Probably the best depiction of a Ti nightmare is the scene from 1984 where Winston, on the rack, is asked "How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?" To be threatened with torture if you don't somehow make yourself sincerely believe something that is patently untrue. The key difference is that Ti's feel like they are on that rack constantly, because (when you think about it) the world makes those types of demands of you all the time.
You wrote this 2 yes ago so, sorry, but dang - truth. Nothing frustrates me more than being bullied into silence by someone who refuses to acknowledge what is logical or real. I had this experience recently with an ESTJ and it reduced me to tears - which is not easy to do.
@@AK-jt7kh Tell me about it. Basically soul rape. (Don't understand why our control over our minds is not considered at least as sacrosanct as our control over our sexuality.) And they don't limit themselves to enforcing silence, but they will sometimes actively interrogate others to reveal their thoughts and then attack them for having the wrong thoughts. Like, who would ever think that was ok?! And why are there barely any taboos or consequences associated with this?
@@somexp12 That is what this guy did! He basically pressured me in to explaining my feelings (even worse, imo), and then argued about how I was wrong. The tears don’t come from personal sadness. It’s rage. I can’t do anything about this because he’s my boss. All I can do is loathe him to the very pits of my soul 😂… I’ve been trying to use the MBTI to find some way to feel sorry for the guy. It’s the best I can manage.
My ENTP dad always said “if you want to do what you love, you’ve got to learn to love what you do” and my Fi is like what???????? How the fuck can you ‘learn’ to love lmao you either love or you don’t love. If you don’t love then you just weigh the pros and cons, get over your Fi and do it lol
I still think the funniest description of Fi is "my blankie". Things I like are the same feeling as having a blankie when I was a lil squirt. Derick constantly makes fun of my Fi and calls stuff I like my blankie. Its pretty hilarious. -Allen, MF-Ne/Fi-CP/B(S)
@@jTiKey I think that's the other way around (?) Cause technically, if you have Fe savior, you have Ti demon. So they (Fe savior) keep on helping people in Fe way (empathy, trying to be on the same page with people through feelings) to receive "this is so helpful! You're so smart! Thanks!" type of validation. Te savior on the other hand, has Fi demon, so they keep on helping people in The ways (solving their problem, trying to be on the same page with people through logic) to receive "This is so helpful! You're so kind and considerate! Thanks!" type of validation.
@@hirumakazeko there's a difference between "trying, thinking you are good" and "doing it all the time, and being good". Ti are awful at empathy. Whenever I shared my feelings with them, they would only make it worse. I'd rather talk to a wall.
@Tommy Hass really? I'm actually just an OP fanboy trying to interpret their system 😂. I mean I can see that since their Fe and Te definitions are close.
I find you guys to be the most entertaining and awesome couple to watch. You give knowledge, wisdom, advice, and humour all in one short video. Serious value here. Definitely my favs!
@@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied INTP but that's funny...my mother-in-law and one of my friends are ISTJ. Reading my comment a year later...it did sound a lot like how they would write. :)
Hey! Ti is not like a bunch of falling blocks - our logic totally works and is stable. I know you've said you're both Te users, but Te actually falls down more often and then you get to blame someone else. Win in failing?
Yeah I would say this is one of our character flaws. Like early on back in the day if I failed an exam I would say there was too much going on in the house with the siblings when I was trying to study. I still do the blaming (not always verbalized, but others can sense my frustration) though less and less as I become more aware of it. However it still can bother others, luckily at home my girlfriend is patient and just laughs about it. She might be a double decider with Fe.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Though I don't like the "you are an X so you don't understand" reasonsing. I guess my distinction would be Ti doesn't exactly care about the outcome!
As an INTJ I can confirm. Ti users make sure to absolutely do things the best way the first time and do all the prework to figure out what that is. I just build guard rails and run head first into it until it works. Te is far more like Jenga, build as you go; and Ti is more like building a cabinet. So if both were building a cabinet: Te cabinet would be missing a hinge and a Ti cabinet would have some triple barreled hinge or something because those are "Just the best hinges" I'm just sitting there like, "lets go faster, why are we thinking about every little detail, the details can be figured out when we crash into them"
The Joker is not Fi. The Joker is an ENTP. It's a complete apathy to Fi. Fi **cares**. The Joker does what he does because he profoundly **doesn't care**. The surface-level funny jokestery stuff, laughing gas and whatnot, is Fe's drive to **solve** emotions. Fi doesn't **solve** emotions. They just **are.** It's precisely because ExTPs are Fi tricksters that people see them do what they do, then scapegoat Fi users for it. ExTPs keep thinking, because they are Fi blind, that they have like some kind of superpower of not getting butthurt or something. But what it really is, is that they are not paying attention to their Fi's influence in the situation and are the least responsible with it. Which is the same as how an INxP is not paying attention to Se's influence and are the least responsible with it. So the things that come about as a result of their poor Fi gets blamed on actual Fi types.
For the Joker, I unfortunately didn't watch Batman movies but I think Joker is like Hisoka in the anime HunterXHunter, and I think he is an ENTP for almost the same reasons you mentioned. They don't get emotionally stuck to anything for a long time. They don't have emotional memory (i.e. Fi).
j4yn1ck5 I think the issue comes in with different versions of the joker. Heath ledger’s joker seems like an ENTP to me. But there’s been so many versions that there’s bound to be some inconsistencies
I'm Tertiary Ti (ISFJ) and I'm constantly going back and forward between Fe and Ti at my job. I'm very Fe when I'm working (food service) but very Ti when it comes to speaking my mind to my superiors especially as it relates to my peers (Fe induced). I generally need a night to process thoughts, tertiary jones, but I'll usually have a train of thought the next morning.
I had ISFJ mom. we had a symbiotic relationship. She would ask me a lot of Ti solution to solve problem for Fe. Used me as on the spot solution basically rather than muling over night
This is a fun video. I enjoyed it! However, there’s just no way to generalize Fi or even Ti. I’m an INFP, and I’m confidently telling you that there isn’t any way to simplify or generalize Fi. It isn’t simply just “liking” things. It just doesn’t have a black and white way of looking at it
Fi is not some primordial animal instinct buried deep inside the human mind. It is more sophisticated than mere liking and not liking. I believe, being an auxiliary Fi and FiSi sleep, that it is the most powerful and intense functions of all 8. I understand it as a whole body, multidimensional 'thinking' as compared to Ti. If Ti is about delving deep into logic of things, Fi is more like getting to know the essence of things. Fi is rational in a connective/integrating way, Ti is rational on analytical/differentiating way.
