"Batman humbles the Justice League"??? - Martian Manhunter, The Flash, Superman, Green Lantern - "Hold our beers and this ass-beating, Bruce" roflmmfao. 🍻👊💥🤕
Batman couldn't even humble *OWLMAN,* so how in tf could he ever possibly hope to "humble" the *entire* Justice League??? Hell, Superman and Wonder Woman have already humbled Bruce far more times than he *ever* did *them* (as if he even could anyway) and they're just two examples of him getting his rich, nocturnal ass humbled by the Justice League themselves.
@@harmless9336 na the speed force tends to be what it’s read as. Now one of the Flash villains, Professor Zoom or whatever, controls only his time frame, so the ice wouldn’t work on him.
@@samuelflipaclip7415 yeah but he typically carries around a tiny ring that can hold his entire costume so some emergency boots don’t seem out of the question. Plus he knows Batman and Cyborg, it’s not like the mf couldnt special order some jays that have cleats in them at the push of a button. Sure he’d be slower but it’s better than not doing anything at all.
@@artyd42 Now there is a question that has to be nigthmare fuel for the Justic League. The single most paranoid member of the Justice League with the possible exception of The Question and a nere unlimited budget.
@@Hollowmello1285 well for one thing the fact that they didn't even assume that he already had contingency plans for them was on them especially since telling him the details of the plan in any regard would also just be a negative and make the plans less likely to work and beyond that they should be evaluating their own weaknesses and flaws to try to figure out what other enemies might use against them anyways so that's really on them as for the mutant registration Act, what causes Days of Future Past with poor implementation of Technology as well as simply just a poor implementation of how that law should have been installed because yes, everyone with a mutant power should be required to be registered but until the Prejudice die down due to the natural increase mutants were going to have through the population, they should have waited until majority of the population were mutants to start making it more public about what each person's mutant power was registered as in a similar vein to my hero Academia and just because of the sheer nature and unpredictability of superpowers, there's always going to be issues with how that sort of thing turns out and in no way will it turn out smooth but at bare minimum there are things that should be done whether you fully agree with them or not
What’s actually ridiculous about this isn’t all of Bruce’s contingency plans, but that the Joker could mind control all of the Justice League. That’s just unbelievable, they really put Joker over in this scenario. Almost any member would be near impossible for him to get to.
Like where did he stick that kryptonite fluid in, like did he have that on him while injured, also what kind of robot can move faster than flash even if the computer fast enough Also wonder woman slamed hit to the ground and broke the floor, so you telling me he still have any back bonnes that aren't broken? Edit: 00:21
It wasn't so bad back in the 60s and 70s when everything was played for a laugh and the "serious" stories (the O'Neil Batman run) were well-segregated from the goofy stuff. The current tendency in is to have absurd scenarios portrayed with high drama. It's like taking pro wrestling seriously. Or watching Underdog and worrying about the cliffhanger. The great and under- read Martial Law pretty much puts the zap on this pretension, and it's nice to return to it from time to time.
Yeah but the diffrence is that Superman wasn't truly evil and Batman still tought he could be saved after Nightwings loss he just kinda quit for a while and returned but by that time the entire JL was on supes side and he had a giant army he had super villains on his side and the batcave was taken over. This left Bruce with nothing as his only weapon to defeat superman was locked away needing hand prints from league memebers THAT JOINED SUPERMAN and after the heroes became even more powerfull and batman became weaker yeah.
In Injustice's defense, it's kinda hard to build or access effective counter-measures when the villains are your friends who know your identity. Ya know, because then they can freeze your bank funds and already know where several of your secret bases are. The fact that Injustice is even still alive after that long is just a testament to how good Bats is at adapting on the fly and hiding when he has little to nothing to work with.
@@Hyperdragon1701 I still find it funny that the writers *had* to canonically make Gotham so cursed and evil that nothing Bruce does whether it be philanthropy or crime fighting, will ever make Gotham better. Because let's be real, there's almost no other way to keep Gotham being awful with all the blood sweat and money Bruce is probably pumping into it.
@@Fen_Fox In my opinion that's probably one of the reasons that The Joker hasn't been given the death penalty. The corrupt lawyers of Gotham always find a way to bail him out. In addition to that even IF they killed Joker we now know that it wouldn't have mattered. As there is an entire cult of Jokers and MANY of them HAVE died via their own inventions. Or were permanently paralyzed by Batman. If a Joker ended up killing or paralyzing themselves. They would just replace him with another maniac while being led by the three most iconic Jokers behind the scenes.
Funny thing about that. In the trailer for the Justice League vs Godzilla vs Kong comic it is indicated that Batman has a giant suit to fight things as big as the Titans...Why? No idea. And they say Ironman has an obsession with suits...
It's super interesting that it doesn't matter how overpowered the Flash is supposed to be- he can move in time and change it, think at relativistic speeds, manipulate kinetic energy to deliver hits with the mass of the earth (or more) and whatever bs the writer in turn wants him to do, to the point that his powers are no longer about speed but subatomic manipulation, YET he can still be casually defeated by any opponent making him slip.
still called a speedster at the end of the day...and anyway the writers can do literally whatever with literally any character...and we've seen it so many times
Speed is extremely powerful but it's also an extremely simple physical property, which means if you have the right approach it's very easy to counter, especially since Flash isn't exactly a world class physicist
One thing I've always loved is how Wonder Woman is the one league member that batman can never actually fight. She's nearly as powerful as Superman, is a better fighter than batman, and has no obvious weaknesses like kryptonite. His only option has always been to just redirect her attention at something else, like fighting Cheetah endlessly in her mind.
Exactly she shouldn't even be affected by the toxic since she's literally half-God and even if that didn't work she has her lasso and incredible will power same with flash he could just phase thet shit out of him and superman shouldnt even be affected by earthly illnesses or toxic same with aqauman only one I see getting infected would be Batman cyborgs green arrow all of the regular humans members etc.
@BaliUchiha yeah no, that has always been a bizarre trope of hers that has never made any sense whatsoever. She gets thrown through buildings and entire cities basically every saturday. You mean to tell me while she's going through those buildings that a piece of rebar wasn't at the right angle to pierce her torso? Plus, there have been several instances in the comics where she gets shot, and it bounces off. It would make no sense for her to be able to get stabbed when she has survived nearly any other form of damage thrown at her.
I love the concept of Batman using gas pumped though the sewers to spread a hazing gas throughout Gotham as a grand- scale contingency. It’s so big and paranoid that only Batman would come up with something like this. And we always love to see it work.
@@AdmiralStoicRum He gets all sorts of nifty ideas from his villains. I mean the smoke worked so well to evacuate the city *because* Scarecrow has used chemical attacks in Gothan before.
@@AdmiralStoicRumThat's the point, his contingency plans are rssults of both him and his rouge gallery ideas. He just need to reinforce his villains scheme and it would be perfect as a plan for him to use. Learn and adapt is what Batman built up from.
The fact it gave Lex Luthor cancer after long-term exposure in many different series but Batman never gets that in any series is a huge oversight. I kind of want to see how Batman would approach having Kryptonite the moment he knows it can cause cancer over time when it's told to Luthor.
I think that`s clever. Think about it superman has beaten red son and Kryptonite enemies before. just having kryptonite isn`t good enough, you need to be clever about it otherwise you will be insulting superman as a character.
Yea it's ridiculously dumb, I get that he doesn't expect the suit to work on superman so he has that in there as a last ditch effort... But why fucking gum lol. Like surely just a kryptonite gun or anything else, what are the chances you'll be within fucking spitting distance.
You can just know that once everyone has returned to their senses they'll bring up the suit. "Having a suit designed to beat us is a clear violation of our trust Bruce."
Batman's superpower is free time to do anything. He lives in a world with things way too powerful. Paranoia, endless money, dude has to have contingency upon contingency plans. Yeah, plot armor, sure. But make me an infinite money person in that universe and I'd already have red sun satellites taking out Supes as soon as he showed up. And they'd have been set to go off 10 years ago from that far away. Cause I'm Batman.
oh yeah, that's because superman is a gary stue who can ignore his ONLY fucking weakness if the writers want him to. Unless the writers are on batman's side. welcome to the world of comics! they are all pretty damn bad!
00:22 And Bruce is dead (Physiologically, He just a human) ... Broken neck, broken skull , extrem bleeding in or around the brain, brain damage and leaking of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF).
Tbh Batman got lucky if that shit failed to work she would’ve killed him, let’s not get ahead of ourselves she would slaughter Batman in a 1v1 if plot armor was removed from both sides
@@vivaraulito no shit thats why hes a genius tactician, he knows he wouldnt beat many JL members it a strictly hand to hand fight. to take away his ability to form a plan is literally just nerfing batman as a character
@@reedy4519 I said remove his plot armor not his ability to form a plan 🤦🏽♂️ y’all just be saying random shut to start a fight with people y’all don’t even know for no reason like chill we know you ain’t that guy yo ass would get dropped in 5 seconds
The cartoon network justice league show always get a rewatch every few years from me. I think it is time, Lex Luthor and Batman are the best thing to have happened to the DC universe. Its terrible that the cinematic representations never pan out properly, it needs the touch of a lover and a consumer of the general entertainment medium, not a major film maker; it also needs humble artists that are able to put the professionalism on.
