Music Superstars Popularity Fading
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- In this episode we compare the most popular artists on Spotify's follower counts and plays. The results may shock you!
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Do we want to keep Hendrix's memory alive? Just make a big production power selling movie about him. That's how it works nowadays
Agree! I think Hendrix was whimsical enough that it might work. Just make it very slick and hollywood. Gen Z would probably eat it up 😆
They tried that and the Hendrix estate put a huge veto on how much of his music could be used in it so it flopped quite a bit
100%... not just nowadays but it's always worked that way... alive or dead, a big movie will always increase listeners and turn casual listeners into hardcore fans from 'A Hard Day's Night' to 'Purple Rain' to Oliver Stone's 'The Doors' to ''Walk the Line' to 'Ray' to Amy' to 'Bohemian Rhapsody' to 'Rocketman'
They already tried with Andre 3000 playing him. Even that failed miserably
My man!
Popularity is one thing, influence another. I'm reminded of the quote: "The Velvet Underground didn't sell many records, but everyone who bought one went out and started a band." I'm sure Jimi continues to inspire.
Jimi and the velvet underground inspired me I’m sure there are millions more like me
@@zyzyx4157 I started playing guitar 12 years ago. So when I learned about Hendrix it was mostly through the internet, other than the cd’s I bought at dimple records before they closed. Most of my favorite and most inspirational Hendrix recording were bootlegs on UA-cam 🤷♂️. The thing I wish there was more of are live recordings in particular. One of the most inspirational performances for me was Like A Rolling Stone live at Monterey. Which I believe, you can’t find on UA-cam anymore.
Hah nice quote, a more recent example is Pixies
@@EricLeCrennSanchez Jimi Hendrix’s live stuff is incredible lol so ahead of it’s time he like predicted dubstep
Influence is indeed important. Glam metal rockers KISS (aka cartoon characters, merch whores, and "The Greatest Band in the World") may not have had a CLAPTON or HENDRIX in their ranks, but Ace Frehley is known to have inspired countless folks to pick up the guitar, ranging from Megadeth's Dave Mustaine to the nefarious Marilyn Manson wanting to form a band. Hard to say if Ace was only average in his playing or blunted in the grips of ongoing sub abuse; however he WAS entertaining, his bends were technically correct, and he made playing two chords look thrilling, never boring, with posed expressions, bent knees, and the band in unison for hair whip arounds and head banging. Sure, Jimi set his strat on fire, but Ace was launching a rocket from his custom triple humbucking Gibs Les Paul every show! 🎸
Remember, Hendrix has a MUCH smaller body of work than most of these artists. Also, he tends to be appreciated more by musicians/guitarists than your average listener.
I'd say his body is work is actually humongous compared to how long he was alive. Of course, I'm counting all the countless live versions of songs he used to do (which can be almost a new interpretation of the song compared to the album recordings) and the post-humous things that have been released. edit: almost forget all those bootleg tracks and jam sessions..
Hendrix has a much smaller fan base which is diminishing by the day. Whoever is (mis)managing his catalogue isn't helping matters. He's headed the way of those unknown musicians of the past who were legendary in their time but now only a real scholar like a Rick Beato can name.
yeah hendrix's catalogue is huge generally speaking, the amount of listenable music that doesn't get old (for me at least).
@@MrJeffcoley1 dude hendrix is hendrix, he will never become 'unknown' lmao, its just that the people who get into him, really get into him.
@@alexchun6876 The majority of Hendrix fans are Rick's age or older. Most young people today barely know who he is let alone know his music or his talent. I have to agree that the Hendrix Estate is not doing his music justice. Same with Don Henley and the Eagles. Their music is used more than Jimi's only because of its soft rock appeal but it will go the way of the dodo unless they make their music available to the public in the newer formats that people use to listen to their favorite music. The best example of this is Fleetwood Mac. Dreams went viral a while back because Stevie Nicks allows her music to be used, yet Lindsey Buckingham doesn't so songs that were bigger hits back in the day aren't now mostly because Lindsey blocks.
There is an issue to consider here: 'older' listeners are more likely to still be listening to LPs, CDs or even MP3 rips from those formats. Have a look at, for example, the physical sales of singles and albums versus digital play/download stats; you'll quickly see a pattern. Old timers (like us!) are more likely to buys physical products.
It would also be interesting to see if there’s a difference by digital platform. I suspect there might be difference in genre mix by platform.
I was going to mention this! And the Beatles are still at the top of the sales.
I'm 25 and don't have a Spotify either. There's a bias and it's not just new vs old. It's authenticity vs trendy
Jimi's half sister is more concerned with making money than ensuring that his legacy continues, so it's up to us to share his music with the younger generations. My son is a big fan of Jimi.
His Stepsister, She change her last name to Hendrix........, And this Rick Individual, doesn't really know Hendrix Music that well any how, Hendrix at his Very Best , is Time Less, He will be around for Century's.....
His estate only cares about the money- golf balls with Hendrix’s signature? What’s that all about?
@@baronbustin Golf balls just sounds like a really dumb marketing idea for Hendrix. Did he actually like or play golf?
@@natewhite455 Rick knows more about music than you can imagine. He is the most knowledgeable guy on UA-cam about music. He's a musician, teacher and a producer. His music theory books are excellent. You might want to do a little research before making a comment that reveals how little you know.
@@jacquesstrapp3219 , It's going to be alright ,J.Strapp, All I was saying was Hendrix ,I believe will never be forgotten for Century's, Like Elves Presley will not be forgotten nother, this Rick Guy may know music and all but I dought he will with stand time like these Musicians......
There’s a post from last year, on Brian May’s Instagram, were he plays “You’ve got to hide your love away” by The Beatles… After he finishes the song, he starts to talk about how much he loves The Beatles… bla, bla, bla… and then he said something that caught my attention, something like “present generation don’t appreciate The Beatles as they should, mostly because their catalog hasn’t been handled very well”… I think that’s really true, and speaks much about his “marketing vision” and how Queen has been presented to younger generations… that can make a HUGE difference…
They had tons of exposure about 10 years ago when accross the universe came out and the Love album. But since then, they've made it harder to access their music, which is a mistake
Yeah when people who don't listen to them hear the name Beatles they either think of a song like Hey Jude or songs from their early years, don't get my wrong their great songs but they might not interest the ear of a modern listener, if their later music was put out there more I believe they'd be a lot more popular today.
@@michealcarney853 I totally agree... for some people The Beatles are just that kind of band that your mom or your grandpa listen to...they're OK but there just "not that cool"... mostly because that "peace and love" thing...
@@julioarmandobriceno5967 Exactly, in reality they actually had some music that could pass today
The official Beatles UA-cam channel has now posted quite a lot of The Beatles original videos. The ones that John, Paul, George and Ringo filmed themselves, before music videos were officially a thing. Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever are among the earliest, if not the earliest, music videos by a major pop music group. The picture quality looks very good.
They have also created new videos for Beatles songs, including one that features a modern dancer and CGI graphics. I don't remember for which song. I think the video is related to the Las Vegas Beatles production that is still in production. Maybe Cirque du Soleil's "The Beatles LOVE" production.
The Beatles should also get a big boost in current popularity with the release of the "new" documentary "Get Back". It's currently scheduled for Thanksgiving week this year on Disney Plus. Director Peter Jackson was given full access to the video footage from the Get Back/Let It Be sessions, to create a new documentary of that Beatles period. I think nearly the entire movie will be the studio and live performances of The Beatles from that period, including the famous rooftop performance.
From most people's point of view, Jimi had a 3 year career, that ended over half a century ago, so it's pretty amazing that he has as big a following as he does.
Did more in 3 years than most do in a life time imo
@@Questioneverythingx Most? or all? Who's the forever #1 guitar icon?
@@longtalljay
I used the word most. Not sure how you’re confused.
@@longtalljay
And no number 1 in music
@@Questioneverythingx "Love or confusion"? Why so defensive?
Queen songs are used in a lot of kids and teen movies. Sometimes sung by characters in the movie. I bet that's where most young people are hearing them. Also Queen the band does a lot of marketing and media.
Their music was always more epic and they wrote the soundtrack to Flash Gordon.
Classically trained and it shows.
Also Queen was gay. I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
Bohemian rhapsody was huge and their popularity grew at least 20x after the movie
@@badcornflakes6374 I don’t think it does.
It’s the perfect combination of everything. Lots of kids this generation look up to Queen
I can say this: I’m 18, I didn’t hardcore get into Jimi, only listening to like 5 songs, because I could never listen to his music because his estate blocks it all and it isn’t until COVID went out last year and I bought Are You Experienced and Axis on CD that I finally was like “WOAAAH”
If a member of Jimi’s estate sees this, you’re harming his legacy, release his music!
What do you mean release it? Seems to be available a lot of places.
@@chrisd6736 they only allow like 5 songs on UA-cam, I don’t use streaming services, I buy my music, and I usually like a taste of what I’m getting before I buy it.
That kept me from buying those two albums for a very long time, I just never heard enough to make me wanna go out and buy them, I just got the songs I knew digitally.
If you liked those two albums, go out and buy Electric Ladyland, and the soundtrack from the Jimi Hendrix movie. You'll be glad you did.
