M.D. vs. D.O. | Allopathic and Osteopathic Medical School Comparison

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  • The M.D. and D.O. degrees will both allow you to practice medicine as a doctor in the United States. However, there are several important differences you should keep in mind when deciding whether to apply to allopathic or osteopathic medical schools.
    Osteopathic medicine was founded in 1874 by Dr. Andrew Taylor Still. Since then, D.O. schooling has gained some momentum - there are now over 30 D.O. schools in the U.S. and they constitute approximately 20% of all medical students enrolled in the United States.
    As for differences, there are several important considerations:
    1) Curriculum
    The curriculum between D.O. and M.D. medical schools is nearly identical, with the exception of osteopathic manipulative medicine (OMM for short). Osteopathic schools require 300-500 hours of additional OMM training on top of the regular science content you would learn during your pre-clinical and clerkship years as a medical student.
    2) Exams
    In allopathic medical schools, you take the USMLE Step exams. In osteopathic medical schools, you take the COMLEX exams. However, the more important difference to note is with regards to getting into the two types of medical schools.
    Osteopathic medical school matriculants have lower average MCAT and lower average GPA than their allopathic medical school counterparts. This means it is less competitive to get into D.O. schools.
    3) Disadvantages of D.O. School
    Unfortunately, the D.O. is not respected to the same degree as the M.D. I believe this comes down to two factors: first, less competitive students, on average, pursue the D.O. track. Second, the pseudo-science surrounding certain practices, like craniosacral therapy, doesn't exactly engender a sense of confidence and competence.
    Who Should Apply to Osteopathic Medical Schools?
    Ultimately, there are 3 good reasons to apply to D.O. schools over M.D. schools
    1) You're interested in OMM
    2) You're going into primary care or less competitive specialties
    3) Your GPA and/or MCAT are low
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  • @MedSchoolInsiders
    @MedSchoolInsiders  5 років тому +196

    Thanks everyone for watching! This seems to be quite the controversial video (by our standards). After referencing several of my own Osteopathic friends and colleagues, we all agreed that everything in this video is 100% factual. In fact, they weren't offended in the slightest (and were confused why some people were), but a few commenters below seem outraged.
    I uploaded an apology video for not handling it more delicately (with even more disclaimers than I already included), but again, this video is 100% factual. Yes, some OMM is great, and some of it isn't supported by science. Yes, it is definitely easier to get into DO schools than MD schools on average. Yes, it is harder to match into hyper competitive specialties as a DO than an MD, even with the residency merger (but only time will tell). It's not impossible, in fact one DO student matched into plastic surgery my year (out of 150+ MD students). Possible, but much harder.
    If you find yourself cursing at your screen, I urge you to consider watching the video again and assessing if anything stated was false or highly biased. My only regret, if I could redo this video, would be to have more disclaimers to avoid the anti-DO and anti-MD clusterf*** that is the comments below.
    "Those who are easily offended should be offended more often.”

    • @ahmedazzawi9950
      @ahmedazzawi9950 4 роки тому +2

      Yo, can you do a video on Podiatry schools?

    • @roia2727
      @roia2727 4 роки тому +10

      I think it was your pretentious voice. That is fact. And no, D.O’s still get highly respected only people with low self esteem like you would suggest so. Get over it your approach was atrocious whether or not you were factual

    • @tristonlilly635
      @tristonlilly635 4 роки тому +2

      Hey Mr. Jubal, I was wondering as you had mentioned this video in your latest release would you be able to do research into a, well very intensive specialty? I am thinking I may not be as academically competitive for an allopathic school, but I may be able to be accepted into an O.M.M. school. I have been rather, fascinated on the specialization of Hematology, would this be an option for a D.O.?

    • @PHILLYMEDIC69
      @PHILLYMEDIC69 4 роки тому +7

      Yes this video is factual but the tone of your voice and the way you presented the video was straight up negative energy (it felt like you were ready to diss anything that's not MD).

    • @brois841
      @brois841 3 роки тому +9

      @@PHILLYMEDIC69 tone and negative energy? As you said, the video is factual and clearly you 'felt' a certain way because you don't like the way the facts are presented? You can't please everyone... I hope that if you're a doctor that you treat with facts instead of feelings.

  • @donaldlewis567
    @donaldlewis567 6 років тому +986

    As a D.O. I never thought too much about the difference - my doctors in my hometown of Philly were D.O.'s so that is what I wanted to be. I applied to both MD and DO schools - got into 2 MD and 2 DO (rejected/waitlisted by 4 other MD - applied to both MD and DO to be safe). Chose the school where my family docs went to - PCOM. I matched at the Mayo Clinic for residency in psychiatry. In over 15 years of practice I have never had anyone show any disrespect towards DOs - maybe I am fortunate. I don't see how the patient would even know. Good doctors are good doctors.

    • @AmbitiousNoodle
      @AmbitiousNoodle 5 років тому +16

      Wow, there are people out there who are going the route I was considering. Donald, I recently decided on going the medical route for psychiatry instead of my originally planned PhD route. I have personally felt a greater connection to some of the DO schools I have been researching, but I have been concerned that pursuing a DO would disadvantage me in attaining a competitive psych residency. Have you experienced any difficulties in pursuing psychiatry as a DO?

    • @donaldlewis567
      @donaldlewis567 5 років тому +39

      Keifer Weiland You will have no problems! I applied for residencies at UVA, UMass, Yale, Mayo and UMinn. Matched at Mayo Clinic - my first choice. Fellowship stayed there but tough choice between Yale and Mayo (got lazy and didn’t want to move for a year :) Bottom line DO was no impediment to residency or your choice in psychiatry :) Good luck!!

    • @Commander-Arcamus-
      @Commander-Arcamus- 5 років тому +11

      Hey Donald a quick question if you’d be so kind:
      I’m a pre med student and did a lot of research into MD and DO and came to the conclusion that DO is “better” than MD simply because in addition to being the exact same thing, DO does even MORE work with OMT. But people still think that MD carries better status. I get why that may be the case when it comes to higher residency match for MD-but I’m interested in General practice (I want to be the jack of all trades instead of limiting my self to one specialty). So given this, am I wrong to think that ironically, DO is better?

    • @laiklovesmusic
      @laiklovesmusic 5 років тому +9

      Good for you, you chose the better of the two. You were taught things m.d.s don't know and think they don't need to know, THATS WHY THEY CANT CURE ANYTHING. Hope you have great success.

    • @laiklovesmusic
      @laiklovesmusic 4 роки тому +5

      @Open Sesame good for you. You must have good morals and a strong enough mind to see thru the brainwashing tactics. I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing I was involved in the deaths of so many people. No amount of money or prestige is worth it.

  • @andrewtaylorstill4452
    @andrewtaylorstill4452 4 роки тому +317

    As the founder of osteopathic medicine, I never taught cranio-sacral therapy. Ya'll have to ask Dr. Sutherland about that one.

    • @andrewtaylorstill4452
      @andrewtaylorstill4452 3 роки тому +39

      @@johncook2820 OMM has sustained me through all these years. I am now but a therapeutic pulse, flowing through the fascia of the internet.

    • @shelleymybelly
      @shelleymybelly 3 роки тому +2

      :D

    • @mik9578
      @mik9578 2 роки тому +6

      😭😭😭

    • @gmed123
      @gmed123 2 роки тому +5

      Glad to meet u here Dr. Taylor... am really honored

    • @kevinyishawu2906
      @kevinyishawu2906 2 роки тому +1

      Dudee😂... I can't believe you ran off to create this account just to question who found Craniosacral therapy. Can't believe some of y'all are falling for it too.
      I mean come on the video said the practice was founded in 1874.. That's like 148years ago😂. And Mr. Andrew Taylor still would probably have to be more older than that

  • @chalpua8802
    @chalpua8802 3 роки тому +43

    My buddy went D.O because he had a 527 MCAT and 4.0 GPA, they offered him a full ride for tuition and discounted room & board. The MD schools did not offer him anywhere close to that in AID.
    He still matched into General Surgery and graduated from his residency this year. He was at the top of his class however, he said the majority of DOs at his school matched into FM, IM and Peds. Radiology is a big one now for them also, people want that work life balance. Some went on to do fellowships but later on. He is finally out of residency hell and got an offer of 350k plus production bonuses in the mid-west. Though he still always works about 60 hours a week minimum.

  • @cashemco
    @cashemco 5 років тому +127

    I went to MD's in the beginning, then after having horrible migraines and only given drugs my husband said he heard about this DO that was amazing. I went to him and he manipulated my spine while talking to me about monkeys. Result migraines gone and I later found out he out he often talked about monkeys to get you to relax. Our whole family switched to him. Best doctor in our area.

    • @Ananvil
      @Ananvil 4 роки тому +9

      The monkey part is optional - but one of the entertaining parts is that OMT was partially discovered by A.T. Still trying to relieve migraines.

