The Strange Death of Professor Shockley | Full Episode
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2023
- A respected professor dies in a hot tub. Two friends are at the scene. Only one survives to tell the tale. "48 Hours" contributor Jonathan Vigliotti reports. Watch more full episodes of "48 Hours" on Pluto TV.
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It’s a really complex case. “Marianne is so intelligent, she wouldn’t have drowned.” But if she was so intelligent she wouldn’t be dating him and doing this amount of drugs and alcohol.
Being intelligent and being able to swim are two different things
@@joeshmooo5327 Being able to swim doesn't seem to matter since she didn't drown. But yeah, intelligent people can still have bad habits and bad taste in partners.
Your 100% correct, I shot off the comment while only part way through,
I agree.
@@joeshmooo5327how would swimming help her? It's a hot tub
WOW. He walked away from a police officer and had time to go into his house and write a suicide note . This entire situation is unbelievable
No jury should ever convict on this evidence. All they had was a bunch of women who had aggressive sex with him and kept coming back for more. The guy shooting himself was all the reasonable doubt you need, should have never gone to trial .
Agreed the police really made it 100 times harder
my first thoughts too, and if its true it took them two hours to call police maybe this note was written then
@@violagentsch🤔
Right!!!
"I know my sister, she wasn't a careless person. "... omg, your sister is doing all kinds of drugs and partying, that's pretty careless
Right! Also drugs and hot tub don’t work together! 🤦🏻♀️
Exactly, one can never be too careful, esp when on drugs
Exactly….like she was careless taking drugs, drinking and bath tubbing.
Look around you. 8/10 of the people have done all those things and it doesn’t result in them dying. So try again
Hanging out with Marcus shows pretty poor judgment.
She wasn’t careless, she was a responsible woman. Really? She was sleeping with a known drug addict at his home, mixing different drugs all while drinking alcohol. Moral of the story, be responsible and carful who are associated with, and don’t do drugs!
Yes, Amen 🙌
Moral of the story: don't do drugs
And drink in a hot tub, especially not when the medical condition of an enlarged heart is present.
I've done plenty of drugs in my 52 years lifetime and never drowned in a hot tub.
I saw a bumper sticker today that said "do milfs not drugs". It made my day. Lol
@@elizabethbronson6977 The only drug I'm totally hooked on.
Amazing that a college professor had such terrible judgement. Who tf do we have leading our kids????
So if one is intelligent they can't drown? That woman is unbelievable!
I know, I actually laughed at that comment. Drowning doesn't mean a person is stupid. Getting wasted and taking X and then getting into a HOT tub? Well, that might be considered stupid.
She's a sister in grief and denial. No one wants to think of their educated, smart sister, choosing to take drugs and alcohol with an enlarged heart and get into a hot tub. Deaths in hot tubs have happened due to any combinations of those.
YAAAAAAS! THANK U FOR SAYING THAT! 🙏
My sentiments exactly I’m like huh?? Does that make any sense🤦🏾♀️
Her sister claiming that she was smart and wasn't careless and couldn't possibly have died thst way didn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially when she admitted that her sister was questioning being in a relationship with a man who did drugs and got violent when he was on them. That right there sounds careless to me. And drinking a glass of wine and taking MDMA are 2 different things. One is going to have a more significant impact on your motor skills.
The best lesson to take from cases like this is to be careful who you surround yourself with. ESPECIALLY if you’re going to engage in risky &/ or illegal behavior. If you’re dealing with an ex con who’s on parole, there’s a high likelihood that if something happens to you, they won’t call 911 asap.
what do you mean be careful? like give examples
@@msf8297 this is not a rulle or a mandament from the byble, just common sense
He was on probation parole is what you get after prison probation is what you get instead of prison
The best lesson to take is not to do drugs esp. when u r an educator.
@@eza_ahm
Difficult to comprehend how someone at her age, and in her position was still behaving as irresponsibly.
I feel very sorry for the sister, but she consistently buries her head in the sand about Marianne's actions.
I don't know anything more than what I learned here, but I do know that I agree, her sister cannot accept the PhD in the family may be able to do drugs and hang with charming 'bad boy' types.
@@stevetruth2696yeah “smart” doesn’t prevent your heart from failing after taking ecstasy after drinking all night after staying way too long in a way too hot tub after possibly engaging in sexual activity which may have involved some choking.
In fact smart doesn’t prevent you from going down this chain of events in the first place
Yes, she keeps saying “my mister was too smart to…”.
Well, the sister apparently was not smart enough to have a grown up man by her side, drink with moderation, avoid heavy drugs, and more than all avoid mixing alcohol+drugs+hot.
Lets also say that entomology is not such a fancy and prestigious discipline eh. And having a PhD is normal for scientists. The family exaggerated a bit her success story, perhaps.
@@ug1969 You can't predict someone's intelligence based on whether she likes to party or not. She didn't exercise the caution she should have, but that's no reason to belittle the entire field of entomology!
I kept thinking 🤔 a PhD but married and divorced 3 times ... Doesn't seem like she had enough smarts to understand relationships, let alone marriage. Her pick-a-man radar was busted. Not to take away the tragic death. That's horrible. Just pointing out something that struck me as odd. Like a personality flaw.
