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The Conservative Party is undergoing the arduous process of electing a new leader to replace Rishi Sunak and become the next leader of the opposition.
Former Home Secretary Priti Patel was eliminated in the first round, leaving Robert Jenrick, James Cleverly and Kemi Badenoch as the front-runners.
Andrew Marr joins Hannah Barnes and Rachel Cunliffe on the New Statesman podcast to discuss the candidates, and the impact they might have on the shape of the Tory party in opposition. Andrew and Rachel also reveal the mood within the parliament tea-rooms, and make their predictions for who will make it to the final ballot.
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Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
Yes. Starmer, Reeves, Raynor, Lammy - they give the incompetent Tories hope of being elected in 2029.
The delusions of Robert Jenrick are plain to see in his video. The Tories did not lose because they "failed to communicate", they lost because they had as leaders two muppets in Johnson and Truss; effectively the "40W bulbs of the party" who were left completely unsupervised by an adult, during and after a global emergency.
What they need is someone who can rebuild trust in the brand, which they really dont have to work that hard at, the way Starmer has started his term as PM. Someone who is willing to stick the knife into those predecessors and distance their leadership and priorities from that of the those PM's of last term of conservative government starting in 2018.
Elements of media said the same of Margaret Thatcher when she was elected as Conservative Party in 1975.
And look at what a failure that turned out. Hated by half the country at the time, and rejected by all but a tiny minority of the c party now (remember, she took us into europe).
Selling the oil fields' rights to private companies, selling council houses, the deindustrialisation of the North, and the Conservative finance politics caused inflation in the 80s and Trade Unions striking.
@@MrOliver1444 sadly true.
Imagine being in an organisation in which Kemi Badenoch is regarded as 'scorchingly clever.'
The Guardian was trying to find dirt on Kemi, now Marr is trying to convince people she should not be Tory leader. The more the neo liberals (who are not liberal) and the left are against her I want the more I want her to win.
Ditto
My enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend.
That’s because you’re politics is focussed on left/liberal/woke and doesn’t have substance away from that.
@@mpg3946 Since you don't know anything of the scope of my politics you cannot judge if they have substance or not.
Badenoch will mean more pointless years spent arguing about whether people should get human rights instead of actually giving them, we need better LGBTQ rights we need better narrative in government and badenoch cant deliver that and its why the right wing are always so depressing
Please let it be Kemi, she will ensure that they stay in opposition for a very long time 😂😂😂😂😂
I don't get why so many people keep mentioning her intelligence. I mean based on what? She is also extremely unpleasant.
No, Kemi will be the next prime minister within a few years.
I agree. I hope she gets in and if she does she will consign the Conservative Party to oblivion … permanently.
@@georgesotiriou7051can I ask what it is about her that makes her seem so unpleasant?
@@andreafox7267why?
Andrew, the Tories don't 'do' humility, they never have and never will. They rely on the electorate having a poor memory, that way people forget they were to blame for so many disasters and think the Tories deserve another chance. Usually, they're proved right, the electorate do forget, and vote them back in again, and so the vicious circle is complsted once more.
Not one of these candidates is prepared to admit that their party made a series of calamitous mistakes while in office. I might listen to their bleatings if they were prepared to be brave and honest, telling their fellow MPs, and indirectly the electorate, what we all know: that Brexit was a dreadful mistake, and the deal struck with the EU poor for both sides; that the Rwanda policy was an immoral, decidely unpleasant attempt to tackle a worldwide problem; that lying and obfuscating about almost every move they made is not the way to govern, and that leaving it to a tiny membership of the party 'faithful' is only going to land them with another middle-aged lettuce or spouter of half-truths backed by no principles whatsoever.
Normally I would agree with this. However we live 10 minutes from the German border, we now have border checks today due to the integration issues seen in Germany. The German government are seriously considering the Rwanda plan that the UK ditched. Looking at Mario Draghi statement and considering Germany has been the cornerstone of EU policy the world is a totally different place to 2016.
@@colbr6733 I agree the problem is worldwide . . . But I still argue that the Rwanda idea is both misguided and simply will not work as it is neither a real deterrent or will ever able to deal with more than a miniscule percentage of the millions who are 'on the move' to what they hope will be a better life.
bunch of gross incompetents some of whom should be in jail
Go to jail,do not transfer all you dodgy income to a offshore tax haven.
