An extra nerdy note: The M1 supports operating systems with page sizes of either 4KB or 16KB. While most arm64 operating systems will work just fine in a virtual machine, OSes with page sizes other than 4K or 16K will not boot. One notable example is Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which on arm64 has a 64KB page size, and subsequently CentOS for the same reason. This might be fixed in the next update of RHEL to achieve compatibility with M1. EDIT: According to AwlsomeAlex in the replies below, RHEL9 is compiled with a 4KB kernel and works on Parallels now. Thanks, Alex!
@Jack Salzman I don't have the disk space for it, and even if I did, this M1 MacBook Air is my main school and coding machine and I don't want to risk that.
This video is just perfect. I have a question do you have any solution to run android apps on m1 Mac ? I am using parallels on m1 Mac and inside parallels there is windows 10 arm can we install android emulations such as bluestacks and run android apps ?
Android is an issue we have yet to overcome, really. Despite being built for arm64, there is no reliable way to run Android apps. You'd think it'd be made by now. I don't know why it's so difficult... In Windows 11 running through Parallels you can't run Android apps because that's a layer 2 virtual machine, and on macOS there's an Android emulator that Android Studio installs, but it's pretty slow. In a few years, when my low-level programming skills are better, I might try to make an Android virtualizer myself...?
Have a solution for your VMware problems, I'm not a mac user, however, I believe there should be a tools download somewhere in the menu (may need to look up a guide) and once you do this it will ask you to reset and once you reset, the VM should run smoother. I speak from experience. Mac OS was very cutty on my PC till I installed the Tools.
As a bona fide technologist, troubleshooter who has worked with virtual machines since the late 1990s, this video was very well done. I knew you would end up reaching the same conclusion I did in playing with the alternatives: there aren’t any. It’s really just parallels desktop. Which is OK because it’s a fantastic product. Now, virtual box is in beta form to support the M1 processor. I will be taking a look at that myself as well.
@@moonleter6637UTM is very good. I have to say it makes more sense on the Apple silicon than Parallels because it performs very well with good OS support and requires no subscription. I would pay the $10 to install via the App Store as that way it supports auto updates. I have installed Windows 11 via UTM - it performs great in a non-business setting. As for trying to use it on my 2021 MBP M1 in the field, no way. My nosey clients remote through my laptop and jack with my network settings. Once they see a “virtual machine”, they would throw a tantrum that would blow back on me. I have a video showing my solution to have Native windows concurrently with Apple Silicon here: ua-cam.com/video/GDxVek7kPJ0/v-deo.html I use this solution in the field almost daily, and it works great.
Excellent! Finally a good video that talks about VMs on M1. In my case when a was thinking on move to the M1 knowing that i wouldn't can virtualize any OS the same way (on the same hardware), i did this: 1.- I bought a refurbished HP Tiny EliteDesk 800 G3. 2.- Then i upgraded the ram of HP to its max (32Gb), and also upgrade the internal storage with 256Gb ssd and a 512Gb M.2. 3.- I installed the free version of VMware ESXi on the HP as Hypervisor, and connect it to my local network. And thats how i virtualize any OS now.
Are you running Windows under Parallels? I read somewhere that Microsoft does not "officially" support windows on M1 even though there is an ARM version.
@@simongross3122 Yes, there's currently no way to natively boot into Windows on ARM on ASi Macs, until Microsoft licenses Windows on ARM to companies other than Qualcomm.
@@utubekullanicisi Thanks. My concern is that even using parallels and the MS "Insider Program" version of Windows for ARM, there is some sort of license issue being broken. Also, for myself, I would prefer to run a fully supported version of Windows. This Qualcomm thing is a pain. No Windows for me until I know for certain there'll be a properly supported version. Same for MS Office, SQL, etc.
For whatever reason this video suddenly appeared in my feed. But, I'm glad it did. It's a really professional effort and succinctly nailed a lot of the issues I encountered with M1 virtualisation. I'm late to the party, but you've got yourself another subscriber.
I've been using Parallels ever since I switched to a Mac perhaps 10 years ago. Yes, it's a bit pricey, but it delivers a good-performing experience for any VM you might want to run on any Mac. Highly recommend it.
To bad you are SOL with M1.. Emulation, not virtualization, is slow at best and mostly useless. Parallels might work but virtualizing ARM windows is almost pointless.
@@jmkhenka At the moment I am still running a Mac mini with an Intel chip, but I plan to upgrade to Mx eventually. Parallels is very good about keeping their software current, and I've heard reports that Windows runs just fine under the latest version of Parallels on an M1 Mac. I could care less because I keep Parallels and Windows around only for a few old clients who are running Windows-only software, so I don't care about performance as long as it works.
the way Parallels prices their product is kinda disgusting. Want to use more than 8 GB of RAM? Pay us more. Want to use more than 4 cores? Pay us more.
Excellent video! I’ve been looking for a concise summary of virtualization on M1 hardware all across the internet (UA-cam, Reddit, tech blogs, etc) and this is the only one that really answered my questions, nice job!!
I tried fusion a few weeks ago. It worked fine for me. The experience was similar to VMware player in windows. It looks like it's much better than when you tried it
My favorite part of this video was his voice getting louder but remaining professional but u can detect the frustration in evaluating that software! Another minute and the cursing would begin!!! I can relate to that feeling! Thank u for a great overview as my current macbook is dying forcing me to upgrade and I don't want a linux or windows machine at this time but require a virtualization solution.
Parallels is so rad. I can't believe how well it runs on my new M1 Pro versus my 2020 Intel MBP. The fans would go crazy on my Intel model when running Windows in Parallels. I haven't heard the fans once on the M1. I'm a specific use case where I like to use a Mac for work, but there are 2 of my own company's proprietary Windows apps that I need to access in order to do product demos. These apps are running faster on my M1 Parallels instance than they do on my work-issued Lenovo Windows laptop.
@@oscarcharliezulu Yeah, It works for what I do, but I know there are limitations on it. Also it’s not very clear really how much support an investment windows is going to make into the arm version so time will tell if it remains usable
Just a hint though: Windows on UTM will look and work much, MUCH better if after boot you connect to the VM using MS Remote Desktop from your Mac host. Full retina resolution, copy-paste etc will work better than using the QTM's VM window.
