I know a lot of people are itching to get their hands on a R5II, but to be completely honest, the R5 is still an awesome camera (even compared to the latest models from the competition). It does everything I need, and more. Canon could have just put out a firmware for the R5 and I'd be tickled pink for years to come (like removing the recording limit).
I think it is FOMO. I still love the R5 and use it daily. I look forward to the R52, but the R5 doesn't feel old even against the Z8 with its stacked sensor.
Peeps always chasing the ‘next best thing!’ What they should ‘buy’ is an older generation camera, and challenge their skills, or really get good with what they have! Just my $.02. Peace
I concur though my agreement stems from what I see and hear from others. I have not shot with Canon mirrorless bodies (still working with DSLRs as a hobbyist). Despite Canon not always being as dazzling as Sony, Canon makes considerable contributions to imaging technology.
True professionals know that the gear tiers are 1. Lighting, 2. Glass, 3. Audio (if necessary) and 4. Camera body. While an R5 II sounds enticing, it will not make anyone a “better photographer” and it will not make nearly as big of an impact as upgrading any of the higher tiers of gear will do for your work.
I've taken the time to look into the patent myself, and after a thorough review, I've come to an additional speculation. Beyond the mentioned benefits in quality and energy efficiency (though I remain somewhat skeptical about the latter), what stands out to me even more is the apparent parallelization of signal processing, often referred to as a speed enhancement. What I find intriguing is the division of the sensor into individual 'squares' for sequential yet simultaneous reading of grid squares, which implies further implications that I believe need no further explanation, right? Clearly, this points towards a Global-Shutter approach, with increased dynamic range and energy efficiency. And this, with all the advantages of a BSI sensor. My anticipation for the forthcoming innovations is fascinating, and I'm truly excited.
Perhaps I did downplay the performance and efficiency, but I'm always conservative with these as Canon could choose to implement the patent in whole or in part.
In the last five years far as I’m concerned, there hasn’t been any real image quality improvements, I have seen major improvements with auto focus overall the manufacturers , But actual big image quality improvements Have come to a standstill in the last few years, unlike the earlier days of digital photography.
Sounds promising, and the timing of the patent application might be consistent Canon deferring the (our) expected announcement of the R1 and R5 Mark 2 cameras.
I've seen several patents that deliver performance improvements, increased dynamic range and low light performance. It's safe to say that we will see these benefits.
There's always talk about high-end features trickling down to less expensive models, but lately it seems to be that instead of offering these new technologies to lower-end models at an affordable price, more and more reviewers are wanting lower-end models to offer those new goodies but at an increased price which in my view defeats the purpose. If you take a $1500 camera and add features but raise the price $1000, you no longer have an entry level model. Canon improved the R6 without raising the price of the R6-M2, but can they do it again with the R5 or R7? With prices going up on so many items, I have my doubts about that one.
Less power consumption also means less heat generated because it is the power consumption that generates heat due to electrical resistance. This is an excellent video that is very informative and helpful. It shows how Canon is minimizing heat generated not just mitigating heat generated. It’s better to not generate heat in the first place. No need to dissipate what isn’t there. All the best.
