If you put a million dollars in front of Sam Seder and told him “this is yours if you can explain Jesse Signal’s position,” he’d have to borrow bus fare home. I don’t think he’s read a single one of that man’s articles.
@@greenesthue1545 If you'd ever watch him, you'd know that he says all the time that he's not particularly brilliant or even a very good debater. He just blows people up who've never met anyone with an opposing point of view and can't handle it when someone pierces their bubble. Some day I hope you have your bubble burst. UA-camrs pretending like their opinion will somehow determine how transgenderism is going to be treated instead of psychiatrists are just delusional. It's just a bunch people having opinions for entertainment purposes. I like Sam because his message is, stop attacking transgender people, it's literally killing them. Whatever you think the "facts" are, you don't know. Stop pretending like you do. Smarter people than you will figure it out. Medicine isn't done by youtubers or youtube commenters. Tell me about the treatments for schizophrenia that have failed over the years. You don't know any, do you? Because they're not a group that a political party has decided to attack. Every single person accusing Sam of bath faith, are themselves acting in bad faith. Because he actually cares about these things (he could have stayed in TV and movies and made a lot more money), whereas people like Adam and Sitch care about growing an audience to make money online because they don't have any actual skills.
The last person Jesse should talk to is an activist. They are clearly agenda-driven and have no desire to actually discuss the intricacies of the treatment surrounding gender dysphoria.
I honestly don’t understand what’s so controversial about saying, “we are still learning about this”. Emma and Sam just accept all this garbage without question, and get so upset that people want more data
@@MrRivech nah. Crowder obviously ran because he was scared. You know how Sam and Emma were flailing like flustered chimps here? That's exactly how Crowder reacted when he was ambushed by Sam.
I would almost go on to say that anyone who has any positive relationship with Sam Seder or Emma Vigeland should be seen as someone inherently disreputable, because there's no way an honest person can believe either one is an honest actor.
I like how the majority report always goes "I don't know anything about this" Person: Oh so you don't know anything "No I know everything about this." They've done this so many times it is disgusting. Talk about bad faith
Sam & Emma really had to turn up the performance artistry here bcuz they were up against common sense and expertise at the same time. They've got a show to run and a tribal position to defend...they had no choice but to make themselves bigger than they are. It's what happens when you're underprepared but overcommitted. You can smell that they're full of crap.
This "debate" was just a hit-piece where you get the subject to listen in, in real-time. Un-fucking believable. Bad faith doesn't even begin to describe it.
Jamie Reed is from The Free Press article (whistleblower on a gender clinic). She has NOT been discredited. Jesse has a VERY detailed response to those trying to discredit her and shows how the woman trying to discredit her has a specific agenda. (I think he actually may have done 2 articles on it)
@@souljaboyisbad 🤣🤣 Sam Seder has never and could never annihilate anyone. And you say he "plays a fool" when he can't win, so that must be why he ALWAYS "plays a fool" then. Sam is a moron and you know it, stop simping for that cum guzzling nutjob.
@@souljaboyisbadthen provide an example where sam does a good job? Otherwise its ppl realizing sam is a bad faith actor and want nothing to do with him cause he's bad faith not cause he argues well. Sam guzzles buckets of trans
In some ways, I think the only real way to have the detailed discussions needed to get to the bottom of these sorts of things are the sorts of multi-hour streams that you guys are willing to have. A 20 minute phone call, even if it were in better faith, wouldn't be enough.
Yes Gender Dysphoria persists and is different to the perfectly usual feeling teens have of discomfort they attribute to their gender. That's why desistance rates are so high (anything from like 65% to 95%)! Currently those feelings of discomfort that most teens have, and ALWAYS have had, are being wrongly attributed to Gender Dysphoria and thus some are transitioning and then de-transitioning! That's one of the reasons Self-ID is an incredibly bad idea! Add in a Social Contagion element and this was a horrific disaster waiting to happen! We are only at the start of the unraveling just how horrific this is!
I think self-Id is a good idea for children before puberty, and under supervision. And it should be a prerequisite of anything further happening. For kids who think they might be trans they get to try it out with nothing medical being done. No transitioning actually takes place,. This would solve a lot of cases, as many who think they might be trans but aren't sure....those feelings are likely to go one way or the other without anything actually being done I feel like the self-id thing made sense in this context but outside of this particular context its not a good idea
@@jascu4251There is a great deal of decision-influencing inertia. Self ID leads to social transition, which leads to the social pressure to conform and continue, which can influence someone to medically transition via blockers/hormones. The people who regret medical treatments are the ones who suffer and lose the most, and we want to avoid that as much as possible. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that 65-95% desistence rate is mostly out of youths who did not socially transition, but instead either went through CBT or did not seek further therapy. Self IDing is a dangerous idea, especially without proper evaluation by a psychologist.
The research says once you even start the social transition it sets them on the path to puberty blockers then further. In the current climate where kids are being taught girls can have Penises Self ID will not work as it’s a social trend for the majority and much like many of the adults they egg each other on to stay on the trans path. To be heterosexual in some places is seen as boring and not cool. To be cool is to be queer. I don’t remember Tom boys ever claiming they were boys. We need to take queer theory out of schools and social media and let kids develop as they used to and let them know it’s fine to be gay or whatever but it’s shouldn’t be made such a big thing, but one cannot change one’s sex. Gender dysphoria is a very rare thing, so to have more than 1 in a entire school is not right.
