Great Video! I am a non-traditional DO. I was a Registered Nurse for 18 years prior to going to medical school. Back then, there was only 13 DO medical schools
Great video! Solid information. I personally like the philosophy behind DO education a little more but like you said at the end of day the knowledge really is the same and a doctor is a doctor
I work at an urgent care office. We have 10 doctors and 2 are MDs and the rest are DOs. And for any future doctor reading this… I’ve never had a patient care about it. Some do get angry about our PAs coming in because they want ‘real’ doctors 🙃 I always assure them we never hire fake doctors 😅
I am a patient and I care. I have been under a Drs. Care since being injured as a teenager in football. Take this, don't take that, do this and don't do that. I've been through the system and back more than once. Meds are iffy, don't work and more times than not, not giving the therapeutic dosage. The spine manipulation is good but what if you have been diagnosed with a dysfunctional spine who will listen. Not many will understand that.
@@CJ-xo5vn never said they were but I see how skimming this could lead you to think that was the implication. Merely teasing the fact that some people imply we pull them off the street with no education. But where I work in the state of Virginia, PAs can practice in the same capacity as a doctor and even own their own practice if they have a speciality. Insurance here sees them in the same provider status. Wow, this comment is two years old. I’m flattered. 😆
My mom went to CCOM (Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine.) She use to take me with her a lot to school as well as to hospitals she interned at. I vividly remember a talk given that defined being a DO as “someone who finds the root cause of the pain, not just treats the pain.” My mom ended up being accepted into EM where she’s been for 25+ years. She’s one of my favorite doctors not just because she’s my mom. She really cares for her patients even when a lot of them don’t care for themselves.
Thank you so much doctor. You provided wonderful explanation. My son got admission in DO school. He applied very late due to late MCAT result. He was very disappointed when someone told him that DO students can’t apply for specialities. He is also interested in dermatology. He was curious to apply for next year. Now I will show him this. Thanks and I really appreciate for uploading this video.
Ummm sorry your son was mislead. He should have believed who said DOs can’t specialize (which is actually false) but what that person meant to say was that being a DO is a DISADVANTAGE. Your son will not match Dermatology as a DO. I’m telling you that right now. Lol
I am an orthopedic surgeon which is one of the hardest fields to enter as an MD graduate. As an MD, getting into an MD medical is unbelievably difficult as anyone in medicine knows. I was on my OB rotation when one one of the DO students took me aside and said regardless of what anyone tells you 99% of us applied to MD school and did not get in. There is also the uncomfortable truth that if they were not white or Asian they could have entered an MD school. Not being an underrepresented minority actually works against you. MDs are the cream of our medical system. If you go to any major University Hospital in America, those are all institutions that have a medical school that grant an MD degree, and you will have an unbelievably high chance of being seen by an MD. MD institutions select only the best applicants with the highest grades, MCAT scores, and everything being equal, as I've met in my colleagues, Olympic gold medalists, and a Navy SEAL. The best of the best. That is how they became an MD. The best residency training programs for doctors in America take first, United States MD graduates who have graduated at the top of their MD classes called 'AOA' or Alpha Omega Alpha. . The top residency training programs and hospitals, as this video doctor says, in America, are MD programs at MD medical schools. If you look at any list of top hospitals in America, they are all MD or allopathic training hospitals with medical schools which grant an MD . This Hasan Minaj joker, as an Indian or Pakistani, probably knows some people who were interested in medicine and found this out for him, and he made it into a cheap joke. All the Ivy League hospitals and medical schools are MD institutions. Sorry about the facts.
