What Commander Would Look Like in 1994 | We Try Commander Decks From 30 Years Ago
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2023
- We invited Mythic Invitational Champion Andrea Mengucci and his amazing collection of Alpha and Beta cards to play Commander as it would have looked like in 1994 had it already been around - no Rhystic Study, no Cyclonic Rift and no ban list...
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@@Graatand As we said in the beginning of the video ;) we took out all our Ante cards
I feel like half your commander games are a Fuck you to commander players?
Made me sad that you guys didnt just put a blanket over the cards on the table and played sherezade game with the cameras there.
I'm taking a guess at Andrea's list: All power 9 and the beta lands necesary to cast them :D. I hope Andrea had some security with him, because his deck was probably more expensive than a house lol.
Andrea's reaction to commander having the deals strategy was so funny 😂😂
was about to make this comment, that was hilarious XD
That was amazing LOL
i agree with andrea's reaction! i am a but competitive and have a hard time wrapping my head around casual commander (i've never actually played it myself, only watched content, so this is spoken without practical experience)
"So in Commander, you just... don't make the right choice?"
i just got to this part today- i am watching it in 5-10 minute chunks. mengucci trying to wrap his head around it just gets better and better! i would suck at commander- i am bad at politics and worse at making sub-par plays on purpose, though i am great at the accidental punt
I loved watching Mengu show off his perfect chaos orb technique
It was funny watching them convert to metric in real time. Like of course they don't think about feet and inches ever, that's basically just Americans
@@violet_broregardeI laughed quite hard at this.
didnt they used to tear it up into pieces and every bit that touched a permament counted as destorying it
@@md-sl1iothat’s chaos confetti
Dude. Really. That was SO smooth
Props to the editor for changing the name of Svyelunite Temple as Thoralf desperately tries to pronounce it, lol.
Thank you so much! Putting in those tiny jokes is my favorite part.
@@fehlbrandschweleit was awesome. Thank you! Keep up the amazing work!
Andrea is just another member of the channel to me at this point, love seeing him with the crew
And he is absolutely adorable :)
@@devononair he looks and sounds like the stereotypical nerd
@@Asageun like what hollywood directors think a nerd looks and sounds like*
Carl leading off with the instantaneous "I'm playing turbofog" got a huge laugh out of me after the pauper video. Man likes his cards that do nothing.
Watching Carl play turbofog gives me life
If they do nothing, EVERYTHING does nothing! MWAHAHAHA! ^_^
no, they dont do nothing... they do *nothing*.
@@michaelpsmith3861 Magic at it's best. When “NOTHING” is done.
Thoralf’s reaction to “has anyone ever played with Shaharazad?” was unexpectedly cool, like a line from an 80’s action movie
I feel robbed that we did not get to see the subgame.
He's seen some shit, man.
There's a great Shaharazad moment from LoadingReadyRun's Unstable Pre-prerelease, but that's the only other time I've seen one played.
@@85mcarnold THIS! Why not just move the cards in play to the side in a pile and play on the table?
@@LeiskaLeinonenbecause then it's not a ~sub~ game! 😂😂
Of course Mengu has a strat for using Chaos Orb to make it work almost perfectly lmao
That's one of the wide known strategy in old school format.
@@BresciGaetanowhich makes it still a very unknown strategy
Andrea being confused at commander players not playing optimally and then deciding that Jamin should dedicate his whole life to him if he spared him was sure something lol
lmao he minmaxed the metagame instantly
The old chaos orb technique was so sick to watch.
The real old technique was to rip your chaos orb into confetti and then wrath you opponents entire board
@turbobrew and afterwards you are disqualified by the judge because you (probably) have less then the minimum number of cards in the deck 😂
I really would love to have seen anything like this. The good, old, weird times of magic.
This video was so much fun, Andrea's reactions to remembering he had power in his deck and the politics of edh, chaos orb dropping, awful cards, brutal cards, and a goddamn subgame of magic UNDER THE TABLE?? You really went far and beyond with this one!!! Loved every minute of it, you really surprise us with every upload!!
I'm really happy you enjoyed it :) we'd been talking about doing this one for a really long time! It took a lot of time to make it happen. Thank you for your kind comment 🙏
@@CardmarketMagic I second this compliment. This is amazing content, thank you for doing this! Keep it up.