I still think that this was an accidental death, the 2 dope heads panicked and it looked like they were trying to cover up.
Props to the sheriff for being honest about not following policy
It's getting more and more difficult to cover mistakes up with cameras on every police vehicle and every policeman.
@jameshovey8301 Government officials can literally be caught on camera doing something illegal, and will stick with the "Shaggy" defense.
@@jameshovey8301I’m
Georgia Law Enforcement, particularly GBI, has to be honest about not following policy quite often.
@@michellecg4771 your what?
That is the scariest statement in this whole story, because it is far too common.
"I had my mind made up and nothing they were going to tell me was going to convince me that Marcus didn't do it".
Jurors admitting they don't even care what the evidence says. Thank God she eventually listened. What happens in cases where the evidence isn't overwhelming? Or it's not as clear? An innocent person goes to prison.
That jurors statement leave a lot to be desired.
They're all horrible. But Marcus is lying. He didn't forget anything that night. He spent that 2hrs strong arming Clark into not calling an ambulance. Clark felt guilty for letting that lady die.
@@9216years I hope you NEVER are accepted on a jury.
@stevetruth2696 do you honestly believe he doesn't remember anything? Also, his reaction once he heard what Clark did to himself was telling. He starting shitting on the man. If he thought Clark hurt the lady. Then, why wait 2hrs to call for help? I started wanting to believe him. I didn't like the bias toward him either. But, step back and look at the facts.
Honestly commend her for understanding that unfortunately the case was hard to prove on him
"I know my sister wasn't a careless person"
Dates drug addicts, hangs out with other drug addicts, goes bar hopping, does drugs.......
Thank you for saying it
😂 exactly
How is bar hopping careless?
@@lunaamor878depends on who you’re with sand how much you’re consuming, it can be extremely careless
@@lunaamor878Are you kidding? What an absurd remark.
Pretty haunting to see Clark’s last moments on earth
I dont think he woulda killed himself if he wasn't wasted. The horror of her death was amplified by 1000 becuase of the drug.
He looks pretty tormented. Perhaps he was afraid that they'd try to arrest him, too.
@ascendingcosmicsoul1682 yeah, because you knew him personally, and intimately for years 🙄😒🤪
The Son, the young Man who cautioned the dead Lady about his Father shows very good character and the most sound judgement of the lot. I respect him for his courage to warn her. Too bad she did not head his warning, she lacked his good judgment. She made many poor choices even if she was "bug smart".
But what about the fact that his own son thinks he murdered her??
@@SpiritualPlayboy-wt4ththat part!
Legit I kindda hate the sister. She says over and over that her sister was so intelligent she would never drown in a hot tub. Like what? Only stupid people drown in hot tubs? Or drown at all? Her sister was so intelligent she was married and divorced 3 times before the age of 30 and did drugs in the woods with hippies. That's how intelligent her sister actually was.
Yep, I agree with you.
That's maybe her way to handle the dead of her sister!?
Lessoriginal. Relationships are not a matter of only smart/not smart.
Oh now he's blaming the devil.
exactly
My sister is not a careless person…pumping yourself with alcohol and dangerous drugs is beyond careless.
Intelligence does not mean one has wisdom or common sense. Hard drugs and alcohol should never be mixed.
Ok church lady 👌🏻
@@Spooky_515 Mixing uppers and downers are really bad for your body. Alcohol is a downer and MDMA which she took is an upper. And given her existing heart condition this really is a recipe for disaster. No need to call @Laura Schroeder (OP) a church goer.
@@Spooky_515 🤡
@@Spooky_515👈Tweeker 🙃
Well, the hot tub was likely the trigger. Unintended death from hot tubs happen.
It was a weak case. I'm not even convinced that this lady was even murdered at all.
The best they could have tried him on was failure to contact authorities in a timely manner.
Exactly. Maybe negligent homicide since he didn't get help
She died the same way Matthew perry did unfortunately
Except that his drug of choice was Fentanyl.@@FyreStartr
If she didn't have water in her longs, then she was strangled.
@@carloszuniga9803OR she had a cardiac episode and died.. no breathing
Interesting how the sister of the deceased says ‘my sister is not a careless person,’ yet there she is doing Ecstasy at the age of 40-50 years old….
I actually do agree with the jurors. There was way too much doubt in this case. I actually do believe that Marcus didn’t even know what happened because he was so high on Coke 😕 They all were, and it would have been really hard to find out what really happened 🤷🏻♀️
I've been on that and the only thing I felt was a need to go number 2 and paranoia.
Either way he deserves to rot in jail. He should have been convicted.
This assumes he is not lying
@@dannyhernandez2203Everybody's tolerance is different
@@azazello1784 So do you.
Makes me mad when the sister implies smartpeople wouldnt drown!! If she was so smart why did she go in a hot tub while under the influence? But its an odd one and hard to know what happened. Im sure the people there didnt really know as they were not sober enough to.
I had the same thought. It doesn't matter how clever you are drinking all night will make you stupid. Excess alcohol and hot tubs do not mix.
She must have been chocked and thrown on the hot tub!! My thinking
@@catherinemumbua8251 But they were already in the hot tub, it must have been that old man.