  • @darsh4960
    @darsh4960 4 роки тому +48

    that smile from the beginning is haunting

  • @MylesMowery
    @MylesMowery 3 роки тому +64

    DO here that matched interventional radiology.
    For anybody watching this in 2021, I think this is a pretty solid, transparent comparison that is generally true, even now (3 years later.) And while not many DOs match things like plastics, derm, ortho, etc. it does happen every year & the numbers have been growing since the merger. In fairness though, not many MDs match those either; they are very competitive! I think there is still some residual bias, in particular maybe at upper-tier places, but it seems to be getting a lot better. For reference, In my graduating class alone this year, we had 3 IR matches, 1 derm, a couple ortho, 1 vascular, 1 ENT, a couple urology & other great matches at upper-tier places in EM & IM. I can speak from personal experience too that I interviewed at some pretty great programs in the T25 or so for DR (I applied IR & DR.) I think about 80% of our class matched residency programs that were originally ACGME accredited too (even pre-merger this number I think was about 75%.)
    Like anything, there is a spectrum with respect to entrance scores (some DO schools have averages right up there with average MD schools, some less.) My schools’ averages are right up there with the averages of average MD schools.
    With respect to board exams, my school actually outperforms the other MD schools in our region with respect to Step 1 & Step 2CK average scores & we have had about 1/3 of students sit for both COMLEX & STEP.
    And for the OMM stuff... the techniques that overlap with PT/OT I think are great & work excellently. I agree 100% that the craniosacral stuff absolutely has to go. I think OMM overall would be more respected if we just tossed that. Even professors seem aware that it is an outdated teaching with no scientific basis. Outside of that it’s pretty useful & can at least help patients feel a bit better when they walk out the door, ya know? I don’t plan on using it personally beyond with friends/family with minor aches/pains but it is useful for that type of stuff.
    But ya! DO schools - at least mine - do a good job at finding people who didn’t know what they originally wanted to do when they entered college & have all sorts of interesting back stories (e.g. I was in a small touring metal band for a few years & didn’t really try very hard when I first got to college.) They look for people who absolutely have the intelligence to be in medical school but found their passion late in the game. I think this is at least one of the reasons the stats are lower at DO schools overall (another big one being newer DO schools taking lower stat applicants too of course.)
    If anybody has any more questions or anything I’d be happy to help answer some. Feel free to DM! I think MedSchooInsiders did a solid job though like I said above. Just wanted to add some anecdotal info from my experience & maybe add more context to the current (2021) state of things.

    • @kushalnellore1588
      @kushalnellore1588 2 роки тому +2

      Hey, I recently got into a DO school. I want to match into DR, but I've also been thinking about IR. What do I need to do to stand out and match even if I do attend a DO school.

    • @kingtrevi
      @kingtrevi 2 роки тому +2

      i know this is late but what DO program did you attend? i live in texas so i’m looking at TCOM UIWSOM and SHSU, two relatively newer programs so a little scared it might be difficult matching into IR

    • @alex47927
      @alex47927 Рік тому +1

      What DO programs have the best USMLE scores?

    • @MylesMowery
      @MylesMowery Рік тому +1

      @@kushalnellore1588 an overall balanced app is the best app. Solid scores, grades, preceptor assessments, maybe a little research. Never forget your hobbies. Have a life outside of medicine & let it show on you app a bit. 75% of my interview questions were about my music background.

    • @MylesMowery
      @MylesMowery Рік тому

      @@kingtrevi the school you attend doesn’t matter a lot, it’s your application that matters. You can build a strong application at any school you attend. Anecdotally, this isn’t really something that’s ever talked about in the rank meetings I’ve been a part of (for both diagnostic & interventional where I am). You could argue that older schools have a larger alumni network though which can help get you connected to programs you’re interested in if an alumnus is a resident or attending there though.

  • @justtoolit6051
    @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +140

    Both MD Doctors and DO Doctors are great. Osteopathic Medical students are going into tough residencies and with the merger between MD and DO residencies soon, there will be less of a gap. Both take tremendous time, studying and effort to become. I know DO students who have gone into tough residencies such as, General surgery, Orthopedic surgery, Radiology, Ophthalmology and much more.

  • @DrAdnan
    @DrAdnan 6 років тому +205

    I don’t think this was intending to put DO schools down. I was considering going the DO route myself, but ended up going the MD route for a few of the reasons listed.

    • @OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro
      @OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro 4 роки тому +6

      Peace be to you Adnan! I considered DO back in 93'. My ego wouldn't let me apply b/c of what this young man is discussing. Ironically, I became a Physician Assistant in 00' and eventually, earned a Doctorate of Health Education from A.T. Still University in 2012. Life is interesting.

    • @DrAdnan
      @DrAdnan 4 роки тому +2

      Omar Abdul-Malik DHEd, MPAS, PA-C Peace be to you! It is interesting how life plays out!

  • @EstherJHKim
    @EstherJHKim 6 років тому +246

    I'm currently going to a DO school, and there is more to OMM than mentioned in the video. Although the thought process behind applying pressure to the skull changing the CSF circulation sounds very absurd, OMM is great for MSK issues like back pain. It's not just cranial. Also, if you look at most sports med doctors (even in the professional league), I would say a good amount is DO (not sure of the exact number). (Also, not all schools teach cranial OMM because it takes a lot of experience to master it apparently) I wouldn't use OMM in my practice to help someone with a lung carcinoma, but if I encounter a pt with back pain or shoulder pain, OMM is a great way to alleviate the pain. I'm not trying to bash on this channel. I'm actually a huge supporter but just wanted to clarify.

    • @mcmjr405
      @mcmjr405 6 років тому +5

      EstherJHKim there’s a place for both approaches.

    • @omerfawadrauf7369
      @omerfawadrauf7369 6 років тому +9

      Very well said.
      The best thing about OMM is the simple and basic things that can provide immediate relief to almost everyone.

    • @mcmjr405
      @mcmjr405 6 років тому +4

      EstherJHKim OMM is very similar to chiropractic. They both were developed around the same time. Though every ancient advanced civilization has had comparable practitioners from back walkers to the bone setters of the Aztecs and Mayan people. Even Chinese medicine uses practices like acupuncture.

    • @johnhogue9402
      @johnhogue9402 6 років тому +13

      Med School Insiders it doesn’t seem that you understood her comment. She was saying that, while the original explanation of craniosacral therapy might be ridiculous, it can still be effective at relieving pain. You seem to be rejecting the therapy based on how people explain it, which is a silly reason to reject something. Even if the only reason it helps someone is because it’s relaxing, it can still be useful.

    • @johnhogue9402
      @johnhogue9402 6 років тому +1

      Michael - honestly, not a whole lot. The approach is a little different, the way they asses the patient is a little different, and the way they think about it are different, but they do many of the same things using similar techniques.

  • @seraphinemoncada5371
    @seraphinemoncada5371 6 років тому +96

    I think it also has to do with how little known DO's actually are! I had no idea they existed until just 3 years ago, and I'm almost 23 and pre-med!

    • @aprilfeatherkile9252
      @aprilfeatherkile9252 3 роки тому +3

      I am 72 and was delivered by an osteopath. I volunteered in an Osteopathic hospital. As a student nurse I attended a hospital program. Never saw the difference except the osteopaths were great with necks and backs. I had the feeling that the DOs were looked down on by the MDs. Once I got into the Navy---no difference. I had no idea who did what. The specialty residencies were no different for anyone. I guess I am still partial to the DOs because of orthopedic needs

    • @SejalInManhattan
      @SejalInManhattan 15 днів тому

      That is changing. I see more and more DOs at hospitals. I prefer them over MDs quite frankly because their approach is more holistic. I know surgeons who are DOs. My obgyn who delivered my babies was a DO. All doctors. Same education and training as MDs but more of a holistic approach which is what modern medicine needs imo. All provided excellent care. The ER doctor who take care of my daughter last month was a DO.

  • @marclindblom9562
    @marclindblom9562 3 роки тому +72

    The 2 best Physicians I’ve been associated with have been DO’S

    • @theboldengroup7369
      @theboldengroup7369 3 роки тому +3

      Facts...it is simply a new versus old rule of thought

    • @ablondyne
      @ablondyne 2 роки тому +3

      As a patient, I agree.

    • @SejalInManhattan
      @SejalInManhattan 15 днів тому

      I agree. I know surgeons who are DOs. My obgyn who delivered my babies was a DO. All doctors. Same education and training as MDs but more of a holistic approach which is what modern medicine needs imo. All provided excellent care. The ER doctor who take care of my daughter last month was a DO.

  • @calejandro4075
    @calejandro4075 5 років тому +135

    DO trained physicians are equally competent in patient care. The tone of the video implied that MD’s are superior because of they don’t use OMM and the incoming DO students have lower GPA’s on average. I’ve worked with a DO in oncology who was incredible. I wish there were more physicians like him. There should be caution in trying to frame DO as less desirable or easier, especially with the 2020 merger.

    • @jimziemer474
      @jimziemer474 2 роки тому +3

      I don’t think the lower GPA is statistically significant. I do think that the lower MCAT is more significant. That said, I think the tests only help,determine who will be successful in school, not how good of a physician the person will be. My only real concern is the OMM seems like voodoo medicine to me.

    • @SejalInManhattan
      @SejalInManhattan 15 днів тому

      I agree. I know surgeons who are DOs. My obgyn who delivered my babies was a DO. All doctors. Same education and training as MDs but more of a holistic approach which is what modern medicine needs imo. All provided excellent care. The ER doctor who take care of my daughter last month was a DO.