No. Films usually dont have a story or action similar to cartoons. It makes everything seem "fake" like an episode of Power Rangers. Batman's plot armor works in cartoony or comic form. With realism, the story is less believable and it comes as bad writing. In cartoon form, people wont question Batman beating the Justice League. With live action writers, this is bad writing since the realism forces everything to be taken seriously
Even Batman dodging Omega Beams in Justice League. That would look bad and not believable with real actors. Cartoons allow easy suspension of disbelief. In live action movies, a stunt from Fast and the Furious can quickly be called bad writing or ridiculous, but it would be cool in a cartoon
@@sumnahlennon5449 No what? You didnt disagree with me once. I think you didnt understand me properly, if you get a big director (like WB seems to be doing constantly) there is never going to be a coherent universe, there needs to be a single "mastermind" and investment in this case is more improtant than credentials. That was my point.
@Juugo211 i dont know what you mean if you meant batman who laughs technically yes since his entire story is the metal series some dont say metal but are definitely a part of it
This reads like a six year old making g up powers to win an imaginary fight "I have anti truth armor, and a super computer so your powers don't work. You plasma vision doesn't work because I have an anti plasma field"
@0:42 You have to respect the level of fear on Bruce’s face. The Justice League is compromised. So, he knows who’s coming, eventually. Frank Miller 101 - when Heroes are fighting, it has to end in a draw.
Okay, using shrink tech to miniaturize and then weaponise red suns is fucking amazing, but isn't that too much even for Superman? I mean jesus christ can't you depower him just with lamps that emulate a red sun?!? Dude should be fucking atomised by a punch that has actual red suns dotting the knuckles.
Red sun doesn't immediately drain his powers. It takes a very very long duration. In some stories it doesn't drain his powers at all, it simply just doesn't grant him energy.
Well red-light prevents him from absorbing yellow light. Which means he just weakens over time. Even still the amount of money and resourced needed for such tech shows us batman is a white villain. He could create sustain no emission food with poison ivy. Nope. Billion dollars for red suns to slow super man not even defeat him
This is like the whole class fantasy fighting on the playground until they all just give up and go do something else because "that one kid" keeps asspulling more and more ridiculous things. "Oh yeah, well I put on a giant invincible suit of armor to defeat you!" "You stab through my armor and kill me...b-but you defeating me is actually just an illusion created by my suit!" "But then it turns out my suit actually has plasma shields that deflect your planet-destroying laser vision!" "But even with my suit gone, it turns out my spit is actually laced with power-draining dust that makes you really weak and stuff!"
I honestly think the Justice League monitors Bruces mental health and whenever they think he's getting too depressed from being a man with no powers in a bat costume who can't even keep a fucking literal clown in check surrounded by demi-gods who routinely fight existential threats capable of ending time and space themselves or starts getting buyers remorse about all the billions he spends on dumb contingency plans that would never work, they all agree to pretend to go rogue, and intentionally lose so that Batman feels better about himself. It's like having a professional gamer intentionally lose when he plays his kid brother.
DC spent the past 40 years making all of their heroes look like complete jobbers whenever Batman is around, then wonder why nobody buys any of their books that aren't about Batman.
@MiddestEdits Batman shouldn't be Ironman. This is just bad writing, if you can't find a way for Batman to beat the Justice League without giving him a Ironman like suit, then you need to rethink your story. Your examples you used to justify Batman having this ridiculous suit of armor is way off base. Ironman using an advance suit of armor to neutralize people is his entire gimmick. Batman is a highly skilled martial artist who uses some tech and good planning to support himself. Power suits are out of character for Batman, it's gratuitous and lazy writing. So this certainly is not an example of "good fictional story telling."
@MiddestEdits I'm not a DC writer, maybe they shouldn't have written the scenario of Batman going against the Justice League if there is no reasonable way for him to protect himself 🤔
@@potatoweaver4116using that logic they shouldn't have buffed all of the justice league to ridiculous amounts of power to make the comics more exciting and just kept them weak. It's so weird to me that people are perfectly fine with every other hero getting buffed to do shit they couldn't before but if it's batman nah its plot armor. They all have plot armor lol.
@@GodsDissapointmentthe problem is that he is normal human in case of other characters who are meta-humans. Another problem is that when all other members go rogue why they attack him one at a time not at once, it simple feels like too much of plot armor. Also prep time is bullshit that feels like a small excuse why he win every time, also also it make him too perfect tothe point of breaking his characters, for example why he has problems with Joker if he can beat kryptonian, demigod, speadster and king of Atlanta at once.
@@GodsDissapointment what are you on? Literally my only point was that Batman having a power suit is dumb and it is. Now about Batman having plot armor I do have my thoughts. Batman does have way more plot armor than any other character. We aren't denying that every super hero has plot armor because they do. However Batman has too much plot armor to the point of being ridiculous. He's doing things and surviving things he has no right too for what his character is.. It's comes off as a looney tunes episode sometimes and I can't take Batman stories like this seriously. Don't get me wrong I love Batman but we should be critical of stories like this that misrepresent his character rather than acting like brain dead fan boys and saying "wow Batman stronk, he beat justice league all at once!"
Lol! Flash moves at 150,000 miles a second. FTL. Batman sprays an entire street with slippery banana peel liquid faster than the flash can react. Thats some FTL speed spray gun ya got there bat douche.
Batman’s Plot armor in action because when three people who know how dangerous you are don’t snap your neck despite being faster than light or at the very least move too fast for even someone with 10 times the normal reflexes can achieve, it is because the authors or plot armor says so.
"supes snaps batman's neck. evil jl kills any other person in the world that might remotely pose a threat. the END in just 10 minutes. no more stories because realistically, noone can defeat those guys. ppl still trying to find logic in fictional characters." see, how stupid you sound?
Batman: Vulnerable mortal using stealth and tactics to efficiently achieve his victory, his mental and physical health deteriating as he tries to save a city that can't be saved. Batman around JL: The kid playing superhero who says 'Nuh uh that wouldn't work cause I have X that cancels your power'
This is a pretty good example of why Batman, slowly but steadily, is declining in my opinion. The Idea of Batman is that a man, if dedicated enough, can become more than the sum of his parts. Bruce has trained himself in everything imaginable, always trying to push his own limits to be something greater. And I think that is a very compelling story. It does not matter if he is a billionaire or what his motives are, that drive to excel and protect others is something we can all relate to and cheer on! But it has become a tired trope that Batman always wins. And I do not mean in a "Well the hero wins of course" way but rather in a "Batman is the best" way. Batman cannot lose. Batman can beat everybody and everything. Superman? No problem. Wonder Woman? Pff, you wish. The entire Justice League? Not a sweat. There is this idea that Batman is always prepared, that he always planned ahead. If you really think about it, even in a comic book universe?.. That is kinda stupid. One of my favorite takes on that idea comes ironically from Bruce himself. As he put it: "You cannot plan for everything. But what you can do is prepare yourself for all kinds of situations. And then learn to combine what you learned and what you can do to succeed." In essence: You do not win because you have a plan for everything, but rather because you're taught and learned so much that once presented with something you could not plan for, you can improvise effectively. And if you think about that, this "Jack of All Trades" idea is far, far better as a story tool and of course as an actual "plan" to combat things. Again, as Bruce put it: "I do not have to bet as good of an archer as Oliver Queen. All I have to be is good enough". For me, that makes Bruce much, much more realistic, and much cooler! He divides his attention, not bothering to master a skill that he does not need. Why does he need to be able to shoot arrows like the Green Arrow? Does he need to be as good a fighter as Lady Shiva? Must his detective skills be on par with the elongated Man? No. But if he takes all of what they can do, just maxes it to his ability, and then puts it together, magic happens. But these days? "Oh, Batman has learned a secret technique that allows him to not breath for an hour while doing backflips, and thus he can beat the evil No-Oxygen-Man". What a load. Hence, why it's so boring to see Batman fight the JLA. Where is the tension? Over years and years, we have now established that it does not matter who you are, God or Kryptonian, Darkseid, or a literal SUPERUNIVERSAL BEING. Batman has a plan and he will beat you. Just like that. He can just pull some device, some skill, some weird plan he conceived once and of course, it works perfectly. Batman has always worked best when you put him in the streets of Gotham, navigating the filth and darkness, taking care of the little person. But now he is going to space, fist-fighting Darkseid or beating up Wonder Woman and Superman. How does that even begin to make sense? Now you might say: "Yeah, well, how could he be a member of the JL if he cannot do that?" For that, I point you to the animated Series. In the animated series, Bruce never left the realm of the humanly possible. But he was shown to be resourceful, smart, and a great strategist. To put it simply: He had a role. He would coordinate attacks, find weak points and then direct others, heavier hitters than him, to victory. He was in a sense the man in the chair. One of my favorite examples of this is when the entire JLA fights robot spiders that seemingly destroy everything. Batman is shot down and is losing altitude fast, his parachute and ejection seat malfunctioning. What does he do? He phones the other league members and requests somebody who can fly to save him from certain doom. At no point we are told that Batman has of course planned to be taken down by robot spiders who also destroy his only means of landing safely and thus has a super jetpack that can shoot laser beams. No, he simply relies on the people he knows will be there and stays calm. Because he knows Clark or Diana will catch him. It humanizes him. It gives him limits. A story cannot be interesting if the character has no bounds, no limits. I long for the days when the Joker was the height of what Batman fights. Now he is the literal center of the multiverse. Batman Metal was essentially a story about how Batman is the most important being in existence. How is that even remotely interesting? Now, before you say: "But Superman". Superman's boundaries are not set by his powers, but by his characters: What can he do, what would be too much? What is the right course with powers like him? It's a philosophical thing rather than a physical or mental one. I really, really hope DC understands this again. I do not want to see Batman fight a robot that is better than him, be thrown out of space, and land without a scratch only to beat up said Robot. That is boring. I want to see stuff that we saw in "The Batman" movie. Batman fights crime on the streets, being a detective, being The Dark Knight. The protector of Gotham City. And not choke out Darkseid with a leg hold. Edit: Because I just realized this, I did not even catch it because this comic is this stupid.. But Batman looked at Superman, a man who can run faster than the speed of sound, is invulnerable, has heat vision, every super sense under the sun, and on top of all that is also probably the most physically capable person on the planet... And his plan was, "I make gum". That... I mean, do we even have to dissect this? His plan against the most powerful being on the planet, a being that could put his fist through his head at Mach 4... IS KRYPTONITE GUM. I mean, there is plot armor and then there IS KRYPTONITE GUM. Jesus Christ. The ways this is stupid are mind-blowing. I mean just think about this: If he has miniature red suns in his battle armor... WHY NOT JUST USE THE KRYPTONITE. It was literally written so Batman could flex on Superman. It is the second most contrived "I AM BATMAN" plot armor idiocy I have ever seen. A story literally constructed around the idea that Batman can beat Superman.. WITH A PIECE OF GUM.