I dropped acid in a skyscraper a few weeks and as I put the tab on my tongue I sang out loud to others in the group (also on acid)
"Taking acid in a skyscraper 🎵🎶" and at the end of the night everyone was fine in fact we were flying, happy days 😅
Exactly! My ex-husband drowned in a hot tub and he was a university professor. His doctor said when you have alot of alcohol in your blood your blood pressure bottoms out making you unconscious. Smart people still have substance abuse problems.
"Just a little pressure on them carotid arteries..." Lol. That's gold.
😂😂😂😂😂 literally sounding like a serial killer
Haha that was funny, but he's not wrong LoL it's supposed to be euphoric.
All three were tripping balls and only God knows what happened. Those drugs are strong and depending on how much they took they could have been talking to animals and trees.
Exactly, unfortunately, but exactly!
Honestly, that was my first thought - it wasn’t a homicide. No one did it.. absolutely could of been from the ecstasy (which dehydrates you significantly) and being in the hot tub, drinking and THEN having a health concern/heart issue as well. Also, waiting too long to call 911.. maybe they could have saved her, maybe not. We will never know. It was a unfortunate combination of bad choices and circumstances. ✌🏼
Well said.
This case has stuck with me because there are way more questions than answers in regards to this case.
She wasn’t a careless person? She drank a lot and took ex.
If I heard this was an intelligent woman one more time I would throw up in my mouth a little bit. It is one thing to be to doing heavy narcotics in your twenties (not smart, but everyone has there own self discovery), it is another to be in your mid 40s doing these drugs with a self centered narcissist. Being able to catalog insects does not make one intelligent. I think the verdict was correct, all they had were women that had aggressive sex with him who kept coming back for more. The guy blowing his head off was enough reasonable doubt, surprised they even brought this to trial.
The sister kept saying how smart Mary Anne was. Well sorry but doing drugs and drinking while around water doesn’t sound like the most intelligent woman in the world. She sounds like she lived a wild life 🤷🏻♀️ I’m not saying she deserved to be killed but she def lived a life in the edge
I would like to know the conversation between Clarke and Marcus in the 2 hours before calling 911.
She died and they freaked. The criminal pasts of the two men likely complicated it for them. And they were using drugs and alcohol too.
"Hey dude, you got some more ecstasy?"
"Yea, man. Let's use it all up before the cops get here and confiscate it all."
"Ok, cool"
2 hours later..............
"Whoa. Where did we lose 2 hours of time, dude?"
"I don't know. Wait. Is she still breathing?"
"I don't think so. Maybe we should call 911 now."
Go back in time.
Time of death is a guess. Not a science.
The jury got this right. Whether Marcus killed this woman or not we will never know but the law states in order to convict it must be "beyond a reasonable doubt". The moment Clark walked back into his home and blew his head off is the exact moment "reasonable doubt" was established and by that action alone, the jury must acquit. The law is the law.
i agree. I also think there is reasonable doubt bc fr this woman clearly could have simply drowned. That said, this dude is so severely unlikable and creepy I can see how LE became fixated on him.
Also the written suicide note of Clark said he's sorry she died on his watch. He didn't say he murdered her nor did he say she was murdered on his watch. That said, Marcus is definitely unlikable but the jury got this right.
The law is the law….
Agreed
That’s how people catch assault or gun charges .. bond out/ PTA
Then a week later cut a few citizens on the train…
Country needs to tighten its belt with repeat offenders.
Even 1st timers
squeeze them so hard they’ll have to think before they act and if not…
Few years might help
Why is committing suicide a sign he killed her? He could have felt guilty he didn't call 911 sooner and a myriad of other reasons. The police were questioning them like they both did it almost immediately and that's enough to push some people over the edge
Yeah plenty of doubt in this case. How and why were not proven.
"If she was so scared when I was choking her, then why didn't she say anything?" BECAUSE YOU WERE CHOKING HER!!!
😂😂
I consent to being lightly choked and if I feel like it's too much, I tap out. The fact those women allowed themselves to be choked out and wanna complain about it now, is ridiculous and opportunistic. They wanted to be involved in a criminal case and needed to play victim in my opinion. If they gave a statement where they asked him to stop and the man stopped, then I don't believe he was being malicious or violent.
@@CandyKG28 how do you know she didn't try tapping out?
@@CandyKG28you can only do that with someone you trust with your life. Otherwise what happens if they don’t stop? Stay safe.
I feel bad for the sister and family's loss, but I have a graduate degree and almost choked on a pancake that got lodged in my throat while stone cold sober in the middle of my office building. And I've seen just enough recreational drug use among (good/smart/kind) friends that I wouldn't rely on them to save my life in a hot tub. Being brainy doesn't translate to perfect behavior or the ability to avoid dumb accidents or dumb people.
Clearly Marcus isn't a great guy, but I can't say I disagree with the jury in this. I think there were too many possibilities creating doubt around a tragic accident to convict Marcus just because he survived. You know the prosecution would have done the same thing to Clark if it was the other way around regardless of evidence.
"The crickets add a little crunch." me (candied nuts will do just fine)
I always find it weird that people who have no problem eating a carved up cow cringe at the thought of an insect.