I define Fi as simply desire and value. I could say that its shallow because well, maybe ppl don't intend shallow to mean "bad" but simply meaning exactly to the point without anything else needed to be said to make their point. (I've been practicing Ti demon and analyzing how Ti/Fe work in comparison with Fi/Te. Fi/Te being more about self-impact and self-relevance while Ti/Fe is about lacking in self and looking for and discussing intentions.) As an Fi dom, if i need to explain my intentions or motive I simply respond that its what I value or desire and that I have no priority in explaining a logical reason why because I know that it eventually loops back to simply being that I value/desire it. Where as a Ti/Fe person may be more inclined to say that they value something based on something objectively understood by many to be valuable. We as Fi doms don't always need to explain, we get straight to what's valuable/desired immediately, but we also add reason with Te. Shallow by impact might seem bad, but shallow by a closer look at intention and use might actually mean straight to the point. (This is my attempt at improving Fi hero by also practicing Ti demon) - an ISFP :P
they know that. they're just simplifying it to it's easiest conceptual form. No matter how deep we try to make Fi, because it's personal, in the end it's really just what that person desires and feels to be important without any logical reasons to justify it, whether that desire be a complex layered desire human need or the fact that I want ice cream because I want it. Its all just a desire, without justification. -sincerely another INFP
Didn’t make things clearer for me personally but cute video. I’m stuck between esfp 9w8 and istp 7w8. After a solid year of research i figured happiness only comes after pain/deprivation so the best method to be happy is to have controlled physical pain/deprivation(working out) followed by euphoric relaxation, hydration and eating. Food and water hit different when you purposely dehydrate and starve yourself. But yeah going off this video I’d be istp my process was finding out how to be happy through whatever reasons make sense, and in that process i considered every personality types ideal method of happiness. My work concluded that becoming an esfp is not the best way to live. To prove i am now esfp my greatest interest is symmetrical faces which happens to be what everyone likes soo yay i have so much unique passions.
That is so funny, yet so helpful. It demystifies the terminology quite a bit. When I think about how my friends, family, coworkers etc. have seen me rather than how I see myself, I am more like the Terminator than I am like Predator and I'm more like Robocop than I am like Batman.
I always see my fi/te and my friend te/fi when we talk about anime which we both LOVE. He will tell me what a UA-camr said or why other people like it or dislike it which is suppose to make me decide whether it’s good or not. For me I say what I like about it and what factors played into why I liked it which is just what everyone’s else should like because.... I liked theses things??? lol.
If I go out on a rant of nooo this isn't an accurate description of Fi, it'll probably only end up proving their point. But, Fi is so much more than just "liking things". That's way too generalised, and kinda feels a little belittling. It is kinda this internal balance of right/wrong, which can, sure, come off as liking/disliking at times. Like, yess, when it comes to art, sometimes, things do make this sort of abstract sense, but also it's about understanding that you don't eat your food in the same bowl as your pet for instance. Like, everyone has this personal bubble of things that you gotta respect. It is talking and developing a deep connection with your cycle. The analogies here are the idiot versions of Fi. Like, these are the people I will roll my eyes on.
Another nuance here is that the Fi yummy ice cream may very well consist of something that does help others, but you do it because it brings you joy. For example, I've always envisioned Santa Claus as an ESFP who's laughing heartily not to set a holiday mood (which would be an Fe concern) but because he genuinely feels that it's so much fun to fly around giving presents to people. (Mrs. Claus and a lot of the elves are probably SFJ's/STJ's who make sure that the sleigh actually leaves on time... unless Santa's really developed his tertiary Te. Could be possible; he's had a long time to do it.)🤔
I couldn't agree more! In fact, I just posted a comment almost identical to yours. I'll copy paste it here. See what you think: Hilarious video guys! Tho your definition of Fi seems incomplete to me. There's the whole "I just like it" thing, but you're missing the ethical aspect of Fi. As an Fi dom, I would not describe Fi as a happy-go-lucky, just "do what you feel like" sort of experience. (That sounds more like Se to me, tbh.) For me, my Fi involves doing what is morally *right*, not what feels fun/nice in the moment. Rather, Fi is a strict master, a moral conscience that must be obeyed no matter the cost. It's much more like Ned Stark's honour, which must be obeyed even to the death. It's "I must do what is right," not "I must do what I want". That's certainly my experience as an Fi/Ne. It may be different for Fi sensors, I don't know.
The thing they Fi like (or are Ti interested in) is also tied into their Identity. Some Fi person may want to have the identity of a good gardener, so they'll throw out a million reasons why it will work for everyone later. Some Ti person may be interested in the identity of being super competent at gardening, so they'll focus on ways that other people will like it later.
There's a difference between Fi correctness and Ti correctness. Let's take WWII tank combat games for an example. Ti would say "X tank had a top speed of Y mph on Z terrain. They got it right." Fi would say "I can swing around the turret and fire the main gun. Stopping, starting, and turning carry a lot of momentum. This feels like driving a tank." Then come the complaints: Fi says (about a certain game) "I spent 10 minutes driving into position. Sat in a bush for another 5 minutes. Then got shot by an invisible enemy and I'm out. This sucks." Ti says (about another game) "I circled 3 medium tanks to death in my light tank, landing 5-6 shots on the move while driving over 55 km/h. This is a stupid arcade game."
Pretty easy to find out. They sell a product. It's a psychology personality system which can be used to understand people better. You can sign up for their class and watch hundreds of hours of lectures. These videos are just snippets they cut out of their lectures and post on UA-cam.
these are clips taken from LARGER videos, so i totally get you. they don't sit down to make shorter youtube videos, i think they just find a SEGMENT from a class that was a nugget, and then titled it on youtube 👍
I think the description of Fi by “self-amusing” is inaccurate or misleading, because “self” is not necessarily Di, and amusing might be Oe. I see the Fi more of getting into the zone of oneself where there are things loved by the one. It's like visiting this loved zone in an intimate atmosphere where there is no one else, and no reason for loving these things. Maybe they are just related to the past, to the childhood, maybe they look beautiful from the one's perspective, maybe they provoke some deep emotions… The Fi zone is where there are things that look perfect, beautiful, full of good emotions and no reason in there and no thinking of how to use those things or make them practically useful. It is the zone of intensely feeling, without the disturbance of anyone else. In this intimate level of a person, if you find such emotional world, then you're dealing with an Fi-user. However, if you find a “court”, where things are judged by right and wrong, IN THIS DEEP, INTIMATE LEVEL OF A PERSON, then you're dealing with a Ti-user. (INTJ here)
Ur just describimg the difference between introverted perception and judgement, not Fi and Ti. Fi is love like you said. Ti is understanding. Fi is “astral” ti is grounded. Fi lets the mind control it while Ti controls the mind.
Awesome you guys typed the Joker. As a DC geek, I appreciated it. Micheal Keaton IS the best Batman. 89' Batman in the theater is one of my oldest memories being born in 85. Lol
I agree. Everything that applies to Ti also applies to Fi as Jung said and as well as Marie Von Fronz. The difference between the two is that Fi is applying subjectivr rational analysis to values (think Axiology) whereas Ti applying subjective rational analysis to thought itself (think Epistemology). Both are placed or has room within rational philosophical thought.