@@tepidtooth8539- gotcha. Ya I bought his greatest hits on a whim when I was like 16-17. So much good stuff on there I really fell in love with his playing style at a young age. No one else like him.
Back in the early 80s l watched "WOODSTOCK" one late weekend night pre-internet era on PBS & seen Jimi's performance and was instantly a fan of his and other bands l seen on that video. l was aboot your age, eh?
If after 50 years your music is still being listened to millions of times a month, it's safe to say it stood the test of time.
Or that life expectancy has risen. If Spotify etc..had existed 15 or 20 years ago they would have way more listens
Indeed. I'd wager that in ten years, "Shape of You" will no longer clock in 2+ billion per month, but "Bohemian Rhapsody" will still be going solid at around 1.5 billion.
Did someone say CHEAP TRICK? 😆
cough cough the beatles
@@Helsynch HELL YEAH!!!! Love me some "Love Love Me Do" -- Genius!!!
The difference is generational. The generation that love Zeppelin, Hendrix and the Beatles invest and own their music, they don’t stream it. The audience for the newer artists don’t invest, they just stream the songs. It is a great example of the difference in how music is consumed,
I would wager that The Beatles, and other classic rock musicians are proportionally more popular on Apple Music than on Spotify…and that Apple Music has an older average age for their listeners.
@@drew811811 that’s a great point!
@@drew811811 I would have to agree with this based on my personal experience. I'm a streamer, but pre-streaming culture. The ones born into it typically have short attention spans and jump quickly from one thing to the next without actually giving themselves a chance to truly absorb or enjoy what they're listening to.
I said I'm a streamer but I use Apple Music rather than Spotify. Why? Because I like to have access to a music collection. Not just playlists of random songs shared between mates.
facilitates
collection.
Yes and no. There is a generation gap but not in the way you think. Or at least, not until you add in more generations. If you talk about the ones who grew up with this music then yes, but the majorities of these will play the records they've owned for years and won't buy or listen to music online. There is a pre-streaming generation somewhere in the middle who will use streaming services but just use them differently to have the modern streaming generation do.
@@j800r_aswell you sound so bitter, forget about that generational crap. Learn to take responsibility where you can and let others be, you've got a VERY superficial understanding of young people.
Hendrix didn’t make music to “trend.” He made music because he lived and breathed music. I guarantee that a hundred years from now people will still be listening to Hendrix while one year from today people will have already forgotten the latest “trending” song.
Amen!
🎯
I would also point toward his Estate banning his music in many places. There was a really good movie on Netflix a few years ago but they couldn't use any of Hendrix's music. Not allowing access is kinda a killer for a legacy.
I would not be surprised that the reason they are so picky is that most of his songs which have been on soundtracks are in movies set in Vietnam.
I saw that movie. It is testimony to what Netflix is and isn’t.
Exactly
>watching netflix
Prince did it to himself, wanted so much control that he cut off the next generation and lost money indirectly
I think the fact that you’ll hear “We Are the Champions” every Friday night at high school football games helps keep Queen relevant to the younger generation.
And we will rock you. Everyone knows that rythm
Queen definitely took sports to a new level and they have that as a legacy in and of itself. They also have soundtrack legacy, Highlander etc. Notice Post Malone and let's not forget "Happy" by Pharrell Williams have spots enhanced in popularity by soundtracks. THAT is cultural relevance in and of itself. If the movie is popular, that band becomes so. So Queen covers a lot of territory of "reasons to be culturally significant". Estates of people like Jimi Hendrix block that kind of relevance developing by limiting release. Beatles fit into that category too.
That's true... and at professional sporting events.
I think it has more to do with the movie and internet trends
bohemian rhapsody had the billion even before the movie as well.
Why is Jimi Hendrix not relevant anymore?
also their estates:
- won't release their music in streaming platforms until it is way too late.
- won't allow youtubers to use them in videos
- won't allow them to be played in ads.
It's not that Kids today don't wanna listen to Jimi anymore, but rather the people responsible for managing their music won't allow them to have more exposure.
ffs, King Crimson, one of the most Popular Prog Rock acts of the late 60s, 70s and 80s just released all of their music back in 2019, and before that whenever their music gets used by anyone, it's instantly getting copyright striked.
theyre killing the golden egg goose...
all of king crimsons songs on Spotify are gone, only the live versions are there which was really shocking for me
Ask anybody that plays lead guitar if Jimi Hendrix is relevant or not. Out of100 people how many play lead rock guitar
@@freak49 Guitarists, Obviously. But a regular casual listener? They would have zero knowledge of him.
Funny that you metion King Crimson. Trey Gunn is one of the people who think that the times where LP's were sold would continue somehow and restricted to share his music. I surely understand that musicians don't like that the business changed and forced them to find other ways of incomce (basically more touring). But hey, most people have to work daily for their income and can not make a product which will pay their rent for the coming years... :-o
It's a generational issue, not just a Hendrix issue. The Doors have 8.6 million followers, The Kinks have 6.1 million, and Cream has a mere 3.7 million. All of them were important bands for Boomers, but not so much for subsequent generations. Still, those bands draw a lot more attention than the most popular bands of the World War 2 generation. Glenn Miller has a mere 1.2 million followers and Benny Goodman doesn't even draw a million.
This is a demographics, marketing and lifestyle issue, not a musical achievement and legacy issue.
If those bands where given a corp money push and marketing they'd probably start to be more relevant. People are easily swayed by the culture around them. So even though those bands don't speak in today's styles and sounds if they were pushed and we're suddenly used in a delusion films and there was articles written about their greatness and importance how much more in depth their musical stories were compared to modern artists I would bet you could sway the minds of young people they would just start to follow along. If if educated by corporate media I think that would happen. And the problem is a lot of corporate music which I'm against like they don't listen to radio any music shows anything like that but a lot of that music has come just formulated crap and a lot of it is just downright filth WAP, songs calling women b****** and hoes promoting violence and there's just a lot of general teenage angst emotional shallowness. So if all that was put forth and explained with a lot of money pushing it yeah yeah I think you can flip things.
@@berachtdorian6191 Ha!!! Very interesting take. Marcus Aurelius, a Renaissance man centuries before the Renaissance.
Time waits for no one. Wasn't there song about that? ;-)
It's definitely a Hendrix issue, though. To me, it's surprising that all of these bands are being listened to more than Jimi Hendrix: AC/DC has 21 million, Guns N Roses has 20 million, Led Zeppelin has 15 million, Aerosmitth has 15 million, Journey has 12 million, Scorpions have 10 million, Bob Dylan has 10 million, KISS has 10 million... I mean, seriously, who would expect KISS to resonate more with millennials than Hendrix? That's just shocking.
If u put a Benny Goodman song in the next GTA and followed up with Goodman as a tortured soul/innovator movie, he’d have well over a 1M listeners for a while.
Jimi Hendrix’s music never was “Pop” and the fact that people still listen to him 51 years after his meteoric career ended prematurely is amazing. He is one of the most influential guitarists to ever play and fundamentally changed the sound of electric guitar. Sometimes you have to seek out the roots of what’s happening now to discover great musicians of past eras. Those who know, know.
Agreed
I would recommend to everyone who hasn’t listened to Jimi Hendrix to start with ‘Band of Gypsys’. That record has a very dynamic and raw production which showcases what he was capable of in live performances.
@@unoaotroa I had the same experience with Wes Montgomery. not the kind of thing i usually listen to, but heard about it on one of these music tube channels, absolutely loved him
True, Troy. Still, Rick is making a good point that Hendrix's estate does need to do something or the memory of one of the greatest musicians may fade to almost nothing.
He's part of pop culture. So, he's pop.
This graphically illustrates a point you’ve been making for a while: protecting the monetization of an act too much can result in demonetizing the act. Those controlling access are used to the idea of the value of the artist without realizing that generational shift is devaluing their artist and that the way to counter this is more access, not less.
I’m not at all surprised by Hendrix vs. the Beatles or Zeppelin. They had more contemporary airplay than he did. It occurs to me that you’re just younger enough than I am not to have experienced that. One of the reasons we’re so conscious of Hendrix is that he’s so important to musicians in particular.
In listening to these numbers, I’ll always remember that I saw Ed Sheerhan open for Taylor Swift.
nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not generational shift that's devaluing older artists; it's technological shift. MP3s and then streaming reduced the value of all songs. And everyone from Metallica to Jay-Z (as well as artists who haven't released a Black Album) had to decide how to respond. It's easy to say being overprotective backfired, but it was hard to know beforehand whether that would be the case. The reason I say it's not generational shift is that artists generally decline, but which artists remain big can be hard to figure. 30 years ago today, you might have guessed that R.E.M. would remain big while Queen would fade with time, at least in the U.S. Yet somehow that didn't happen.
I imagine Captain Beefheart has almost slipped into total obscurity and yet he was huge musical influence to many Gen X bands.
@@calmbbaer R.E.M. and Pearl Jam always blew.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 - "Musical influence" doesn't guarantee popularity, though it does guard against TOTAL irrelevance. But I doubt Big Star, Velvet Underground, Sonic Youth, Patti Smith, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Pixies, and Willie Dixon get beaucoup streams... even though they're very influential and have gentler learning curves than Beefheart (and have been featured in more TV shows and films)..
