Thank you for the call out! I'm Todd Boyce, the original designer of the ship. As you mentioned I drew the original picture back in 2001, and eventually gave permission to Steve Wilson to make a 3d model of the ship for his personal fan artwork. Sometime thereafter, a freelance artist working for the BSG production had gotten a hold of the model and threw it in with a bunch of other rag tag fleet ships (I don't know if he did some remodeling or not on the original model), I guess as an easter egg and nod to the original series. This was not done with my permission, and no one ever contacted me regarding this. I discovered that it was used while watching the show, which irked me at the time. As the production company that did the effects for BSG also worked on the Firefly movie, it was thrown in as a reaver ship as well. There actually a better scene involving it in the movie, as the firefly flies past it and it's pretty large in frame behind it. By the way, I'm sad to say that Steve Wilson passed away some years ago. He was a great person and the BSG community is at a loss without him.
Ain't that a damn shame. It might be scant comfort, but I think you developed quite the vessel there. I've always loved the arrow head shaped ships, as opposed to the dagger shapes a la the I.S.D.
Worth noting for those who might not be aware: a Firefly-class ship also cameos in the pilot miniseries of Battlestar Galactica, so the design swap goes both ways.
Also I've heard a theory that could explain the tv show inconsistencies is that there are two defenders in the fleet one with a pod and one without one. This theory makes sense to me because I remember seeing a defender after the Adriatic was destroyed, and originally I thought this video's theory about the Adriatic being a defender was wrong. Until I watched this video again and looked up images of the defender(s) among the civilian fleet with and without the flight pods, and everything seems to line up with the two defenders theory.
It looks like a semi-decommissioned early Battlestar remnant converted to hospital or logistical maintenance use. As a veterans administration asset it might be loaded with many retirees or other infirm people who could not easily be relocated or evicted on short notice. As they were on the run re-configuring everyone's living arrangements wouldn't be a high priority task. And if it had been used for something entirely un-military for very long bringing it back up to speed would probably not be worth the time and resources to do so.
Something I always wondered as I watched both the 1978 series as a kid and the remake as an adult. The Galactica had considerable materiel manufacturing capabilities. They could repair and replace Vipers, repair and rearm the Galactica. Why didn't they take two or three of the most capable civilian ships and upgrade their sensors, engines, and armor and install missile and laser turrets? Maybe even a few Vipers tucked away for emergencies. Make a kind of support frigate to assist the big ship. Might have made a big difference protecting the defenseless fleet.
Thank you so much for doing a video on this ship! I've wanted to see something about this ship for so long now and it's nice to know that my own fan theory of the ship being the Adriatic is a common theory among other fans of BSG. Something interesting is that despite the ship being "Lost" you could assume that it may have jumped away, it would have been lost though shortly after with the skeleton crew onboard and no supplies assuming it did jump away. Though this does bring up a consistency error, if it was indeed a former military ship, it should be able to withstand the effects better than the other ships like Galactica was able to, then again being refit I guess it makes sense that it lacked the insulation required.
That asset (D4 Defender) is used several times in serenity. I watched the movie in theaters for an anniversary showing about five years ago and couldn't help but to notice them. If you watch the scene where the serenity drifts through the reaver ship grave yard it appears in large numbers in the background.
Very well done design! The sleek hull makes it look nimble and aggressive with its huge engines conveying speed even while standing still. It's a beaut!
@@Stinger913 In the last establishing shot of the miniseries, you can see the constitution-class enterprise in the very back of the colonial fleet, near the top right of the screen.
I know it isn't much but I'd live to see Spacedock browse through the many Battlestar Galactica line arts done by the late David 'CanisD' Bredis and pick out a number of his favorites.
3:21 " Clearly this was some kind of easily accessed CG asset at this point that was being used quite a bit. " Or---- BSG takes place before firefly- and humanity found a ship like that and decided to construct new ships like it in the 22nd,23rd,24th, or any other century. Or- the CG modelers in firefly did just get a little lazy...
@@Janoha17 what if a ship of that fleet left the main due to a malfunction induced by some sort of temporal distortion, going back in time to kobol, founding kobol's tribe 6000 years after, the fleet find the Verse in place of new Caprica
The ships also appears in the episode Crossroad part 2, you get a nice shot of the aft section of the ship when they make the jump and clearly see the flight pod under it.
It could be a surplus ship from the Cylon war kept spaceworthy as a training ship like the germand Gorch Fock sailing ship - or a replica of a design used during the Cylon war owned by a billionaire (or whatever order of magniture-aire you'd need to be to privatelly own a starship). Anyways, have an upvote because I totally missed that ship in the episode.