Damn. I was ready to disagree with you but you made an excellent argument. I do prefer bats at street level or "man in the chair" when up against stronger opponents . Hopefully, the newer movies see this and adapt to the animated mind set that worked perfectly.
Batman is the peak of human evolution. It points out how humans are better than God beings and how his suit can stand up to them. Meaning man trumps all. It's why batman will never fall
I mean, you make a good point, but, DC does do that. I'm not a big consumer of comics and the movies but even I remember when he outsmarted darkseid by arming on the bombs on his planet in that one movie. Also, not all the movies and comics are created equally. Different writers, different priorities, different takes on stories and outcomes.
@@lanhikari2464 I hear what you are saying, but in a sense you are exactly making my point. Here is the thing: In that scene, and I am very much aware which one you are talking about, Batman is essentially in the defense. Think about it: Bats has no earthly chance against Darkseid. None. And he knows that. So let's go into his head: What would you do if you face somebody who can squat you like a fly? No chance of winning? You find leverage. You find something that you can use against him. And what does Bats do? He goes for his weapons. Because of course Darkseid would have some. And of course, he would be able to arm them. And then the scene plays out. Now as you said yourself, you are not a great consumer of the comics and stuff, so let me present it to you like this: If this scene had played out in current comics, Darkseid would have shot his omega beams at him, which he would dodge with a backflip all while the Flash cannot outrun them (happened in the comics). He then would hide from Darkseids super senses because he is a ninja (totally makes sense right?), and then, on the fly, would start a monologue about fear. He would then inform Darkseid that over years and years of them fighting him, he not only created a psychological profile, he also collected DNA and in fact has now enough to fool the sensors in his castle. For what purpose, you ask, Darkseid? Well of course so batman can use the recording of Darkseids voice that he just made to attack his security system and then in combination with his voice and DNA, unlock the weapons within 30 seconds to then blackmail him. BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN The writers would quite literally have Bruce talking about how he does this, so you just KNOW how fucking awesome he is. BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN. Or even worse, and they like doing this: Have somebody ask how he did it and he either says nothing, or says "I am Batman". I am not kidding you. That is the reason, the justification, for so much he does these days. "I AM BATMAN" "BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN". And Batman is always the most amazing dude and has a two-foot long magnadick. You can also add a jump kick to it that that puts Darkseid on his ass before Batman pulls the "I control your weapons" line. And if you think I am joking? Ask any comic book reader. That would be 100% in line with DC is doing with the character. Te most basic story level at this moment is at least the destruction of the entire city of Gotham. There is nothing below. No criminals, no drugs, no human trafficking. EVERY STORY is about either about somebody completely destroying "The Mythos of Batman" or just the whole city of Gotham. That is as "Street" as they go these days. So yeah different writer have different priorities but if that is the default way a character is written for years.. Well then it's exactly that: The way people think the character should be. The Default. So no matter what those priorities are, they will at least be held to kinda adhere to that. And that is where it all falls apart. Oh, and then he blows a hole in the throne room, jumps out and makes out with Diana later. BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN
Flash: I can move in ATTOSECONDS (time it takes light to travel between electrons in an ATOM), Travel across time with his super speed, Casually faster than Light even when not trying, His speed makes it impossible to be mindcontrolled... Also Flash: Damn! That computer sure is faster than me and can react to everything I do and also, Joker mind controlled me.. Wonder Woman: Warrior Princess. Can compete with likes of Super Man. Also WW: I sure don't feel this thing on my body that was not here before and batman died too easily. Guess i won. SuperMan: able to compete with Flash to extent in speed, Can hear sound in space, Has Super Senses, Also SM: Damn, Did notice Bruce chewing Krytonite gum and did not see it coming at me in Slow Motion,
Writers. That's all I need to say about the first. Psychology is second. Third is "flair for the dramatic". Lastly, they're not thinking like themselves. That aside, why does everyone only ever think about powers and never how the characters actually THINK? Their thoughts and personalities. Like yeah, they COULD do that, but would they? It's not so simple to just say, "Oh, Superman could just do this and it'd be over." He COULD, but based on his beliefs and values, would he? It's utter ignorance to just blurt out that someone can do something that they might not simply just do on a whim. Lastly, you end up projecting your own thoughts and feelings on the characters.
I like this one, the contingency plans worked out in a less than convoluted way and the suit housed it all, as a way better suit than Bruce used against Superman when Bruse was over the hill and Green Arrow was near by.
You people who write this stuff have no imagination or flair for the dramatic. Neither do you have any idea how psychology works. Nobody is going to think this sh-t at the start.
I've heard some people suggest Batman's contingency plans against his friends and teammates is a betrayal. But, given the risk of what they could ALL so easily become... how could any of them be so reckless as to NOT plan for the worst case scenario?
for me its not the fact that he has the contingency plans (though the virus in Cyborg from the day he met cyborg in Injustice was fucked) Its 1) The fact that he never mentioned it until after his contingency plans were stolen by an enemy 2) the fact that up until recently his contingency for himself was the group of people he had a plan to take down. some may make an argument against point 1. But i'd argue that Batman doesn't have to state WHAT his plans are, just that he has them and he suggests other members of the league make some as well.
@@fairystail11. The fact that they were upset he didn't tell them means they hadn't even though about it, which gives batman an edge since they won't be expecting it, giving up the element of surprise by letting them know he has a plan for each of them is just dumb imo and reduces the chance of any of his plans working. 2. His plans are to incapacitate them individually, if they work together and attack all at once they'll steamroll him.
@@UnknownGamer40464 let's do reverse order cause why not. 2: and an evil Batman should not be a stupid batman. He should be smart enough to go 'hmmm maybe i shouldnt announce im evil and maybe i shouldnt charge them all at once' 1: so only Batman should have plans then? Sorry Wonder Woman. Maybe you would have had a plan if someone suggested it but now Batman and Supes are evil so... get fucked I guess?
While I do think the Justice League is definitely a major part of Batman’s contingency for himself, they’re not the main contingency. That title goes to the Bat-Family, especially Alfred and the Robins. Alfred would be the best chance to use Batman’s emotions to try and reason with him to stop what’s happening. The Robins are easily the best choices if they need to physically attack Batman and counter his weapons, gadgets, and strategies. Batman has trained them so if the time ever comes, they can succeed him. I’d say if Batman has faith that they can become him, then they’re the ones who best know him, y’know?