Thanks. All this patent applications point to improved dynamic range, low light performance and overall performance improvements for Canon's high end cameras.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker , The Patents are the keys to all of the sensor development and they discuss the potential for the future improvements. They are not guarantees that they will show up in a future product but they are always there if they do come to market. They are really the only reliable source that we have this go round. This paradigm change is really different in that it is expected to produce not only better stills images but better video too. Moreover, it is supposed to be faster and smaller too. Sony has been a step ahead in the past but it needed some of Canon’s patents to move forward and Canon needed some of Sony’s patents to keep moving forward. Their sharing agreement led us to this paradigm change and now we are seeing new patents unique to Canon and I bet Sony too given the A9III. The implementation of these patents is not easy but it is possible and we are experiencing the time delays but these changes appear to offer really useful benefits to us all. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Robert. Canon Rumours beat me to the patent coverage, but I needed more time to understand the scope of the patent and the value it would deliver. We have multiple patents that deliver improved dynamic range, low lighter performance and improved efficiency now :)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker , Reporting on what the patents mean for the user community is very important. It is the only factual basis that we have for future development. The camera manufacturers are spending a lot of money on research and development. The patents protect those investments and they need to get them before others implement their features. That means that they are going to be available before product is available. We don’t get a guarantee that patents will show up as features in the future but it is a promising source because they are not cheap to obtain. When we get a true paradigm change in technology it is difficult to get enough leaks to definitively say when and what is being released. Too many changes for anyone or two sources to leak enough information for truly useful product specifics and release dates. I think and hope that this is the case here with Canon. I also hope that I will be able to actually afford these new products. LOL. I’m hoping that my faith and patience will pay off in the end. All the best. PS While holding off on my photo purchases I have been getting new lighting ready. For me lighting is as important as my lenses and camera. I’m currently converting ( actually almost entirely converted to) Rotolight WWRGB lighting. I am mainly a stills portrait and event documentary photographer. Occasionally doing video but mostly stills. I’m trying to get my lighting prepared for all of my needs which will include stills and video both in studio and on location. I’m currently setting up my studio with Titan X2, AEOS2, and NEO3 units. For location I will pretty much use AEOS2 and NEO3 with occasional Titan X2 units for larger groups.
At the risk of being redundant here, has there ever been a Canon sensor that has been a standout in terms of performance in the real world? That's their Achilles heel. If the rumored specs of the R1 are correct, I think it says more about Canon being unable to manufacture a high mpx sensor that can compete with the competition. Still the best tested full frame sensor by DxOMark is in a seven year old DSLR - Nikon D850. Their best performing sensor is the 24 mpx R3 sensor. Maybe this triple stacked technology will change that but they have been moving at a snails pace with anything high end. They do crank out good value lower end cameras though. Where's the competition to the Z9 and A1? Where is the competition for Nikon's PF super telephoto primes? There is none. They have a gimmicky fixed aperture lightweight telephoto lens but that is a joke compared to the PF lenses. The DO lenses had hope (400 f4 DO II was excellent) but that's been abandoned by them. Maybe they are more concerned selling prosumer products in volume instead of being revolutionary and game changing?
This makes perfect sense. They did mention they would build the camera from the ground up without any recycled parts. So a triple stacked sensor makes sense. Knowing canon they might even throw it into the R5mii considering it’s one of their best selling cameras and they tend to use parts from flagship cameras. Let’s see!! Fingers crossed!
As you eluded to in the presentation, I suspect this technology is currently available in the pre-production R1's that are in the process of testing. Obviously the feedback on performance has been sufficiently positive to allow Canon to proceed with registering the Patent. It appears that this will be a game changer for Canon, particularly if it can be used in various fields and if its relatively inexpensive to produce. Expect it to be in the R1 and could well filter down to the new R5 and the R3 variations depending on feedback during the Olympics.
Canon would never go to the hard effort of prototypes before patenting the idea. Too much risk of a competitor stealing it after Canon has spent the money on a prototype (but no patent protection). Canon could argue prior history, but that's not always guaranteed to win...
As I recall there were similar sentiments going around before the R5 arrived. Everyone was putting Canon down and then they blew it out of the park. I think they will have something great for those with patience:).
It will be announced and available before the Olympics. How available it will be and to whom is another story. This has been the history of the 1 series, and I can't see that changing unless WW3 breaks out
Clearly this is a great time to be in photography. Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, Sony etc... are all making great gear. Can we say the camera wars no longer matter for us non-pro's? How can any of us make a bad choice now? I'm not including you, Simon-as you are clearly in the pro category. It's understandable why you would prefer a specific brand given your skill level.