There are good doctors from any program and in any specialty and not so good doctors. As a medically complex patient I've both seen a lot of DOs as well as MDs. Some of the best and most noteworthy great experiences have been with DOs to the point that I was already planning to call to compliment the care and then later found out they happened to be a DO... and some of my worst have definitely been with MDs in specialties. But that being said, not all DOs have been the best ever, some have just been okay and I wouldn't want them for regular care... and I also have plenty of MDs who have sought out extra training and gone above and beyond to be some of the most important doctors on my team. I am well aware of the bias in places like my Tier one teaching hospital against DOs, but I find it sad and ironic that often they have been some of the best problem solvers and far better providers for medically complex patients on average. But that being said the person is FAR more important than any letters. If I'm flying blind, I pick a DO (and I do prefer one who knows and practices OMT because for me it is a game changer!), but I rarely fly blind these days. Good doctors know good doctors, and complex patients talk. My whole philosophy has changed to not caring about which doctors have the most accolades especially with the most famous people they treated, but who has the best record helping the sickest and most complex patients. Those are the doctors who will be there for us when we need them -- so MD or DO, it's all about the attitude, resilience, and yes that whole emotional competence is part of it. I've been blessed to meet so many amazing doctors, and I'm alive today because of it. None of them will get international awards for their great work, but they definitely have helped shape some amazing patient centered care for us. In my city OMT is greatly increasing in demand, so I don't know that the stigma will maintain forever.
@@drparisis Absolutely -- keep up the DO "fight" (which in my experience is just a lot of really decent people bringing decent patient centered care to just fight that stigma).
Hi Dr. Parisis! This was so helpful. I am a Cali native - have been accepted into a DO school in Utah and still waitlisted for an MD school in Cali. I am also interested in radiology and researching my prospects and getting accepted into a radiology residency back in Cali if I get rejected from the MD school. Im looking at an uphill climb. Your channel has been so helpful in my planning and I have gleened that I should: get the best grades possible, get the best exam scores possible, take USMLE exams in addition to COMLEX, start building my residency “story” by showing interest in my desired speciality thru organizations volunteering and research, get great LORs from my 3rd year rotations, make connections with desired residency programs. Am I missing anything? Thank you!!!!!
OMT is a scam. The holistic approach is also a scam I’m in MD school and we do the same thing when taught how to speak to patients. Idk, if you can just do MD it’ll make it easy for you when applying to residency trust me. I think only 3 DOs matched neurosurgery.
My little brother is a DO who matched neurosurgery. He graduated cum laude with a four-year biomedical engineering degree (in other words, he completed a degree in 4 years with good grades that takes most people 5 years to complete), but his mcat scores weren’t as high as he wanted them. He did so much research and published a ton of papers though, through both undergrad and med school, which he said was the only thing that set him apart and made him competitive.
Well they are not exactly equal. Usually DO is the plan-B medicine for applicants who couldn't get into an MD school. DO applicants have slightly less competitive MCAT scores and GPAs than MD applicants. More than the numbers, their applications as a whole, are not that competitive for an MD school. Many applicants don't even consider DO schools until they get rejections from MD schools. Most DO schools are not competitive-enough to land them in competitive specialities. So most of them end up in primary care ( still 100% match rate. Yet this is not their dream field). DO schools are easy to start. COCA is so lax on starting a DO school compared to LCME. That's why there are so many for-profit DO schools popping up in the country with so low standards. Finally, that additional "skill" of OMT is just mainly pseudoscience. While MD students learn evidence-based medicine in their curriculum, DO schools fill up their curriculum with this archaic pseudoscience which talks about spirits in the bone, CSF pulsation, cranial manipulation, lymphatic pumping and other BS.
Yes, they are equal. DOs have the same exact privileges as MDs. You have not answered when asked multiple times. Are you a physician? I'm not sure where you get your information. The curriculum at a DO school is very similar to that of an MD school with the addition of OMM.
Great Video! I am a non-traditional DO. I was a Registered Nurse for 18 years prior to going to medical school. Back then, there was only 13 DO medical schools
What specialty did you do
Great video! Solid information. I personally like the philosophy behind DO education a little more but like you said at the end of day the knowledge really is the same and a doctor is a doctor
Facts
Agreed.
