Such an awesome host that can't seem to pronounce R's to save his life. They are finishing their dewiberations and he's cuwious to see if they fooled them.
There wasn't much code there.....it was pretty much telling everyone how they did the trick. He got much better at it 1 or 2 seasons later when they tried to be gentler with the magicians.
@@SDesWriter The early seasons basically had them just referring to the magicians terms for techniques or overly referring to props. The later seasons had them able to use more liberal language. I'm sure a decent part of it is that the talent on stage got used to being debunked in general terms without requiring them to just spell out how the person did something. A lot of the early acts would act like they didn't use X technique repeatedly before Teller goes on stage to whisper to them just how they used said technique therefore they were busted.
Penn and Teller did a trick like this in vegas one time and I was the person who the book stopped on...Teller came and spoke to me and I was so scared I almost cried. I just wanted to watch a show lmao I didn't think I'd be part of it.
@adam nelson while I know you're just trolling or trying to be funny, what you said is exactly why it would great to see them try and fool each other. It be be very difficult and almost impossible to do but great if it could be done
An easy, slightly cheap joke that banks on people knowing about twilight, but never bothered to read Dracula. it works, I guess, but a huge disservice to Dracula. I recommend people read it. Carmilla as well.
The pen or the post-it pad transmitted the page number written to the tablet concealed in the writing pad. Notice how at 4:35 he flips several pages over on the cover side, while the distraction of talking to Sam is happening. and is very intent on writing down the "prediction", and at 4:59 there's only the cover and no extra pages.
I dont know whether to be appreciative of the knowledge and passivefying my curiosity or annoyed for ruining how this trick and multiple others like this are done.
And I thought that I am the only one who did not understand the explanation 🤔 now you are telling that they are talking using "a code" which means guys know that P&T know how the trick was done, but the audience doesn't 🤯
@@Espiritu_Santu Haha yes! Penn uses certain words or "clues" in his feedback that the magician (usually) can pick up on because they have the contextual knowledge we don't. It's not like a whole official magician's language or anything -- Penn is just making it up on the spot.
@@TheCentaury I had the feeling Penn was hinting at Google but I have no clue in which way that would've helped them. But the combination of "Magnifying glass" and "It wasn't possible 15 years ago (Google was founded 15 years prior to this episode) made me think directly of Google. I'm probably in the wrong though :)
Penn and Teller had a similar trick. Several, perhaps 6, "normal" books that all had 1 line jokes were passed through the audience. Penn stopped the passing of the books after all of them had been through several hands. He then asked each person holding a book to find a joke they felt a connection with. He then selected one of the people holding a book and after several of questions Penn was able to identify the joke the person selected. He did this with 3 of the books...not all of them. It's as if he memorized the books and is very good at reading people.
Most comments suggest methods too complicated for a nice trick. I agree that the (special, recently produced) PEN was the key word and Penn mentioned the magnifying glass just as a misdirection. Also pay attention that the word ('voyage') could be found in any of the 6 books, all of them classics, and that the books were not examined... But I would do the same trick in yet a simpler way. "The gentleman behind you" would be my assistant, ready to switch the folded note.
penn gave some obvious clues for the reveals ,the magnifying glass , means the searching sign at the top of the menu, only the 10 last years we've got the smartphones , to read documents. we have the same pen , means the swami gimmick.
1. the sold retail version needs a phone to work 2. this only works with 12 or so books. it does not work with any book 3. the high tech impression pad used here is an addition and isn't part of the sold version
The pen was a "track pen". The kind of pen that connects to your computer and converts hand writing into a word document. People use them in class because sometimes it's faster than typing. He wrote his prediction and it sent what he was writing to a computer.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 In Spidey's "Notebook" (embedded like the rockhammer in Shawshank spoiler alert) is a tablet device that shows what Patrick wrote down using the special pen Joel gave him. Once Sam picks the book, Spidey punches in the number of the book she chose, and they have a database 1200 rows long (6 books times 200 possible numbers Patrick could have written) that spits out the corresponding dictionary entry, which Spidey then writes on the back of his "prediction" sheet, which already had "Dictionary" written across the front. Once you realize we have the pen technology, the trick is quite simple. But the presentation was a lot of fun.
I love when famous people make their own youtube channel and upload videos. *subscribed*. Magic tricks are very neat. Even though I love math, I'm not too fond of math based tricks. However, I love the creativity involved in all magic tricks. All magic is considered performance art, so a performance can even make bad tricks be incredibly entertaining. I am just posting generalized stuff, not related to this video, because it inspired me to share my appreciation for all magicians. Thanks Joel Meyers & Spidey! You two are awesome!
So I've binge-watched enough Fool Us episodes over the last couple weeks now to know exactly what was going to happen when Penn started with, "Boy".... haha, talk about a *tell*!!
I wonder what spidey was going to say "the second...something" It was a nice trick, Penn and Teller despite only doing "simple" tricks themselves are very knowledgeable about magic stuff, it's impressive.
Hey there. I actually did say it, but they cut it to keep the episode short. Penn and Teller do an amazing trick with books in their show so i said "we just wanted to do the second best book trick done on this stage by two guys"... :)
Anyone notice how long it took him to 'write' dictionary, how he 'wrote' 363 1-1 on the back without ever turning the page, and the awkwardness of stuffing the paper into the envelope?
the trick could have been possible at a time in history when the printde books were present, which would be centuries ago. However, the trick was not possible until maybe a couple of decades ago. The pen was a special equipment that probably had a mini computer and a touch device to trace the page number written and find out the word from the book (numbered 3 here) and map in to the dictionary. Soft copies of the book and dictionary and a search algo are enough to pull this off.