Get this: it's a superhero narrative. Reality in the books isn't exactly one to one. You just kinda wanna sit back and enjoy the ride for comics like these. They're spectacle, after all.
@@poopmanthe3rd794 Yes but if a story breaks its own rules its bad. Its like saying "Well Titanic is a movie, you are in for the spectacle so who cares if they got saved by aliens and flown to the planet krypton." Because you know... Its fiction. Who cares right?
All of the characters have this. Superman got ridiculously bs powers because of asspull in the first place. Speed Force is absolute bs that never existed in the beginning and they made it up to make Flash more than just some really fast guy. Then they let him traverse time itself, because why the f not? Even if the logic is utter nonsense. You cannot go back to something that no longer exists, the energy is spent, it's no longer there to return to. Back to Supes, he literally has one weakness and any time it's brought up, people b-tch about "omg plot armor!" Aquaman is... well, nobody really cares about him. You have exactly one guy in the JL who isn't some superpowered person and y'all complain when in HIS comic, he actually has ways to fight those superpowered people? Especially when it's been known for years that he has plans to fight them in a worst case scenario? In that case, nobody can ever write a story about this scenario that will satisfy you people, because you'll always project your, "Nuh-uh! (X) can do (Y) so..." Don't even get me started how they basically removed any potential weaknesses from Diana.
@@Maniacman2030superman or any other super characters can be ignored, because they are already capable of the unimaginable, but vatman is still human, he shouldn't be able to beat any of them no matter what...at least not without help from other super powered beings.
@@Maniacman2030 Batman is a human, and has human limitations. Humans don't survive getting pancaked into the cement by demigods. I'm complaining because it's *lazy writing*.
@@Maniacman2030 Also, why be so upset with me about Batman being the only one without super powers in the JL? Maybe it means that this story shouldn't have been told(at least not told in this way). Batman doesn't have to win every fight he's ever been in you know.
Batman has a contingency plan for each member of the Justice League, including himself. But he's also Batman after all, so he must have prepared a plan against his contingency plan, and a contingency plan against his anti-contingency plan. So, the real contingency plan for Batman would be to trap him in the contingency plan creation neverending loop, so he's too busy to do anything else.
Wtf?!? Bruce got speed blitzed by Wonder Woman, slammed face first into the ground, dropped into a fucking tree and fell into the ground, and shook all that off even after what seems like he was still in recovery from a previous battle…is Bruce a meta now or on some body-enhancement drugs like in Injustice?
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Finally someone that posts the links to the comics!
What comic is this?
"Batman humbles the Justice League"???
- Martian Manhunter, The Flash, Superman, Green Lantern - "Hold our beers and this ass-beating, Bruce" roflmmfao. 🍻👊💥🤕
BRO THANK YOU
much respect for this
Batman couldn't even humble *OWLMAN,* so how in tf could he ever possibly hope to "humble" the *entire* Justice League??? Hell, Superman and Wonder Woman have already humbled Bruce far more times than he *ever* did *them* (as if he even could anyway) and they're just two examples of him getting his rich, nocturnal ass humbled by the Justice League themselves.
It never stops being funny that for how absolutely broken the Flash is, his weakness is still slip and slides.
You’d think he’d put cleats on his boots
@@toxiclightning5303won’t that slow him down a bit?
@@samuelflipaclip7415speed force seems to be closer to physics multiplier than speed powers (to my extememly limited knowlage) so doubtful
@@harmless9336 na the speed force tends to be what it’s read as. Now one of the Flash villains, Professor Zoom or whatever, controls only his time frame, so the ice wouldn’t work on him.
@@samuelflipaclip7415 yeah but he typically carries around a tiny ring that can hold his entire costume so some emergency boots don’t seem out of the question. Plus he knows Batman and Cyborg, it’s not like the mf couldnt special order some jays that have cleats in them at the push of a button. Sure he’d be slower but it’s better than not doing anything at all.
Batman “The Justice League is the only way to beat me if I go rogue.” Also Batman beats all the Justice League
There's a reason why the only question you have about who Batman is fighting is "how long did he prepare?"
@@artyd42 Now there is a question that has to be nigthmare fuel for the Justic League. The single most paranoid member of the Justice League with the possible exception of The Question and a nere unlimited budget.
I’m pretty sure the Bat Family is the contingency for Evil Batman. That’s why the Batman Who Laughs killed them first.
There is a reason when Batman goes bad, the world ends. (Batman who laughs)
@@darkdesigns1633 The Question probably does have even Batman beat in Paranoia by spades.
This is why I 100% agree with Batman's contingency plans for the justice league
Bro, Wonder Woman’s bitch tantrum in the movie was enough to convince me.
@@KW-de9scthey didn't have an issue with the contingency plan theyhad an issue because he lied about it
And also why I support the Mutant Registration Act.
@@mirceazaharia2094 you know that shit created days of future past right?
@@Hollowmello1285 well for one thing the fact that they didn't even assume that he already had contingency plans for them was on them especially since telling him the details of the plan in any regard would also just be a negative and make the plans less likely to work and beyond that they should be evaluating their own weaknesses and flaws to try to figure out what other enemies might use against them anyways so that's really on them as for the mutant registration Act, what causes Days of Future Past with poor implementation of Technology as well as simply just a poor implementation of how that law should have been installed because yes, everyone with a mutant power should be required to be registered but until the Prejudice die down due to the natural increase mutants were going to have through the population, they should have waited until majority of the population were mutants to start making it more public about what each person's mutant power was registered as in a similar vein to my hero Academia and just because of the sheer nature and unpredictability of superpowers, there's always going to be issues with how that sort of thing turns out and in no way will it turn out smooth but at bare minimum there are things that should be done whether you fully agree with them or not
What’s actually ridiculous about this isn’t all of Bruce’s contingency plans, but that the Joker could mind control all of the Justice League. That’s just unbelievable, they really put Joker over in this scenario. Almost any member would be near impossible for him to get to.
Like where did he stick that kryptonite fluid in, like did he have that on him while injured, also what kind of robot can move faster than flash even if the computer fast enough
Also wonder woman slamed hit to the ground and broke the floor, so you telling me he still have any back bonnes that aren't broken?
Edit: 00:21
was mentioned at the end its in the suit helmet@@mattimaso7455
It wasn't so bad back in the 60s and 70s when everything was played for a laugh and the "serious" stories (the O'Neil Batman run) were well-segregated from the goofy stuff. The current tendency in is to have absurd scenarios portrayed with high drama. It's like taking pro wrestling seriously. Or watching Underdog and worrying about the cliffhanger. The great and under- read Martial Law pretty much puts the zap on this pretension, and it's nice to return to it from time to time.
@@mattimaso7455 | You slow or something?
did you forget batman is alsmost as durable as captain america? he even kicked and destroyed a tree once with only his leg in a movie @@mattimaso7455
Injustice Batman: spent years trying to beat the justice league
canon Batman: defeats the justice league after being ambushed by them
To be fair he didn't expect villains to help superman
Yeah but the diffrence is that Superman wasn't truly evil and Batman still tought he could be saved after Nightwings loss he just kinda quit for a while and returned but by that time the entire JL was on supes side and he had a giant army he had super villains on his side and the batcave was taken over. This left Bruce with nothing as his only weapon to defeat superman was locked away needing hand prints from league memebers THAT JOINED SUPERMAN and after the heroes became even more powerfull and batman became weaker yeah.
That’s not an improvement. His plot armor is bs.
In Injustice's defense, it's kinda hard to build or access effective counter-measures when the villains are your friends who know your identity.
Ya know, because then they can freeze your bank funds and already know where several of your secret bases are.
The fact that Injustice is even still alive after that long is just a testament to how good Bats is at adapting on the fly and hiding when he has little to nothing to work with.
@ventusargentum9957 plus superman isn't being mind controlled he just lost it mentally
I love how Batman is smart enough to plan around beating gods yet can’t figure out how to fix crime
Well to his credit Gotham is LITERALLY Cursed to be Evil
@@Hyperdragon1701 so,
he can somehow pull cosmic armor out of his patented bat butt h0le,
but he CAN'T whip out a plan to break the curse?
Lame.
@@Hyperdragon1701 I still find it funny that the writers *had* to canonically make Gotham so cursed and evil that nothing Bruce does whether it be philanthropy or crime fighting, will ever make Gotham better. Because let's be real, there's almost no other way to keep Gotham being awful with all the blood sweat and money Bruce is probably pumping into it.
@@Fen_Fox In my opinion that's probably one of the reasons that The Joker hasn't been given the death penalty. The corrupt lawyers of Gotham always find a way to bail him out. In addition to that even IF they killed Joker we now know that it wouldn't have mattered. As there is an entire cult of Jokers and MANY of them HAVE died via their own inventions. Or were permanently paralyzed by Batman. If a Joker ended up killing or paralyzing themselves. They would just replace him with another maniac while being led by the three most iconic Jokers behind the scenes.
