Everything Still WRONG With MapleStory
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- I wish some of these things could be implemented in the game to improve overall enjoyment.
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Sandbox Mode 00:00 - 04:13
Meso Drop Gear 04:13 - 07:40
Perm Hyper Burn 07:40 - 09:17
Vac Pet 09:17 - 11:27
Better CS 11:27 - 14:57
Hyper Rocks 14:57 - 15:43
Expiring Items 15:43 - 18:48
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if vac pets where perm and like £50 id buy one for each faction 100%
As a new player, i think the only things that bothers me is the price of a vac pet and price of the nx in general. So, i'm from Brazil, 100 dollars for a vac pet is something like 500 BR$ and it's A LOT here, i wouldn't buy it even if it was 50 dollars, to do some comparation, i bought elden ring for 150 BR$ so yeah, no vac pet for me. The rest of your criticism feel more like something an veteran player would complain about, newer players like most of the features of the game, what makes then quit is the transition of the playstyle from before lvl200 and after lvl200. I almost quite after reaching lvl 210 on multiple characters, the game is so much different after you reach arcane river compared to what it is before you reach it and the game doesn't prepare you at all for this sudden transition. Pre-arcane river you explore, do quests know more about the world and you get rewards for it, after you reach arcane river, all this exploration just become pointless, with the new legion artifact system, we get some incentive to explore more the world even after reaching lvl 200, but it isn't the same
HAha and I'm over here about to break the family's raining day fund jar, with the only complaint being that they release them sooner than later
@@mrutherford1994 i would be considered a whale in this mushroom game if we had local prices. I spend a lot of money on league of legends and definitly would spent hundreds or even thousands of br$ if local prices are a thing. But i don't think a vac pet is worth 3 and 1/3 elden rings lol
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@@franciscom.bodinho2219 preços locais provavelmente nunca vão existir simplesmente pelo fato de que o maple quebra umas 50 leis do código do consumidor, então é praticamente impossível eles trabalharem legalmente aqui
@@Linkinbr eu me liguei nisso quando abri o cash shop e vi as loot boxes KKKKKKKKK
That 15 bucks for 1 month is crazy
I used to pay $15 a month to play World of Warcraft, if that makes you feel better.
Instead of hiring US based devs, nexon needs to prioritize a US based monetization team. It’s clear every idea is coming straight from Korea which poses natural clashes with East vs west spending styles.
My friend and I started fresh at the same time. He was a new player, but I was a returning player, so I knew what I was doing.
By the time I had my 2k legion set up and my main character reached 6th job, he was still at level 150 and didn't know what he was doing.
He thought he had to finish every quest in the game and didn't know that you should spam potions, so he was trying to save mana while farming, etc.
I tried to help him, but he insisted that he wanted to explore the game all by himself, so guess what, he quit 🤣
I tried to get my girlfriend into Maple.
She was going to main Bishop too (just 'cause it looked really cool).
Then, she tried to solo Chaos Zakum and was totally put off on how badly designed and unfun it was.
I don't/won't recomend MS to anyone until they get rid of NX/event items expiring
I can see a once per account "permanent" hyper burn that is always available and has special rewards that specifically is there to help out new players that is completely separate to event hyper burns and if there is an event hyper burn currently taking place then the event hyper burn will take priority to being consumed over the once per account special hyper burn.
I wanna be able to customize my UI more
For this dreamer update, I invited a friend to try out the game since its the most rewarding it could be for new player. He was completely new to the MMO genre in general and especially Maplestory (Since he never even heard about it before), throughout the process of him playing I realized how unfriendly Maplestory is to a new player.
Even though Tera Blink did a great job of pushing him to 200, it doesn't left any remarks of any of the game mechanics that it introduced for my friend. In addition, he was not able to recognize one of the most important main gaming loop for maplestory (leveling legion and making links) by himself so the only thing that he does everyday is to hop on do arcane daily, fight RA bosses (daily ones), do monster park and some minigame event then log off (the thing that I told him to do, not the game told him about them). The game fell into a stalemate after level 200 and does not give him any further instruction or give any effort dragging him closer to the main gaming loop.
On top of that, the questing system in Maplestory is outdated. The quest can easily be skipped by just holding down one button so why would the quest tab so hard to navigate and to understand? Some of the quest description is just like "A did something bad and it might cause some problem" without showing a navigation arrow or any instruction in the description of the quest that show the player what they should do, how could a new player know where to go and which NPC to talk to if they never finished the quest before?
Still on topic of questing, the newer quest (Arcane River, New Character story onwards) did fix some of the old problem by giving more instruction but they have the problem of not being consistent, sometime and somewhere in the middle of the questline, after my friend finished the quest it just cuts off, at least it should've give some direction toward where and who to talk to in order to accept the next quest in the questline (The most evident part is in vanishing journey questline, after our playable character fell down from those phoenix birds).