Why is that even necessary? Isn't the page number forced (in the sense that after folding & unfolding there may be another number on it because the participants never exchanged the number orally)? And then all you need is to know for each book the first words on your desired page....
It is a combonation of dissappearing ink, heat sensetive ink, and altered books. The posted note already had a number writen on the back. The pen they gave the audience member to write with was dissappearing ink. The word "Dictionary" was what he wrote while on stage. The "363-1-1" was writen on the back before hand with heat sensetive ink. Laying the whole envelope down on top of the magnafing glass actives the ink and makes the number appear. They allow the posted note to be passsed around until it gets handed to what they believe is a gulliable person. That person unfolding the note does not realize the number is actually on the back of the note not the front. That number just being as an example is 176. Each of the six books has a doctored up page where the first major big word is "voyage". That is why Penn used the Gutenberg's press reference, and the 10 to 15 year reference. They printed up their own books, quite possibly made their own inks, and heavily relied on the fact that reading from a printed book has declined in the past 10 to 15 years.
i think the pen records the number, then they internet request (project gutenberg) robinson crusoe and that page number and get the first few words, then they pick the longest one and do another internet request for the location of that word in the dictionary.
I could be wrong just a guess ! Unlike a mentalist ... but I believe the “pen” is actually just a reference to person #1 (guy with the orange shirt ) and the “mag..glass “ is a reference to person #3 which is penn. so I believe penn was in on the trick believe it or not .. this that’s why penn says I also have a magnifying glass (when I do some tricks) or a person that’s in on the trick , as so does teller have a pen , remember in the beginning of pens speech he says something like oh boy I love duos (hint hint)
That's Robinson, the elder brother of Enrico Caruso (the famous Italian operatic tenor), who was marooned on an island. You may have read the book "Robinson Caruso" by Daniel Dafoe, cousin of Willem Dafoe (American actor). (Just kidding. It was Daniel Defoe who wrote the book "Robinson Crusoe". Enrico Caruso and Willem Dafoe are innocent bystanders.)
+terminat1 I think you miss understand what I ment by enjoyment. I ment it in a positive way as in if it would have been someone without an impediment then I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much. It added something different and special to his performance. Also you being quick to hostilities and slow to understanding and simple question as to what I ment, like an adult, shows you're actually the one that needs to grow up.
The Gutenburg Project. All the books they used can be downloaded free, copyright free. And edited and self-published. I think Voyage was a force. But that's just my gut feeling, I don't understand the reference to magnifying glass by Penn (unless it was just a red herring), but I do understand the pen reference. Of course, I could be completely wrong. Still mystifying. Thanks for the upload. :)
@@honovic I don't see how that is relevant to the trick. The pen explains everything. I believe saying "the magnifying glass and the pen" was just a red herring so as not to draw too much attention to the pen... I could be wrong though!
Melanie Maguire I figured the search was to either have a 3rd person look at that page once the book was selected, or to look up where in the dictionary it would be found - assuming the page number/word was not forced. If not a red herring, maybe just covering his bases when referencing methods.
@@honovic It could be. My theory was that all 6 books were the same text (possibly repeated chunks that didn't give away which book they were from). This couldn't have been (easily) done 20 years ago without the gutenberg press and selfpublishing. The page number was a force - Patrick's page number was written in disappearing ink. Which certainly exists. Their forced page number was written in appearing ink - this is the weak part of my theory - is there such a thing as appearing ink? From then on everything is easy. But maybe the "person offstage looking it up" *is* the solution? But he wouldn't need to digitally search - just a copy of the book(s) and the dictionary... ???
So...prolly the ink(something along the lines of disappearing after a while)? with a number already written on the back of the paper(with a normal type of ink). Could be the whole reason to why they kept asking to pass the paper along. Narrows it down to a whole lot when you already have 6 books with selected(forced) amount of words. Dictionary is just dictionary. Magnifying glass + light = heat. Like receipts, the print goes away after a while, which is why you take a photocopy of it if you're planning on getting a refund on stuff(At least that's how we practice it in Sydney).
+Azim Petra (AbyssPetra) It's not like receipts fade instantly, it would take a minimum of months if you're leaving it sitting out just for it to fade beyond being readable. And 90% of the time if you need a refund for something it's going to be within a few weeks after getting it, unless it's like a christmas present you bought a good amount of time ahead of time, and even in that case there'd be almost no chance of the receipt fading beyond usability unless you pour coffee or something on it, leave it in your wallet or a folder and you'll be fine.
Months? If you leave it out, sure. If you put it somewhere hot, though, not so much. It's not the light that does it, but the heat. I learned that the hard way by leaving a rather crucial receipt under my laptop.
When the black suit brother is "writting his predictions" he pulls out the notebook where the guy originally put his number and did that thing with the pencil to see what it was, all the other stalling was so they could figure the word out
I don't know why so many people hate Ross. I think he's a great host who knows how to have a smooth conversation with the guests. Allison is just so awkward all the time
@@Heartofitall9691when he said it could only have been done in the last 10-15 yrs I immediately thought it must mean he has a phone or iPad with digital copies of all the books hidden in his notebook.