The top 5 popular songs are not necessarily the most played. They are a mix of recently most played songs. For instance some older justin bieber songs like „sorry“ are over 1B but not listed in the most popular at the moment.
I was about to say this
he probably knew that cause there are multible artists where song number 1 has less streams that number 2 like 4:34
You're saying that like he doesn't know :P
i think isn't fair compare the numbers of 70's with todays numbers, because the population and acess to music have increased multiple times
Yeah if Rick had literally just scrolled down he would see the Weeknd has 3 more songs over a billion just in his Popular tab, plus a couple more if you look into the album tracklists. I'm sure it would be similar for many of the other contemporary artists.
Mr. Beato always makes a great point about getting classic music into the hands of new generations. He nags at the Eagles and The Hendrix estate because he’s right in that if they’d only loosen their grip, just a little, they’d be so much more relevant to the youth. Relevance equals sales and royalties.
Jimi will never will fade from my memory. He was an original guitar genius.
I think he'll have a resurgence. These things come in waves. I remember the cultural impact of the Beatles went WAY up when the Beatles Anthology TV series came out. But that was before streaming music, so it's hard to look back and measure these days.
⁉️🤔 Who's this "Jimi Hendrix" you guys keep going on about? Is he as good as Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift or Cardi B...?? Anyway, we NEED to be worried that that there AREN'T billions of people listening to New Kids On the Block, N*Sync, or Marky Mark & the Funky Bunch! It's such a tragedy that today's youth are missing out on this raw, boy band TALENT!!
But at least they aren't listening to that 60s, 70s and 80s music, so we won't have to worry about them actually taking interest in learning how to play real musical instruments! What point is there in doing that?? (🤪Just kidding! 90s Boy bands and most 21st century music is TERRIBLE!! 🤡)
What’s a guitar?
- today’s youth
I would say at times his band has been overrated. I'm not talking about Jimi himself, he is fantastic, but the band as a whole really didn't write as good as songs as some of the others on the classic rock list. Their best song being a cover song. Jimi's playing is better than the Stones and many more times better than the Beatles, but that doesn't mean people want to listen to those songs more than Beatles or Stones songs.
@@jimmym3352
☑️ Yeah, that may not be a popular thing to say around the Jimi Hendrix purists. They may be upset at your take on it. But you are 100% correct in your assertion that Jimi's music just wasn't that great compared with lots of other classic rock bands. To be fair, he also died early, so we have NO idea what direction his music would've taken. He may have picked up different musicians with different influences, and gotten better at songwriting.
He could've even switched to metal in the late 70s and 80s! That's what Deep Purple did! Honestly, that would've been the most fitting genre for someone like him, especially in the 80s.... 😉👍
The vultures controlling Hendrix music are going to kill his artistic legacy over greed or stupidity, how many times I talk to someone and they only have this distorted vision of a wild guy in woodstock(if they have any knowledge at all), they don't know that he was "melodic", sensitive, a good lyricist and sometimes not even how groundbreaking his technique and style was, that is crazy! Hendrix changed the landscape of music and his influence is diminishing with time...Incredible artists like him should be spread to the world as wide you could, beside spotify you cannot find Hendrix. How many times I could not convince or show his work because he is not on youtube, Prince was one that I had a similar problem. Can you imagine a time when people dont even know people like Prince or Hendrix?
The popular songs on Spotify are not the most played of all time, they're just the currently most listened to songs. And artists don't get to choose their order.
Exactly. New album songs usually replace a lot of older songs on those lists, even if they have 500 million fewer listens. Rick is making assumptions that suggest he doesn’t know this.
@@alamimouad It's still making zero sense. Popular, currently relevant artists who have been very active recently, have their newer songs at the top of the "most popular" list, because people want to hear their new songs. Most of those "low" numbers you see on the most popular songs have been achieved in a couple months or something. Meanwhile older artists who are not that relevant anymore have their most popular songs overall in the "most popular list", because people are listening to the classics.
It doesn't matter if Jimi Hendrix trends or not these days. His music is legendary and doesn't depend on the context. It's just good in itself. It will keep being listened and appreciate when it matters and to who it matters. Maybe in a cyclic way but it doesn't matter.
I don't know about that. People have to learn about an artist before being able to listen to them.. unless it happens by accident (whether it's recommended or played on the radio or used in media or whatnot) which is less and less likely as time goes on.
I’m sure that’s what someone said about Glenn Miller and Scott Joplin’s music too. The game has changed.
Amen Brother.
Art is not a popularity contest
The more time goes on the more everyone will fade into history, I'm sure in the 70s and 80s, popularity of 20s and 30s music declined as well
Movies too. As a kid in the '70s, they would show lots of movies on TV from the '60s, '50s, '40s, and '30s.
But that's because there were no '80s, '90s, '00s, and '10s yet.
I was going to write something similar. Most people couldn’t name more than one or two movie stars from the first half of the 20th century when Hollywood was at its peak
I'm not sure it's all that similar of a comparison... Based on some quick research, the LP didn't get released commercially until after World War 2. So it sounds like they didn't have albums in any modern sense prior to that, probably most of what we have as albums from that time period are makeshift recordings that were compiled of the various single records into an album well after those songs were recorded.
I think more contemporary music is bound to have higher play counts but older music to today doesn't have the same obstacles as the older music to the 70's and 80's did to be heard. Some of the reason bands like The Beatles might not have a higher play count on spotify is most people outside of Gen Z probably own these albums in a physical format or downloaded them years ago.
@@guerillabedlam1 and I still think in 20-30 years 80s/90s will start to fade away just the same, some huge names will live on, but not in listening popularity. (Ie Beethoven, Elvis, Nat King Cole) I don't believe the LP argument holds up, people made records prior to this, but the public didn't have the equipment or money to buy the equipment until the boom after the second world war. So the album's prior to that were made in small numbers for radio or listening rooms/ Jazz cafes etc... from the 10s through the 40s. Remember the modern record player wasn't released until almost 1900, and took a while to become cheap/ popular.
The music of the 20s/30s was non existent in the 80s.
Exposure is everything. Period. Not shocked .
No it's not. If it was they'd just allow it. But exposure is everything for Beato because he gets to piggyback his channel off some of the greatest songs ever for free. Dude thinks he's entitled to it too. Pure narcissism.
I was just watching your channel!
@@Music-el7if why do you think he feels entitled to that genre of video? genuinly curious
@@derelaxterakker2861 Hey there. I don't quite understand the question. I never mentioned genres. Can you rephrase?
Ed SHeeran is awful. I don't care how much exposure he gets.
Hendrix had a very short career, only about three years, and he's kind of been locked into the psychedelic genre. Queen has been very commercialized the last few years.
Also, Bohemian Rhapsody being used in a movie gave them a boost. Though, Queen made a lot of epic music. 'It's a Kind of Magic' is an amazing album.
Hendrix sound and production are kinda dated
I would say Queen has been very relevant since I was a teenager in the early to mid-1990s, long after their last material was ever recorded. Anyone else remember Wayne and Garth headbanging to Bohemian Rhapsody in the car at the beginning of Wayne's World? That movie introduced Queen to a whole new generation at the time.
@@JonMichaelDeShazer And Hendrix is only used in movies for the "characters are getting high" scene in comedies. Maybe you can count All Along The Watchtower in Battlestar Galactica, but it was used as an original cover and not either of their recordings (aside from the final episode, which many people didn't exactly like).
I don't think you can blame in just on his short career and specific genre. Nirvana only had three studio albums, and nothing of theirs went outside the alt rock / grunge realm. Yet they still dominate culturally. I think production value comes into play. A lot of Jimi's stuff, amazing as it is, sounds of its time because the 60s were just kind of short of the following decades in terms of production quality. Nirvana's stuff sounds very of its time musically, but the sound quality of it stands up to anything that has been produced since. Notably Queen were one of the most innovating bands from a production standpoint of the 70s. Their first couple albums were still kind of mired in early 70s muddiness, but by Sheer Heart Attack, A Night At The Opera, and especially A Day At The Races, they were making some of the best sounding records money could buy. Those production jobs still stand up wonderfully next to todays best sounding releases. This could also account for why Abbey Road seems to be The Beatles' most popular release, as it's their best sounding album from a production standpoint.
Considering that Jimi Hendrix hit the record stores some 54 years ago I'd say all those plays he has today are impressive.
yeah Rick's comparison is sorta flawed actually. He's comparing old bands to bands that are red hot, as in flash in a pan hot. they won't be around very long. What he's doing is like if he compared them to Justin Beeber 10 years ago. or however you spell it. I don't care how I spell it.
@@johnthecreative Justin who?
Jimi Hendrix experience ruined my ability to be impressed with almost any modern band because I feel like almost everything sounds lame compared to axis bold as love album just my opinion
@@leahflower9924 Point taken
@@leahflower9924 yep. I keep telling that to radiohead fans who apparently never heard it.
The fans of older bands like Zep and Rolling Stones own most or all of their catalog.They’re not going to streaming sites to get their music because they already have it.