Going into the detail of game mechanic, Maplestory has the same problem as every old-aged MMO has that is ton and ton of functions and game mechanic on top of each another. The problem that my friend is facing right now is "what I should do next", he didn't know about maple guide (Its undoubtable that Maple Guide is extremely helpful but the game does not give it much exposure to the player) so he can only do four RA bosses that was unlocked though the prequest that I show him. He didnt know which quest to unlock which boss nor where to accept them. In addition, the 5th job Matrix was extremely unfriendly alongside with the arcane symbol system, last time I checked he has like over 450 vanishing journey symbols just sitting in his use tab that he didn't use to increase his Arcane Power to help him training.
Other than that, there are billions of other problem that were not as stand out as the mentioned problems above; I completely agrees with Duky for making a tutorial world to familiarize a new player to the game or to just rework the whole New Player Experience (or in this case: "create"; since Maplestory is astoundingly lacks of a proper tutorial).
TL;DR: The questing system sucks, game doesn't give any effort showing new players the main game loop and a severe lack of tutorials.
I'm surprised there is no mention of starforce progression or a pitched pity system, do you think both of these are good/fair and shouldn't be changed?
both are good/fair and shouldn't be changed.
i like it
sf is my biggest complaint it is not fun at all its literally only fun for people that like gambling and or are stockholm pilled hard enough to like getting abused by sf like its actually just like a abusive relationship
@@Gamekrayz I'm sorry but starforcing my gear at lvl 150 costing millions on mesos the game simply doesn't give you feels absolutely fucking awful. Completely disagree as a new player myself like I should be able to upgrade my gear while lvling to a reasonable level to do starforce training maps.
@@Gamekrayz If spending 30b to boom your item 4-5 times in a row sounds like a good way to play the game idk man. You have limited time on this planet and you're spending it on a sh*t mechanic called starforce in a 20yo game. This game punishes your hard work and the time you spend on it by reversing your time-gated progression. It's gambling with your precious time in real life for a Korean version nft lmao.
Ive got friends who quit before making it out of early game. And finally have some friends pushing through to mid game and theyre loving it. Theyre making money, fighting harder bosses, and slowly getting legion. Theyre enjoying it now.
Its always when people are either hitting that first wall of CRA (vellum specifically) and not having enough meso to make proper gains, getting shafted by the usual rng of maple, they quit. But they also pick classes they dont enjoy or arent good without funding. Its tough man. And hell ive been there. I heavily agree with the Sand box server you mentioned and a starting increase to rates and a hyper burn. It truly would help people make it outta the early game.
Oh, and mvp shouldnt be so fucking expensive to tier up and the rewards should be buffed ty.
Oh. And the fomo of items expiring is fucking dumb.
the game is already amazing as it is now but if these suggestions actually go through, this game would be EPIC
I wish more content creators made a video like this. Everything you said is spot on. Thank you for making an amazing video!
Here are my complaints:
1. Bosses take way too long. Before I had just one main and just killed one set of weekly bosses, it wasn't as bad, but now that I branched out to five other mules/mains, with everything else I have to do, the bosses are tiring but a must-do because that's why I made mules in the first place. I honestly don't know how to solve this. Also, I noticed that the boss reward points cannot be gained again within the same day if you beat it with a different character. That's dumb and they should fix it.
2. Skip button. Nuff said.
3. I think now that they introduced the entirety of Eternal set gears, I feel like they should bridge the gap between Absolab and Arcane sets. Transfer Hammer exists. At least let us use it on old items.
4. Rework GMS exclusive classes. I don't know what's going on in JMS, but I think they said GMS is a different kind of thing from other servers.
5. Remove Damage Reflectors/ignorers from the game. I honestly can't think of more lazy ass boss pattern in the entire history of gaming. Why the hell does Akechi Mitsuhide have this pattern?
6. I wish they'd have a better tutorial for the game than the beginning of the game. I saw this youtuber try out Maplestory and was confused as hell what to do and eventually just gave it a zero rating, which is quite a shame.
7. High mountain sucks. I don't know what KMS was thinking. It takes too long and thank god almighty that it didn't replace Ursus. Get rid of the MP system in it. Just make it infinite. NOW everyone can play it, like it's intended to (yes that's what the director said, and yes, you can play it but I tried playing with character that doesn't deal enough dmg. It take 40 min to 1 hr. No.)
8. Can they give us a better GMS exclusive version of rework of Aran and Shade? Oh I wish.
9. Can you have a separate merchant who sells the Trait boost potion permanently in Heroic servers? It's kinda annoying honestly.
10. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ORCHID MEDAL FOR TWO WEEKS AND HAVE BEEN CUT OFF TWICE BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE. CAN YOU DO MAINTENANCE SOME OTHER TIME PERIOD???????? (Like I srsly have an alarm for this but couldn't bc of maintenance.)
11. I honestly think it's a viable strategy to just give out Vac pets. Just make them pay the bill. It's $14 a month. Within seven months they're getting their money back. If they have to keep it that way that is.
12. The pets, they made the water of life unlimited in the reward shop so whatever, but why are outfits not permanent? I honestly thought they'd fix it by now when I came back. But NOPE, if I wanted to have a Zakum arms behind me, it'll only last for 90 days. WHY.