@@akadonut8612 Sounds like something a Batman villain would say
And this is exactly why Batman has contingency plans
Funny thing about that. In the trailer for the Justice League vs Godzilla vs Kong comic it is indicated that Batman has a giant suit to fight things as big as the Titans...Why? No idea. And they say Ironman has an obsession with suits...
@@porpus99iron man uses suits every time but batman isn't. only when time comes
@@porpus99 Bruce Wayne with a Mech fighting Kaiju…didn’t you just describe Big O?
Plans, within plans, within plans.
@@stingerjohnny9951yeah, big o is basically batman but his suit is a giant mech
It's super interesting that it doesn't matter how overpowered the Flash is supposed to be- he can move in time and change it, think at relativistic speeds, manipulate kinetic energy to deliver hits with the mass of the earth (or more) and whatever bs the writer in turn wants him to do, to the point that his powers are no longer about speed but subatomic manipulation, YET he can still be casually defeated by any opponent making him slip.
He is a seasonal superhero
To be fair, the video kinda glosses over it, but his plan required Barry to not be moving anywhere near his top speed.
I mean if you wanna stop the “fastest man alive” make it so he can’t use his speed in the vicinity kinda makes sense.
still called a speedster at the end of the day...and anyway the writers can do literally whatever with literally any character...and we've seen it so many times
Speed is extremely powerful but it's also an extremely simple physical property, which means if you have the right approach it's very easy to counter, especially since Flash isn't exactly a world class physicist
"your greatest enemy just freezes the floor and you go flying, you're a seasonal superhero"
I understood that refererence
Common guys... she's a woman!
Me too
Love that video
Who wins in a fight? The answer's always the same
"It's whoever the writer wants to win" -- Stan Lee
100%
which means batman
@@Grunthor17 people like an underdog
Whoever is more popular. And we all know who that is 🤣
@@vjthehandsome5659 lol, lmao even, what about batman gives him underdog status when writers spin on his dick 24/7
One thing I've always loved is how Wonder Woman is the one league member that batman can never actually fight. She's nearly as powerful as Superman, is a better fighter than batman, and has no obvious weaknesses like kryptonite. His only option has always been to just redirect her attention at something else, like fighting Cheetah endlessly in her mind.
Exactly she shouldn't even be affected by the toxic since she's literally half-God and even if that didn't work she has her lasso and incredible will power same with flash he could just phase thet shit out of him and superman shouldnt even be affected by earthly illnesses or toxic same with aqauman only one I see getting infected would be Batman cyborgs green arrow all of the regular humans members etc.
literally had to rely on bullshit magik powah
@@Yanah_bruh the chemical used to make the toxin was from a tainted Lazarus pit a supernatural pool
Piercing objects are her weakness
@BaliUchiha yeah no, that has always been a bizarre trope of hers that has never made any sense whatsoever. She gets thrown through buildings and entire cities basically every saturday. You mean to tell me while she's going through those buildings that a piece of rebar wasn't at the right angle to pierce her torso? Plus, there have been several instances in the comics where she gets shot, and it bounces off. It would make no sense for her to be able to get stabbed when she has survived nearly any other form of damage thrown at her.
I love the concept of Batman using gas pumped though the sewers to spread a hazing gas throughout Gotham as a grand- scale contingency. It’s so big and paranoid that only Batman would come up with something like this.
And we always love to see it work.
You know he stole the idea from scarecrow
@@AdmiralStoicRum He gets all sorts of nifty ideas from his villains. I mean the smoke worked so well to evacuate the city *because* Scarecrow has used chemical attacks in Gothan before.
@@AdmiralStoicRumThat's the point, his contingency plans are rssults of both him and his rouge gallery ideas. He just need to reinforce his villains scheme and it would be perfect as a plan for him to use. Learn and adapt is what Batman built up from.
Batman: Smart enough to keep a kryptonite gum inside his helmet
Also Batman: Keeps a chunk of radioactive rock next to his brain
You forgot he has a cowl on which has layers
didn't Lex Luthor get like cancer for that?
His cowl is lead lined if I recall.
The fact it gave Lex Luthor cancer after long-term exposure in many different series but Batman never gets that in any series is a huge oversight. I kind of want to see how Batman would approach having Kryptonite the moment he knows it can cause cancer over time when it's told to Luthor.
batman chewing kryptonite-gum in front of clark 🤡
Bro that kryptonite spit took it too far 😂😂😂 come on now that’s some next level plot armor
🤣 exactly. if and when all your contingency plans don't work turn to page plot armor for the ultimate backup
And they say Batman has no powers.
It was in the gum..he took out piece gum chewed it and turned the spit in mouth into what it became
I think that`s clever. Think about it superman has beaten red son and Kryptonite enemies before. just having kryptonite isn`t good enough, you need to be clever about it otherwise you will be insulting superman as a character.
Yea it's ridiculously dumb, I get that he doesn't expect the suit to work on superman so he has that in there as a last ditch effort... But why fucking gum lol. Like surely just a kryptonite gun or anything else, what are the chances you'll be within fucking spitting distance.
Kryptonite spit is actually insane
How often is he gonna be spitting at kryptonians to even think about something like that
@@icecreamwaffles1962Kryponite laced chewing gum. For your Kryptonian fighting needs.
Isn't kryptonite radioactive? Like the cancer causing kind?
@@flamelover1746it is
@@flamelover1746 yes but it needs to be prolonged use to get cancer.
You can just know that once everyone has returned to their senses they'll bring up the suit.
"Having a suit designed to beat us is a clear violation of our trust Bruce."
kinda hard to argue against the suit after you already attacked him tho
@@sourlesscream1272 Yes, but that won't stop them from trying.
@@basbarbeque6718stupidly so 😂
Batman used his contingency plans perfectly. 🎉
And that is the only reason he survived. Not discredit him or anything but to highlight how close of a call this was.
Nahh it’s loaded with plot armor for batsy
yeh fr his spit that was laced with kyptonian dust was a lil bs lmao@@Arcad1010
Batman's superpower is free time to do anything.
He lives in a world with things way too powerful.
Paranoia, endless money, dude has to have contingency upon contingency plans. Yeah, plot armor, sure. But make me an infinite money person in that universe and I'd already have red sun satellites taking out Supes as soon as he showed up. And they'd have been set to go off 10 years ago from that far away. Cause I'm Batman.
Superman in his comics can fight through so much Kryptonite radiation, but in Batman's comic, he gets instantly defeated by the smallest bit of it.
headcannon says bruce highly concentrated it to unbelievable levels but i guess we'll never know
@@zacksevememes69that would honestly make a lot of sense, Since this only happens when Batman does it,not Anyone else
oh yeah, that's because superman is a gary stue who can ignore his ONLY fucking weakness if the writers want him to.
Unless the writers are on batman's side. welcome to the world of comics! they are all pretty damn bad!
As stan lee said “whoever writes the comics decides the victor” that an whoever DC mandates win
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00:22 And Bruce is dead (Physiologically, He just a human) ... Broken neck, broken skull , extrem bleeding in or around the brain, brain damage and leaking of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF).
0:20
No armor
pure concrete _shattered_
and only a drop of blood.
Actually Batman wear plot armor on that part and on the falling into the ocean part
Yeah, I don't know why his head didn't turn into chunky kool-aid
That was completely ridiculous.
Yep. Bad writing.
"Who wins in the fight? The answer is always the same."
Savage. 😂
who would win :
-3 dudes with power and a wonder girl
-a rich orphan
a filthy rich orphan
@@flamelover1746 a ridiculously rich orphàn
A ridiculously filthy rich orphan
A rich orphan with backups
a disgustingly rich orphan with a butler
The artist popped off on this one. The characters and scenery look incredible. I love the costume designs, especially super-man's
I forget the artist, but they worked on the entirety of Scott Snyder's Batman new 52 run. I highly recommend checking both their works out
I was not a fan of the New 52 but I love this story arc
It's Greg Capullo. I liked it better than his Spawn stuff. Much more simple and ironically, much better by using less lines and opening his work up.
Batman found a magic artifact called "F*ck Around and Find Out"... Wonder Woman found out what it did.
To be fair if it didn't work she probably would have killed him.
Tbh Batman got lucky if that shit failed to work she would’ve killed him, let’s not get ahead of ourselves she would slaughter Batman in a 1v1 if plot armor was removed from both sides
@@vivaraulito no shit thats why hes a genius tactician, he knows he wouldnt beat many JL members it a strictly hand to hand fight. to take away his ability to form a plan is literally just nerfing batman as a character
@@reedy4519 I said remove his plot armor not his ability to form a plan 🤦🏽♂️ y’all just be saying random shut to start a fight with people y’all don’t even know for no reason like chill we know you ain’t that guy yo ass would get dropped in 5 seconds
Except Diana flying through the window and slamming Bruce's face into the ground would have absolutely killed him...