  • @Kwippy
    @Kwippy 2 роки тому +9

    DO schools could eliminate the stigma by simply ditching/disavowing the pseudo-scientific components of their teaching

  • @johndudzinski4663
    @johndudzinski4663 2 роки тому +16

    I once was told the difference between a DO and an MD is that DOs had fun and friends in college.

  • @JoseFernandez-fs5cw
    @JoseFernandez-fs5cw 6 років тому +4

    I would love to see a video comparing teaching institution vs private practice medicine. Thanks for making content to consistently!

  • @jayrollo1352
    @jayrollo1352 4 роки тому +241

    All ya'll haters need to chill. Jubal is just spiting facts.

    • @Jesse-fd5bv
      @Jesse-fd5bv 4 роки тому +6

      ok but he do be spitting fax doe

    • @SH.17
      @SH.17 4 роки тому +1

      EXACTLY

  • @Zahra-Mousavi01
    @Zahra-Mousavi01 6 років тому +3

    I love your honesty thank you!

  • @jodipencek5680
    @jodipencek5680 4 роки тому +108

    Would love to hear your thoughts about going the PA route.

    • @MedSchoolInsiders
      @MedSchoolInsiders  4 роки тому +37

      It’s coming

    • @nathanieljackson8951
      @nathanieljackson8951 3 роки тому +5

      Thank god! your facts and video’s really opened my eyes compared to any stats or advice I’ve been given elsewhere.

    • @lth1228
      @lth1228 2 роки тому +1

      I am a PA and have been practicing for 12 years. I am considering going the DO route.

    • @AfroMedic
      @AfroMedic Рік тому

      @@lth1228 Hi, I just applied to PA school, but I have always wanted to do Orthopedic surgery. I’m thinking of doing Med school after PA school since now the MCAT is very hard for me. Even with my 3.82 GPA

  • @Elizabeth-eg8lv
    @Elizabeth-eg8lv 4 роки тому +3

    Single accreditation (happening now - 2020) and regional specific preferences for residency/practice (especially for non-traditional applicants) are important topics to consider when choosing osteopathic vs allopathic medical school. (There are well-known regional preferences for DO applicants in residency). Furthermore, non-traditional students/applicants changing careers are generally preferably considered by osteopathic med schools.

  • @cb2465
    @cb2465 6 років тому +95

    Isn't there a residency merger occuring in 2020 though?

  • @carter5548
    @carter5548 4 роки тому +16

    DOs also have a slightly different philosophy with a more holistic approach to medicine. They also seem to be more non trad friendly.

    • @theywalkinguptoyouand4060
      @theywalkinguptoyouand4060 3 роки тому +1

      Yep. Unfortunately, medicine isn't a philosophy, it's a science.

    • @dr.pakalupapito6015
      @dr.pakalupapito6015 2 роки тому +9

      @@theywalkinguptoyouand4060 But the philosophy led to many systemic changes within the science of diagnosis. Thoughts matter.

    • @QuranwithRain
      @QuranwithRain 2 роки тому +7

      @@theywalkinguptoyouand4060 But a person isn’t just science. You have to remember, you’re treating a human being, not a disease.

    • @1polonium210
      @1polonium210 Рік тому

      I trust DOs more than MDs for primary care.

    • @alexism7800
      @alexism7800 Рік тому +1

      @@theywalkinguptoyouand4060 Medicine is holistic. Allostatic load, lifestyle, and overall wellness should be taken into consideration when evaluating health and the MD approach is far too focused on treating observable symptoms instead of creating the root causes of illness

  • @BceltsRayRAy20
    @BceltsRayRAy20 6 років тому +154

    The stigma around DOs is still around but it’s quickly disappearing. The general public doesn’t know that DO students have lower gpa’s or MCAT scores so I doubt that’s the reason.
    A DO told me that he thinks the stigma comes from DOs originally going to school for one year less than MDs. OMM is probably a part of it but because there is more of an emphasis on preventative/wholistic medicine patients feel that it’s a bit hokey when they’re suggested to change lifestyle habits instead of just taking a pill.
    Also the MD and DO programs residency programs are merging. Going to a DO school doesn’t make it harder to land a good residency a program. The association comes from the lower scores on boards (that are rising).
    The two programs are much, much more similar than they are different.

    • @DrDreams23
      @DrDreams23 6 років тому +18

      RR3Demos hahahaha this guy is a joke. Trolling soooooo hard. What are you making up for man?

    • @DrDreams23
      @DrDreams23 6 років тому +10

      RR3Demos I don't need to argue. I know you're compensating for your own deficits online. Why would I argue. I'll be making as much money as an MD. It's just entertaining to watch you try so hard. Baahahahaha. Also sucks for you if you even are a med student at Drexel. You gonna have to work around DOs! Hahahaha. Also I'll matching into an MD program. So I guess MD residencies suck?

    • @BceltsRayRAy20
      @BceltsRayRAy20 6 років тому +28

      RR3Demos I’m sure there are both DOs and MDs that aren’t tremendous practitioners but to counter your point, where are your arguments? A good MCAT and GPA do not mean someone will be a good doctor, no matter their classification. That’s why schools look for well rounded applicants. There is much more to being a good doctor and getting a good residency than just scores.

    • @BceltsRayRAy20
      @BceltsRayRAy20 6 років тому +2

      Med School Insiders I apologize for this being rather one sided. I didn’t mean to imply MD’s don’t recommend lifestyle changes/search for the root of a problem over going for a “quick fix”. Additionally, I said some things more bluntly than I wish I had but I do believe that nowadays a DO and MD the same scores and extracurriculars would be evaluated the same by a residency program.
      I felt that some things were missed. I don’t have a problem with your criticism of OMM but I am curious what your reasoning is for having a hard time believing that cranial sacral therapy could work. I don’t know the specifics of the treatment but the body works in crazy ways, so who knows.
      But I digress, another good video, thank you.

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +14

      Osteopathic Medical Schools are still extremely difficult to get into. A great gpa and mcat is necessary, along with the rest of the usual resume that is required for MD schools.

  • @bernie9564
    @bernie9564 4 роки тому +8

    Hello! Thank you for the video. What is your opinion on a student attending D.O. school and taking the USMLE step exam. If they do well, are the chances improved for matching into desired residencies?

    • @learnneurology8858
      @learnneurology8858 3 роки тому +2

      MD always has slightly more chance to match to a competitive specialty. Doesn't mean DO can't.

  • @DrDreams23
    @DrDreams23 6 років тому +68

    In 2020 there will be no DO or MD residencies. They will be applying to the same residencies. All physicians MD or DO will be applying for the same residencies that will be under the AGME.
    Also, both MDs and DOs treat the whole person. Please stop saying that's all DOs do. I know several MD preceptors that are into treating the patient as a whole. The only difference people are the initials behind the name. And the extra tools of omm in the bag.

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +4

      DrDreams23 this is facts

    • @jamesandonian7829
      @jamesandonian7829 5 років тому +9

      I found this video annoying biased

    • @katedubrouskaya9509
      @katedubrouskaya9509 5 років тому +6

      @Bernie Sanders except MD students will need to take the COMLEX to apply to DO residencies, so they would have to learn OMM, I don't see any md student doing that any time soon

    • @incorrectstuffthingy5647
      @incorrectstuffthingy5647 5 років тому +1

      @Bernie Sanders well then, DO's have to step their game then.

    • @currayZlittleazn
      @currayZlittleazn 4 роки тому +2

      Kate Dubrouskaya Med student applying for match this year. DO residencies do not require COMLEX in place of USMLE or OMM training. At least not at any of the programs I applied to.

  • @StudentDoctor-oq2bo
    @StudentDoctor-oq2bo Рік тому +5

    As a student at a DO medical school I have seen and heard the stigma against DO’s. At the end of the day, they are both physicians who are trying to do what is best for their patients. They both learn the same information (with the exception of OMT, which is a topic for another time), and they both take similar exams. DO’s actually end up taking more board exams (the USMLE and the COMLEX). This doesn’t make their path harder or the MD’s path easier, as there are probably other hurdles that MD’s must do through their medical education. I do feel as though the stigma that is against DO’s comes from the idea that DO schools are “easier” to get into. At the end of the day, yes, MCAT scores and GPA’s are probably lower for the average DO student then the average MD student. However, I personally do not believe that these are good measurements for how good of a doctor you will be. Do they matter, absolutely! I think they do indicate how well of a test taker you are, and odds are, if you scored well on the MCAT, you will probably do pretty good in med school. This is becoming a lot longer of a comment then I had anticipated but I just want to finish by saying, at the end of the day, go to the doctor that YOU are comfortable with. Don’t worry about the two letters after their name, if you like them and more importantly, trust them, then go to them. Its that simple.

    • @SejalInManhattan
      @SejalInManhattan 15 днів тому

      The stigma is starting to recede. I see more and more DOs in hospitals. I know surgeons who are DOs. My obgyn who delivered my babies was a DO. All doctors. Same education and training as MDs but more of a holistic approach which is what modern medicine needs imo. All provided excellent care. The ER doctor who take care of my daughter last month was a DO.