For what crime?
James Cleverly seems to be the candidate who is the most eloquent and approachable and the one person who could effectively oppose Keir Starmer.
Effectively oppose Keir Starmer.?.ther's a lot of heavy lifting in that statement. Cleverly can not think on his feet.
@@annishilcock4587 Cleverly could get sponsorship from Smarties for his campaign and the puns on his name could make memorable headlines and publicity for Tories.
Wrong man for the job. Met him about 20 years ago - can’t believe he got senior cabinet positions. Was very unimpressed with him.
Cleverley is just another impotent liar. Promised the world and achieved nothing.
Cleverly joked he spiked his wife's drink with a date rape drugs at a time he was responsible for putting legislation through to combat the problem. You don't have to dig deep with any of those torys to find major faults with them,but the tory media conviently bury their heads in the sand to protect those that pay them.
Describes 99% of parliament. But that doesn't make him innocent. Or even suitable.
Jenrick is just as horrible as Badenoch but speaks more nicely. That’s the only difference
Horrible in what sense?
That’s two minutes of my life I’ll never get back. Gee thanks 👍🏼👌
They won’t. They’ll elect the man who painted over Mickey Mouse!
They have learned nothing.
They’ll regret any of those incompetent fools.
Please don't get into this American habit of having spoilers. It's pointless and annoying on a short video.
Yes Times Radio started that crap and now I no longer watch their videos.
@@MrBizteck Exactly the same here!
All youtube clickbait habits are repulsive.
I keep thinking the video has skipped backwards.
The Tories are cooked for a generation regardless 😂😅
We live in an age of personality politics, and Badenoch's temperament is one too divisive to lead the Conservatives out of their (self-inflicted) wilderness years. Marr - as always - has it bang on here.
You think Starmer is PM because of his magnetic personality?
@@georgesdelatour No, I don’t. In fact, Starmer is PM precisely because he lacks personality. As per YouGov’s most recent poll, Starmer - despite slipping into a net unfavourable approval rating - is still the most popular party leader in the UK. Of course, there are a number of variables as to why this is the case, but much of it is to do with the fact that his temperament can never aggravate someone TOO much; it’s difficult to get wound up over someone who is so utterly boring as Keir Starmer is. That also means he’ll never reach the heights of popularity (with certain groups) as say Boris Johnson or Tony Blair did, but it also means he can never quite reach their lows either.
@@mysterytrain96 I suppose the obvious parallel is with John Major. Starmer and Major both seem to possess a kind of antimatter charisma. Both are considered moderates compared to their supposedly more dogmatic predecessors. And in both cases, this may be wrong.
Margaret Thatcher was always portrayed as the Iron Lady, but look more closely and you can find evidence of her sometimes being indecisive and vacillating. Major was, in some ways, more dogmatic. The political choice which doomed his premiership was his decision to join the ERM, and stick with it doggedly, long after it became obvious the policy couldn’t work. At the point when he finally gave in to reality, he’d already raised interest rates to 12% and was on the verge of raising them to 15%. Voters never forgave him for the pain he’d inflicted on them. The irony is, after the UK left the ERM, Kenneth Clarke ran the UK economy the best it’s ever been run in the entire postwar period. It made possible the Blair good times.
BTW Major only passed the Maastricht Treaty through Parliament - by just three votes - by threatening the Tory rebels he’d call a General Election and deliberately set out to lose it to Labour. I can’t imagine Margaret Thatcher engaging it that kind of political brinkmanship.
It’s too early to tell, but I think I see something temperamentally similar in Starmer. I hope I’m wrong.
Err no he wasn’t , kemi is a great weapon against starmer , got more personality 😂
@@mysterytrain96he isn’t up against any leader 😂😂 when he was up against boris he was getting schooled regularly and kemi deals with starmer well and calls him out !
All the better for Labour if Badenoch becomes leader of the Conservatives.
Andrew Marr stated what I believed about Kemi Badenoch. She is very touchy and incredibly sensitive to criticism considering she's a politician.
Why does marr keep saying kemi is bright? She definitely thinks she is but I've yet to see actual evidence
Well said.