I returned to MapleStory a month ago after not playing for 15 years. This is what I would change;
1. Being able to skip the Story, but keep the Maple. Seriously, why do I have to sit through and spam "interact" on all these story missions I've already seen? Fighting Gloom and the story you're forced to sit through every time is so boring I was contemplating quitting right there. You need to be able to skip through the dialogue on missions after you've seen them once.
2. The Cash Shop being separated by the factions is stupid and very greedy. It's an integrity issue with this one, serves no purpose but to gouge the player base.
3. More UI customization. It's very outdated to have your skills locked to being displayed in the top right corner. Let me put them where I want them like Final Fantasy XIV.
4. Adding the NumPad on keyboard for Key Bindings. Having that extra space for buffs would be so beneficial to a lot of classes that have a mess of abilities across the keyboard.
5. The odds of enchantments and cubes needs to go up. Honestly, is Nexon just trying to piss me off with how pathetic the odds are for me to increase the grade of my items?
So I had 2 major roadblocks when getting back into MS. Lvl160-200 and CRA. LVL150-200 is so boring. It's just grinding, and at the same maps notebooks and stonemasks. Even now that I play a lot more, I bonk pot through this and don't grind. Put a theme dungeon here or something. Hell, turn aftlands into a theme dungeon so we can do that while leveling.
CRA is another problem. I noticed people forget how hard it is to do CRA without legion or links. I was comparing my CP to my friend who has 6k legion on their fresh hyperburns. With only the temp fafnir and no boss accessories, they had double the cp of my main that had 12* pensilr, the full boss set and a sweetwater weapon. Somethings wrong when the true strat of this is to get a carry. New players aren't going to think of this, plus there is little incentive to carry people outside of pure good will. Either make it easier or give out way for temp fafnirs.
1. In KMS the director recently (Milestone update presentation stream, if you want to look it up) said they're doing a main story questline to not only streamline the lv1-200 experience, but also make it faster by adding huge quest exp rewards while also letting the player better know the lore of the game, and if he fully follows through with this promise then it has a lot of potential to make leveling 150 to 200 much better than it currently is, which I do agree is a huge pain point, ESPECIALLY on classes you find out early that you hate, in my case being extremely high skill/APM classes like Cadena and Blaster that simply don't offer even near enough payout for the amount of effort and time you have to invest to properly learn the class, which becomes even worse when all you want those classes for is their Link and Legion effects (damn Blaster and his unfortunately amazing legion block effect... )
Mercedes as well but to a lesser extent, as like many others I didn't enjoy the class but only because I didn't want to learn the combos, which tbf ik are easier than Cadena or Blaster, but still far harder than most classes.
2. Combat Power is a failed concept to evaluate a player's ability to do damage. There was a popular player, I forget the region, that beat 4-door CRA with literally zero CP. Before CP was introduced players would use their main stat + IED (Ignore Enemy Defense) as the best way to evaluate their bossing capability, with Damage Range also being inaccurate as it fluctuates heavily per class. Main stat + IED still is the best way due to the unfortunate way CP works, not taking account way too many dmg sources to be viable.
i got my meso/drop gear at like 260+ because before that it feels terrible inefficient and wasteful to train outside of dailies before i hit this level. i didnt see the value/need for meso/drop gear until i got to where I am at because of the vast amounts of meso, xp, and 6th job fragments i need to get stronger. i love how strong and free the dailies for maplestory is
Going into this video I didn’t think I would agree with that much. After watching it I’m suprised on how well you hit the nail on the head with the issues. You mentioned quite literally my two biggest frustrations with the game. I HATE that stuff can expire. It’s crazy how much stress it adds every event where I’m micro managing when I claim rewards so that I can make sure I actually am gonna be able to use them. I also hate expirations when it comes to real money items. No cosmetics that are paid for with real money should just be able to straight up expire or make you front a cost to keep using them later down the line. There’s also the struggle of having to decide in the moment which character you want to claim event cosmetics on instead of being able to just claim them whenever you unlock them and then transfer them when you have a character outfit idea. The game would be legit so much less stressful and I would spend so much more if those two things got changed. Even right now I’m stuck deciding which characters I want all my damage skin rewards on and who I want to claim the pets on when really the game should just let you store the coupons/item permanently until you have someone/something you want to use it on. This video is good.
Honestly THE number 1 stupidest thing in the game are rewards being limited to once per character.. The fact that this game punishes me for wanting to play the game MORE and do arcane/mp/sacred dailies on more than one character is insane to me.
This is a very good point.
I love maplestory and have played on/off since 2009. I find that other MMOs like WoW respect my time and all those reasons you listed make this game feel like a chore which makes me so reluctant to try maple again even if I do want to play
About to go into that quest in which you can send a message to the devs and just link this video lmao
Instead of granting hyperburns for free, I always felt that providing alternative leveling sources for early game would be better. For instance: The forgotten PQs should be reworked to provide tradeable (account only) EXP tickets instead of EXP rewards that can only be used by sub-200 players. Additionally, the Party Quest Set effects should be reworked entirely to give you cumulative meso and drop effects instead of just damage and party quest EXP boosts. That way you get an easier time leveling for new players that doesn't overtake powerleveling for those with higher Legion, a good foundation with meso and drop gear once new players reach level 200 that doesn't make them overpowered, and most importantly: an opportunity for new Maplestory players to interact with people early on and possibly make friends again.