I'd never even thought of that. I use UTM/QEMU on my work 14" M1 Pro. It runs noticeably more slowly that Parallels on my 16" M1 Max. The latter is obviously a faster machine but it's a much bigger difference than I'd expected.
@@tdiamond7758 Depending on the network settings of your virtual machine, you might have to port forward 3389 which is the MS remote desktop default port. In any case, you can then use the official MS remote desktop app to connect to your virtual machine's IP address, as you would with any other real PC.
Not sure if someone else mentioned this in comments but Parallels has a few purchase options including perpetual licence and perpetual upgrade licence (it let me upgrade a very old copy of Parallels for a big discount), as well as the subscription prices which can usually be gotten cheaper through various coupon codes or EDU.
Great video but don't be so quick to dismiss UTM/QEMU in favor of Parallels. They are for different purposes. Many including me, need to do Linux/x86 development on their Apple Silicon Macs and parallels not doing emulation makes that a no go directly. I use QEMU from the command line and sure, it's a bit slow, but can be sped up some with forced multithreading with the risk of some instability. Docker also works great out of the box for Linux/x86 development. Canonical's Multipass is also an option for virtualization but as of writing this they don't yet support emulation but are planning to add it. Many developers also don't care about graphics or GUIs, we SSH into the VMs and work 100% from the command line. For this QEMU excels and has everything we need :)
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I'm so happy and thankful that this video is getting attention, and I'm glad to help people! Thank you so much. I will continue to make insightful content!
Update: Virtualbox now has support for M1 and M2 chips starting from version 7.0 (It is a developer preview so some features might be broken) Vmware fusion player can now run most Debian-based Linux Distro and Windows 10 (At least on my M2 MacBook Pro), Windows 11 have weird driver error about the disk. :(
Your channel is gonna go far! 😄 I really hope that with the upcoming WWDC, Apple changes and encourages (long-shot but worth a try) the developers to build tools for their ARM platform. I get the feeling that there's a lot of catching up to do and lots of research and development to tap into that ARM power on the Mac and I wonder if this catch up strategy that Apple constantly does is actually good for software. I hope it gets better so that you can actually use one machine for all your needs.
All they really have to do is provide adequate documentation for the components and hardcore developers like the Asahi Linux team will inevitably do the rest and make drivers out of sheer curiosity.
I'm a hardcore VMware guy since I make my living as a Virtual Infrastructure Admin in the Enterprise space (which they dominate), but you're right - the technical preview of Fusion on the M1 Mac just sucks. :/ I'm hoping they work out the bugs soon!
Yeah, unbelievable it is so bad. It is like they are not even trying... But on the other hand, I can't justify paying for the Parallels licence given the use I would have of it...
@@mingli9563 I am a developer too. Soon after the original WWDC Apple Silicon announcement I bought a 2020 27" iMac with the 10 core i9 and the 5700XT. The user upgradable RAM slots make this an ideal machine for running VMs and Docker.
I keep seeing the comments of "Dude, just 25 subscribers??" now I'm seeing 4k+ and def glad your channel has grown. You had me cracking up at the 12:00 mark about the resizing of the windows lol. I felt the frustration, but thanks for providing this video. Guess I need to fork up that 99 bucks
Parallels was the first app to install as I really needed it to work and it sure delivered. Quite awesome! Thank you for creating such an exhaustive comparison!
I've been running windows 11 insider preview for ARM on UTM on a base model M1 air, and the OS itself runs really smoothly. While gaming doesn't work at all, I could run autodesk inventor (a 3D CAD program) relatively well. UTM is definitely an option for running windows apps that don't require heavy GPU usage. btw inventor runs mainly from the CPU so that might be something to factor in.
One thing that always pops out to me when trying to make these things work in a usable way is something you say a lot about VMware Fusion. "I just couldn't be bothered to fix the error" when performance is terrible. Thanks for putting this together.
I'm usually the type to always try my hardest to fix any error that comes up, it gives me a very primal sense of satisfaction when I make a computer work properly. But when it comes to the average user, I want to be honest with them, and I want to show them that this needs tinkering to get it to work - I'm not going to overstate its ease of use just because I got it to work.
Great video! Even though I probably wouldn't buy M1 (or the newer Mac) but this video is still a great knowledge to have for me, because I'm interested in both the M1 architecture and virtualization tech. Keep up the good work!
If you need a stable Windows or Linux image running on your M1 Mac, spend the money and get Parallels. There really is no alternative if you consider your time is money so if you're spending it trying to tweak other solutions to work, you'd be further ahead just to get Parallels from the get-go. I've thrown many different OSs at it and it just works (on both Intel and Arm based Macs). Installation and configuration couldn't be easier. I use a lot of software every day and Parallels is in my top 3 favorite applications. VMware has always kinda been trash on the Mac (even the Intel platform). Their Mac solutions have always taken a 3rd-row seat to their PC and Enterprise products and it shows. Great video, by the way. Very thorough.
I used Fusion for years, but the failure to roll out an ARM version forced me to switch to Parallels when I got an M1 Mini. Yeah, it costs a bit, but it simply works - and the ARM version of Win11 comes free of charge. (For now... I can imagine MS killing it remotely when they decide they want my money.)
Win 10/11 x86 can run without activation, even with updates. I doubt MS will charge for ARM version until it becomes main stream, perhaps. That won't happen for years.
I run W11 and I just reused my old key for W10 from back when I got my own first Macbook. Yeah. It simply works. There are some occasional bugs but no major right now.
Update, UTM seems to be working a lot better and smooth with Retina monitor and accelaration. So that's a plus still haven't tried Parallels as I don't want to pay for it and VMware still sucks. So my daily is UTM on an M1 MBP
After using Parallels for the past year to run Windows on the 8GB MBA, my conclusion is that it works okay. But RAM is a limiter for smooth performance, particulary at startup. I wish that I had bought the 16GB version. I would like to see how it works on the base 14" MacBook Pro (M1 Pro).