You can’t expect people to give a damn. They should, maybe, but they won’t. Look, I’m FE, people suck, and many of them blab incessantly like blithering idiots; you don’t want them, so don’t offer them a listening ear, when they bombard you with their careless blabbery. Don’t be the one who listens, walk away, find better things to do, so you don’t resent everyone. Also, ask yourself, if you have ever genuinely taken an interest in someone else’s inner world? And not one of those outgoing blabbsters, they don’t count for this experiment. A real person. Have you? Try that first. Then you might get from this person, what FI feels it so richly deserves. Not trying to be too harsh here, but really, want to help. Want to give you the straight scoop, dump the dopes. You deserve better. Better takes time. Be patient. It’s worth it. But do try to express your feelings, a bit more. People do want to know. I’m one of them. -INFJ
Look I don't know what this ice cream conspiracy thing is especially with the enfps. I am so sorry for all the other types that cannot experience the Heavenly satisfaction and true goodness of delighting in the various flavors of this delectable treat. And it's mobile. As we can see by the Ti boy ! (genius)
@Tommy Hass Sometimes, that can actually be the hardest part. Determining whether or not you're an observer or decider is better done by outsourcing the facts. So, it could be easier to see the functions first
Yeah only pretty people are allow to have Fi you’re definitely Ti homie. Fi legit means you don’t need reasons to validate your interest and the only way to get away with that is being hot or self accepting (narcissistic).
Damn now I’m even more confused about what I have 😂 What would feminine Ti and Fi look like? I don’t go *that* deep into things but I go deeper into some things than many people seem to... but doesn’t everyone have those areas of interest? Idk.
To clarify examples of what Fi is in this video: for Fi-Ne it is meant metaphorically (I like that idea). For Fi-Se it is meant literally (I like that cake).
Hilarious video guys! Tho your definition of Fi seems incomplete to me. There's the whole "I just like it" thing, but you're missing the ethical aspect of Fi. As an Fi dom, I would not describe Fi as a happy-go-lucky, just "do what you feel like" sort of experience. (That sounds more like Se to me, tbh.) For me, my Fi involves doing what is morally *right*, not what feels fun/nice in the moment. Rather, Fi is a strict master, a moral conscience that must be obeyed no matter the cost. It's much more like Ned Stark's honour, which must be obeyed even to the death. It's "I must do what is right," not "I must do what I want". That's certainly my experience as an Fi/Ne. It may be different for Fi sensors, I don't know. Any other Fi users wanna weigh in?
True, and i can still eat ice cream cause i like it and its not morally wrong lol. I think more developed Fi users start to limit their selfish tendencies when they understand the complexity behind their actions i.e drugs, food, emotions. But i think that's also called maturity.
I'm Ti dom but Fi being just "I like" is reasonably simplistic. Fi and Ti are both at core judging functions, compass functions and they serve to appraise the value or truth of something.
Despite most definitely not having Fi, I really liked this video. I thought for so long that Ti was simply a function of logical problem-solving, but didn't quite understand how Ti relates to moral codes (like Robocop), very much based on what is "right". Batman is definitely Fi, because his moral code is based around his values, his personal experience, his personal trauma and pain. It's strong morality regardless, but it is based in his feelings - X is wrong because my parents were killed, and I felt this trauma from my own experience. And Robocop's Ti still allows the development of a VERY strong moral code, but it is based REASONS - X is right and X is wrong because A and B. I used to think I was Fe... Then more and more people started raising eyebrows when I claimed I was such a strong empath. I used to think I was Fe... Then I started learning OP's description of the functions. I used to think I was Fe... Then I saw Robocop's stank face.
Wait so…now what do you think you are? I’m a masculine Ti dom and I have a very strong moral code - for myself. I could care less what other people do. Their morals are not my problem. I only care about whether their ruleset is going to interfere with what I’m trying to achieve, or otherwise cause me to suffer in some capacity. Then I just try to find a solution to navigate around those people so I don’t have to get looped in to some mess I don’t want to be involved with.
@@AK-jt7kh Yeah, I appreciate you explaining that. Sounds very much Ti. I like the way you explain the masculine Ti variant, too I haven't gotten officially typed, but my friend who DID get officially typed (FF Si-Ti SC/P(B)), has given his best guess for me as FM Ni-Ti SB/C(P). So I have savior F-Ti, demon M-Te, which means - as I see it - Mt reasoning structure (Ti) is where I spend the most time, but it tends to still revolve around a sense of what the universal value system should be (Fe). I adapt my moral code to reflect not what works for me, but what I come to think should be done by everybody.
so if terminator=Ti ; predator =Fi , how does Fe and Te work ? as examples ? We need the best analogy to trow at my mom to shut her up , and by we i mean , i do .
Something he said that was slightly incorrect (maybe because he was exaggerating) is that Fi-doms don't care about the reasons. They do - but there will be conflict when the reasons don't align with what they feel is right. In that case of conflict, you can basically expect Fi to win. One way or another, they have to justify what Fi insists. So if you're wanting an analogy of Fe or Te as it would appear in a Fe/Te-dom (the EJs) it would be totally different to how it appears in the IPs that he is describing here. And he did use analogies for that - the Fe crowd and the Te tools - in that section of the video.
Yes! I'd love to see Kurt Cobain. I wish they would do a video on serious depression and suicide - what happens when a person doesn't fulfill their heroes journey and it ends tragically.
Personally I think joker shifts with every interpretation. Heath Ledger INTJ, Joaquin Phoenix INFP, Jack Nicholson ENTP or ESTP, Batman animates series ENTP.
Why is heath ledger INTJ? Where is the fi or Ni? I see Ne and Fe more. His manipulation style is Fe. And Ne because he says a lot of possibilities and he’s very scatter brained and impulsive sometimes.
OPS aficionados, can you help me? For the 2 Sexual type letters at the beginning of a type-designation, does the first letter refer to Sensory or to De?
I know I shouldn’t do a test but now I’m confused. I wonder if the test mistyped me because it thinks infps can’t be logical? And going by stereotypes I feel I’m an FI dom but can be logical as well I am big on values morals and SUPER big on authenticity and individualism. And I can see where I might be ti because I do spend a lot of time researching things before I put action into and understand it and depth but that can also mean I can be an infp ennegram five I need help with this.
I mean INFPs are logical. In the same way that an INTJ is spontaneous. I know several INFPs who love mensa puzzles, but it's an indulgence. An NTJ completely lives in solutions land and then indulges in feeler-y or spontaneous activities. An INFP lives in authenticity, values, and what-if land and then indulges in telling stories and external logic. Of the Fi doms, NFP, SFP. The big differences are going to be Ne/Ni and Se/Si so I would recommend watching those videos from objective personality.
I respect Fi savior's authenticity to their values. The issue I have with Fi-doms is they seem to misplaced their values in areas where it's not neccessary( for example their imposed "freedom" from objective standards of reality) They also dont seem to weigh all the variables of consequences, seem to be rebels for any causes that appeal to their individual tastes.
some more immature fi doms don’t weigh the consequences of certain things for sure, so my advice for them is to actually understand the mechanics of their moral system. im an enfp and this really helps, im a consequentialist through and through.
@@natureandorgans and some more immature ENFPs use their values completely conditionally - when it serves my purpose I'm saint, when it doesn't I'm the devil.
