When does DEI go too far?
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When DEI goes too far aka the electoral college.
You mean gerrymandering is justified so the House should be filled with white men instead of represent the constituents? Because that's what the system used to be.
How so?
I don't see the EC as DEI. It was formed as a sop to the Slave States.
Today, the one vote from a person in California counts far less than the one vote from a person in Wyoming, because of the EC.
@@InappropriateFab it gives rural white Americans greater influence over politics, where as a vote based on general consensus would equalize the vote amongst all demographics.
So, it's a form of Affirmative Action.
@@andrewgreen5574 so you only want the people in metropolitan areas to have a say. We'll go by the voters in New York, LA, Chicago, Atlanta and Philly, the heck with everyone else.
I like how DEI went from "not a thing" a couple of years ago that only "conspiracy theorists" talked about to "has it gone too far"
I think it's crazy how conspiracy theorist are now people who don't agree with the designated.....like covid came from a lab🤷🏼♀️
That's the power and influence of conservative media
@@ktbn22 "Covid came from a lab" makes as much sense as "Hurricane research caused a hurricane"
@@salvatronprime9882 so you still don't think with all the evidence including the FBI saying it yes it came from the lab?
@@salvatronprime9882 Do you trust the FBI ot the WHO? Bc they say the virus came from the lab. Do you think it developed on its own?
Equality of opportunity is the goal, equality of outcome invariably becomes racist.
I've noticed that this sentiment sounds great but doesn't hold much water. There's a reason why bad faith actors like Jordan Peterson quote it constantly and don't actually care about equality of opportunity when pressed.
It's more nuanced than that. It's easy to have "equality of opportunity" on paper while still having a system designed to keep POC "in their place". Outcomes are a way to see if equality of opportunity is in fact working.
@@mrvwbug4423You guys are social artist, round about way of saying nothing. Trillions of dollar spent on Great Society, and other than true discrimination, you guys managed to wreck an entire racial group. You can never have equality of outcome because for example, Asian father stick around, father sticking around being the prime predictor of success. Only an artist who deal with abstraction could possibly think they could make equality of outcome work.
@mrvwbug4423 in equality of outcome people can be artificially moved ahead not because of ability but because of color or some other minority status. A minority is going to be a minority in all things. If you're in a group that's 13% of the population your group isn't going to be represented in 50% of everything.
That's is called equity
An example of someone hired but unqualified most of the GOP house and Senate, Laura tRump etc
they're elected.
So you agree DEI is bad then!! Lolol
Funny how hiring because of race is bad unless it's minorities being hired? Shouldn't we be hiring whether or not someone can do the job?
VP Kamala Harris - DEI example
VP Dan Quayle...white male privilege
@@hdlc4635you're the kind of person to say everything is racist and then get upset when over 60% of the population leaves all because you don't like white people.
Is this an insult lol. I can't tell 😂
@@multimidnight13 yes because we're hiring people that can't do the job
@capitalistcamwithaham Are you talking about the people who hired Dan Quayle? 🤣
Last year, in Ontario, a school district organized a Book Burning event following the pressure of a self-proclaimed First Nation representative (turned out that woman was a fraud, but that's another story)... That was Wokeness gone too far.... like... wayyyyy too far and nobody raised a hand to say: "Hey. I understand the need for reparations, but maybe we shouldn't be burning books like a certain group of people from Europe in the 1930's/1940's."
Canada faces as severe a threat from the progressives as the US faces from the MAGAtards.
Honestly, i call that "FAKE WOKE".
"Where they burn books, there they will eventually burn people"
Justice Jackson is one of the most experienced justices on the court in terms of having served in a variety of roles as a judge and types of law.
Then why couldn't she define what a woman is? How is she able to speak on woman rights if she doesn't know what one is? I mean we know she knows she is a woman lol but that would also mean bc she is not a biologist (per her words) she doesn't actually know she is a woman? But yes the most qualified🙄 suuuure. Honestly, she knows but she was to worried to offend someone.....and to me....a judge should not be a political activist and worry about offending someone.
Ps. I am pro abortion sooooo please don't take my comment as such. Thank you
@@ktbn22It’s more likely she wasn’t going to give a definition since certain media outlets would undoubtedly spin whatever answer she’d give to try and discredit her. Sometimes you have to know when not to answer questions.
@@Swampert384 That sounds like a media problem. If she was honest and not trying to be an activist she'd have said what we all know. And as a SCOTUS she shouldn't be concerned with how she will be portrayed in the media. The truth is the truth no matter what. How will she be able to rule on woman's right if she doesn't know what that it is? She could have said I don't want to answer the question instead she said I don't know bc im not biologist.
I'm not a biologist. I am a woman and I can tell you what makes me that.