Everyone needs to be aware of Sams "debate tactic" when he knows hes wrong, he stalls, pokes and prods, literally lies (IE I dont recall even making that video) asks the same question over and over again until you are frustrated or say something else that he can latch on to and change the subject onto you. He did this exact same thing hes doing here with Sitch when Sitch flat out had him cornered over misinformation. He kept asking and asking the same question over and over until Sitch said "Youre setting up people to use violet solutions to solve these problems" and then he flipped it around and only talked about how he never said that he would tell anyone to do violence and turned it around into that. This is what he does.
Best part of this is Jamie Reed has not been discredited the NY Tmes as well as NY Post both validated her claims so MSM has vetted and in the case of The NY Times case had to acquiesce to “the right” or more accurately not blindly follow the party narrative.
I hope The next time you have Brianna Wu on and she tries to float the "Sam Sedar is the best show on the left" line you grill her about this absolutely shameful display.
One thing to pay HIGH attention to when discussing this subject it the specific words used! Like the Question "Does Transitioning Work?" because its assumed that what's actually being asked, because it relates to research on the subject, "Does Transitioning work for individuals that have Gender Dysphoria?" That's why it was spot on for Jessie to nail down that IMPORTANT distinction. Because one of the big arguments here is are we Transitioning people that don't have GD because we don't properly diagnose for it first? Because, due to the ever increasing numbers of detransitioners. it appears that we are! Its precisely because of those numbers and the horrific harm being done to those individuals that some countries have put a halt on the current treatment model.
"You have the floor." "Yeah, well I sent you this brief-" "YOU DID NOT SAY THE WORD BRIEF!!!!!!!" *sigh* Nothing shakes my faith on our First Amendment than hearing stuff like this.
I guess I missed why that was as big of a deal as it was... a and s brought up how he interrupted but not why it wasn't valid to bring it up. Adam often interrupts for similar reasons
@dfmrcv862 oh thats pretty surface level then, yeah. Interrupting someone if they are mischaracterizating a thing you said or an event that's being debated is fine imo. Actually, Adam, does it way more flippantly than this with very little criticism.
@10:20 The part I find wild about him saying "I dont care where we agree... you're talking about minutiae" is that it means Sam is willing to call someone a transphobe/toxic/whatever you want over minor fucking details. Like, Sam doesnt care where they agree, but he does care that Jesse was cited as saying gender-affirming care was controversial. What the fuck?
So Sam's assertion is if the truth can be used by anyone for any ill intent, or what some group of people would consider or feel is ill intent, then the truth must not be said? At least they are finally saying the quiet part out loud, I suppose.
14:02 I can believe it. Emma flat out said she doesn't care about the science when it comes to transgender issues. She just wants what she thinks is socially good. That clip should follow everything she ever has to say about anything. She's a political fundamentalist and should be viewed with the same scrutiny as a member of the Westboro Baptist Church. 😒
I think Sam legitimately hasn't read anything that Jessie Singal has written, that's why he refuses to engage with the body of his work and needs to attack the concept of even writing against affirming everything. Don't have to argue against someone's work if you don't even read it, same logic he used on kyle rittenhouse, just come up with lies and then hide behind never using specifics.
Have there been any studies done on what happens if you give a trans person the hormone that corresponds with their sex and not the one they think they are?
There's actually hormones in the male fetus like Müllerian Inhibiting Substance (MIS) which effects brain circuitry and whether the child displays sex typical male behavior. PNAS wrote an article on this in 2009 by studying mice and it showed differences in behavior between the male and female mice.
What I heard was two hosts that were too afraid to let their audience hear what their guest had to say. As someone who has no idea who Jesse is... I still have no idea what his arguments are, because as soon as his argument started getting somewhere, they'd cut him off. He didn't get to express a single thought to completion.
I still cannot discern if he believes what he says or not. Is he completely captured by his audience and in a weird quasi-cult like state? Or is he just a Grifter?
He is captured by his audience, he wants to keep guzzling. Jokes aside he seems to take insane positions that I have only seen on lefty Twitter, he has either been radicalized, or he is willing to appeal to that audience, my guess is that he will become some type of Joy Gray grifter when the election comes.
The issue is that a lot of the symptoms of gender disphoria ( which I beleive is real) could so be from numerous other mental illnesses as well as just a part of puberty. I'd you can't talk about it and question all we are doing is playing with children's lives.
Even just the fear of puberty is potentially enough. A friend of mines daughter adopted gender dysphoria because she didn't want to start her period. Had it not been for a fair amount of therapy, they wouldn't have discovered that tidbit and she might have ended up on puberty blockers under the belief that if she acted a certain way and said certain things she could avoid having her period.
@Segphalt I know a girl who wanted to wear a chest binder because she didn't want her breasts to come in. Her mother thankfully stopped her, and she feels better about her body now, but imagine if she had the wrong type of parent who just doesn't question anything? I feel bad for the unlucky kids. 😔
I don't know if this is controversial now but sometimes children don't know what's best for then. Thats where parents, guardians, and medical professionals have to have a say also.
