The most underrated part of KOTOR 1

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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
  • I like Taris, this video tries to explain why.

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  • @tycurtis9762
    @tycurtis9762 Рік тому +63

    I think Taris is a fun planet. I really think the mindset it's boring comes from people who've already beaten the game replaying it as you just want to become a jedi and get liked companions a part of your group already. As a first time experience, it was a fun adventure filled with content.

  • @The-Black-Death
    @The-Black-Death 8 місяців тому +21

    As a kid playing KOTOR1 on the original Xbox, Taris felt like a homely adventure that I got somewhat lost in.

  • @Rievax17
    @Rievax17 Рік тому +23

    I honestly think the kotor games look way better than other 2000s era games like Oblivion or even Fallout 3

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  Рік тому +7

      I get that, these games have a visually nice aesthetic and great use of colour (especially compared to Fallout 3's awful looking filter).

  • @kiana.malcolm
    @kiana.malcolm Рік тому +76

    Taris is great! After you play Perseus, you understand how bad a starting planet can really be.

    • @aylix2137
      @aylix2137 Рік тому +16

      Peragus was incredible man, Telos could drag at times though...

    • @decline1129
      @decline1129 8 місяців тому +7

      This might be the biggest L take I’ve ever come across on the internet

    • @kiana.malcolm
      @kiana.malcolm 8 місяців тому +5

      @@decline1129 I accidentally dropped my phone in the shower while typing a reply which made me contemplate the bad karma that comes with the horrendous war crime of a sentence that I wrote. I’ve decided to take a stance of pacifism and leave it at this.
      I said what I said and those who know, know.

    • @dzigayu4944
      @dzigayu4944 6 місяців тому +8

      Peragus is underrated, the murder mystery aspect alone kept me really entertained and wanting to continue the story. Though I admit on second playthrough it's not as interesting, but if you already know what to do you can bulldoze through Peragus significantly faster than Taris.

    • @SirEpifire
      @SirEpifire 6 місяців тому +4

      Peragus has a similar (initially gated) take as Taris. With the exception it's way smaller and instead of getting freed up afterward in TSL, you get stuck on Citadel Station and then Telos' surface. You really don't get near as much real choices in the sequel, which is one of my biggest gripes.

  • @Arratick
    @Arratick Рік тому +34

    hi - yeah i agree the intro for kotor (endar spire + taris) is really underrated as a opening tutorial. it introduces a strong hook to the game and characters are introduced so well throughout the intro (mission, calo nord, canderous)... it is extremely apparent story and rpg elements are focus in this game. i also never feel like that taris is small when there's only around 10 zone/loading screens in the entire sequence. taris actually feels like a bustling and living planet! it has great worldbuilding. i feel like a lot of rpgs have kind of put that part of the formula on the backburner - to me only mass effect and the witcher 3 have come close to reaching the same level. i wish i can see a remake to kotor sooner rather and later - i think a lot of people are put off by its graphics, but it is still solid enough as it is.

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  Рік тому +6

      100% agreed. Taris just has a ton of worldbuilding. For example, I love the fact that an area like the undercity has its own unique legends like the promised land. Every level of the world has its own unique vibe to it, you can feel the hopelessness of places like the undercity or the rampant gang violence of the lower city. Also, it's impressive how they managed to introduce Calo Nord as well as they did with the technical limitations of the time, he is immideately established as a real bad-ass.
      And personally I'm not too excited for the remake. I'm trying to have no expections so I won't be dissapointed, but it would be incredible if it can bring a classic like KOTOR to a new generation!

  • @admiral7599
    @admiral7599 Рік тому +24

    I agree with this, Dantooine can be a bit boring, but KOTOR 2's starting place is way more boring imo, Telos especially.

    • @WaxDubs
      @WaxDubs 6 місяців тому

      thank the heavens for Skip Peragus!

    • @BroadwayRonMexico
      @BroadwayRonMexico 5 місяців тому +2

      Peragus is awful, but the first part of the time on Telos I actually liked (the station). It's when you get down to the surface where Telos starts to get way too long and dragged out.