The cartoon network justice league show always get a rewatch every few years from me. I think it is time, Lex Luthor and Batman are the best thing to have happened to the DC universe. Its terrible that the cinematic representations never pan out properly, it needs the touch of a lover and a consumer of the general entertainment medium, not a major film maker; it also needs humble artists that are able to put the professionalism on.
No. Films usually dont have a story or action similar to cartoons. It makes everything seem "fake" like an episode of Power Rangers. Batman's plot armor works in cartoony or comic form.
With realism, the story is less believable and it comes as bad writing. In cartoon form, people wont question Batman beating the Justice League. With live action writers, this is bad writing since the realism forces everything to be taken seriously
Even Batman dodging Omega Beams in Justice League. That would look bad and not believable with real actors. Cartoons allow easy suspension of disbelief.
In live action movies, a stunt from Fast and the Furious can quickly be called bad writing or ridiculous, but it would be cool in a cartoon
@@sumnahlennon5449 No what? You didnt disagree with me once.
I think you didnt understand me properly, if you get a big director (like WB seems to be doing constantly) there is never going to be a coherent universe, there needs to be a single "mastermind" and investment in this case is more improtant than credentials.
That was my point.
I think the most effective way to beat the flash would be to paint a tunnel on the side of a mountain
Ah a solid JJ reference, I was looking for this
I thought the person who planned this attack was The Batman Who Laughs.
Nope the joker actually trying to kill Batman
this comic is batmen endgame your thining the metal series
@@flyparnape Didn't they battle a few times though? Was it only in the metal series?
@Juugo211 i dont know what you mean if you meant batman who laughs technically yes since his entire story is the metal series some dont say metal but are definitely a part of it
“There’s no honor in a street fight” I like that line
Plot armor is thick with this one😂😂
0:22 Batman survived getting his face smashed into concrete hard enough to create a crater, I'd say it's really thick
@@frankdenweed6456 hahaha
They should call that suit “plot armor”
even batman resorts to asspulls to beat plotshields.
So what’s the suit called?
“The plot armor.”
This is the problem with multiple authors and different qualities in writers. This passes as a Batman circlejerk fanfiction
0:21 Bottom left
Um, did WW just smash Bruce's unprotected head into concrete? With her strength? I think that's a fatality
Justice league- “aaah… our only weakness…. plot armourrrrrr….!!!”
That last quote of batman was incredible, i actually expected him to say smth like that
When your super power is being rich you can buy the freaking suns.
it's always Batman kicking the League's butt!!! LMAO!!! You gotta love the man!!!!😂👍
This reads like a six year old making g up powers to win an imaginary fight "I have anti truth armor, and a super computer so your powers don't work. You plasma vision doesn't work because I have an anti plasma field"
Batman with plot armor:
The Batman plot armor is stroooong
like superman hasn't reacted to a bullet at point blank range LMFAOO
Did I just see a clip of Wonder Woman ramming Batman's head with no cowl on through concrete and he lived?
All I'm hearing and seeing is "PLOT ARMOR, PLOT ARMOR, AND MORE PLOT ARMOR".
Who ever wrote this story, I hope they didn't break their wrists jacking Batman off this hard....
great answer by bruce at the end "nither of us" is such a big heart answer
@0:42 You have to respect the level of fear on Bruce’s face. The Justice League is compromised. So, he knows who’s coming, eventually. Frank Miller 101 - when Heroes are fighting, it has to end in a draw.
2:12
“The name’s Aquaman and I’ve got something to say-!”
“Dead. I’m not f-in’ with you.”
Okay, using shrink tech to miniaturize and then weaponise red suns is fucking amazing, but isn't that too much even for Superman?
I mean jesus christ can't you depower him just with lamps that emulate a red sun?!? Dude should be fucking atomised by a punch that has actual red suns dotting the knuckles.
Red sun doesn't immediately drain his powers. It takes a very very long duration.
In some stories it doesn't drain his powers at all, it simply just doesn't grant him energy.
@@daenite2480basically exposure dulls his powers overtime, physical content probably weakens him faster
superman got partial immunity to all his weaknesses over time.
Well red-light prevents him from absorbing yellow light. Which means he just weakens over time. Even still the amount of money and resourced needed for such tech shows us batman is a white villain. He could create sustain no emission food with poison ivy. Nope. Billion dollars for red suns to slow super man not even defeat him
Fun fact Fenrir is feared by the Norse gods because of his sheer power & abilty to harm them.
When plot armor is a character
This is like the whole class fantasy fighting on the playground until they all just give up and go do something else because "that one kid" keeps asspulling more and more ridiculous things.
"Oh yeah, well I put on a giant invincible suit of armor to defeat you!"
"You stab through my armor and kill me...b-but you defeating me is actually just an illusion created by my suit!"
"But then it turns out my suit actually has plasma shields that deflect your planet-destroying laser vision!"
"But even with my suit gone, it turns out my spit is actually laced with power-draining dust that makes you really weak and stuff!"
I honestly think the Justice League monitors Bruces mental health and whenever they think he's getting too depressed from being a man with no powers in a bat costume who can't even keep a fucking literal clown in check surrounded by demi-gods who routinely fight existential threats capable of ending time and space themselves or starts getting buyers remorse about all the billions he spends on dumb contingency plans that would never work, they all agree to pretend to go rogue, and intentionally lose so that Batman feels better about himself. It's like having a professional gamer intentionally lose when he plays his kid brother.
DC spent the past 40 years making all of their heroes look like complete jobbers whenever Batman is around, then wonder why nobody buys any of their books that aren't about Batman.
If Bruce were a gamer, he'd love the shit out of battle tactic games or tower defense 😂
What a badass
Batman plays Arkham Knight, "JASON!!!" Gets PTSD all over again from losing Jason Todd.
Also, Bruce invested a significant amount of his wealth into plot armor... Because WTF
Batman humbles JL? More like Batman humbles the Flash and Aquaman and barely survives the rest.
Well deceiving the worrier of truth is humbling to the ego when she figure it out.
@@scottpeltier3977 I mean, she's a sitting duck while in a trance, so technically she was humbled
He only bare,y survived Superman which makes sense
I mean he barely survived Superman but he did make quick work of the rest. Especially Aquaman.
He humbled Wonder Woman as well. Put her in a hypnosis
LITERAL plot armor. The perfect plan.
@MiddestEdits Batman shouldn't be Ironman. This is just bad writing, if you can't find a way for Batman to beat the Justice League without giving him a Ironman like suit, then you need to rethink your story.
Your examples you used to justify Batman having this ridiculous suit of armor is way off base. Ironman using an advance suit of armor to neutralize people is his entire gimmick. Batman is a highly skilled martial artist who uses some tech and good planning to support himself. Power suits are out of character for Batman, it's gratuitous and lazy writing. So this certainly is not an example of "good fictional story telling."
@MiddestEdits I'm not a DC writer, maybe they shouldn't have written the scenario of Batman going against the Justice League if there is no reasonable way for him to protect himself 🤔
@@potatoweaver4116using that logic they shouldn't have buffed all of the justice league to ridiculous amounts of power to make the comics more exciting and just kept them weak. It's so weird to me that people are perfectly fine with every other hero getting buffed to do shit they couldn't before but if it's batman nah its plot armor. They all have plot armor lol.
@@GodsDissapointmentthe problem is that he is normal human in case of other characters who are meta-humans. Another problem is that when all other members go rogue why they attack him one at a time not at once, it simple feels like too much of plot armor. Also prep time is bullshit that feels like a small excuse why he win every time, also also it make him too perfect tothe point of breaking his characters, for example why he has problems with Joker if he can beat kryptonian, demigod, speadster and king of Atlanta at once.
@@GodsDissapointment what are you on? Literally my only point was that Batman having a power suit is dumb and it is.
Now about Batman having plot armor I do have my thoughts. Batman does have way more plot armor than any other character. We aren't denying that every super hero has plot armor because they do. However Batman has too much plot armor to the point of being ridiculous. He's doing things and surviving things he has no right too for what his character is.. It's comes off as a looney tunes episode sometimes and I can't take Batman stories like this seriously.
Don't get me wrong I love Batman but we should be critical of stories like this that misrepresent his character rather than acting like brain dead fan boys and saying "wow Batman stronk, he beat justice league all at once!"
Honestly. Batman should have straight died when his face went through that concrete.
Krytonite gum? 😂😂😂😂 Yeh, I’m sure he’s always chewing on some of that.
Spiderman gets eternal suffering
Batman gets ✨ *PLOT ARMOR* ✨
Batman uses contingency plan "Plot Armor"
"The answer is always the same, neither of us" hurts.
"But luckily, Batman had the exact specific thing he needed to counter their attacks."
>sprays frictionless surface in front of flash
So in the winter he cant run on ice.
"What is he, a seasonal super hero?"
Lol!
Flash moves at 150,000 miles a second. FTL.