If there's one complaint I hear all the time about Maplestory, it'd be how lonely things feel when you start out.
Gacha system are just cash money making machine for companies so it is unlikely to change even for a half-dead game like maple. I would never spend even if there is pity, that is too much of a whale option which supports their current game and hence can't change. I only want to PAY for what I want to GET.
Another point in this video was FOMO or time limited event which predates on player psychology. But in exchange it makes new player not feel like playing the game cause they already 'missed out'. I just joined GMS because I was asked to give it a try and I realised how little time I have left for the current event since I joined so late and all my 150 gears and going to expire soon. Except for a inflated level, I have nothing else to show for and hence once the item expires, I would probably be unable to do the content and thus leave the game. I agree that seasonal events are great but it should not severely impact the gameplay or gatekeep players.
PS: for those for are telling me to do legion/link skills, I am playing because I like that class and has already committed time to it, I am not interested to spend whatever hours and would rather just play a better game. The system should give a much smaller buff for building up other classes as players should be trying other classes for their own curiosity/initiate rather than being be forced to do something.
100% agree with every bullet point that you touched on in the vid. One of the biggest deterrents for my friends moving from reg server or just playing Maple in general has been how grindy it is. I started Hyperion with my brother and he eventually quit because he felt like it was too grindy and he didn't want to commit the time with how little reward there was in starting out. Hopefully Nexon pays close attention to this video and other videos and reflects on things they can do to improve the game for newer players
I 100% agree with all these things. I started during Ignition and no lifed the game because the new player experience, during major updates, is so good for a few characters. (Depending on the hyper/teras and featured class/revamp.) I even grinded out my legion to 6k after a bit into the off season. After that though, the Maplestory wall hits you...and it hits you so fucking hard.
The lack of in game direction or explanation is one thing. If you don't do a ton of research or have friends that play you are cooked. The dailies are absolutely vital but took a disgusting amount of time and commitment. They're a bit better now but still too long if you want to do everything. You feel punished if you don't wait for cube and sf events, so you have weeks or months at a time that feel like you simply don't improve at all. The quick and fun part of legion dies so the side characters hit the same issue. Vac pets seem to only happen in the off season so you're paying a ton of money in the least incentivized times to grind. It really just feels like everything they do was planned for a mobile game disguised as an mmorpg...
I've attempted to get my friends into maplestory. All good buddies of mine who I play copious of other games with such as League, Valorant, Card Games and etc. They would enjoy like the first 20-30 minutes of the maplestory because the design is not harsh to the eye and the gameplay was simple enough to maneuvar around. The problems that came up were mostly being lost into the next step of progression and sometimes certain storyline quest don't even lead you to your next location so they get stuck and have to contact me on how to progress. ATM, my friends are waiting for when maplestory becomes alot easier for new players to navigate to level 200.
i kinda understand the expiration design because it encourages actually using the items to power up instead of massively hoarding. they dont want the optimal way to play the game be hoarding months of resources for one power spike every few months , especially when new players might feel incentivized to save their early game power spikes for late game gains and screw themselves
The vac pet being with this event's hyper burn is such a bait. It's definitely going to be an adjustment going back to the regular pets after this one expires.
The thing I would definitely change is the boom equips. Sf a pitched set and lost it for boom is a game breaking, especially with the time it takes to get even 1 pitched item. Pity system would be welcomed imo
Completely agree with all of your point. When I started back playing Maple recently and I was initially skeptical about playing the game again , knowing what I know now that it's a game made by the company that basically started to gacha system in the west. Yet, I was impressed at how far it has come since the old days but now getting more adequated with the system, I see nexon hasn't skipped a beat, and unlike in the old days lot of the nefariousness of the design implementations go unnoticed to the average player. That being said I'm on right now grinding frags, waiting for a vac pet so . . .
you're so right lol. There should be set rates. I'm too lazy to make dropgear/meso gear when im just dailying.
Suprised the legion/link system wasnt brought up more, for me it was my little brother trying to get into the game. He liked Mercedes so he started with one and hyper'd it. As soon as it got to the point where pets made farming substantially easier he quit. Playing a squishy class on 0 legion/links is just dogshit. People cant even play the class they want when they first get into the game until they put 10+ hours into playing classes they dont give a shit about for the link skills. Wretched design imho.
i hated links and legion too but if you raw dog your main it only starts feeling like shit if you try to prog cra, and by then you prob have enough bonks and burns to get a couple of links going. im almost 2 months in and gowest gave me over 2k legion which already feels pretty significant
@Jaynesslessly I'm at 7k legion, doesn't make the system less shit. No one wants to get into a mmorpg and be told, "There's 20 hours of grinding if you want the class you ACTUALLY WANT TO PLAY to even feel good." That is dogshit design no argument to be made.