So the Tories would "regret" electing Badenoch would they? This made me chuckle. It's like saying they'd regret electing Jack the Ripper. True but kind of understated.
But there's so much opf this atm. Look at Trump/Harris. It's like Batman vs the Joker. Batman is staid and establishment (albeit vigilante) but you can't look at the Joker and talk about his redeeming qualities and good points. He's just a cardboard villain.
Why’s Kemi so bad in your view?
People who aren't Tories (I'm no Tory myself) shouldn't get too smug though, just look at Labour and the Lib Dems records of electing party leaders. The former ended up in 2015 with Corbyn as leader, despite being warned by many he would never be PM, he went on to lose 2 General Elections, the second one leaving Labour will only 202 MPs, its lowest number since 1935. The even more incompetent Jo Swinson called for an early General Election in 2019, then went on to lose her own seat and the Lib Dems barely making it to double figures of MPs.
If Kemi Badenoch is as bright as Marr claims, it makes it even more embarrassing that she holds the views she does.
She's unconscionable and with loads of hubris?
As Quentin Crisp once said, "Intelligence is powerless to modify character"
I’m really not sure she is as bright as is generally thought.
@@buzzukfiftythreeher technique is to belittle and patronise. That puts people's backs up.
Not embarrassing, contemptible. It means she knows exactly what she's doing any she's playing it up to appeal to some of the worst instincts of people.
I can see why conservatives like her as a firebrand on cultural issues. She was sometimes formidable in The House of Commons. But yeah, I can’t really see her as a unifying leader.
I think her desperately trying to stoke up a culture war appealed only to a very small portion of the electorate. The conservatives would be mad to elect her leader and her politics would only serve to create more division in the country. The alternatives don’t look much better though frankly.
Not only formidable but economic with the actualité.
She was indeed formidably dim, though not held back by any deluded confidence. Ignorant and stupid people are often highly confident, because accepting their real level of competence and knowledge would be too devastating to bear.
Don’t need a unifying leader we need a strong focused leader to dump the neo-liberals out of the HoC party.
No more one nation tories , please 🙏
I will never vote for her. EVER
UnCleverly but DIM. lol🥴
I don't think Marr is very good as a pundit. Suggesting that the nice guy is a better bet for the Tory leadership is not very astute. Mel Stride is now in the past and there's little prospect of Cleverly coming through as the unity candidate. Marr has been wrong so many times in the past.
The Tories rarely select the leader that the pundits predict. Also leaving the final decision to the Party membership is an accident waiting to happen. The last two times they chose the Party leader (and, de facto, the PM) they ended up with Johnson and Truss. We might well discover the MPs' choice of leader and the Party members' choice aren't the same. A bit like what happened to Labour in 2015, when Corbyn scraped on to the ballot paper for Labour leadership by just two votes, out of around 230 MPs, but won the vote of the Party membership with 60% of the votes. And look how well that turned out for Labour, who ended up out of power for 9 years, losing two General Elections in the process.
@@paultaylor7082 It’s tricky if you’re a political party. What are you going to give your members in return for membership dues if you take away their right to vote in leadership elections? Half a century ago the Tories had a membership of over half a million so they could finance their operations largely from membership dues. These days with far fewer members they have to rely on dodgy Russian oligarchs and racist-spouting rich guys like Hester. Labour’s electoral college might be rather better than the crazy Tory membership system, but it’s not really perfect either. And though the public might howl at the idea, having state funding of all political parties dependent on electoral performance and doing away with all individual and corporate sponsorship above, say, £50 would tackle the problem of sleaze which we now have.
Pick her and lets see the total demise of the Tory party once and for all!
Tories are finished
Why, because she's bright, self-assured and articulate. Just like her shadow Angel Rayner 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It seems there is a curated opposition of Kemi Badenoch. I like her
I will rejoin the party if she becomes leader. Not a fan of any of the other candidates but hope to be proved wrong if one of the others win.
Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke.
Raised in the USA and Nigeria.
Well said .
She has no business leading the uk.
What's Nikki Haley's real name?
Non transparent and tends to hide behind her black skin?
Funny how USA born Boris was qualified, don’t waste a response.