Insects are eaten all around the world every day. You eat them too and you just don't know it.
I hate to break this to you, but products like peanut butter have an "allowable limit" on contamination by insects and other matter. You don't think there are millions of people out there checking billions of peanuts before they go into a masher, right?
There's lizards, rats, mice, bugs, all kinds of stuff goes into the food you eat and you have no idea.
Right I thought walnuts 😂😂
i dunno who, if anyone, killed her but from what was provided in this story, there's more than reasonable doubt that it was marcus and not clark or a combo of drugs, alcohol, and a heart condition ... in other words they did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that marcus did it
The family does not like to mention all the drugs she was on. Ecstasy, alchohol, weed, plus the hot tub.
Seriously who will take an ecstasy then jump into hot water? Consumed an MDMA itself (without any other drugs or alcohol) needs a cool even cold temperature otherwise your heart will beating too fast. As MD let me explain a little bit, MDMA dilates blood vessels combined with hot bathtube the blood vessels will dilate even more, put the body on a severe dehydration state - which results the heart will desperately pumping blood so hard as a compensation to fullfilled demands of each organs. Severe Tachycardia could end with Cardiac Arrest, esp. when the victim already has Cardiomegaly. Well, that's why the guy (Marcus) jumped out and went to the forest, instinctly he needs to cool down to maintain his heart rate. This case looks like an accident for me.
I agree and well said in your comment
Don't do drugs, kids. Don't do drugs.
Doing drugs never ends good
especially with violent ex cons
Ppl have been telling us this since childhood. We don't listen lmao
I agree with the jurors. A man killed himself when police arrived and started asking questions for goodness sake! This guy may not be a model citizen whatsoever but I am thankful that unbiased jurors went only by the evidence presented. That being said, her death is tragic and I’m very sorry for her family.
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Here's the thing, he was definitely remorseful of something and he stated it. He was sorry she died in his watch. He wasn't sorry he killed her, he also didn't say she was murdered on my watch.
The third party medical examiner also stated strangulation wasn't sure. And there are other possible causes of death. He also said he wouldn't call it a homicide.
I think there are reasonable doubts all around.
It must suck to be on extacy when the cops are questioning you about a deceased person.
Stop defending murderers.
@@catsinpajamas Can you honestly say that Marcus is the murderer? The jurors were presented with all the evidence yet it only took them 30+ minutes to decide he's not guilty. That shows you there is no conclusive evidence that says he murdered her or if she was even murdered. You also know that a third party medical examiner paid for by 48 hours (not the defendant, so this is an unbiased medical examiner) cannot conclusively say that she was strangled? And that she has a pre-existing heart condition. Uppers (ecstasy) and downers (alcohol) cannot be mixed as it will stress out your heart and she took both and she has a pre-existing heart condition. So unless you have evidence that the jury didn't see, I don't know how you can say with absolute certainty that he was a murderer.
39:47 - I can't stand Judges who hide behind "this court..." You mean YOU! The man was given a fair trial. He was found not guilty. But because YOU didn't agree with the jury's decision, you want to be vengeful and lock him up anyway for some meaningless drug violation.
Exactly. It was clearly personal for her. She probably had a similar douchy boyfriend break up with her recently.
periot
I was waiting for someone to make that point. What a misuse of power. Awful.
Marianne's sister has so much hatred for Marcus, she didn't care about finding out what really happened to her, she rather take the opportunity to out Marcus in prison. She could have died from a lethal combo of substances, but seriously who kills themselves right after the police are questioning you about a death on your watch?? A guilty person usually.
I think Marcus strangled her, she passed out, and because he left her in the water she drowned.
Yes, but guilt because he killed her or guilt because he didn't protect her?
I agree with u. We will never know exactly what happened to Marianne that night. However, her sister completely took any responsibility of the events that night away from her sister. No matter how smart someone is they can still make poor choices and lapses of judgement. That night she made plenty of poor choices that could’ve cost her life. Drugs r a deadly game to play with especially when u don’t even know about a hidden health condition. For Clark to commit suicide truly threw so much doubt on everything as well. An innocent person doesn’t just blow their brains out in the middle of a questionable situation that they could help solve with answers only they could give.
I think Marcus killed her and went in the woods when he thought she was just passed out. The old guy killed hisself when he thought the drug he supplied caused it
This ones hard. If hes used to strangling his loves, he wS also on ECSTACY and woulda felt even more emotion in the act! Or the other man also high with it coulda made a move and her neck was already brusied from past strangling in sex w her bf
Whenever you hear descriptors like, “charming, charismatic, etc” it usually means they are narcissistic con artists. Unfortunately, if the person is super attentive, fun-loving, lays on the charm, and wants to move fast in the relationship, you need to be careful. *Anyone* can be fooled by these types, it just depends on how skilled they are at adapting. But if you have had trauma or neglect in your background, be extra careful with establishing boundaries. If you have issues with boundaries and self love, stay away from these types all together.
Very well said. ❤
I believe that too
Absofuckinglutely I had a kid with the master of "charisma"....
excellently stated.