Funny they have this ship in the fleet. I was writing a fan fiction where a smaller colonial warship arrives named the Anubis. Admiral Adama and colonel Ty are the only ones old enough to know her backstory, She was part of a militia fleet formed during the first Cylon war by civilian colonists to defend themselves when the colonial fleet was unable to do so. After the conflict ended , despite their contribution, this fleet and its civilian crews were not recognized by the colonial government and not only denied them acknowledgment for their efforts as well as any post-war support but also demanded they disband and disarm. Having suffered great losses during the war and suddenly be cast aside, some of the ships went rogue, essentially becoming pirates and smugglers, the Anubis in particular was one of the most famous of these ships as was her captain, Samuel Osiris. When the Anubis makes contact with Galactica it is found that the ship is in the command of Osiris' son and has an entire community made up of the crew and their families onboard. Things get a little crazy when Captain Osiris' first mate goes over his head and kidnaps President Roslyn and demands Galactica surrender its FTL drive, believing that if they leave Galactica and the fleet to their fate, the Cylons will stop pursuing and they can finally stop living in constant fear. Osiris with Apollo's help manage to end the mutiny and the Anubis helps Galactica repel a cylon attack. In the aftermath the decision has to be made regarding the crew off the Anubis as most of them don't consider themselves part of the colonies anymore and value their community's independence. In the end the decision is made that the Anubis and its community are under the authority of captain Osiris as before but Osiris agrees to become an officer of the colonial fleet under Adama's command. The Anubis' role moving forward would be for scouting missions and to protect the civilian ships when the Galactica is engaged in battle. Ultimately the Anubis would be destroyed later on when Osiris (having evacuated his people) rams her into a resurrection ship, in the aftermath despite some difficulties, Roslyn manages to convince the survivors form the Anubis to stay and become colonial citizens again and Captain Osiris along with everyone who served in the militia fleet in both the first cylon war and the second are recognized and honored in death.
Daniel, Thanks for pointing out this cool BSG background ship. I agree that it's a shame the Defender class was destroyed before it could be a real asset to humanity. Also, I fully support more videos on obscure or kitbash ships.
IIRC the codex entry in Deadlock states that these were originally civilian ships which were refitted for military use during the first Cylon war. Flight pods were added so that they could deploy Raptors carrying marines for boarding operations. So it makes sense that there would still be some civilian models out there without the flight pod, such as the Adriatic. In the game they're a great support ship, especially for a fleet group which focuses on fighters. I was able to field a full 20 squadrons by using one Jupiter Mk II, five Atlas carriers, and one Defender, which fills out the entire 8000 fleet point cap quite nicely.
This ship is actually in a BSG gameplay Mod for the game Homeworld. I have played it many times. If I’m not mistaken they had to stop developing the mod for legal purposes, but it’s still available for the game in the Steam community. The mod has a few bugs, but the scenarios that do work are well worth a play. Thanks for all you do. Check it out if you can the Mod features some awesome BSG ships. I’d be so pleased if you covered them. They round out the fleet in a very practical way.
well battlestar galactica fleet commander does not work anymore,it crashes on fresh homeworld2 install either.,do you know other bsg mods for thi game or the ship was ripped out of bsg mod and plugged into another hw2 bsg mod?
I noticed a couple of them in Serenity orbiting Miranda too & a Firefly is seen landing on Caprica in the mini-series of BSG, tbh with the way the tech works in both shows crossovers would be very possible.
I would love to see more videos on obscure background ships in the future! Also, apparently another one of Todd's designs, the "ranger" class also made it into the BSG reboot.
The weird part about the ship is the split spine. In can understand the engine pods being split for redundancy (similar to how the engines on the A-10 were widely separated to prevent a single missile taking both out, or debris from one wrecking the other) but splitting the spine of the ship just looks like they've created a weak point in the structure, and it's a lot of wasted space.
I'm glad this ship was given some justice in BSG: Deadlock. It is used as a Support Frigate where damaged Squadrons can R&R and as a Marine "staging ground" that can deploy reinforcements to both boarded enemy ships and allied alike. It is equiped with Medium Cannons and Point Defense weaponry. It's always good to have one of these around in your Carrier based Fleet
I would love to see more videos like this. Star trek has a whole host of ships like this we see in the background once ore maybe a handful of times. :D
The theory of its destruction is very reasonable and would make a lot of sense as to why the Demetrius was used except for one glaring issue. When the fleet arrives at the first earth the Defender is seen right behind the Galactica with her underslung flight pod. Which really makes you question as to why it’s never used at all. Edit: It’s in the very last episode in the background as galactica is jumping away to the colony. My guess is the writers completely forgot they had it and stuck with it
Thinking back through this, the design may not actually be a "warship" but a fleet tender craft. The pod being for additional cargo and storage with the intention being to move supplies to the various fleets, possibly along with troops and personel in the process. Having some basic point defense would make sense for the ships since they would be entering and leaving potentially hostile territory for their resupply runs...and it would also make sense for them to be easily refitted as a civilian ship when in peacetime...even continuing production of them for civilian shipping
Say the Adriatic was in fact a military ship with advanced military systems on board, maybe that's how it was lucky enough to be one of the few to survive the initial attack and make it to Ragnar.
@@AlexSDU Probably a combination of being relatively old and comparatively big for it's time. Age alone can't be the deciding factor, since older Battlestars like the Artemis have fixed pods, too. After the war, newer and even bigger Battlestars like the Mercury-class had no need for it anymore thanks to advancements in technology (better jump drives, salvaged from Cylons? Who knows.). So the retractable flight pods of the Jupiter-class seems to be a necessary compromise, when the Colonies desperately tried to build a bigger, more powerful Battlestar but didn't have the technology to fully support their ambitions.