  • @j572y479
    @j572y479 2 роки тому +40

    I think there needs to be an update to this video as a lot has changed. The biases/misconceptions are slowly dwindling. It’s increasingly becoming very competitive to get into DO schools, and lesser proportions of DOs are now matching into primary care and going into more competitive specialties.

    • @davidausterman5915
      @davidausterman5915 2 роки тому +1

      Totally agree.

    • @biancadesousa
      @biancadesousa 2 роки тому +6

      Dr. Mike was good at creating awareness for DO doctors until he was at a yacht full of people while maskless in the middle of a pandemic.

    • @ibaadkhan2932
      @ibaadkhan2932 2 роки тому +1

      A number of DO schools have GPA/MCAT averages similar to those of low-tier MD schools.

    • @j572y479
      @j572y479 2 роки тому +2

      @@ibaadkhan2932 my comment wasn’t about numbers. GPA and MCAT are only a fraction of the requirements needed to be competitive, so I won’t just look at that. Most schools take a holistic approach and a lot of folks with a cumulative GPA of 3.5 get into top tier MD and DO schools. It’s not just about the numbers but the degree of competitiveness of an application and eventual matching into competitive residency programs around the country.

    • @ibaadkhan2932
      @ibaadkhan2932 2 роки тому +1

      @@j572y479 Numbers certainly aren't everything, but they are important. GPA and MCAT are central to medical school admissions. No matter what lens you apply, attaining admission to any US medical school -- allopathic or osteopathic -- is extraordinarily difficult.

  • @HarpreetSingh-tt3io
    @HarpreetSingh-tt3io 6 років тому +134

    You didn't mention the merger

    • @halimaakter7388
      @halimaakter7388 6 років тому +26

      Pretty surprised he left that one out because it's perhaps the most important detail of the MD vs DO debate.

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +29

      he conveniently left it out

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +36

      Unless you're from the future, its too early to tell.

    • @holyknight9507
      @holyknight9507 4 роки тому +2

      He talks about it in his most recent video so go check it out

    • @amydieca4
      @amydieca4 4 роки тому +3

      JustTooLit hi! im from the future! and it happened. he still should’ve mentioned it as a possibility in the future. he has a very obvious personal bias, but the objective points he makes are good to make your own decisions

  • @morganyoful
    @morganyoful 4 роки тому +2

    Is it advantageous to one of the following if you your GPA is not to standards of allopathic:
    1) apply ONLY to DO programs
    2) apply to allopathic AND osteopathic?

  • @MushafHaque
    @MushafHaque 6 років тому +74

    Ask a patient in V-Fib if he wants an M.D. or D.O. He wants someone who will help him period. From what I've seen, both are equally capable and there's virtually no difference in clinical practice, at all. Stupid debates like these detract from the reality of what our profession is and that is SAVING LIVES. Peace.

    • @jl-vs8ki
      @jl-vs8ki 5 років тому +1

      Couldn’t agree more!

    • @luke53285
      @luke53285 5 років тому +22

      Why are you asking a patient in v-fib anything lol

  • @bballgiant1
    @bballgiant1 6 років тому +35

    Could you touch on the residency merger that is taking place? From what I understand the MD vs DO difference is diminishing when it comes to matching into residencies...

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +7

      Ben it is lol this guy just doesn’t know what he’s talking about

    • @bruceylee8670
      @bruceylee8670 3 роки тому +2

      this merger may relegate DOs to even more primary care specialties

    • @dr.pakalupapito6015
      @dr.pakalupapito6015 2 роки тому +1

      @@bruceylee8670 Clearly did not happen, based on statistics. 98% match rate this year despite pandemic; numerous surgical and other specialty matches.

    • @SejalInManhattan
      @SejalInManhattan 15 днів тому

      @@bruceylee8670 This comment is from 3 years ago. A lot has changed. I know DOs who are surgeons, I also know DOs who work in ERs, my obgyn was a DO. All excellent doctors. It also doesn't matter if it's easier to get into a DO school, this does not make them subpar doctors. There are MDs who are HORRIBLE doctors. It has nothing to do with how easy or hard it was for them to get into med school. Med school itself is academic. Residency and how you perform as a physician while taking care of patients is the gauge of a good doctor. Not their MCAT score.

  • @josephsheranda
    @josephsheranda 2 роки тому +10

    There is still quite a bit of secondary discrimination against D.Os. I found a wonderful osteopathic primary care doctor. When I had a serious infection and was directed to bed rest with antibiotics and painkillers, my employer refused to accept her doctor's letter because she didn't have M.D. after her name and therefore wasn't a "real doctor." Basically her medical practice was equated to homeopathic herbal medicine. I was told a letter from a licensed physician was required or my paid sick leave would be denied. After a lengthy conference call with the freaking state medical licensing board, my department manager finally grew past the ignorance to understand that a D.O. is indeed a licensed physician.

    • @tdtadesse547
      @tdtadesse547 10 місяців тому +2

      that is the most absurd thing i have ever heard..... why couldn't your employer just do a quick google search? look up your DO's license number? so sorry u had to deal with that

    • @josephsheranda
      @josephsheranda 10 місяців тому

      @@tdtadesse547 There are very few D.O.s where I live; most of my colleagues have never met one. There is however, a highly visible community of chiropractors and Chinese-medicine "doctors." The medical leave policy, which still hasn't been revised, specifically states that only a practitioner with a designation of M.D. may provide documentation. Office rumors abound of people who were abusing the leave policy by getting letters from chiros and Chinese herbal doctors, so I assume that's why the policy became so strict.

    • @SejalInManhattan
      @SejalInManhattan 15 днів тому

      This comment is from 3 years ago. A lot has changed. I know DOs who are surgeons, I also know DOs who work in ERs, my obgyn was a DO. All excellent doctors. It also doesn't matter if it's easier to get into a DO school, this does not make them subpar doctors. There are MDs who are HORRIBLE doctors. It has nothing to do with how easy or hard it was for them to get into med school. Med school itself is academic. Residency and how you perform as a physician while taking care of patients is the gauge of a good doctor. Not their MCAT score.

  • @ritahancockmd6673
    @ritahancockmd6673 5 років тому +157

    A word of encouragement to the DO students out there....and a word of CORRECTION to those who bash craniosacral manipulation:
    I am a non-surgical musculoskeletal specialist MD, Cornell undergrad, SUNY Buffalo med school, Baylor for Medicine, then UT Southwestern Med School for PM&R, board certified in PM&R with sub-specialty board certification in Pain Medicine, and I assure you that OMM (including craniosacral manipulation) can be extraordinarily useful tools in pain management. I have been out of MD residency for 21 years, and, in the past twelve years, I have had 800 hours of training in OMM (including craniosacral), taught by DOs and by PTs who learned OMM from DOs. As a PM&R doctor, every work day of my career has involved my assessing the neuromuscular and musculoskeletal systems of my patients in some capacity. I have done over 7000 electrodiagnostic tests ("EMGs"), countless epidurals and other interventional pain management, procedures, a few hundred thousand trigger point injections, and I spend about 60% of my time doing OMM on patients. So trust me, because I know a LOT more about the validity of OMM and craniosacral manipulation than does the MD plastic surgeon who narrated this video: DOs can be great doctors who change lives. If you go to DO school, please take your OMM training seriously. Especially with the narcotic crisis, we need more docs who can heal people with their hands instead of prescribing addictive drugs. Now, go out there and change the world for the better.

    • @thunderlips83748
      @thunderlips83748 4 роки тому +1

      Can you provide any research from a respected journal that shows OMM and specifically craniosacral manipulation works? I have no issue with OMM if people can show me the data but often it's n=1 or not a true scientific study.

    • @chonghunyi
      @chonghunyi 4 роки тому

      Great sharing of knowledge. Thank you, doctor. One question:. My son is starting do schooling this year. One of specialty of interest is pm+r. Is there a site or book about this specialty you know of? So, he can be better informed before the time to match.
      Thank you.

    • @killakel09
      @killakel09 3 роки тому

      Thank you for adding your expert advice to this demeaning and largely incorrect video. I am a DO student very interested in OMM in OB patients. But this video is so full of nonsense from someone who clearly knows nothing about what true OMT is and can do. I truly appreciate your real life experience being shared on this post!

  • @shrishtinarang8650
    @shrishtinarang8650 5 років тому +1

    Well Explained Thanks Soo Much Very Helpful

  • @akadopeboi
    @akadopeboi 4 роки тому +12

    Wouldnt the DO have lower requirments because the MD course has to many applicants vs DO?

  • @juniusong
    @juniusong 4 роки тому +8

    Both seems like awesome pathways 👍

  • @phitsf5475
    @phitsf5475 4 роки тому +22

    5:10 "Now that we've went through the difference between the MD and the DO" The only real difference you told us about their studies was one time some people thought craniosacral therapy was a thing and this may or may not be taught to people on the DO path. Have you a video that goes into more detail comparing the curriculum?