Batman sprays an entire street with slippery banana peel liquid faster than the flash can react.
Thats some FTL speed spray gun ya got there bat douche.
Ice has low friction. Frictionless is a whole other deal. But the Speed Force nullifies air resistance. So...?
It was my funny attempt at a reference
@@Tombud-ti7gn i thought it was funny 😊
@Tombud-ti7gn Sorry; I took it literally. It's amusing. But without a context or body language clues I missed it.
batman has become such a fuggin mary sue its insane how people arent tired of it yet
Batman’s Plot armor in action because when three people who know how dangerous you are don’t snap your neck despite being faster than light or at the very least move too fast for even someone with 10 times the normal reflexes can achieve, it is because the authors or plot armor says so.
"supes snaps batman's neck. evil jl kills any other person in the world that might remotely pose a threat. the END in just 10 minutes. no more stories because realistically, noone can defeat those guys. ppl still trying to find logic in fictional characters."
see, how stupid you sound?
Batman: Vulnerable mortal using stealth and tactics to efficiently achieve his victory, his mental and physical health deteriating as he tries to save a city that can't be saved.
Batman around JL: The kid playing superhero who says 'Nuh uh that wouldn't work cause I have X that cancels your power'
Very nice of them to take turns attacking him.
"We would never do this" said superman minutes before getting mind controlled by the joker
I think that hardening polymer was too much for Aquaman, I think he could've just flushed him down the toilet.
This is a pretty good example of why Batman, slowly but steadily, is declining in my opinion.
The Idea of Batman is that a man, if dedicated enough, can become more than the sum of his parts. Bruce has trained himself in everything imaginable, always trying to push his own limits to be something greater. And I think that is a very compelling story. It does not matter if he is a billionaire or what his motives are, that drive to excel and protect others is something we can all relate to and cheer on! But it has become a tired trope that Batman always wins. And I do not mean in a "Well the hero wins of course" way but rather in a "Batman is the best" way. Batman cannot lose. Batman can beat everybody and everything. Superman? No problem. Wonder Woman? Pff, you wish. The entire Justice League? Not a sweat.
There is this idea that Batman is always prepared, that he always planned ahead. If you really think about it, even in a comic book universe?.. That is kinda stupid. One of my favorite takes on that idea comes ironically from Bruce himself. As he put it: "You cannot plan for everything. But what you can do is prepare yourself for all kinds of situations. And then learn to combine what you learned and what you can do to succeed." In essence: You do not win because you have a plan for everything, but rather because you're taught and learned so much that once presented with something you could not plan for, you can improvise effectively. And if you think about that, this "Jack of All Trades" idea is far, far better as a story tool and of course as an actual "plan" to combat things. Again, as Bruce put it: "I do not have to bet as good of an archer as Oliver Queen. All I have to be is good enough". For me, that makes Bruce much, much more realistic, and much cooler! He divides his attention, not bothering to master a skill that he does not need. Why does he need to be able to shoot arrows like the Green Arrow? Does he need to be as good a fighter as Lady Shiva? Must his detective skills be on par with the elongated Man? No. But if he takes all of what they can do, just maxes it to his ability, and then puts it together, magic happens.
But these days? "Oh, Batman has learned a secret technique that allows him to not breath for an hour while doing backflips, and thus he can beat the evil No-Oxygen-Man". What a load.
Hence, why it's so boring to see Batman fight the JLA. Where is the tension? Over years and years, we have now established that it does not matter who you are, God or Kryptonian, Darkseid, or a literal SUPERUNIVERSAL BEING.
Batman has a plan and he will beat you.
Just like that. He can just pull some device, some skill, some weird plan he conceived once and of course, it works perfectly.
Batman has always worked best when you put him in the streets of Gotham, navigating the filth and darkness, taking care of the little person. But now he is going to space, fist-fighting Darkseid or beating up Wonder Woman and Superman. How does that even begin to make sense? Now you might say: "Yeah, well, how could he be a member of the JL if he cannot do that?" For that, I point you to the animated Series. In the animated series, Bruce never left the realm of the humanly possible. But he was shown to be resourceful, smart, and a great strategist. To put it simply: He had a role. He would coordinate attacks, find weak points and then direct others, heavier hitters than him, to victory. He was in a sense the man in the chair.
One of my favorite examples of this is when the entire JLA fights robot spiders that seemingly destroy everything. Batman is shot down and is losing altitude fast, his parachute and ejection seat malfunctioning. What does he do? He phones the other league members and requests somebody who can fly to save him from certain doom. At no point we are told that Batman has of course planned to be taken down by robot spiders who also destroy his only means of landing safely and thus has a super jetpack that can shoot laser beams. No, he simply relies on the people he knows will be there and stays calm. Because he knows Clark or Diana will catch him. It humanizes him. It gives him limits.
A story cannot be interesting if the character has no bounds, no limits. I long for the days when the Joker was the height of what Batman fights. Now he is the literal center of the multiverse. Batman Metal was essentially a story about how Batman is the most important being in existence. How is that even remotely interesting? Now, before you say: "But Superman". Superman's boundaries are not set by his powers, but by his characters: What can he do, what would be too much? What is the right course with powers like him? It's a philosophical thing rather than a physical or mental one.
I really, really hope DC understands this again. I do not want to see Batman fight a robot that is better than him, be thrown out of space, and land without a scratch only to beat up said Robot. That is boring. I want to see stuff that we saw in "The Batman" movie. Batman fights crime on the streets, being a detective, being The Dark Knight. The protector of Gotham City.
And not choke out Darkseid with a leg hold.
Edit: Because I just realized this, I did not even catch it because this comic is this stupid.. But Batman looked at Superman, a man who can run faster than the speed of sound, is invulnerable, has heat vision, every super sense under the sun, and on top of all that is also probably the most physically capable person on the planet... And his plan was, "I make gum".
That... I mean, do we even have to dissect this?
His plan against the most powerful being on the planet, a being that could put his fist through his head at Mach 4...
IS KRYPTONITE GUM.
I mean, there is plot armor and then there IS KRYPTONITE GUM. Jesus Christ. The ways this is stupid are mind-blowing.
I mean just think about this: If he has miniature red suns in his battle armor... WHY NOT JUST USE THE KRYPTONITE.
It was literally written so Batman could flex on Superman. It is the second most contrived "I AM BATMAN" plot armor idiocy I have ever seen. A story literally constructed around the idea that Batman can beat Superman..
WITH A PIECE OF GUM.
Damn. I was ready to disagree with you but you made an excellent argument. I do prefer bats at street level or "man in the chair" when up against stronger opponents . Hopefully, the newer movies see this and adapt to the animated mind set that worked perfectly.
Batman is the peak of human evolution. It points out how humans are better than God beings and how his suit can stand up to them. Meaning man trumps all. It's why batman will never fall
I mean, you make a good point, but, DC does do that. I'm not a big consumer of comics and the movies but even I remember when he outsmarted darkseid by arming on the bombs on his planet in that one movie. Also, not all the movies and comics are created equally. Different writers, different priorities, different takes on stories and outcomes.
@@lanhikari2464 I hear what you are saying, but in a sense you are exactly making my point. Here is the thing: In that scene, and I am very much aware which one you are talking about, Batman is essentially in the defense.
Think about it: Bats has no earthly chance against Darkseid. None. And he knows that. So let's go into his head: What would you do if you face somebody who can squat you like a fly? No chance of winning?
You find leverage. You find something that you can use against him. And what does Bats do? He goes for his weapons. Because of course Darkseid would have some. And of course, he would be able to arm them.
And then the scene plays out.
Now as you said yourself, you are not a great consumer of the comics and stuff, so let me present it to you like this:
If this scene had played out in current comics, Darkseid would have shot his omega beams at him, which he would dodge with a backflip all while the Flash cannot outrun them (happened in the comics). He then would hide from Darkseids super senses because he is a ninja (totally makes sense right?), and then, on the fly, would start a monologue about fear. He would then inform Darkseid that over years and years of them fighting him, he not only created a psychological profile, he also collected DNA and in fact has now enough to fool the sensors in his castle. For what purpose, you ask, Darkseid? Well of course so batman can use the recording of Darkseids voice that he just made to attack his security system and then in combination with his voice and DNA, unlock the weapons within 30 seconds to then blackmail him.
BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN
The writers would quite literally have Bruce talking about how he does this, so you just KNOW how fucking awesome he is. BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN.
Or even worse, and they like doing this: Have somebody ask how he did it and he either says nothing, or says "I am Batman". I am not kidding you. That is the reason, the justification, for so much he does these days. "I AM BATMAN" "BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN". And Batman is always the most amazing dude and has a two-foot long magnadick.
You can also add a jump kick to it that that puts Darkseid on his ass before Batman pulls the "I control your weapons" line.
And if you think I am joking? Ask any comic book reader. That would be 100% in line with DC is doing with the character. Te most basic story level at this moment is at least the destruction of the entire city of Gotham.