@@jonashemmingsson7301 You mean, you don't know why the Galactica has to retract her flight pods at all or you don't know why the Galactica has to do it but no other (known) type of Battlestar? To answer the first question: The in-universe explanations is, that the Jupiter-class Battlestars are too massive for its own jump drive. It's not "strong" enough to "envelop" the entire ship (i don't think it's ever explained, how exactly Jump drives in the BSG-universe work) and safely jump them from A to B. The Jupiter-class Battlestars have to retract their pods in order to reduce their profile/cross section or would otherwise suffer severe structural damage. The second question is already answered above - at least following my head canon: Artemis and Minerva don't have to, because they're smaller. Mercury, while bigger, has no need for it thanks to a more advanced jump drive.
During the initial pilot when Laura Roseline is in the doctor's office on Caprica you see a vessel that is identical to the one in Firefly through the skylight. They used a lot of other ship designs in the fleet. Even the Constitution class from Star trek makes a cameo.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail for this I recognized it and hoped that you referenced Todd! I was a giant fan of B5 Wars and remembered his gaming site from back in the day. If I remember correctly that blurb in green at the bottom was replaced with "Is undeniably cannon" and had a screen shot from BSG when the episode aired, but the site version still around is an older archive version. No idea if they talked to him
I think this design was also an inspiration for one of the cover arts on the Battlestar Prometheus fan made book/written story. Very good read, definitely would recommend, even kinda ties the loose ends for everyone who hated the later spiritual and metaphorical stuff and ending.
Call of duty Infinite warfare has some very interesting ship designs. I know it isn't what this channel usually covers, the the UNSA Retribution and UNSA Tigris especially have some very interesting and well though out designs. The ships really embody what you would expect that the UNSA (the earth based protagonists) would need out of its spacecraft and what humanity may want out of its naval spaceships in 50 to 100 years similar in a lot of ways to SYFY's The Expanse. It would be interesting to see an evaluation of the Retribution as a carrier class ship and the Tigris as a destroyer. The SDF (the Mars based antagonists) also have some interesting ship designs that would be really cool to look at. Overall, despite the bad rap that this game gets, the campaign really has a lot of really great and well thought out content. I highly recommend that you look into this.
Perhaps she was built to merchant ship standards like the IRL Kongo class DDGs (Japan's version of the US Arleigh Burke-class destroyers) and wasn't suitable for a more extensive refit as a full up warship. Perhaps she was built as some kind of armed courier ship, or was a raider used by some less than legitimate organization that survived the Cylon attack. I can see a lot of reason why she might not be used.
In the side view of the ship, the flight pod could have been retracted. If is old as the Galactica, I'd assume that it would have this capability to close the front end of the pod. It would be nice to have a definitive answer from someone in the know.
Was re-watching BSG for the unkownth time, and in Season 2 Episode 18 'Downloaded,' in the last 30 second of the episode before credits, the Defender could be seen, just above a Celestra class ship with a Colonial Mover to the right of it.
Hey spacedock since you're a fan of both franchises what would happen if earth alliance and the 12 colonies meet 3 years before the earth mimbar war and the second cylon war
the colonies would easily win, if you meant it as a confrontation. if just like a discovery: well the colonies would welcome the 13th tribe back, but it is likely that earth would refuse to fall under colonial jurisdiction, probably forming 2 separate countries that do trade and have a military alliance.
The Earth Alliance would probably be veeeeery wary of any claims that the Earth is in fact a lost colony of a big extraterrestrial government. Remember, that's exactly what the Centauri claimed when they made first contact with Earth around the 2150s. So depending on the Colonies' stance on reunification the Earth Alliance could be very suspicious of their long lost brothers and sisters.
@@Nekerfree I think that the Earth Force B5 ships would have a much bigger advantage of the Galactica ships, at lest when it come to capital ships. Those things are beasts by the time of the start of the show, plasma blots, particle beam and high yield laser weapon systems would cut the Colonials capital ships to ribbons before they could even get into range. Viper vs Starfury, now that's another matter, but my money would be on the Starfury due to the insane turn rate that ship can pull. Now I know the Viper is no slouch with its turning rate but the Starfury does have huge rts thrusters and gyro assist. The one thing the Colonials have is their FTL drives, as far as I can tell it is instantaneous, hit the button and ping, new area of space afew to a hundred light years away, this alone could be useful tactic with their capital ships. Jump in, take out a target, jump out. but as for toe to toe combat, Earth Force would win in a straight up slog fest. At lest that is what I think :)
@@Nekerfree if you mean that the cylons would be easily defeated by the colonials and Earth Alliance... alliance then sure I can agree with that. However if you mean that Colonials are supposed to win some sort of... confrontation with Earth from Babylon 5 then my only question is "wut XD" ? EDIT: also Mimbari still steam roll them both but this should not be a surprise for anyone who knows both of this verses and this particular factions in them.
it has a nice in-universe Frame, I would love to see this ship in Deadlock for sure. Perhaps something bridging the gap between the manticore and the ranger.
I love the fact that you used one of the late CanisD's drawing of the Defender, I really like his artwork to show off the ship. Question will you ever do a video about the Battlestar Prometheus from the fanfiction written by Ryan A Keeton? I know its fanfiction, but its a really good ship.
Wait.... Daniel. Would we like to see strange and unusal background ships? ...Your channel name is Spacedock. I expect ALL the ships!!!!!!!! Bring em on, man!!!!!!! XD
Found the defender in the backgrounds of "The Passage" and "Maelstrom", which means it might not be the Adriatic after all? It also appeared to have the underslung flight pod intact in both shots.