    • @alphaspartan
      @alphaspartan 3 роки тому +3

      Other than OMT/OMM, the curriculum is the exact same. Now every school does curriculum differently, but if you're a DO student and plan to take Step 1 (the MD board exams) you're going to learn the exact same material and take the exact same test. Essentially, DO = MD as far as curriculum, the bias is against the student, as DO stats tend to be lower than MD +90% of the time. But I say DO's rock because if you're not naturally gifted like an MD student, pass the same curriculum AND learn OMT on top of what MD student's are learning, you're a bad ass and I'd be happy to have you as my PCP.

    • @dragonfly8485
      @dragonfly8485 2 роки тому

      @@alphaspartan or that could mean in order to master materials, IQs don't really matter unless it is extremely low.

  • @arie_lovexi
    @arie_lovexi 7 місяців тому +1

    Im planning on joining the military in order to get into medical school for Osteopathic medicine. Becoming a Flight Surgeon in the military is something what i dream on being, and i soleheartly wish to be one when before i turn 40 because i know that medical school takes years to complete

  • @pjz96
    @pjz96 Рік тому +1

    I don't really feel strongly about going to DO or MD but I will say every doctor I've had that I loved, I knew they were DO before even looking at their suffix. They seem to prioritize whole health even in the ER whereas the MD's tend to ask me a few questions then prescribe serious medication shortly after even if I dont really need it. It's very strange.

  • @imcrazyforwar
    @imcrazyforwar Рік тому +1

    I wonder if the look down on DO is going to change since the councils are merging now into one unit for accreditation.

  • @sethnesmith6091
    @sethnesmith6091 4 роки тому +2

    Jubal IF YOU COULD take in to account the amount of objective results from either a DO treatment or a MD treatment dependent on and equal to to each patients problems, which do you think would have more practical/positive outcomes.
    Love your videos! Working on my undergrad while I’m in the army than getting out to go into medschool. Thankyou for your knowledge!

  • @DavidHindin
    @DavidHindin 6 років тому +23

    Really interesting - I didn't know a bunch of what you've explained about D.O. school. You always do such a great job breaking things down in your comparison vids, man👌

  • @gwynyong
    @gwynyong 6 років тому +15

    This video gave me information of being a D.O which I’m aiming at! Thank you so much.

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +5

      Nam Thần this video gave you misinformation

    • @gwynyong
      @gwynyong 6 років тому +2

      JustTooLit I’m collecting information and compare them so misinformation maybe useful somehow.

    • @dr.g.k.chilupe9479
      @dr.g.k.chilupe9479 6 років тому +4

      Hello! I'm a rising third year medical student. This video did not do a great job at all honestly. Let me know if you have any questions!

    • @gwynyong
      @gwynyong 6 років тому +1

      thank you so much.

  • @Brandotopia
    @Brandotopia 6 років тому +20

    Love the vids, considering D.O. school and would be interested in more of these videos. Thanks.

    • @DrDreams23
      @DrDreams23 6 років тому +4

      Brandotopia if you're more interested in a DO school. Reach out to a DO.

    • @Brandotopia
      @Brandotopia 6 років тому +6

      I have some D.O. and M.D. Surgeon colleagues I'm talking to right now, learning as much as I can.

    • @DrDreams23
      @DrDreams23 6 років тому +3

      Brandotopia absolutely. It's the best way to go. I've rotated at MD programs and DO programs and we are in the same boat (MD/DO) we all were on the same rotation.

    • @Brandotopia
      @Brandotopia 6 років тому +1

      Your saying D.O. is the best way to go?

    • @DrDreams23
      @DrDreams23 6 років тому +3

      Brandotopia I'm saying either way it doesn't matter. I have friends who have matched into plastics, gen surg, ENT, and many more. All MD residencies. My MCAT was a 33 and GPA was 3.76 and I chose a DO school. You could easily choose either way. Either way it doesn't matter and either way medical school sucks lol. My most important factor was $$$ of medical school. I also forgot to add. Several times my MD counterparts ask for spinal manipulation after long shifts or working out and lifting. No one ever said oh your a DO. No one gives a crap once your a doctor either. Not everything depends on the initials behind your name.

  • @TheInvisibleTruth100
    @TheInvisibleTruth100 6 років тому +27

    I am a second year DO medical student and I do have to say that times are changing where people actually seek out osteopaths as their physicians rather than MDs. MDs represent the old school way of practicing medicine and many people have grown weary of less than satisfactory encounters with their doctors especially in the primary care fields. As DOs we are instinctively taught to use our hands to diagnose, something that you would be hard pressed to find in an MD physician. I would say we are more skilled in PE from that 500 hrs of extra practicing on each other, we already know what normal feels like on patients well before stepping into a clinic. From a patients perspective this is actually appreciated as being more thorough. We have a lot more hurdles to bypass bc we have to take both boards and we are learning an entirely separate curriculum alongside traditional medicine, but once you’re in practice, theres no such difference. I personally feel like this distinguishing label shouldn’t exist and only those who are interested in specializing in osteopathy should have to learn about it to this depth however being a DO i dont feel any less of a doctor than if I were an MD.

  • @uchechukwuukachukwu6274
    @uchechukwuukachukwu6274 6 років тому +6

    Please do a video on the DPM degree

  • @slapto
    @slapto 6 років тому +38

    NEGGED! But seriously, this came across as slap in the face to DOs. You made it sound like if you aren’t good enough for an MD you can do DO. Some of us are choosing to go the DO route

    • @crimansizers5840
      @crimansizers5840 5 років тому +5

      What made you pick DO? ( I ask this seriously- as I am curious, not trying to "bm" you)

    • @diananguyen2904
      @diananguyen2904 5 років тому +10

      The majority of DO students would not be able to get accepted into MD programs with their grades and test scores, end of story

    • @getthegoods420
      @getthegoods420 5 років тому +3

      I know 2 people in DO school and that literally why they went to DO school. They couldn't get into an MD school

    • @prettycatfat
      @prettycatfat 5 років тому +3

      I have 4.0 and DO sounds interesting, so speak for yourself kids!

    • @dreric98
      @dreric98 5 років тому +10

      @Bernie Sanders Degree doesn't matter. It's what you do after med school that counts. Calling DOs second class is a huge slap to the face to that entire community. Just because you go to an MD doesn't mean you're guaranteed more success than a DO, grades don't mean anything in the real world.

  • @marcoschagas9646
    @marcoschagas9646 Рік тому +1

    What's the difference between OMM and Chiropraxis??

  • @ilovereborns4ever
    @ilovereborns4ever 6 років тому +25

    Something that you forgot to mention is: “The Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) announced that by 2020, all MD and DO residency slots would be combined under a single accreditation system”.

    • @halimaakter7388
      @halimaakter7388 6 років тому +9

      Lol no clue why that was left out. That's incredibly important.

    • @DrDreams23
      @DrDreams23 6 років тому +9

      a hal seriously. Shows how biased the video was.

  • @tay3103
    @tay3103 3 роки тому +4

    I had questions about the differences when it comes to certain specialties. How hard is it to become an anesthesiologist or pathologist as a D.O. compared to getting matched into these programs as an MD?

    • @NO1xANIMExFAN
      @NO1xANIMExFAN Рік тому

      not hard at all. anesthesia and patho are not considered competetive specialties.

  • @hamzababli678
    @hamzababli678 Рік тому

    So basically I can’t even a cardiologist with a DO I have to be MD in order to get in cardiology residency? I’m confused

  • @jonlock5705
    @jonlock5705 6 років тому +7

    Awesome video as always! I come back to your channel because you provide a completely honest and transparent view of the medical field. It is unfortunate, but there really is a difference between how DO's and MD's are perceived, and their opportunities to match into certain programs/specialities. Dr. Jubbal, does the allopathic program you attend make a significant difference for matching outcomes in competitive programs?

  • @sawayakichizuru6667
    @sawayakichizuru6667 5 років тому +1

    Can you make a video about IMGs too?

  • @sophiac1173
    @sophiac1173 4 роки тому +1

    If you are looking to become a general practitioner and do family medicine would DO be a good option?

  • @kemunapeace2441
    @kemunapeace2441 5 років тому +4

    As a chronic pain patient, I can assure you that lack of osteopathic learning makes a helluva difference. My allopathic pcp was struggling to figure out what specialists to send me to because of my atypical symptom sets. While she was so much better than the other doctors because she incorporates wholistic physical science, when I began seeing her my understanding of my symptoms were greatly improved. However, she was learning from me because my research wasn't limited to what allopathy finds respectable. I was able to make connections that her training had caused to disconnect. However, when she finally referred me to a chiropractor, I finally began to experience treatments that both alleviate my pain and explore causation. Because of that, my chiropractor makes much better specialist references. She is more knowledgeable about biological system connections and helped me to pinpoint the actual problem areas. The improvements in my well being and health are clearly marked. Together with my allopathic doctor and personal research into natural form medicines, Im doing way better than any patient who took up the allopathic doctors recommendation of pain pills, because they don't know anything about preventative, nor nutritional medicine and pain pills exert the liver and kidneys with ongoing use. They don't cure anything at all. Allopathy hasn't dominated political "reputation" organically. Politics doesn't work that way.... So glad that more people aren't setting for the pills then die medicine anymore. Calling allopathy competitive while celebrating less understanding. In exactly what realm does this competition exist, but it clearly doesn't challenge medicine to do better for patients. I wish people who were pursuing healthcare just for status, money, and competition were weeded out in the education process instead of encouraged. They mess everything up.