So a bit like Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson? Starting to see a trend here
lol they will regret nothing lol
Andrew Marr showing an amazing amount of sexism in relation to Badenoch. I’m surprised he didn’t just call her shrill. I have never voted Tory and was a Labour member for most of my adult life but the most impressive Tory politician since Thatcher is Kemi. If the Tories want to take votes from Reform she’s their only serious choice.
Are people not allowed to call a woman shrill without it being sexist?
The sorts of people who get to vote to pick the new leader don't do 'regret'.
It doesn't matter how obvious it is to rational people that something is a mistake, how much warning others give - anything that goes wrong or doesn't turn out well is, always, the fault of other people.
Beyond near enough all else, this is the modus operandi of those who have dominated politics in countries like the UK and US in recent years.
Someone is always to blame. The solution is always to blame.
It's brain blendingly pathetic but, in most cases, these people are far beyond help.
Also I do not want who Dougie Smith chooses. Is Dougie Smith still there choosing who should be Leader?
Ambitious blur 😂
Sweet, little Tom H represents the old order of Maggie, bless him. Whoever gets to be leader now will never be the person fighting Labour in the next election. They'll change so many times. Why not wait to chat about Conservtive leaders for 4 years..please? More interestinng things to discuss now!
Pathetic really, rather than the strong leader it seems a "popular" get along to go along is better - seems like reform is a shooo in
Just a thought - If the tories thought Truss would be a great PM and got that so wrong isn't it also true that the tories who thought Corbyn would have been a disaster might well have been wrong about that.
I'm not surprised Patel has gone. She's tarred with same brush as Braverman, just a little less abraisive. Only a little less. Badenoch is both abrasive and easily offended. She's very right wing and would drag the Tories to the right.
and Kemi Badenoch is a bit like that teacher from that BBC programme called Tough Young Teachers on BBC Three years ago what do you think
Patel who had secret meetings with foreign governments. Good riddance.
Marr and all here are remainer far lefties.
If bad Enoch does not want to be offended she should not look in the mirror. That's assuming she has a reflection.
None of them will be PM so why run now
Corruption. Shadow PM gives you lost of access and benefits.
Stride has now gone, and despite being "the man to watch" Cleverly has stood still. He is running on likeability, but its hard to see what his purpose is beyond being a continuity Sunak candidate. To pick him would be to wait for Labour to hand power back, and hope Reform somehow self destruct. Tugenhat seems to me to be essentially focused on security and foreign policy, laudable but hardly the way to win people over. If MPs are sensible they will give their members a choice between Jenrick and Badenoch, then the decision will not be about factions but about who will be best able to oppose and fight the next election. It could go either way, Badenoch is the more instictive, but Jenrick is a very effective and hard working machine politician. As for the feelings of MPs, well this isnt Sunak vs Truss, they dont have a firm favourite and if Badenoch won, if the poll numbers were rising they wouldnt be worrying about her rudeness. As for the public, well she is no more brittle than Starmer, and she does have a sense of humour.
Whoever they choose they will be out of power for a decade. They are far too factional and far too slavish to the extreme right-wing, Tufton Street think tank, Trussonomics.
Don't underestimate the stupidity and short-term memory of the electorate.
"Tufton Stree" FFS get your head out of the Byline Times' weird conspiracy crap 🙄
Well, by now, Mel Stride has bit the dust also. All that plotting for 2 years as leader and he's ending up with Sweet FA. Also the last thing the Tories seem to do is elect a likeable leader, it's not what they do. Time over the next month and more for more Blue on Blue action. Can't wait. Badenoch has too thin a skin to be a Party leader, she can't stand any criticism, which as Party leader, comes as part of the job desecription. Jenrick for me, he's in the lead and well on the way to getting the 41 votes needed to make sure he gets to the final ballot of the contest, the one decided by the Party membership.
And me from an amusement position. He should elect Badenoch to a Senior Shadow though. There are the Winter months to get through now. And as long as they don't elect anyone half competent before 2027-9 that'll be great.
Anyone that was a part of rishi sunaks government has no chance
Good podcasts!
The Tories have history in making bum decisions. Long may it continue!
Labour have starmer 😂
Westminster bubble or what?
Westminster bubble heads.