I think it's a real stretch to say that this "mystery" ship was used in FIREFLY. The ship we see in FIRELFY is too stubby in size to be the Adriatic, which is much longer in size than the ship seen at 3:22 in this video. but, look for Serenity in the miniseries when Laura Roslin is waiting for her doctor to come in and tell her she's dying of cancer.
It was not the Adriatic. It was seen again in the season 3 finale "Crossroads". When the fleet jumps into the Ionian Nebula, the Defender is there. It loses power and bumps off the hull off of one of the other ships.
Speaking of weird background ships... that Corellian freighter at the Battle of Sector 001. I suspect it must arrived due to some sort of strange interaction between the borg transwarp corridor and the temporal device used by the sphere to transport it forward in time from a distant galaxy.
I'm not too convinced this ship was the Adriatic. This ship can be seen in the fleet all the up until Daybreak, and was amongst the ships that jumped to Earth at the end.
I would like to point out that the Battlestars themselves are good examples of Colonial Fleet taking a known good ship design and scaling it both up and down for explicit uses. Me thinks from the Defender, of which the larger looks very much like a Janus on weight-watchers and the smaller being a Civilian Yach kit-bash as you said, that this is the case. Another but related mode of thought would place it like the AR-15 equivalent being something a Civilian can own, but you did cover that already eloquently, like a retired military officer rebuilding a Yach to look like his old deployment ship, also most likely a catastrophe prepper who "would" be the first to get out.
The colonial defender can be seen in BSG in the last episode of Season 3, when the fleet jumps into the nebula. So it can't be the Adriatic as we can see the Colonial defender after the Adriatic was lost.
Thank you for the call out! I'm Todd Boyce, the original designer of the ship. As you mentioned I drew the original picture back in 2001, and eventually gave permission to Steve Wilson to make a 3d model of the ship for his personal fan artwork.
Sometime thereafter, a freelance artist working for the BSG production had gotten a hold of the model and threw it in with a bunch of other rag tag fleet ships (I don't know if he did some remodeling or not on the original model), I guess as an easter egg and nod to the original series. This was not done with my permission, and no one ever contacted me regarding this. I discovered that it was used while watching the show, which irked me at the time.
As the production company that did the effects for BSG also worked on the Firefly movie, it was thrown in as a reaver ship as well. There actually a better scene involving it in the movie, as the firefly flies past it and it's pretty large in frame behind it.
By the way, I'm sad to say that Steve Wilson passed away some years ago. He was a great person and the BSG community is at a loss without him.
Love ur ship :p
Ain't that a damn shame. It might be scant comfort, but I think you developed quite the vessel there. I've always loved the arrow head shaped ships, as opposed to the dagger shapes a la the I.S.D.
Did someone reach out to you here or do you regularly watch Spacedock, I wonder
I love the bow lines of the ship you built. Very reminiscent of the original series Galactica.
Hobbs from sci-fi meshes.com?
Worth noting for those who might not be aware: a Firefly-class ship also cameos in the pilot miniseries of Battlestar Galactica, so the design swap goes both ways.
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Another cameo is the GDI Kodiak from Command and Conquer also shows up
@@SuicideNeil Holy Schmit! Good eye.
On the battlestar galactica there's a door with the enterprise d registry mumber on it www.eeggs.com/items/52674.html
Awesome Easter eggs.
Very useful ship in BSG: Deadlock's "Ghost Fleet Offensive" expansion.
I checked It's about a little over half of a jupiter class.
Also I've heard a theory that could explain the tv show inconsistencies is that there are two defenders in the fleet one with a pod and one without one.
This theory makes sense to me because I remember seeing a defender after the Adriatic was destroyed, and originally I thought this video's theory about the Adriatic being a defender was wrong. Until I watched this video again and looked up images of the defender(s) among the civilian fleet with and without the flight pods, and everything seems to line up with the two defenders theory.
I love that Wolf's Shipyard has been coming up in so many videos lately. Really awesome ships designs there.
Watching Templin Institute premiere and new Spacedock episode simultaneously. I have ascended
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Templin has disappointed me by turning into another warhammer channel.
@@Manuelomar2001 yeah it has been war hammer centric lately. Hopefully they return to their roots soon.
The Terran Union forever!
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This is exactly why I watch this channel! Cool details about rare spaceships
It looks like a semi-decommissioned early Battlestar remnant converted to hospital or logistical maintenance use. As a veterans administration asset it might be loaded with many retirees or other infirm people who could not easily be relocated or evicted on short notice. As they were on the run re-configuring everyone's living arrangements wouldn't be a high priority task. And if it had been used for something entirely un-military for very long bringing it back up to speed would probably not be worth the time and resources to do so.
What about the Serenity that you can see flying over Caprica as Roslyn sees her Doctor and is told about her cancer for the first time?
I assume you mean firefly class.