I work at an urgent care office. We have 10 doctors and 2 are MDs and the rest are DOs. And for any future doctor reading this… I’ve never had a patient care about it. Some do get angry about our PAs coming in because they want ‘real’ doctors 🙃 I always assure them we never hire fake doctors 😅
PAs aren’t Doctors
I am a patient and I care. I have been under a Drs. Care since being injured as a teenager in football. Take this, don't take that, do this and don't do that. I've been through the system and back more than once. Meds are iffy, don't work and more times than not, not giving the therapeutic dosage. The spine manipulation is good but what if you have been diagnosed with a dysfunctional spine who will listen. Not many will understand that.
A pa is not a doctor
@@CJ-xo5vn never said they were but I see how skimming this could lead you to think that was the implication. Merely teasing the fact that some people imply we pull them off the street with no education. But where I work in the state of Virginia, PAs can practice in the same capacity as a doctor and even own their own practice if they have a speciality. Insurance here sees them in the same provider status.
Wow, this comment is two years old. I’m flattered. 😆
My mom went to CCOM (Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine.)
She use to take me with her a lot to school as well as to hospitals she interned at.
I vividly remember a talk given that defined being a DO as “someone who finds the root cause of the pain, not just treats the pain.”
My mom ended up being accepted into EM where she’s been for 25+ years.
She’s one of my favorite doctors not just because she’s my mom. She really cares for her patients even when a lot of them don’t care for themselves.
Thank you so much doctor. You provided wonderful explanation. My son got admission in DO school. He applied very late due to late MCAT result. He was very disappointed when someone told him that DO students can’t apply for specialities. He is also interested in dermatology. He was curious to apply for next year. Now I will show him this. Thanks and I really appreciate for uploading this video.
No problem glad it was helpful
Someone lied to your son. DOs not being “allowed” to specialize is unequivocally false.
Ummm sorry your son was mislead. He should have believed who said DOs can’t specialize (which is actually false) but what that person meant to say was that being a DO is a DISADVANTAGE. Your son will not match Dermatology as a DO. I’m telling you that right now. Lol
@@cs7623 My state school has a DO and MD program and I have seen many DOs match derm
I am an orthopedic surgeon which is one of the hardest fields to enter as an MD graduate. As an MD, getting into an MD medical is unbelievably difficult as anyone in medicine knows. I was on my OB rotation when one one of the DO students took me aside and said regardless of what anyone tells you 99% of us applied to MD school and did not get in. There is also the uncomfortable truth that if they were not white or Asian they could have entered an MD school. Not being an underrepresented minority actually works against you. MDs are the cream of our medical system. If you go to any major University Hospital in America, those are all institutions that have a medical school that grant an MD degree, and you will have an unbelievably high chance of being seen by an MD. MD institutions select only the best applicants with the highest grades, MCAT scores, and everything being equal, as I've met in my colleagues, Olympic gold medalists, and a Navy SEAL. The best of the best. That is how they became an MD. The best residency training programs for doctors in America take first, United States MD graduates who have graduated at the top of their MD classes called 'AOA' or Alpha Omega Alpha. . The top residency training programs and hospitals, as this video doctor says, in America, are MD programs at MD medical schools. If you look at any list of top hospitals in America, they are all MD or allopathic training hospitals with medical schools which grant an MD . This Hasan Minaj joker, as an Indian or Pakistani, probably knows some people who were interested in medicine and found this out for him, and he made it into a cheap joke. All the Ivy League hospitals and medical schools are MD institutions. Sorry about the facts.
Thank you for sharing this! Very informative!
No problem!
Super important topic Dr. Parisis!! Awesome video.
Thx Arvind!
There are good doctors from any program and in any specialty and not so good doctors. As a medically complex patient I've both seen a lot of DOs as well as MDs. Some of the best and most noteworthy great experiences have been with DOs to the point that I was already planning to call to compliment the care and then later found out they happened to be a DO... and some of my worst have definitely been with MDs in specialties. But that being said, not all DOs have been the best ever, some have just been okay and I wouldn't want them for regular care... and I also have plenty of MDs who have sought out extra training and gone above and beyond to be some of the most important doctors on my team.