They never let anybody check the book to make sure it consisted of different pages so it was never setup to impress me. The magician has to make it clear that their sleeves are empty before they materialize an object otherwise it's not interesting.
Random Ashe you’re 100% right. When performing for any audience showing the books is essential. But not when performing for penn and teller. We wanted them to think the books were gimmicked. They saw past it.
I'm less perplexed by whatever technojiggery this trick uses and more baffled about why it involved a blatant swami (the writing on the back bit, obviously done after it was removed from the envelope.) If they had a fancy way to determine what the pen wrote, this was a fairly lame trick compared to what they could have done. I also can't quite shake the feeling the books are gimmicked--I mean really, if you had a pen that could record what it wrote why wouldn't you simply ask someone to write anything down? There are too many curious things about this trick. It makes it hard to reason about what's really going on. My best guess is they were trying to fool Penn and Teller into thinking they were using a different technique by including multiple unnecessary steps.
internet requests robinson crusoe page number and gets the first few words, the longest is chosen and an internet request for the location in the dictionary
So if there was something about the pen that Patrick used, it sounds like the number Sam saw on the paper was pre-selected by the duo, and was not the same number that Patrick actually wrote down. That puts the page number in their control. Now all they have to do is let Sam pick from one of six different pre-selected books containing the word "voyage" near the top of that page number, write the word "dictionary" on a piece of paper, and put it in an envelope. Am I close?
Many ways this could have been done including 4:00 "And just pass it to the person behind you, the gentlemen behind you" and we never see his hands after that. Or something as simple as special paper and ink ("write it down right there IN the circle"). Good stuff.
I haven't seen anyone else in the comments explain the Rossy trick. I think the book is specially printed by them to have every left-hand ("verso") page identical. So no matter where the magician stops, the first word will be "curiously." Pages are turning too fast for Ross to notice.
Note that the guy with the big notepad flips somewhere to the middle and pretends to write, but when they cut back to him he tears out the first sheet.
@Iain Kerr Yeah, true. But (at least it was 4 years ago already like that) the person is actually random. The trick is shown and explained ahead of time to a jury.
i bet that the note book they used has some sorts of tablet or phone where these books are stored in it. all they did was to open the note book. use the tablet or phone to find the book and page number that they know from before (The guy in the beginning in red t shirt picked it) and to memorize the first 1-3 lines and and asked the girl about the world that he came up with the first letter for, So she agreed to it and directly went to the word he was refereeing to. also while he other guy was talking to the girl, he tolled the other one to go and do his prediction which gave him enough time to do his search. after finding the word he wanted from the book. all he had to do was to put in in one of those dictionary software that come with some dictionary book and search for it and find the coordinates. Tada simplessss
Very cool trick and I only was able to figure it out based on what Penn and Teller said. Not sure if I would of been able to figure it out otherwise. Cheers
The number Patrick writes transfers to the next post it note underneath. The rest I believe has to do with memorizing approximately 1200 words and their dictionary location. If the books are fake, the it should be possible to memorize a specifically set of words, and the trick gets easier since he knows the exact page to begin with. Not sure what Penn meant by the fact the trick wasn't possible 15 years ago, since ink transfer or whatever type of writing quirk was used here probably existed years ago. Or maybe I'm wrong about all of it.
All the books they chose are public domain and can be found online in html format on the Project Gutenberg website (which Penn called The Gutenberg Press), which was formatted in the early 2000s making it very easy to look up any text in those books. That's also why Penn mentioned the magnifying glass (a reference to the search function, or ctrl+f) Penn was also familiar with the pen they gave the volunteer and something about that pen allows the magicians to know the page number. Once they know the page number an off-stage assistant (or perhaps as many as 6 assistants, one for each book) quickly uses the Gutenberg text documents to turn to that page on each of the books. Once the book is selected the assistant reads out the first biggest word on that page to the magicians through an earpiece. The same text document search function can also be used to quickly find the location of the chosen word in the dictionary. Penn really gave away the whole the trick with his coded speak.
I'm usually not the best at guessing how someone does there magic, but this one I think I know. One out of six books are indeed selected at random by the lady in the audience. However, the page numbers on the book is all the same, with the exception of the few beginning pages and ending pages. The book has same info over and over on that page(s) so all the magician has to do is remember an array of words of what it could be. The array of words is reduced by probability because most people will select the left hand side. The magician will more less always be guess right. Now if you really want to derail the magician's act as the volunteer, you would select the first or second page of the book.
The girl was holding the book, if it was rigged somehow she would've seen it.. It's technology - I'm guessing the pen and pad the guy wrote the page number on, sent the info to the guy with the large notebook (easy to hide a smartphone/tablet there) so he new the page number. and with the book title, which was not a secret, it's not hard to find out the word and where its in the dictionary.
Patrick and the chick could be plants, but the audio doesn't mean they're mic'd. Booms could give the same clarity. The pad is on the first page (some comments say it's in the middle... It's not), dude never gave the pen or pad back. The pen and magnifying glass could have simply come with a kit, letting Penn know more about their set-up.
It's misdirection. He knows the word after Sam picks the book. Knowing the word allows him to bring the audience's anticipation up ("Is there a V in it? Yes.) then bring the expectations back down ("Is there a T? No."), which then segues into the comedic "guesstimate" patter before the big reveal. It's really good psychology that makes what could be a 45 second trick into a 3 minute piece of entertainment.
