Is Chris Chibnall’s Doctor Who ALL Bad?
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2021
- Doctor Who Flux is here! I've been a vocal critic of the Jodie Whittaker and Chris Chibnall's era so far, but I thought I'd celebrate the arrival of Series 13 with some positivity. So here's five things I like about Series 11, 12 and the Specials in between.
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Let me know what your favourite parts of the Chris Chibnall era are!
Personally I’d say the conscious universe idea was really intriguing to me and I genuinely have really enjoyed every time doctor who has explored it.
Ribbit
The fact its ending in about a year
the gap between series 12 and 13 has been pretty great.
Those are the backhanded compliments I resisted giving in the video. Classics
We have to remember that Jodie's doctor was basically Nu Who's "Sixth" Doctor in the sense that they had a capable actor who was given not that great writing and had to do her best with it. She's sure to shine in her Audio adventures.
I didn’t look at it this way till now but by golly you’re right, your opinion will age well when Jodie blows it out of the park in audio adventures with better writers
Not so capable. Her delivery was awful in every scene.
@@stevkyt2374you need to watch other series with her in
@@stevkyt2374if you give someone awful content and awful direction they're not gonna sound good.
Yep. She's basically the Colin Baker and you're right. I hope she gets some decent audio adventures.
Say what you will about the era so far, but the title sequence is in fact one of the most phenomenal ones we've ever had thus far.
It's amazing
Each to their own, I found it quite boring.
It's mid but also the best post-Davis title sequence imo
@@agentsmith3142agreed
I really do feel bummed that we probably will not see jo martin back, such a wonderful actress and she did so much with so little!
I wouldn't be surprised if she appeared a little bit in Flux or the Specials next year
I won’t lie, Chibnall’s era has consistently left me disappointed. I don’t find the majority of the stories that engaging, and mostly kind of boring. Similarly, I haven’t clicked with the characters, finding them to be bland and generic. And to be honest, the whole Timeless Child thing has kind of sapped my enthusiasm for this show. But that’s not to say there haven’t been things I’ve liked.
- Jodie Whittaker: while I don’t like the Thirteenth Doctor, Jodie consistently brings a great energy and enthusiasm to the role. It’s not enough to save the scripts, but you can clearly see her passion for the role.
- The guest stars: for the most part, the guest actors have been really good, actors like Vinnette Robinson, Chris Noth, Alan Cumming, Charlotte Ritchie, Goran Visnjic, and Ian Gelder have managed to elevate their respective stories, while Sacha Dhawan and Jo Martin arguably overshadow Jodie and the main cast as the Master and the Fugitive Doctor respectively.
- The historicals: they’re not perfect episodes, but I appreciate episodes like “Rosa”, “Demons” and “Tesla” for shining a light on historical events and people that we don’t usually get to learn about. And then there’s “Villa Diodati”, which is a real standout episode for this era.
- The title sequence: not much to say, the visuals and the music are perfect, and a great modernisation of the original titles. Easily the best title sequence of the revival.
All in all, while I haven’t been enthusiastic about this era, I’d be lying if I said there was nothing to like about it. I remain cautiously optimistic that Flux will end up being a satisfying experience, and a solid conclusion to the Chibnall era.
Your thoughts sound quite in line with mine. I think it’s nice to be able to look at the positives of something you don’t really love.
Jodie herself is amazing, love her energy and she could have easily be a great doctor, if only someone could write/direct her properly.
It's a real shame she's not staying on for another showrunner
@@Joe_Brennan_ i read something about her almost changing her mind, just gotta hope they give her plenty specials to be in
If only she'd go back to drama school.
@@stevkyt2374 This is like calling Natalie Portman or Samuel L. Jackson bad actors because of their performances in the Star Wars prequels. There's a limit to how much you can do as an actor when working with bad writing.
Five things I liked about the Chibnall era:
1. - The historical episodes. Demons of the Punjab is probably my favorite of the Chibnall era, and I appreciate it for teaching me something about India and Pakistan that I knew nothing about.
2. - The Dalek episodes. Making them into mind controlling squids that can use humans as their puppets makes them scary again in a way that they really haven't been in a while.
3. - Bringing back The Master's Tardis. First time we've gotten to see it in the modern era and I can't believe that it took so long.
4. - The new cyberman theme. I miss Gold's music a lot but the new cyberman theme is amazing.
5. - Karvanista. I love having a companion/pseudo companion that isn't human and doesn't look human and we haven't really had much of that in the modern era.
I will say that the effects during his run looked stunning. If the writing wasn't awful then there really could've been some good potential here. Sadly, the effects can't overshadow the writing which was a huge nosedive compared to Capaldi's era
I really wish Jo Martin will have stories in Big Finish. She was the female Doctor the show deserved.
I have to imagine she will
My favorite part about the Chibnall era was that it was an excellent cure for my insomnia. Each episode was so mind-numbingly boring, they put me right to sleep!
In all seriousness, I really liked Jodi’s performance and I’m pretty sad that the writing ruined the legacy of the first female doctor.