I know what you mean. I haven't had any issues on my Mac, and I'm even running it off of an external SSD as you can see in some shots, it's pretty much a matter of luck whether it'll boot fast or not. RAM is a bit of an issue especially since it has to share it with macOS but it's perfectly serviceable for my needs, especially if I'm running Linux instead of Windows.
@@KalosLikesComputers I am running UbuntuDDE on the original Lenovo X1 Carbon from 2012 that has 4GB of RAM. It runs like a dream. Windows would not and it illustrates the problem with virtualization. I bought the 8GB MBA just to see what the M1 chip and MacOS was like. Little did I know that I would like it so much that I wanted it to run ALL my software on a daily basis. The fact it can (with some occasional memory struggles), is amazing. In the rear view mirror, I am kicking myself for not getting 16GB.
@@markholle3450 Yeah, I also had an M1 air with 8gb running Windows in parallels for a while. It's usable if you only use the VM, but sucks if you wanna do anything else. Really regretted not going for 16gb, but a few days I finally got myself a 14" MBP 10-core. It's been working great performance-wise, but it gets really hot (unlike my MBA), which is pretty annoying. And also I now regret going for 16gb and not 32gb :D As 16gb that still is not enough for heavy multitasking in both the host and VM. I think 32-gb 10-core MBP is pretty much a perfect portable workstation now, for most tasks! Just as you mentioned, I liked the M1 so much that I moved my work from a windows laptop to a VM.
Great video. M2 is out and VirtualBox has a beta build for ARM out. Maybe it's time for a follow-up video? Also it's interesting which softwares that come with a API so provisioning can be automated.
I wouldn't say I'm converted - I still have to use Windows for many things like gaming, and I love me some Linux shenanigans, but macOS is truly one of the most comfortable operating systems I've ever used, it's just a joy to work on.
Nice vid! Some months ago I discovered that VMWare Fusion Pro 13.5.2 works really good on M1 Macbook Pro, with Win 11 guest! Better and smoother than UTM in my experience, and it also runs DX11 games. (Unfortunately it does not have Docker support, so that is a parallels advantage.)
I was thinking about getting Parallels, but the pricing and cost of Windows made it cheaper to buy a computer with Windows included for 500 euro and control it with Chrome remote desktop. With 0% compatibility issues.
Android is actually quite different - Android Studio installs an Android emulator that does work but is very slow. QEMU might be able to run Android. UTM had a pre-build Android VM in their library but they removed it at some point. Here's the statement: "We removed the Android pre-built images because Android does not run well on QEMU/UTM and created a lot of confusion. Advanced users can build their own Android VM from scratch but it is not recommended."
If you mean that you tried running Android apps through a Windows 11 ARM virtual machine on an M1 Mac, it relates to the issue I talk about at 1:44. Windows 11 runs Android apps through the Windows Subsystem for Android, which is essentially a stripped down Hyper-V virtual machine. This cannot run on M1, because it would be a Layer 2 virtual machine.
2:05 video hasn't started yet... Watching the video makes me feel like I am just waiting for you to finish what you are doing. It doesn't support or add to the viewing experience. I just want to know what solutions you've identified and the pros and cons. Also feels quite obvious that flaws in M1 will apply to whole M1 line up as it is the same SOC
I am a software engineer that deals mostly with macOS. Using VM’s particularly macOS VM’s is fairly critical to my work flow. I have found Running Guest VM’s to be total garbage on Apple Silicon. Parallels is the best tool, and was quite impressive on x86 Macs but on ARM64 Macs its really garbage and the support absolutely sucks. I have a few Apple Silicon macs for testing, but I am still using an Intel Mac as my daily driver. At this point if an application is not available for Apple Silicon like in VMWares case, I dont expect one to ever be available. Personally I blame apple for making the hurdles too high. Which is causing application manufacturers to weigh effort/cost to get it working against the small user base of macOS and how much revenue they will receive.
You also have to remember that x86 virtualization has decades of history behind it and is extremely well-documented, whereas arm64 virtualization on any platform is a relatively new creation. We'll get there.
@@KalosLikesComputers Agreed, we will get there. In the meantime if VMs are a critical part of someones workflow they really should stick to Intel Macs for now.
@@andrewgrant788 Problem is, there are no intel macs to buy any longer besides the Mac Pro... We have customers running mini's and older macpros (the trash cans) with vCenter and we have a problem - if the hosts dies we need to drop the entire platform. They have software relying on old intel mac platforms. But this is probably a problem so small as to be ignored totaly, who in their right mind runs mac as server and as v-hosts at that...
@@jmkhenka The Intel Mac mini is also available new and 27" iMacs are available on the refurb store. One use case for Mac Servers is CI build machines for automated testing. With Mac vHosts you can legally host MacOS. The main use case for running VMs on a Mac though are locally hosted software development and access to software that either doesn't run on MacOS or requires an older version of MacOS. I have a Mojave VM image to run old 32bit MacOS software. I also have multiple Linux VMs and Docker.
what a great vid on virtualization. i went thru most of this myself, and as a PD user on macs since day 1, it does seem to be the only way to run windows on my M1 mini. And yes, the pricing is the worst feature - outrageous! 🇺🇦Slava Ukraini🌻
Bro, that VMWare Fusion feedback was HILARIOUS!!!!!!🤣💦💦💦💦💦💦💦 I'm glad you did this video because I had just watched a video on "MaxTech" about them using "Parallels" for a VM to use Windows 11 for Gaming and I wasn't impressed, especially with the price that Parallels was charging!!! You made some pretty valid points and because of that....I'm a little more convinced in using Parallels. I've used "Boot Camp" only one other time previously on a Mac I had and it worked ok. I was just researching whether Parallels is the "best" alternative for running Virtual Machines and you've pretty much answered my question. Thanks.
As many others I see a bright future for your channel. Subscribed. Really good video man. Can’t wait to hear you say “this video is sponsored by this doubtful brand” haha. Cheers!
I'm also happy this video is getting recommended to people! It's my first video of this kind, I'm hoping to just unapologetically be a nerd on this channel.