Good point. I have 4,000 songs on my Ipod and listen to it a lot, tracks shuffled at random. I don't influence the Spotify (or any other) playlists, and even if they had some way of knowing what I'm listening to... it's random. All great. Everything comes around eventually.
That is a really valid point. Although I’m in my mid-fifties and I’ve really embraced Spotify, even though I have tons of CDs and vinyl of those older artists that are repeat go-to’s for me. I really enjoy the convenience and power of apps like Spotify, though. But still, I do think it’s the bands themselves, and their attitude towards allowing streaming and liberal internet use, that is beginning to affect the decline in their popularity.
Yeah that's a good point. I own all of the original Led Zeppelin albums and when I listen to Led Zeppelin I usually listen to an entire album so there's no point for me to listen to them on Spotify with ads
Yes
Good point.
You hit the nail on the head about Hendrix’s music waning in popularity due to being absent from UA-cam. Not sure if it is his estate or the publisher, but you’re absolutely right about the correlation.
@@flagnappersmith7974 There is so much Hendrix music. Very little of it is on youtube. It's all because oh his half-sister Janie. It's solely because of her.
@@flagnappersmith7974 I just searched "Jimi Hendrix" and there are only a few songs (album versions) that are on UA-cam. Just a handful of his biggest songs. There are live versions and covers of most of his songs, but if you want to listen to the album version of Stone Free, Manic Depression, Red House, Crosstown Traffic, Castles Made of Sand, etc., you're not going to find it on UA-cam. Polyphonic did a video recently about Voodoo Chile and you had to sync your own copy of the song to the video because they couldn't use the song without their video getting taken down.
It's The Harold Lloyd Effect. You'd think people would learn from his mistake.
Hendrix's music is not absent from my music collection.
@@Theomite yoooo. spot on. shoutout the legend Harold Lloyd for sure. At least he realized his mistake and corrected it while he still could. This sister of Hendrix seems to be aware of what she doin tho.
When a Jimi biopic can't even license his music to play while André 3000 does an incredible interpretation of Henrix you know his back catalogue is badly managed.
The Hendrix Estate have been f**ked for years
100 percent…pointless movie…
And to me it seems it has never been properly remixed or remastered the way the later Beatle albums were.
The Hendrix estate is the worst. They've totally botched so many of the releases. Heck they've even got his guitar the wrong way round for his grave stone.
Isn't it mostly Jimi's sister that heads the estate?
So when Rick aired this episode in August of last year, Adele had roughly 24.5 million monthly listeners. In November Adele released her new album and today (January 27, 2022) she has more than 60 million monthly listeners on Spotify. It pays to stay current at all times.
Spotify monthly listeners means almost nothing. Imagine your band has a song on a playlist and someone listens to that playlist once, but doesn't listen to any of your other songs or albums. Then imagine another spotify user discovers your band and streams your album 10 times that month. Both count as one monthly listener.
Important to note that the Beatles catalogue only became available on streaming platforms at the beginning of 2016. They even withheld selling their albums on apple for seven years (2010) partly because they knew mp3s wouldn’t allow for the sound quality they believe their songs deserve; their serious music-lover fan base likely felt the same way and spent the money over the years to collect the sound systems and the vinyl to listen to their records the way they George Martin intended. Then there are other artists like Taylor swift who have had their stuff pulled from spotify because her record label, big machine, realizes she’s one of the few artists still able to make money on record sales (mainly bc of parents giving into their tween girls demands ). Then there’s yet another group like Beyoncé or Kanye West who are still trying to promote the streaming service Tidal and thus only have select records available on Spotify.
This is an excellent point. I remember Ricky Gervais talking about The Office and said that he would rather it be a million people's favourite show, rather than it be ten million people's tenth favourite sitcom, so he did not compromise by making it bland and therefore giving it wide appeal. The Beatles could have had an even bigger audience had they whored and cheapened their music, by allowing it to be used in every film and TV advert. That integrity has kept them on a steady ship. On the contrary, Elvis Presley is far less relevant to kids, due to the way his image and work have been cheapened. The Beach Boys music has been so commercialised that it has largely become ineffective.
8:00 One joke from the book "Good Omens" that didn't make it into the TV series (because it's a bit out of date) is that any cassette left in a car for more than two weeks spontaneously transforms into The Best of Queen. Having travelled in cars a lot in the late 80s, I can confirm that this was 100% correct. But now I wonder if this is the modern equivalent?
Queen’s whimsical style is still very relevant to young kids today. They sound less “classic rock” than some other artists.
That's about what I was going to comment.
@infoslinger But also there was some demand to license their music - not too specific, not too naughty, but all that while being artistically a bit daring and not as middel of the road as a classic rock combo. This allows to add some beats to a movie or tv show.
Freddie being a gay icon probably plays a big part too in todays youth liking the band.
Their production still sounds pretty unique and not as "classic rock" as Zep or Hendrix. You could say same of the Beatles in spots.
@@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin that would account for some but not all of the views
In 1970, did we listen to music from 1920? It's hard to believe how long it's been, and it's amazing music from 50 years ago is still as popular as it is.
Clapton covered Robert Johnson about that time, so I'd say, yes, they certainly did listen to old music then
So the grandparents, kids and grandkids all listened to the 1920's music like we do the 1970's music now?
@@ready2roo24 i don't know. Maybe yes, but not with the same passion as we listen to 70s music now. Most of Led Zeppelin, Canned Heat and Jimi Hendrix songs draw inspiration from music that was released in the 1920s and 1930s.
You mean like the blues? Yes.
Yes, they definitely listened to old music, The Beatles, The Kinks and Queen for example had few vaudeville/ music hall songs. Robert Plant was a huge fan of Mario Lanza. They all listened to old blues. ext ext. That is exactly the point, older artist listened a lot of older music and styles. New rock artists will often only listen to other rock music.
Rick, the metrics are different to what you seem to think. The top 5 songs are the most streamed songs in a 28 day window. So while Bieber has many songs over 1 Billion, the most streamed that month are all newer releases, which have not yet had time in the market to reach as high of a stream count. Anyone with a spotify for artist account can also see the total daily streams of another artist's discography. Ed Sheeran is doing approx 25M streams a day, while Bieber is doing closer to 30M a day. (which is about $100k a day in gross streaming revenue)
The revenue streams are interesting to ponder on. Since Bieber doesn’t do the bulk of the songwriting, he gets such a small percentage for streams. I think Peaches alone has 10 or 12 songwriters in the credits. Meanwhile, Sheeran has written hit songs for other people and has the lion’s share of the credits for his songs. I always wondered why some artists still had to tour like crazy to make their money otherwise they would be foreclosing on their multi-million mansions, but so many people behind the song reap a chunk of the passive profits such as the producers and writers. It’s insane how much Prince’s estate is probably earning right now on songwriting credits, that dude wrote so many hit songs for artists like Stevie Nicks and so many other covered his songs that made them even bigger hits like “Nothing Compares 2 U”.
Thank you for bringing some common sense in here hahah its way to simplified to look at it like this.. algorithmics vs Boomer 1-0
You explained this better than me. So they show the most 5 more streamed un that window but show the all time count, that's the confusion.
@@Ri-Ci not that simple, the artist could negotiate a bigger percentage of the rights, it's not like every single writer gets the same.
Wow. $100,000 per day in streaming revenue. I did not know that!
It’s only natural that artists who are releasing new music are going to enjoy more popularity, especially on a relatively new platform like Spotify. Only time will tell if today’s popular artists will still be listened to in decades to come, but the numbers show that good music, e.g. Beatles, Queen etc. will live on for a long time. J.S. Bach has more than 5.6 million listeners a month and he hasn’t released anything since 1750.
I can't wait for his new album to drop
Good point. I love Jimi Hendrix, but I've heard all of his stuff a hundred times, and if I want to hear it again, I can play a CD or a record on my stereo (which a lot of younger folks don't have) and get more enjoyment out of it than I would by hitting play on my phone. If I want to find something new, I stream.
I think its notable that The Beatles weren’t on spotify until something like 2016. That doesnt affect the monthly numbers but it affects the total spin count. I still don’t understand how Here comes the sun is the most played though.
Its probably in loads of those 'Feel Good Summer Playlists'
Kids know it. And if they're listening to it, it'll be on Spotify. People like me still have Abbey Road in some format or other. :)
i know, right?
hey jude is so much better, and to sing along.
It appeals to a wide range of tastes. Its also one of their best songs🤷♂️
Here comes the sun was in the bee movie I believe, but hey Jude which some people were saying should be their top song is about twice the length, people don’t have that much patience nowadays
The irony is Hendrix would want his music everywhere.
Lots of Beatles and Stones fans still listen to cd’s & vinyl, impacting their need for streaming.
I was thinking same. Older people like my parrents who has around 60 years doesn't listen spotify or any streaming service.
I’m pretty sure the Beatles didn’t upload most of their music to Spotify, until a few years ago
Queen is basically in the same timeframe though.
My thoughts too. Music owners vs Music streamers.