@@ktbn22 Liberals have gone full circle. Biological males are stealing athletic scholarships from biological women. Where are the feminists?
@@Swampert384just think about what you just said. How could people mess with her by explaining what a woman is? Loony libs yet again
The problem is that most DEI opponents don’t offer other solutions. They don’t talk about perhaps providing greater funding to underfunded school systems, which are disproportionately communities of color. They don’t talk about greater outreach to minority groups. All they talk about is just ending DEI.
It’s not the means through which DEI operates (a strawman argument on their part BTW), it’s the end goals.
Of course they don't. They don't want solutions, they want the status quo. Actually, scratch that -- the current status quo is too progressive for them, they want to "make America great again," after all. When you talk about "underfunded school systems, which are disproportionately communities of color," they think that's a good thing. They love it.
It's like the people who respond to school shootings, saying guns aren't the real problem, it's mental health. Do they want to do anything about mental health? No.
That was the problem for me with the arguments against positive discrimination - I'm happy to listen to the criticisms that it doesn't work as intended, but when SCOTUS struck it down, there was nothing put in place to address the underlying issues
Against it with no alternative. Just like the Affordable Care Act.
Dude, schools aren't underfunded. The government dumps tons of money into schools. The schools just piss the money away.
It's just another talking point from the right, it's bad faith.
The left generally discusses how it's a corporate mechanism and empty promises to appear inclusive to workers and consumers.
There isn't any evidence that it's "gone too far", as you've said it hasn't helped the communities it was supposed to be applied to.
I agree David, there is an argument to be said for DEI initiatives. I do think that when these ideas reach the public sphere, they get massively distorted into something that is no longer rational.
I have all 3 books and read them to the grandkids when they have a sleep over. They all love them and Think like a Detective is their favorite.
The D and the I are great.
The E makes people ignore the other two.
The only people who have a problem with E are the ones who already have e everything and don’t want anyone else to have it. White people believe only they are entitles to rights and freedoms.
Diversity of thoughts and ideas or diversity of skin hue? Inclusion of thoughts and ideas or forced acceptance of left wing ideology?
@@dwightschrute47"Forced acceptance..." 😅😅😅😅
@@dwightschrute47 You aren't being forced into anything, ❄️.
You aren't a victim, you're just a pouty a$$
@@InappropriateFab it's the only way anyone older than 12 accepts leftist policy.
Great caller
For about three years this was my favourite show out there. I cannot watch it anymore. The topics went low, the titles, the graphics, the angles, everything. Such a shame a brilliant guy like Pakman chooses to target the lowest instincts of the viewer.
I have never really aagreed with him but liked how he used to he. He used to be so much more balanced on pointing out the craziness on the left and right. And now he is okay with saying "I don't talk about Biden negatively bc I am trying to get people to not vote Trump". To me that's where he lost his credibility.
Claudine Gay... a clear and obvious case of someone unqualified.
good of you to acknowledge that all political movements have their extremists, including DEI. common sense should prevail over all things.
I sincerely apologize for being part of the conversation that brought this comment section into the gutter. It just triggers me when people act like there's only one PoC group that matters and the rest be damned.
Let’s talk about income inclusion
i'll start. Get a job, get income. you're included!
When it's like the Holy Roman Empire. When it's not diverse, equal, nor inclusive.
Great call!
A lot of folks will cite Justice Brown-Jackson as an example of a so-called DEI hire. But this ignores the fact that the prior administration had its own criteria that resulted in the exclusion of the "most qualified" candidates. Specifically, ideological tests, which exclude even highly candidates whose ideologies don't "measure up". Additionally, they also went for the youngest candidates possible (to maximize time in position and thereby impact) which excludes older candidates who would have more experience.
KBJ is an extremely qualified individual who just happens to be a black woman. End of story.
A huge number of the Trump judges were severely underqualified to the point where the ABA was saying they were not competent for the position. They were selected for ideological extremism and young age, generally over vastly more qualified but still conservative judges. Prime example #1 is Alileen Cannon, the ABA said she was not fit to be a federal judge before she was confirmed.
Politics is theater. Jackson was hired to cause controversy. She's more than likely a Freemason or member of the Eastern Star. All politicians are part of the same club.
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way" - FDR
Apparently the disqualifying moment for conservatives was her being unable to define a woman.
All they had was transphobia, and it didn't even belong in the interview.
Look at her credentials. Only bigots could cite KBJ as a DEI hire. Just calling "a spade a spade"
I work at a hospital and see people hire based on bias and table it as fit. I’ve heard they remind me of a family member or we can get along with this person. They get hired over another even though one person is more qualified. At the same time I have seen highly skilled people with very poor bedside manner and ethical disregard that are picked up on interview who are not hired.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make . Should the highly skilled but unethical with bad bedside manners be hired ?