I am a Mac user since the very early 2000s. I've used Parallels Desktop and VMware Fusion a few times. But I got fed up about buying a new license every year on Parallels. Long story short, I finally bought an Intel NUC pc and installed Proxmox VM on it (open source virtualization software build on Debian Linux). Admiralty, it does help to have some basic knowledge on Linux. However, you don't have to know a whole lot about Linux, in my opinion. Anyway. here is why I went for Proxmox on the Intel NUC. I can run multiple vm's to virtualize Windows (al though I use that rarely) and other operation systems for several reasons. This is my practice. My Mac Studio is my daily driver and I use it in my study room. In another room of my house I have the Intel NUC running, without a mouse, keyboard and monitor. It is wired connected to my router access point. From my Mac Studio desktop I control the Intel NUC through the Proxmox web-interface. As long you don't need to game and so on it works perfectly smooth. I installed Home Assistant on it to controle my home's smart devices. Run Pi-hole, a wiki page, Volumio audio player (free opensource audio player with Airplay functionality). One of the the great advantages of my setup is that when I want to experiment something I just copy the VM that I want to use for my experiment. If I screw it up then I just kill the screwed up VM and grab back to earlier version of that same VM.
I had to double check just to make sure this wasn’t a knock off channel reuploding somebody else’s video.. damn such an amazing video. You clearly deserve more subs. Way more subs for sure.
@@KalosLikesComputers Is it even possible to work with a linux platform and windows 11 simultaneously in any of this software on base variant Macbook air? How is the RAM Management
@@techcraft111 Yeah, it's possible on either UTM or Parallels, or pretty much anything that can run virtual machines. The RAM management really depends on how much RAM you've given each VM and how much RAM your Mac has. With the 8GB MacBook Air, I've run a Linux and a Windows VM at the same time, each being entitled to 4GB of RAM, but Parallels doesn't let the system run out of memory unless you explicitly tell it to.
@@KalosLikesComputers the latest! There will be an option to choose Apple Hypervisor. I remembered I had trouble enabling gui when using Apple hypervisor but it should be solvable. And gpu support is also there but only limited to Linux.
love your video and thanks for not supporting piracy of parallels software and your video quality is an excellent just post more videos frequently for growth love this video bro
Excellent review & guide! I was choosing btw UTM and Parallels. Thank you for pointing out that UTM is emulaion rather than real virtualization. I guess, I just have to shell out some cash for Parallels. I had high hope for VMware, what a disappointment.
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Dude, 25 subscribers aren’t enough. This is a s very professional! Solid video! Keep it up.
Thank you so much 😭
Thought so as well! Was surprised when I saw your sub count 😦
Keep it up! 💪🏻
Agreed
Wow.. the future is here to say congrats on 1k+ subscribers
@@KalosLikesComputers you ftw
An extra nerdy note:
The M1 supports operating systems with page sizes of either 4KB or 16KB. While most arm64 operating systems will work just fine in a virtual machine, OSes with page sizes other than 4K or 16K will not boot. One notable example is Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which on arm64 has a 64KB page size, and subsequently CentOS for the same reason.
This might be fixed in the next update of RHEL to achieve compatibility with M1.
EDIT: According to AwlsomeAlex in the replies below, RHEL9 is compiled with a 4KB kernel and works on Parallels now. Thanks, Alex!
Ah that’s useful info. Thanks!
@Jack Salzman I don't have the disk space for it, and even if I did, this M1 MacBook Air is my main school and coding machine and I don't want to risk that.
This video is just perfect. I have a question do you have any solution to run android apps on m1 Mac ? I am using parallels on m1 Mac and inside parallels there is windows 10 arm can we install android emulations such as bluestacks and run android apps ?
Android is an issue we have yet to overcome, really. Despite being built for arm64, there is no reliable way to run Android apps. You'd think it'd be made by now. I don't know why it's so difficult... In Windows 11 running through Parallels you can't run Android apps because that's a layer 2 virtual machine, and on macOS there's an Android emulator that Android Studio installs, but it's pretty slow. In a few years, when my low-level programming skills are better, I might try to make an Android virtualizer myself...?
Have a solution for your VMware problems, I'm not a mac user, however, I believe there should be a tools download somewhere in the menu (may need to look up a guide) and once you do this it will ask you to reset and once you reset, the VM should run smoother. I speak from experience. Mac OS was very cutty on my PC till I installed the Tools.
As a bona fide technologist, troubleshooter who has worked with virtual machines since the late 1990s, this video was very well done. I knew you would end up reaching the same conclusion I did in playing with the alternatives: there aren’t any. It’s really just parallels desktop. Which is OK because it’s a fantastic product. Now, virtual box is in beta form to support the M1 processor. I will be taking a look at that myself as well.
And what do you think about UTM?
@@moonleter6637UTM is very good. I have to say it makes more sense on the Apple silicon than Parallels because it performs very well with good OS support and requires no subscription. I would pay the $10 to install via the App Store as that way it supports auto updates. I have installed Windows 11 via UTM - it performs great in a non-business setting. As for trying to use it on my 2021 MBP M1 in the field, no way. My nosey clients remote through my laptop and jack with my network settings. Once they see a “virtual machine”, they would throw a tantrum that would blow back on me.
I have a video showing my solution to have Native windows concurrently with Apple Silicon here:
ua-cam.com/video/GDxVek7kPJ0/v-deo.html
I use this solution in the field almost daily, and it works great.
Excellent! Finally a good video that talks about VMs on M1.
In my case when a was thinking on move to the M1 knowing that i wouldn't can virtualize any OS the same way (on the same hardware), i did this:
1.- I bought a refurbished HP Tiny EliteDesk 800 G3.
2.- Then i upgraded the ram of HP to its max (32Gb), and also upgrade the internal storage with 256Gb ssd and a 512Gb M.2.
3.- I installed the free version of VMware ESXi on the HP as Hypervisor, and connect it to my local network.
And thats how i virtualize any OS now.
Thank you very much! Parallels has turned my M1 into a gaming machine. Playing Anno 1800, ARK, Valheim... fanless. Feels. Just. Great.
Are you running Windows under Parallels? I read somewhere that Microsoft does not "officially" support windows on M1 even though there is an ARM version.
@@simongross3122 Yes, there's currently no way to natively boot into Windows on ARM on ASi Macs, until Microsoft licenses Windows on ARM to companies other than Qualcomm.