@@fergalcussen While there is an element of this hard to say that is truly the root. Even homosexuality itself had a number of theoretical root causes that seemed legit early on, didn't pan out in the long haul.
This conversation actually made me viscerally angry, and that basically never happens to me with any video you cover. I think Jesse Singal is probably the person who most earnestly tries to get stuff right in this highly polarized area, and is completely unjustly maligned for it. Like, he has this reputation of some transphobic bigot that's totally out of proportion to what he actually says. This totally unfair treatment of him by The Majority Report just cements my opinion that they should never be taken seriously (if Emma's appearance on Tim Pool wasn't enough). 54:02 Just to clear up why parents are advised to let children socially transition without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria - it might sound insane initially, but I'm pretty sure it's standard practice. The idea behind it is that you let the child socially transition (change their name, clothes, hair, pronouns, etc.) before they're old enough to be diagnosed, then you can let their experience of social transition inform the diagnostic process. If they got on well with the social transition, that's one indication they do have gender dysphoria that'll continue into adulthood, whereas if they didn't like it, they almost certainly don't have it, and no harm was done either way because social transition is actually reversible (a claim which is often falsely made about puberty blockers). A gender dysphoria diagnosis is required for medical interventions like puberty blockers, which are not completely reversible if taken for too long, and have very severe side effects like permanent sterility and inability to orgasm if the person never goes through their originally intended puberty.
Re: "social transitioning" - do kids who adopt identities as goths, punks, etc. as teenagers suddenly grow out of them and decide "it's not for me" on midnight of their eighteenth birthdays?
@@fergalcussen I have a brother who was a long haired skateboarder, and turned on a dime into conservative family army man lol we don't have a lot of doctors diagnosing people as goths, punks, etc, and those are easily reversed at any age as long as the subject stays away from facial tattoos.
@@fergalcussen No, but they'd usually diagnose gender dysphoria and start medical treatment before 18 anyway, because if the child socially transitioned before puberty (as often happens with gender-nonconforming youth where gender dysphoria is suspected) and it turns out they don't have gender dysphoria, they'll almost certainly desist pretty quickly, because I'd assume it's really not comfortable to live as a gender that's not the one you definitely prefer.
@@razzle_dazzle What about the sunk cost fallacy? Kids of that age are notoriously self-conscious. If you spent a year of your life (which is quite a large part of your life at that age) telling your entire peer group this is your new identity that you have to respect, how easy would you find it to then admit it was just some phase you were going through?
@@fergalcussenUnfortunately that cuts both ways. For example if you really do feel that way but your peer group make you an outcast you are also quite likely to take a step back.
I used to defend Sam a lot and still think he has the ability to be intelligent and persuasive when he wants, but I cant defend that. He looked like a petulant child. Idk if Emma is having a bad influence on him or if hes just getting more crotchety as gets older
@@BKDBut I thought he did great on the PBD podcast. I would also recommend watching his debate with Charlie Kirk at Politicon around 2018 or 2019. He's generally much better and more good faith when it comes to economic policy arguments.
@@kg356 ok. I'll concede that every 4-5 years Seder stumbles into intelligence, or at least be able to trick people into thinking so. Although I guess it can't be said 4-5 because nothing has happened since your claim What smart people don't allow their guests to speak?
This was just painful to watch (Destiny reviewed this conversation), Sam is basically admitting loudly and proudly that he's acting in 100% bad faith. While I've watched some MR content in the past, I was never a huge fan of Sam Seder's general behaviour. The show was probably better when Michael Brooks was still with them though, he brought some much needed levity to the show. Now it's just people smelling their own farts and being generally obnoxious.
As a supporter of the Majority Report for a long time, this was sad and counterproductive. Use your big-boy discussion pants to take on Jesse Singal like the adults Sam and Emma are. But they couldn't do that out of fear of "legitimizing" his case so they did ad hominem and unrelated straw man attacks to try to embarrass him. Unfortunately, they embarrassed themselves. Do better, Sam!
Maybe Sam could do that, the problem is he is too busy grandstanding, but the only time that Emma talked about a real study she didn't even know the facts that well.
42:59 I thought Jesse had the floor. Sam immediately cut him off and then he and Emma just rambled. I barely could keep track of the conversation and Sam is just shouting unrelated nonsense. How can anyone watch this and not be frustrated?
23:29 this isn’t about the merits of a philosophical argument but rather the merits of a specific medical treatment pathway for minors. Thought experiments about philosophical matters are just not in the same ballpark as data on whether a treatment works or not. It’s amazing these people on the *left* have ceded to authority - going on faith that medical associations and activist groups are giving them the correct answer because of negative polarization. Not sure how they plan on reconciling what euro countries are doing.
Indeed we logically should be talking with each other about this because currently people ARE being harmed! They HAS to be a way of reducing that WITHOUT it then harming Trans individuals! They treat it like its one or the other! Why are they HAPPY at the harm ACTUALY being done when a way could be found that DOESN'T then also harm Trans individuals! In Sams own example the fundamental issue with Torture is the 'harm' being done to an individual, which is NEVER ok. Well currently people ARE being harmed with the current situation but apparently Sam and Emma ARE ok with that!