One fact I don't see discussed anywhere . . . traditionally, Canon's even-numbered updates (R5ii) have been mild upgrades. It's the odd-numbered versions that have introduced the big improvements. Given this fact -- and that Canon is a creature of tradition / habit -- what are the chances that the R5ii is just a resolution bump and a feature upgrade (including removing the 29 minute record limit)? An R5ii with slightly more resolution and the AF of the R3/R6ii would be a meaningful upgrade. Maybe the "triple stacked" sensor is for the R5iii.
Hard to say. I think there could be a big gap this time as the R1 is the first mirrorless camera and needs to catch up to the competition that has been out for years.
So was I ;) referring to the gap between the R1 and R52. I have one source saying the R52 will be game changing, but I treat this as just conjecture until we know more.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker, yep. At this point, I'm assuming R5ii availability to the masses is at least January, 2025. Maybe even later in Q1 2025. The R1? Since they APPARENTLY don't plan to have it in any outsiders' hands before July . . . who knows? There's no pressure to get it out by a deadline, at that point. Maybe Q4 for the people spending their own money? But . . . if CR has this one wrong (again), we could all be shooting R1's and R5ii's by late April 2024! (But I seriously doubt it.)
We might not get huge improvements in speed, but it is evolutionary, moving the goal pot forward. This sin't the first patent that improved DR and low light performance.
Amazing how you can drill down to this level and read this information between the lines. (which of late have been convoluted and changing daily). Time will tell obviously but they might start calling you the Guru if you are correct with this Simon. C'mon Canon, get your act together and announce the camera(s) and lenses for 2024
Wouldn't be surprised to see this technology in the R1 and R5 MKii. If they include it in the R7 MKii it'll be a powerful piece and easily persuade me to upgrade the R7 I have.
I would upgrade my R7 as well although I have never upgraded to the next generation; I bought the 40D, then I bought the 80D! I'm looking forward to Canon's announcements soon!
If canon plans to sell on the technology. We may not even see canon use this in their own cameras first, it would be a surprise given the possible improvements, but they could be banking on the money from other wanting to use the tech as well, its interesting indeed, but considering canons current predicaments in supply chain and lack of any actual teasers or announcements just yet, i am very skeptical. When it comes to canon exployees being very excited about whats coming, i now can see why, they are probably going to make a huge amount of profit from selling the tech and using it their own would give them a massive advantage, if it all plays out to be true that it is indeed coming. Im definitely skeptical with all of the leaks and rumours.just not getting my hopes up
Canon is starting to give off a stink of desperation and the idea that they are struggling with effectively implementing new technologies. Taking too long to release new cameras IS a problem. I love Canon cameras, but Sony always seems to edge them out on a regular basis.
Have you seen the latest prices on the R5? It's a bargain for what it is! I think the R5II is very near in time, otherwise I can't explain why Canon lowered the price of current models
This comment is based largely on my feelings. It seems that Sony gets the recognition they deserve for their investment in R&D resulting in considerable advancements in photography and videography. Two notable examples are the A-1 and the A-9 III. When introduced, these camera bodies made a significant splash. As a low-level Canon enthusiast/modest fanboy, Canon has also contributed to advancements in photography & videography. I shoot with older gear, so I have no direct experience with the latest Canon gear. Based solely on watching tests from various UA-camrs, it seems fair to say that Canon cameras and lenses frequently deliver good results with still photography and video much like Sony. Canon seems to squeeze pleasing results from apparently "older" technology. What is worth noting are the results you get from your photography/videography. Canon, Sony, and Nikon deliver generally good results. When talking to a friend, I say use the gear you enjoy working with then get out and refine your artistry. Go have some fun.
Would be a little strange to see Canon triple stacked sensors in Nikon cameras. The question is how long will Sony be able to dominate the sensor industry?