@@mamarobynMe too😪 He became abusive when I became pregnant. A pregnancy we both wanted! But "I wasn't paying him enough attention" so I deserved to be demeaned and verbally abused.
I don’t understand what such an intelligent woman was doing making such terrible decisions about drugs… alcohol… relationships…. It makes no sense!
A truly intelligent person wouldn't be playing such stupid games.
Where is it written that intelligent people are incapable of engaging in high risk behaviors? Relationships can be as addictive as substance abuse.
Married and divorced 3 times and you think she would pick better but nope
@@R.O.T.C._SEEM boy that statements hits home so bad with me. So many times for fun I like up a guy that is dating someone I know and I find four DUI, DV or battery charges. Resisting arrest, drug issues and theft charges and the women will say that was five years ago. Yes it was but his criminal went on for 25 years. Did you see the 48 hours about the pawn shop owner knives his wife to detain the garage and takes a shot at the judge that handle his divorce Than some horse lady he met at the shooting range is going to bat for him he's a innocent man.
She had a hole in her life I guess.
sister said my sister was too smart to drown in a hot tub....but she was poppin pills and getting high....ok lol
That smirk he has on his face as he speaks is nauseating.
I thought so too 🤢
"I gave it to my dad" and he burned it? How convenient
She lying
I really have no clue what happened to that beautiful woman. So so sad. But one thing that’s really strange to me is how Clark had enough time not to only commit suicide but he had time to write a whole suicide note! Very strange case 😢
Suicide note would take a minute or two.
@@Spooky_515 Still🙄
I wouldn't say beautiful. She was like a 5 and obviously led a pretty toxic lifestyle.
Beautiful? How about not ugly?
Big red flag for sure
That professor’s poor judgment, heavy drinking and drug use ended with her death. Such an appalling horror story.
23:03 "I know my sister - she wasn't a careless person..." - With all due respect, allowing alcohol and drugs to enter her life at her age was kind of reckless. Drugs carry their own logic which is why this case is so messed up. "Hey you got acid? No, but I got ecstasy. Okay, close enough." This is the talk of druggies, not the most logical of people. But ultimately I think it had to do with sex and perhaps she didn't want to go along with it. She was strangled but instead of being unconscious, she was dead. Did Marcus offer this as payment for the ecstasy? It would explain Clark's sense of guilt.
Why wasn’t Marcus charged with not calling for medical help sooner than 2 hours after her death?
It could be he thot she was going to cone too from drug ingestion and he didnt want her professorship endangered.
@@susanaldridge2000 Mmh I don't think a narcissist will ever think of her professorship being endangered, they only think always about themselves.. his drugs past...hoping she was not death but in the end I think he must be charged with not calling medical help immediately, if he really loved her so much that was the first thing to do.. but I think he loved himself more as is always the case with narcissist person's..
@@wendelavanbeurden3537 I don't know if there is a criminal law compelling anyone to call 911. If you saw someone passed in the parking lot, but chose not to get involved, I don't think they can do anything. Now a civil lawsuit is a different thing.
@@powerboatguy2308 There's a Good Samaritan law, but IDK if it's a thing in GA.
The prosecution, examiners, and law enforcement made a mess of this one. Sympathies to the families and those charged.
You think a professor should be smarter than letting individuals like this in her life!!
Being a professor is over-rated in my opinion, she stayed in a school a couple of extra years cataloging insects. there seemed to be nothing intelligent about her. 3 divorces, going out with a looser, heavy drug user, womanizer and convicted felon drinking in her 40s while doing ecstasy.
Professors are often idiots. I ought to know...
Ecstasy and dehydration from alcohol is known to make you die even when no other risks are involved.
And taking drugs when you have heart disease is a huge risk factor.
Why do family and close friends always make you believe that almost every victim was an angel?
Just what i was thinking
Same thing I was thinking
I mean as far as true crime goes though I totally feel where you're coming from because that seems to be a common theme but I accidentally came across your comment and I couldn't help but say what I said. I'm sure if you don't ever lost anybody that you really love the very last thing that you think about or talk about is all of the negative and bad things about them. I wasn't trying to be rude though.
It's their way of trying to sanitize their memory of them & their image before the world.
@@Moonewitch by lying? Yeah right.
Drugs, sex, fantasies and a professor! Everything about this case is bizarre. Ladies, please make better choices!
You’re blaming the woman here? Y’all will do anything but actually blame who is at fault
@@DporvidaI mean it kinda is tho, she’s the one that chose to hangout with those weirdos
@@Dporvida Are you saying she did everything that a careful, intelligent, logical person would have done?
@@Dporvida To advise women to stay away from dangerous people is not blaming women. It's common sense.
@@Douglas_Hamilton Thanks for having an unbiased opinion and a better reading comprehension level than at least 65% of the Internet users.
Lol she was a beautiful person bc she cared about bugs. That’s basically what her friends said lol. Geez.
But also endorsed eating said beloved bugs.... 🧐
”She's on the cutting edge! Of the industry!”
Okay, lady.
😂😂😂😂😂
Bugged out.
This show is such an amazing and incredible show, just enjoy how they tell all about the victims lives and who they were such a shame for all of those who have lost their lives and their families and friends who have and still deal with their loss❤
Not so amazing and incredible for the poor victims and their families!!!