@@utubekullanicisi Thanks. My concern is that even using parallels and the MS "Insider Program" version of Windows for ARM, there is some sort of license issue being broken. Also, for myself, I would prefer to run a fully supported version of Windows. This Qualcomm thing is a pain. No Windows for me until I know for certain there'll be a properly supported version. Same for MS Office, SQL, etc.
For whatever reason this video suddenly appeared in my feed. But, I'm glad it did. It's a really professional effort and succinctly nailed a lot of the issues I encountered with M1 virtualisation. I'm late to the party, but you've got yourself another subscriber.
Fantastic video, finally an concise explanation on the entire virtualization space for M1 when I was just reconsidering my purchase
I've been using Parallels ever since I switched to a Mac perhaps 10 years ago. Yes, it's a bit pricey, but it delivers a good-performing experience for any VM you might want to run on any Mac. Highly recommend it.
I’ve been a parallels user for 12+ years. It really is the best option out there and keeps improving all the time.
😂pricey?? It’s cheap af
To bad you are SOL with M1.. Emulation, not virtualization, is slow at best and mostly useless.
Parallels might work but virtualizing ARM windows is almost pointless.
@@jmkhenka At the moment I am still running a Mac mini with an Intel chip, but I plan to upgrade to Mx eventually. Parallels is very good about keeping their software current, and I've heard reports that Windows runs just fine under the latest version of Parallels on an M1 Mac. I could care less because I keep Parallels and Windows around only for a few old clients who are running Windows-only software, so I don't care about performance as long as it works.
the way Parallels prices their product is kinda disgusting.
Want to use more than 8 GB of RAM? Pay us more.
Want to use more than 4 cores? Pay us more.
Excellent video! I’ve been looking for a concise summary of virtualization on M1 hardware all across the internet (UA-cam, Reddit, tech blogs, etc) and this is the only one that really answered my questions, nice job!!
I tried fusion a few weeks ago. It worked fine for me. The experience was similar to VMware player in windows. It looks like it's much better than when you tried it
So I've heard! I'd like to do a redux of this video but there are other ones in the works with higher priority.
with the community-made guide, things on Fusion are far less rough now
Instant subscribe. I’ve been waiting someone to make a review on VM using M1 for a while now. Looking forward for more videos!
My favorite part of this video was his voice getting louder but remaining professional but u can detect the frustration in evaluating that software! Another minute and the cursing would begin!!! I can relate to that feeling!
Thank u for a great overview as my current macbook is dying forcing me to upgrade and I don't want a linux or windows machine at this time but require a virtualization solution.
Oh I was so close to cursing
Parallels is so rad. I can't believe how well it runs on my new M1 Pro versus my 2020 Intel MBP. The fans would go crazy on my Intel model when running Windows in Parallels. I haven't heard the fans once on the M1.
I'm a specific use case where I like to use a Mac for work, but there are 2 of my own company's proprietary Windows apps that I need to access in order to do product demos. These apps are running faster on my M1 Parallels instance than they do on my work-issued Lenovo Windows laptop.
Because macbook air m1 base model(2020) has not fans at all . It cools passively, while macbook pro m1 (2020) has fans.
@@stuarthook6226 I don’t have the base model M1, I have the MacBook Pro. I’m comparing Pro 2020 to Pro 14
Arm windows?
@@oscarcharliezulu Yeah, It works for what I do, but I know there are limitations on it. Also it’s not very clear really how much support an investment windows is going to make into the arm version so time will tell if it remains usable
Your Mac is 8gb or 16?
For all of that what you’d tested out, you’re a hero. A whole another level of patience-range.
Just a hint though: Windows on UTM will look and work much, MUCH better if after boot you connect to the VM using MS Remote Desktop from your Mac host. Full retina resolution, copy-paste etc will work better than using the QTM's VM window.
This is true!
I'd never even thought of that. I use UTM/QEMU on my work 14" M1 Pro. It runs noticeably more slowly that Parallels on my 16" M1 Max. The latter is obviously a faster machine but it's a much bigger difference than I'd expected.
I currently use UTM and I find it to be grainy looking. Please how do i connect using MS remote desktop?
@@tdiamond7758 Depending on the network settings of your virtual machine, you might have to port forward 3389 which is the MS remote desktop default port. In any case, you can then use the official MS remote desktop app to connect to your virtual machine's IP address, as you would with any other real PC.
How does it work? Does it go through my AP? Or it directly connects in my laptop? How do they communicate each other?
I'm an IT professional since 10 years & I'm subscribing just now :) Great work.
Not sure if someone else mentioned this in comments but Parallels has a few purchase options including perpetual licence and perpetual upgrade licence (it let me upgrade a very old copy of Parallels for a big discount), as well as the subscription prices which can usually be gotten cheaper through various coupon codes or EDU.
Dammit. Parallels, it is, then.
Thanks for this comparison video. Excellent stuff!!
Great video but don't be so quick to dismiss UTM/QEMU in favor of Parallels. They are for different purposes. Many including me, need to do Linux/x86 development on their Apple Silicon Macs and parallels not doing emulation makes that a no go directly. I use QEMU from the command line and sure, it's a bit slow, but can be sped up some with forced multithreading with the risk of some instability. Docker also works great out of the box for Linux/x86 development. Canonical's Multipass is also an option for virtualization but as of writing this they don't yet support emulation but are planning to add it. Many developers also don't care about graphics or GUIs, we SSH into the VMs and work 100% from the command line. For this QEMU excels and has everything we need :)
Not dismissing it! It's great! 😁
It's possible to run docker inside a VM?
You had zero subscribers 10 months ago when you made this?
Oh boy did that change fast! Here’s another sub 🤝🏻
Thank you!! I promise I'm working on more videos haha
Amazingly informational. I have been looking for advice on this since before the MacBook Pro dropped. Great Job.
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And a 80k views. It’s really excellent video. I hope the algorithm can understand this comment 👍🏻 and keep pushing it up the recommendations
I'm so happy and thankful that this video is getting attention, and I'm glad to help people! Thank you so much. I will continue to make insightful content!