I am 17 and I'm a vynil/cd addict so I thought that too
The sickening, constant, repetitive plays that most "Classic Rock" bands get on conventional radio might have something to do with limited digital plays. If I hear the same 25-50 songs every day on any rock-based stations (regardless of their declared format - classic, modern, soft, contemporary, hard) the last thing I want to do when I hit Spotify is listen to anything remotely close to those artists. I love Hendrix, Zep, Beatles, etc. but I skip their big hits in favour of deep cuts simply for variety, and more often than not skip their catalogues entirely. New artists have the luxury of currency to stave off this reaction, but I'm sure they will be in the same spot in the future if trends continue. Your favourite food will make you gag after a while if you're force-fed it every day. Variety is the spice of life, or so they say.
I counted 29 of 72 Zeppelin songs as getting radio play--a high %. That leaves 43 fresh. Some of those 43 are--hate to say it--but, some are filler. But, you've also got "I'm gonna crawl", "ten years gone", "wanton song", "gallows pole"--all great in my opinion. Also: at least in the case of Zeppelin, their many live versions are often performed a bit differently each time.
good deduction,
if i NEVER hear hotel california or piano man again...I'm more than fine with that.
@@scotsman6712 I hate Hotel California. Too long.
From the 70s to the present day the so called 'Classic Rock' radio stations took a handful of songs and played them to death, making some people, myself included, wonder what they liked about those songs in the first place. It was the Stairway To Monotony. And yet there was a built in audience for this that never tired of it. Rock became a safe zone free of anything creative or daring. New bands would pop up that basically sounded like even more watered down versions of the previous hit bands. It was a bland landscape of rhythmless soulless interchangeable bands that all featured the one and only greatest guitarist of all time.
I'm one old guy who hates the old days, they sucked. Thank goodness for Spotify, You Tube and other mediums that broke the stranglehold of MOR dorkdom.
Queen themselves are also still putting a lot of effort into remaining relevant, and are staying with the times. They have an active UA-cam channel talking about the band and celebrating their music, they still regularly come out with new remasters and compilation releases, obviously there's the recent movie, they're still putting on big live tours, and they have no issue with licensing their music to third parties. This way they manage to remain within the collective consciousness, even though it's now nearly 30 years since the original band ended.
Bands like Led Zeppelin, by being so uptight about who is allowed to play their music and where, are making themselves irrelevant. Where is their big PR push to remind people about their amazing musical accomplishments? The collective mind is slowly forgetting about them and that's a damn shame.
Zeppelin is an interesting case because Jimmy Page never passes up an opportunity to plug Led Zeppelin and rightfully so, it was HIS band, but the issue lies with Plant and Jones, because a vast majority of the catalog is Page/Plant, or Page/Plant/Jones with Bonham receiving songwriting credit here and there, Jimmy is very limited in what he can actually do in terms of promoting the band, he has ample soundboard recordings of peak era Zeppelin shows that he can’t put out because either Plant, Jones, Bonham’s estate or a combination of the three won’t sign off on it, and while there’s a plethora of recordings that escaped his vault, will we ever get to hear the one’s that didn’t get away cleaned and mixed up properly from the man himself, probably not.
@@semp36445
Of course there are some distasteful things about Led Zeppelin.
But I wont cloud the memory of this great band by mentioning them here.
For Hendrix in particular I think it's largely the production. Those records have a sound that is extraordinarily different from anything a younger listener would have grown up hearing. Less "radio-friendly" than Queen, Beatles, or Led Zep ... and no strong vocal hooks like those bands had. I think the reason he has as many plays as he does is guitarists or other fans of great guitar-playing.
The older bands and solo acts have had their best music out for years so naturally they’ll have less streams and followers than current artists in 2021. Its what makes it so impressive when someone like coldplay has 42 million monthly listeners 20 years into their career. Longevity in music is very hard.
Not only is it a "long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll" (RIP Bon, Malcolm) but to keep your place beyond 15 minutes..... CHEAP TRICK was formed in 1969 as Fuse and signed to Epic in 72 as Cheap Trick. Played over 5,000 shows and sold over 20m records with 1979s ^Live At Budokan* 3x platinum. Still going strong!!!!
Not necessarily so. Artists who (literally) died in the physical era like Beatles, Queen, Nirvana made their sales today's Spotify listener's parents and grandparents. In the case of Beatles, maybe even Great-grandparents (yes, they are *that* old). Today's listeners have to discover them as if they are a new artist as the sales they're famous for were before they were born and will be unknown to kids. These heritage acts get discovered by the labels continuing to promote them. Without that, they would largely die or only be remembered by the first generation unless they listeners were literally influenced by grandad's record collection.
Naaa they just completely sold out. They get help from songwriters in the business and just make crap pop whereas back in the day they where making unique indie pop. No other band has done made this transition. I’ve been learning loads of parachutes on piano and guitar. The guitars in a weird tuning half the time and feels like some Jeff beck song, Its amazing. But now na, If you look at songwriting creds early it’s only them. All stuff now has other ppl helping them write their music.
Yes the longer it gets, the harder it gets
@@KweeshSome would say that's the best part. The hard part.
I don’t think the impact of the Bohemian Rhapsody movie had on queens popularity can be understated. Obviously they were massive before but I know for people who are a bit younger that movie meant that everyone was obsessed with Queen for months, at least where I’m from, they were absolutely inescapable.
I’m almost 18, and until the 2018 film I had hardly heard of any Queen songs. I’ve been a fan since the teaser trailer, Innuendo is my favourite album of any ever!
@@jameshoulding8951 same I’m 17 and I had heard maybe 3 or 4 songs and then after the movie I actually listened to more of the albums and I’m glad I did :)
The movie had a huge effect. The Queen UA-cam videos started getting massive amounts of plays right after that movie came out. And if you read the comments most of them were from teens and twenty somethings. Many would reference scenes in the movie.
Don't Stop Me Now has been used in so many movies, shows and commercials.
So the moral of the story is if you are a classic rock band and want to get lot's of plays on Spotify you need to release a good biopic movie. Heart is now in the preproduction stages for a movie about their band and how the song Barracuda came about.
Taylor pulled out her music from Spotify for several years, claiming artists weren't compensated enough. She returned only around 2018. Hence her apparent relative unpopularity.
Shes one of those artists we wil remember fondly but honestly she will never reach the peak of her popularity and She never made anything really unique
She's right; they're not. Greedy-ass Big Tech makes a ton off of artists and very little of it make it into the artists' hands.
I have no clue how to buy music other than ordering a cd off Ebay.
@@colico14 There’s no $$$ in downloads or record sales anymore, just live concerts.
When I was a teenager in the 90s, it was impossible finding anyone my age that liked Queen. I love that they've had a resurgence and it truly does have a lot to do with how cool they are about UA-cam.
So many Live Aid vids have an absurd view count.
Man, where the hell did you grow up?
@@arize84 not the right place
@@canwehit1kvidswithoutanysu153 Pyongyang?
I discovered Queen while in high school back in 1991. That was the year Freddie died. Their popularity really really blew up with Generation X that year.
@@kramalerav and now it's exactly 30 years after hes gone and Queen is still popular, how legendary
@@canwehit1kvidswithoutanysu153 They’re as popular as they’ve ever been. Probably more so than when they were still together.
So interesting. The thing is, anyone could have done this video, but it’s more interesting from Rick. He’s the music teacher you needed
Rick has a way of taking music trivia and making it interesting! He's clearly totally absorbed in music of all genres and is a fine musician himself, so his genuine enthusiasm comes through on any musical subject.
not true. never hear him talk about hip hop or newer non mainstream artists
Here are some I found interesting:
Michael Jackson 26.7M
Tool 3.2M
Foo Fighters 14M
Slipknot 8.4M
Metallica 18.6M
Elvis Presley 13M
Elton John 27.5M
AC/DC 22.7M
Michael Jackson’s estate let’s anyone play his music could be too and also they released an album and unreleased material after he died. He was far bigger too than the rest of those bands alive
Elton John is surprising
@@shayburton4104 not really. The power that a movie biopic has in launching a catalog of music back into public consciousness.
Well okey here comes something else surprising..
Judas Priest : 3 583 549 Monthly
Iron Maiden : 7 045 770 Monthly (lets see if its spikes when they release there new record.. One song has been released so far.. with only 5 176 932 that has played it)
Pink Floyd : 14 256 088 Monthly
Blind Guardian : 760 176 Monthly
Dream Theater : 1 390 834 Monthly
Guns n roses : 21 100 924 Monthly
Aerosmith : 16 424 004 Monthly
Slipknot : 8 441 505 Monthly
I can see a trend that people doesnt appreciate great music anymore..
@@NotoriousYeshi It is surprising. Surprisingly low, considering both the profile of the film and his Diamonds greatest hits has been hovering around the bottom of the top 10 (UK album chart) for the whole year.
When you factor in all the ways Queen has stayed relevant from the Wayne's World movie to restarting their touring with Adam Lambert as a very capable lead and not a impersonator (like Journeys singer) to the recent Oscar winning movie, its no wonder they are the top classic rock band to survive into the younger generations. So many things went into their enduring success! Plus the members of Queen are just so giving and accessible to their fans!
That last sentence is not totally true. They have re-released greatest hits 10 times the last 10 years! That means each year the same album! How many fans of other bands or artist would take that? Were waiting for vault releases. Most die hard fans didn't like the Hollywood movie and a big portion of them are not so much fan of the Queen+ Adam Lambert same old hits karaoke tours. But does it work for the bigger mass? absolutely!