This is why qualification is such a touchy subject. The right wing generally wants only paper qualifications considered because that would heavily favor their perferred demographics. Any decent hiring manager knows that how well a candidate will fit on a team or within the company culture is nearly as important as paper qualification, especially when all of your prospective candidates meet the basic qualifications for the position.
You can perceive that...but if you aren't the one actually hiring you do not know shit.
I would assume the ones hiring know what they are doing...unless it's hiring a family member which can be unethical and hire someone unqualified.
You already seem to have a bias if a poc is hired they must not be qualified. I think that's the general problem.
It's simple. Employers should be able to hire whomever they want. If that means Asians are overrepresented in certain fields, so be it. We don't call for DEI in the NBA. Just because two people hold the same college degree or job title does not mean there will be equal outcomes.
First off, to David's point. When hiring, you don't simply "hire the most qualified person" First you decide the qualifications needed, then you interview only people with these qualifications then you hire the person best fit for the job. Simple example: You might have someone with more experience than the others, but if they have a 2-hour commute, you might not want to hire them if you're afraid that they may not stick around. Also, the most qualified is not as obvious as people like to think. It's not as easy as say, hiring the most tallest person. "The most qualified" can be and often is, subjective. However, DEI actually can result in the most qualified people getting hired. In the case of KBJ, because Biden wanted to nominate a black woman, she was so scrutinized, so he got nominated someone who is more qualified than anyone else on the USSC (or at least she's more qualified than Trump's three picks). When white people are forced to hire minorities, they end holding them to higher standards than they would white people, so contrary to the common criticism of "why not just hire the most qualified person", DEI has actually proven to do just that..
KBJ is an extremely qualified individual who just happens to be a black woman. End of story.
@@hirampriggott1689 Yes, she's more qualified than rest of them put together, but look how scrutinized she was. So perhaps DEI is the most effective way to hire "the most qualified person."
Hire whomever you want for whatever reason you want. No one should be forced to have racial quotas. United Nations Agenda 21 will use ESG scores to force DEI compliance. ESG is desensitizing us to the incoming social credit score system.
I went to school with Asians, whites, mexians, blacks. Asians had the highest test scores while blacks had the lowest test scores. Why? Same school...same teachers..same books
Shhh you can't say that here! You'll get us all sent to the gulag!
Yes it goes too far and scares off moderates
Yes, because being a "moderate" in America means you're just a tiny bit racist.
What I see as the main criticism of DEI is that it makes people, who still have some little racists thoughts they keep tucked away in the corners of their mind, feel guilty and ashamed and they resent that. They still feel that they should be allowed to keep just a few racist thoughts and not be made to feel guilty about that.
The irony, of course, is that no one can make you feel guilty. That feeling comes from within and if you blame it on others it's because you are in denial.
Little racist thoughts such as, "equality of outcome". When you hear or see that phrase raised as a fear or concern, it is almost always coming from someone who still has a few racist ideas they are clinging to like an old teddy bear and they are scared of letting it go.
"Any poor, browned skin person who achieves more than me must have had unfair help and assistance"
is probably the most common racist thought in America.
@Lethgar_Smith get a life, buddy.
DEI is just nuts at my company. It used to be that we had online training for security, ethic rules, legal compliance, and such. Now they've added an annual DEI training one that takes about 30 min. There is a short quiz at the end and the correct answer to every question is "don't be an asshole to clients or your co-workers." Oh, the horror! How can our business possibly survive that?
My company doesn't even allow me to use the N-word.
You both make very good and reasonable points. From the recent oral arguments at SCOTUS, Justice Jackson is shown to be extremely qualified.
Jackson is arguably the best qualified of all the SCOTUS appointees IIRC as she has worked at just about every level of the system. She was a public defender for example and no other SCOTUS member ever was (at least that is what I remember being discussed when the GOP were trying to undermine her credentials, someone listed all the stuff that she had done compared to Coney Barrett et al)
She couldn't define a woman. How will she be able to represent legal cases for women if she cannot even define it?
Think Like a detective .
Achieving equity, by ... implementing Diversity by Discrimination, and implementing Inclusion by Exclusion.
D E I = Didn't Earn It
@zybch The funny part is you didn't earn it either.
Exclusion of unqualified white people.
DEI is going to create more Conservatives than anything! That and transwomen stealing athletic scholarships from biological women.
You fix inequality at the grade school level, not at freaking medical school level.
Come on. You know full well that the people who are so upset about these programs also protest against addressing inequality at the grade school level too.