This is either a new technology trick or an old trick or a mixture of both. We didn't get to see what page Patrick wrote and no confirmation from him if it is indeed the page number he wrote. So the page number Sam saw is already prepared by the magician which can be done in a lot of ways. Only Patrick can debunked the whole act but P&T already knew the trick that's why he uses the magnifying glass and pen for a comparison.
legend says that patrick is still standing to this day....
+CzarAice01 Lol
+CzarAice01 lolllllll
+CzarAice01 NO! THIS IS PATRICK
Patrick, the name of the restaurant is the Krusty Krab... : /
hahahhahahaha genious
"one specializing in sleight of hand, and the other is a mentalist. Together, they're slightly mental" LMFAO!! John was such an awesome host.
SorrowfulM // MapleStory Veteran The magicians gave him that joke lol are you serious
SorrowfulM // MapleStory Veteran one guy specializes in slight of hand, the other*
Such an awesome host that can't seem to pronounce R's to save his life. They are finishing their dewiberations and he's cuwious to see if they fooled them.
To be fair, it's not like either of them write what they say.
Mark the time.
It's really clever how Penn explains the trick in code but still makes it funny for the audience. It's like poetry.
That's why they're legends!
It seems to me that there were something in the pen🤔 but I can't say for sure, I'm not a magician
There wasn't much code there.....it was pretty much telling everyone how they did the trick. He got much better at it 1 or 2 seasons later when they tried to be gentler with the magicians.
@@SDesWriter The early seasons basically had them just referring to the magicians terms for techniques or overly referring to props. The later seasons had them able to use more liberal language. I'm sure a decent part of it is that the talent on stage got used to being debunked in general terms without requiring them to just spell out how the person did something. A lot of the early acts would act like they didn't use X technique repeatedly before Teller goes on stage to whisper to them just how they used said technique therefore they were busted.
Patrick never sat down.
Stubborn ass redhead lookin ass
he is taking full advantage of this moment
legend has it he's still standing there today
@@simshady legend has it that the that meme will be cemented in humans for all of history.
Because he's sad
if penn says "boy" anywhere in his response, they didnt fool them.
That's not true 🤔
lol yes very true
As soon as Penn says 'Boy, I like...' jus know it's figured out 😂
It's Penn's Tell 😜
That thing where you get Spidey to cough up a card while he's talking to someone else is a great twist on street magic.
thanks man
Penn and Teller did a trick like this in vegas one time and I was the person who the book stopped on...Teller came and spoke to me and I was so scared I almost cried. I just wanted to watch a show lmao I didn't think I'd be part of it.
Name checks out.
I want to see penn try to fool teller and vice versa!
^ well still a try is a try...Im sure they'll think of new tricks or variations...would be entertaining and harder on them too
Damn. Adam has some problems
Adam whats up buddy? You tryin to send a message or something? Does daddy have the paddle again? Or did you just use a lot of hard drugs?
adam nelson I just can't believe ur stupidity
@adam nelson while I know you're just trolling or trying to be funny, what you said is exactly why it would great to see them try and fool each other. It be be very difficult and almost impossible to do but great if it could be done
Dracula - " It's like Twilight, but better" well said Joel
Zoeannaart Valkyrie I'm your 100th comment like. Congrats man!
Thank you for reminding us.
Carmilla.. now there's a good story.
It's really not though right? Only thing in common are vampires?
An easy, slightly cheap joke that banks on people knowing about twilight, but never bothered to read Dracula. it works, I guess, but a huge disservice to Dracula.
I recommend people read it. Carmilla as well.
"...Together they are slightly mental..." lmaoo
This line made me actually laugh
Leo Schwartz thats was funny lol
Mark the time.
@@Brainbuster watch the video lmfao
@@ro0b0 So you're saying there's no point to this comment. It's a quote from the video.
Anyone here into D&D? 'Cause I'm starting to think Penn's explanations are in thieves' cant.
The pen or the post-it pad transmitted the page number written to the tablet concealed in the writing pad. Notice how at 4:35 he flips several pages over on the cover side, while the distraction of talking to Sam is happening. and is very intent on writing down the "prediction", and at 4:59 there's only the cover and no extra pages.
I bow before you :)
I don't even think its that complex. The first 'volunteer' is in on it.
@@elihernandez800 They don't allow volunteers/audience members to be in on the trick
@@CarsonNitely agreed but I’ve seen him in another episode and he was picked that time also
I dont know whether to be appreciative of the knowledge and passivefying my curiosity or annoyed for ruining how this trick and multiple others like this are done.
I love the "code" they speak in when they know the trick, so as not to reveal it to their potential future audiences.
And I thought that I am the only one who did not understand the explanation 🤔 now you are telling that they are talking using "a code" which means guys know that P&T know how the trick was done, but the audience doesn't 🤯
@@Espiritu_Santu Haha yes! Penn uses certain words or "clues" in his feedback that the magician (usually) can pick up on because they have the contextual knowledge we don't. It's not like a whole official magician's language or anything -- Penn is just making it up on the spot.
the most important is that the trick wasn't possible 15 years ago ;)
@@TheCentaury I had the feeling Penn was hinting at Google but I have no clue in which way that would've helped them.
But the combination of "Magnifying glass" and "It wasn't possible 15 years ago (Google was founded 15 years prior to this episode) made me think directly of Google.