Hopefully this new series will dazzle and we’ll all be massive fans of 13 and the first female Doctor will be considered a big success!
Maybe if they had focused on making a good show instead of circle jerking themselves about having "the first female X" we wouldn't be in this situation
@@Joe_Brennan_ this aged well...
@@joelrobinson5457Nice one
@@Joe_Brennan_ Basically no, it was more of the same.
I think Jodie really shines during the Doctor's darker moments, and I wish she'd been given more of those. It seems extremely strange to me that Chibnall doesn't write to her strengths.
Chibnall doesn't seem to know how to write to anyone's strengths, including his own
@@Joe_Brennan_disagree, torchwood s2, 3 and 4 are bloody amazing! Chibnall as a writer is comptitent, bit he needs someone to reign him in , kinda like moffat. 😊
@@jackorton821 I think Moffat and Chibnall actually would complement each other very well and should have been co-showrunners.
@@combogalis completely agree, I think the issue is the use of only 1 centralised showrunner wheras in the classic show you had a script editor to balance their power out.
I actually liked Ryan and Grahams relationship and loved that damn frog 🐸.
After having watched the first ep of flux, there are some fun things but there are some infuriating mystery boxes that make me shake my head.
I think I can stomach mystery boxes when it's been planned and written in advance as a full 6-part stories, rather than planting the seeds for future reveals down the line
Gave up on the new series after the Spyfall two parter but I recently watched The Haunting of Villa Diodatti which was really really good- shame it comes before the timeless child and isn’t just standalone. Might watch Flux. Great video!
It may be worth waiting for the verdict on Flux once all 6 parts are out, that’s how I’d do it if not-watching was an option
@@Joe_Brennan_ ok, thanks, I’ll see what I think of the Halloween apocalypse seeing as it’s spooky day 🎃
Vila of diodate has a good stpry but the doctors speec supoorting great man theory is a shame, especially when waters of mars worked ro discourage such thinking in the show.
If there's one thing I wish that RTD keeps in his next era (to be fair, besides Jodie it's also the only thing), it's the title sequence and VFX.
I’ll be sad to say goodbye to this title sequence if we do lose it
@@Joe_Brennan_ i hope they keep the same VFX guy. another gorgeous intro would be nice too.
Yes yes but consider, Badnall Chib
No you’re right, that’s true
Thank you for this! I’m also not a fan of the recent series but you were able to lazerfocus in on all the things I did like about them! The only thing I can’t agree with is the music. It lacks the energy and fun of Murray Gold. The majority of it is so somber and subdued, and even in the more energetic compositions there’s no joy. It may actually be the number one reason I find it so hard to connect to the new series.
Not finding any enjoyment in Chibnall’s Who has honestly made me incredibly sad. I will now strive to forget everything about the last couple of series except for the aspects you mentioned. The historicals, the fan-girling, the weirdness, Jo Martin’s Doctor, and also Jodie as a person. Truly, I’ve loved her in every interview I’ve seen where she is just herself and not the Doctor. As sad as that is. Such missed potential.
Thank you for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed. Hope you enjoy Flux!
@@Joe_Brennan_ Wow! I actually did! Not just moments either… I enjoyed it though-out! It really felt like a return to form! Here’s hoping it keeps it up the quality!
"I'm talking of course... about Jo Martin" made me cackle
I’m so glad, was worried the reveal was taking too long
@@Joe_Brennan_ don't worry, I at least found it very funny (have to assume others did too). You've overall made some really eloquent points about the potential for Martin's doctor and I wholeheartedly agree
I love this video, it basically sums up my positive feelings towards the Chibnall era, with a healthy dose of sarcastic quips
I guarantee that Chibnall's era will be looked back on much more fondly, the exact same thing happened to Moffat's era
It will definitely be interesting to see how it’s remembered after it’s gone. I’m glad you liked the video!
It may be looked back on fondly, sure, by the 25 percent of people still watching
I think most of the people hating on Chibnell just hate change that’s the reality. Some are also political reactionaries. He has injected life into an increasingly tried, bored and repeated franchise of doctor who. Timeless child has opened up a range of possibilities.
@@KingKhan20000 It really hasn't though. It's entirely closed off an entire universe of continuity to explore, so we can explore boring BBC political propaganda lectures delivered by woeful actors. It hasn't opened itself up to anything but severe ridicule, well over half the audience leaving and stores full of unmovable Jodie figures.
Okay so to actually leave a serious comment, I do agree that there have been aspects of Chibnall Who I have liked. Particulaly his use of classic monsters. You touched on that with the Daleks, in Resolution even beyond the face-off with the army we had a very cunning and sinister story showing how intelligent even a single Dalek can be when it's unarmed and backed against the wall. Revolution had a solid idea (even if it was a bit ripped off from Blood of the Daleks) that really could've been explored more, and I like the idea of the Doctor being that powerless that she has no choice but to bring other Daleks in to deal with the drones.