I find it surprising that the Tories, who the Left often accuse of racism, would have this person as the top candidate.
Olukemi Adegoke was born on 2 January 1980 in Wimbledon, London and one of three children born to Nigerian Yoruba parents. She spent her childhood living in *Lagos, Nigeria and in the United States* She came to the UK at the age of 16 (1996!) and lived with a friend of her mother's. In her parliamentary maiden speech she stated that she was "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant".
She maybe clever but "....what need have we of sophistry, danced afore us with the mask of Medusa?"
She grew up as a member of a privileged family in the Nigerian elite and this has given her a great sense of entitlement . Nothing of what she has ever said indicates anything more than average intelligence. Most of it betrays a poor grasp of reality and political views that have been outdated since the disaster of Thatcherism. All of it betrays a massive ambition and an almost comical sense of superiority.
Interesting post, I wasn't aware that Bad Enough (sic) spent most of her formative years outside of the UK, despite her being born in the UK. Also her parents were the very sort of 'economic migrants' that she now wants to prevent from coming to live and work in the UK. Talk about pulling the ladder up once you've reached the top of the tree. I now think I'm able to understand exactly why she has this air of entitlement, coupled with a high level of arrogance and a thin skin, unable to take any criticism.
@@hvhvgitaar In many ways, Badenoch seems like a slightly more intelligent version of Liz Lettuce, wouldn't you say? However, the big difference is that Liz is utterly immune to criticism, for the simple reason she is too thick to understand when she's in the wrong, so ignores it. Badenoch, on the other hand, regards any criticism whatever of her as totally unwarranted and will argue the toss, even when she's clearly in the wrong, as she frequently is.
If Marr supports someone, that's the one to avoid at all costs.
Badenoch. Liz Truss in waiting.
Except, importantly, that she will be unable to indulge her fantasies from the opposition benches rather than from No 10.
@@nickwalsh527what fantasies? Be specific. Or is this just fact-free prejudice on your part?
With have Reeves & Starmer setting the benchmark for uselessness - Gold Standard 🤡s
@@zonianfjb Fantasies like announcing an unfunded budget of ill advised tax cuts, for which there was no real call in the country, , (a budget which had not been reviewed by the OBR), and believing that it would be positively received by the capital markets without whose money the country is broke. Or did you miss that bit?
Kemi isn’t really a person. From all accounts she’s a front for a group of rich men who tell her what to say because they wouldn’t get elected.
Is there a politician who isn't ? You could say the same about any of them (including Starmer and especially Farage).
@@theelmonk He wouldn't say that about Starmer or Farage. They're rich white men.
"Tories will regret electing Badenoch" according to the folk who elected Starmer 😅
If Tories ever want to provide an effective opposition and a serious alternative to Labour she is not the person you need though neither are Braverman or Patel they are all disliked by the general public whether or not they end up regretting voting Labour.
I think that there are a couple of decent female politicians but P Mordaunt lost her seat and E McVay appears not to be in the running and that blonde fool they elected (could be BOJO or Truss) put me right off.
McVey isn't known as McVile without good reason. She's an even nastier piece of work than Bad Enough (sic).
They are all rubbish but KB would get the backs of her colleagues up from the get-go. An excellent choice, therefore.
Amusing and I need cheering up tbh.
I am not sure why it matters. They are mostly irrelevant
If Badenoch wins, there'll be another leadership election before 2029. Now is the best time for it to happen. Hope there's still SOME pragmatism left among the membership and they'll work out from the polls that Badenoch may be what they want, but not the country.
Just ignore why Sunak was not accepted by many people, now Badenoch, while anti-migrant feeling is going strong. ??
They have always been a tone deaf party when it comes to hearing the public.
It’s not anywhere near as prevalent as you think
He was accepted by the party, because he's rich. Didn't cut any ice with the voters.
Includind Sunak is much much better....Don't you think?
4 years from now, general public:
Kemi who?
Then again the same can be said for ALL of the Tory leadership hopefuls right now.
And in 4 years time, who of them will even be in the party?
One thing is for sure, whichever candidate ends up in the top Tory job, they won't hold it for long.
The party isn't done yet with its self destruction.
Vote reform
Priti Who? And Mel who? And that's only a few days ago, gone but already forgotten.