I'm from Brasil, here the minimum wage is 1412 reais, the vac pet cost almost 550 reais + the monthly fee of 75 reais, it's insanity to buy it, if at least was permanent I would already have bought it, as for the boxes I 100% agree with you
Things expiring is 100% my biggest issue with this game. Maplestory honestly might be one of my favorite games EVER if not for that, but because of the extreme FOMO in the game...I can only play seasonally. ;
A beginner's NX bundle would be amazing, there's like nothing worth it in the cash shop in heroic, but I'd love to spend some money to get me started as a new player.
Maplestory is a game i would never recommend for newplayers maybe for older players but never for new players simply because their just sooo much learning curve you have to learn and it can be very overwhelming for newplayers
GOD YES THANK YOU! WE NEED A CLASS TEST FUNCTION. Other games have that so that they won't regret their decision of maining a class that they dont like after playing it for quite some time when they could've picked a different one.
The game doesn't encourage new players to join, that's a fact for me. I'm sure the main target audience for seasonal events with hyper burning + zero to hundred + food storage is mainly new players (and old players who hate farming legion or who never got to the mid game), but really starting to play outside of these patches The experience is very horrible. I've already tried to get several friends to play, but none of them were successful, and in fact, this game lives much more from the nostalgia of those who played it as children than from new players.
About twelve years ago, my best friend tried to play the game and simply gave up because he didn't find it fun. What he wanted most was to explore the world, do quests, learn the history and everything else. But the reward for doing these things is rotten, an infinity of old quests with no context anymore... Then looking directly "what's there to do that will entertain me in the future?" and you look and see nothing, just a purposeless farming simulator, an MMO that has existed for decades, and the story progresses so slowly, they no longer give you space to explore secondary stories, while the main story gets forward one time per year, and if there is. He must have gotten close to lv170 with some mules at 70 and that's it.
About five years ago I tried to get my boyfriend to play too, and he absolutely hated the game. Not because it didn't look cool or fun, but because of how old-fashioned the game was, the systems, unfixed bugs, bad choices by Nexon, the way of monetization... To also look ahead and see that the late game wasn't fun. . He didn't even get to the 4th job to even try, let alone the 5th job, because he didn't even want to give it a chance due to so many barriers from the beginning.
And almost everyone else I've invited is exactly the same. An infinite grinding game nowadays, no one has the time or the energy for that anymore, that style of game is gone, for example I play a lot for nostalgia, but I'm much more of a dailystory than ever. It doesn't work anymore. And they don't try to reinvent themselves right. Of course, making the game accessible to casuals works and it's probably their biggest audience, but their monetization shouldn't even be from this gigantic audience that plays precisely because I'd rather take my money and buy a skin on LOL than for cash in this game.
the only cool function a hyper rock has which i like is interesting, if you have a saved map that no longer can be accessible anymore through normal means but is still in the game. the hyper rock will allow you to go to it
some people exchange older maps and show them to other people as a form of historical tours of older parts of maple. i think its interesting. but other then that it doesnt serve much purpose anymore
I've been trying my entire life to get friends to play this game at different points in time, none of them liked playing it.
I would 100% spend money if I could guarantee vac pets and cosmetics I wanted!
The problem I currently relate with is the need of a sandbox. I've played maple super casual in the past then when a friend got me to play for Ignition that's when I started looking at what endgame is all about. I'm one of those people that have a hard time finding what I like to play, and some people can only know if they like a class once they play it and not just from watching a video.
The recent Tera Blink made getting a hyper burn to 200 way faster and less tedious but it's still far from perfect in helping to try stuff out because of the 24 hour character deletion (I assume to protect from accidental deletion and etc) but that wouldn't be a problem if the character was just a trial character. (Why am I like this, i'm still looking for a main to commit to ;_;)
Ya when I returned to maple in 2022 I was shocked that they got rid of choosing anything in the cash shop to rotating stuff in randomized boxes. Although these boxes are perm, i liked being able to choose for 90 day temporary better lol...
I feel like over half of the buffs in the game could just be passives/auras. Gameplay does feel a little clunky on a lot of classes when you are constantly having to reapply buffs. I'd even settle for just allowing macros to use buffs that have a cooldown. Bishop having to reapply 2 tele buffs and magic armor on login, then bless/symbol as well as hyperbody/eyes, then adding like 6 different buffs mid combat is just a LOT to maintain.
Long ass pre-quests, unskippable storyline cutscenes (explorers for example have like 1h of cutscenes until lvl 100), pay for convenience is so unbearable that the game is basically pay to play (and compared to other games, it's a high cost) so many long time-gated content.
Those are some of the reasons that make me not go back to gms and just play private servers with up-to-date-ish content and higher rates instead
Do not search for Eluna Ms on Google. It definitely is not a good private maplestory server
probably the most important ms video of all time
hope nexon will watch this
my biggest problem is starforce it has completely demotivated me i like pushing bosses its what i like its why i pushed mythic raiding in wow i like sitting down for hours just going again and again and again at a boss to finally get that kill but no here the steps are
Grind for 500 years
Tap get 0 gains
Try boss again no progress cause 0 gains
repeat forever
I would be down for the pity system for SSBs. I don't buy them because of the RNG. I have been complaining about the CS inventory for years. I get tired of spending NX to have stuff sit and not being used. It deterred me from spending.