If these are to be modern cameras, and in the case of Canon they are to be modern for a long time, because they have to wait a long time for new models, there is no other option.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker If the manufacturer releases too often, the consumer is only offered minor incremental upgrades, insufficiently tempting. Been there, done that, won't be doing it again. Personally, I'm fine with the perceived delay. Given that I didn't dash out and buy an R5 Mark 1 immediately, it's less than four years for me, and I'll probably do the same this time around. The Mark 1 is still a great camera.
When Canon cannot produce either camera in time for the Olympics, they are losing all credibility. I’d trust none of the BS that they are leaking out. They can’t even finalize the specifications for either camera.
For this design you need massively adapted production machinery... in other words, my strong guess is that its not gonna happen for the R5II and R1 when they just filed the patent, but I welcome the future with these sensors nonetheless! 👏👍
Patents don't last indefinitely, so it might be that Canon have been sitting on their application so as to get the jump on the competition. It would make sense to time its publication with having their production machinery ready to roll.
Looking at it they have been working on this patent for 2+ years before submitting it, I think registering it possibly means it's in a good enough place to come out and shock the competition as in, look what we already have
To echo what others have said, put this tech in the R7 MII and I will replace my R7. Then out of shame, and tech envy replace my R5. A global shutter does not interest me, pulling detail out of a morning wildlife, astro or landscape photo does.
Thanks Simon, when Canon pulls this off for the R1 & R5ii, this type of sensor would be much preferred over a global shutter without further improvements on IQ ..
I've seen two other patents that touch on the same capabilities. I think its safe to say improvements to DR and low light performance are coming to the R52 and R1.
The technology all sounds new and exciting but I won't believe it until I see it. I picked up the R5 at Christmas, and I'm having a hard time finding a great image improvement over the 5D Mark IV, at this point in time I feel around 30 MP is the sweet spot anything higher is really not necessary IMO. The R5 images do not seem to be as sharp as I was expecting. I also have the R6 which I really enjoy using, but I hope in time I will find the higher MP's of the R5 acceptable. Also picked up the RF 15-35mm f/2.8, a great lens, comparing it to the EF 16-35mm f/2.8 Mark II, yes the RF lens may be a little sharper closer to the edges but all in all I didn't find that big of a difference to the EF lens. Maybe it's me and it probably is but I was expecting the R5 with the RF 15-35mm lens to be a great improvement to image quality, especially sharpness, and that's not what I'm seeing. AT the end of the day, I'm still happy with the 5D Mark IV with the EF 16-35mm f/2.8 Mark II and have spend a lot of money on the new mirrorless technology and a flippy screen 🤣👍
I'm like those un invalidated leak specifications, this shows what Canon's been spending their time and resources researching and developing. Very high probability will see this in high-end cameras, less so in low end cameras
I know a lot of people are itching to get their hands on a R5II, but to be completely honest, the R5 is still an awesome camera (even compared to the latest models from the competition). It does everything I need, and more. Canon could have just put out a firmware for the R5 and I'd be tickled pink for years to come (like removing the recording limit).
I think it is FOMO. I still love the R5 and use it daily. I look forward to the R52, but the R5 doesn't feel old even against the Z8 with its stacked sensor.
Peeps always chasing the ‘next best thing!’ What they should ‘buy’ is an older generation camera, and challenge their skills, or really get good with what they have! Just my $.02. Peace
I concur though my agreement stems from what I see and hear from others. I have not shot with Canon mirrorless bodies (still working with DSLRs as a hobbyist). Despite Canon not always being as dazzling as Sony, Canon makes considerable contributions to imaging technology.
True professionals know that the gear tiers are 1. Lighting, 2. Glass, 3. Audio (if necessary) and 4. Camera body. While an R5 II sounds enticing, it will not make anyone a “better photographer” and it will not make nearly as big of an impact as upgrading any of the higher tiers of gear will do for your work.
@@dreadnoughtphotowerkz wow!
Triple stacked would be a huge game changer. Though the triple stacked Big Mac didn’t win many fans.