It's the saddest program one could watch and I can't even continue, after just few minutes. It's too upsetting😢
Deputy watching Clark needs to be fired.
It's The Staircase all over again!! Drinks by a pool, a freak accident, and a husband in trouble.
That’s not her husband tho
Remember to walk away from the police when they take phone calls......
That only works for white people
i’m surprised a guy like that called 911 and didn’t just try to dispose of the body…which is actually what makes me think he didn’t do it
He didn't get time to plus he was too high and Clark called 911.
The sister lying didn’t help.
If she was strangled, couldn't they look for signs on her neck? "findings on the neck were subtle. They could have come from resuscitation attempts" Umm,sure, squeezing the neck is a common technique
U made me laugh with that last line ..
I don’t believe Clark did anything but he’s just a man with feelings and he felt guilty for being associated…if he killed her or knew what happened he would of said so in the letter.
BS of course he was responsible. Why would he commit suicide huh ?????
@@anneleeuwen2105 That’s ridiculous - sadly, there are tons of suicidal individuals all over the place, a subset of whom will attempt it relatively soon, and a subset of those who will be successful. This man was very likely already morbidly depressed and for quite a while.
@@x77punk77x I think this is the case. I think he either (1) knew Marcus did something to her or (2) thought she died accidentally, but in either event he simply could not live with himself knowing that this happened on his watch. Marianne's death wasn't the sole reason for his suicide, but it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I truly believe that if he was responsible he would've confessed in his letter instead of letting his surviving friend (Marcus) suffer the consequences.
@@anneleeuwen2105 wasn't Clark a shrink that had charges brought up on him. Just like Marcus was on probation for drug charges, as we can see by Marcus your don't want to call the police
would've
The fact that he said “for once in his life he was a violent guy” shows that he has some guilt for accusing his friend of the crime. He can’t bring himself to *completely* defame his character.
Or he just knows he didn't do it, and he's been repeatedly told that someone did (even though there's no evidence of a crime).
If they convinced him that she was murdered and he knew he didn't do it, then there's only one other person he could believe did it.
The fact that he says the man wasn't ever violent at all to anyone, only supports the notion that this was an accidental death.
Sister 'I know my sister wasn't a careless person.' but... a highly educated adult woman is acting like a 17 year old on a fake ID, on drugs and having sex with this guy. That doesn't sound careless at all.
That’s so sad that the family has to pay wrongful death! The man killed himself! What did his family have to do with this?
I wouldnt pay a dime
@@milkyo1206 I agree...how is that anyone's fault but the person that pulled the trigger? To me, both men had guilt in the death of this woman.
Ya, they couldn't prove he did it. I don't think his estate should've paid anything.
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It may be sad, but the guy's own suicide note admitted some level of guilt in that it happened on his watch. It sucks for sure, but it's why people have homeowner's policies.
Let’s be clear a substance abuse issue DOES not equal you killed your girlfriend
Unpopular opinion he has nothing to do with this
I agree
@@Spooky_515 AND no disrespect but was she not a grown woman trippin' balls off ecstasy in a pool .... come on now
A history of strangling women does
@@ginacampbell8766 They can't even prove conclusively that she was strangled. Do take note that an unbiased medical examiner said that strangulation was inconclusive. This unbiased medical examiner was not paid for by the defendant but rather paid for by 48 hours. So he had no motive to come up with findings that point one way or the other. And his findings say he would never call it a homicide.
He is a scumbag but I don’t think he killed here either. I’m sorry for her family but this bright successful woman was living a chaotic lifestyle, drinking in excess and drugs. She probably fell asleep in the hot tub or her enlarged heart had something to do with it.
The boy is mad at his dad for a very long time that's why he wanted him gone.
I have no idea why the victim's self-esteem was so low that she subjected herself to this man, but also the drugs and alcohol abuse, leading to many poor decisions. And I speak as a survivor of domestic violence.
Drinking and drugging can be self medicating for mental health issues. Depression comes to mind.
Glad you survived!
DV isn't one size fits all. I am not sure the victim's sister is completely objective in this case. Understandable.
now the man gets no such consideration right? Because hes a "bad man" predator. Who cares about his self esteem and why it was so low that he engaged in the same lifestyle that she did and his poor decisions while on drugs and alcohol... he gets no such excuse only she does.. sexist much. Take responsibility for your self. Quit blaming others.
@@ScreamingEagleFTW wow. We were discussing the dead not the living. You Floridians really like to rant off topic and try to start culture wars. Why don't you go try to rob a Wendy's drive-through with Gator as a weapon or some such other Florida nonsense?
Survivor what? Cut out the woke nonsense.
Cocaine, ecstasy , mary jane and alcohol mix can't end well.
Clark took the truth to his grave. My personal opinion is he got handsey with the Prof, she refused him. He has been accused of inappropriate sexual behavior before, so… the Jury got this one right.
I believe the same thing. On top of that the drug ecstasy makes people want to get down, if you know what I mean. He probably went too far with her.
@@AllHailKingRose yep definitely. The haunted look in his eyes, he knew he done fu**ed up.