Queen's music is simply more accessible - they have big anthemic hits which are almost universally liked like Don't Stop Me Now, We Will Rock You that get played more on TV ads, films, etc. Hendrix is often more appreciated by guitarists and musicians and so has a more niche audience.
Hendrix has a "niche" audience? What are you smoking, bud
@@COrth-ow1qs alright alright. Niche was the wrong word. I meant less mainstream.
@@helowako You used the right word. It is a niche audience. Frankly it always was. Hendrix didn't have any huge evergreen radio hits and ended up a kind of anomaly in the landscape of rock. Part of what makes him special.
@@Music-el7if Yes exactly. You hit the nail on the head there. 👍
@@helowako @Music. NO. quit trying to sound intelligent when you're not. Hendrix wasn't a niche audience at all. once Woodstock happened, EVERYONE knew who Jimi was. this is one of the dumbest damn takes on a classic artist I've EVER seen. The difference is about 15-20 years of marketing evolution. Jimi wasn't around for music videos, or mainstream Music Television. He COULDN'T be marketed like a Queen or Def Leppard, or Pop stars of the late 70's early 80's he was already DEAD.
"Ok, so what about Kanye West, speaking of Taylor Swift"
Lmao, took me a second but then I felt it
I still haven't felt it
who was in paris?
Jimi only had a couple years to shine but his impact for such a short time span was huge. Seeing him live was where It was at. He was the real AND ENTIRE Deal. And his song writing was just starting to take off. More people should be listening to Jimi in 2021.
Why? It'd be like telling teenagers- twentysomething year olds when Hendrix was putting out new music that they should be listening to Cab Calloway or something. Popular music is always in the here and now and always driven by the youth culture.
@@TheEvolver311 I would hope at least one or two people would be a fan if they gave his stuff a try. But You are correct. Kids attention span are far to short to listen to any song longer than 3 and a half minutes
@@yourdrummer2034 missed the point entirely
@@TheEvolver311 ok
@@TheEvolver311 Hendrix not that Damn Old, the young Generation has low Talent Ratio, Now a days, they wouldn't recognize a good Band listing to it......
Cultural relevance is one thing, but creating timeless music that will always be enjoyable to listen to is another. Even if nobody mentions him anymore 200 years from now, people can still listen to Jimi Hendrix's music and be in awe of the skill and craft of it. Musicians like Hendrix, Queen, etc, are artists which leave a legacy that dies out only long, very long after their name has left the zeitgeist.
On the note of Taylor Swift, she didn’t put her catalog on Spotify until mid 2017, so it makes sense that she’d have fewer songs with a lot of streams because all of these streams were accumulated in 4 years and a lot of songs released before that time would have gotten a lot more streams if they were there from the beginning, especially because even the songs that have the most streams on it now are from her 2014 album and she’s been releasing music since 2006.
Girl power + excuses = Absolute Girl Power
@@pitchfolkmedia916 not necessarily making excuses. We're here trying to find explanations for why things are the way they are.
Additionally her re-releasing old albums creates a choice between the older track and the new one which will only lower the total streams of each version
Fewer songs, not less.
Less crime.
Fewer criminals.
Less music.
Fewer musicians.
Happy to help.
Interesting how these bands are so desperate to shut down the playing of their own music as they slip into irrelevance
EXACTLY!
They kinda deserve the "irrelevance" they're going through.
Actually, I think it far more likely that they don't want their work streamed because there is very, very little money in it for them. Hard copy and live performances are still where the big bucks are made.
@@musiclover9361 I'm sure they still think like that, but we're in a situation where playing gigs is a thing for the foreseeable future and hardcopy is dying harder then the Afghan government. I know people who have gone 100% streaming, they have no means whatsoever to play anything hardcopy. And they're purging their music and movie collections. I can get a used CD or movie for like peanuts if I still want a hardcopy. Why pay full price for it? And besides, what new fans are these bands going to get that will buy hardcopy or their tickets if they are restricting play of their music online? They're dinosaurs who are still roaming the Earth after the meteor hit and they're unable to adapt to a rapidly changing situation.
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623, I take your point but perhaps it's my age. I ALWAYS buy hard copy of something I like on the radio or something new from one of my favourite artist/bands. When I go to festivals, I go out of my way to buy stuff from up and coming talent, just to do my little bit to give them a leg up.
@@spanishpeaches2930, I don't know. On UA-cam, there are plenty of unblocked clips and reactions. There's certainly plenty of them with Adam Lambert and Paul Rodgers.
Give the current big hitters 50 years and see how their spin counts stack up.
exactly. there's a lot of 80s bands that are now not even on spotify while all the giants still live on and WILL live on
well xtina is ahead of zeppelin and jimi in monthly listeners, and all but one of her top songs is from the early 00s (the one thats not is from 2013), so there you go. pop stars can have enduring careers too, hate to break it to you.
@@herculesbrofister265 get back to me in 30 years on that
I commented the same thing just now, then saw your comment. Yep, exactly.
Let's just hope Cardi B is at zero by then
From the top of my head, some artists I would've liked to see included for comparison in this video: Metallica, Meshuggah, Elvis Presley, Miles Davies, Radiohead, Bob Marley, Miley Cyrus, Madonna, ABBA.
Search for those artists on Spotify and find out
The Hendrix estates been asleep at the wheel for years. Songs like Manic Depression, Crosstown Traffic, Bold as Love, Little Wing (just to name a few) should be everywhere commercially and on film/tv. It’s no coincidence that his most popular stuff on Spotify is the stuff you only hear in every Vietnam movie
LOL, crosstown traffic, I was singing that song crossing 39th Street on Seventh Ave last week, first time in NYC in ages - hustle and bustle coming back.
it's actually nice that his stuff isn't licensed out to every lousy comic book movie and tv show or used to sell shitty trucks and dick pills. why would anyone want to associate good music with stuff that sucks?
@@arglbargl The "estate" doesn't care as long as checks come in.....you make a good point
Vietnam movie. That’s funny!! True!
@@arglbargl Hendrix was in Watchmen.
A few years ago I heard somebody play a song from Elvis Presley on the piano. There was a 10 year old boy sitting next to me. When I said „Oh listen, it’s an Elvis song!“ his answer was literally „what is Elvis?“ Not WHO is Elvis but WHAT! When I tried to explain to him that he was the king of rock‘n‘roll and a very important singer, the boy answered: „But Freddie is the greatest singer of all time!“ So much for the cultural relevance of Queen. 👸🏽
I can't remember the last time I heard an Elvis song on the radio.
@@gavinreid5387 exactly - if an artist‘s music doesn’t get played publicly, it doesn’t matter how big he once was, he will just not be relevant anymore. And since 1950‘s rock‘n‘roll doesn’t seem to be fashionable anymore, this happens…
That's just absurd.
Chris Cornell is the greatest of all time!
Harumph!
QUEEN won't ever disappear, they've got so many tracks amazing that work so well for so many occasions beyond music,
especially for sports.. like, "We will Rock you".. "We are the Champions".. "Another one Bites the Dust".."Under Pressure".. "Don't Stop me Now"
I've seen them being used in adds. I saw a Dacia Duster ad where they remade the song saying "another one bites the duster" and I remember hearing kids singing it, so it makes sense
@@pedrosilvaproductions Flash floor cleaner is another Queen parody advert. Also they've been straight up used in carpet and sofa adverts in the UK.
Pop music needs more than Spotify algorithms, it needs to be heard LIVE !
On the older bands, a function of the discrepancies in numbers has to be the multiple versions of the same songs they have. Remasters, remixes, rereleases, original albums, greatest hits etc. How many combined plays of all the different releases of We Will Rock You or Hotel California are there? You'll probably get closer to Dua Lipa's numbers. Maybe.
nah they all merge as one. We will rock you on news of the world is the same for we will rock you on greatest hits. one play on one album adds to the song no matter what
@@mrsplashman10 not if there are different versions of the song, like the original comment states - remasters, live versions, etc.
hey jude is beatles' 4th and 5th most popular song if it was just taken as one it would probably be their no. 1 (which it should be imo)
I've never thought of that! it's terrible to dig through live/remaster/remix to find the right track 😂
Queen is huge but they also transcend “rock” they’re like a zeitgeist-y modern opera band. Music that sounds like a soundtrack enters a different stratosphere of cultural relevance. Just like if you look up tunes by older bands featured heavily in really popular movies you’ll see a massive disparity in those tunes versus the rest of their catalogue. It is fascinating though
"Music that sounds like a soundtrack". I hadn't thought of that before, but I think you are on to something. Even songs of Queen's that haven't been used in a soundtrack kind of have that vibe, and that kind of thing seems to hit with people today. I'd say "zeitgeist-y modern opera band" is a good description of them too.
That's a really great observation. Growing up, my family loved both Phantom of the Opera and Queen. I can definitely see how they might correlate musically.
Fascinating, captain. I share your hypothesis. As the official first spokesperson of Vox Populi, It is my duty to award to you the gold medal for Insight expressed in Comments.
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I've always said this. I know quite a few young people who get a large percentage of their music from movies.