It's just another step forward in the development of these sensors.
‘Quad based’ sensor baby, that’s where it is at! 😆
I've taken the time to look into the patent myself, and after a thorough review, I've come to an additional speculation. Beyond the mentioned benefits in quality and energy efficiency (though I remain somewhat skeptical about the latter), what stands out to me even more is the apparent parallelization of signal processing, often referred to as a speed enhancement.
What I find intriguing is the division of the sensor into individual 'squares' for sequential yet simultaneous reading of grid squares, which implies further implications that I believe need no further explanation, right? Clearly, this points towards a Global-Shutter approach, with increased dynamic range and energy efficiency. And this, with all the advantages of a BSI sensor.
My anticipation for the forthcoming innovations is fascinating, and I'm truly excited.
Perhaps I did downplay the performance and efficiency, but I'm always conservative with these as Canon could choose to implement the patent in whole or in part.
Hotwire in the comments!!!
I don’t think this will be in either camera due to the patent being too new, however, that readout speed would compete with global shutter
The patent was filed in August, 2022 giving them plenty of time to plan it out, but wasn't published until a few days ago.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker 😱 OMG!!! That’s plenty of time and would make the R1 a beast and have high resolution!!!
In the last five years far as I’m concerned, there hasn’t been any real image quality improvements,
I have seen major improvements with auto focus overall the manufacturers ,
But actual big image quality improvements Have come to a standstill in the last few years, unlike the earlier days of digital photography.
Sounds promising, and the timing of the patent application might be consistent Canon deferring the (our) expected announcement of the R1 and R5 Mark 2 cameras.
I've seen several patents that deliver performance improvements, increased dynamic range and low light performance. It's safe to say that we will see these benefits.
There's always talk about high-end features trickling down to less expensive models, but lately it seems to be that instead of offering these new technologies to lower-end models at an affordable price, more and more reviewers are wanting lower-end models to offer those new goodies but at an increased price which in my view defeats the purpose. If you take a $1500 camera and add features but raise the price $1000, you no longer have an entry level model. Canon improved the R6 without raising the price of the R6-M2, but can they do it again with the R5 or R7? With prices going up on so many items, I have my doubts about that one.
Less power consumption also means less heat generated because it is the power consumption that generates heat due to electrical resistance.
This is an excellent video that is very informative and helpful. It shows how Canon is minimizing heat generated not just mitigating heat generated. It’s better to not generate heat in the first place. No need to dissipate what isn’t there. All the best.
Thanks. All this patent applications point to improved dynamic range, low light performance and overall performance improvements for Canon's high end cameras.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker ,
The Patents are the keys to all of the sensor development and they discuss the potential for the future improvements. They are not guarantees that they will show up in a future product but they are always there if they do come to market.
They are really the only reliable source that we have this go round. This paradigm change is really different in that it is expected to produce not only better stills images but better video too. Moreover, it is supposed to be faster and smaller too. Sony has been a step ahead in the past but it needed some of Canon’s patents to move forward and Canon needed some of Sony’s patents to keep moving forward. Their sharing agreement led us to this paradigm change and now we are seeing new patents unique to Canon and I bet Sony too given the A9III.
The implementation of these patents is not easy but it is possible and we are experiencing the time delays but these changes appear to offer really useful benefits to us all. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Robert. Canon Rumours beat me to the patent coverage, but I needed more time to understand the scope of the patent and the value it would deliver. We have multiple patents that deliver improved dynamic range, low lighter performance and improved efficiency now :)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker ,
Reporting on what the patents mean for the user community is very important. It is the only factual basis that we have for future development. The camera manufacturers are spending a lot of money on research and development. The patents protect those investments and they need to get them before others implement their features. That means that they are going to be available before product is available. We don’t get a guarantee that patents will show up as features in the future but it is a promising source because they are not cheap to obtain. When we get a true paradigm change in technology it is difficult to get enough leaks to definitively say when and what is being released. Too many changes for anyone or two sources to leak enough information for truly useful product specifics and release dates. I think and hope that this is the case here with Canon. I also hope that I will be able to actually afford these new products. LOL. I’m hoping that my faith and patience will pay off in the end. All the best.