Why not both?
im pretty sure it's necessary at all levels. if you worked hard to get into medical school and meet the qualifications to enter? sure why not? It's not like they're grabbing folks off the street.
So what if a DEI minority surgeon ends up killing a patient? These people need to be heard and seen!
@@juniorgod321 You still have to do very well at med school and have a really strong residency to be a surgeon.
In too many cases, DEI becomes an excuse to aim for an equality ‘quota’, when employing people or deciding on college entries.
If there is equal opportunity, in terms of basic education, then the principle of a meritocracy will equalise people in employment or college.
DEI: Didn't Earn It
W comment, this is the only comment here that I can actually agree with.
DEI and Inter-sectionalism both fail due to their inherent contradictions. Both systems seek to end discrimination by asking the user to hire based on discrimination practices. Any hiring practices other than “ability to do the job” based is discrimination.
But you can't really know that someone has the ability until they get the job. Plenty of folks who looked great on paper crash and burn.
@@emsleywyatt3400 that is why an employer interviews potential hires. A good interview process can weed out the exaggerated resumes.
I bring your books into class and talk about listening to your show, but not too much because i don't want to reveal my political views.......uhhhhhh, too late.
"defund the police" never meant remove police altogether, it meant, do not keep supplying them them with ex military equipment, thus making them feel like a force against the people. Stop "qualified immunity" and generally put a stop to their complete lack of accountability and over sight by civilian entities. It essentially means, make them accountable to the people they are supposed to serve and protect.
Politely, you suck at marketing. Defund the police means...defund the police. No one is going to listen to your 100+ word summary afterwards. Slogans are slogans for a reason.
Yeah, they missed the point on purpose.
@@muadhnate This. They seem to enjoy twisting the point to make their own no matter how off topic theirs is.
BLM ONLY CARES ABOUT LESBIAN COMMUNISTS
It’s less to do with intentionally twisting the narrative but more to do with some of the left’s horrendous marketing of its stances to get points across in order to sound trendy. Same with “All men are trash”. If you have to break it down every time you use the slogan, then make a better one or stop using hashtag slogans all together.
If a movement doesn't go too far or even try to go too, it's not really doing much. We do need to push back when they do go too far, but that doesn't mean the movement itself is wrong or needing to be destroyed.
I saw some movie critics say that the ruling on Officer Jatonya Muldrow's case about employment discrimination based on gender will be used in anti-DEI discrimination cases where white animators and actors, among other white people, have lost jobs.
David, what’s the point of a comment section if half of the replies get deleted?? 🤔
Thaaaank you. Even though it's not him lol I have been expecting some personal attacks from my comments lol but come to find out....the majority of mine get deleted or are not viewable. I will get the updates when someone comments on something I did. But I csnt see mine.
@@ktbn22 ironically, it’s always when I’m making a good counter-argument backed by strong empirical data. It seems they don’t want anyone to learn anything, just trade insults. Whoever “they” is.
@@DeeRue9 saaaaaaame. I wonder if it's based on certain words? Or if it's based on other videos you like vs dislike? It's super interesting to see which of mine get deleted vs don't.
@@ktbn22 idk. My comments are never too crazy and almost always based on studies and data. The only words that should be censored are slurs. I’ve noticed certain channels never delete comments. I think the owner of the channel has some kind of control over the parameters.
There should be no illusion, no cheating. "As described in Bhagavad-gītā (4.13), human society must be divided into four orders according to quality and work. In every society there must be an intelligent class, administrative class, productive class and worker class. In modern democracy these scientific divisions are turned topsy-turvy, and by vote śūdras, or workers, are chosen for administrative posts. Having no knowledge of the ultimate goal of life, such persons whimsically enact laws without knowledge of life's purpose. The result is that no one is happy."
Saying you listen to Pakman while saying at the same time that you don’t want to give away your political views doesn’t make sense.
Plenty of folks on the left criticize DEI and while we may have some common ground with DEI critics on the right, we generally wish to reform it and rethink its roots and original purpose, not to shut it down entirely. We need to have an open discussion of the current state of DEI and not cancel anyone who criticizes it or try to cancel DEI itself. There are plenty of reasonable options on between these two extremes though I do think the current direction DEI is taking is quite misguided and dangerous but we can steer the DEI ship in the right direction if we can talk about it critically.
Simply put, yes, DEI has gone too far and is too easily dismissed due to its contradictions.
How do you come by this fabulous knowledge?
DEI was, is and always will be antiwhite and antimale.
When it comes to DEI in my house, I like all life, except for termites, carpenter ants, cockroaches, mice, mildew, faucet sludge, frost in my freezer.......
Pretty amusing when I was a department head. My hires were weighted towards the same religion as the CEO (were referrals) and Asians (I'm Asian, but really a white suburban kid from the East Coast). From an outsiders standpoint, it would look really weird.