The part that confuses the fuck out of me is they only seem to care about the harm done on one end of this. I don't understand why they only seem to care about the harm to people who actually are trans but don't care about the harm to people who aren't but are diagnosed and treated as if they are. I would say both of those people are potentially harmed and I don't want either of them to be harmed. You can't be completely in support of the one while telling the other to shut the duck up and actually come off as a moral person to me. Like even if it was probably true only 5% ever have regret. Why do we care so much about the 5% of the overall populace that believe they are trans but have no care for the 5% of those people that are mistaken and lead down the wrong path?
If you put a million dollars in front of Sam Seder and told him “this is yours if you can explain Jesse Signal’s position,” he’d have to borrow bus fare home. I don’t think he’s read a single one of that man’s articles.
Nah, something tells me he's wise up real quick.
He doesn't even seem to have read the e-mail.
@@robinthrush9672😂 thanks man. Needed a laugh. 😂
Sam self admittedly doesn’t know Jessie’s work yet is arrogant enough to argue against it with confidence. Absolutely classic
He's saying Jesse's work is being used to justify delegitimizing trans-people.
"Look, because we have limited time, can we focus on stuff I've written?"
"No."
And Sam Seder proves how much of a garbage person he is once again.
How sad is it that a guy with an entire team backing him up can't win a debate?
But don't forget. People don't debate him because they're scared of his big brain.
Doesn't matter. His fans pretend he wins every single one.
Emma facilitated this. You can say what you want about Sam but he has never shied away from going on other platforms even when he’s outnumbered.
@@shanehart7391won't go on B&R though, will he?
@@greenesthue1545 If you'd ever watch him, you'd know that he says all the time that he's not particularly brilliant or even a very good debater. He just blows people up who've never met anyone with an opposing point of view and can't handle it when someone pierces their bubble. Some day I hope you have your bubble burst. UA-camrs pretending like their opinion will somehow determine how transgenderism is going to be treated instead of psychiatrists are just delusional. It's just a bunch people having opinions for entertainment purposes. I like Sam because his message is, stop attacking transgender people, it's literally killing them. Whatever you think the "facts" are, you don't know. Stop pretending like you do. Smarter people than you will figure it out. Medicine isn't done by youtubers or youtube commenters. Tell me about the treatments for schizophrenia that have failed over the years. You don't know any, do you? Because they're not a group that a political party has decided to attack. Every single person accusing Sam of bath faith, are themselves acting in bad faith. Because he actually cares about these things (he could have stayed in TV and movies and made a lot more money), whereas people like Adam and Sitch care about growing an audience to make money online because they don't have any actual skills.
I thought Lance had the Dumbest Person on the Internet award on lockdown, but Emma has emerged as a serious contender.
Shes a walking virtue signal
The last person Jesse should talk to is an activist. They are clearly agenda-driven and have no desire to actually discuss the intricacies of the treatment surrounding gender dysphoria.
Anyone still want to argue Sam Seder isn't bad faith, anyone?
Brianna Wu
I honestly don’t understand what’s so controversial about saying, “we are still learning about this”. Emma and Sam just accept all this garbage without question, and get so upset that people want more data
It’s SETTLED.
It’s ESTABLISHED.
Don’t ask questions.
Tim Pool is right to not do anything with Sam Seder. Anyone reputable eventually learns not to.
What's more egregious is that Steven Crowder was 100% justified not wasting time debating him or speaking to him. Sam Seder makes Crowder look good
@@MrRivechmost lefties make the right look good...the worst person on the right is better than the avg lefty
@MrRivech Hindsight vindicated crowder in this one very specific instanceq. Granted that doesn't cancel out his other scandals
@@MrRivech nah. Crowder obviously ran because he was scared. You know how Sam and Emma were flailing like flustered chimps here? That's exactly how Crowder reacted when he was ambushed by Sam.
I would almost go on to say that anyone who has any positive relationship with Sam Seder or Emma Vigeland should be seen as someone inherently disreputable, because there's no way an honest person can believe either one is an honest actor.
I like how the majority report always goes
"I don't know anything about this"
Person: Oh so you don't know anything
"No I know everything about this."
They've done this so many times it is disgusting. Talk about bad faith
Jesse is too good faith. This never going to work bc they are just the complete opposite of jesse in every way.
I think at the end of the day you have to try to be good faith of you're going to bother to engage at all.
Isn't Emma the one who wanted to disband women's sports? 💀
She said that if that was the outcome of her version of trans rights, so be it.
She's "all in 💯." Even uses "people with the capacity to get pregnant" every chance she can.
Sam & Emma really had to turn up the performance artistry here bcuz they were up against common sense and expertise at the same time. They've got a show to run and a tribal position to defend...they had no choice but to make themselves bigger than they are. It's what happens when you're underprepared but overcommitted. You can smell that they're full of crap.
This "debate" was just a hit-piece where you get the subject to listen in, in real-time.
Un-fucking believable. Bad faith doesn't even begin to describe it.