  • @filipinofoodspulutanatibap3076
    @filipinofoodspulutanatibap3076 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much

  • @OceanAce
    @OceanAce 6 років тому +1

    What's better for Rheumatology in your opinion: DO or MD?

    • @DrDreams23
      @DrDreams23 6 років тому +5

      Oceanjal they're both the SAME! same training

  • @toddaustin2198
    @toddaustin2198 4 роки тому +3

    Please do a video on the D.C. degree, or maybe not if you bash on Chiropractic Manipulation as much as you did on OMM in this one.
    I'm glad to say that my Doctor of Chiropractic has saved me from 4 upper extremity surgeries in the past 2 decades!
    Prior to me discovering chiropractic care, an M.D. butchered a foot surgery on me at the age of 22. He accidentally cut the nerve to my big toe and I've had arthritis in that toe now ever since.
    Thus I'm not a fan of surgery unless I feel it's absolutely necessary. For neuromusculoskeletal issues, I always see my D.C. first nowadays.

    • @MedSchoolInsiders
      @MedSchoolInsiders  4 роки тому +3

      Maybe I will do a DC video ! Thanks for the suggestion

    • @toddaustin2198
      @toddaustin2198 4 роки тому +1

      @@MedSchoolInsiders
      Yay! YW, Doc. TY for your prompt response.

  • @androtawfik5130
    @androtawfik5130 3 роки тому

    I heard that some people may be biased against do in residency but it is slowly going away. In the er where I work at, the last two medical directors are do’s. Patients don’t care either if the physician is md or do and probably many don’t know/care about the difference.

  • @Spanishfutbol2010
    @Spanishfutbol2010 3 роки тому

    How much would your chances of matching into something like Opthamology if you took the USMLE as a DO and you have a good USMLE score?

    • @johngrey1074
      @johngrey1074 3 роки тому +2

      Very difficult but possible.

  • @MisterTutor2010
    @MisterTutor2010 2 роки тому

    What does a DO DO? :)
    Being serious my impression of the MD vs. DO is that it doesn't make much of a practical difference to the average patient. It seems like the DDS vs DMD comparison.

  • @horsecrazed01
    @horsecrazed01 6 років тому +95

    This seemed extremely biased and you failed to mention the residency merger that eliminates the separate residencies for DO and MD. You also failed to mention the tenets of osteopathic medicine...
    1.The body is a unit; the person is a unit of body, mind, and spirit.
    2.The body is capable of self-regulation, self-healing, and health maintenance.
    3.Structure and function are reciprocally interrelated
    4.Rational treatment is based upon an understanding of the basic principles of body unity, self-regulation, and the interrelationship of structure and function.
    Osteopaths seek to treat the disease or illness rather than treat the symptoms. They take a more holistic approach, but in the end they are still doctors licensed to practice medicine just like any other doctor in the US and the discrepancies between the two degrees are slowly diminishing.

    • @robertkurd107
      @robertkurd107 6 років тому +32

      So are you saying that traditional aliphatic medical schools don't believe that the body is a unit, and that the body can self-heal? That's absurd. You're making huge generalizations. You also say that osteopaths treat disease rather than just the symptoms, ALL doctors do that. A holistic approach to medicine is not specific to osteopaths, and you're bashing medical doctors with illegitimate information. Maybe DO school is right for you, since you can't even count to 4 properly...

    • @horsecrazed01
      @horsecrazed01 6 років тому +14

      Robert Kurd I don't know why you are incapable of talking in a civil manner. I am in no way bashing medical doctors in my comment nor am I saying allopaths don't believe in any of the osteopathic tenets. I was simply stating what osteopaths emphasize. Also, yes, osteopaths do place a larger emphasis on a holistic approach than their allopathic counterparts.

    • @horsecrazed01
      @horsecrazed01 6 років тому +12

      Michael - the stigma may be present in the medical community, but it is not held by the general public. Most people do not even know when they are seeing a DO at the doctor's office because the continuity of care and training between the two degrees is virtually the same.

    • @dr.g.k.chilupe9479
      @dr.g.k.chilupe9479 6 років тому +1

      THANK YOU. I was almost going to share this. Good thing I watched this before.

    • @teaismyatp
      @teaismyatp 6 років тому +1

      Agreed!

  • @ewhays
    @ewhays 4 роки тому +11

    As both a CNA and an EMT I have noticed a difference between MD and DO in one specific circumstance, trauma medicine. I have noticed that SOME MDs will often will ignore the report of pre-hospital providers full stop, where as the DOs I have given report to tend to listen better. I think it comes down to DOs having to work harder to get respect from PTs and other staff that may not see them as fully competent compared to an MD. Not bashing on either, I've worked with absolutely fantastic MDs and stuck up DOs, but just sharing an experience from someone who has a different perspective on the topic.

    • @taylorbarney1772
      @taylorbarney1772 4 роки тому

      emkarlstad DOs seem more humble on average due to the stigma. Great doctors on both sides. I wish the DOs would drop the quackery/stop naming their schools ridiculous names and move forward. Another huge factor that people don’t talk about is the difficulty of some demographics getting into medical school based on affirmative action.

  • @bpoole99251
    @bpoole99251 6 років тому +18

    Yeah, so I just went through application process for DO and MD. You are spot on as far as DO schools taking lower scores as opposed to MD. I myself got a lot of love from DO schools and hardly any for MD. I have been in medicine for many years and was hoping my experience in medicine would offset any shortcomings on MCAT and/or GPA, but that is not the case regarding MD schools! In any event I did matriculate to an MD school so I am thankful it all worked out. Thanks for your videos.
    Anybody have any thoughts on Osmosis? Looks pretty compelling to me and worth the investment.

  • @tootsielouful
    @tootsielouful 5 років тому +35

    I love your videos, they have helped me tremendously. However, if you don’t agree with the stigma against DOs you should not contribute to it, which is what I feel this video did. When I applied to medical school I was offered admission to both MD and DO schools and I thank my lucky stars I didn’t see this video when I had to make my decision, because I chose DO and I am so grateful that I did. I suggest that you invite a DO to your channel, that way you have both perspectives and can have a fair comparison and conversation. I would also suggest to your viewers that they should apply to both. It was on the interview trail that I discovered how much more I clicked with one school than another and one style than another and I would discourage limiting your scope out of fear of bias.

  • @TheBalls55
    @TheBalls55 5 років тому +27

    You forget to mention MD schools that accept "donations " for admission. I won't say which school wanted a donation from my family for an acceptence.

  • @ashleyallen8094
    @ashleyallen8094 4 роки тому +2

    I plan on applying to both MD and DO schools, but bc I'm considering Ortho/Sports Med, I'm interesting in OMM. Based on your knowledge, would DO be a better option?

    • @johngrey1074
      @johngrey1074 4 роки тому +1

      Orthopedic surgery residency is easier to match into as an MD, though it's still very competitive. Sports medicine, on the other hand, is a fellowship after family medicine residency, and it's completely doable for a DO.

  • @sherimalik5026
    @sherimalik5026 6 років тому +5

    Make video for usmle step 2 like you did for step 1. Also make vlogs on your vlog channel. Love your videos :)

  • @parth0294
    @parth0294 6 років тому +37

    I dont comment often on videos but I do feel the need to comment on this one. I just finished my 1st year at a DO medical school and while we are all taught OMM, many of us dont really intend to use it. We have licensed DOs that come to our school to teach us OMM but when we actually ask them if they practice it, not many actually do. Its just one of the hurdles that comes with attending a DO school. I can tell you that my goal is to be a doctor to help people, if I have to learn some OMM while getting there, its fine. But to say that DOs are any less competent or lesser doctors than MDs is just plain ignorant and bias. I encourage those of you that think this to actually meet a DO and see if theres any difference than an MD. Im glad Med School Insiders is very open on the discussion about this (check pinned post) and that while initially presented as some biased in the video, he addressed it so thank you for that!

  • @Cbabyperk
    @Cbabyperk 6 років тому +7

    Interesting. One of my ortho surgeons is a DO... maybe it depends where you’re from

  • @emanuelvazquez6492
    @emanuelvazquez6492 4 роки тому +3

    It sounded like you were saying people with MD's are superior and you should've taken a more unbias approach
    whoever is reading this Dr. Mike does a great job at explaining the differences in his video "MD or DO: What's the difference and which is better"

  • @ms.gordon6533
    @ms.gordon6533 4 роки тому +5

    I'm not a medical student but from reading the comments and watching this video, some of you kinda don't get the true essence in being a doctor it's all about us the patients,we really don't care which school you attended and what path you choose to become a doctor as long as you care about us and make it your duty to provide the best treatment as possible. I admire doctors that really care about their patients they will go beyond to ensure the best for their patients. Too many time I visit the doctor and instead of talking to me and try to understand what is wrong with me they just want to hear my symptoms so they can just write me prescription which treat rather than cure don't get me wrong I've come across doctors that listen to me and provide the best cure they even suggest how I should take of myself so the issue do not reoccur, too much person become a doctor just for the pay and how prestigious it sounds to say you are a doctor hence why I'm happy that medical school is difficult.