The Cybermen too also stood-out too me, Ashad was genuinely creepy to watch. The stuff with the Cyber-Wars in Ascension was very interesting and in itself was a strong episode, that if part 2 had stayed focused on that and not been derailed by The Timeless Children, could've been a really good Cyberman story. So even with my low expectations of Flux, I am looking forward to seeing how he handles the Sontarans after the Moffat era (I liked Strax but I wish he hadn't been the sole Sontaran rep during that time)
That frustration of the Cyberman finale isn’t the usual Chibnall “why was it so bland”, it’s actually “how did you fumble something that could’ve been so great!?!” It’s almost worse
@@Joe_Brennan_ Yeah, not gonna lie. I enjoyed Ashad. A Cyberman with a vendetta is great. Why he thought that blowing up his only good villain to shoehorn in a lame Master reveal we've seen a million times and the Timeless Child nonsense, is beyond me.
Spending your whole episode building up a guy as a threat, only to have him disabled in two seconds by The Master doesn't actually build up The Master as a villain or character, it just diminishes the original villain.
I thought that Rosa would have been better as a pure historical instead of a time-traveling racist as the bad guy.
Chris Chibnal, more like Antichrist Chibnal, in all seriousness I respect the fact instead of doing the easy thing and being completely negative you look at the qualities which is believe me extremely hard.
Being positive is SO HARD
That’s was a brilliant video, thank you for taking the time to make it. I hope Jodie doesn’t leave in the third special next year, and she is the Doctor for the 60th Anniversary special, but regenerates due to the effects of The Flux, maybe she finds out something really terrible she has done in one of her unknown regenerations of the Doctor and passes away of a broken heart, because she’s full of hope, and is optimistic.
Thank you for watching!
The bait and switch for your number one was top notch!
It was something I wanted to do MONTHS ago in my Jo Martin video, but considering the whole video was about her, it just didn’t work. So glad it’s found its place.
@@Joe_Brennan_ I was thinking "well, I'm glad someone sees those qualities in Jodie because I sure don't." Great video as always!
I like the structure of Chris's Who. Ten episodes (50 minutes a piece) with no over-arching narrative beyond character is such a nice shape for the show. Losing episodes means no more Doctor-Lites or Companion-Lites by necessity (we can still have them, but we no longer _need_ them). Also means more time and money to spend on fewer scripts, upping the quality compared to what they otherwise would have been. Gives the show more of a varied feel in having new concepts every week, no two-parters.
Then there's the New Year's Special. Yes, I know - Christmas Day, 7:30PM, BBC1 is the primetime spot of the year in British television, and it's cool that Doctor Who had it for as long as it did, but there's only so many stories to tell. With New Year's, you can do anything so long as it's about looking to the future (Steven and Mark did a horror the other year!). And, really, the tone of every Doctor Who episode should be about looking forward. Not looking back, which is an intrinsic element to any Christmas story. It's never been an easy fit for Doctor Who, unlike New Year's Day. And doing a blockbuster every year is so inspired, what a great take on the Daleks. Love those stories, they're always a cut above their prior seasons.
A female Doctor _is_ bold, and three companions even more so. Both make you go _"Ooh. Can we do that? Is that a good idea?"_ which, as Steven Moffat once said, is the only audience response you can get to know you're doing your job properly as showrunner.
I think Seagun is a great choice too. The title sequence and theme really is the best we've had. All New Directors is cool, though they could have been chosen better (not a fan of how every episode fits one style now, we used to be more varied: rare for TV these days. Also doesn't help that I think the style they went for - 'cinematic' - is both a terrible idea _and_ poorly done), but not such a fan of the All New Writers rule.
On paper, Chris's initial vision for the show is slick, precise, and very risky. In execution, I'm not quite as keen, but I admire what he set out to do. From a structural point of view, he's improved the show tenfold.
It wouldn't be appropriate to mention Series 12 under a video with that title.
I think the point about it being conceptually strong but poorly executed is quite an interesting one, and runs through practically every aspect. I know Full Fat Videos referred to the "Noble Failings" of the series, and I think that's an apt way of describing it
I haven’t watched Doctor Who since the whole Angel’s Take Manhattan thing was happening, but I was going through your videos en preparation for rewatching pre-Ncuti and Tennant AND I SCREAMED WHEN YOU SAID JOHN SMITH (pickles?) DID THE OPPENING VFX. Talk about a fanartist we all said should be working for the BBC asap AND THEY FUCKING FINALLY LISTENED. I’m gonna watch Jodie’s run first just cause of that 😂
I must say, Halloween Apocalypse (Flux part one) seemed to me a vast improvement from the previous 2 series. By far the best scripted and acted episode of the Chibnall era. Better late than never? BTW John Bishop brilliant as Dan. My fave companion since Amy Pond.
I had a lot of fun with it! It'll be interesting to see how it pays off, but I'm definitely invested
This was a nice video to watch tonight, makes me feel more optimistic going into tonight's episode!
I think my favourite part of this era has been Graham. I don't know if it's Bradley Walsh's charisma, Chibnall being good at writing this type of character, or both, but he's always been a fun presence, livening up the episodes a bit
Oh. I also really liked Graham and those few moments where it focuses on his relationship with Ryan are really quite good.