I'm probably in the wrong though :)
@@kaihocompany I don't think so :D
My favourite parts of these is when u see penn speak in code and the face on the magicians know they didn’t get them. LOVE IT
I love how Patrick didn't sit down for a while. Then he realized it and committed to the awkwardness.
I've watched a few of these and I love the guys use terms that only the performer would understand.
Great entertaining and mysterious act. The dynamic between them is great.
Just finished watching Now You See Me 2 and now I'm on a Penn & Teller binge
MeihanaBee I also watched it before coming here
LoL Just watched it ... right before getting on youtube... 3 years latter.
Penn and Teller had a similar trick. Several, perhaps 6, "normal" books that all had 1 line jokes were passed through the audience. Penn stopped the passing of the books after all of them had been through several hands. He then asked each person holding a book to find a joke they felt a connection with. He then selected one of the people holding a book and after several of questions Penn was able to identify the joke the person selected. He did this with 3 of the books...not all of them. It's as if he memorized the books and is very good at reading people.
God....why did not just post the video link
Maybe there is no video of it? P&T have been doing this a long time.
I love the shade they're throwing at performers like Criss Angel: "Why do all mentalists do this heavy breathing?" Lol!
"Like Twilight but better". That won the whole show for me
That was a really good trick! It's hard to fool a couple masters of the art but they certainly fooled everyone else.
7:20. You may sit now Patrick
This is really neat. I think it is significant that we don’t actually find out the page number... but what a cool trick!
Most comments suggest methods too complicated for a nice trick. I agree that the (special, recently produced) PEN was the key word and Penn mentioned the magnifying glass just as a misdirection. Also pay attention that the word ('voyage') could be found in any of the 6 books, all of them classics, and that the books were not examined... But I would do the same trick in yet a simpler way. "The gentleman behind you" would be my assistant, ready to switch the folded note.
penn gave some obvious clues for the reveals ,the magnifying glass , means the searching sign at the top of the menu, only the 10 last years we've got the smartphones , to read documents. we have the same pen , means the swami gimmick.
Fool Us doesn't allow stooges.
Joel Meyers is coming to perform at my university next week. never heard of this dude til now lol.
came here thinking spider-man was gonna be here performing magic
you two have such great chemistry :D
5:42 - Smart, I like their style of calling out each other.
Wow, skull fedora AND A WALLET CHAIN?
Spidey is a classy man for sure
Some would even say... a man of culture
*trilby
Indiana Jones wears a fedora
Awesome. Great performance
1. the sold retail version needs a phone to work
2. this only works with 12 or so books. it does not work with any book
3. the high tech impression pad used here is an addition and isn't part of the sold version
@Ben Chrisoit What?
Oh, I see. Well it's a sad joke then.
Could you please clarify by what the sold retail version is?
Give them credit for a good stage performance. There's amazing magic out there no one has seen; dare to find it.
is it me only coz i think Jonathan should be in a comedy club i always find him funny
He is great, he has had a chat show in the UK for years.
What, the veteran comedian is funny? How surprising.
Mega envious of your stage style. Very entertaining! You guys owned the stage very well.
TylerScottIllusionist thanks man :) !
The pen was a "track pen". The kind of pen that connects to your computer and converts hand writing into a word document. People use them in class because sometimes it's faster than typing. He wrote his prediction and it sent what he was writing to a computer.
how would that help in any way lmao
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 In Spidey's "Notebook" (embedded like the rockhammer in Shawshank spoiler alert) is a tablet device that shows what Patrick wrote down using the special pen Joel gave him. Once Sam picks the book, Spidey punches in the number of the book she chose, and they have a database 1200 rows long (6 books times 200 possible numbers Patrick could have written) that spits out the corresponding dictionary entry, which Spidey then writes on the back of his "prediction" sheet, which already had "Dictionary" written across the front.
Once you realize we have the pen technology, the trick is quite simple. But the presentation was a lot of fun.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 that helped in every way think more creatively
This show is always fun that's what I like about it
I love when famous people make their own youtube channel and upload videos. *subscribed*. Magic tricks are very neat. Even though I love math, I'm not too fond of math based tricks. However, I love the creativity involved in all magic tricks. All magic is considered performance art, so a performance can even make bad tricks be incredibly entertaining. I am just posting generalized stuff, not related to this video, because it inspired me to share my appreciation for all magicians. Thanks Joel Meyers & Spidey! You two are awesome!
So I've binge-watched enough Fool Us episodes over the last couple weeks now to know exactly what was going to happen when Penn started with, "Boy".... haha, talk about a *tell*!!
"we want you to pick a random book"
out of our preselected pile of just a few books , but dont worry it doesnt limit your choices...
Wow Penn used glasses and a magnifying glass at the same time to read the dictionary
I would pay money to watch them perform live
not only a great act but absolutely hilarious
why is the 'random' guy mic'ed
They got people with mics in the audience so if the performer picks someone they can hold one of those big mics down.
that's how tv works. they mic the audience and edit it out of the show. No one wants to see a dude get mic'ed
The rules of the show say no plants.
They're not a plant, no one is on the show. Nothing is set up but there isn't time during the show to put mics on people on camera.
They have a big mic above their heads to lower on top of the people who are selected
I wonder what spidey was going to say "the second...something" It was a nice trick, Penn and Teller despite only doing "simple" tricks themselves are very knowledgeable about magic stuff, it's impressive.