Another possibility: For the 21th century artists you've listed, a lot of the monthly listeners could be bars and shops. A lot of the plays could have come from those locations streaming whatever popular all the time.
And they are played in bars and shops because... That's right! It's the playlist game all over again. Label pays curator to put a certain song on the playlist, shop owner puts on the playlist because he needs something that can be in the background and pleasing, so the song gets more plays and it reaches the clients of the businesses. It's a nifty loop for the music industry
Just to note that it is illegal for bars or shops to play music from streaming services or actually even a cd. They are supposed to use a special business music delivery service through which they can pay the required public performance licenses.
What came as a shock (to me) was searching Coldplay on Spotify, a couple of weeks before this video posted. 43m monthly, 1.6 billion for Something Just Like This. After watching your video, we can see what people are listening to mostly, the age groups that tend to listen the most, and why. None of the results you shared surprise me, yet it did come as a surprise before watching. What Andrea Boma Bocarusso said is accurate, create interest via movie, or even TikTok viral videos, you’ll have a classic recreate interest. Remember the guy that longboarded to work while mouthing the words to Fleetwood Mac’s Dreams? 805 million. Not surprising how addictive Tiktok’ing is now because fame is a drug…chasing the possibility of a viral post.
It’s always been about marketing. Beatles understood this SINCE 60’s. And now, u got random ppl making viral vids which is free marketing for labels/performers.
Rick, there is a phenomenon on UA-cam that just might bring back the great music of the past, music reaction videos. Sites like Rob Squad Reactions have millennials loving bands of the 80s and 70s, back to Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong even. My hope is that new great music will come from the appreciation of that generation.
When I bought Spotify I was surprised (in a positive way), that The Police have strong Spotify fan base. This month: over 17M plays (including mine of course).
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This video proves that quality can't be measured by numbers.
To be "relevant" in today's society is no indication of Greatness.
Or that the numbers are skewed because the demographic of the people who are listening on Spotify are different than the people who came up listening to these artists.
Yeah, half the world one really got exposure to music in the last 20 years so that skews the numbers. If spotify and widespread internet access and cultural integration existed in the 1960s the Beatles would be more popular
@@thesmellycatjazz For real, this isn't the revealing takedown of modern music some people are acting like it is. "Artists who released all their songs since this platform came to prominence have more views on that platform than artists who broke up 30 years before it's creation" is about as shocking as saying the sky is blue
The Hendrix estate is big on selling CDs , LPs & DVDs and less on individual online downloads. Hendrix album sales are quite substantial for a musician that died over fifty years ago. The 2020 charts for the incredible Live in Maui album was quite impressive........
I'm still pleased that people who use spotify, necessarily younger than me, still listen to historical music that often. As for me, I'm still listening to CDs, and may bring my LPs back out of storage at last.
main reasons for their popularity fading:
1) most people that love old superstars like Jimi Hendrix probably have a vinyl/cd/cassette and they prefer to listen to it that way. I mainly use spotify to find new artists.
2) jimi hendrix and many others are dead or just don't release new music..which means no advertisement boost. How many plays do Dua Lipa/Billie Eilish etc get through advertisement?
3) as you said, some artists(actually the label or who owns the rights) don't allow their music on some platforms, thus less people get to know them.
Interesting observations....I never use Spotify for anything. It's the devil incarnate. 👹 Once it gets its meathooks into you, there's little chance of turning back. 😱 You begin to prefer over produced bass, auto tune vocals, and highly compressed snippets chosen for you by an algorithm based on your purchases, your search history and whatever you tell Alexa when you think no one else is listening.....🥺
I depend on word-of-mouth, blogs, and watch the new releases from my favorite labels and read others' reviews. I have found such a wonderful variety of artists this way....I also like Bandcamp a lot, too. And then when I do find a band I like, I buy them on vinyl. There is NO substitute for the sound, the beauty of enjoying the artist's complete work, and the tactile feel of the sleeves, the artwork, the liner notes.....vinyl is an experience. Listening to one song by an artist because it is a hit would be like visiting the Statue of David by Michaelangelo, gazing at just the toes, and leaving feeling like you've witnessed great art. But you didn't experience it in its entirety! 😭
@@notpub I don't see Spotify as the devil incarnate to be honest. Even if you don't use it for new music it is quite handy having all of your favourite songs/albums in your pocket when you are on the go. But yes, if I hear autotune I immediately skip..and I always avoid the "trending" songs since most of them are garbage. I basically discover music like I do here on YT..I start from one of my favourite artists and then check the "related artists" tab. Also, I agree with Vinyl being the "full experience"..you just can't replace it!
@@mitonamikawa True, true.
Someone need sto setup a GoFundMe for these struggling artists like Hendrix, Elton, and McCartney...
Poor souls
@@totalrobot Never heard of 'em. You hipsters always pushing some niche artist who probably deserves their obscurity. Next you're going to tell me they were Knighted or something....
the struggle of being dead.. :P
In all fairness Paul McCartney was only struggling until Kanye West discovered him....lol
I’m sure Hendrix would appreciate that, given he’s been dead for 51 years :P
I think about this a lot. Hendrix was roughly 50 years ago. When I was a kid in the 1980s, 50 year old popular music was Glenn Miller, Judy Garland, Bing Crosby, and all that swing jazz dance music. What average 1980s teenager was ever going to listen to that?
MILLER AND CROSBY NOT SO MUCH BUT AS AN AGING 80S ROCKER I ALWAYS LISTENED TO JUDY THE GREATEST SINGER THERE WILL EVER BE RECORDED FRANCIS EYTHEL GUMM
The ‘80s had the best music ever produced, so there was no need to listen to Bing Crosby except during Christmas.
Queen's music is everywhere. It's in commercials, it's in movies and shows, it's in referenced constantly in cartoons and video games, so I'm not surprised younger people would know their music. A lot of the older music gets upticks when it's used in things people watch or play, so the best thing for older artists to do would be to license some of their people out, if not for UA-cam, definitely for movies, TV, and games. That would get them more reach.
The other thing though is what the music sounds like. Those top Queen songs could be made today. A lot of the Beatles songs sound like they're from their time, and I'm sure young people don't like to listen to old timey music. And yes, the music you like is now old timey music.
I listen to queen 1 most of that aged like wine can't say the same for most Beatles slbums
@@yerdasellsavon9232 Well, an Oscar winning movie and regular touring with a relatively younger lead vocalist in Adam Lambert does help with marketing to a younger audience who will be mostly the ones using Spotify.
EXACTLY for over 40 years Queen music is played continuously over most radio stations while not very much of Hendrix was played except the choice few ( purple haze, all along the watchtower etc ) whatever is played all the time on radio is what people hear.
I am so incredibly tired of the same old tunes played over and over and over for my whole life while there are millions of good tunes that never get played.
When Billy Joel comes on the radio I change channel or turn it off , if I can't do either I shoot at it.
I’ve heard can’t stop me now at so many graduations lmao
You cannot underestimate the influence of the gay angle, post Freddie death. In England, in particular, the fact that he was an open homosexual in the 80's was seized upon in his death. The enlightenment of the 90's really ran with that and all the middle-Englanders revelled in the 'danger' and sauciness of Freddie.
Great marketing, in other words.
That's why you can't move for Queen songs, even now.
Hendrix is a bit more difficult to listen to at first. I wouldn’t say his influence is waning. I don’t listen to Bach much. That doesn’t make Bach less important, I hope.
Yeah... just because music fits a few specific ideas closely doesn't mean it's less relevant than more "generic" material
Agreed.
Popularity is not what makes Bach's music important. There was a period after he died when virtually no one listened to him for a century. But his contribution rose again to recognition - world wide.
@@mrfudd13 True, but Rick is talking about modern cultural relevance, and Hendrix has a place in history more than a place here in modern culture, unless his face is plastered on some kids shirt
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Love this stuff, Rick. Really fascinating to see what lasts.
I"M sure many older Beatle fans still play their own CDs and records.
If young people are not listening to a band they are not relevant. Popular music is always driven by youth culture.
@@TheEvolver311 They’re relevant to the older people listen to them, so I reject your “not relevant” claim. This person was just pointing out that these older bands my get more attention than Spotify suggests.
good point.
@@TheEvolver311 very dumb thing to say
@@MrChopsticktech I love to listen to jazz and big band music which were all the mainstream popular music of their time, but it would be delusional to pretend that because some people still enjoy that music that it is still relevant in broader society. Rock and Roll itself has become a very niche genre and is hasn't been the top of the popular charts for over 2 decades now. And acting as if Taylor Swift or Bieber are some how evidence against my statement is silly as they are artist contemporary to the life of the current youth culture driving popular music now. They are artists whom they would have heard on passing growing up in childhood, that is far different than going out of your way to listen to music that your grandparents or even great grandparents enjoyed in their youth and were significant to them.
I think it's interesting to look at the rock & roll originals. I'm glad that most of these legends have kept a solid following, and hope with all of my heart that they don't fade away a couple of decades from now.
Elvis Presley - 13m
Chuck Berry - 5m
Buddy Holly - 1.8m
Little Richard - 1.7m
Jerry Lee Lewis - 1.7m
Fats Domino - 1.2m
Bill Haley - 1.2m
Eddie Cochran - 1m
Bo Diddley - 600k
Carl Perkins - 400k
Gene Vincent - 300k
Thank you for posting. I was thinking about this exact question about the original rock & rollers.