In reality, we tried to get the best fit. I'd hire anyone. But, I can see how biases can inadvertently creep in. At one point, 2 out of the 3.5 my direct reports at that time were Asian females.
Edit: I was the only minority out of 20ish department heads though. Don't think it was "intentional" though.
You should be allowed to hire whomever you want for whatever reasons you have for hiring them. If your company is 100% Asian, so be it. We are not entitled to work at your company.
@@derp8575 And, this is the issue. Hiring managers tend to hire people similar to them. And, it creates a bias against certain "types" of people.
Getting in the door is usually the hardest part.
@@HKim0072 I'm okay with that practice. There's a black owned business near me with all black employees.
@@derp8575 Geez, you are one of those people. I get it.
No sense in discussing.
I'm talking about about my past "small" company which was a publicly traded company with more than 1 billion market cap. And, you are talking about some random business down the street. Great. Just great.
@@HKim0072 The size of the company doesn't matter. Hire whomever you want.
The latest iteration of DEI is Neurodiversity which pertains to people with autism, ADHD, dyslexia, and other conditions. How long before “they” start accusing companies of hiring people with “mental problems” that are not qualified. Btw mental probs are totally separate from Neurodiversity, which affects 20-30% of the entire population regardless of political party. But we’ll still find a way to drag that movement into the mud like the others. And what happened to not telling companies how to operate? Of course that’s only if we agree with said company.
Just an example of how DEI includes so many groups that African-Americans, particularly men, are such a negligible portion of DEI yet all the complaints and resentments about DEI are targeted towards Black people. The Mayor of Baltimore is right when he said DEI is the new N-word.
It only goes to far when someone or a group of someones are harmed by it. Period.
White people claim they are being harmed from it.
Is "Defund" the same as "Abolish" when it comes to police??
No, that's not the same. Yes, there is a small minority that does want to abolish the police. However, "defund" is different. Their whole point is redirecting finance away from police towards other public services, dealing with mental health and other things like that. This would also imply the police not having to deal with things like mental health emergencies and having specialised people deal with them. As things stand, in the US, it seems that police officers are also part-time psychiatrists, part-time social workers, on top of the crime fighting and prevention duties. The defund group thinks the police should only focus on fighting and preventing crime and the duties and finances related to social work should be done by other departments/agencies/etc. So from the point of view of the public, the same services would still exist, except that in case someone has some mental health crisis, a specialized social worker would show up instead of an armed police officer with limited training. Supporters of defund believe that a lot of incidents/shootings could be prevented IF specialists were to defuse the situation, instead of armed officers who, by the mere fact that they're armed, raise the tensions.
Joe Biden and the democrats have destroyed law and order in this country .And now we are only beginning to see the results and the media is trying to hide it from you to keep the democrat based dumbed down so they will keep voting for their own demise
Nope, after all these years defund still doesn't mean abolish.
I believe in "defund the police" but I never liked the slogan. It needs to be very reimagined.
Its only gone to far in the sense it is not helping the people the policies are designed to help, or get the intended results.
the current approach isn't working.
What do you base that on?
@@InappropriateFab data/
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I strongly believe in giving everyone a fair chance. However, if you don’t make it, I’m against “fixing” things so you do. You either succeed or you don’t.
Umm but DEI is because people were not given a fair chance. Are you against “fixing” practices that are not fair? 🤔
@@tamisha8874
Of course I do. What part of “I strongly believe giving everyone a fair chance” did you miss?
@@Onewayto2024ok just wanted to clarify that “fixing” things so that people that won’t normally make it do make it, is not DEI. It’s about making people that have a chance of making it get a shot.
It could be the matter of hiring KBJ for SCOTUS and not make a political statement about it. Identity politics turns some Americans off. Sometimes, for good reason.
Did you know KBJ is objectively more qualified than all the other SCOTUS justices ?
Is she not qualified to be a justice?
@@InappropriateFab I think she's more than qualified. Don't you? Just listen to her, how could you not. Strange reply. Instead of announcing before hand you intend to hire a black woman, just do it. When Biden is asked or confronted, he should say, " I didn't notice her color/sex, but I did noticed her qualifications."
"World IQ Map" explains why the problem is unfixable.
Hahaha! Your golem is coming back to haunt you
You talking about "DIDNT EARN IT"
I can sadly say yes . I don’t want to get into it here, I want inclusion and diversity , some of the things I’m seeing don’t seem good or fair , they seem forced and wrong .