Hey there. I actually did say it, but they cut it to keep the episode short. Penn and Teller do an amazing trick with books in their show so i said "we just wanted to do the second best book trick done on this stage by two guys"... :)
Nice to know! Thanks!I had to rewatch the video to remember what I was asking, but this was good to see again! haha
MAWWAGE
MAWWAGE is what bwings us togethel today
Shakaama lol perfect
Wuv. TWUE wuv.
Mawwidge... Is but a dweam wiffin a dweam
That intro was gold
hAsHtAgL0L12 one take, believe it or not ! They actually had like 2 hours of us messing around like that and had to condense
Anyone notice how long it took him to 'write' dictionary, how he 'wrote' 363 1-1 on the back without ever turning the page, and the awkwardness of stuffing the paper into the envelope?
the trick could have been possible at a time in history when the printde books were present, which would be centuries ago. However, the trick was not possible until maybe a couple of decades ago. The pen was a special equipment that probably had a mini computer and a touch device to trace the page number written and find out the word from the book (numbered 3 here) and map in to the dictionary. Soft copies of the book and dictionary and a search algo are enough to pull this off.
07:26 Legend says that Patrick and Sam sat down almost right after the trick was done.
There was an episode of Spongebob that I watched.. Patrick had a sister by the name of Sam
WTF?! HOW?????? Joel is my fav magician. Saw him on Wizard Wars and Fakeoff show too
They just used UV lol
Saw these guys at NACA northeast, pretty damn great!
4:35 writes on a random paper
Then took the first page
What i think is there is a device in the book that he uses
no shit
Why is that even necessary? Isn't the page number forced (in the sense that after folding & unfolding there may be another number on it because the participants never exchanged the number orally)? And then all you need is to know for each book the first words on your desired page....
So penn.and teller is really good magicians i never had heard of them untill few days ago... never ever heard about them
Great job Joel and Spidey
Spidey!!! I didn't know you were on Fool Us!! Has Chris Ramsay ever been on there too? ❤️👍🏻
It is a combonation of dissappearing ink, heat sensetive ink, and altered books. The posted note already had a number writen on the back. The pen they gave the audience member to write with was dissappearing ink. The word "Dictionary" was what he wrote while on stage. The "363-1-1" was writen on the back before hand with heat sensetive ink. Laying the whole envelope down on top of the magnafing glass actives the ink and makes the number appear. They allow the posted note to be passsed around until it gets handed to what they believe is a gulliable person. That person unfolding the note does not realize the number is actually on the back of the note not the front. That number just being as an example is 176. Each of the six books has a doctored up page where the first major big word is "voyage". That is why Penn used the Gutenberg's press reference, and the 10 to 15 year reference. They printed up their own books, quite possibly made their own inks, and heavily relied on the fact that reading from a printed book has declined in the past 10 to 15 years.
i think the pen records the number, then they internet request (project gutenberg) robinson crusoe and that page number and get the first few words, then they pick the longest one and do another internet request for the location of that word in the dictionary.
8:35
now that is what you call
code talk
at the first sentance you see him like, "i get the feeling they know how its don" "fuck, they know"
Wizards can spot others wizards. Haha This stuff amazes me :-)
I could be wrong just a guess ! Unlike a mentalist ... but I believe the “pen” is actually just a reference to person #1 (guy with the orange shirt ) and the “mag..glass “ is a reference to person #3 which is penn. so I believe penn was in on the trick believe it or not .. this that’s why penn says I also have a magnifying glass (when I do some tricks) or a person that’s in on the trick , as so does teller have a pen , remember in the beginning of pens speech he says something like oh boy I love duos (hint hint)
I think he's saying all the props are regular everyday objects except the books.
This is way off hehe
how'd they do the first trick though
these two are great, they came to our school and did an amazing show
Very humble response.
"It a peel and seal..." LOL
Legends says that patrick is still standing.
+kj Haha I loved this
kj Probably still standing
Robinson Caruso...
That's Robinson, the elder brother of Enrico Caruso (the famous Italian operatic tenor), who was marooned on an island. You may have read the book "Robinson Caruso" by Daniel Dafoe, cousin of Willem Dafoe (American actor).
(Just kidding. It was Daniel Defoe who wrote the book "Robinson Crusoe". Enrico Caruso and Willem Dafoe are innocent bystanders.)
Atanu Dey lmao the madlad
@@Atanu And Enrico Caruso's cousin, David Caruso.☺😂
It's about a castaway who only sang on Friday....
As primitive as can be
I'm confused as to how they figured it out.
patrick was in on it.
+Tenzin sonamsan Plants aren't allowed
No he wasnt
Ryan Beattie only condition is you have to be able to fool them,
Tenzin sonamsan Not at all. The producer has to be told the trick, and the rule is you can't have plants,otherwise he won't let you on
cuwiously, delibewations
I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds slight enjoyment from his speech issue.
nerver noticed not even that bad
Wow, an adult bully. Isn't it time for you to grow up?
+chase Kruse It must be nice not having any issues yourself. Grow up.
+terminat1 I think you miss understand what I ment by enjoyment. I ment it in a positive way as in if it would have been someone without an impediment then I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much. It added something different and special to his performance. Also you being quick to hostilities and slow to understanding and simple question as to what I ment, like an adult, shows you're actually the one that needs to grow up.