I am well aware of the bias in places like my Tier one teaching hospital against DOs, but I find it sad and ironic that often they have been some of the best problem solvers and far better providers for medically complex patients on average. But that being said the person is FAR more important than any letters. If I'm flying blind, I pick a DO (and I do prefer one who knows and practices OMT because for me it is a game changer!), but I rarely fly blind these days. Good doctors know good doctors, and complex patients talk. My whole philosophy has changed to not caring about which doctors have the most accolades especially with the most famous people they treated, but who has the best record helping the sickest and most complex patients. Those are the doctors who will be there for us when we need them -- so MD or DO, it's all about the attitude, resilience, and yes that whole emotional competence is part of it. I've been blessed to meet so many amazing doctors, and I'm alive today because of it. None of them will get international awards for their great work, but they definitely have helped shape some amazing patient centered care for us. In my city OMT is greatly increasing in demand, so I don't know that the stigma will maintain forever.
As you said, the person is far more important than the letters
@@drparisis Absolutely -- keep up the DO "fight" (which in my experience is just a lot of really decent people bringing decent patient centered care to just fight that stigma).
Also on the choice between the two docs, definitely the latter! Patient care is more than your scores
100%
I have been to enough MDs that say what I have can't be treated to know that it is time to do something different..
Love it thank you !
Hi Dr. Parisis! This was so helpful. I am a Cali native - have been accepted into a DO school in Utah and still waitlisted for an MD school in Cali. I am also interested in radiology and researching my prospects and getting accepted into a radiology residency back in Cali if I get rejected from the MD school. Im looking at an uphill climb. Your channel has been so helpful in my planning and I have gleened that I should: get the best grades possible, get the best exam scores possible, take USMLE exams in addition to COMLEX, start building my residency “story” by showing interest in my desired speciality thru organizations volunteering and research, get great LORs from my 3rd year rotations, make connections with desired residency programs. Am I missing anything? Thank you!!!!!
For what it’s worth I don’t think it’s realistic for a DO to match in CA for radiology residency
@@drparisis Well! Got into the CA MD school 🤭
So helpful
Thx Paul
Looks like we've got a replacement for Dr. Cellini since he quit UA-cam!
OMT is a scam. The holistic approach is also a scam I’m in MD school and we do the same thing when taught how to speak to patients. Idk, if you can just do MD it’ll make it easy for you when applying to residency trust me. I think only 3 DOs matched neurosurgery.
That’s why I talked about the very real bias against DOs in the video
Lol okay, buddy
@@Mason03423 it’s true lol
Look at the data it’s all published
You’re kidding yourself at this point
My little brother is a DO who matched neurosurgery. He graduated cum laude with a four-year biomedical engineering degree (in other words, he completed a degree in 4 years with good grades that takes most people 5 years to complete), but his mcat scores weren’t as high as he wanted them. He did so much research and published a ton of papers though, through both undergrad and med school, which he said was the only thing that set him apart and made him competitive.
Just because you are a med student doesn’t mean you know how to interpret data
Well they are not exactly equal. Usually DO is the plan-B medicine for applicants who couldn't get into an MD school. DO applicants have slightly less competitive MCAT scores and GPAs than MD applicants. More than the numbers, their applications as a whole, are not that competitive for an MD school. Many applicants don't even consider DO schools until they get rejections from MD schools. Most DO schools are not competitive-enough to land them in competitive specialities. So most of them end up in primary care ( still 100% match rate. Yet this is not their dream field). DO schools are easy to start. COCA is so lax on starting a DO school compared to LCME. That's why there are so many for-profit DO schools popping up in the country with so low standards. Finally, that additional "skill" of OMT is just mainly pseudoscience. While MD students learn evidence-based medicine in their curriculum, DO schools fill up their curriculum with this archaic pseudoscience which talks about spirits in the bone, CSF pulsation, cranial manipulation, lymphatic pumping and other BS.
Yes, they are equal. DOs have the same exact privileges as MDs. You have not answered when asked multiple times. Are you a physician? I'm not sure where you get your information. The curriculum at a DO school is very similar to that of an MD school with the addition of OMM.