It’s nice to be able to go into Flux with some positive feelings towards the show. It actually makes me a little excited! I haven’t felt that way about DW in awhile.
Bradley Walsh brings an energy that the scripts really lack, even when he’s not got a huge amount to do. I hope we see him again before the era is over.
Walsh was good but they severely reduced his screen time after he won an award for acting in Rosa, because he overshadowed Jodie and Mandip. Next time you see him he's just gushing about Yaz for no reason.
I definitely agree that the historical episodes have been the standout of the Chibnall era! Most episodes are boring/blend into each other, but the episodes that have stuck in my mind (and enjoyed upon first watch) have been the historicals! Particular shout out to Tesla, the guy who played him was absolutely incredible. I enjoyed the show highlighting the history between Tesla & Edison (and actually showing that Edison was a shit). I also quite liked Demons of the Punjab, mostly because of the cool Punjabi remix of the Doctor Who theme tune, I though that was very cool. Ada Lovelace was great as you rightly pointed out, and Alan Cummings was superb!
As a completely different point, I also like the frog 🐸 I love frogs in general, and the froggy reveal is so brilliantly random (and…. bold 👀) I can’t help but laugh and enjoy it haha
The frog is exactly the kind of weird and wonderful creativity that makes Doctor Who such a fun show
I kinda disagree, punjabs historical elements were great but the plot an moral fall a bit flat when all you can say is "Oh, i forgot ypur wntire specoes turned good (missing out on critiquing the doctor for generalizing entire species)" and the shows potrayal of edison and telsa was misleading, the 2 neer met and tesla was a weirdo often more weong than right.
@@jackorton821 honestly in hindsight I agree that Demons of the Punjab was quite bad. The me who commented 12+ months ago was still in the frame of mind of "trying to find the positives" in this era lol. Tesla was a weirdo. Pretty much the only thing I stand by is that the guy who played Tesla was fantastic and Alan Cummings was great (although his character was also a creep). Sigh. Roll on the 60th and beyond :)
I don't think just doing something bold is worthy of praise, especially if it fails massively.
I can clog my toilet with shit - that's a massive and bold thing to do, but it's not worthy of respect.
I do make that point. There’s a difference between something good and something bold, but I’m still glad it’s being made in a creative environment where boldness is permitted
@@Joe_Brennan_ I feel like that's not really praise for the show, but more the BBC itself?
I didn't say anything positive in my original comment, so I should say that I really like the TARDIS exterior.
Agreed. What's the point of making "bold" choices when the resulting product goes against the same choices? I had much hope I had for this era, currently I'm embarrassed to tell anyone that I love Dr Who and unfortunately that sentiment has been growing for a long time. That is BAD for any show.
@@Joe_Brennan_ It's not even boldness. It's the veneer of boldness slapped onto an insidious industry-wide political agenda masquerading as plot.
@@anon5263 Of course there's a comment about the "political agenda" in Chibnall's run, even though 1. What makes his run so bad isn't anything political, it's literally that the stories are all soooo boring and just bad episodes and 2. Doctor Who has always been political, the reason you never noticed before was because it was written well enough to interweave into the episodes and the episodes didn't suffer for it.
To answer the question, Yes, all bad.
Did you watch the video fam
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your number one reveal made me chuckle😂
I'm so glad, I was worried it was too obvious
God I really wish jo martin becomes the 14th doctor, she was incredible in the few moments she got.
My fingers are still crossed, despite what reason says
@@Joe_Brennan_ it's so unlikely but it's all i want, like mu dream of owning a lego star destroyer
I would like them to release a normal sized imperial star destroyer. 120 quid or something. Can’t afford a £700 one, but would love to have something in that iconic shape
@@Joe_Brennan_ yeah my bank account really doesn't appreciate those greedy bastards
Let's hope Big Finish will give her a chance like they did for Derek Jacobi, Paul McGann and John Hurt.
So this will be very controversial, so read the whole thing before replying: I don’t think RTD should ignore the Timeless Child. I think that would be like if Moffat had ignored the Time War just cuz he thought it was dumb. And if Jodie comes back for a special, it couldn’t be ignored that it informed literally her whole arc. Instead, I want a Day of the Doctor type thing (though preferably a miniseries rather than just one special) with the Fugitive Doctor actually *about* undoing it’s canonicity. Give her a story about how all those other regenerations the Doctor was forced to forget were somehow wiped out, maybe by an old rival time lord, or maybe she has to wipe them out herself, leaving only her and the 14 official incarnations we know. It’s just…Chibnall made it such a core part of the Doctor. To pretend he never did that would feel strange, and would piss off the half of the fans who liked his run. I want a great story about undoing it, I think that’s the best case scenario. You may disagree but I hope I’ve made my points well.
I actually agree. It was predominate enough that it requires at least a retcon, and that way they could bring Jo Martin back in. :)
It seems from the start of Flux that Chibnall is doubling down on it, and I’m actually really glad he has. I’m intrigued to see where it goes, as much as I hate the concept.