  • @BrickedUpp
    @BrickedUpp Рік тому +13

    I honestly loved taris. It was the biggest planet and I always spent most time on it even on my first play through before I knew it would get blown up. The only quest I never did on it was killing the mandalorian on the death match

  • @DynamicDandyz
    @DynamicDandyz Рік тому +3

    Taris is most definitely the coolest little starting level of any game.
    You've got Bounties, rare armors, duel arena, Rakghoul serum and the quests that come with it. And you can rake out both Swoop Bike gangs!!
    I love starting a new KOTOR playthrough every few months.
    KOTOR 2 is fun as well, but the tutorial takes ages, and the loot is pure RNG, usually save and load to get the best gear possible.
    KOTOR 2 also is a pain in the ass if you forget something 😂😅

  • @hansyolo8277
    @hansyolo8277 Рік тому +5

    I just got done playing KOTOR for the first time last week. I really liked Taris. I loved that the interactions changed when you got (that armor), and was sad when it was taken away

    • @TuSoKa67
      @TuSoKa67 5 місяців тому +1

      There's a way to keep the armor

  • @jacksonstrycharz4183
    @jacksonstrycharz4183 2 місяці тому +1

    Taris is rough the first time because you probably don’t know how the game works yet. Taris is rough every other time because you just wanna get to the lightsaber fightsaber part of the game. In reality, Taris is fine.

  • @Its_Dende
    @Its_Dende Рік тому +4

    My favorite planet has always been Taris. It felt so immersive to me and its where i really fell in love with the game

  • @overtherenowaitthere
    @overtherenowaitthere Рік тому +4

    its crazy how nostalgic this feels, i remember taris mostly for the music, the sound effects, and all the side stories. It really feels like BioWare ran out of time (or in case of the Xbox probably memory lol) with the other planets and wanted Taris to be the blueprint for how they would set up all the other worlds.

  • @Daniel1.1
    @Daniel1.1 9 місяців тому +1

    I just finished playing Kotor 1 for the first time. Blind playthrough, spent a good week playing this game, everyday for at least 10 hours, no lifing it. It was so good man, and I have to wholeheartedly agree with your opinion in the video. I liked every bit of it, every aspect of the game and its story. The whole narrative of "it gets better as you play or watch" is kind of dumb to me, I disagree with it too. People nowadays just don't understand what it means to be patient. They want INSTANT action 24/7 because their brains are rotten.

    • @Daniel1.1
      @Daniel1.1 9 місяців тому +2

      Oh and on top of this, the Kotor games aren't your regular games. They're fully fledged out stories, which impatient people don't understand. Edit: Good video man 👍

  • @skettinbutter3635
    @skettinbutter3635 Рік тому +9

    Kotor Is the one game where I actually enjoy the tutorial

  • @paolopesare3566
    @paolopesare3566 Рік тому +8

    I always liked Taris! It's cool to be a simple republic soldier with (apparently) nothing special at the start! When you are on the Endar Spire, you can deal with the sith troopers but when the Dark Jedi appear you have to run away. Feeling vulnerable at the start is amazing. Kotor 1 is the story of a person that starts a new life as a second chance. Choosing to be the same person or a different one it's up to the player.

  • @lolwut1337n355
    @lolwut1337n355 8 місяців тому +1

    I remember picking this game up and being insanely disappointed with the gameplay, thinking it was going to be like Jedi Academy.
    Didn't take me long to really start to appreciate and enjoy the game and all the RPG mechanics.

  • @walrusmaximus
    @walrusmaximus 5 місяців тому +1

    Playing KotOR for the first time on XBox when i was a kid, i loved exploring Taris. When i finally beat Taris i felt so accomplishmed bevause it's a rarher difficult game for a pre-teen who's never played DnD-style games.

  • @danielboggan2479
    @danielboggan2479 Рік тому +3

    Taris is a good starting point the first time you play it but it gets old after you play the games and restart a few times.

  • @JXEditor
    @JXEditor Рік тому

    I love Taris. It could be its own game. A game where you *don’t* play as a Jedi, and that’s how I approach it. Otherwise you spend all of Taris and probably Dantooine too annoyed.

  • @franciscoantonio5306
    @franciscoantonio5306 6 місяців тому +1

    Taris is so good. Definitely the best planet in terms of writing.

  • @Disco-Mike
    @Disco-Mike 3 дні тому

    Especially, dont forget, you can play it on the mobile.

  • @inoiz8395
    @inoiz8395 11 днів тому

    Taris was the best planet. my first play I spent 7 hours on it doing all the side quests. and was bummed all the rest of planets were so boring.

  • @Elrohof
    @Elrohof 3 місяці тому

    I didn't ever finish either KOTOR until 2020, I started by dabbling with KOTOR 2 in 2006 and didn't even try KOTOR 1 until 2012. Taris isn't a bad planet, most people are just antsy because they wanna hurry up and become their Jedi class.
    What I've found with KOTOR 1 is, while the main story is great, everything else just reeeaaaaallyyyyyyyyy sucks. Side missions are 9/10 times VERY boring stories with a "canon" resolution and a super caricatured "evil" alternate resolution. Evil choice usually just resulting in slightly more EXP due to killing everyone for no real reason, and +100 credits because "evil is the shortcut to money and power" or whatever, neither of which makes a significant difference to us as players.