Jack Evans The only firefly class ever seen is the serenity
Fracking Toasters killed them too
Something I always wondered as I watched both the 1978 series as a kid and the remake as an adult. The Galactica had considerable materiel manufacturing capabilities. They could repair and replace Vipers, repair and rearm the Galactica. Why didn't they take two or three of the most capable civilian ships and upgrade their sensors, engines, and armor and install missile and laser turrets? Maybe even a few Vipers tucked away for emergencies. Make a kind of support frigate to assist the big ship. Might have made a big difference protecting the defenseless fleet.
so as to not turn a civilian ship into a military one? idk that's my only guess
Thank you so much for doing a video on this ship! I've wanted to see something about this ship for so long now and it's nice to know that my own fan theory of the ship being the Adriatic is a common theory among other fans of BSG. Something interesting is that despite the ship being "Lost" you could assume that it may have jumped away, it would have been lost though shortly after with the skeleton crew onboard and no supplies assuming it did jump away. Though this does bring up a consistency error, if it was indeed a former military ship, it should be able to withstand the effects better than the other ships like Galactica was able to, then again being refit I guess it makes sense that it lacked the insulation required.
"I would love to see this ship show up in Battlestar deadlock or somesuch one day"
Wish granted !!
Zantiu-Braun was about to check this out. Curious if the Defender has the underslang hanger in game. It is a marine frigate afterall.
@@werty1160 Well if you look closely at the dlc Steam page screenshots, the hangar is at his place, true to the Boyce original concept.
Zantiu-Braun wow! That was too small to notice for me
Yes! Cover more obscure background ships please. Very interesting and sometimes I'm curious or wanting to know about these ships. Great work!
That asset (D4 Defender) is used several times in serenity. I watched the movie in theaters for an anniversary showing about five years ago and couldn't help but to notice them. If you watch the scene where the serenity drifts through the reaver ship grave yard it appears in large numbers in the background.
Very well done design! The sleek hull makes it look nimble and aggressive with its huge engines conveying speed even while standing still. It's a beaut!
A pity they never made use of that constitution class ship they had in the fleet...
Wait what
@@Stinger913 In the last establishing shot of the miniseries, you can see the constitution-class enterprise in the very back of the colonial fleet, near the top right of the screen.
@@admiralthrawnbar4899 there's also a hatch painted with the designation "1701-D" in an episode
@@t.morris5303 and colonial ones code is NCC-1701
The initial shot reminded me of the SDF-1 .
I know it isn't much but I'd live to see Spacedock browse through the many Battlestar Galactica line arts done by the late David 'CanisD' Bredis and pick out a number of his favorites.
I'm just re watching BSG and realized this ship appears when the fleet jumps to the original Earth
Bruh, this video was EVERYTHING!!! Great job!!
3:21 " Clearly this was some kind of easily accessed CG asset at this point that was being used quite a bit. "
Or---- BSG takes place before firefly- and humanity found a ship like that and decided to construct new ships like it in the 22nd,23rd,24th, or any other century.
Or- the CG modelers in firefly did just get a little lazy...
What if the colonials were a splinter from the fleet that fled Earth-That-Was, founding the Twelve Colonies.
@@Janoha17 what if a ship of that fleet left the main due to a malfunction induced by some sort of temporal distortion, going back in time to kobol, founding kobol's tribe
6000 years after, the fleet find the Verse in place of new Caprica
That side view makes it look a lot like the SDF 1.
The ships also appears in the episode Crossroad part 2, you get a nice shot of the aft section of the ship when they make the jump and clearly see the flight pod under it.
It could be a surplus ship from the Cylon war kept spaceworthy as a training ship like the germand Gorch Fock sailing ship - or a replica of a design used during the Cylon war owned by a billionaire (or whatever order of magniture-aire you'd need to be to privatelly own a starship).
Anyways, have an upvote because I totally missed that ship in the episode.
it's what their version of Elon Musk upgraded to after his car got wrecked by an asteroid
You even see a firefly when Laura is getting the update about her cancer on Caprica.
Funny they have this ship in the fleet. I was writing a fan fiction where a smaller colonial warship arrives named the Anubis. Admiral Adama and colonel Ty are the only ones old enough to know her backstory, She was part of a militia fleet formed during the first Cylon war by civilian colonists to defend themselves when the colonial fleet was unable to do so. After the conflict ended , despite their contribution, this fleet and its civilian crews were not recognized by the colonial government and not only denied them acknowledgment for their efforts as well as any post-war support but also demanded they disband and disarm. Having suffered great losses during the war and suddenly be cast aside, some of the ships went rogue, essentially becoming pirates and smugglers, the Anubis in particular was one of the most famous of these ships as was her captain, Samuel Osiris. When the Anubis makes contact with Galactica it is found that the ship is in the command of Osiris' son and has an entire community made up of the crew and their families onboard. Things get a little crazy when Captain Osiris' first mate goes over his head and kidnaps President Roslyn and demands Galactica surrender its FTL drive, believing that if they leave Galactica and the fleet to their fate, the Cylons will stop pursuing and they can finally stop living in constant fear. Osiris with Apollo's help manage to end the mutiny and the Anubis helps Galactica repel a cylon attack. In the aftermath the decision has to be made regarding the crew off the Anubis as most of them don't consider themselves part of the colonies anymore and value their community's independence. In the end the decision is made that the Anubis and its community are under the authority of captain Osiris as before but Osiris agrees to become an officer of the colonial fleet under Adama's command. The Anubis' role moving forward would be for scouting missions and to protect the civilian ships when the Galactica is engaged in battle. Ultimately the Anubis would be destroyed later on when Osiris (having evacuated his people) rams her into a resurrection ship, in the aftermath despite some difficulties, Roslyn manages to convince the survivors form the Anubis to stay and become colonial citizens again and Captain Osiris along with everyone who served in the militia fleet in both the first cylon war and the second are recognized and honored in death.