@@Joe_Brennan_ yeah…the premiere was super fun actually? Hoping he doesn’t drop the ball after the premiere like with season 12.
I had a lot of fun with it
the thing is about resolution is I watched it when it aired and can remember literally nothing at all from it without some kind of prompt
I think it sticks in my head a bit more as a fun finale to Series 11 than the real one
There are episodes which are fine but there aren't any which are great, and the ones that had a chance of being great are generally compromised by this weird need to make everything into an excessively tonally similar soup, or they're The Haunting of Villa Diodati which is more let down by being the first part of an overall fairly bad three part story.
I definitely think that’s the era’s biggest crime. There are rarely episodes that I truly HATE, but my biggest issue is that everything feels a consistent level of bland
@@Joe_Brennan_ It's probably most obvious in It Takes You Away, which is a deeply weird story trapped inside the Chibnall house style. I assume it was also supposed to be much scarier at some point, since there was an entire monster costume that they made and filmed that didn't show up in the broadcast version.
I've enjoyed the Chris Chibnall era, and I like Jodie's portrayal of the Doctor. What pisses me off is that there are all these toxic little teenage shits saying, not just that it's all terrible, but that they speak for all "real" Doctor Who fans and no-one else is allowed to disagree with them. I've been a fan of the show since the beginning of Jon Pertwee's era so I think I qualify as a real fan. If you don't like the current Doctor or showrunner, fine. But don't ruin it for those who do.
Good to see Segun Akinola get a nod here. His theme is chilling. It sets up a horror show. I suspect he’ll be binned when RTD returns, since RTD’s style is much closer to a loud and trashy (sorry, “epic”) aesthetic. Similarly, the incidental music has been toned down so you can actually hear the dialogue during this run. I do hope Akinola stays on, but fear it’s vanishingly unlikely.
As for Whittaker, I think she does a lot with a little. That we still don’t really know what her Doctor stands for isn’t on her. She’s done well with half-hearted writing. She should have been directed and written better. Alas. It would have been great to see her stay on with a showrunner that wasn’t RTD but that was a great SF writer with an eye for character development and richness.
I think it'll be a shame to see Segun go so soon, I'd be especially interested to see him work under a different showrunner. But, as you said, it's unlikely with RTD
8:00 "Ada should have become a regular companion". Yes to this, a number of fans (me included) have been crying out for NuWho to have non-contemporary companion and this was a perfect setup for one who already showed a glimpse of what it would be like.
And with all his faults I do have to give Chibnall credit for re-establishing the classic monsters as the villainous and scary characters they once were. I hope he will do the same with Sontarans in Flux. 🤞
I could not agree more on the fabulous title sequence and accompanying theme tune. Perhaps it is the nods and attention to details in revisiting and evoking the classic who ones that is giving nostalgia vibes but for me they are leaps and bounds better than what has come before in NuWho.
I don’t think I’ll ever shut up about Ada and how much I loved her portrayal
I agree with your view that it can be disliked as long as you don't attack fans. I am someone who is incredibly positive about Chibnall, as I have been for all that came before it, so this is a risky topic for me to listen to, but I liked it. I agree with all your 5 choices. I do disagree with some things, like The Timeless Children being terrible, but everything positive I agree with and it's actually refreshing to see a negative video that is respectful to those who are positive. I found this enjoyable
Opinions don’t matter so long as there’s respect. There are positive people who are rude to the negative, and negative people who are rude to the positive. We’d all get along a lot better if we stopped caring what other people thought
I see absolutely nothing positive. I just destroyed Doctor Who. Like Episodes 8 and destroyed Star Wars. It nothing but a crime.
I miss it when I watched Series 11 not knowing the Timeless Child would be a thing. WE NEVER WANTED THE TIMELESS CHILD
The Timeless Child was always going to be a thing, see The Ghost Monument LOL
@@RobTFilms Yeah but I didn't know it be a monstrosity. I just thought it was gonna be some entity child the Doctor had to protect from all their villains and monsters of the universe that want to obtain it's innocent but titanic power.
I like doctor who a lot. I can always re-watch the legendary doctors of the past. What I really want to know is if there is anything about the new doctor that is worth still enjoying. This video really helps. Thank you. We always want to know if something is bad. So now that we know it is, I really wanted to know what about it might be good.
Don't worry Jo Martin will be back.
Honestly I'm kind of excited for Flux. While I can't say that I'm expecting it to be amazing, I respect the boldness of having one story told through 6 episodes. Whether that fails or not, only time will tell, but until it does I can honestly say I'm looking forward to it. I really hope it will be amazing and just completely blow everyone's expectations out of the water, I think it would be hilarious if that happened but I doubt it will.
The first episode was fun! I think, even if it’s not great, there will be so much going on that it will never be dull. And that’s something to celebrate
10:50 was cold!!!!
Feels quite mean in this positive video, but I’m still proud of it
Don't blame Chris Chibnall for the switch from Christmas Day to New Year. That was a BBC decision, based on the declining viewership over the last few Christmas Day specials.