Don't worry i'm an infj and i experience this too (either because we're using Ti which means ''i don't give a F about the common logic/what people find reasonable.. i care about my own logic and *if it makes sense to ME* '' or we're falling back to our shadow Fi
I'm aware that how Ti and Fi are represented here is with a lot of tongue in cheek, but as a lead Fi user I feel the need to stand up for our lot. It's not mainly about doing things that we _like_ , it's much much more about _willpower_ and trusting your _instincts_ . And not being able to explain to people why you made certain decisions (demon Te). And because we need to learn to control the 'beast' inside, we have to be hard on ourselves. And this is why experienced Fi users are actually incredibly ethical and often wise people, always balancing what they want, what they need, what others want, why that's wrong or ok, and then act accordingly. No ice cream for us, and proud of it.
Fi conversations: A: I like this! B: omg me too! I love that! A: I dont really love that. I love these! B: oh my god these are such *insert positive qualities* And they go on and on again about liking stuff. I’m an Fe lead so I really dont get how they can carry a conversation like this, to me it’s like “Okay? You like this? Cool i guess..?” But the Fi users can go on and on and on about the things they like with each other. Edit: I got officially typed and was typed Fi/Ne 😂 Fe lead my ass
Do these work the same as tertiary or inferior functions? I mean, based on this explanation alone, I'm Ti, but since it's supposedly my 3rd function (INFJ), I'm trying to make sure I haven't been mistyped (the common INFJ/INFP mistyping).
Yes. No matter where it is. INFJ will not have Fi tendencies. When an INFP shares the Lord of the Rings movies and gushes about how immersive the experience was and how insane the acting and the visual effects were and how they cried when Frodo accomplished his goals, the INFJ will be like, **blinks** "Awh, I'm really glad you liked it, well.. I was thinking the politics of the different areas caused many of the characters to be oppressed, unnecessarily. If I were doing things, I don't think there would be any wars."
I'm an INTJ female (Fi user lol) and for Valentine's at work I had to write this guy a card. It was randomly selected. This guy kinda dismisses me at work(looks through me like I'm a window) so I didn't bother at first. But when it came to Valentine's Day he didn't get his card and kept glaring at me (figured out it's me who's his secret Valentine) so I was like damn it lol so next morning I dropped one in his cubicle. Since I don't really care for him and know nothing about him I used my Fi and wrote one of my fave quotes from a tv show I love "Your beard is good". And delivered it in a fancy envelope with hearts haha. So yeah we're back at ignoring eachother (the whole "you're a window to me" thing... ) Altho I'm pretty sure he thinks I fancy his beard now LOL 😆😆😆 I really don't for the record. I just really really like Flight of the Conchords hahahaha
😂😂. This was so hilarious, Fe saviours looking at the new ice-cream especially saviour Si, Fe/Si: this guy just messed ice-cream up for us.. Tears(maybe). the Ti guy would be so surprised. The Fi saviour guy would most likely be the only feeling type user that'll be cheering him forward about it. Lool. But eventually I think Fe users eventually would learn to love the Ti conceptions.
I think it is the case for me too. Masculine Fi and Si, dopamine suffering with indecisive Ne. I don't know how to deal with it except for fasting and meditating.
Those dogs are the best illustration of what Fi feels like that I’ve ever seen! 😂
So funny!
What I love is how you two have such a good time together.
True
are they dating???
@@monicahu6651 i believe they’re married if i’m not mistaken :)
Fi dom: I do not approved this, that is not what Fi feels like!
... proceeds to lick ice cream fearlessly
Real
Why are Fi doms so mad?! lol
Ti doms are like "Terminator=Ti." "Yes."
I mean, it does kinda hit right in my little baby Fe to be seen as an emotionless robot by the tribe. But like, yeah that's not unreasonable.
Cause it's a false narrative almost lol
thats why RTX 3060 ti is better
Probably the best depiction of a Ti nightmare is the scene from 1984 where Winston, on the rack, is asked "How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?" To be threatened with torture if you don't somehow make yourself sincerely believe something that is patently untrue. The key difference is that Ti's feel like they are on that rack constantly, because (when you think about it) the world makes those types of demands of you all the time.
You wrote this 2 yes ago so, sorry, but dang - truth. Nothing frustrates me more than being bullied into silence by someone who refuses to acknowledge what is logical or real. I had this experience recently with an ESTJ and it reduced me to tears - which is not easy to do.
@@AK-jt7kh Tell me about it. Basically soul rape. (Don't understand why our control over our minds is not considered at least as sacrosanct as our control over our sexuality.) And they don't limit themselves to enforcing silence, but they will sometimes actively interrogate others to reveal their thoughts and then attack them for having the wrong thoughts. Like, who would ever think that was ok?! And why are there barely any taboos or consequences associated with this?
@@somexp12 That is what this guy did! He basically pressured me in to explaining my feelings (even worse, imo), and then argued about how I was wrong.
The tears don’t come from personal sadness. It’s rage. I can’t do anything about this because he’s my boss. All I can do is loathe him to the very pits of my soul 😂…
I’ve been trying to use the MBTI to find some way to feel sorry for the guy. It’s the best I can manage.
@@AK-jt7kha lot of websites tell me I’m an estj but this is literally the thing I loathe the most so I totally feel you on the rage part
"help me find a million Te reasons to get more Icecream!" -INFP
LMAO
@@vampireracheal8131 whaaaat??
@@Kiseochan insecure?
@@vampireracheal8131 about what exactly?
@@Kiseochan lol
This video didn't do justice to Fi at all but it was still hilarious :)
So THAT's what Fi looks like!! (Ti dom here)
Haha! You’re like “so that’s what this truth looks like”
As a Ti user i had the same revelation, next question, how do we feel it lol
My ENTP dad always said “if you want to do what you love, you’ve got to learn to love what you do” and my Fi is like what???????? How the fuck can you ‘learn’ to love lmao you either love or you don’t love. If you don’t love then you just weigh the pros and cons, get over your Fi and do it lol
I still think the funniest description of Fi is "my blankie". Things I like are the same feeling as having a blankie when I was a lil squirt. Derick constantly makes fun of my Fi and calls stuff I like my blankie. Its pretty hilarious.
-Allen, MF-Ne/Fi-CP/B(S)
I ain’t even started this but i know its going to be good. Lol
Ti vs Fi the battle for middle earth
when Keaton said "I'm Batman"
in that gravelly whisper voice
What would Te vs Fe look like?
ua-cam.com/video/1_UbZZQafCA/v-deo.html
Fe: I'll do everything so people feel i'm a pleasant person.
Te: I'll do everything that people think I'm smart.
@@jTiKey I think that's the other way around (?) Cause technically, if you have Fe savior, you have Ti demon. So they (Fe savior) keep on helping people in Fe way (empathy, trying to be on the same page with people through feelings) to receive "this is so helpful! You're so smart! Thanks!" type of validation. Te savior on the other hand, has Fi demon, so they keep on helping people in The ways (solving their problem, trying to be on the same page with people through logic) to receive "This is so helpful! You're so kind and considerate! Thanks!" type of validation.
@@hirumakazeko there's a difference between "trying, thinking you are good" and "doing it all the time, and being good". Ti are awful at empathy. Whenever I shared my feelings with them, they would only make it worse. I'd rather talk to a wall.
@Tommy Hass really? I'm actually just an OP fanboy trying to interpret their system 😂. I mean I can see that since their Fe and Te definitions are close.