"Another question about commander: My Library of Alexandria was clearly the right choice. In commander, you just don't make the right choice?" - Andrea Mengucci
Watching Andrea play commander is so funny, im sure he'd prefer to play some 60 card formats but setting like this every now and again is fun. Alternatively, maybe play some cedh with him
This is so sick. I saw the Shaharazard get played, and knew why the video was so long. Then you guys skipped through the sub game 😂
I thought the same thing
the brief discussion of how many centimeters a foot converts to for the chaos orb flip was wonderful
4/5 the way through the video: I think as much hassle as Sheharazade was, it had a major impact on the game, as it's keeping Carl entirely out of any sort of crisis point. He is feeling NO pressure, and a large part of that is being more than twice everyone else's health... I'll be interested to see how this all plays out!
27:35 Spell blast isn't "Unless it's controller pays X"
Instead, X is the mana value of the countered spell
He could only put 1 in X, so he couldn't counter disenchant
That’s how you know they played 99.99% correct
Must have got his Spell Blast and Power SInk mixed up
I noticed it and came here looking for this comment.
Well, this is exactly what went down in 1994, so.
I love when they get Andrea on he is so nice and has a fun personality and immense magic knowledge
Fun fact, actually, you do get your commander in a subgame. Apparently there are rules for this.
You can, but if you had it on the board in the main game, it's now gone
Are there? Because Shahrazad was banned pretty early. The commander isn't in your deck, so I'd assume since you're playing the remainder of the deck (while your commander is in the command zone), you would not get your commander.
However... since your commander is chosen _from_ your deck at the start of the game, I would say you should get to choose any other valid legendary creature from your deck.
@@KingBobXVI You assume incorrectly. I looked at the rules, and they do indeed mention the scenario. MTG still keeps rules around cards it has banned up to date.
even the ones it has banned in all formats for power-level reasons...@@laurelkeeper
In 2004, this is 1994. They would be playing a subgame of magic with the rest of the deck not a game of edh. you can't cast him(if so). If they just decided to let the commanders be played in the subgame the downside would be shuffling the commander back into the deck since it was used in the subgame since would be old rules for commander it goes in the deck.
I think the best way to resolve Sharazad is to pick up everyone's decks and put a new playmat over the top of the main game.
Tablecloths work great for this, used to have to do this all the time until everyone in the entire MTG community made a gentleman's agreement to stop playing that damn card...
I think the best way is to just pick up a random board game and play that instead of a secondary mtg game.
"I got king of tokyo guys, I'm playing the penguim"
@@alicepbg2042 judge! The card says "play a subgame of Magic"
Old School 93/94 is life. Really appreciate you folks bringing some more highlight to this awesome format.
This is by far my favorite format.
Feels like playing classic hearthstone but all the decks cost thousands of dollars, some cards literally impossible to aquire since they are over 25 years old and the cardpool is so small that the format has been solved for years. its fun to try out with proxy cards but after like 3 games it gets boring really quickly
@@ich3730White weeny costs pennies compared to some decks and it's a tier 1 deck with no doubt.
The format Is huge and allows for tons of combos and synergies but almost no card is overpowered in that context. Best thing you gona do with a timewalk Is attacking twice with your Serra.
It's actually a pretty funny format if you take it not as much competitively. Ofc a huge part Is played by the nostalgia factor, but if It wasn't a funny game even back then Magic would have never been the best card game ever.
P.s. Earthstone Is full of creatures with tons of abilities like etbs and ltbs triggers and permanent effects. Does It feel more like old or new school magic? Be honest.
@@BresciGaetano I don't think you are gonna get a reaction, but I agree with you. Heartstone does not play like old school magic at all. All cards can be aquired. The format isn't fixed (it isn't even 'one' format) and it doesn't get dull after 3 games. User Ich3730 has the right to his own opinion, but it is nothing more than that.
best game play. its still complex but a lot more approachable. so cool
Watching Andrea flip that chaos orb was amazing
There's something special about the way cards looked from those old days, and it isn't just the retro frames. There's something about older fantasy art that's just special, and feels so different from modern art styles.
This was a lot of fun! :D
Maybe Dominaria looks like comic books because it is a fantasy realm of the players on Earth, who back then were godlike planeswalkers.
It's definitely special.....E-specially bad that is. Old art all looks like hot garbage.
Andrea showing his Chaos Orb tecnique was AWESOME!!!!!! Andrea is the best human being ever and we need to see him in more videos
Thank you for remembering the motto 🙏
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@@AndreaMenguccican you please play a real game of casual Commander here and record it? I want to see your mind get blown over and over!