I was about to click out when you came to point 1. Luckily I heard Jo Martin in time. lol
Not bad a fan but I feel you nail some of the brighter points. I appreciate a lot of what the series drives at, even if I find the execution sorely lacks (which for me includes the music sadly: controversial, I know, but it doesn't land for me, even if I respect and admire the intent).
Not sure what "not bad a fan" means! That should have read "I've not been a fan"!
I loved the shit chair frog 😂😂
That's the mark of good taste
@@Joe_Brennan_ truly exquisite
R.I.P DOCTOR WHO 1963 - 2017
when you said number 1 i was so confused
5:29 I hate that Jodie's Doctor killed a _TARDIS_ just because it was convenient; they are _living, intelligent beings_ with their own thoughts, desires, and emotions, and she cast it aside like the machine people think they are. TARDISes can grieve not just for their dead owners, but also each other, and the Doctor _knows_ this.
I don't think the doctor being a female "caused a stir" all my doctor who fan friends were excited for a female doctor but then we got this, now they're all disappointed.
I like what you said in the intro about how negativity is draining. That's not true for everyone, sadly. There are far too many youtubers who have continued feeding their negativity until it's all that's left, and now they just talk about things they hate, and come into new things prepared to hate them even when they're good.
Also I want to say I love Jodie Whittaker and believe she could have been a phenomenal Doctor with better material to work with. Capaldi was similarly lackluster in his first series as 12 despite being Peter fucking Capaldi, because the writing just wasn't there most of the time.
@@tvguy61 That's definitely a part of it, but I also think it's a downward spiral where these types of people just get so consumed in negativity, they forget how to talk positively about anything EXCEPT by contrasting it with things they dislike.
A lot of these creators now, even in their positive reviews of things will repeatedly break into rants about how it's NOT like this theying they obsessively hate, like that's the only thing that matters.
Are you still planning on doing a retrospective of Chibnall's era? And if you are, will it be after the Centenary special?
I think Jodie could have been SUCH a good doctor if she wasn't written to be insecure. That was the most offputting thing to me about her performance. I mean, her exaggerated speaking bugs me too but it's something I can look past because it doesn't alter the doctor's character. The doctor is socially awkward, sure, but not ever insecure about it. (Think about Tennant's Easter special on that bus) i literally do not know why chibnail gave her that trait
Oh yeah she could've also been given good episodes. That would have also made her better
No favorite parts. I do enjoy the points you made.
That is understandable, I appreciate that you enjoyed it anyway
Sometimes, I find some of the criticism of the Chibnall era a bit exaggerated and almost toxic to the point it feels like they are blaming Jodie rather than Chris (or both) for the shows decline. Even with his faults, I have found enjoyment watching the show (maybe because I'm more open minded and dont get bugged by certain details others do) and hope this doesn't discourage the BBC from casting another woman as the doctor.
I really have to hope they DO cast another woman, or Jodie Whittaker will forever be seen as the failed experiment
Favorite thing is simply that it is over.
I just rewatched The Haunting of Villa Diodati today, and I got to see a side of Thirteen that never really came to the fore elsewhere. In that moment where she confronts the Fam about how she needs to make a drastic decision, it suddenly occurred to me that her awkward demeanor could well be covering her drive to, as Twelve told her, "always try to be nice," until she inevitably can't because she can "never fail to be kind."
I'll be waiting to catch up with Flux until it's all out, but I hope that they tap more into her character. It doesn't even have to agree with my read of that particular episode, but I want *something* that feels like a distinct Doctor! If not Flux, then we'll just have to wait until Big Finish or some other expanded media get their hands on the rights to her.
Watch Flux
@@RobTFilms I... I will. I said I will in the comment you're replying to. I'm just waiting.
Tbh the frog is way down on my list of things I didn't like about Chibnal's era. On rewatch I actually almost like it, how batshit it is lol
Join Team Frog, life is better when you embrace the batshit frog decision
i don't think the loss of the Christmas slot should be laid at chibnalls feet, since we know he was afforded much less creative freedom than the two prior showrunners I think it's more likely that it was a top down decision that he had very little control over.
You think I didn't see that Scongo reference, don't you, Joe?
I’ll pull a pro gamer move by asking- which one?
@@Joe_Brennan_ oh no, I only say the Google documents one..
0:18
@@Joe_Brennan_ jesus, Joe, that one is subtle
SCONGO GO BONGO BONGO
god i wish they kept those titles with Segun's version of the theme. i really like the new rtd2 title & theme but I'm only just now realising that I'm in mourning for the chibbers aesthetics
I think maybe that sort of over exaggerated expositiony delivery Jodie has might work for a big finish thing maybe. Maybe I dunno. Hmm maybe
That might be true actually, she could probably do that format quite well judging by her role in the games and theatre
^yes
10:50 😂😂😂😂totally agree
next time... Is Jeremy Renner’s Doctor Who ALL Good?
That would make for a rubbish video. Just 5 seconds of me saying “yes!”