Australia ratified the UDHR. That means the government is committed to equity. This is the result of WW2. There is no "going too far" because equity is quantifiable. The numbers will tell us when we have arrived at equity. We are either moving toward equity, or we are moving away..."too far" bangs illogically against the meaning of "equity". If you have high blood pressure, that doesnt mean your blood pressure has "gone too far".
If "equity" is seen to debase the labour market, or is supposed to lower the skill level of particular workforces, that means equity policy is too focused on market intervention and not focused sufficiently on the social/systemic barriers to education training and home base.
If blackfellas are not getting enough maths education because the government hasnt put out the education for them adequately, that means they will be excluded from flying aircraft, for example. It doesnt mean that will be flying aircraft around withour navigating or understanding the instruments. Huh? If you see a black pilot, that means they were able to overcome the obstacles placed before them in their education.
@@redsword1659 ..... and where has that happened?
Can you show evidence on this subject?
@@andrewgreen5574 what do you mean "where has that happened?". Im just explaining what the word "equity" means and how it doesnt come in dollops, rather, it is a state, like your blood pressure. Do you think im making some sort of claim? Explain yourself.
@@andrewgreen5574 what is the thing that you think i am claiming has happened which you suggest hasnt happened? Then i might be able to provide evidence, however, what im saying is self evident, unless you have a different definition of "equity".
Will David ever choose to cover the Gaza protests on US campuses? Its one of the biggest news stories in America right now and he chooses to ignore it.
What kinda impact on policy will these protests have?
The answer is, nothing. Not all student movements are equal in how much impact they actually have. Worthy cause, but mostly virtue signallers
@@nickmastro6870 "virtue signalling" - cue the cynicism.
These could have a big impact considering how much press attention theyre getting.
My point was more how David has completely stopped covering Israel / Gaza at all.
At this point we should call the Court what it really is: Supreme Republican Court Of The United States, or SRCOTUS.
Scrotus tho 😂
It goes too far when you announce you will only nominate a black woman on the supreme court. And when you hire cringe jean pierre
But...but what about Clarence Thomas?
It only seems to be "too far" when Black people are concerned. Bill Clinton went to such lengths to nominate a (white) woman that he went three choices deep (Ruth Bader Ginsberg) when the first two publicly announced female choices crashed out over mini-scandals. Black nominees for high positions would have been ridiculed for decades if anyone had gotten appointed the way RBG did.
It’s easy to be an offended by it being white looking and FEELING like you know all the relevant perspectives.
At some point you need to admit there are some things you don’t experience as frequently or as intensely as others. Perhaps you can get the point but don’t ever get the experienced worldview.
Just like a job, dude. You can get someone that studied something or has experience… experience wins.
And in these candidates have both experience and study 😅 so of course that’s more valuable. DEI doesn’t remove job requirements. You simply lost to someone better. A white passing person can’t admit that or see beyond easily for long enough.
So in relation to the lack of reflection is worse for a job anyway with the other candidate better and quicker successful creative solutions for the organization hiring.
As trans guy I get a lived younger lady’s experience although not in older age. The experience is way different than how I’m treated as a guy now. The privilege makes a lot easier that some are unwilling or unable to admit. I sure as heck shouldn’t be leader of a women’s movement as I’m not experiencing that life but I’ll support it in other ways only allies not in the group can do.
What are you even saying? White people especially White MEN get passed up for jobs just for simply being that! How’s that for an experience 🙄
Such a well deserved complement
Thank you. Jewish women deserve space. To be heard. Their voices are all too often drowned.
This is ironic?
God Bless Israel 🇮🇱
Heard about what? What issues does a Jewish woman have in America?
Of course DEI can go to far just look at the supreme court 😅
Me: *reading through these 1am comments* This is why people ignore y'all. You lie and are not serious. This smacks of infantilism. Like 5 year olds who can't get their way, they default to doing anything to hurt someone else's feelings. So if you feel like America "left you behind" - that's why. No one wants to coddle a bunch of brats.
There is no such thing a s a "culture war".
DEI?? Let's just hear from those feminists and race hustlers who prize and fully grasp a topic like Calculus? Then we shall talk.
"World IQ Map" explains it all...
You watched Django Unchained and thought Calvin Candie was the hero, didn't you.
@@0Fyrebrand0 It's just reality. Sorry if you don't like it or can't understand it.
@@robotron17 well, considering light skinned Americans aren't fairing well globally, they must be the Europeans that were dropped on their heads.
Likewise, Asians must've developed more brain bumps since the 50's......
Ah, what it's like to see a declining super power.
I never ever understood "Defund the Police" that way, that seems like a common misconception of what it would entail. It's taking away responsibilities from them that should be handled by better-trained persons anyway. We stop funding that kind of activity by police and reallocate that to professionals that are necessary due to poor police training. It doesn't mean to stop going after criminals or upgrading gear. But some people would never admit that our cops are imperfect, often out of a desire to spite the victims.