  • @Sadeness99
    @Sadeness99 Місяць тому

    Taris and endire spire are probably the funnest part of the whole game. It sucks we can't new game plus to get new experience with all the party members and a lightsaber. Maybe the remake could rectify this, if all the voice actors came back. Endar spire is similar to the star forge. Intense desperate fighting.

  • @dontwrite9s4ever86
    @dontwrite9s4ever86 Місяць тому

    its the gameplay and it should have been an isometric game. its suffered from catering to the Xbox but everything else is good. this is also the same with Deus Ex 1.

  • @WoFDarkNewton
    @WoFDarkNewton 4 місяці тому

    Yeah, Taris is awesome. Maybe the best planet, or one of the best. I feel like Peragus is the boring one that you need to skip on subsequent playthroughs, and sometimes Telos as well (up until the polar ice facility).

  • @sampeak1605
    @sampeak1605 Місяць тому

    I agree. I like Taris. It may also be my favorite. I wish other planets had the same level of development.

  • @mk1k
    @mk1k 6 місяців тому

    Taris and manaan have always been two of my favorites. I think korriban beats both out for favorite in the first game, but i find taris horribly underrated

  • @jaysgamesroom4853
    @jaysgamesroom4853 3 місяці тому

    Yeah spot on. Skipping Taris is fucking blasphemy.

  • @oldgrankle4941
    @oldgrankle4941 6 місяців тому +1

    its kinda a situation of "You never know what you've got 'til it's gone"

  • @riverjordan2010
    @riverjordan2010 Місяць тому

    I don't know why Taris gets all the hate, it is by far my favorite part of the game.

  • @PopeDuwang
    @PopeDuwang 5 місяців тому

    I’m gonna say it!! Taris and Paragus are Great Intro Planets!!
    Telos on the other hand…..

  • @chrisc.3635
    @chrisc.3635 2 місяці тому

    Hot take but i think dantooine is much worst than taris and is far less interesting.

  • @asherkennedy1276
    @asherkennedy1276 5 місяців тому

    Not to be “that guy”, but the dialog options can be very consequential

  • @leaaronsanchez
    @leaaronsanchez Рік тому +1

    There's a glitch with the Ebon Hawk. Everyone is standing in the communication room and in the storage room there's droids. They will ask you where would you like to go. You can replay Taris from the moment you woke up at your current level and crew. Or even the Enbor Spire attack and escape. Everything you collect is kept when you leave.

    • @Sadeness99
      @Sadeness99 2 місяці тому

      Only if you play on Xbox 360 or og i believe

  • @Lexoka
    @Lexoka 3 місяці тому

    Taris is great for its sense of atmosphere. The tension on the quarantined planet is palpable, you feel the anxiety, the nervousness when talking to people, and if you let yourself be immersed in the game and its story, it resonates with your own anxiety and sense of urgency because you need to find Bastila and get off the damn rock, but between the Sith blockade and the plague, everything is locked down. On the surface, the planet's society appears prosperous and free, but it's a facade. And every time you think you're close to figuring a way out, you realize you're further from your goal than you thought.
    Yes, the planet also gradually introduces various elements of gameplay in a pretty smooth way, but that's not why it's so good.

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  3 місяці тому +1

      This is so well written, and I agree!

  • @stefanlagrange188
    @stefanlagrange188 6 місяців тому

    I'm playing it for the first time in 2024 on Xbox... I could not really get to grips with the game mechanics on the opening ship, so Taris is great in the sense of allowing one to get comfortable with everything. Watched a couple of YT videos and although I understand the D&D dice roll combat system a bit better I still feel like I am only watching and not in control. PS Thank you for not revealing the plot twist. I am actually still on Taris! 😊

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  6 місяців тому

      I still don't fully understand the mechanics tbh. I just use flurry and dual wield lightsabers, it's an effective enough strategy.

  • @JimBox810
    @JimBox810 Рік тому +2

    You get 6 of your 9 companions on Taris, Of course its the best planet.

  • @themysteri0usstranger
    @themysteri0usstranger 4 місяці тому

    taris is the best part of the game, yes.

  • @zacharymccants77
    @zacharymccants77 Рік тому

    I’m replaying KOTOR 2, after replaying KOTOR a few months ago. Taris and Dantooine are great starting planets. Peragus and Telos are arguably the worst locations in the second one.