Yes, it is. To shortcut this. It destroyed DW!
Just watched your Tennant video before this one and throughout the entire time I watched that, I just kept thinking how much I wish Jodie stayed on for RTD. Before Flux, there were several lovely episodes, like the Rosa episode, and rewatching the James Bond-esque episode recently reminded that it was a genuinely fun episode and Sacha made such a wonderful Master. Flux was genuinely disappointing, even on re-watch, and really killed the momentum of the show. I haven't finished the last 3 episode of Jodie's run after the Flux slog, but even knowing a bit of what's coming, I am just so sad that we didn't get the opportunity to have Jodie's doctor shine. Watching it all over again, she has the capability of being such a wonderful doctor, but Chris really let her talents go to waste. I'm looking forward to Tennant for the sheer fact that it won't be Chibnall anymore, but I so desperately wish Jodie stayed on just a little bit longer. She deserved it.
Chibnall... okay?
No he bad
@@Joe_Brennan_ wait what
@@RobTFilms chibnall bad
10:52 I was very confused for a moment but then you said Jo Martin and it allll made sense That's my doctor (lov jodie too but fugitive doctor solos)
Chibnall has not done any thing of worth since the first season of Broadchurch
He made the doctor a coward
You're the best.
Thank you!
Cringe Chibnall managed to kill the potentially largest universe in fiction. Bravo Chibs.
you made a few good points, but i stand by mine, while adding, jodie isnt bad, and she could have even been good, but chibnal being SO BAD, just made everything else worse, and dragged the WHOLE THING through the mud, jodie included, and thats kind of a shame.
I think my biggest issue with the era is world over character
Yes
I don't enjoy this era and yet
5. I do enjoy the prequel possibilities of the Timeless Doctors. Plus I love that bluudy frog!
4. Resolution was an absolute microwave dinner. I hope RTD makes the show popular enough again to be worthy of the Christmas day slot
3. Rosa is one I'd happily rewatch if I was forced at gunpoint to rewatch 3 episodes from this era. As for the other two... hopefully that's not an itchy trigger finger...
2. It's pretty but it fails to instruct the audience, as the "old" modern intro did, on the basic format of the show: the Time Vortex was previously shown as being damaged - by fire, storms, time itself unwinding - as the prime timeline is rudely being altered, say by anachronistic tech, alien incursion, or a mad scientist using a combination of both. The TARDIS was then shown responding (to all calls;) and heading in, tracing the damage back to it's point of origin... it's literally a simplification of the whole concept, for those who choose to see it. And it's not there in the current blobby thing and I kind of miss it
1. Jodie is just not leading man material. The weakest, most beige Doctor since the Fifth, who's TV era (I love him on Big Finish) Jodie's reminds me of more and more.
That said, T'Nia Miller is impressing me more and more in Foundation. And she's bald, so that's point 5 covered. But she displays strength of character, charisma, and you just can't stop looking at her when she's in full flow. Jodie gets lost in a crowd and that's simply not the Doctor, for me. Yes, it's the writing from the mad lad himself, but also yes it's Jodie The Giant Man Baby Killer Whittaker herself. Nuff said
(The first episode of Flux just started and by the time the opening credits hit, I'm back here to finish this comment. And that, Good Sir, says it all)
I hope you enjoyed Flux!
@@Joe_Brennan_ I did, thanks. You?
"Prequel possibilities," did I mention? I didn't hate Dan, the dogs were cute, Yaz needs to find some hidden depths because she's so one note... least interesting to me where the familiar monsters tbh... all in, I'm looking forward to the next episode. That's new! So it was more treat than trick, it turns out. Happy Halloween:)
The fact he’s doubling down on the Division and Timeless Child stuff is actually pretty exciting for me. I really respect that.
@@Joe_Brennan_ it's the only way to go. I do wonder if intergrating Vortex energy into Galactus - sorry, I mean, the Flux - will mean it will start eating Time as well as Space? What this could mean for the Timeless timeline... nah, it's set in stone, now. I'm hoping Chibbers doesn't recant. Onwards and upwards
I didn't like Chibnall's era all that much but I think some of his best decisions were casting Jo Martin as the fugitive doctor and Sacha Dhawan as the master. And I think Flux was mostly good (tho I believe it was butchered by its finale). He also brought back the classic doctors and companions in his final episode something of which I will always appreciate. Again, I didn't like his era that much but there were still good things that I hope make it into the next one.
Why is the frog on a chair a problem? Dr. Who has always been ridiculous. New Earth is full of Cat people. The Face of Bo is fairly ridiculous... do we ever find out how Harkness ends up that way?