The idea of DEI is needed and well intended but I think it has gone too far. As an Asian American I can't tell you how much I've seen that directly affects me and people like me in leiu of others. I think that's wrong.
Examples?
Yea because the world is full of idiots like you and rightards who feel it's true therefore all the research and stats behind dei are wrong.
@de6212 none, because it's made up. If they had examples, they would have lead with them.
Not getting into colleges, losing out on scholarships, losing out on promotions, my son not getting into certain medical schools (he did get into others).
Do I need to continue?
@@TheWriterNW can you prove that is caused by DEI?
😂😂😂😂 next you wonder if maybe Joe Biden isn't alll there 😂😂😂😂
Equal opportunity didn't allow unqualified minority Americans to take opportunities from qualified white Americans. Equal opportunity allowed qualified minority Americans to take opportunities from unqualified white Americans.
agree 100% with David. I support DEI, but I have seen WAY too much antisemitism/lack of Jewish inclusivity and intersectionality that turns a lot of people in my community off. Right wingers will say "well this is why we need to abolish DEI" and crazies on the left will say that it isn't happening or if it is happening it is good. We as liberals/progressives have to find common ground and say the idea is intrinsically good and meaningful but that antisemitism is never acceptable and Jewish people have every right and deserve to be included under the DEI umbrella.
The idea of DEI is fine, but why are we hiring based off of race instead of skills?
A HUGE YES.
Using something incorrectly doesn’t mean that something isn’t good.
Fix inequality in the schools
Yeah the scientist one is certainly a cult classic.
DEI is a great concept but it’s not doing much. Is doesn’t help the groups that it’s intended to…its end up being something that republicans use to say see we are for poor people and minorities
It’s not DEI, it’s the loudest voices railing against it. Trying to make it sound like it’s a problem instead of addressing the issues. DEI has been portrayed as something other than what it is by the racists.
I disagree , I’m a comic book nerd, I grew up as an outcast, I grew up watching Star Trek and believing all people are equal . I can’t tell you how often I see people post ‘ middle aged white men ‘ and I’m a middle aged white guy , and the way they put all of us into one group and tell me I’m all these bad things , honestly it feels wrong . The way you do something matters , and I can say from my hobbies some of the things I’m seeing don’t seem like they are coming from a god place . Honestly today a lot of what I see is having the exact opposite effect , instead of bringing people together and opening their heart and mind , it’s dividing people , and closeting their mind with behavior that is not fitting of people claiming to desire positive change . You can;t heal the world by throwing fire and burning it all down . I’m voting for Joe Biden , Trump is an insane man child . Honestly lately I feel like us people I. The middle ares stuck between two extreme factions of left and right , and while,I personally think the right is more dangerous , I’ve been super disappointed at the far left. Anyway good luck
It goes too far when we're so obsessed with being inclusive that we forget who we are and what we stand for. To the point we have foreigners turning our own laws against us and filing civil suits to protect THEIR rights, but our own rights become irrelevant.
"Defund the Police," while an abysmally poor slogan, does not mean what David appears to think it means.
Its aim is to re-allocate duties from Law Enforcement to Social Work, in order to facilitate the de-escalation of tensions in domestic and psychological situations.
Armed Law Enforcement tends to exacerbate such situations, whether through their mere uniformed presence or through making wrong judgments and taking wrong actions.
Does DEI favor Israel or Hamas???
I think there are SCANT few people who are truly not racist. But, most of us, especially on the left, are racist to such a small degree that there are bigger fish to fry.
To me, most of the "too far" DEI instances seem like superficial media stuff. 'Boycott this movie because there's not enough X ethnic actors.' 'Why doesn't Influencer A do a project with Influencer B to show they aren't prejudice?'
Absolutely not...start looking into the DEI into the military...sorry I don't care what color your skin is...what religion uou are. What your sexual orientation/identity is...I want the most qualified people to be in the seat to defend our country. Not someone who looks diverse. Jimney crickets. Do you want the best doctor? Or the most diverse doctor? I mean think about it. Diversity doesn't mean diversity of color. It should be diversity of thought and experience.
DEI is an inherently flawed concept. It's an attempted shortcut around putting in the effort to insure that equality of opportunity actually exists and actually does level the field. Let me put it this way, I do not want my surgeon or my pilot to be a DEI hire.
So......what kind of people are a DEI hire?
@@hirampriggott1689 Someone who is not qualified for the job, not as qualified as someone who wasn't hired or someone that now thinks he has something to prove and will take stupid risks to prove it.
@@Valicroix So you are an empolyment recruiter? That's good to know.