The rise of the smaller Parties is a definite and a `must`.
And yet they might just do it anyway.
Tories need something new. Jenrick might be 'clubbable' but he will not play well with the actual public. Its all a bit pointless. Talk about Streeting receiving $200,000 donation from the Ceo of and American Health Insurance Company. How safe is the NHS? Not very, I should think.
What an oddball Marr is....eww
Kemi wants to fight everyone!
Badenoch is just not appealing. She isn't scorchingly clever at all, she seems a bit dim, trying to be a staunch figure but she is not leader material.
I mean, by all means elect her, keep Starmer in office longer lol
Jenrick will be forever the guy who painted over Mickey & Minnie.
And gave a mate planning permission for cash (for the Cons).
Is there a 'Labour for Kemi' group like the Tories did for Corbyn?
Alan Ducan's interview was excoriating and to the point. None of the Tory leadership pygmies have a clue nor the gravitas to lead the party back to being a heavyweight. I disagree with Marr's assessment that it's too early to make this argument, Alan Duncan's well-connected in the Tory party, and can probably see for himself the limit of their capabilities. Besides this, no one it would seem, in the Tory party wants to have an honest debate as to why they only have 121 MPs now, their lowest ever. Until that happens they will remain broke and insignificant! 😄😄😄
It occurred to me that if the Tories had used this form of election in 1940, Churchill would have been eliminated first and we would have ended up with someone like Sir Kingsley Wood.
Steve Baker maverick? I can think of lots of words to describe Steve Baker
A chance to reset a failed party's relationship with the public? Nope!
Agree with Matt bad kemi would be the final nail in the coffin
Labour would 'regret' the election of Kemi Badenoch to Conservative Party leader....
Not likely.
She’d be like their equivalent of Corbyn, appeals to the base but not the country
@@Oliver-fu1gowell no Corbyn is an anti-Semitic Communist. What views or ideology does Badenoch hold that's even on the same level of extremity as those things?
@@zonianfjb Except he isn't. That has long been seen as a setup and now we're all learning that Israel doesn't deserve a free hand. The problem with Badenoch is that she's one-sided. She knows how to fight but not how to win. Like most political personalities who put themselves ahead of their country.
@@zonianfjbcorbyn was not anti sementic Al he wanted was for to be able to critise the far right isreali goverment.the tory media were terrified that he might get into power and make their overseas bosses pay tax and the labour friends of isreal preferred to have a corrupt incompetent goverment than for anyone critise the isreally government.as for being communist that is the description the torys give to anyone left of the Austrian painter.
What! Andrew Marr not praising Kemi Badenoch. Finding colleagues who criticise her manner. All based on hearsay. Not sure whether he made the same investigative journalism for Starmer. I reckon the opposition are afraid of her, a strong, clever and capable woman.
Marr I love the way you speak. A rare erudite in today's verbal diarrhoea. I wish to speak like you and speak like you, I will.
Clevely as leader would be another wet “Sunak Mark 2”🤦♂️
Mel Stride seems a good choice for them.
Gone already, falling at the second fence. Bye, bye Mel, a fat lot of good those 2 years planning to be Tory leader did you.
Keeping men out of women's spaces is a right wing issue now is it?
If they want Labour out they should not move to far to the right as they will then be in a fight for the right with Reform and I suspect it’s easier to nick labour votes than it is reform come the next election, especially if Labour has self imploded
I don't think so. Labour's vote barely changed last election, it was collapse of the tory vote that did for them. A few % went to reform but I think the majority just didn't vote.
So what they need to do is get their voters back. They're not going to do that by chasing Reform though - they already did that and it failed pathetically. When they move right, they lose centrist votes far faster then they gain rightish ones.
It looks very unlikely that Starmer will win a second term so whoever the Tories choose will rightly or wrongly, sadly or happily, be the next PM
If starmer looks unlikely to win (which if he continues with reeves tory fiscal rules is a definite possibility)he should legislate while he can for pr if only to keep the torys out for good.
@@JohnPark-xf2gq I would still vote for him over the tories, holding my nose as I did for Blair. But tbh it's far too early to guess at his results. It's what, 6 weeks ? Yes, it's easy to think you spot a trend but far too early to be right.