I agree with you about the festive vs Christmas special thing. It’s a little disappointing that Moffat really fought to keep the Christmas spot just for Chibnall to ignore it, but a New Years Special is more inclusive than a Christmas Special, so it doesn’t really matter. The two holidays are a only week apart and most people are on holidays for both so I don’t understand why people have been so upset by the change
I think for a lot of people, it was a very nostalgic tradition, part of the Christmas routine. Losing that is something I can understand being upset about, although not to the point of real bitterness.
dont particularly agree with most of these points (particularly the opening, i find both the somg and the visuals real bad) but GOD youre right abour jo martin. very sad that shes probably not going to have more than 3 episodes before she goes.
good video as allways :)
I just have to hope she's able to appear in future Anniversary specials
@@Joe_Brennan_ im 100% confident that shell at the very least get a big finish box, possibly even a series 4
Yeah its shite, end of video. RTD can't come back soon enough.
I feel like you've not even watched the video here bud
Chi malls to crime wimey , it’s more less sci-fi if I write who I’d make it more classicy bold with monsters , but more like classic ones not a fan made
Yeah
I get you
Yes.
i love It Takes You Away , the concept the music the sentiment - everything other than how they tell the story through the dialogue the dialogue was just so poor for a lot of it
Yes...
Have you actually watched the video
I only watched the first season and really didn't enjoy it.
One thing I recall I really liked was the visuals, Doctor Who has never looked this good. I can't wait for Russell T Davies to have this budget.
Personally I actually liked a lot about Chibnall's approach and ideas, which arguably felt the most like The Classic Era compared to RTD's soap opera and Moffatt's fantasy. I liked the move to New Year's from Christmas a lot. I love Segun Akinola's work far more than Murray Gold's.
It's just too bad he had too many companions and largely didn't seem to know where to put them, some of the more political aspects were far too blunt, on-the-nose, and misapplied, and that he was the least talented writer of his whole team, even while he had amazing writers. Also the acting was too subdued generally.
But a bit like Colin Baker's Era, there're so many outside factors going on that hampered away a lot of potential too. Flux and Trial of a Timelord aren't dissimilar at all. The Real Season 23 and the Real Series 13 are always going to be big What-Ifs.
I'm only truly disappointed Chibnall didn't make the 60th his finale, and that Whittaker decided to leave with Chibs rather than break tradition and go into the next showrunner.
Oh and as for Whittaker, she's Peter Davison to Jo Martin's Commander Maxil and Capaldi's Tom Baker, there was nowhere for her to go, and after all the arcs kinda wrapping up with Capaldi and after all that gravitas, she had to be more straight and human human [not a joyless, whiny egomaniac like Tennant's], and I think she did that well.
If Smith is the perfect alien, Whittaker is the perfect human...or the closest since Eccleston, the ACTUAL best RTD era Doctor atm, but I'm optimistic for Gatwa.
Its pants
Yes😟
I quite like the visuals of the intro but I'm not a fan of the theme song, I find the very prominent drumming to be a bit much
Yes, it is
Fair enough
LOL @ Dr Karen
Just watch Revolution of the Daleks and thought the writing was shit
And yes I could expand beyond that
All of Chibnall's writing on the show is pretty wonky
I recently rewatched the series, and it honestly wasn't as bad as I remembered. Jodie was more enjoyable then first time watching.
That's interesting to know, I'll probably rewatch the era once it's all done
I pretty much hope Russell forgets about chibnalls and Jodie's era. I don't believe a female doctor was needed and that a female or young girl cannot connect with a male lead or the other way round. I know I have seen some inspiring female leads and I'm male. They could of easily used the doctors daughter for a female role, but much like modern day TV they hijack the male role. If they try again maybe push the boat out and get Hayley attwell.
Sorry to put a damper on the list of positives, but... I really enjoyed the celebrity historicals of Chibnall's era too, and I think many of them were very good. Rosa was almost a perfect episode but for some reason they had an unexplained space racist on the loose which made the whole story seem weird. It inadvertently created a white saviour of the doctor by having her fix the timeline so what had happened could happen, I think instead of having the fam run around trying to make sure everything goes to plan they should have been solving a different threat which just meant they had to be in the same places as Rosa Parks. Demons of the Punjab did this brilliantly, balancing history with scifi in a more subtle way so that events wouldn't get carried away from the core of the story, and the history could still happen as it was supposed to without the doctor 'fixing' it.
I also feel like they could have done something a bit more with the specials. Granted they have limited scope, but I think instead of just abandoning the Christmas special they should have fazed it out, had a special where they address how Christmas isn't inclusive, but it's widely celebrated in the UK, they had the perfect characters to do this with as well since Yaz could have talked about what 'Christmas' time is like for her family, as people who don't have the same beliefs (they explore a Hindu marrying a Muslim in demon's of the Punjab, but I don't remember if we find out if Yaz is religious or not, but either way) or cultural inheritance. The special could be a good story to bring the fam together a bit more as they share a very important time of year and explain what it means, there could be stuff about how emotional it is for Ryan and Graham too, since they're missing part of their family, and how that changes the holidays. After this special they could change to New Years as representative of how Doctor Who is becoming more inclusive while actually addressing what that means, rather than just glossing over the previously perceived problem and not really doling anything about it.
I think those are some interesting points, especially your suggestions for improving Rosa. It's a shame that episode gets so close to being great, only to be kind of fumbled in the specifics.