Jamie Reed is from The Free Press article (whistleblower on a gender clinic). She has NOT been discredited. Jesse has a VERY detailed response to those trying to discredit her and shows how the woman trying to discredit her has a specific agenda. (I think he actually may have done 2 articles on it)
Emma and Sam are so bad faith. Tim pool was 100% correct about why no one will talk to them.
Eh it's both. I'm sure crowder and pool would get annihilated by Sam seder. But when seder can't kick ass he's disingenuous
Maybe he is a genius actor and plays the worlds best fool. Even someone as simple as Poole would destroy Seder. Seder is a logical fallacy savant.
@@tomwaitsmencse he plays a fool when he can't win.
@@souljaboyisbad 🤣🤣 Sam Seder has never and could never annihilate anyone. And you say he "plays a fool" when he can't win, so that must be why he ALWAYS "plays a fool" then. Sam is a moron and you know it, stop simping for that cum guzzling nutjob.
@@souljaboyisbadthen provide an example where sam does a good job? Otherwise its ppl realizing sam is a bad faith actor and want nothing to do with him cause he's bad faith not cause he argues well. Sam guzzles buckets of trans
Something tells me Sam Seders inability to listen has something to do with his divorces 🤣🤣
In some ways, I think the only real way to have the detailed discussions needed to get to the bottom of these sorts of things are the sorts of multi-hour streams that you guys are willing to have. A 20 minute phone call, even if it were in better faith, wouldn't be enough.
Sam - Mislabels Jesse and talks the whole time practically
Jesse: That's not true.
Sam: "HOW DARE YOU MISREPRESENT ME THE WHOLE TIME!"
Yes Gender Dysphoria persists and is different to the perfectly usual feeling teens have of discomfort they attribute to their gender. That's why desistance rates are so high (anything from like 65% to 95%)! Currently those feelings of discomfort that most teens have, and ALWAYS have had, are being wrongly attributed to Gender Dysphoria and thus some are transitioning and then de-transitioning! That's one of the reasons Self-ID is an incredibly bad idea! Add in a Social Contagion element and this was a horrific disaster waiting to happen! We are only at the start of the unraveling just how horrific this is!
I think self-Id is a good idea for children before puberty, and under supervision. And it should be a prerequisite of anything further happening. For kids who think they might be trans they get to try it out with nothing medical being done. No transitioning actually takes place,. This would solve a lot of cases, as many who think they might be trans but aren't sure....those feelings are likely to go one way or the other without anything actually being done
I feel like the self-id thing made sense in this context but outside of this particular context its not a good idea
@@jascu4251There is a great deal of decision-influencing inertia. Self ID leads to social transition, which leads to the social pressure to conform and continue, which can influence someone to medically transition via blockers/hormones. The people who regret medical treatments are the ones who suffer and lose the most, and we want to avoid that as much as possible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that 65-95% desistence rate is mostly out of youths who did not socially transition, but instead either went through CBT or did not seek further therapy.
Self IDing is a dangerous idea, especially without proper evaluation by a psychologist.
The research says once you even start the social transition it sets them on the path to puberty blockers then further. In the current climate where kids are being taught girls can have Penises Self ID will not work as it’s a social trend for the majority and much like many of the adults they egg each other on to stay on the trans path. To be heterosexual in some places is seen as boring and not cool. To be cool is to be queer. I don’t remember Tom boys ever claiming they were boys. We need to take queer theory out of schools and social media and let kids develop as they used to and let them know it’s fine to be gay or whatever but it’s shouldn’t be made such a big thing, but one cannot change one’s sex. Gender dysphoria is a very rare thing, so to have more than 1 in a entire school is not right.
Kinda weird that Sam compares gender transition to torture
Actually a good comparison but not in the way he meant it
The slander of Jamie Reed is so bad faith.
48:00
15 seconds! From Sam saying that he will give him 30 seconds to explain himself, 15 seconds is the amount of time before Emma jumps in.
😂😂😂
Sam said he would give him 30 seconds. He didn't say anything about Emma.
@@iamjurell Does she ever listen in general? xD
Everyone needs to be aware of Sams "debate tactic" when he knows hes wrong, he stalls, pokes and prods, literally lies (IE I dont recall even making that video) asks the same question over and over again until you are frustrated or say something else that he can latch on to and change the subject onto you. He did this exact same thing hes doing here with Sitch when Sitch flat out had him cornered over misinformation. He kept asking and asking the same question over and over until Sitch said "Youre setting up people to use violet solutions to solve these problems" and then he flipped it around and only talked about how he never said that he would tell anyone to do violence and turned it around into that. This is what he does.
Dude just grandstands and outwokes everyone
Sam Seder: ok you have the floor
Literally 4 seconds later
Sam Seder: No you did not use the word brief!
"I Hit control f, and typed brief, THERES NO BRIEF IN THERE!? YOU LIAR!"
My favorite part was when Sam said: "Emma. Get. The. Bucket. The HEAVY bucket."
This is my 3rd time listening to this because your coverage is so good, but I CANNOT STAND THESE PEOPLE. Holy SHIT.