Agreed
@RosiePetals2727 Agreed! 💯
Marcus was accused of strangulation by eight different women!
There’s a lot of questions unanswered in this sad case of the death of Marianne Shockley, but one of the biggest ones is how the jury could only deliberate for 38 minutes. There’s no possible way they could’ve gone over all the evidence in the trial in that short amount of time.
That part exactly
They were smart enough to know the guy who did it, shoot himself.
@@gcow8328 Highly doubt Clark did it. Although it did look suspicious that he shot himself right after Marianne’s death, the evidence points more towards Marcus imo.
@@meredithstebbins6303 Bro what? Dude literally shot himself.
@@meredithstebbins6303which evidence??
Nothing more disgusting than a bunch of grown adults doing drugs. How foolish.
Marianne's sister sounds snarky. Perhaps it's pain over the death of her sister. Sad that they were all using drugs. Professor Shockley wasn't better than her boyfriend (both drug abusers). She was also post-3rd marriage. They were both prone to some very bad choices. However, I am human, and not judging her. Nobody gets it all right. I certainly don't. I hate that she died tragically. My condolences.
I don't think sister can understand the Ecstasy and hot tubs don't mix
@@kimmiegirl810 I think sister's heart is struggling with the death of her sister, and needs someone to blame OTHER THAN her sister. Marianne, sadly, put herself in a bad situation. Anytime drug abuse enters the equation, risk goes way up for a bad outcome. I respect your comment very much! It was very good.
@@deborahwilliamson5655 I think you are right.
You don't judge?
@@KoolKat42022 I so love you people who scroll through comments so you can pick a fight. Not today. Sorry.
Mary Anne seemed pretty dim considering she had a phd.
I have a PhD and worked with many. They tend to be weird. 😎
He's all smiling in court the whole time.
Clark confirmed that Marcus had gone into the woods when he said, “When he came out of the woods..” I actually believe the crazy story about him wanting to recreate the shaman thing. Combine that with Clark refusing orders (told four times) to stay out of the crime scene and, most of all, the suicide, I believe he (Clark) killed Marianne. Being worried because a death happened at your house and that he’d given her an Ecstasy tab just doesn’t cut it as a reason to blow one’s head off. I can picture a scenario of Marcus going in the woods, Clark gets in the hot tub with Marianne, makes a pass at her, she refuses and he flips and strangles her, also being concerned she would tell Marcus.
Sounds about right... I wish they had gone into more details about any bruising, petechiae or marks on her neck though. I only saw where they said that one bone wasn't crushed. Wouldn't there be other significant signs of choking? If boyfriend was into sex choking "and he took it too far" wouldn't there be a LOT of significant signs from being choked a lot?
I kinda think she could of fought Clark off if that happen.
@@michellehillman2889 Yeah, it looks, though, like she’d been drinking a good bit and he would’ve had the element of surprise on her, plus it’s hard to fight in water.
@@gabe-po9yi true I wrote that mid way through. By the end of the episode in now think maybe they did it together.
Too bad Marcus didn't bury himself permanently.
Pressure on the carotid arteries kills without getting near the hyoid bone.
Idk about this one. The fact that Clark ran in the house & killed himself says alot & they barely even mentioned it. Just bc Marcus was her BF doesn’t mean he was the one who killed her (if anyone did). They really had very little/no proof of anything. I think the jury did a good job & the judge overrruled.
just because he was her BF???? wtf??
I feel so sorry for Marianne that her life ended this way and also for Clark that left this case unexplicable.
I haven't gone through all the evidence, but I just don't believe there was enough to convict him.
I honestly don't believe Marcus killed her. I think either it was just a freak accident, due to the alcohol, drugs and heat of the hot tub.. or the older man, Clark, had something to do with it.
I think it was a freak accident 😢
I also think freak accident. Most people are ignorant of the risks of hot tubs, and that "do not use while under the influence of drugs or alcohol" is not just a suggestion.
Y'all keep ignoring that the autopsy revealed that she was strangled to death - how can that be a 'freak accident'? She was strangled to death. Watch the damn documentary 🙄
Sounds like Marcus charmed you too
I was going to comment on that. I saw a video on the dangers of hot tubs and substances. If you consume too much alcohol or drugs and stay in a hot tub for too long you can easily pass out and drown. I think the gash on her head and waiting to call 911 made them question if it was intentional. But what are you supposed to do, leave someone in there so they can see exactly how it happened? I think I would pull the person out to see if I can save them also.
Benjamin Franklin stated it as: "it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer".
Ben Franklin also said, "After 3 days, fish and house guests stink". Old Ben had a lot of adages.
Family is in denial. If Marrianne is so intelligent why was she drinking n taking drugs. Why was she dating a guy like Marcus? Why she went to hot tub when she should know its not safe in that mental condition? She was living recklessly just like Marcus was. Sister comes up with some letter which didn't even exist. The family did their level best to blame Marcus but sister own actions led her to dangerous path. N it turned out tragically.