Daniel,
Thanks for pointing out this cool BSG background ship. I agree that it's a shame the Defender class was destroyed before it could be a real asset to humanity.
Also, I fully support more videos on obscure or kitbash ships.
Another well created and interesting video! Please keep the obsure-spaceship lore coming this way!!
IIRC the codex entry in Deadlock states that these were originally civilian ships which were refitted for military use during the first Cylon war. Flight pods were added so that they could deploy Raptors carrying marines for boarding operations. So it makes sense that there would still be some civilian models out there without the flight pod, such as the Adriatic. In the game they're a great support ship, especially for a fleet group which focuses on fighters. I was able to field a full 20 squadrons by using one Jupiter Mk II, five Atlas carriers, and one Defender, which fills out the entire 8000 fleet point cap quite nicely.
Seeing a BSG ship in Seranity seams like a tribute seeing a the firefly ship was in Ep1 of BSG.
This ship is actually in a BSG gameplay Mod for the game Homeworld. I have played it many times. If I’m not mistaken they had to stop developing the mod for legal purposes, but it’s still available for the game in the Steam community. The mod has a few bugs, but the scenarios that do work are well worth a play. Thanks for all you do. Check it out if you can the Mod features some awesome BSG ships. I’d be so pleased if you covered them. They round out the fleet in a very practical way.
well battlestar galactica fleet commander does not work anymore,it crashes on fresh homeworld2 install either.,do you know other bsg mods for thi game or the ship was ripped out of bsg mod and plugged into another hw2 bsg mod?
The assets for it are/were used for a BSG mod for Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion.
I noticed a couple of them in Serenity orbiting Miranda too & a Firefly is seen landing on Caprica in the mini-series of BSG, tbh with the way the tech works in both shows crossovers would be very possible.
I love the premise of doing obscure background ships! More please!
I enjoyed this vid very much. Thank you!
I would love to see more videos on obscure background ships in the future! Also, apparently another one of Todd's designs, the "ranger" class also made it into the BSG reboot.
The weird part about the ship is the split spine. In can understand the engine pods being split for redundancy (similar to how the engines on the A-10 were widely separated to prevent a single missile taking both out, or debris from one wrecking the other) but splitting the spine of the ship just looks like they've created a weak point in the structure, and it's a lot of wasted space.
I'm glad this ship was given some justice in BSG: Deadlock.
It is used as a Support Frigate where damaged Squadrons can R&R and as a Marine "staging ground" that can deploy reinforcements to both boarded enemy ships and allied alike.
It is equiped with Medium Cannons and Point Defense weaponry.
It's always good to have one of these around in your Carrier based Fleet
The Adriatic is a Battlestar kitbash and looks very functional. 👽💚
I would love to see more videos like this. Star trek has a whole host of ships like this we see in the background once ore maybe a handful of times. :D
The theory of its destruction is very reasonable and would make a lot of sense as to why the Demetrius was used except for one glaring issue.
When the fleet arrives at the first earth the Defender is seen right behind the Galactica with her underslung flight pod. Which really makes you question as to why it’s never used at all.
Edit: It’s in the very last episode in the background as galactica is jumping away to the colony. My guess is the writers completely forgot they had it and stuck with it
So glad you covered this! it has bothered me since that episode that what looked to be another warship was in the fleet.
cg kit bash is an interesting phrase and it never occurred to me to be a practical way to design one off ships. Great analysis.
I really appreciate your work! It brilliant!!!
how is the sojourn going?? can't wait to jump into it
Same here.
Thinking back through this, the design may not actually be a "warship" but a fleet tender craft. The pod being for additional cargo and storage with the intention being to move supplies to the various fleets, possibly along with troops and personel in the process. Having some basic point defense would make sense for the ships since they would be entering and leaving potentially hostile territory for their resupply runs...and it would also make sense for them to be easily refitted as a civilian ship when in peacetime...even continuing production of them for civilian shipping
Just seeing that clip from firefly. Would be very interesting to see some vids on alliance spaceships from serenity and firefly.
I adore kitbash ships. They can get super creative. Love your content homie.
Say the Adriatic was in fact a military ship with advanced military systems on board, maybe that's how it was lucky enough to be one of the few to survive the initial attack and make it to Ragnar.
1:30 Look reaaaaal good in Space Engineers
if its like a most battlestars...wouldnt the launch area be slightly retractable...for FTL or if not in use...
In fact, most Battlestars don't have retractable flight pods. Jupiter-Class/Galactica-Type Battlestars are quite unique in that regard.
Maybe only old model that require the retractable pods when going FTL. Peggy Sue don't have that feature for her pods.
@@AlexSDU Probably a combination of being relatively old and comparatively big for it's time. Age alone can't be the deciding factor, since older Battlestars like the Artemis have fixed pods, too. After the war, newer and even bigger Battlestars like the Mercury-class had no need for it anymore thanks to advancements in technology (better jump drives, salvaged from Cylons? Who knows.). So the retractable flight pods of the Jupiter-class seems to be a necessary compromise, when the Colonies desperately tried to build a bigger, more powerful Battlestar but didn't have the technology to fully support their ambitions.