I find you guys to be the most entertaining and awesome couple to watch. You give knowledge, wisdom, advice, and humour all in one short video. Serious value here. Definitely my favs!
You must be an istj.
@@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied INTP but that's funny...my mother-in-law and one of my friends are ISTJ. Reading my comment a year later...it did sound a lot like how they would write. :)
love your comparisons, makes it very simple AND objective!
Hey! Ti is not like a bunch of falling blocks - our logic totally works and is stable. I know you've said you're both Te users, but Te actually falls down more often and then you get to blame someone else. Win in failing?
Yeah I would say this is one of our character flaws. Like early on back in the day if I failed an exam I would say there was too much going on in the house with the siblings when I was trying to study. I still do the blaming (not always verbalized, but others can sense my frustration) though less and less as I become more aware of it. However it still can bother others, luckily at home my girlfriend is patient and just laughs about it. She might be a double decider with Fe.
@@hirsch4155 You mean, it's Te to blame others? (as in, you are Te?)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
Though I don't like the "you are an X so you don't understand" reasonsing.
I guess my distinction would be Ti doesn't exactly care about the outcome!
As an INTJ I can confirm. Ti users make sure to absolutely do things the best way the first time and do all the prework to figure out what that is. I just build guard rails and run head first into it until it works. Te is far more like Jenga, build as you go; and Ti is more like building a cabinet. So if both were building a cabinet: Te cabinet would be missing a hinge and a Ti cabinet would have some triple barreled hinge or something because those are "Just the best hinges"
I'm just sitting there like, "lets go faster, why are we thinking about every little detail, the details can be figured out when we crash into them"
So that's why the Joker was so relatable....
The Joker has Fi. No reasons, no whys, he just wants to burn down Gotham because it’s fun.
The Joker is not Fi. The Joker is an ENTP. It's a complete apathy to Fi. Fi **cares**. The Joker does what he does because he profoundly **doesn't care**. The surface-level funny jokestery stuff, laughing gas and whatnot, is Fe's drive to **solve** emotions. Fi doesn't **solve** emotions. They just **are.**
It's precisely because ExTPs are Fi tricksters that people see them do what they do, then scapegoat Fi users for it.
ExTPs keep thinking, because they are Fi blind, that they have like some kind of superpower of not getting butthurt or something. But what it really is, is that they are not paying attention to their Fi's influence in the situation and are the least responsible with it. Which is the same as how an INxP is not paying attention to Se's influence and are the least responsible with it.
So the things that come about as a result of their poor Fi gets blamed on actual Fi types.
@@FlagrantVagrant
Yeah, this “blind spot” thing of Socionics is actually very true. I really hope Dave & Shan get into it.
For the Joker, I unfortunately didn't watch Batman movies but I think Joker is like Hisoka in the anime HunterXHunter, and I think he is an ENTP for almost the same reasons you mentioned. They don't get emotionally stuck to anything for a long time. They don't have emotional memory (i.e. Fi).
j4yn1ck5 I think the issue comes in with different versions of the joker. Heath ledger’s joker seems like an ENTP to me. But there’s been so many versions that there’s bound to be some inconsistencies
I'm Tertiary Ti (ISFJ) and I'm constantly going back and forward between Fe and Ti at my job. I'm very Fe when I'm working (food service) but very Ti when it comes to speaking my mind to my superiors especially as it relates to my peers (Fe induced). I generally need a night to process thoughts, tertiary jones, but I'll usually have a train of thought the next morning.
This is really fascinating! That explains a lot about the ISFJ I know from work.
@@AK-jt7kh May I ask, are you a superior or a peer to the ISFJ?
I had ISFJ mom. we had a symbiotic relationship. She would ask me a lot of Ti solution to solve problem for Fe. Used me as on the spot solution basically rather than muling over night
This is a fun video. I enjoyed it! However, there’s just no way to generalize Fi or even Ti. I’m an INFP, and I’m confidently telling you that there isn’t any way to simplify or generalize Fi. It isn’t simply just “liking” things. It just doesn’t have a black and white way of looking at it
Her laughter and irreverence is so incredibly contagious. Love it. Thanks!
I find it confusing.
@@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied that’s part of the game. Figure out why and you’re on to something!
Fi is not some primordial animal instinct buried deep inside the human mind. It is more sophisticated than mere liking and not liking. I believe, being an auxiliary Fi and FiSi sleep, that it is the most powerful and intense functions of all 8.
I understand it as a whole body, multidimensional 'thinking' as compared to Ti. If Ti is about delving deep into logic of things, Fi is more like getting to know the essence of things. Fi is rational in a connective/integrating way, Ti is rational on analytical/differentiating way.
Nahhh it’s just liking things.
Sincerely, an Fe savior
No you're right it's deeper than that! They're just explaining that the core definition is self value 👍
Fi is wayyy more about what is valuable and identity than shallow feelings, fun, or desire.
-sincerly INFP here
As an INFP I also agree
Yes I'd say Fi is not so much about what's fun, but rather what is important/meaningful (at least for intuitives). I'm also INFP :)
Want ice cream?
I define Fi as simply desire and value. I could say that its shallow because well, maybe ppl don't intend shallow to mean "bad" but simply meaning exactly to the point without anything else needed to be said to make their point. (I've been practicing Ti demon and analyzing how Ti/Fe work in comparison with Fi/Te. Fi/Te being more about self-impact and self-relevance while Ti/Fe is about lacking in self and looking for and discussing intentions.)
As an Fi dom, if i need to explain my intentions or motive I simply respond that its what I value or desire and that I have no priority in explaining a logical reason why because I know that it eventually loops back to simply being that I value/desire it. Where as a Ti/Fe person may be more inclined to say that they value something based on something objectively understood by many to be valuable. We as Fi doms don't always need to explain, we get straight to what's valuable/desired immediately, but we also add reason with Te. Shallow by impact might seem bad, but shallow by a closer look at intention and use might actually mean straight to the point. (This is my attempt at improving Fi hero by also practicing Ti demon)
- an ISFP :P
they know that. they're just simplifying it to it's easiest conceptual form. No matter how deep we try to make Fi, because it's personal, in the end it's really just what that person desires and feels to be important without any logical reasons to justify it, whether that desire be a complex layered desire human need or the fact that I want ice cream because I want it. Its all just a desire, without justification. -sincerely another INFP
Didn’t make things clearer for me personally but cute video. I’m stuck between esfp 9w8 and istp 7w8. After a solid year of research i figured happiness only comes after pain/deprivation so the best method to be happy is to have controlled physical pain/deprivation(working out) followed by euphoric relaxation, hydration and eating. Food and water hit different when you purposely dehydrate and starve yourself. But yeah going off this video I’d be istp my process was finding out how to be happy through whatever reasons make sense, and in that process i considered every personality types ideal method of happiness. My work concluded that becoming an esfp is not the best way to live. To prove i am now esfp my greatest interest is symmetrical faces which happens to be what everyone likes soo yay i have so much unique passions.
That is so funny, yet so helpful. It demystifies the terminology quite a bit. When I think about how my friends, family, coworkers etc. have seen me rather than how I see myself, I am more like the Terminator than I am like Predator and I'm more like Robocop than I am like Batman.