Then you can play a game of cEDH after
As someone who grew up with some of these cards this is such a treat! Gotta love how you pay tribute to the roots of Magic!
I love how that entire Shaharazad subgame was basically the cartoon trope of characters fighting in a giant cloud of dust until somehow someone wins.
I love that the turn one felt like a normal commander game
Honestly my favorite commander video I've ever seen. So cool seeing all old cards in a context they were never meant for.
I’ve been playing for just about 7 years and this feels more like the first commander game I ever played than any commander deck you see today…
“We’re in Berlin, everything’s a poly artifact.” 😂 Never change Thoralf!
This reminds me so much of our oldschool casual rounds 25 years ago. The only things missing are the full and empty beer bottles, a full ashtray and bags of chips. Love this content
Please do a game where you each of you make 10 custom cards and make a deck around them. It could be any format I just really want to see it.
That Sound awesome ngl
please do this this is an amazing idea
Oh shit yes this is a cool idea.
There has to be a reasonable limit on the custom cards tho. No "Zero Mana Instant, split second, you win the game".
@@JonaxII An easy solution is for them to make custom cards that the other players have to put in their deck. :)
It's always great to see Mengu on the channel :)
I love the energy of you all. This is my favorite magic related channel by far
A++ Thumbnail. The old Mengu in particular looks so perfect.
thanks for all the incredible content. shouts out to the editor, making a chaotic classic commander game extremely viewable. y'all rule.
This was fantastic. It felt like watching a full feature Movie, with plot twists, character progression and everything a good film needs.
Also these old cards have some sick designs, that the new and slick ones just can't replicate. Very happy to have seen them in action, these historic and the more oddball decks/matches are my favourite content on this channel^^
Shoutout to the Editor aswell, could perfectly follow everything and small details like the name changing when Thoralf tries to pronounce Svyelunite Temple or the little animation when Chaos Orb lands on the board are just 10/10 touches to the video :-D
It's absolutely fascinating to watch this video and see how slow old magic was even though there were so many overpowered cards back in the day. The payoff for having mana was very weak back in the day, and so ramping so much didn't matter as much back in the day.
The moment when Andrea reads the card and thinks he's about to die to mana burn was one of the funniest moments I've ever seen in a Mtg video
loved Andrea's use of coins for tokens. I think it looked really cool! maybe if all tokens were coins it would've seemed cluttered but those few coins well spaced on the board added a real cool retro jank magic feel to it :)
It's pretty impressive that Mengu managed to put this deck together just flicking through his binder..
Mengu is correct: Michael Loconto did indeed play two copies of Fountain of Youth in his 1996 PT1 winning deck.
This was such a great one! Wow! All the twists and turns! And it was so nice how Andrea didn't know about the commander deals and was trying abide by the "commander rules" 😆 I've been in my edh bubble for so long that I didn't even think about the fact how weird the deals must look to Magic players who don't know much about commander 😄
the amount of editing and production value that went into this is insane. well done, super entertaining!
This is fantastic. You folks continue to amaze me with the quality of your videos and your creativity. Super fun to watch :)
Overflowing with nostalgia!
I think Andrea would really enjoy cEDH due to his competitive background.
I guess we just saw what he spent that $250000+ of winnings on....
Okay, but can we talk about how beautiful Thoralf's voice is at 29:46 ?
been watching your videos for some time now, and only ten minutes in this is already gearing up to be one of my favorites! the channel just keeps getting better :D would love to see more of these old school commander games!
Its just amazing seeing all those old dream cards in play and the fun you can have with them
More than one hour video commander? What a good day it is! 🎉
I love these long videos
We also enjoy getting more Jamin "bad" jokes :D
This was one of my favorite videos! Glad to see Mengu playing commander!
Stumbled onto this channel when there were like 10 videos and the chemistry and joy of everyone on this channel is what keeps me coming back again and again. It’s infectious fun and that’s what first brought me into the game of magic. Sometimes the competitiveness can make you forget that but I’m reminded in the beauty of this game with each of your videos. Thank you guys for the content!
So for Throne of Bone, "successfully cast" explicitly means that the spell it is *not* countered, so it wouldn't work together with Lifeforce.
You have to rely on the old distinction between instants and interrupts for this one to really make sense in terms of timing. It's sort of like there being a separate stack that comes into existence whenever a spell is cast in which only interrupts can be played and which then disappears, at which point the spell is "successfully cast" and can be responded to with instants or else resolve.