Yeah i’ve been waiting for a vac pet sale for more than 6 months. Didn’t realise i needed one when I just came back to the game now I have no incentive to grind until I get one (lucky we got a free 30 day one right now).
And also i had the same thing with getting a friend to play, he also quit at like 160.
I think all the burns should be perm once you use instead of having a deadline to hit the end of a burn
half the maps wouldnt even exist if we could just teleport everywhere
Semi new player perspective here on all points. For reference, I started mid march. I'm currently 251 on Hayato/Path with 7k legion. TLDR; Add drop rates to sprout badge, give all accounts 1 vac pet perm purchase opp, I'm a skin whale who spends nothing here cause of shit SSBS system and locked storage, fuck the cash shop, fuck expiration especially.
1. I hard agree. At character select, you should get a test room that puts you in a small area like Tera Blink and lets you test at job 6. However, i think that would be detrimental to legion.
2. AGREE! They should either make the New Sprout beginner title thing that gives +starforce and +10% xp, also give equivalent to 5 line Meso/Drop gear. I do think overall, cubing for drop gear feels really bad and should just be flat out removed with just having all rates increased by that amount period.
3. I dont think I agree here unless you could delete and remake inwhich case this would function as a psuedo sandbox mode to try classes.
4. Vac Pet... I'm honestly, not sure how i'm going to play the game once it expires because its such a big quality of life improvement. It's so impactful and so important, I may give up on hayato after burning is over and only play explorers cause they have the biggest cash shop and thus it would be the most value. Picking my roster based on this feels REALLY bad though. There should also be 1 per account available for purchase, with no expiration. I also think you should be able to at the very least be able to pay to transfer it to a different cash shop.
5. Playing into the point above, part of the reason i dont participate in fashion story is because cash shops are locked. I'm someone with 1000+ skins on league, and 500+ variants on Marvel Snap and yet I've only spent maybe $30 here on fashion cause its locked and its random. If they made that "free" 11th box from a stack a selectable, they would get way more out of a player like me.
6. Just agree, i dont understand why we cant and it feels mandatory to spend that 5.2m or whatever whenever im making a new character. feels bad.
7. YUP. I don't understand expiring either. As a new player, from minar picnic and last event, i lost out sol erda frags because i didn't have a 260 (still dont) and they expired. I lost out on cubes/flames i had saved up because family stuff came up and didn't log in for a few days and all expired. From last event, 20 3x coupons expired because I don't have time to farm very often with fulltime job and school and wife/son. This i think is singlehandedly, the WORST part of maple especially when you consider that just about everything requires RNG.
My friend joined and he liked the game but he asked me what to max for 5th job and ect i send him a GOOGLE DOC from the f/p discord 25+ pages he looked at 2 pages and said yeah i cant this is to much stopped at 205
Idk why we're messing around with anything from 1 to 200. Just tweak legion and start everyone at 200 lol
Seriously though, i wish party play wasn't so bad when levelling or doing early bosses. I want to play with my friends without getting hamstrung in terms of exp and loot...
I was waiting for you to touch on the starforce system, that for me is the biggest crap in this game. If any system in Maple has made me consider quitting in the last 15 yrs that's it. My solution is simple, give players the option to choose whether the wanna gamble or not. So for example if I want to get my CRA to 22 and don't wanna gamble let me just pay the amount of meso it takes on average to get to 22* along with sacrificing # of pieces of equipment that typically booms to get 22. That would be so much better and players would still have to farm just as much if not more for meso and spares but this way they would be guaranteed to get progress.
And familiar system is wack, ADD RED CARDS!
277 here, never had a vac pet and would gladly shell out for a perm one, i refuse to buy expiring vac pets, tbh i refuse to spend money on this game regardless. Simple changes and I would gladly spend some extra cash
I dont buy boxes because there is no pity system. I dont roll gacha or philo or any of that because there is no pity system. The lootbox mechanics in this game are severely outdated and many players are not into them anymore. My spending has severely decreased. Today i'm F2P and just buy things I want via auction house in reg server.
The lack of permanent nx items/pets is very irritating. Who in their right mind wants to pay monthly to upkeep all the pets on 10+ mules. I would make more mules, but I dont want to buy more temporary pets for them. I can hardly keep track of my pets and their expiration dates as it is. Oh, and yes, the hyper rock crap is ridiculous. Either remove them or make them last a month. Another thing that is impossible to keep track of when you use multiple characters.
I can't get people to play any MMO anymore. The focus on daily constant play to keep up puts of everyone I've tried. They don't mind playing for the visual or story but tell them they have to log in every day for half an hour or more just to keep up shuts down most people. Weekly makes sense but daily is too much.
I think ingame character switching is the first step towards all of this tho 6 months between QoL like this is a little cringe
If they fixed the rng system i would be satisfied.