I always see my fi/te and my friend te/fi when we talk about anime which we both LOVE. He will tell me what a UA-camr said or why other people like it or dislike it which is suppose to make me decide whether it’s good or not. For me I say what I like about it and what factors played into why I liked it which is just what everyone’s else should like because.... I liked theses things??? lol.
Ahahaha. This is so much fun. I swear, if I didn't watch these videos for the teachings, it would be for the comedy.
If I go out on a rant of nooo this isn't an accurate description of Fi, it'll probably only end up proving their point. But, Fi is so much more than just "liking things". That's way too generalised, and kinda feels a little belittling. It is kinda this internal balance of right/wrong, which can, sure, come off as liking/disliking at times. Like, yess, when it comes to art, sometimes, things do make this sort of abstract sense, but also it's about understanding that you don't eat your food in the same bowl as your pet for instance. Like, everyone has this personal bubble of things that you gotta respect. It is talking and developing a deep connection with your cycle. The analogies here are the idiot versions of Fi. Like, these are the people I will roll my eyes on.
That’s an interesting point but I gotta say as an Fi inferior their definition makes the most sense to me lol
Sure Fi feels misunderstood and Ti feels under appreciated. In all fairness, Dave is an Fi dom and is using self deprecative humor.
@@secondcosmos7450 huh, that's interesting.. I guess I'm too close to the picture to see the joke 😂 I'm a lead Fi, so
Another nuance here is that the Fi yummy ice cream may very well consist of something that does help others, but you do it because it brings you joy. For example, I've always envisioned Santa Claus as an ESFP who's laughing heartily not to set a holiday mood (which would be an Fe concern) but because he genuinely feels that it's so much fun to fly around giving presents to people. (Mrs. Claus and a lot of the elves are probably SFJ's/STJ's who make sure that the sleigh actually leaves on time... unless Santa's really developed his tertiary Te. Could be possible; he's had a long time to do it.)🤔
I couldn't agree more! In fact, I just posted a comment almost identical to yours. I'll copy paste it here. See what you think:
Hilarious video guys! Tho your definition of Fi seems incomplete to me. There's the whole "I just like it" thing, but you're missing the ethical aspect of Fi. As an Fi dom, I would not describe Fi as a happy-go-lucky, just "do what you feel like" sort of experience. (That sounds more like Se to me, tbh.) For me, my Fi involves doing what is morally *right*, not what feels fun/nice in the moment.
Rather, Fi is a strict master, a moral conscience that must be obeyed no matter the cost. It's much more like Ned Stark's honour, which must be obeyed even to the death. It's "I must do what is right," not "I must do what I want". That's certainly my experience as an Fi/Ne. It may be different for Fi sensors, I don't know.
The thing they Fi like (or are Ti interested in) is also tied into their Identity.
Some Fi person may want to have the identity of a good gardener, so they'll throw out a million reasons why it will work for everyone later.
Some Ti person may be interested in the identity of being super competent at gardening, so they'll focus on ways that other people will like it later.
There's a difference between Fi correctness and Ti correctness. Let's take WWII tank combat games for an example. Ti would say "X tank had a top speed of Y mph on Z terrain. They got it right." Fi would say "I can swing around the turret and fire the main gun. Stopping, starting, and turning carry a lot of momentum. This feels like driving a tank."
Then come the complaints: Fi says (about a certain game) "I spent 10 minutes driving into position. Sat in a bush for another 5 minutes. Then got shot by an invisible enemy and I'm out. This sucks." Ti says (about another game) "I circled 3 medium tanks to death in my light tank, landing 5-6 shots on the move while driving over 55 km/h. This is a stupid arcade game."
I'm savior Fi and my boyfriend is savior Ti, both gamers, can confirm this is how playing together is like.
I just caught my lead Ti halfway through typing "Yeah that makes sense." 😂
Your laughter is infectious!
But is it? Really? It seems oddly misplaced. But I have FE, so y’know….
Sometimes your information is really useful and sometimes I'm left wondering what is your actual objective?
Pretty easy to find out. They sell a product. It's a psychology personality system which can be used to understand people better. You can sign up for their class and watch hundreds of hours of lectures. These videos are just snippets they cut out of their lectures and post on UA-cam.
these are clips taken from LARGER videos, so i totally get you. they don't sit down to make shorter youtube videos, i think they just find a SEGMENT from a class that was a nugget, and then titled it on youtube 👍
I LOVE THEIR ENTHUSIASM 😂👏😂👏😂
This is definitely your best video !
Whyyy your videos are always so accurate
Shan's laugh gives me life xD
I think the description of Fi by “self-amusing” is inaccurate or misleading, because “self” is not necessarily Di, and amusing might be Oe. I see the Fi more of getting into the zone of oneself where there are things loved by the one. It's like visiting this loved zone in an intimate atmosphere where there is no one else, and no reason for loving these things. Maybe they are just related to the past, to the childhood, maybe they look beautiful from the one's perspective, maybe they provoke some deep emotions… The Fi zone is where there are things that look perfect, beautiful, full of good emotions and no reason in there and no thinking of how to use those things or make them practically useful. It is the zone of intensely feeling, without the disturbance of anyone else.
In this intimate level of a person, if you find such emotional world, then you're dealing with an Fi-user. However, if you find a “court”, where things are judged by right and wrong, IN THIS DEEP, INTIMATE LEVEL OF A PERSON, then you're dealing with a Ti-user.
(INTJ here)
In this intimate level of myself as a person (infp) the things I like are a part of who I am.
You describe fi beautifully.
@@nesrine2566
Thank you!
Ur just describimg the difference between introverted perception and judgement, not Fi and Ti. Fi is love like you said. Ti is understanding. Fi is “astral” ti is grounded. Fi lets the mind control it while Ti controls the mind.
Awesome you guys typed the Joker. As a DC geek, I appreciated it.
Micheal Keaton IS the best Batman. 89' Batman in the theater is one of my oldest memories being born in 85. Lol
Your videos are quintessential energy > info.
I love the video. Make more please.
This video didn’t doesn’t really represent Fi all that well.
Fi is much deeper than this video let on.
This video is like the infant-Fi version of Fi lol. More like inferior or polr Fi than Dom Fi
I agree. Everything that applies to Ti also applies to Fi as Jung said and as well as Marie Von Fronz. The difference between the two is that Fi is applying subjectivr rational analysis to values (think Axiology) whereas Ti applying subjective rational analysis to thought itself (think Epistemology). Both are placed or has room within rational philosophical thought.