PS While holding off on my photo purchases I have been getting new lighting ready. For me lighting is as important as my lenses and camera.
I’m currently converting ( actually almost entirely converted to) Rotolight WWRGB lighting. I am mainly a stills portrait and event documentary photographer. Occasionally doing video but mostly stills. I’m trying to get my lighting prepared for all of my needs which will include stills and video both in studio and on location. I’m currently setting up my studio with Titan X2, AEOS2, and NEO3 units. For location I will pretty much use AEOS2 and NEO3 with occasional Titan X2 units for larger groups.
All progress is a good thing in the tech race.
Five more years maybe.
At the risk of being redundant here, has there ever been a Canon sensor that has been a standout in terms of performance in the real world? That's their Achilles heel. If the rumored specs of the R1 are correct, I think it says more about Canon being unable to manufacture a high mpx sensor that can compete with the competition. Still the best tested full frame sensor by DxOMark is in a seven year old DSLR - Nikon D850. Their best performing sensor is the 24 mpx R3 sensor. Maybe this triple stacked technology will change that but they have been moving at a snails pace with anything high end. They do crank out good value lower end cameras though. Where's the competition to the Z9 and A1? Where is the competition for Nikon's PF super telephoto primes? There is none. They have a gimmicky fixed aperture lightweight telephoto lens but that is a joke compared to the PF lenses. The DO lenses had hope (400 f4 DO II was excellent) but that's been abandoned by them. Maybe they are more concerned selling prosumer products in volume instead of being revolutionary and game changing?
Let's see what they put in the R52 and R1
Interesting observations 👍
This makes perfect sense. They did mention they would build the camera from the ground up without any recycled parts. So a triple stacked sensor makes sense. Knowing canon they might even throw it into the R5mii considering it’s one of their best selling cameras and they tend to use parts from flagship cameras. Let’s see!! Fingers crossed!
will be introduced in the R3
As you eluded to in the presentation, I suspect this technology is currently available in the pre-production R1's that are in the process of testing. Obviously the feedback on performance has been sufficiently positive to allow Canon to proceed with registering the Patent. It appears that this will be a game changer for Canon, particularly if it can be used in various fields and if its relatively inexpensive to produce. Expect it to be in the R1 and could well filter down to the new R5 and the R3 variations depending on feedback during the Olympics.
As you say, there had to be something responsible for causing all the aforementioned excitement, and this might be it.
Canon would never go to the hard effort of prototypes before patenting the idea. Too much risk of a competitor stealing it after Canon has spent the money on a prototype (but no patent protection). Canon could argue prior history, but that's not always guaranteed to win...
As I recall there were similar sentiments going around before the R5 arrived. Everyone was putting Canon down and then they blew it out of the park. I think they will have something great for those with patience:).
Do we still think we're getting the R1 or R5ii by the olympics? I don't think so.
Yes we do... well the r1 is a guarantee... the question is, who is we and how many ;)
How can Canon still be making announcements 3-4 months ahead of the Olympics... @@OrdinaryFilmmaker
It will be announced and available before the Olympics. How available it will be and to whom is another story. This has been the history of the 1 series, and I can't see that changing unless WW3 breaks out
Clearly this is a great time to be in photography. Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, Sony etc... are all making great gear. Can we say the camera wars no longer matter for us non-pro's? How can any of us make a bad choice now? I'm not including you, Simon-as you are clearly in the pro category. It's understandable why you would prefer a specific brand given your skill level.
Canon pushing DJI and Sony to improve their sensor tech I LOVE IT
Win win for everyone.
just let canon do its job.