Update:
Virtualbox now has support for M1 and M2 chips starting from version 7.0 (It is a developer preview so some features might be broken)
Vmware fusion player can now run most Debian-based Linux Distro and Windows 10 (At least on my M2 MacBook Pro), Windows 11 have weird driver error about the disk. :(
hey I wanted to know about the compatibility of x86 with m2 pro because no one seems to raise this query with m2
Do not place so much confidence in it. Its still in beta almost 11 months later and still is very broken for emulating 64 bit operating systems.
Thanks so much for this video. Because, I was waiting for 1 year to get this video... Great work...
Your channel is gonna go far! 😄
I really hope that with the upcoming WWDC, Apple changes and encourages (long-shot but worth a try) the developers to build tools for their ARM platform. I get the feeling that there's a lot of catching up to do and lots of research and development to tap into that ARM power on the Mac and I wonder if this catch up strategy that Apple constantly does is actually good for software.
I hope it gets better so that you can actually use one machine for all your needs.
All they really have to do is provide adequate documentation for the components and hardcore developers like the Asahi Linux team will inevitably do the rest and make drivers out of sheer curiosity.
@@KalosLikesComputers Crossed fingers and toes, but Apple controls everything so probably not. 😅
i was thinking about subscribing, but then i saw him wearing a mask. Sorry, but you don't get my sub for being a sheep.
@@daomingjin For crying out loud - lotsa luck in public spaces when face diapers were mandatory for access....
Great video! Can tell you're a true techie and not another youtuber repeating info out of another online article.
I'm the type to write the articles 💀
I'm a hardcore VMware guy since I make my living as a Virtual Infrastructure Admin in the Enterprise space (which they dominate), but you're right - the technical preview of Fusion on the M1 Mac just sucks. :/ I'm hoping they work out the bugs soon!
Yeah, unbelievable it is so bad. It is like they are not even trying...
But on the other hand, I can't justify paying for the Parallels licence given the use I would have of it...
Yes, I develop on Mac and the VM support now sucks! vmware is not available. Even the latest Docker Engine crashs a lot.
@@mingli9563 I am a developer too. Soon after the original WWDC Apple Silicon announcement I bought a 2020 27" iMac with the 10 core i9 and the 5700XT. The user upgradable RAM slots make this an ideal machine for running VMs and Docker.
@@mingli9563, hard same! Having the same issues with Docker on my M1. :|
Think I'm just gonna use Ubuntu via Multipass.
I keep seeing the comments of "Dude, just 25 subscribers??" now I'm seeing 4k+ and def glad your channel has grown. You had me cracking up at the 12:00 mark about the resizing of the windows lol. I felt the frustration, but thanks for providing this video. Guess I need to fork up that 99 bucks
Thank you so much! I'd appreciate it if you could also check out my latest video, it's in the same style!
Parallels was the first app to install as I really needed it to work and it sure delivered. Quite awesome!
Thank you for creating such an exhaustive comparison!
How many gb or ram does your Mac have?
64 GB RAM, 2 TN harddrive
The almighty algorithm recommended this video, which usually means that an exponential growth in viewership is imminent. Congratulations!
I've gotten 60k views in a week and honestly I'm kinda losing it. Thank you!
I've been running windows 11 insider preview for ARM on UTM on a base model M1 air, and the OS itself runs really smoothly. While gaming doesn't work at all, I could run autodesk inventor (a 3D CAD program) relatively well. UTM is definitely an option for running windows apps that don't require heavy GPU usage.
btw inventor runs mainly from the CPU so that might be something to factor in.
UTM can do GPU support now! I don't know how good it is but UTM shouldn't be a problem either now!
Can you run docker inside the VM?
One thing that always pops out to me when trying to make these things work in a usable way is something you say a lot about VMware Fusion. "I just couldn't be bothered to fix the error" when performance is terrible.
Thanks for putting this together.
I'm usually the type to always try my hardest to fix any error that comes up, it gives me a very primal sense of satisfaction when I make a computer work properly. But when it comes to the average user, I want to be honest with them, and I want to show them that this needs tinkering to get it to work - I'm not going to overstate its ease of use just because I got it to work.
Great video! Even though I probably wouldn't buy M1 (or the newer Mac) but this video is still a great knowledge to have for me, because I'm interested in both the M1 architecture and virtualization tech. Keep up the good work!
If you need a stable Windows or Linux image running on your M1 Mac, spend the money and get Parallels. There really is no alternative if you consider your time is money so if you're spending it trying to tweak other solutions to work, you'd be further ahead just to get Parallels from the get-go. I've thrown many different OSs at it and it just works (on both Intel and Arm based Macs). Installation and configuration couldn't be easier. I use a lot of software every day and Parallels is in my top 3 favorite applications. VMware has always kinda been trash on the Mac (even the Intel platform). Their Mac solutions have always taken a 3rd-row seat to their PC and Enterprise products and it shows. Great video, by the way. Very thorough.
UTM also now allows you to natively tack in the linux kernel, and run it a bit smoother
samsung t7 ftw- I've rocked the same setup w my mba for the past year or so and it rocks so hard, great video man
I used Fusion for years, but the failure to roll out an ARM version forced me to switch to Parallels when I got an M1 Mini. Yeah, it costs a bit, but it simply works - and the ARM version of Win11 comes free of charge. (For now... I can imagine MS killing it remotely when they decide they want my money.)
yes, so if I want to activate the ARM version and make it "real," how to? It seems to be just a beta. Maybe I got the wrong version ?
Is there a way to upgrade the windows 11 ARM Home to Pro version?
Win 10/11 x86 can run without activation, even with updates. I doubt MS will charge for ARM version until it becomes main stream, perhaps. That won't happen for years.
I run W11 and I just reused my old key for W10 from back when I got my own first Macbook. Yeah. It simply works. There are some occasional bugs but no major right now.
Update, UTM seems to be working a lot better and smooth with Retina monitor and accelaration. So that's a plus still haven't tried Parallels as I don't want to pay for it and VMware still sucks. So my daily is UTM on an M1 MBP
After using Parallels for the past year to run Windows on the 8GB MBA, my conclusion is that it works okay. But RAM is a limiter for smooth performance, particulary at startup. I wish that I had bought the 16GB version. I would like to see how it works on the base 14" MacBook Pro (M1 Pro).