You can’t expect people to give a damn. They should, maybe, but they won’t. Look, I’m FE, people suck, and many of them blab incessantly like blithering idiots; you don’t want them, so don’t offer them a listening ear, when they bombard you with their careless blabbery. Don’t be the one who listens, walk away, find better things to do, so you don’t resent everyone. Also, ask yourself, if you have ever genuinely taken an interest in someone else’s inner world? And not one of those outgoing blabbsters, they don’t count for this experiment. A real person. Have you? Try that first. Then you might get from this person, what FI feels it so richly deserves. Not trying to be too harsh here, but really, want to help. Want to give you the straight scoop, dump the dopes. You deserve better. Better takes time. Be patient. It’s worth it. But do try to express your feelings, a bit more. People do want to know. I’m one of them. -INFJ
Te: I got all these tools
Ti: BISH, I AM THE TOOL
and bish I can even make tools if it is required.
perfect description of demon Fi eating in the corner.
okay I'm sitting in my room alone and watching you guys and it's my birthday 🎉 I will work on my fe this year -istp
ah man i had many birthdays alone like that
Hahahaha 😂 I loved this!!! and my fn icecream!!!!
Shan - I’m tired of complimenting you on this amazing shade of yellow. Where can we get it?! So good
Target! XO!
Objective Personality ah, good ol tarjay
Me being the dog eating the cake while explaining how the cake makes me better than you.
Look I don't know what this ice cream conspiracy thing is especially with the enfps.
I am so sorry for all the other types that cannot experience the Heavenly satisfaction and true goodness of delighting in the various flavors of this delectable treat.
And it's mobile.
As we can see by the Ti boy ! (genius)
Me Fi love and laugh at 1:46 then Shanon nails it "I Fi love this"
This was so helpful! I've been stuck between INFP/ENFP and INTP/ENTP for so long. I'm so Ti xD
DIALOGIC yay Fi club
@@PsychologyandChillwMichi Re-read the OP's comment, lol.
@Tommy Hass Sometimes, that can actually be the hardest part. Determining whether or not you're an observer or decider is better done by outsourcing the facts. So, it could be easier to see the functions first
@Tommy Hass Besides, don't forget everybody is capable of doing every function, you can't pin point the commenter from one paragraph
Yeah only pretty people are allow to have Fi you’re definitely Ti homie. Fi legit means you don’t need reasons to validate your interest and the only way to get away with that is being hot or self accepting (narcissistic).
Damn now I’m even more confused about what I have 😂 What would feminine Ti and Fi look like? I don’t go *that* deep into things but I go deeper into some things than many people seem to... but doesn’t everyone have those areas of interest? Idk.
To clarify examples of what Fi is in this video: for Fi-Ne it is meant metaphorically (I like that idea). For Fi-Se it is meant literally (I like that cake).
Hilarious video guys! Tho your definition of Fi seems incomplete to me. There's the whole "I just like it" thing, but you're missing the ethical aspect of Fi. As an Fi dom, I would not describe Fi as a happy-go-lucky, just "do what you feel like" sort of experience. (That sounds more like Se to me, tbh.) For me, my Fi involves doing what is morally *right*, not what feels fun/nice in the moment.
Rather, Fi is a strict master, a moral conscience that must be obeyed no matter the cost. It's much more like Ned Stark's honour, which must be obeyed even to the death. It's "I must do what is right," not "I must do what I want". That's certainly my experience as an Fi/Ne. It may be different for Fi sensors, I don't know. Any other Fi users wanna weigh in?
True, and i can still eat ice cream cause i like it and its not morally wrong lol. I think more developed Fi users start to limit their selfish tendencies when they understand the complexity behind their actions i.e drugs, food, emotions. But i think that's also called maturity.
I'm Ti dom but Fi being just "I like" is reasonably simplistic. Fi and Ti are both at core judging functions, compass functions and they serve to appraise the value or truth of something.
Despite most definitely not having Fi, I really liked this video. I thought for so long that Ti was simply a function of logical problem-solving, but didn't quite understand how Ti relates to moral codes (like Robocop), very much based on what is "right".
Batman is definitely Fi, because his moral code is based around his values, his personal experience, his personal trauma and pain. It's strong morality regardless, but it is based in his feelings - X is wrong because my parents were killed, and I felt this trauma from my own experience.
And Robocop's Ti still allows the development of a VERY strong moral code, but it is based REASONS - X is right and X is wrong because A and B.
I used to think I was Fe... Then more and more people started raising eyebrows when I claimed I was such a strong empath.
I used to think I was Fe... Then I started learning OP's description of the functions.
I used to think I was Fe... Then I saw Robocop's stank face.
Wait so…now what do you think you are?
I’m a masculine Ti dom and I have a very strong moral code - for myself. I could care less what other people do. Their morals are not my problem. I only care about whether their ruleset is going to interfere with what I’m trying to achieve, or otherwise cause me to suffer in some capacity.
Then I just try to find a solution to navigate around those people so I don’t have to get looped in to some mess I don’t want to be involved with.
@@AK-jt7kh Yeah, I appreciate you explaining that. Sounds very much Ti. I like the way you explain the masculine Ti variant, too
I haven't gotten officially typed, but my friend who DID get officially typed (FF Si-Ti SC/P(B)), has given his best guess for me as FM Ni-Ti SB/C(P). So I have savior F-Ti, demon M-Te, which means - as I see it - Mt reasoning structure (Ti) is where I spend the most time, but it tends to still revolve around a sense of what the universal value system should be (Fe). I adapt my moral code to reflect not what works for me, but what I come to think should be done by everybody.
@@paulbruce5414 I think I misunderstood you. What’s your type? Or top 4 functions?
so if terminator=Ti ; predator =Fi ,
how does Fe and Te work ? as examples ?
We need the best analogy to trow at my mom to shut her up , and by we i mean , i do .
Something he said that was slightly incorrect (maybe because he was exaggerating) is that Fi-doms don't care about the reasons. They do - but there will be conflict when the reasons don't align with what they feel is right. In that case of conflict, you can basically expect Fi to win. One way or another, they have to justify what Fi insists.
So if you're wanting an analogy of Fe or Te as it would appear in a Fe/Te-dom (the EJs) it would be totally different to how it appears in the IPs that he is describing here. And he did use analogies for that - the Fe crowd and the Te tools - in that section of the video.
ua-cam.com/video/YterUehx1jc/v-deo.html this ones about lead Fe
ua-cam.com/video/1CypVz_j-4Q/v-deo.html this ones about lead Te
Dude, this video is still hilarious. "This is truth." 😂
Fi truth 🤣
Five balls of Straciatella is standard.
I don’t want the ice cream, I want the dog!
Hey guys! Could yall please do a video going over demon te vs fe?
The demon Fi hiding under a blanket is SO true! Oh I like this thing... but no one can KNOW! They can’t know I value this!
Did you typed kurt cobain in one of your classes? That woul rly interest me :)
Yes! I'd love to see Kurt Cobain. I wish they would do a video on serious depression and suicide - what happens when a person doesn't fulfill their heroes journey and it ends tragically.
as a fellow goofball I think this is one the best fucking videos out there!!
This is a good one guys 😂😂😂
Now I know my shame cake is a function of demon fi.
Exfp and extj laughter is the best
Yeeeessss!! Ti is all about the TRUTH. ENTP here
.... 🤣
Personally I think joker shifts with every interpretation. Heath Ledger INTJ, Joaquin Phoenix INFP, Jack Nicholson ENTP or ESTP, Batman animates series ENTP.
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Why is heath ledger INTJ? Where is the fi or Ni? I see Ne and Fe more. His manipulation style is Fe. And Ne because he says a lot of possibilities and he’s very scatter brained and impulsive sometimes.