  • @nater88dawg
    @nater88dawg Рік тому

    Success is based on the small decisions that are made daily!

  • @MegKrish
    @MegKrish 6 років тому +5

    So interesting, in New Zealand, where I previously lived, ostepaths do physical manipulations for MS reasons but are not dr's. In NYC where I now live, I've seen a number of osteopaths who advised they were dr's aswell which greatly confused me, but this explains it very well. I have a feeling that osteopaths being doctors is unique to the USA, although I could be wrong. Anyway great video👍🙂

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +6

      MegKrish well they are doctors of osteopathic medicine (DO) in America. They aren’t the classic osteopaths, rather they are doctors with the same exact courses and training as MDs

    • @dr.g.k.chilupe9479
      @dr.g.k.chilupe9479 6 років тому +2

      same in Europe! Osteopaths are not physicians. Interesting! Here students like me will become full blooded doctors.

    • @hahahano2013
      @hahahano2013 4 роки тому +6

      Late reply, I apologize. I'm a DO student in the US and thought I could clear this up. DOs have nearly exactly the same training as MDs with additional coursework as stated in the video. However "osteopaths" outside of the US do not have this type of training. "Osteopaths" outside of the US would be called "chiropractors" within the US.
      It's an easy mistake to confuse Doctor of Osteopathy with a chiropractor if you're not used to terminology used in the US; both use physical and manipulative medicine, but many of the techniques are extremely different. Furthermore, chiropractors (osteopaths outside of the US) are not trained in medicine, and do not follow the same course trajectory as MDs.
      The similarity in naming to the international "osteopath" is unfortunate because most of the world simply does not understand the difference between an osteopath and a DO, and it is a contributing factor as to why American MDs have international practicing rights while DOs frequently do not, regardless of the nearly identical curricula.

    • @alberto7ocampo7afc
      @alberto7ocampo7afc 4 роки тому +3

      @@hahahano2013 Well said, I would also add that as more countries become aware of the difference between their osteopaths and American trained DOs they are extending more practicing rights to American DOs

    • @brownuncle7180
      @brownuncle7180 3 роки тому +1

      DOs are NOT osteopaths. This is something that the world needs to know. DOs are Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine who goes to medical schools listed in the World Directory of Medical Schools and goes through ACGME (MD) residencies of all medical specialties to become physicians. Foreigners need to educate themselves before trying to judge doctors.
      DOs are unique to the US. Osteopaths are found everywhere in the world. Clear?

  • @Asyouart
    @Asyouart 3 місяці тому

    Any time anybody immediately dismissed another practice? You have to suspect their motives.

  • @iamtherepairguy
    @iamtherepairguy 4 роки тому +13

    I am a D.O., now working as an attending physician for 6 years now. Before, during, and after college graduation, I was on a F-1 student visa. There were 3 allopathic medical schools who interviewed me. Saint Louis University, SUNY Upstate, and NYMC. I didn't get into any of them. I got the idea of applying to D.O. schools, when I noticed a Japanese citizen student on F-1 visa, who gained acceptance to a D.O. school. I did gain acceptance into a D.O. school. Going to St. George's was not even an option, as a F-1 student, in my case. During medical school, I definitely felt the discrimination and distrust from allopathic residency programs in competitive specialties and competitive academic locations, during my elective sub-internship rotations and residency interviews. I would say MBBS/MD graduates from foreign countries (India, China, South Korea, Japan, UK, Australia, Germany, etc) were more competitive than me for these residency interviews. One interviewer even told me so. I had the double trouble of getting a US residency as someone who needed a visa sponsor, and being a D.O. My medical school had a residency program which said they would accept me and sponsor my visa. But, I wanted to go somewhere better for me. I thankfully matched into an allopathic, non competitive specialty in 2009. I even managed to do 2 fellowships. Looking back, I note that my school still relies almost entirely on students paying tuition. It's expensive. There is no cheap, affordable D.O. school. Except maybe Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine, but only for Michigan US greencard/citizens. I later learned from financial planners/insurance agents who market to medical residents, that D.O. graduates on average carry more debt vs US allopathic school graduates. I paid over $50,000 per year, and I graduated in 4 years on May 2009. There will probably never be a RCT to prove that OMM is clearly evidenced based treatment for a specific medical condition. The results vary so much on individual variation and skill. To note something ironic, I developed chronic pain in my right rib next to my spine, and below my right shoulder. The reason? A D.O. classmate did the Kirksville crunch on it, many times. I suffered with this pain for years. He and D.O. attendings told me, it's my studying posture. Funny, I never had the pain before. As of 2016, I no longer have this pain. So, OMM can hurt you, or it can help you. Not surprising, everything has a beneficial and adverse effect. D.O. students must miss out on something for spending so many hours on OMM. They do. They don't get class time on analyzing medical journal articles, doing clinical or laboratory medical experiments. I personally know no D.O. Ph.D.s. The D.O. physicians who I know of who are recognized for landmark medical clinical trials, sought extra training elsewhere, and always at an allopathic institution. Residency, fellowship, NIH. Our class valedictorian matched into an allopathic academic Urology residency, in a small town. I note that there are many new D.O. schools in rural America. This is wrong. I know they surely rely mostly on students paying tuition, and I know the students rotate far away from school or in small hospitals they have never heard of themselves. I know they are trying not to do primary care. Some of these schools are for profit. The federal government should regulate this from getting out of control. When I graduated in 2009, even the last ranked student had a residency spot. I'm not so sure that is true now in 2019-2020. With the ACGME merger, D.O. students will lose spots overall, and their protected D.O. only radiology, ophthalmology, ENT, urology programs will be lost. You speak facts, but I think your tone is sort of a problem. What are you saying about allopathic US medical school graduates who do a residency in a community hospital, with D.O. graduates and Caribbean MD school graduates? There is one advantage for D.O. graduates over Caribbean MD school graduates. I believe there is a way for the US military to compensate for the D.O. graduate's medical school debt (and of course the allopathic US MD graduate's medical school debt), but not for the Caribbean MD school graduate.
    I also note that my school's 2 teaching hospitals were not academic centers. They were 2 community hospitals with several residency programs.
    It is an uphill battle for the D.O. graduate.
    Lastly, I note that some in similar situations as myself, returned to my home country of birth, graduated from medical school there, and returned to the US for medical residency.

  • @kaitlynkilpatrick36
    @kaitlynkilpatrick36 6 років тому +17

    Please re upload with less bias and more facts/features of DO like the MERGER kthx

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 6 років тому +1

      Agreed

    • @breea07
      @breea07 6 років тому +3

      Do you guys not realize the merger is going to hurt DO students? If DO students can’t have residencies specifically for them, it will be harder for them to get residencies when competing with all MD students.

  • @tayya7371
    @tayya7371 2 роки тому

    When l had my sciatica the only person who could help me was a highly skilled osteopath but when my sciatica came back 2 years later his and other treatments wasn t helpful .
    Desperatly l went to a Reiki treatment and the person made it desapear with one treatment .
    So it would be nice to be respectful to others with their treatment modalities like the Craniosacral therapy that you think it is a Craquery

  • @RGrant2504
    @RGrant2504 5 років тому +3

    This video is inaccurate in some areas. So to clarify the errata:
    DOs do not have to take the USMLE to enter MD residencies. Some residencies will prefer the USMLE but that is entirely based on the individual institution. The vast majority of MD residencies accept COMLEX. And, the American Medical Association (AMA) took an official stance last week that both COMLEX-USA and USMLE are both equivalent exams in assessment. It will be interesting to see what this merger brings about in terms of board exams.
    The DO degree won't hold you back much these days. Yes, there are some residencies that still refuse to take DOs for whatever reason. But this video makes it seem like DOs don't have options for great residencies which simply is not the case. In fact, a lot of top programs take osteopathic candidates. For example, the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic, which are ranked as the number 1 and number 2 hospitals in the United States for 2018-2019 according to US News and World Report, both take many DOs for their residencies (and I am not talking about their small community hospital affiliates). Now obviously there are more MDs than DOs at Mayo and CC, but that's because there are far more MD schools than DO schools creating larger numbers of competitive applicants.
    The GPA and MCAT gap between allopathic and osteopathic medical school matriculation is closing each year. If you look at average DO schools and average MD schools, their scores are about the same. If you look at prestigious MD schools and prestigious DO schools, the difference is larger.
    I agree that if you want to go into a competitive specialty such as derm or plastics you may want to pursue the MD degree over the DO degree. I also agree that craniosacral therapy should be thrown out of curriculum for osteopathic schools. It is mostly taught for heritage, but it honestly has no place.