I know what you mean. I haven't had any issues on my Mac, and I'm even running it off of an external SSD as you can see in some shots, it's pretty much a matter of luck whether it'll boot fast or not. RAM is a bit of an issue especially since it has to share it with macOS but it's perfectly serviceable for my needs, especially if I'm running Linux instead of Windows.
@@KalosLikesComputers I am running UbuntuDDE on the original Lenovo X1 Carbon from 2012 that has 4GB of RAM. It runs like a dream. Windows would not and it illustrates the problem with virtualization. I bought the 8GB MBA just to see what the M1 chip and MacOS was like. Little did I know that I would like it so much that I wanted it to run ALL my software on a daily basis. The fact it can (with some occasional memory struggles), is amazing. In the rear view mirror, I am kicking myself for not getting 16GB.
@@markholle3450 Yeah, I also had an M1 air with 8gb running Windows in parallels for a while. It's usable if you only use the VM, but sucks if you wanna do anything else. Really regretted not going for 16gb, but a few days I finally got myself a 14" MBP 10-core.
It's been working great performance-wise, but it gets really hot (unlike my MBA), which is pretty annoying. And also I now regret going for 16gb and not 32gb :D As 16gb that still is not enough for heavy multitasking in both the host and VM. I think 32-gb 10-core MBP is pretty much a perfect portable workstation now, for most tasks! Just as you mentioned, I liked the M1 so much that I moved my work from a windows laptop to a VM.
I have the base 14”.
Works grt for everyday things. However, my poker games run too much CPU. I wish I got the 10 core upgrade for the add’l $250.
That's okay, M2 MBA is waiting for you!
this is the first video of yours I watch,:an old school nerd like me sharing what I need before buying a Mac M1. Thanks man, I subscribed
Great video. M2 is out and VirtualBox has a beta build for ARM out. Maybe it's time for a follow-up video? Also it's interesting which softwares that come with a API so provisioning can be automated.
Awesome content! Recently picked up an M1 Max MBP16. Happy the algorithm brought you up in my feed.
Subbed! Similar background dude. Definitely a PC man for 20+ years, now 100% Mac converted..... I know! Blasphemy!
I wouldn't say I'm converted - I still have to use Windows for many things like gaming, and I love me some Linux shenanigans, but macOS is truly one of the most comfortable operating systems I've ever used, it's just a joy to work on.
Damn, great first production quality. Subscribed without hesitation.
Great video. I will stay with UTM though, Parallels is great, but this pricing is not justified to me.
Happy this video is getting some traction. Keep up the good work
Very informative video!
Nice vid! Some months ago I discovered that VMWare Fusion Pro 13.5.2 works really good on M1 Macbook Pro, with Win 11 guest! Better and smoother than UTM in my experience, and it also runs DX11 games. (Unfortunately it does not have Docker support, so that is a parallels advantage.)
I was thinking about getting Parallels, but the pricing and cost of Windows made it cheaper to buy a computer with Windows included for 500 euro and control it with Chrome remote desktop. With 0% compatibility issues.
Interesting choice. I would argue it isn't cheaper, and you don't need to activate Windows to have pretty much full functionality. To each their own.
Imagine paying full whack for Windows lol
I don’t want to watch the video but I clicked it cus this thumbnail is actually amazing. Good job!
Thank you! I should up my thumbnail game for the rest of my channel.
Great video! 👍
I wish you would included docker as an alternative run Linux in your macbook air M1.
great, thanks, keep us posted on any improvements on M1 virtualizaions, really appreciate the hard work
Have you found a viable way of running Android through virtual machines? I tried it on Win 11 ARM but it is not supported ?
Android is actually quite different - Android Studio installs an Android emulator that does work but is very slow. QEMU might be able to run Android. UTM had a pre-build Android VM in their library but they removed it at some point. Here's the statement:
"We removed the Android pre-built images because Android does not run well on QEMU/UTM and created a lot of confusion. Advanced users can build their own Android VM from scratch but it is not recommended."
If you mean that you tried running Android apps through a Windows 11 ARM virtual machine on an M1 Mac, it relates to the issue I talk about at 1:44.
Windows 11 runs Android apps through the Windows Subsystem for Android, which is essentially a stripped down Hyper-V virtual machine. This cannot run on M1, because it would be a Layer 2 virtual machine.
I understood practically 0% of this video but I liked it, I really liked it!
What's interesting is that if you virtualize windows using the ARM it runs faster on a Mac than the ARM based windows hardware. 🤔
2:05 video hasn't started yet... Watching the video makes me feel like I am just waiting for you to finish what you are doing. It doesn't support or add to the viewing experience. I just want to know what solutions you've identified and the pros and cons. Also feels quite obvious that flaws in M1 will apply to whole M1 line up as it is the same SOC
The Chapters exist for a reason. Use them before you come at me with attitude.
I am a software engineer that deals mostly with macOS. Using VM’s particularly macOS VM’s is fairly critical to my work flow. I have found Running Guest VM’s to be total garbage on Apple Silicon. Parallels is the best tool, and was quite impressive on x86 Macs but on ARM64 Macs its really garbage and the support absolutely sucks. I have a few Apple Silicon macs for testing, but I am still using an Intel Mac as my daily driver.
At this point if an application is not available for Apple Silicon like in VMWares case, I dont expect one to ever be available. Personally I blame apple for making the hurdles too high. Which is causing application manufacturers to weigh effort/cost to get it working against the small user base of macOS and how much revenue they will receive.
You also have to remember that x86 virtualization has decades of history behind it and is extremely well-documented, whereas arm64 virtualization on any platform is a relatively new creation. We'll get there.
@@KalosLikesComputers Agreed, we will get there. In the meantime if VMs are a critical part of someones workflow they really should stick to Intel Macs for now.
@@andrewgrant788 Problem is, there are no intel macs to buy any longer besides the Mac Pro... We have customers running mini's and older macpros (the trash cans) with vCenter and we have a problem - if the hosts dies we need to drop the entire platform. They have software relying on old intel mac platforms.
But this is probably a problem so small as to be ignored totaly, who in their right mind runs mac as server and as v-hosts at that...