The old flow charts of the stack.
I was thinking the same thing, also if there is no stack, how do you counter a spell?
@user-rh4uw5ox4s The "stack" was very different and counter spells and the like were interrupts which were faster than instants or abilities (unless otherwise noted).
Chaos orb: “height of at least one foot”
Non-Americans: “what the hell is a foot?”
One guy's foot size.
@@darkrexkigntstone8773Whose?
This was great seeing some of the first cards I ever played with being used in Commander format!
I must applaud the great visual aids and old border designs for all of the overlays. Looking awesome!
"i will like you to not counter my next black spell" plays diabolic tutor(a black spell)....several turns later plays Nicol Bolas "your still obliged to not counter because this is my next black spell".
yall keep stepping it up every time 🔥
This was an amazing video. The 4 of you have such amazing synergy together.
Andrea learning about commander politics, Shahrazad, mass land destruction, so many awesome older cards and you all looking like you had an amazing time! Couldn't ask for more, this was so much fun!
Definitely need more commander with Mengu!!!
8 minutes in and Andrea already flexing flipping orbs properly and having Beta lands.
You guys have really cornered the market on interesting commander gameplays! I love it!
Thank you so much for this amazing content! You are all amazing players but better, amazing friends. Always love and laughter in your lives and cheers :)
I'm happy you enjoyed watching this game! We had so much fun playing it :D
Mengu playing Commander, do my eyes deceive me??
So looking forward to watching this. I'm not generally a fan of Commander, but the way you put twists on each of your Commander videos, the slick editing, and the fun banter make these so easy to watch and enjoy :) Must also have something to do with all you guys being so damn likeable lol
Keep up the fantastic work guys :)
Thank you :) that's so very kind of you to say! I truly hope you enjoy the video!
This was by far the most enjoyable game of commander I have watched in a long while! Thanks Guys!!!
You guys remind me of having fun playing magic with my friends when we were all younger. Good laughs, friends gathering over magic. Seeing cards we had never seen as one of us shows off their new spell with a gleeful smile as he knows his 3 person meta has 3 green players and he just traded for an acid rain last week In preperation .
It has been years since I've moved to a small town and so do not have access to play at FNM, we do not even have a game store in town to find people to play with.
Getting to feel the nostalgia and being reminded about the feels was a very special gift. Thank you all. Your friendship is heartwarming and means more then you might know to a lonely old exiled planeswalker .
❤
The shaharzad resolve was fantastic
andrea illigally cast his commander the first time wow what a pro
He also skipped out on 3 mana burn at 58:06
This was one of the best commander games I've seen in a while! Good stuff!
I also like how Karakas basically was a non-factor and would've been a non-factor too even if played earlier.
Love that cardmarket puts out so much unique content. Keep it up!
Can you guys please make a video of teaching Andrea about Commander by playing a normal game of casual Commander with him, and let us watch his mind get blown over and over? Please?
And then maybe a cEDH game, where he'll be in his element but the stack will be crazy for him
Isn't this video that video? 😅
@@CardmarketMagica normal game, though
@@CardmarketMagicyou listened!! Thank you!!!🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
@joedoe7572 oooh I'm sorry to tell you that the upcoming commander game will not be with Andrea 😅 he doesn't like commander. The upcoming videos will be with Tomer from MTG Goldfish. It's unlikely for us to ever do another EDH game with Andrea, although he will be back on the channel soon for other things :)
Thank y’all so much for making these awesome videos, they are great quality and have great ideas.
I do have a fairly serious question for you guys, notably: Do you guys still have fun just playing Magic? In my dreams I want to make Magic my career in some fashion, but a big concern of mine is that by being a part of it for your job creates hostility towards it, and I really don’t want to stop loving this game.
As a matter of fact, we still do :) We draft off camera and play in local tournaments all the time! I do believe streaming might normalize the fun out of it, but I cannot confirm that as I have never streamed.
That freaking thumbnail! 😂 I love you guys. Keep up the amazing content!
That was a lot of fun! What a crazy game. Really wasn't expecting it to end that way. Lol.
WOW, I'm only 20 minutes in, but the sheer dedication of (spoilers below...)
... Actually resolving a Shahrazad and going through with it by playing the game under the table is amazing! Too bad we got all of it fast-forwarded, but I suppose the video is long enough as it is and the camera-problem for sure is a thing.