The Gutenburg Project. All the books they used can be downloaded free, copyright free. And edited and self-published. I think Voyage was a force. But that's just my gut feeling, I don't understand the reference to magnifying glass by Penn (unless it was just a red herring), but I do understand the pen reference. Of course, I could be completely wrong. Still mystifying. Thanks for the upload. :)
Think the Magnifying Glass was a reference to 'Search' using any digital/online browser
@@honovic I don't see how that is relevant to the trick. The pen explains everything. I believe saying "the magnifying glass and the pen" was just a red herring so as not to draw too much attention to the pen... I could be wrong though!
Melanie Maguire I figured the search was to either have a 3rd person look at that page once the book was selected, or to look up where in the dictionary it would be found - assuming the page number/word was not forced. If not a red herring, maybe just covering his bases when referencing methods.
@@honovic It could be. My theory was that all 6 books were the same text (possibly repeated chunks that didn't give away which book they were from). This couldn't have been (easily) done 20 years ago without the gutenberg press and selfpublishing. The page number was a force - Patrick's page number was written in disappearing ink. Which certainly exists. Their forced page number was written in appearing ink - this is the weak part of my theory - is there such a thing as appearing ink? From then on everything is easy. But maybe the "person offstage looking it up" *is* the solution? But he wouldn't need to digitally search - just a copy of the book(s) and the dictionary... ???
All wrong.
So...prolly the ink(something along the lines of disappearing after a while)? with a number already written on the back of the paper(with a normal type of ink). Could be the whole reason to why they kept asking to pass the paper along.
Narrows it down to a whole lot when you already have 6 books with selected(forced) amount of words.
Dictionary is just dictionary.
Magnifying glass + light = heat. Like receipts, the print goes away after a while, which is why you take a photocopy of it if you're planning on getting a refund on stuff(At least that's how we practice it in Sydney).
+Azim Petra (AbyssPetra)
It's not like receipts fade instantly, it would take a minimum of months if you're leaving it sitting out just for it to fade beyond being readable. And 90% of the time if you need a refund for something it's going to be within a few weeks after getting it, unless it's like a christmas present you bought a good amount of time ahead of time, and even in that case there'd be almost no chance of the receipt fading beyond usability unless you pour coffee or something on it, leave it in your wallet or a folder and you'll be fine.
Months? If you leave it out, sure. If you put it somewhere hot, though, not so much. It's not the light that does it, but the heat. I learned that the hard way by leaving a rather crucial receipt under my laptop.
This comment was supposed to be about the magic trick, but both of you turned it into information about a receipt
"prolly"? You mean Trolly or Frolly or Grolly
When the black suit brother is "writting his predictions" he pulls out the notebook where the guy originally put his number and did that thing with the pencil to see what it was, all the other stalling was so they could figure the word out
I don't know why so many people hate Ross. I think he's a great host who knows how to have a smooth conversation with the guests. Allison is just so awkward all the time
Lmao exactly what I thought. Can you tell me tho how did u conclude that people hate Ross?
@@Intimatycal from comments on other videos maybe? I can't remember now
Wow, Penn really gave away a lot about this trick. Once he mentioned the Gutenberg "press" I knew how this could be done
You think they printed 6 books with all of the same page? I'm just trying to figure out that clue😂
@@Heartofitall9691when he said it could only have been done in the last 10-15 yrs I immediately thought it must mean he has a phone or iPad with digital copies of all the books hidden in his notebook.
Omg penn did amazing with stalling reading out the dictionary, he’s really a mastermind
Spidey the hypnosis!!! I cant believe it.
They never let anybody check the book to make sure it consisted of different pages so it was never setup to impress me. The magician has to make it clear that their sleeves are empty before they materialize an object otherwise it's not interesting.
Random Ashe you’re 100% right. When performing for any audience showing the books is essential. But not when performing for penn and teller. We wanted them to think the books were gimmicked. They saw past it.
"You guess the word?"
Exactly how mentalism works
I'm less perplexed by whatever technojiggery this trick uses and more baffled about why it involved a blatant swami (the writing on the back bit, obviously done after it was removed from the envelope.) If they had a fancy way to determine what the pen wrote, this was a fairly lame trick compared to what they could have done. I also can't quite shake the feeling the books are gimmicked--I mean really, if you had a pen that could record what it wrote why wouldn't you simply ask someone to write anything down?
There are too many curious things about this trick. It makes it hard to reason about what's really going on. My best guess is they were trying to fool Penn and Teller into thinking they were using a different technique by including multiple unnecessary steps.
bingo! We wanted them to think it was gimmicked books, or a swami (which explains the little writing in the corner) but they didn't go for it :p
That Gutenberg was really a super useful guy :). love this trick either way because of the red herrings
internet requests robinson crusoe page number and gets the first few words, the longest is chosen and an internet request for the location in the dictionary
So if there was something about the pen that Patrick used, it sounds like the number Sam saw on the paper was pre-selected by the duo, and was not the same number that Patrick actually wrote down. That puts the page number in their control. Now all they have to do is let Sam pick from one of six different pre-selected books containing the word "voyage" near the top of that page number, write the word "dictionary" on a piece of paper, and put it in an envelope.
Am I close?
Many ways this could have been done including 4:00 "And just pass it to the person behind you, the gentlemen behind you" and we never see his hands after that. Or something as simple as special paper and ink ("write it down right there IN the circle"). Good stuff.