" I'm just a dog chasing cars" is possibly one of the least INTJ quotes I've ever heard.
@Tangerines are better than Oranges good point
I Fi love this, sooo funny 😂
Hahaha 😂 hilarious! I secretly yearn to be a terminator sometimes....
I'm personally DYING to see what Dave thinks of the new Batman.
I want my opinions validated :D
OPS aficionados, can you help me? For the 2 Sexual type letters at the beginning of a type-designation, does the first letter refer to Sensory or to De?
First letter is sensory. Second is De
As an INFP, the Predator and Batman are my favorites for sure.
I know I shouldn’t do a test but now I’m confused. I wonder if the test mistyped me because it thinks infps can’t be logical? And going by stereotypes I feel I’m an FI dom but can be logical as well I am big on values morals and SUPER big on authenticity and individualism. And I can see where I might be ti because I do spend a lot of time researching things before I put action into and understand it and depth but that can also mean I can be an infp ennegram five I need help with this.
I mean INFPs are logical. In the same way that an INTJ is spontaneous.
I know several INFPs who love mensa puzzles, but it's an indulgence. An NTJ completely lives in solutions land and then indulges in feeler-y or spontaneous activities. An INFP lives in authenticity, values, and what-if land and then indulges in telling stories and external logic.
Of the Fi doms, NFP, SFP. The big differences are going to be Ne/Ni and Se/Si so I would recommend watching those videos from objective personality.
I liked this. I’m istp. Just had my identical twin brother (isfp) over for Christmas. lol
I respect Fi savior's authenticity to their values. The issue I have with Fi-doms is they seem to misplaced their values in areas where it's not neccessary( for example their imposed "freedom" from objective standards of reality) They also dont seem to weigh all the variables of consequences, seem to be rebels for any causes that appeal to their individual tastes.
Objective standards of reality? WTF is that?
@@entropyfun lol standards=grading systems, methods and procedures that we all have to adhere to no matter our personal preferences and biases
some more immature fi doms don’t weigh the consequences of certain things for sure, so my advice for them is to actually understand the mechanics of their moral system. im an enfp and this really helps, im a consequentialist through and through.
@@rationaloptimist4959 What is greater objective standard than individual freedom?
@@natureandorgans and some more immature ENFPs use their values completely conditionally - when it serves my purpose I'm saint, when it doesn't I'm the devil.
apparently I’m the joker now. hell yeah
This is great
So I thought I was an INFJ (Fe) but now I'm thinking I'm Fi because wow.... I have never related more to a function lol
Don't worry i'm an infj and i experience this too (either because we're using Ti which means ''i don't give a F about the common logic/what people find reasonable.. i care about my own logic and *if it makes sense to ME* '' or we're falling back to our shadow Fi
Trevor from GTA is an enormous Fi character
What if the truth is what one likes 🤔
I'm aware that how Ti and Fi are represented here is with a lot of tongue in cheek, but as a lead Fi user I feel the need to stand up for our lot.
It's not mainly about doing things that we _like_ , it's much much more about _willpower_ and trusting your _instincts_ . And not being able to explain to people why you made certain decisions (demon Te).
And because we need to learn to control the 'beast' inside, we have to be hard on ourselves. And this is why experienced Fi users are actually incredibly ethical and often wise people, always balancing what they want, what they need, what others want, why that's wrong or ok, and then act accordingly. No ice cream for us, and proud of it.
So I’m an INFJ with an INTJ and when we loop at the same time, oh my God, it feels like the apocalypse.
I am replying to my own comment. Brilliant, me.
ISTP same Ti-Ni loop 😁
Fi conversations:
A: I like this!
B: omg me too! I love that!
A: I dont really love that. I love these!
B: oh my god these are such *insert positive qualities*
And they go on and on again about liking stuff. I’m an Fe lead so I really dont get how they can carry a conversation like this, to me it’s like “Okay? You like this? Cool i guess..?” But the Fi users can go on and on and on about the things they like with each other.
Edit: I got officially typed and was typed Fi/Ne 😂 Fe lead my ass
i felt dead when i talked with a Fi
@@ErnolDawnbringer I’m Fi and also feel dead when talking to fellow Fi’s unless they’re leading the convo 😭
Batman is Ti to me !
Do these work the same as tertiary or inferior functions? I mean, based on this explanation alone, I'm Ti, but since it's supposedly my 3rd function (INFJ), I'm trying to make sure I haven't been mistyped (the common INFJ/INFP mistyping).
Yes. No matter where it is. INFJ will not have Fi tendencies. When an INFP shares the Lord of the Rings movies and gushes about how immersive the experience was and how insane the acting and the visual effects were and how they cried when Frodo accomplished his goals, the INFJ will be like, **blinks** "Awh, I'm really glad you liked it, well.. I was thinking the politics of the different areas caused many of the characters to be oppressed, unnecessarily. If I were doing things, I don't think there would be any wars."
Guilty as ISTP
still no closer.
I Fi Love this!
great video!! 💫Fi💫
One of your best videos. Yes! Joker is ENFP! Happy to hear this....so many always want to type him as ENTP.
I don't really see it, but he seems to have changed over the decades. I guess it just depends which one is being referenced.
I totally agree with you. Michael Keaton is the best batman ever!
I'm an INTJ female (Fi user lol) and for Valentine's at work I had to write this guy a card. It was randomly selected. This guy kinda dismisses me at work(looks through me like I'm a window) so I didn't bother at first. But when it came to Valentine's Day he didn't get his card and kept glaring at me (figured out it's me who's his secret Valentine) so I was like damn it lol so next morning I dropped one in his cubicle. Since I don't really care for him and know nothing about him I used my Fi and wrote one of my fave quotes from a tv show I love "Your beard is good". And delivered it in a fancy envelope with hearts haha. So yeah we're back at ignoring eachother (the whole "you're a window to me" thing... ) Altho I'm pretty sure he thinks I fancy his beard now LOL 😆😆😆 I really don't for the record. I just really really like Flight of the Conchords hahahaha
Work makes you pick a valentine, wtf?
gdi guys xD oh god, the "in the corner hiding" resonated with me on a spiritual level >.
😂😂. This was so hilarious, Fe saviours looking at the new ice-cream especially saviour Si, Fe/Si: this guy just messed ice-cream up for us.. Tears(maybe). the Ti guy would be so surprised. The Fi saviour guy would most likely be the only feeling type user that'll be cheering him forward about it. Lool. But eventually I think Fe users eventually would learn to love the Ti conceptions.
Yo thats actually a good argument why batman could be Fi, I always thought batman is ISTP but this makes sense too.
First comment hahha this like all videos must be educational and funny ;)
I am slowly starting to believe that I'm a Si saviour with ADHD and that is the reason for the mess I am in.
I think it is the case for me too. Masculine Fi and Si, dopamine suffering with indecisive Ne. I don't know how to deal with it except for fasting and meditating.
1:25 I guess she pretty much summed up the INTP Fi experience lmao
Please let Shan speak.
Ti truth... Keaton.
Wtf wasnt Joker ENTP?