@@Seth90 Well, I'm honestly not sure why the Jupiter has retractable flight pods, considering that the Artemis and Minerva both have fixed flight pods
@@jonashemmingsson7301 You mean, you don't know why the Galactica has to retract her flight pods at all or you don't know why the Galactica has to do it but no other (known) type of Battlestar?
To answer the first question: The in-universe explanations is, that the Jupiter-class Battlestars are too massive for its own jump drive. It's not "strong" enough to "envelop" the entire ship (i don't think it's ever explained, how exactly Jump drives in the BSG-universe work) and safely jump them from A to B. The Jupiter-class Battlestars have to retract their pods in order to reduce their profile/cross section or would otherwise suffer severe structural damage.
The second question is already answered above - at least following my head canon: Artemis and Minerva don't have to, because they're smaller. Mercury, while bigger, has no need for it thanks to a more advanced jump drive.
Good looking ship. Thank you!
I saw this ship in a Homeworld 2 mod. Functioned like a frigate/corvette that provided additional flak/protection to the fleet.
U mean flak frigate?
Max Payne Basically, but a much smaller Battlestar guns
Yup, more obscure ships please!
Do the Command and Conquer Kodiak! It appears in the final fleet battle also in Battlestar Galatica ;)
During the initial pilot when Laura Roseline is in the doctor's office on Caprica you see a vessel that is identical to the one in Firefly through the skylight. They used a lot of other ship designs in the fleet. Even the Constitution class from Star trek makes a cameo.
Amazing you managed to find the original creator and finally give him credit, great video and great research
As soon as I saw the thumbnail for this I recognized it and hoped that you referenced Todd! I was a giant fan of B5 Wars and remembered his gaming site from back in the day. If I remember correctly that blurb in green at the bottom was replaced with "Is undeniably cannon" and had a screen shot from BSG when the episode aired, but the site version still around is an older archive version. No idea if they talked to him
This reminds me of the Kodiak from Command and Conquer: Tiberian Sun. It appeared at the end of BSG as part of the civilian fleet.
I laughed loud when I saw it, imagining that Kane was actually the Mastermind behind "THE PLAN".
It’s in a Deadlock DLC, it was marine support carrier with that flight pod from the concept art. No missiles but had guns on the bottom.
#Remember the Adriatic !
So say we all!
It's also in season 3 episode 20 when they jump out of hyperspace u see the back end that also shows the flight pod
well now we know what happen to it in the rad storm.
Damn reavers.
Remember "Keep Calm & bring grenades"
Hello Daniel from space dock I am Maxwell long time viewer first time commenter, I would like to see you expand this kind of content.
My guess as to why it seems smaller in the new Caprica Escape scene is because it's a smaller civilian version of the ship
Not surprised to see the Adriatic on Serenity, as Serenity was seen in the first episode of BSG.
The design reminds me a bit of the Janus class from BSG Deadlock.
Not only is the defender seen in Firefly but the serenity is seen in the background in the first episode of the BSG miniseries in the background
I think this design was also an inspiration for one of the cover arts on the Battlestar Prometheus fan made book/written story. Very good read, definitely would recommend, even kinda ties the loose ends for everyone who hated the later spiritual and metaphorical stuff and ending.
And now it’s in Deadlock as of The Ghost Fleet Offensive DLC as a Marine Carrier
Loved the video, you should do one on the background ships and kitbashes in the Rebel fleet at the end of ESB and in RotJ.
Call of duty Infinite warfare has some very interesting ship designs. I know it isn't what this channel usually covers, the the UNSA Retribution and UNSA Tigris especially have some very interesting and well though out designs.
The ships really embody what you would expect that the UNSA (the earth based protagonists) would need out of its spacecraft and what humanity may want out of its naval spaceships in 50 to 100 years similar in a lot of ways to SYFY's The Expanse.
It would be interesting to see an evaluation of the Retribution as a carrier class ship and the Tigris as a destroyer. The SDF (the Mars based antagonists) also have some interesting ship designs that would be really cool to look at.
Overall, despite the bad rap that this game gets, the campaign really has a lot of really great and well thought out content. I highly recommend that you look into this.
Perhaps she was built to merchant ship standards like the IRL Kongo class DDGs (Japan's version of the US Arleigh Burke-class destroyers) and wasn't suitable for a more extensive refit as a full up warship. Perhaps she was built as some kind of armed courier ship, or was a raider used by some less than legitimate organization that survived the Cylon attack. I can see a lot of reason why she might not be used.
When you realize that Battlestar Galactica and Firefly might take place in the same universe
I always wondered what that ship was. Thanks spacedock
In the side view of the ship, the flight pod could have been retracted. If is old as the Galactica, I'd assume that it would have this capability to close the front end of the pod. It would be nice to have a definitive answer from someone in the know.
BSG Deadlock Ghost fleet Offensive. Defender support ship..
Was re-watching BSG for the unkownth time, and in Season 2 Episode 18 'Downloaded,' in the last 30 second of the episode before credits, the Defender could be seen, just above a Celestra class ship with a Colonial Mover to the right of it.