I used to spend up to 300 € A MONTH on granblue fantasy. A fricking gacha game. Only because there was a pity system AND i felt like the game was rewarding me to some extent for the money spent. I would ALSO spend a lot on perm NX items if there were any. No way in hell i'm buying anything that expires in 90 days.
Well if something was perm but cost 200$ vs something 90days but costs $5. Then basically it ends up being somewhat negligible in the long run. The break even would be in 10 + years which by then the game could be very different or you wouldn’t even be playing the game anymore.
I have never bought the cosmetics lootboxes but if they had a good pity system I would have spent more money than I care to admit on something like the konosuba event ones. They should be have a smaller pool of items too.
i watched my friend swipe to $200+ get his full dino outfit and ended up missing the shoes. This game NX system preys on bad luck and whales. It should be like Valorant’s system. Where you can buy individual skin pieces for $15-25 each for a gun skin or $75-100 for a bundle for 4 skins and a knife. personally i would almost never buy loot boxes but i would consider it if it copied Valorant.
My friend did his first hyper to 200, then quick when he found out about Arcane Dailies and needed a Teleport rock to get to places. He also didn't know what the path to progression was from new account to mid game income wise, so why bother (REG server).
my friend got into the game with me cause ive been hyping it up with this dreamer update but hes just not enjoying it due to alot of the things you said but also because the legion grind is just so boring to him. he also has no idea who to main and doesnt want to waste a hyperburn on it
I agree with everything you said 👍 good video mate. But the first one will like never happen 😢
The issue with meso and drop gear is rates for items today are now accounting for max drop gear, thus without makes the rates tiny. Like why do i have 300% drop for 3x the drop value and nodes and sol erda drop once every hour, and fragments and symbols, every 2 hours… not if I’m at 0%, am i ever going to get those drop ? The other thing is, why are they capping these rates, there is no reason why my equips can roll over 200% meso in lines but max is 100%
arrow key movement kept all my friends from playing
Yes I don't buy boxes or Royals because they are a scam as they currently are. I have spent 100$ on royal hair before and got every hair style multiple times and didn't get that hair I actually wanted 1 time, After that I said never again till its changed. If there was a pity system that I could 100% get what I wanted after like 5-10 rolls I would nx out all my characters
Everything that have RNG in this game, not only that freak PSSB need to have pity system, for cubing need to have pity system like kms already, I mean for PSSB you don't need to have pity but give us the whole set and increase price a little bit, or even make those set to be able to buyout with nx within that time rotation, there a lot of ways to improve this and get win-win situations.
For those random boxes, I still angry with previous Konosuba collabo, I mean I really love Konosuba but they split everything behind loot boxes, like you wanted full set and you need to roll 3 type of lootboxes to have chance to get "EACH PIECE" , what in the heck who design system like this, I'm ok with paid collabo items but not like this behind this splitting stupid lootboxes, like look I like your game and I love the collabo, and I willing to paid some $ to get it but not like this.
In that Konosuba collabo period, let me speak about philo book, first thing first why the heck they put cosmetic items in the actual in-game functional item pool and not to mention, those pool so outdated I really hope for update like soon as possible, like epic CRA piece, I mean it useful, but its not worth the money spend at all at this date.
and for last one for now I wish they implement QoL about potential reroll, to be able to choose what line I wanted and auto reroll those for me, like i have 3 stacks of mystical cubes and I wanted my item to tier up from rare to epic with my wanted 2L , to save the time and make less mistake.
Edit: and please option to skip those arcane river,grandis story skip in burning world or whatever event world they going to release.
i would kill for permanent pets back, even if they aren’t vac :(
Interesting to see all the vac hate, i honestly feel like its not that bad as nexon's only garunteed reboot server income being the 15/month vac sub. Id especially say its not that bad because of the free vacs we get, depending on when you are playing you can have really high free vac uptime (khali release-6th job events had pretty high uptime on free vac, recently weve had a pretty long dry spell on free vac tho)
I feel like sandbox system would be bad/confusing because you have to read through 5 or 6 jobs worth of skills and passives and not neccesarily know what lower job skills you should be using once you are progressed out of the job.
The only way to "easily and quickly" know the skills that should be on your bar is to join reboot central, join every class discord, and open up every class guide and read through each google doc when you try the class.
I dont really see an easy solution because if you cut out the useless skills from lower jobs, the leveling experience gets way worse but it leaves a lot of clutter if you are rushed to 200 via burning, bonk pots, or some sort of sandbox mode.
To your first point about vac pets being a subscription for guaranteed money from Reboot - just make it a subscription-based game/server. It's pure greed for a functionality that everyone should already have. Maple (and eastern MMOs) has that annoying thing where they specifically create an issue on purpose, and then make you pay for it so you feel like you're actually getting something. That bounces new people off of your game very quickly because new players don't have that preexisting connection to the game like most of the active population does.
@@murmurder it is pure greed, but its a company, it has to make money, VAC pets are a pretty small evil compared to many game's monetization. For new players it is not a requirement, 1) they are not grinding enough for it to be relevant, and 2) free VAC exists and is generally released alongside big content updates where new players are joining in, this is more than enough for a player grinding 30minutes a day.
i promise you that you are definitely not whining when you're simply just asking for qol things that are literally just the standard for all mmos and gachas now, idk how this game is still alive and still has so many archaic systems that people put up with
HUGE HUGE W TAKE on the drop gear!!!!!!!