I haven't seen anyone else in the comments explain the Rossy trick. I think the book is specially printed by them to have every left-hand ("verso") page identical. So no matter where the magician stops, the first word will be "curiously." Pages are turning too fast for Ross to notice.
Or just a force.
Occam's razor
Note that the guy with the big notepad flips somewhere to the middle and pretends to write, but when they cut back to him he tears out the first sheet.
Where
@Iain Kerr Yeah, true. But (at least it was 4 years ago already like that) the person is actually random. The trick is shown and explained ahead of time to a jury.
What if the books are all edited so the first word of every page is voyage...
this hit like a freight train
+Neverending Paradox am I the only one who thought of this scenario?
Third* But I was thinking the same concept. :)
I'm pretty sure the girl would've noticed that...
i bet that the note book they used has some sorts of tablet or phone where these books are stored in it. all they did was to open the note book. use the tablet or phone to find the book and page number that they know from before (The guy in the beginning in red t shirt picked it) and to memorize the first 1-3 lines and and asked the girl about the world that he came up with the first letter for, So she agreed to it and directly went to the word he was refereeing to. also while he other guy was talking to the girl, he tolled the other one to go and do his prediction which gave him enough time to do his search. after finding the word he wanted from the book. all he had to do was to put in in one of those dictionary software that come with some dictionary book and search for it and find the coordinates. Tada simplessss
9:08 the moment they got busted is hilarious to me
What an amazing stage chemistry
9:43 Dude got cut off from talking xD
Very cool trick and I only was able to figure it out based on what Penn and Teller said. Not sure if I would of been able to figure it out otherwise. Cheers
The number Patrick writes transfers to the next post it note underneath. The rest I believe has to do with memorizing approximately 1200 words and their dictionary location. If the books are fake, the it should be possible to memorize a specifically set of words, and the trick gets easier since he knows the exact page to begin with.
Not sure what Penn meant by the fact the trick wasn't possible 15 years ago, since ink transfer or whatever type of writing quirk was used here probably existed years ago. Or maybe I'm wrong about all of it.
They never took the pad back from Patrick. The impression on the next paper down would be useless
All the books they chose are public domain and can be found online in html format on the Project Gutenberg website (which Penn called The Gutenberg Press), which was formatted in the early 2000s making it very easy to look up any text in those books. That's also why Penn mentioned the magnifying glass (a reference to the search function, or ctrl+f) Penn was also familiar with the pen they gave the volunteer and something about that pen allows the magicians to know the page number. Once they know the page number an off-stage assistant (or perhaps as many as 6 assistants, one for each book) quickly uses the Gutenberg text documents to turn to that page on each of the books. Once the book is selected the assistant reads out the first biggest word on that page to the magicians through an earpiece. The same text document search function can also be used to quickly find the location of the chosen word in the dictionary.
Penn really gave away the whole the trick with his coded speak.
I'm usually not the best at guessing how someone does there magic, but this one I think I know. One out of six books are indeed selected at random by the lady in the audience. However, the page numbers on the book is all the same, with the exception of the few beginning pages and ending pages. The book has same info over and over on that page(s) so all the magician has to do is remember an array of words of what it could be. The array of words is reduced by probability because most people will select the left hand side. The magician will more less always be guess right. Now if you really want to derail the magician's act as the volunteer, you would select the first or second page of the book.
The girl was holding the book, if it was rigged somehow she would've seen it.. It's technology - I'm guessing the pen and pad the guy wrote the page number on, sent the info to the guy with the large notebook (easy to hide a smartphone/tablet there) so he new the page number. and with the book title, which was not a secret, it's not hard to find out the word and where its in the dictionary.
oooohh...Hey Patrick :)
They should've predicted Jonathan Ross's word as "cuwiously"
hahahahahaha I love that accent
haha. In the Shin Lim performance of this show he says "Two Wandom selected members" haha
My man Patrick in good shape
so the code was written after the page number was revealed
yeah. i was doing that when i was a little kid
Patrick and the chick could be plants, but the audio doesn't mean they're mic'd. Booms could give the same clarity. The pad is on the first page (some comments say it's in the middle... It's not), dude never gave the pen or pad back. The pen and magnifying glass could have simply come with a kit, letting Penn know more about their set-up.
That was pretty cool. The book selection wasn't random though. That didn't even fool me but everything else did. lol
all those classics are free, searchable ebooks - project gutenberg
I love these guys follow them on UA-cam their great!
they're*
Is the apparent complexity of verifying the word a total misdirection or does it help them get to the right answer?
It's misdirection. He knows the word after Sam picks the book. Knowing the word allows him to bring the audience's anticipation up ("Is there a V in it? Yes.) then bring the expectations back down ("Is there a T? No."), which then segues into the comedic "guesstimate" patter before the big reveal. It's really good psychology that makes what could be a 45 second trick into a 3 minute piece of entertainment.
This is either a new technology trick or an old trick or a mixture of both.
We didn't get to see what page Patrick wrote and no confirmation from him if it is indeed the page number he wrote.
So the page number Sam saw is already prepared by the magician which can be done in a lot of ways.
Only Patrick can debunked the whole act but P&T already knew the trick that's why he uses the magnifying glass and pen for a comparison.
4:42..why is there a cut?
Because the fat girl cut a loud fart.
Brilliant bit.