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  Рік тому +1

      To be honest, I don't even hate Peragus that much. What gets me on KOTOR 2 is the part on the surface of Telos. That is such a boring drawn out section.

  • @gas481
    @gas481 7 місяців тому

    As much as you love kotor, you need to play baldurs gate 3. It’s the first game after 20 years to actually come close, if not surpass kotor.

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  6 місяців тому

      Honestly, I've tried getting into BG3 but it just never clicks for me. I hope I'll start liking it eventually tho.

  • @zanekorvek8643
    @zanekorvek8643 3 місяці тому

    Jedi Knight Jedi Academy Best Star Wars Game

  • @Rivers9679
    @Rivers9679 4 місяці тому

    Best $5 bucks I spent.

  • @Hidesinmud
    @Hidesinmud 8 місяців тому

    I always liked Taris best as well

  • @thegoon3088
    @thegoon3088 2 місяці тому

    Taris is lit man

  • @MolGaeilge
    @MolGaeilge 9 місяців тому

    Taris is so good

  • @mr.voidout4739
    @mr.voidout4739 Рік тому +1

    One of the biggest (if not the) reasons I can't stick with this game is equipped weapons are held-out at all times, no sheathing or holstering. If I want the characters to roam a city realistically, I have to unequip everything. I know it seems silly and it's an older game, but it's an nagging aspect that bars my enjoyment. Can't even find any mods. So that plus an arguably slow start, I haven't been able to push myself past Dantooine on the two times I've given it a chance. I've absorbed all the narrative and lore, but these games need a remaster with a few QoL changes IMO.

    • @moonman1329
      @moonman1329 Рік тому +1

      Literally a non issue, its not even a QoL issue.

    • @TheMahayanist
      @TheMahayanist Рік тому +2

      Well, that's your OCD not ours.

    • @Ay-xq7mj
      @Ay-xq7mj 8 місяців тому

      ???

  • @Haamre
    @Haamre 6 місяців тому

    @Timbean That's because Taris & Telos are two different planets. Taris was intact after the Mandalorian Wars, and was destroyed after the prologue of KOTOR1.
    Telos was a planet destroyed (by Revan, I think?) during the initial phase of the "Jedi Civil War" (when Revan was still Darth Revan), and was in the process of being rebuild during KOTOR2.

  • @SpanishArmadaProd
    @SpanishArmadaProd 8 місяців тому

    I want to be a republican soldier 🤩

    • @tuutelis
      @tuutelis 7 місяців тому +1

      We are republicans soldier

  • @springheeljak145
    @springheeljak145 9 місяців тому

    I love Taris. Some people say it's a slog only after the first playthrough, but I still enjoy going through Taris. There's so much to do in Taris, especially when you compare it to Peragus and Telos in KOTOR 2. The main story is linear, but you have a lot of freedom to go do what you want.

  • @Sandlund93
    @Sandlund93 Рік тому

    I agree, Taris is the best planet. Which makes sense, the start of the game is where you get the player interested enough in it to continue playing, from a developer perspective. The starting planets in SWTOR are the best planets too, it´s just smart to focus the majority of your time on that part of the experience as a dev. In Jedi Outcast my favourite level is actually the penultimate one, when you have unlocked all max ranks on Force Powers, but you really have to earn your lightsaber in that one too. To me, Outcast is even better than KotOR, it´s still the best SW game ever made. I haven´t tried Jedi Survivor yet though but I will eventually.
    In KotOR 2 you got Force Storm too quickly, I remember zerging every pack with that one. And the story was kind of dull. It´s like Jedi Academy in that way, you have the ability to be way too overpowered too early (you can choose to get Force Lightning rank 3 in mission 3 if you want) and the story is weak. And Force Rage rank 3 is pretty much God Mode for 10 seconds, it makes every enemy a joke, including the last boss. At least if you mix it with sidestep strikes with the saberstaff, it basically oneshots everything except a handful of bosses/minibosses.

  • @angryyoutuber8013
    @angryyoutuber8013 5 місяців тому

    As a kid, on the OG Xbox I always got stuck in the Taris sewers, so for the longest time Kotor, to me was just Taris until I played it again some years later on PC and beat it.

  • @SirEpifire
    @SirEpifire 6 місяців тому

    Every time I play it, the utopian cities of Taris and Manaan just make it feel incredible. There's this real, "sky is the limit" feel to the starting section and I've always loved it since I was a kid. You're starting out, initially scraping to get by with Carth; as you slowly reach further and further out from the apartment. It's such a natural and organic way to be introduced to the game. Dantooine is pure bliss, especially with that soundtrack out by the grove (you know the one).