Best part of this is Jamie Reed has not been discredited the NY Tmes as well as NY Post both validated her claims so MSM has vetted and in the case of The NY Times case had to acquiesce to “the right” or more accurately not blindly follow the party narrative.
Wow. This is pretty insane. Bad faith levels that I wasn’t even sure Sam Seder could reach
"You are responsible for people who lie about and twist your position" is pretty much the bottom of the pit of bad faithery
@@SentientTeapot2444and then allow as least retorts as possible. Insanity
@@SentientTeapot2444Forced compliance.
I hope The next time you have Brianna Wu on and she tries to float the "Sam Sedar is the best show on the left" line you grill her about this absolutely shameful display.
This says so much about the people who watches their show.
One thing to pay HIGH attention to when discussing this subject it the specific words used! Like the Question "Does Transitioning Work?" because its assumed that what's actually being asked, because it relates to research on the subject, "Does Transitioning work for individuals that have Gender Dysphoria?" That's why it was spot on for Jessie to nail down that IMPORTANT distinction. Because one of the big arguments here is are we Transitioning people that don't have GD because we don't properly diagnose for it first? Because, due to the ever increasing numbers of detransitioners. it appears that we are! Its precisely because of those numbers and the horrific harm being done to those individuals that some countries have put a halt on the current treatment model.
"You have the floor."
"Yeah, well I sent you this brief-"
"YOU DID NOT SAY THE WORD BRIEF!!!!!!!"
*sigh*
Nothing shakes my faith on our First Amendment than hearing stuff like this.
I guess I missed why that was as big of a deal as it was... a and s brought up how he interrupted but not why it wasn't valid to bring it up. Adam often interrupts for similar reasons
Sam has no setting between blathering and shouting lol
@@warpath8453 Because he's saying "you have the floor" and then preventing him from having the floor?
@dfmrcv862 oh thats pretty surface level then, yeah. Interrupting someone if they are mischaracterizating a thing you said or an event that's being debated is fine imo. Actually, Adam, does it way more flippantly than this with very little criticism.
@@warpath8453 isn't that because he's often trolling when he does?
@10:20 The part I find wild about him saying "I dont care where we agree... you're talking about minutiae" is that it means Sam is willing to call someone a transphobe/toxic/whatever you want over minor fucking details. Like, Sam doesnt care where they agree, but he does care that Jesse was cited as saying gender-affirming care was controversial. What the fuck?
Classic Sam. Opinionated about something while simultaneously not aware about it somehow.
Their “big guest” is Sam’s 10 year old son.
“Sam, in the hypothetical you laid out, You are the one defending torture.” Is what he should have said. Easy layup.
So Sam's assertion is if the truth can be used by anyone for any ill intent, or what some group of people would consider or feel is ill intent, then the truth must not be said? At least they are finally saying the quiet part out loud, I suppose.
The real question is who is worse, Emma Cringeland or Sam Sneeder?
You have to give Michael Brooks credit for being able to argue for the same things as them without making it sound like nails on chalkboard.
Sam, he is older but acts like a child. Emma is just some ultra privilged dipshit that doesn't know the world outside of her gated community.
it's insane that sam sedar is somehow worse than his bob's burgers character
14:02 I can believe it. Emma flat out said she doesn't care about the science when it comes to transgender issues. She just wants what she thinks is socially good. That clip should follow everything she ever has to say about anything. She's a political fundamentalist and should be viewed with the same scrutiny as a member of the Westboro Baptist Church. 😒
Yeah. She is insufferable. She knows absolutely nothing yet has the arrogance and confidence to spout off on camera, lol.
I think Sam legitimately hasn't read anything that Jessie Singal has written, that's why he refuses to engage with the body of his work and needs to attack the concept of even writing against affirming everything. Don't have to argue against someone's work if you don't even read it, same logic he used on kyle rittenhouse, just come up with lies and then hide behind never using specifics.
Sam is just a troll. I don’t get why people keep taking the bait
That feeling when you miss an entire sitch and adam stream =(
And this makes Brianna Wu defending that shit show even more silly...
Have there been any studies done on what happens if you give a trans person the hormone that corresponds with their sex and not the one they think they are?
There's actually hormones in the male fetus like Müllerian Inhibiting Substance (MIS) which effects brain circuitry and whether the child displays sex typical male behavior. PNAS wrote an article on this in 2009 by studying mice and it showed differences in behavior between the male and female mice.
i love how ass-mad TMR are getting about this
What I heard was two hosts that were too afraid to let their audience hear what their guest had to say.
As someone who has no idea who Jesse is... I still have no idea what his arguments are, because as soon as his argument started getting somewhere, they'd cut him off. He didn't get to express a single thought to completion.
I still cannot discern if he believes what he says or not. Is he completely captured by his audience and in a weird quasi-cult like state? Or is he just a Grifter?
I get the impression that he is the Guru of a cult, and Emma is one of the chosen.
Works the other way too though.
Either way, it's a cult.
He is captured by his audience, he wants to keep guzzling. Jokes aside he seems to take insane positions that I have only seen on lefty Twitter, he has either been radicalized, or he is willing to appeal to that audience, my guess is that he will become some type of Joy Gray grifter when the election comes.