@@scottanderson7804 You're welcome Scott 🙂
Justin has songs over a billion. There’s a difference between popular and biggest songs. You gotta look on desktop.
I'm 42 and personally, i listen to a lot less Hendrix than i used to became i burned myself out. That's true of a lot of my favorite artists. i find myself listening to new stuff these days.
You know what I'm liking here? This is a really lively discussion with lots of people making lots of points and plenty of disagreement or contrary points of view. But I'm not seeing negatives. I'm not seeing nasty. I'm seeing people being respectful when questioning a point. I'm seeing people treat each other well, even in disagreement. This is really really encouraging; and frankly these days, really good for my soul. :) Kinda restores your faith in humans.
I think it’s playlist driven, as in the acts with more recognizable hits likely to be included in a genre or classic playlist, will tend to have more plays and listeners. For instance I’m an indie artist with a steady 55k monthly listeners, BUT when Spotify included me in a big playlist my monthly listeners went up to 180k temporarily!
I was curious as well. Are these stats based on direct requests or are they generated from playlists?
I’ll never forget Jimi Hendrix, I was fortunate to catch him in Detroit a few times. But I have talked with people that don’t know who Jimi is. These people are not musicians, I haven’t met a musician that doesn’t know who Jimi is.
lucky you dave must have been quite something else oh and pretty loud too
Hi Rick, I'm relatively new to your channel, its great I learn a lot and re-enforce a lot. I saw this video today and wanted to say that I believe Commercials have a lot to do with this relative popularity, of late, Queen songs have been used in a lot of Commercials, in fact all the top three in their Spotify list are featured music in several different commercials, I believe that may have something to do with it, I know hearing a Mr. Jukes song on a commercial turned me on to them, maybe others are doing that also perhaps?
My 12 year old daughter was singing Life On Mars the other day. I like David Bowie, but I don't really listen to him a lot. She discovered him on her own.
My kids know who Bowie is, too, but they don't really listen to him much. That thing with your daughter is kinda cool.
No she didn’t. Bowie is pushed hard management, like Queen.
My daughter is 26 and has been a Bowie freak since she was eleven. I'm proud she's so damned cool. She's also a designer, the cool is overbloodypowering.
It's pretty easy to discover old music/artists on decade/hit playlists.
I think another thing with Hendrix is that he's not exactly a stroll in the park sonically. His music is pretty challenging, and I would think especially to contemporary ears use to relatively short tracks that follow a predictable chord progression.
I think Hendrix's music is sonically harsh to modern ears accustomed to keyboard pads, Autotune, repetitive technically perfect performances bar after bar, and the general production gloss sprinkled over everything. It probably sounds like Delta blues to the kids.
@@55vermeer I don't listen to Hendrix often, but his music sticks in my mind .... I have a feeling 100 or 150 years from now, he'll be classed with Bach
@@TomLeg ...and as popular with as small a crowd as Bach is today. But that's okay - if the quality is there that's all that matters in the end. There's a reason it sticks in your mind and my mind too...
For most people he isn't something you listen to in the car because you have to really listen to his music.
@@TheNinnyfee ...Not even 'Crosstown Traffic'?...
The Beatles is probably the biggest name with the largest number of classics, but Queen has classics that are bigger than anything. The fact that they have songs that are synonymous with sports and you can't go to one game without hearing them means that Queen will always be on our mind
That’s funny I hardly ever think of then unless someone brings them up .
Unfortunately.
Queen invented stadium rock.
Rick, GREAT info!!!
If I had to quantify how many times I've paid for the very same music I already own (often countless times) on CD, or Vinyl or Cassette, even 8-track. Platforms like Spotify, Apple Music etc... are more than happy to take my "listening" dollar & put it in their own pockets, while simultaneously paying the actual ARTIST pennies. While the companies that actually sold that music always make the lion's share. Royalties are literally collected at every stop.
I'm not trying to go on & on about the "money trail", but, the issues we see in music today often seem to circle back to the same thing. EAR TAX... this is an Ouroboros of an issue, the beast keeps eating itself to feed itself. I really don't believe the snake knows it's not actually getting any nutrition from a steady diet of it's own ass? The outcome, i suspect, would be death by malnutrition?
Just saying Rick (and anyone who cares about ANY of the Arts), it's a deal with a bank, NOT something to grow on. Music will survive. Not even the greed that holds it back can stop that, artists will always make art. just to note here, profit is not an actual music category. When our kids & their kids etc. first learn to love music as we have, will they ONLY love music they pay for? if this is how "media" works these days, in a world where it's against the law to hear ONE ENTIRE SONG from any artist. there is no room for growth on this kind of diet. In a world where every meal is from McD's & every time we buy lunch, even with an infinite number of choices, we're given only the #2. makes me wonder if our kids will know what a steak tastes like?
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Queen's 1981 live version of "Somebody to Love" has become the rock song with the most (enthusiastic) reactions by far, and many other Queen songs are enjoyable on different levels to all kinds of people and seem to have a timeless quality. Add to this Freddie's flamboyant, larger-than-life persona... The outcome should be no surprise.
WOW, that’s it. They think they are protecting their music, when they are killing it. No one will know who they are one day.
Do you happen to working in the Music Industry ?
Exactly!
@@danieldashdesmond1349 No, just an avid collector of vinyl and CDs.
Queen became common soundtrack to ads. There was a time that "Don't stop me now" was all over the place on every ad. And of course the band became trendy with younger audiences through their biopic.
Hendrix used to be played back in the 2005s. I found out about him in this popular Coco Cola ad that played every where during that time. They had the beginning riff of Purple Haze in the ad and I liked it so much I googled it up. Then I became a fan of Hendrix. I was in high school during that time.
Queen knows how to stay culturally relevant. Releasing songs on TikTok last year, the movie, and not sure how much they pushed (maybe not at all), but all the singing competitions like American idol contestants continues to sing bohemian rhapsody.
Back in 92 they were popular because of Wayne’s World.
Honestly, Spotify just represents one way people consume music. I've never had the app and since the early 2000s I download music to store it locally, I guess a bunch of people still do this, or better yet they still buy CDS and stuff
Totally agree, I still own vinyl, CD's and pay for downloads that I want to listen to. Have never used Spotify to listen to Zep, Rush, Deep Purple and Jimi - it works well for checking out new stuff and then I can make a decision to buy or not. Maybe it is an age thing - I am nearly as old as Rick.
That's true, but Spotify, UA-cam and co. is how 99,9% of todays youth listens to music.
@@irinaradovic130 its the practically of things. I have maybe 2000 songs in my playlist of spotify. If I were to have it in the format spotify presents it i would needs hundreds of Gbs of storage to have it. And I would have to carry it around on my phone. I did do it back in the day. Used to have 10/20 thousand songs stored locally. But the practicallity and easy access to its through spotify makes it a no brainer to use
@@irinaradovic130 But UA-cam wasn't figured into this. I listen on UA-cam all the time, never on Spotify. I really think there's some selection bias here.
@@pedrosilvaproductions I have 1550 songs on my phone at 320kbps and it only takes up 18.4 GB. I have classical and jazz that are much longer tunes as well as shorter rock and pop songs. Lossless audio would be about 75GB but the sonic difference is negligible.
Quick fact: Taylor Swift didn't want her music on Spotify for quite a while until just a few years ago so that's why her streams aren't as high as expected
50 years from now, I'll bet Hendrix has more plays than Justin Bieber, Beyonce and Ed Sheeran, whoever the hell that is.
It's funny that the focus is low monthly listenership. Yet, the Spotify spins/number of plays is still fairly robust.🤔 Even Jimi's numbers show continued popularity. I think it's a stretch to call cultural irrelevance. Today's artists are standing on the shoulders of ALL the old great ones... as they did with the older music artists who preceded them. History begets history.
You’re making a bold statement about modern pop music while advertising your ignorance about it. I’m not even an Ed Sheeran fan but your dismissive statement isn’t backed up, unless things are only popular if you’ve heard of them.
Considering those artists have BILLIONS of streams…I can’t imagine you’re correct
Justin Bieber is the kind of artist that will not be listened to once his young female fans get a little older, although if George Michael could transcend his boy band beginnings, I suppose it's not inconceivable that Bieber can too.
I cannot understand the popularity of Sheeran - he is the epitome of white bread to me. Same with Adele, although she does have a terrific voice. Janelle Monae is a wonderful, imaginative, eccentric artist, but maybe those qualities are what stops her becoming as popular as these others.
@@tonybates7870 that’s what I thought, JB fans were gonna fade away when they got older but here we are, 15 yrs later and 2 generations of fans listening to him. The teens from late 2010s are in the ir 20s and moved on, but new teens are listening to him now
Could not agree more re: the Hendrix estate's absolutely bolloxing the perpetuation of his legacy. Mind-blowing.
As protective as they seem about the money making abilities of his music, they sure don't seem to want to get it out there more, and in turn make more money.
@@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin right on the money, FZ, worst marketing "strategy" EVER! 🎯💸😥