There is nothing below. No criminals, no drugs, no human trafficking.
EVERY STORY is about either about somebody completely destroying "The Mythos of Batman" or just the whole city of Gotham. That is as "Street" as they go these days.
So yeah different writer have different priorities but if that is the default way a character is written for years.. Well then it's exactly that:
The way people think the character should be. The Default.
So no matter what those priorities are, they will at least be held to kinda adhere to that.
And that is where it all falls apart.
Oh, and then he blows a hole in the throne room, jumps out and makes out with Diana later.
BECAUSE HE IS BATMAN
Well said
Flash: I can move in ATTOSECONDS (time it takes light to travel between electrons in an ATOM), Travel across time with his super speed, Casually faster than Light even when not trying, His speed makes it impossible to be mindcontrolled...
Also Flash: Damn! That computer sure is faster than me and can react to everything I do and also, Joker mind controlled me..
Wonder Woman: Warrior Princess. Can compete with likes of Super Man.
Also WW: I sure don't feel this thing on my body that was not here before and batman died too easily. Guess i won.
SuperMan: able to compete with Flash to extent in speed, Can hear sound in space, Has Super Senses,
Also SM: Damn, Did notice Bruce chewing Krytonite gum and did not see it coming at me in Slow Motion,
Writers. That's all I need to say about the first. Psychology is second. Third is "flair for the dramatic". Lastly, they're not thinking like themselves.
That aside, why does everyone only ever think about powers and never how the characters actually THINK? Their thoughts and personalities. Like yeah, they COULD do that, but would they? It's not so simple to just say, "Oh, Superman could just do this and it'd be over." He COULD, but based on his beliefs and values, would he? It's utter ignorance to just blurt out that someone can do something that they might not simply just do on a whim. Lastly, you end up projecting your own thoughts and feelings on the characters.
@@Maniacman2030a jokerfied Superman’s morals prevents him from dodging spit?
@@Maniacman2030 Except, it was said in the damn comic, that all of them under Joker's toxin were void of morals.
DC this is the 7th week in a row that you've shown Batman beating the Justice League in class
I like this one, the contingency plans worked out in a less than convoluted way and the suit housed it all, as a way better suit than Bruce used against Superman when Bruse was over the hill and Green Arrow was near by.
If the suit works this good then why aren't the people who are actually smarter and better inventors making much better suits.
@@Ahglock You say that like Bruce has low grade inventors just because they're not bent on bad deeds with the tech.
@@justinmcdonald2072 I'm sure he has good ones but they aren't lex luthor either.
@@Ahglock Both billionaires yet in this case it's a minor detail.
Kryptonite gum is the stupidest contingency plan ever.
He had literal plot armor. 😅
Superman with no hangups kills Batman from space before Batman even knows he's been attacked.
You people who write this stuff have no imagination or flair for the dramatic. Neither do you have any idea how psychology works. Nobody is going to think this sh-t at the start.
Stronger doesen't mean better. Can we stop with this shitty metric allready?
PLOT ARMOR IS CRAZY 🤣
At this point, Batman is a Mary Sue.
"Batman's spit contains Kryptonite" Right. Okay.
plot armors a hell of a thing
The most ridiculous superhero created
This is not Batman.
This is Batgod.
Batman is HIM
If only batman spent all that brain and money in safeguarding Arkham prison...
I've heard some people suggest Batman's contingency plans against his friends and teammates is a betrayal. But, given the risk of what they could ALL so easily become... how could any of them be so reckless as to NOT plan for the worst case scenario?
for me its not the fact that he has the contingency plans (though the virus in Cyborg from the day he met cyborg in Injustice was fucked)
Its
1) The fact that he never mentioned it until after his contingency plans were stolen by an enemy
2) the fact that up until recently his contingency for himself was the group of people he had a plan to take down.
some may make an argument against point 1.
But i'd argue that Batman doesn't have to state WHAT his plans are, just that he has them and he suggests other members of the league make some as well.
And I love that Batman's contingency plan for himself going rogue, is the Justice League.
@@fairystail11. The fact that they were upset he didn't tell them means they hadn't even though about it, which gives batman an edge since they won't be expecting it, giving up the element of surprise by letting them know he has a plan for each of them is just dumb imo and reduces the chance of any of his plans working.
2. His plans are to incapacitate them individually, if they work together and attack all at once they'll steamroll him.
@@UnknownGamer40464 let's do reverse order cause why not.
2: and an evil Batman should not be a stupid batman. He should be smart enough to go 'hmmm maybe i shouldnt announce im evil and maybe i shouldnt charge them all at once'
1: so only Batman should have plans then? Sorry Wonder Woman. Maybe you would have had a plan if someone suggested it but now Batman and Supes are evil so... get fucked I guess?
While I do think the Justice League is definitely a major part of Batman’s contingency for himself, they’re not the main contingency. That title goes to the Bat-Family, especially Alfred and the Robins. Alfred would be the best chance to use Batman’s emotions to try and reason with him to stop what’s happening. The Robins are easily the best choices if they need to physically attack Batman and counter his weapons, gadgets, and strategies. Batman has trained them so if the time ever comes, they can succeed him. I’d say if Batman has faith that they can become him, then they’re the ones who best know him, y’know?
Damn really goes to show how Wonder Woman doesnt have much weakness. Only way he could think to defeat her is to "play dead"
Batman: Has contingency plans to defeat the Justice League
Also Batman: Fails to have a contingency plan on The Joker
lmao
Aquaman just got jizzed on and incapacitated.
Ah yes, Batman's two greatest weapons:
1. Alfred
2. Fanboy writers
Actually, what really happened is that Bruce instantly died the moment Diana landed a single surprise attack on him
And the rest is his personal heaven where his fanfic of him surviving the league is played out as he’s constantly in denial
Everything is utterly ridiculous. Wonder Woman would've broken his back and that's it. KRYPTONITE GUM? Gimme a break
Get this: it's a superhero narrative. Reality in the books isn't exactly one to one. You just kinda wanna sit back and enjoy the ride for comics like these. They're spectacle, after all.
@@poopmanthe3rd794 Yes but if a story breaks its own rules its bad. Its like saying "Well Titanic is a movie, you are in for the spectacle so who cares if they got saved by aliens and flown to the planet krypton." Because you know... Its fiction. Who cares right?
DC be glazing Batman too much to where he suffers the Mary Sue syndrome massively
“With enough preparat-“
Superman: “Big man in a suit of armor. Take that off what are you?”
“I’m Batman.”
I like Batman, but the amount of inexplicable asspull in his writing in current era comics is unreal.
All of the characters have this. Superman got ridiculously bs powers because of asspull in the first place. Speed Force is absolute bs that never existed in the beginning and they made it up to make Flash more than just some really fast guy. Then they let him traverse time itself, because why the f not? Even if the logic is utter nonsense. You cannot go back to something that no longer exists, the energy is spent, it's no longer there to return to. Back to Supes, he literally has one weakness and any time it's brought up, people b-tch about "omg plot armor!" Aquaman is... well, nobody really cares about him.
You have exactly one guy in the JL who isn't some superpowered person and y'all complain when in HIS comic, he actually has ways to fight those superpowered people? Especially when it's been known for years that he has plans to fight them in a worst case scenario? In that case, nobody can ever write a story about this scenario that will satisfy you people, because you'll always project your, "Nuh-uh! (X) can do (Y) so..."
Don't even get me started how they basically removed any potential weaknesses from Diana.
@@Maniacman2030lol, yeah, ppl forget than these guys are not real. "inexplicable asspull" is basically the name of any character here. go figure...
@@Maniacman2030superman or any other super characters can be ignored, because they are already capable of the unimaginable, but vatman is still human, he shouldn't be able to beat any of them no matter what...at least not without help from other super powered beings.
@@Maniacman2030 Batman is a human, and has human limitations. Humans don't survive getting pancaked into the cement by demigods. I'm complaining because it's *lazy writing*.
@@Maniacman2030 Also, why be so upset with me about Batman being the only one without super powers in the JL? Maybe it means that this story shouldn't have been told(at least not told in this way).
Batman doesn't have to win every fight he's ever been in you know.
Batman has a contingency plan for each member of the Justice League, including himself.
But he's also Batman after all, so he must have prepared a plan against his contingency plan, and a contingency plan against his anti-contingency plan.
So, the real contingency plan for Batman would be to trap him in the contingency plan creation neverending loop, so he's too busy to do anything else.
This under-appreciated joke doesn't deserve to be buried.
Wtf?!? Bruce got speed blitzed by Wonder Woman, slammed face first into the ground, dropped into a fucking tree and fell into the ground, and shook all that off even after what seems like he was still in recovery from a previous battle…is Bruce a meta now or on some body-enhancement drugs like in Injustice?
This is Solid JJ's prep time video in comic form.