Could not agree more
didn't they give away the Pink bean Vac pet recently?
Hit 260 and dropped the game like wtf am I doing with my life lol
League now selling $500 skins, we don't want that...
damn you been making banger after banger vid lately. W
2 years ago i tried to get my girlfriend to play. she made an aran, and got bored and quit during the tutorial scenes (0-20).
That boy was cookin!
I wish the Legion system and Link skills was gone or drastically changed. Idk about you, but I really don't want to play classes I don't want to play. Even if it takes 15 minutes to level them to 200, I still don't want to. (Especially now when new characters are padded with hours of unskipable story)
I started playing maple a month ago ish and the gameplay is INSANELY fun. However reading up information on vac pets alone and their importance is what made me quit ultimately. With that cost and upkeep cost alone I can just go fully buy FFXIV with all expansions, get a month of subs. Same with WoW while maple it's just a single pretty much mandatory pet vs an entire game with endless content that won't make me spend extra money just to be effective. To me that's just straight up ridiculously overpriced P2W.
Then I also saw how cosmetics in the shop are all temporary rather than permanent. That is absolute garbage and just screams your usual nexon cash grab game they always make. I'd spend hundreds of dollars on cosmetics alone if they weren't all temporary or yet an other insanely pricey cash grab where the permanent ones are only in RNG lootboxes that costs 10x more with no guarantee of getting what you actually want.
Maybe one day I'll check the game again. I like your channel to keep updated on how the game's going but right now with vac pets, the awful shop and the insane thousand+ hour grind I'd have to do to just get end game ready on a single main leveling a tonne of characters just ain't worth it.
vac pets are never needed
@@MasterStacona They very much are once you reach an end game point where you have to train to get efficient meso.
@@NolifeXTC maple tour and bosses
1. i'd absolutely stop being f2p and buy a vac pet if it was $50, perm, and could be transfered across account. or at least a combination of those (either $50 and perm or perm and could be transfered. i don't think i'd get one if it wasn't perm though) and i'd absolutely buy perma nx if i could guarantee what i got at a reasonable price.
2. i don't really try to get people to play the game for reasons i'll describe later but some of my friends tried it because i have sunk so much time into it and they wanted to know what was up with the game. so, my friend made a beast tamer. pre-rework. in burning world. i tried to explain that a beast tamer was going to be rough because it was very outdated, but they went with it anyway. they couldn't get the step up rewards past 60 because the step up required 3rd job advancement and BT literally did not have job advancements, and overall they were kinda doomed from the start because beast tamer was so rough, janky, and did basically no damage back then-- ESPECIALLY without links/legion. they also struggled learning all the various power crept mechanics that have built up and quit pretty early into the game.
imo three of the biggest concerns facing new players is 1. how awful the first weekly bosses are, 2. how awful grinding without links/legion is, and 3. how awful and complicated the systems in this game can be to someone just joining. i know its easy to look from an insider perspective at sf, cubing, flames, income sources, familiars, links, legion, training spots, gear progression, dailies, which bosses are/aren't important, nodes, transferring & fusing, bonus exp sources, professions, sixth job, efficient usage of hyper skills, inner ability, guild stuff like research/culvert/flag race, and especially on reg scrolling/bonus pots/ah prices/sources of non-cash shop cubes/fz service and think its very easy to navigate, but for a new/returning player *it is far too overwhelming.* there are far too many systems and it needs to be simplified to some extent.
I don’t think nexon cares about what cheaters have to say lol
I got my friend into maplestory about 8-9 months ago and they made it all the way to 6th job in only a few months but he quit playing because he heard of meso changes that killed reboot and was too scared to put time playing a game that could possibly die
Overall they were enjoying the game alot and I'm trying to get them to try it again since they didn't happen but it's silly something like that had to even scare players away in the first place
I would buy NX if there were a pity system
Wish i could have a vac pet 😔
early maple had none of these problems
hmmm
no one ever stays....
stil waiting for the wasd movement instead of arrows
Yeah, why we dont just add baby easy mode to Elden Ring?
I think there is too many power systems. Potential, scrolls, legion, linkskill, etc
God yes please pity system for style boxes 😭
The game just feels like to much accounting work… and the design seems intentionally frustrating to push you towards convenience in the cash shop… and you stop playing for a bit those conveniences expire… if you’re gonna make a game about levelling alts make it easy to switch between them pets, shared cash shops… also during these levelling events I lose interest after doing the first day of 7x monster park and arcane river dailies… to me the fun is just grinding mindlessly in map for an hour or so but it feels like everything else is more important to do for progress. 😂
The money milking aspect of tthis game lols
I would pay more for none rng nx box
Personally, I have issue that we actually need damage to mob. like isn't mobbing like a bread and butter in the game if we cant even do the basic stuff of mobbing is there even any point in playing the game for long hours?