The issue is that a lot of the symptoms of gender disphoria ( which I beleive is real) could so be from numerous other mental illnesses as well as just a part of puberty. I'd you can't talk about it and question all we are doing is playing with children's lives.
Even just the fear of puberty is potentially enough. A friend of mines daughter adopted gender dysphoria because she didn't want to start her period. Had it not been for a fair amount of therapy, they wouldn't have discovered that tidbit and she might have ended up on puberty blockers under the belief that if she acted a certain way and said certain things she could avoid having her period.
@Segphalt I know a girl who wanted to wear a chest binder because she didn't want her breasts to come in. Her mother thankfully stopped her, and she feels better about her body now, but imagine if she had the wrong type of parent who just doesn't question anything? I feel bad for the unlucky kids. 😔
I don't know if this is controversial now but sometimes children don't know what's best for then. Thats where parents, guardians, and medical professionals have to have a say also.
It is a real thing: the root cause of it is usually homosexuality.
@@fergalcussen While there is an element of this hard to say that is truly the root. Even homosexuality itself had a number of theoretical root causes that seemed legit early on, didn't pan out in the long haul.
As bad faith as Sam is, it seems to get amplified by Emma and the disembodied voice.
Adam, when Sam talks over people, that’s what you look like when you’re on tilt. Remember that. 😉
When is the AJW/Sedar debate review?
Christ, that interview took years off my life
Wait... did you guys expect anything but gaslighting and bad faith from the internet hacks? Serious question now...
I'm pretty sure that everybody expected something like this, but they somehow still managed to "surpass" our expectations 🤣
Glad you changed your mind on whether there should be topics that shouldn't be discussed, Adam!
The Majority Report is so genuinely awful that it makes me miss listening to BreadTubers
Sam Seder is a small dog barking from behind the safety of a screen door. Emma Vigeland presents herself as a lake, but is as deep as a puddle.
Where is this video on their channel? I can't find it anywhere. It's also not in the description here.
I’m so confused that he didn’t use the word brief in an email. He is now claiming bad communication or deception. You should get Jessie on.
This conversation actually made me viscerally angry, and that basically never happens to me with any video you cover. I think Jesse Singal is probably the person who most earnestly tries to get stuff right in this highly polarized area, and is completely unjustly maligned for it. Like, he has this reputation of some transphobic bigot that's totally out of proportion to what he actually says. This totally unfair treatment of him by The Majority Report just cements my opinion that they should never be taken seriously (if Emma's appearance on Tim Pool wasn't enough).
54:02 Just to clear up why parents are advised to let children socially transition without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria - it might sound insane initially, but I'm pretty sure it's standard practice. The idea behind it is that you let the child socially transition (change their name, clothes, hair, pronouns, etc.) before they're old enough to be diagnosed, then you can let their experience of social transition inform the diagnostic process. If they got on well with the social transition, that's one indication they do have gender dysphoria that'll continue into adulthood, whereas if they didn't like it, they almost certainly don't have it, and no harm was done either way because social transition is actually reversible (a claim which is often falsely made about puberty blockers).
A gender dysphoria diagnosis is required for medical interventions like puberty blockers, which are not completely reversible if taken for too long, and have very severe side effects like permanent sterility and inability to orgasm if the person never goes through their originally intended puberty.
Re: "social transitioning" - do kids who adopt identities as goths, punks, etc. as teenagers suddenly grow out of them and decide "it's not for me" on midnight of their eighteenth birthdays?
@@fergalcussen I have a brother who was a long haired skateboarder, and turned on a dime into conservative family army man lol
we don't have a lot of doctors diagnosing people as goths, punks, etc, and those are easily reversed at any age as long as the subject stays away from facial tattoos.
@@fergalcussen No, but they'd usually diagnose gender dysphoria and start medical treatment before 18 anyway, because if the child socially transitioned before puberty (as often happens with gender-nonconforming youth where gender dysphoria is suspected) and it turns out they don't have gender dysphoria, they'll almost certainly desist pretty quickly, because I'd assume it's really not comfortable to live as a gender that's not the one you definitely prefer.
@@razzle_dazzle What about the sunk cost fallacy? Kids of that age are notoriously self-conscious. If you spent a year of your life (which is quite a large part of your life at that age) telling your entire peer group this is your new identity that you have to respect, how easy would you find it to then admit it was just some phase you were going through?
@@fergalcussenUnfortunately that cuts both ways. For example if you really do feel that way but your peer group make you an outcast you are also quite likely to take a step back.
When reviewing some video of somebody else, you should link to it.
I used to defend Sam a lot and still think he has the ability to be intelligent and persuasive when he wants, but I cant defend that. He looked like a petulant child. Idk if Emma is having a bad influence on him or if hes just getting more crotchety as gets older
He's just the same. MR has been a cesspool of dishonesty and smear since forever.
Emma is definitely a bad influence. I pretty much stopped watching within a month of her joining the show.
I've never seen Sam be intelligent or persuasive in the slightest
@@BKDBut I thought he did great on the PBD podcast. I would also recommend watching his debate with Charlie Kirk at Politicon around 2018 or 2019. He's generally much better and more good faith when it comes to economic policy arguments.