They’re cooking
One fact I don't see discussed anywhere . . . traditionally, Canon's even-numbered updates (R5ii) have been mild upgrades. It's the odd-numbered versions that have introduced the big improvements. Given this fact -- and that Canon is a creature of tradition / habit -- what are the chances that the R5ii is just a resolution bump and a feature upgrade (including removing the 29 minute record limit)? An R5ii with slightly more resolution and the AF of the R3/R6ii would be a meaningful upgrade. Maybe the "triple stacked" sensor is for the R5iii.
Hard to say. I think there could be a big gap this time as the R1 is the first mirrorless camera and needs to catch up to the competition that has been out for years.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker, the R1, yes. But I was talking about the R5ii.
So was I ;) referring to the gap between the R1 and R52. I have one source saying the R52 will be game changing, but I treat this as just conjecture until we know more.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker, yep. At this point, I'm assuming R5ii availability to the masses is at least January, 2025. Maybe even later in Q1 2025. The R1? Since they APPARENTLY don't plan to have it in any outsiders' hands before July . . . who knows? There's no pressure to get it out by a deadline, at that point. Maybe Q4 for the people spending their own money? But . . . if CR has this one wrong (again), we could all be shooting R1's and R5ii's by late April 2024! (But I seriously doubt it.)
Sounds very interesting, Thanks
Whoa. That may be something amazing especially for the speed. DR will be up for sure. How will this technology do in video. I am now excited
We might not get huge improvements in speed, but it is evolutionary, moving the goal pot forward. This sin't the first patent that improved DR and low light performance.
Amazing how you can drill down to this level and read this information between the lines. (which of late have been convoluted and changing daily). Time will tell obviously but they might start calling you the Guru if you are correct with this Simon. C'mon Canon, get your act together and announce the camera(s) and lenses for 2024
It takes some time to read through the patent description. Gives me a headache every time.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Just think of all the headaches you've prevented! Your efforts are greatly appreciated.
LOL - true enough. I saw Canon rumours post, but need more time to understand it.
R3 Mark 2
exactly..the rest will be another 2 years some crazy rumors..LOL
Do I need prepare less $5,499 for R5mk2? LOL
Assume same price as 2020 in the US.
They should release Clog 2 on the r5c
If a sensor cant handle 15+ DR clog 2 would be useless, a log profile dont bring more DR than the sensor can handle
thank you for clarifying that @@KarlevidProductions
Wouldn't be surprised to see this technology in the R1 and R5 MKii.
If they include it in the R7 MKii it'll be a powerful piece and easily persuade me to upgrade the R7 I have.
Also if Canon includes this tech on the R7 MKii it'll force Nikon to answer with an APS-C flagship. Would siphon away some Z8 and Z9 sales.
From other patent applications, its safe to say that dynamic range and low light performance will be improved.
I think it's safe to say that we will get improved dynamic range and low light performance from several patents I have covered.
I would upgrade my R7 as well although I have never upgraded to the next generation; I bought the 40D, then I bought the 80D! I'm looking forward to Canon's announcements soon!
If canon plans to sell on the technology. We may not even see canon use this in their own cameras first, it would be a surprise given the possible improvements, but they could be banking on the money from other wanting to use the tech as well, its interesting indeed, but considering canons current predicaments in supply chain and lack of any actual teasers or announcements just yet, i am very skeptical. When it comes to canon exployees being very excited about whats coming, i now can see why, they are probably going to make a huge amount of profit from selling the tech and using it their own would give them a massive advantage, if it all plays out to be true that it is indeed coming. Im definitely skeptical with all of the leaks and rumours.just not getting my hopes up
Canon is starting to give off a stink of desperation and the idea that they are struggling with effectively implementing new technologies. Taking too long to release new cameras IS a problem. I love Canon cameras, but Sony always seems to edge them out on a regular basis.
Does it make coffee too?
That would be very nice...