    • @YogiYarnham1709
      @YogiYarnham1709 4 роки тому +4

      My DO schools average for my year was a 511 MCAT and a 3.7 GPA. It also titters between 6000 applicants each cycle and having the Top COMLEX scores for DO schools in the nation AND requires all students to sit for the USMLE step 1.
      Class of 2016 placed 17 people into ortho and 3 into Derm. I've never seen a year where less then 5 people matched Ortho. Why anyone would choose a subpar MD school compared to a focused DO school who thrives on getting their students into competitive residencies is beyond me

  • @ladygrace7585
    @ladygrace7585 4 роки тому +1

    I would be fine going to DO school if it came to that, but I just don't believe in the body manipulation stuff. But I would never be against being treated by a DO

  • @HunterlynnCook
    @HunterlynnCook 4 роки тому +2

    I’m not American or a doctor student but I agree with a lot of these comments about this just sounds like you’re bashing one and holding another one to a pedestal because you took it the idea is they are the same thing only one has extra because some people do believe that those practises still work. I also have a feeling that if it wasn’t best practice they wouldn’t still be allowed to practice it.

  • @aakashsheth8907
    @aakashsheth8907 6 років тому +1

    Why go into DO when you are ultimately planning to join MD residences?? Why not just wait another year, get good MCAT scores and apply to MD schools? Or if you have chosen to go to a DO school, why not just stick to it and practice osteopathic medicine? Combining the two doesn’t make any sense, and the general public might be at a GREAT disadvantage considering they don’t know, in most cases, whether they are going to traditional MD doctor or a DO doctor.

    • @pjbadgersuw26
      @pjbadgersuw26 6 років тому +1

      Every year you take off is another six figures of income you lose in your life. Also, most people don't know exactly what type of medicine they want to practice before going to medical school, and many of those who think they know end up changing their minds after getting some exposure.

    • @jkaur0326
      @jkaur0326 6 років тому

      The general public will be at a great disadvantage when they're being seen by a Caribbean trained doctor but that is still allowable to some extent. Osteopathic medical students get the same curriculum as MD + extra hours of OMM like he mentioned in the video. There are a great deal of DO medical students who take USMLE and COMLEX if they are seeking a MD residency. With the merger, there will be more seats available to US MD grads. With DO's taking MD residency spots, there are always unfilled DO spots which can now open up to MD students post merger. But I really hope these spots don't go to Caribbean IMG's. IMG who went to school in their native countries come from credible institutions but not Caribbean.

    • @nathan_2780
      @nathan_2780 6 років тому +1

      +Aakash Sheth Please don't listen to Jaspreet Kaur. This is a troubled person that I called out the other day because they feel the need to spread lies and belittle the Caribbean because he/she suffers from insecurity issues. There are 13 United States curriculum based Caribbean schools that are accredited by the WFME. This person can't do rigorous research and could have taken the MCCEE and USMLE to try to match back into their native country Canada but this person is to self absorbed. I can tell now this person is extremely uneducated and bitter because he/she is an Canadian IMG DO.

  • @thefenerbahcesk4156
    @thefenerbahcesk4156 6 років тому +11

    I think DOs and MDs have interesting differencs, but they're still pretty much the same. That being said, I would never do a DO because they're limited overseas and they still carry a somewhat negative stigma residency wise.

    • @alberto7ocampo7afc
      @alberto7ocampo7afc 4 роки тому +3

      This is because some foreign trained DOs are not the same as American Trained DOs. They're more akin to chiropractors but the places that are aware of this disparity give DOs full-practice rights.

  • @kateking6078
    @kateking6078 4 роки тому

    Would a pulmonologist do best with MD or DO?

    • @johngrey1074
      @johngrey1074 4 роки тому

      There are pulmonologists with MD degrees and pulmonologists with DO degrees. You can become a pulmonologist with either degree. You would graduate with your MD or DO, then complete an internal medicine residency, and then do a pulmonology/critical care fellowship.

  • @basilbabymathews8176
    @basilbabymathews8176 3 роки тому

    Can physiotgerapists become DOs

  • @rakibrana1126
    @rakibrana1126 2 роки тому

    European osteopath i means NUMSS Do is a medical doctors but he can't prescribed medicine and surgery but also work hand

  • @isida509
    @isida509 3 роки тому +6

    Get an MD degree and then become an orthopedic surgeon. Congratulations! You are now both MD and D.O.

  • @Wiley224
    @Wiley224 3 роки тому +4

    From someone who went to a DO school. Don’t go to a DO school. Find a way to go to a US MD school

    • @worldsavior2543
      @worldsavior2543 3 роки тому

      Why

    • @johngrey1074
      @johngrey1074 3 роки тому +1

      @@worldsavior2543 Because it makes life way easier. DO should only be an option when US MD isn't.

    • @davidausterman5915
      @davidausterman5915 5 місяців тому

      That is silly. If you are a good student then either is fine. If you are a good resident then it also doesn’t matter.

  • @Saveren_
    @Saveren_ 4 роки тому +2

    What about those MD schools with lower requirements for admissions?

  • @AmyStylinson
    @AmyStylinson 5 років тому +19

    I don't really see how manipulation is not legit. Isn't it similar to chiropractic work?

    • @micahshook6422
      @micahshook6422 5 років тому +15

      Osteopathic manipulation is legit. Where many fail is in their explanation of the mechanisms by which they work. Also, we use techniques that are scientifically proven to speed recovery and reduce pain. Some of our techniques overlap with physical therapists and chiropractors, but that doesn't mean we use all of the same techniques... just some. In addition, we (at least, most of us) know when to use them. This is most important. As a physician, you must know when a treatment is indicated. Those that lose sight of this hurt the rest of us. Unfortunately, it happens... but, it happens with MD's too. Why do you think the opiod epidemic is so bad? Clearly someone wrote all those inappropriate prescriptions, and they weren't all DO's.

    • @Zodayer
      @Zodayer 3 роки тому

      @@micahshook6422 excellent comment.

  • @jimmyiggy5937
    @jimmyiggy5937 4 роки тому +4

    Every DO I know couldn't get into an MD program and didn't want to go to Mexico or Caribbean for school.

    • @1polonium210
      @1polonium210 Рік тому

      How many do you know? One? perhaps two?

  • @AhmedElsayed-vg1ti
    @AhmedElsayed-vg1ti 3 роки тому

    can Md doctor study omt and practise it without entering DO school i googled it and didnt find specfic answer

    • @shirleytrenche7852
      @shirleytrenche7852 3 роки тому

      Hi! I’m actually a medical student at a DO school. No, MD’s cannot practice OMM (even if they learn it on their own) since they are not licensed to practice it.

    • @h.d.mcconaha5452
      @h.d.mcconaha5452 3 роки тому

      Yes, MDs can learn and practice OMM. Some MDs have pursued post-graduate training in osteopathic neuromusculoskeletal medicine after better understanding its usefulness. For those unwilling to invest in an extra fellowship and board certification process, there are a plethora of conferences available that focus on developing proficiency in certain osteopathic techniques. A medical license allows a physician to legally practice the entire breadth of medicine and surgery in the United States--this includes OMM.

  • @GabrielSilva-ot9yi
    @GabrielSilva-ot9yi 3 роки тому

    I laughed so hard at 1:56 „Sike“

  • @Low_pH
    @Low_pH 6 років тому +9

    Definitely applying to both.

    • @halimaakter7388
      @halimaakter7388 6 років тому +3

      Good luck!

    • @Low_pH
      @Low_pH 6 років тому +1

      a hal thanks!

    • @hi-mj5oi
      @hi-mj5oi Рік тому

      @@Low_pH did u get in

    • @Low_pH
      @Low_pH Рік тому +1

      @@hi-mj5oi yes I'm a 3rd year medical student right now

    • @hi-mj5oi
      @hi-mj5oi Рік тому +1

      @@Low_pH im proud

  • @OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro
    @OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro 4 роки тому +3

    Peace be to you! Thanks you so much for sharing this with us! I've been a medically licensed Physician Assistant for twenty years. I've always worked with the underserved in adult primary care medicine. I earned a Doctorate of Health Education from A.T. Still University and was fascinated with Dr.Still's background and paradigms! There is a PA-to-DO program at Lake Erire College of Osteopathic Medicine that is 3 years. I think it is a great opportunity for experienced PA s who would like to become Physicians.

  • @ericn6440
    @ericn6440 4 роки тому +16

    Let me preface by saying I'm a DO in an ACGME psychiatry residency. I would say this video is accurate. I would also say that to get into an ACGME residency it is not always necessary to take the USMLE. I'm sure this was addressed in a previous comment, but didn't feel the need to read through the barrage of hurt feelings. I would like to say that this video (along with many other videos on this channel) are very helpful to future medical students in deciding their path. Controversial or not, these videos are a great source of information and are questions I had heading into medicine as well. Thank you very much for making the path a bit more clear.

  • @worldsavior2543
    @worldsavior2543 3 роки тому +4

    Oh come on Dr. Juubao you have to do better, give D.O’s the respect they deserve

  • @mariloulapid1330
    @mariloulapid1330 2 роки тому

    Is osteophatic doctor the same to orthopedic dr? I am from Philippines.

    • @daveyjones3016
      @daveyjones3016 2 роки тому

      No. They sound similar by orthopedic doctor is a specific type of doctor can be MD or DO.

  • @samdung5630
    @samdung5630 4 місяці тому +1

    Osteopathic manipulation fixed things in my body that nothing else did.

  • @jackjust9020
    @jackjust9020 3 роки тому +1

    Is either more challenging than a PhD program?