@@jmkhenka The Intel Mac mini is also available new and 27" iMacs are available on the refurb store. One use case for Mac Servers is CI build machines for automated testing. With Mac vHosts you can legally host MacOS. The main use case for running VMs on a Mac though are locally hosted software development and access to software that either doesn't run on MacOS or requires an older version of MacOS. I have a Mojave VM image to run old 32bit MacOS software. I also have multiple Linux VMs and Docker.
Great! I was looking for a comparative content like yours! compliments!
what a great vid on virtualization. i went thru most of this myself, and as a PD user on macs since day 1, it does seem to be the only way to run windows on my M1 mini. And yes, the pricing is the worst feature - outrageous! 🇺🇦Slava Ukraini🌻
Congrats on 104k views man!
Piracy is always morally correct.
Bro, that VMWare Fusion feedback was HILARIOUS!!!!!!🤣💦💦💦💦💦💦💦 I'm glad you did this video because I had just watched a video on "MaxTech" about them using "Parallels" for a VM to use Windows 11 for Gaming and I wasn't impressed, especially with the price that Parallels was charging!!! You made some pretty valid points and because of that....I'm a little more convinced in using Parallels. I've used "Boot Camp" only one other time previously on a Mac I had and it worked ok. I was just researching whether Parallels is the "best" alternative for running Virtual Machines and you've pretty much answered my question. Thanks.
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No shot you had 0 subs when making this, it’s a FANTASTIC video !!!
Great Video. I'm a long time user of VMware Fusion on x86-64 and was curious about this. Thanks
Great job on these reviews of VMs!
For a first video this quality crazy good
As many others I see a bright future for your channel. Subscribed. Really good video man. Can’t wait to hear you say “this video is sponsored by this doubtful brand” haha. Cheers!
Man, I thought you had way way more videos on your channel. But instead only two with this one stupidly well edited? WTF? Great job, take my sub
They're on their way! Finals season is kicking my ass a bit. Two videos are in the works!
I am happy this video got recommended....you deserve more subs
I'm also happy this video is getting recommended to people! It's my first video of this kind, I'm hoping to just unapologetically be a nerd on this channel.
@@KalosLikesComputers Best Wishes Bro :)
Many thanks for this! Saved me so much trouble!
Any chance of a revisit?
Man, you’re growing fast. Great job with the video!
Immediate sub! Can’t wait to see what you come up with in the future!
14:05 How to get the same effect as your upper left window?
It's a terminal app called cmatrix!
I am a Mac user since the very early 2000s. I've used Parallels Desktop and VMware Fusion a few times. But I got fed up about buying a new license every year on Parallels. Long story short, I finally bought an Intel NUC pc and installed Proxmox VM on it (open source virtualization software build on Debian Linux). Admiralty, it does help to have some basic knowledge on Linux. However, you don't have to know a whole lot about Linux, in my opinion.
Anyway. here is why I went for Proxmox on the Intel NUC. I can run multiple vm's to virtualize Windows (al though I use that rarely) and other operation systems for several reasons. This is my practice. My Mac Studio is my daily driver and I use it in my study room. In another room of my house I have the Intel NUC running, without a mouse, keyboard and monitor. It is wired connected to my router access point. From my Mac Studio desktop I control the Intel NUC through the Proxmox web-interface. As long you don't need to game and so on it works perfectly smooth. I installed Home Assistant on it to controle my home's smart devices. Run Pi-hole, a wiki page, Volumio audio player (free opensource audio player with Airplay functionality).
One of the the great advantages of my setup is that when I want to experiment something I just copy the VM that I want to use for my experiment. If I screw it up then I just kill the screwed up VM and grab back to earlier version of that same VM.
Wow, you're almost at 10k subs! Nice work
Would love to see a follow-up to this video
Great video! I'm using VMware fusion for an heavy Debian linux vm and it works very well. no problems and I stress it a lot
Excellent and well scripted video, I subbed!
Great help... waiting for this for a long time..
I had to double check just to make sure this wasn’t a knock off channel reuploding somebody else’s video.. damn such an amazing video. You clearly deserve more subs. Way more subs for sure.
LOL! Thank you!
@@KalosLikesComputers Is it even possible to work with a linux platform and windows 11 simultaneously in any of this software on base variant Macbook air? How is the RAM Management
@@techcraft111 Yeah, it's possible on either UTM or Parallels, or pretty much anything that can run virtual machines. The RAM management really depends on how much RAM you've given each VM and how much RAM your Mac has. With the 8GB MacBook Air, I've run a Linux and a Windows VM at the same time, each being entitled to 4GB of RAM, but Parallels doesn't let the system run out of memory unless you explicitly tell it to.
Your video was so nice to watch and listen to. Subbed!
Great video!!! It is the best that information that I have seen
That was a great video!! Parallels is the best one I have used and works very well.
exactly the information I was looking for :D my workflow depends on virtual linux machines, and I really want to get an M1 series thing. Good stuff
Thank you for that overview.
UTM does support native hypervisor and GPU now! Although it's still in early stages.
Which version?
@@KalosLikesComputers the latest! There will be an option to choose Apple Hypervisor. I remembered I had trouble enabling gui when using Apple hypervisor but it should be solvable. And gpu support is also there but only limited to Linux.
Thank you. TNice tutorials is really helpful. Much respect
Great job man! Can't wait for the next!
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Awesome, explained well. Thanks dear!!
love your video and thanks for not supporting piracy of parallels software
and your video quality is an excellent just post more videos frequently for growth
love this video bro
Excellent review & guide! I was choosing btw UTM and Parallels. Thank you for pointing out that UTM is emulaion rather than real virtualization. I guess, I just have to shell out some cash for Parallels. I had high hope for VMware, what a disappointment.
UTM is virtualization as long as you're running an arm64 OS!
👍 great coverage of the topic. The QEMU content was particularly interesting for me. I’ll have to give it a try
Vmware fusion is probably the best solution long term when ready
Thank you. You answered all my question. Legend
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Beast vid!
Multipass is where I ended up. I have found some limitations, but it's lightweight and does what I need for now.
Great video. It told everything I wanted to know