As a fellow back-pain experiencer, I want to thank all of you for your service!
I'm at 19 lol
Did they really played?
@@MegaRamonBatistadon't think so
I'd love to see three of these decks against a single precon arch nemesis style and see who wins.
Genius😂
So happy to see Juzam Djinn being played! Sadly didn't show its true power of being played on turn 1 and dominating :)
Another great original video!!
This was very fun! Ironically, it even wasn't that long as far as Commander play videos go, haha
Nice to see Andrea & his cute Italian accent 😀
Sharazad isn't a good idea at the best of times, let alone in commander. And then they all decided to climb under the table 😂 I'm quite curious how that game played out though
A rare occasion: Andrea Mengucci isn't wearing the most notable Glasses in the room
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This was so incredible. I have no words for the amazing ness of this game
1:30 - CARL! WHERE DID YOU GO!?! I CAN'T SEE YOU WITH ALL THIS FOG! hahaha
How does this channel not have 1 billion subscribers. This group of creators are the best on all of UA-cam no cap.
Spoiler......
The guy with at least 6 of the Power 9 in his deck won? I'm shocked!
But also, I loved watching this. There were dozens of mistakes but I don't even care. More, please!
So good to watch. I wish that you guys could do more videos with old magic games because it's just way more fun, very nostalgic and with reserve list cards that can provide crazy combos or crazy shenanigans, it can teach new players what Magic is really: a metal, highly strategic or a totally goofy fun game.
Hah, just the year i was born in. Great to see some cards from that time :D (and also, preemtive Like, for seing Jamins face in first 0.1s of vid). And as always, keep up the lovely work guys
Mengu learning commander politics is so funny
Wait! After the subgame Carl says: "this will tell you a tin bit about my strategy." You did not play a subgame at all . Did you? If Carl has won the sub game under the table, they should be very familiar with his strategy.
My strategy is not having a strategy 😎
They mistakenly didn't bring their uncast commanders along, so it ~could~ be that they didn't see it all 🧐
I always wondered how such a game would look... You've shown me and it was epic, entertaining and funny! Thank you. Please do this again, I'm sure you guys can come up with some more decks and different combos.
I'm thrilled that you enjoyed it :D it was a blast to make. We'll think about doing it again next time Andrea comes around :)
I have given up on commander with all the new cards constantly beeing released.
But seeing these beautiful old cards was Awesome! ❤
1:17:52 If only Carl had taken 2 more damage to prevent the discard from Hypnotic Specter, Alladin's Ring would have been a windmill slam with his drawn land!
Edit: nevermind seeing Andrea's next turn 😂😅
Carl: You can't kill me in 3 turns! This is 1994 magic!
Andrea: Fair enough, I'll just play this 2-card infinite mana combo and tutor for any card in my deck then
Thoralf did Carl very dirty asking for a reprieve from countering to immediately destroy his lands on the from the tutor. I could feel grains, subtle grains, of sincere salt coming from Carl and Jamin after that. He is a pro player but making a commander style deal and then doing a land destruction spell from that deal is bad manners.
Felt that too lol. Jamin wasn't having the best time. Thoralf is like...a really really good player. It's easy to forget. In politics as well.
@@CuShorts Tuffle is absolutely one of the best players on the cast, in the main cast of everyone he is the absolute best, Mengucci vs Tuffle is too close to call, I just mean that if someone asked me for the deal then did a one sided mass land destruction on me I would probably never do a deal with them again and tunnel them in future games. It wasn't against the deal, but it was against the spirit of the deal of giving a reprieve. Bad manners, and in future multiplayer games I am certain it will not be a positive for him. He did a big move in one game, but I will guarantee if I played against him in a 4 player game I would not forget that move for a long time. He basically assured himself Karma in the long run.
He made up for it by ithing the serra angel at least
Mangucci knowing the strategy to the chaos flip was the best knowledge i didn't know i needed! XD
As someone who loves watching Old School magic...this was an AMAZINGLY fun game! Do more like this!
Sixth
Yes! 🥳
This was awesome...the pure chaos of it 😂 can we have a repeat with Frank, I feel he would have some great insights into these oldschool card 😁
Yeeeesssss Turbo Foooooog!!!
I've been trying so hard to get you a TF to play in those deck submission videos Carl, epic to see one here again!
Maybe one day I'll get to play your submitted TF deck :D
This is the best episode you guys have ever made!