Hey spacedock since you're a fan of both franchises what would happen if earth alliance and the 12 colonies meet 3 years before the earth mimbar war and the second cylon war
the colonies would easily win, if you meant it as a confrontation.
if just like a discovery: well the colonies would welcome the 13th tribe back, but it is likely that earth would refuse to fall under colonial jurisdiction, probably forming 2 separate countries that do trade and have a military alliance.
@@Nekerfree just discovery
The Earth Alliance would probably be veeeeery wary of any claims that the Earth is in fact a lost colony of a big extraterrestrial government. Remember, that's exactly what the Centauri claimed when they made first contact with Earth around the 2150s. So depending on the Colonies' stance on reunification the Earth Alliance could be very suspicious of their long lost brothers and sisters.
@@Nekerfree I think that the Earth Force B5 ships would have a much bigger advantage of the Galactica ships, at lest when it come to capital ships. Those things are beasts by the time of the start of the show, plasma blots, particle beam and high yield laser weapon systems would cut the Colonials capital ships to ribbons before they could even get into range.
Viper vs Starfury, now that's another matter, but my money would be on the Starfury due to the insane turn rate that ship can pull. Now I know the Viper is no slouch with its turning rate but the Starfury does have huge rts thrusters and gyro assist.
The one thing the Colonials have is their FTL drives, as far as I can tell it is instantaneous, hit the button and ping, new area of space afew to a hundred light years away, this alone could be useful tactic with their capital ships. Jump in, take out a target, jump out. but as for toe to toe combat, Earth Force would win in a straight up slog fest.
At lest that is what I think :)
@@Nekerfree if you mean that the cylons would be easily defeated by the colonials and Earth Alliance... alliance then sure I can agree with that. However if you mean that Colonials are supposed to win some sort of... confrontation with Earth from Babylon 5 then my only question is "wut XD" ?
EDIT: also Mimbari still steam roll them both but this should not be a surprise for anyone who knows both of this verses and this particular factions in them.
Since you mentioned Deadlock, the design made me think immediately of the Janus Class Heavy Cruiser.
it actually fit in just about all the universes in Sci Fi
These obscure vessels are always interesting ,and it's fun to make up a backstory for them.
it has a nice in-universe Frame, I would love to see this ship in Deadlock for sure.
Perhaps something bridging the gap between the manticore and the ranger.
I love the fact that you used one of the late CanisD's drawing of the Defender, I really like his artwork to show off the ship. Question will you ever do a video about the Battlestar Prometheus from the fanfiction written by Ryan A Keeton? I know its fanfiction, but its a really good ship.
Actually, looking at that side-view, it seems like the flight pod might retract to a position either against or between the "legs" of the ship.
the version in blood and chrome has the flight pod in-between it engines.
It has the luxury of having weapons
Wait.... Daniel. Would we like to see strange and unusal background ships? ...Your channel name is Spacedock. I expect ALL the ships!!!!!!!! Bring em on, man!!!!!!! XD
Hi Daniel! Will you review the "Brittania" from the "lensman" universe
The defender you pointed out in Blood and Chrome had the flight pod on it.
Found the defender in the backgrounds of "The Passage" and "Maelstrom", which means it might not be the Adriatic after all? It also appeared to have the underslung flight pod intact in both shots.
Nice, never noticed it before
I think it's a real stretch to say that this "mystery" ship was used in FIREFLY. The ship we see in FIRELFY is too stubby in size to be the Adriatic, which is much longer in size than the ship seen at 3:22 in this video. but, look for Serenity in the miniseries when Laura Roslin is waiting for her doctor to come in and tell her she's dying of cancer.
Hey Spacedock,
are you planning on plowing through Volition's Freespace series ?
It was not the Adriatic. It was seen again in the season 3 finale "Crossroads". When the fleet jumps into the Ionian Nebula, the Defender is there. It loses power and bumps off the hull off of one of the other ships.
Speaking of weird background ships... that Corellian freighter at the Battle of Sector 001. I suspect it must arrived due to some sort of strange interaction between the borg transwarp corridor and the temporal device used by the sphere to transport it forward in time from a distant galaxy.
have not seen you cover Space Battleship Yamato franchise.
It would be great if you could cover some of the star trek background ships and kitbashes!
I'm not too convinced this ship was the Adriatic. This ship can be seen in the fleet all the up until Daybreak, and was amongst the ships that jumped to Earth at the end.
Perhaps, as the Cylon War dragged on the Colonial Navy simply up sized a tried and tested design instead of designing a whole new craft.?
I would like to point out that the Battlestars themselves are good examples of Colonial Fleet taking a known good ship design and scaling it both up and down for explicit uses. Me thinks from the Defender, of which the larger looks very much like a Janus on weight-watchers and the smaller being a Civilian Yach kit-bash as you said, that this is the case. Another but related mode of thought would place it like the AR-15 equivalent being something a Civilian can own, but you did cover that already eloquently, like a retired military officer rebuilding a Yach to look like his old deployment ship, also most likely a catastrophe prepper who "would" be the first to get out.
edited.
The colonial defender can be seen in BSG in the last episode of Season 3, when the fleet jumps into the nebula.
So it can't be the Adriatic as we can see the Colonial defender after the Adriatic was lost.