Far too much speculation and gaslighting here and everywhere. Fortunately, nobody's asking yet.
Responsible for a horrible unnecessary diatribe against Raynor in the Commons! Such anguished jealous rage about nothing?
She didn't act very professional. Wouldn't like her in charge we'll have another dislikeable in. MP's need not to attack people personally. Very childish.
Er yeah she is a Tory. Unjustified anguish & rage is a qualification for the job.
Really ?All kemi was pointing out to the deputy leader of the Labour Party is that government is difficult and ms Rayner will have to do a lot better than her opposition default position of throwing out random insults ,when robust Parliamentary debate reveals her complete lack of any evidence of any intelligence .
The sad truth being that ms Rayner ,although cunning ,is as thick as mince and her boss ,the state prosecutor, will get shot of her at the very first opportunity .
Really ?All kemi was pointing out to the deputy leader of the Labour Party is that government is difficult and ms Rayner will have to do a lot better than her opposition default position of throwing out random insults ,when robust Parliamentary debate reveals her complete lack of any evidence of any intelligence .
The sad truth being that ms Rayner ,although cunning ,is as thick as mince and her boss ,the state prosecutor, will get shot of her at the very first opportunity .
For the love of all that is good and lovely please do not start using the term LOTO 🤮
So Jimmi Dimmly is favourite!?
i reckon he'll make the final three, and could well overtake Badenoch in the final ballot of MPs, leaving himself and Jenrick as the two candidates in the final ballot of the Party membership. In the meantime, I intend to enjoy all the Blue on Blue infighting, as the Tories tear themselves apart and remain in opposition for a considerable number of years.
I’ve never been able to regard Marr with the high level of credibility I once did after he said on air that Kamala Harris had never been elected to anything! Helluva factual gaffe that one. It left me wondering what other key facts he’s not gotten right.
I imagine you'd have been even more critical if he's mentioned Willie Browne who gave Harris her start in politics...
He's just a talking head, saying what he thinks will make an impression. No real thought.
But Mel stride was totally awful repeatedly on today programme. he was a whipping boy. But given the tories a bit of S&M probably goes a long way as long as its in the closet
Another local election cycle will be necessary to get tories to rock bottom, winnow down the grifters, ship the loonies off to refUK then maybe get a few decent and morally sound people in that will help clear the stench filled, decaying necrosis that has afflicted the party
I think it will take longer. The last few years have been pretty heavily weeding out the moral ones, either from above (sackings) or below (resignations). How lonmg to grow some more, and actually attract them to the party ? Who, with a realistic moral compass, would join them now ? The candidates discussed in this video are just the same old sleaze and extremism. Nobody to look up to.
@@theelmonk Agreed. The problem is the few new Tory MPs who got elected on July 4 are, in the main, right wingers, and it's likely their next leader will be right wing as well. This does not bode well for the Tories' electoral chances over the next decade and more.
Cleverly is an establishment insider that does what he's told. Bit like Andrew Marr. A hollow parrot.
I’m already regretting voting Labour!
Marr is reporting someone else's view.
We hope!
It's difficult to have an opinion on this. The Tories are well beaten and might never be back in power.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 Yeah, at least a couple of parliaments. And given the tory's inability to improve their selection, perhaps half a dozen actual 'leaders' in that time.
@@theelmonk it's actually impossible to predict. They could go extinct. They could continue as a LibDem size party. Or they could make a dramatic comeback and be back in power in 5 years.
I wish people could pronounce her name right. Bade enoch needs two es. Bad e (short e) noch. It's bad enough to have to hear her let alone to constantly have to correct her name.
Lol you're so funny, you should try professional comedy
Badenoch is a charmless oaf
Lol google wants to 'translate to english'. Idk why, it was clear enough to me.
Who cares? Conservatives are the same as Labour these days.
No they aren't, you just don't know anything about politics so think saying "they're all the same" means you don't have to bother learning.
Feel like I've hit the midwit jackpot with this video and its comments section
both of them are rubbish
What Tory isn't?
Sentient Tories (if they even exist) would regret electing any of the dross currently putting themselves forward as leader. They have all already proved that cleaning a public lavatory would be way beyond their competence.