That's not how that works however that's hoe it works for nepotism. Pearly white folks. How do you think the trumpy family got so far.
Make sure you let that be loudly known to hospital staff the next time you or your family has to go to the ER, and let us know how that works out for you
Notice how no one cares about videos that have your face on it? That’s why you have to create the problem you complain about. Also nice fake very clear phone call. I’m sure she tells her students about the author of a book and kids ask about it and she has to hide her political views as she asks you about a subject you set up and she just HATES the other sides views for you to make a video that doesn’t make you look at all like you’d like it to. You want to get into an argument about this to make a definitive video but again notice no one clicks for your option anymore. Because of things like this
what the hell do you know?
@@hirampriggott1689 I know that you’re gay
The moment that DEI started to exist it had already gone too far. Excluding people by "race," sex, sexual orientation, religion, nationality, etc should never be the goal. Seeking to prejudice your hiring, payroll, admittance, or other policies according to hierarchies sorted by "race," sex, sexual orientation, etc. should never be the goal. These things are fundamentally wrong-headed and moving in the opposite direction of progress from the word go. The more you talk about the fallacious and invented concept of "race," the more power you give to it. The more you talk about racism, the more racism you will inspire. Identity politics of any kind will ALWAYS, INEVITABLY, inspire push back and create identity politics of other, oppositional kinds. The ONLY way to move forward to to strive to be color blind, gender blind, etc. The goal OUGHT to be to get to a point where talking about someone's story, experiences, or value as an individual through the lens of what "race" they are, what color they are, or what shaped genitalia they prefer should be as obviously nonsensical as talking about these things through the lens of what color socks that person wears, or whether or not they've got a belly button that is an "innie" or an "outie." Anyone obsessed with these things should be mocked, scorned, excluded from the conversation, or at the very least not taken seriously.
I doubt white supremacy was formed by "talking about racism", lol.
It's hard to move out of a system that has been established for over 500 years, and racism has resurgence regardless if it's "spoken about" or not.
Mexico is a prime example of this, where racial inequalities still exist without it being spoken about, literally removing racial classifications in 1823.
DEI is 🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑
Pfffttt, I like how the "the left" accepts right-wing talking points, where as Republicans will just drop it once it's no longer convenient.
It's not good faith and shouldn't be treated as such.
Likewise, I feel like david is just accepting corporate jargon and applying in a broader means, just like the right does.
Justice Brown is more qualified than most of the other justices put together. That woman has been across several positions in the system.
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What is a Woman???
@@user-wh9vy2fx8y yes, she couldn't define one.
@@bigfoot-5150 2 words
Adult Female
Yes it has... lol
Why do all men in these media/podcast/UA-cam channels that focus on politics have insanely horrible hair cuts?
Like all of them, left right or center. Who is cutting these mens hair? Like the most terrible haircuts
Like is he going for the gilded age/Victorian/Edwardian look? I mean
Ok im gonna stop cause the people say stop judging peoples looks but its the hair styles on these men that kills me😂😂😂
Rethink police
How can anyone trust you when you said IDF is not targeting civilians. IDF posted TikTok crimes against civilians,,, but you said nope they are not targeting civilians. I need to unsubsribe because you are a liar.
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The entire concept is nonsense - if you hire on the basis of ethnicity or sex, and not on the basis of competency, this is simply wrong, and the *inevitable* result is that standards will fall. If you treat people as equals, then they will become equals. It may take time but it works. Attempting to force it doesn't work.
Why exactly would standards fall? DEI is not hiring people based on ethnicity or gender, it’s saying we have to add these qualified people to the consideration. It’s about expanding the hiring pool.
Twisting it to say these people are not qualified is the problem and it’s bigoted.
White people were always considered above anyone and definitely were not always the most qualified.
Guys like you always insist that unqualified minority Americans get hired every time. Laughably stupid.
DEI should have never existed.
Opponents of DEI. Literally telling us they are racist without saying they are racist.
Yes, because to expect someone to be hired by merit than race is so racist, right?
@@juniorgod321They are being hired based on merit. You just see more of another race because now they are equal to try.
@@Shinycelebi If it's on merit alone, then what's DEI for? Please enlighten me:)
@juniorgod321 Nobody has to enlighten you, you're the one who made the notion they are being hired based on race first.
Extreme DEI starts looking like far right segregation only under the ideology of respecting and giving space to a minority's racial identity rather than hatred
When does DEI go too far?
when you're a woman but you don't know what a woman is
I think Laverne Cox is hot!🔥
When is DEI the new N-word? When bigots can't come up with a reason to attack stellar professional credentials and find trivialities as a reason to deny a Black person a job.
One group is generally good at basketball, but not thinking or inventing. All of history confirms this.