There was plenty of reasonable doubt, so the jurors were correct to acquit, imo. After listening to this story, I myself had no clue how she died. The fact that Clark went and offed himself when police started asking questions was very odd & unusual and muddled the case even more. Even if he was depressed and suicidal, why do it at that exact moment? Did he do it because of a guilty conscience? Did she die as result of underlying illness, excebarated by drug use? Or did Marcus Lillard strangle her? I really could not answer after listening to this case. That letter the sister claimed to have read, pure hearsay. I am surprised she was allowed to testify about it. She seemed like she really hated the guy so who's to say she wasn't making things up? It is exactly in cases like these that a not guilty verdict is warranted, even if the defendant is not a model citizen.
I feel like the ecstasy led to him feeling that extreme guilt. Whether Clark was guilty or not, that drug can make you feel those emotions deeply. Especially, upon the realization that someone has died… I’m sure that would be the reason why he decided to just take his life.
@@foodiesteph Having never taken that drug or any drugs at all, it's hard to fathom, but plausible I guess. I've heard multiple cases in which drugs, esp meth, makes people do the most bizarre homicidal or suicidal things, ie the Taylor Schabusiness case out of Wisconsin. Absolutely horrific.
I don’t think Clark killed her but I think the guilt and trauma of her death, plus the fact that at age 69 if he went away for the drug dealing and failure to render aid he would’ve most likely died in prison, drove him to end his life on his own terms rather than getting sent to prison
I think drugs and alcohol was to blame for everything that happened that night
How boring and church like that sounds, it's the truth.
“Someone to have fun time with and move along “ typical reason to be killed by that “ someone “
She had a hand in her own death. Had she been with a better group of friends she would still be alive.
Well educated, beautiful, and highly esteemed but can still make wrong decisions in life. May her family find comfort and peace. And for Marcus hope you will learn to be humble after prison life, start fresh and cherish relationships. Even your son doesn't speak anything good about you, sad.😏
Id gotta say the old man saw a woman high as a kite and nearly nude in his hot tub all alone and went over there to see what he could get up to.
He killed himself for a reason besides some drugs.
I’m glad the jury came together. So often it’s automatically pointed at the partner, but this literally has zero evidence. They weren’t even onto the whole strangling thing until others called in about it. Plus they all mentioned it was only during sex, not like when fighting ect….
I may have felt different if the part with Clark didn’t happen, but that’s so bizarre. Also him admitting why he went in the woods is kinda embarrassing but leads me to think he was being legit?
Idk but it’s so so sad!! Her poor family
Only He said he went in the woods. Sounds like a story.
@@patedwards8844he was high. You’d be surprised how often people dig holes or walk into woods when they are
Best to do drugs when one person there is sober and able to supervise in case of emergency. I’m not against drugs but I am against irresponsible use. Rest in peace bug professor 🦋
It’s best to be mature and responsible and not do drugs at all.
@@Junkinsally or like they said. Be responsible about it….
@ Lisa A Johnson thanks for the info, Nana. I hope you tossed out your medicine cabinet and bottles of wine after that statement.
I just had to read again what she wrote
@@Junkinsally let’s be reasonable and real here. People are going to use drugs. Always have and always will. There is nothing wrong with telling people to be responsible while they do it because it is inevitable.
Lmao that juror was insane. Guilty until proven innocent.
Thank God the judge has the last word. She knew that just the fact they waited to call 911 showed culpability, as well as the suicide of the accomplice.
Just because you don’t like a guy doesn’t make him a murderer if you can’t prove it.. I saw no arguments near where anybody should agree “beyond a reasonable doubt” that he killed her.
It was a bunch of bitter women. Of course the exes are gonna say he did something to them if they ended the relationship badly.
What a brave and courageous son...insightful.
Or angry & bitter ?
Brave and courageous, to go on national television and tell tall tales about his father that absolutely nobody else can prove or discredit.
He's looking for notoriety, he's got absolutely no integrity and if he did, he'd have never done the interview; like a vast majority of people who refuse to do interviews like this.
Or he had an axe to grind.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 You're the one who knows what the truth is?
actually I have see better rabid dogs
This is unfortunate for me. I see no motive. After the old man gave them the "good thing" and then he leaned on the edge of the pool, the woman decided to get into the hot tub, her boyfriend decided to recreate a scene with his head down and passed out in the bushes. Just for those 1-2 hours. She goes into cardiac arrest during this time, or something bad with the mix of drug and alcohol. Returning from the bushes, he sees what happened (and the old man may have already known and written the letter). The old man has decided what to "do" with himself seeing the unfortunate result of the drug. The fact is that they were all very high and it ended fatally for two of them. In my opinion.
Great comments by everyone. This case clearly shows that any of us could be charged with a crime at any time even when there is no physical evidence whatsoever. There was clearly a reasonable doubt when the only other witness blows his head off with a shotgun while the officers are at the scene. Why the judge allowed witnesses to testify about the sexual choking is beyond me, the prosecution could not even confirm there was sex involved that night. The juror mentions that the guy who killed himself was not on trial that day...well, he sort of was if there is a possibility he might have been involved in her death. I am truly thought the jury was going to convict. Glad they didn't, this case was one of the weakest homicides I've seen in a while. Small town injustice at its finest.
If you're so blotto that you don't know what's going on around you, be prepared to be the one to be blamed. Stay alert people ❤
I wasn't there but j suspect that they have the wrong man.