  • @Itsuhtrap42
    @Itsuhtrap42 Рік тому

    I'm curious how you found that the dialogue options don't affect anything. IIRC, dialogue options resulted in dark/light side points which definitely affect the ending.

  • @PhilBushay
    @PhilBushay 6 місяців тому

    Taris is also my favorite part of the game and probably my favorite Star Wars city. I always get a little sad progressing through it knowing I can't go back.

  • @ApeBoy1787
    @ApeBoy1787 4 місяці тому

    I just started playing this game again last year and you're right. I used to think this part of the game was so boring but now I like it because it shows me if my character build is going to be worth it.

  • @JurgenKrace
    @JurgenKrace Рік тому

    Hhmm... You have decided to stick along with asian looking Revan. I just noticed, I never tried this guy.

  • @alternative1426
    @alternative1426 6 місяців тому

    I literally played a week ago for the first time and I've never got this hyped in a while... you can pretty much guess how great this game is despite it's age.

  • @sobrietyliiving
    @sobrietyliiving Рік тому

    I think that you are correct! I remember watching the gameplay trailer as a 15 year old at a computer shop over and over! My friend was playing warcraft 3 and ALL I wanted to do was watch the video as I had 56k at home. When it finally came out (on xbox) I played through multiple times just to see the differences! Fable coming out not long after also drew my attention. Before these two games I was playing MUDs - the only other game I had really played and got started in was Ocarina of Time. All of these games taught me how to read, write and problem solve. My academic career is largely attributed to them! If these game had not sucked me in (oh and FF7) I don't know where I would be; I had no interest in reading until these games bound me to their stories.

  • @anonymoususer188
    @anonymoususer188 Рік тому

    I wouldn't go so far as to call Taris my favorite part of the game, but I don't think it's boring either. I really enjoy a lot of the side quests on Taris such as the Dueling Ring (though I never could beat Bendak Starkiller). One time as a challenge, I tried to beat all of Taris without leveling up the main character (excluding the forced level up in the Endar Spire). It actually is possible to do without any cheese strats. Carth is a beast in the early game and can easily carry you until you meet Mission and Zaalbar at which point you'll always have two party members who are still leveling up. The only challenging part is right after the Swoop Race when you're alone, but if you turn and run with a little luck, the enemies will all aggro on Bastilla who will wipe the floor with them. That was the first time that her claiming to have saved you instead of the other way around felt justified to me. Admittedly, actually becoming a Jedi yourself is awesome, but even before that, just having Bastilla as a party member gives a similar feeling of power. Excluding Calo Nord (and maybe the Sith Governor), she could probably solo every combat encounter in Taris without even breaking a sweat.

  • @Ahzafera
    @Ahzafera Рік тому

    Taris is great. The only problem I have with it is that I've replayed Taris so many times. Usually the case with most games I like to replay. The first area is the most memorable, so I'm impatient to move onto the next.

  • @urbanrevive1209
    @urbanrevive1209 Рік тому

    Running through Taris on every playthrough is the highlight of the entire power fantasy tied only with saving korriban for last. Taris 4eva

  • @lexort4204
    @lexort4204 Рік тому

    I love both of the kotor games, even though I'm more partial to the second one, the first game still is a classic star wars adventure that atleast once a year I revisit.

  • @keetongu445
    @keetongu445 6 місяців тому

    Ive always loved Taris and Dantooine. I even actually like Paragus and Telos in Kotor 2 as well. Ive been called crazy for enjoying them

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  6 місяців тому

      Oh yeah that is an actual unpopular opinion. I do agree on Telos, I think it's pretty fun. Just not the surface part of Telos tho...

  • @danielalva2
    @danielalva2 6 місяців тому

    Great video! Love your style

  • @DynamicDandyz
    @DynamicDandyz Рік тому

    If you like this game. I highly recommend Jade Empire as well

    • @timbean8768
      @timbean8768  Рік тому +1

      Honestly, I've been meaning to check that one out for a while now. I always got the feeling that I'm missing out on a Bioware classic. I think I'll try it one of these days.

    • @DynamicDandyz
      @DynamicDandyz Рік тому

      @@timbean8768 Sooner rather than later, I had it when I was a kid with KOTOR, and it's honestly just as great as KOTOR.

  • @daniel_najar
    @daniel_najar Рік тому

    My memories of this level weren't fond growing up lol