@@kg356 ok. I'll concede that every 4-5 years Seder stumbles into intelligence, or at least be able to trick people into thinking so. Although I guess it can't be said 4-5 because nothing has happened since your claim
What smart people don't allow their guests to speak?
He needs his buckets otherwise he gets cranky
Goodness gracious, what an example.
*Sam seder, known to be the king of bad faith*: makes a video
*S and A reviewing Sam's video*: Wow these guys are bad faith
*everyone*: ...yeah...duh?
Sam Seder owning Emma's voice is just great
Sam Seder is the one defending torture in his analogy.
I'm a fan of the shorter streams. Actually brought me in as a sub to your channel. Really enjoying your work.
Is the comic out?
Not yet, still finishing up. Getting close thought.
I’m so disgusted…….
Rip Emma's and Sam's last 2 brain cells.
This was just painful to watch (Destiny reviewed this conversation), Sam is basically admitting loudly and proudly that he's acting in 100% bad faith. While I've watched some MR content in the past, I was never a huge fan of Sam Seder's general behaviour. The show was probably better when Michael Brooks was still with them though, he brought some much needed levity to the show. Now it's just people smelling their own farts and being generally obnoxious.
As a supporter of the Majority Report for a long time, this was sad and counterproductive. Use your big-boy discussion pants to take on Jesse Singal like the adults Sam and Emma are. But they couldn't do that out of fear of "legitimizing" his case so they did ad hominem and unrelated straw man attacks to try to embarrass him. Unfortunately, they embarrassed themselves. Do better, Sam!
I don't think he can. Sam and Emma seem like very stupid, hateful people.
Maybe Sam could do that, the problem is he is too busy grandstanding, but the only time that Emma talked about a real study she didn't even know the facts that well.
Lol, why would you expect anything different. They do this shit all the time. Sam Seder is just doing Bill O'Reilly's schtick.
42:59 I thought Jesse had the floor. Sam immediately cut him off and then he and Emma just rambled. I barely could keep track of the conversation and Sam is just shouting unrelated nonsense. How can anyone watch this and not be frustrated?
Emma and Sam are so disingenuous. It’s all about just browbeating people, there is no interest in actually discussing any topic.
Love this format. A-team might be Gay team, but S-team IS THE Less team AYYYYYY
Sam Harris article on torture is acrually very very good
Classic Sam Seder
I uses to like Sam but if he deems you are below him he does not listen to you at all.
Is Sam still coming back on for a second chat, or is that bridge burnt?
I missed the surprise Wednesday stream!!! SMH I really goofed the floof.
Emma gives me the creeps..
Seder and his crew are beneath critique.
1:20:08 they talk to Sam’s son who is a child. That’s the big guest
Ah the Appeal to Authority Report
23:29 this isn’t about the merits of a philosophical argument but rather the merits of a specific medical treatment pathway for minors. Thought experiments about philosophical matters are just not in the same ballpark as data on whether a treatment works or not. It’s amazing these people on the *left* have ceded to authority - going on faith that medical associations and activist groups are giving them the correct answer because of negative polarization. Not sure how they plan on reconciling what euro countries are doing.
Indeed we logically should be talking with each other about this because currently people ARE being harmed! They HAS to be a way of reducing that WITHOUT it then harming Trans individuals! They treat it like its one or the other! Why are they HAPPY at the harm ACTUALY being done when a way could be found that DOESN'T then also harm Trans individuals! In Sams own example the fundamental issue with Torture is the 'harm' being done to an individual, which is NEVER ok. Well currently people ARE being harmed with the current situation but apparently Sam and Emma ARE ok with that!
The part that confuses the fuck out of me is they only seem to care about the harm done on one end of this.
I don't understand why they only seem to care about the harm to people who actually are trans but don't care about the harm to people who aren't but are diagnosed and treated as if they are.
I would say both of those people are potentially harmed and I don't want either of them to be harmed. You can't be completely in support of the one while telling the other to shut the duck up and actually come off as a moral person to me.
Like even if it was probably true only 5% ever have regret. Why do we care so much about the 5% of the overall populace that believe they are trans but have no care for the 5% of those people that are mistaken and lead down the wrong path?
This is a total aside but I can't stand Sam Seder's voice. So damn shrill. It goes a long way to give me a headache.
Lol man extends an olive branch, and Sam spits in his face. What a punk. This is why everyone hates Sam
So, uhhh, they admitted defeat or what?
No, they knocked over all the figures on the chess board and declared victory.
Holy crap! The Majority Report is awful.
Where is Brianna to simp Sam to hell and back again?
"We're going to be arbiters of the truth with this topic but don't know enough about it to debate you on your home turf." Lmao
Majority Report is a total train wreck. Good Faith is no part of that show what so ever...
MR has really downgraded since Michael Brookes passed away.
2hrs!? I'll have to watch this 5 times to get my proper dosage!
I can't get over how Sam Seder sounds like a pitched down SpongeBob
Listening to Sam Seder is the worst torture I can think of.
I enjoy commentary over Sam’s ‘debates’ because it’s like watching commentary of DSP fail videos back when I used to watch those.