Have you seen the latest prices on the R5? It's a bargain for what it is! I think the R5II is very near in time, otherwise I can't explain why Canon lowered the price of current models
I literally mention that in this video ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I wrote before watching the video 😅
You're not the only one ;) $2999 and a 128GB CFexpress card included with a card reader... not bad at all
When They Release Sigma RF Lenses?
Canon won't be releasing them, Sigma will if what CR says is correct.
You are an absolute speculation machine!
I'm thinking if one company can be compiled a Canon camera with a Sony sensor 😊
Isn't it a global shutter?
I only want Dynamic Range improvement.
Do you think this will happen?
Thank you!
An increase in dynamic range, yes. several patent address increasing dynamic range.
That's great! Thank you @@OrdinaryFilmmaker
This comment is based largely on my feelings. It seems that Sony gets the recognition they deserve for their investment in R&D resulting in considerable advancements in photography and videography. Two notable examples are the A-1 and the A-9 III. When introduced, these camera bodies made a significant splash. As a low-level Canon enthusiast/modest fanboy, Canon has also contributed to advancements in photography & videography. I shoot with older gear, so I have no direct experience with the latest Canon gear.
Based solely on watching tests from various UA-camrs, it seems fair to say that Canon cameras and lenses frequently deliver good results with still photography and video much like Sony. Canon seems to squeeze pleasing results from apparently "older" technology. What is worth noting are the results you get from your photography/videography. Canon, Sony, and Nikon deliver generally good results. When talking to a friend, I say use the gear you enjoy working with then get out and refine your artistry. Go have some fun.
Would be a little strange to see Canon triple stacked sensors in Nikon cameras. The question is how long will Sony be able to dominate the sensor industry?
Canon and Sony have their own fabs. It is vitally important to control the supply chain if you want to be a leader and not a follower.
This is more of an answer to Sony's 2 layer transistor sensor
Good point - never thought of referencing Sony here.
If these are to be modern cameras, and in the case of Canon they are to be modern for a long time, because they have to wait a long time for new models, there is no other option.
They refresh every four years, which can seem like a long time to some, not so much others...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker If the manufacturer releases too often, the consumer is only offered minor incremental upgrades, insufficiently tempting. Been there, done that, won't be doing it again.
Personally, I'm fine with the perceived delay. Given that I didn't dash out and buy an R5 Mark 1 immediately, it's less than four years for me, and I'll probably do the same this time around. The Mark 1 is still a great camera.
I'm confused by the anger over delays. The 1 series is refresh every 4 years for the Olympics. I don't see any delays yet.
When Canon cannot produce either camera in time for the Olympics, they are losing all credibility. I’d trust none of the BS that they are leaking out. They can’t even finalize the specifications for either camera.
I do not trust any of the leaks either.
Canon aren’t ‘leaking’ any BS, it’s other people’s assumptions we are hearing about, nothing to do with Canon.
I waited for canon too long ended up with a nikon
Nikon has some great kit.
For this design you need massively adapted production machinery... in other words, my strong guess is that its not gonna happen for the R5II and R1 when they just filed the patent, but I welcome the future with these sensors nonetheless! 👏👍
Patents don't last indefinitely, so it might be that Canon have been sitting on their application so as to get the jump on the competition. It would make sense to time its publication with having their production machinery ready to roll.
Looking at it they have been working on this patent for 2+ years before submitting it, I think registering it possibly means it's in a good enough place to come out and shock the competition as in, look what we already have
That R5 is just TOO GOOD of a camera - it makes all of these specs sound blahhh
45MP is becoming a luxury
The R5 is fine as it is for so many people.
informative news Thanks Simon.
Thanks, Simon!
You're welcome Cathy
lol we aren’t getting these. We’re getting an R7C and an R3ii 😂
why not make something real good with a 4 stacked sensor? Is this again the cripple hammer?🤣
lol
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker dont laugh, guess what sony will do next month 😀 it s not about pixels anymore, its about the amount of stacks..
With Cheese ???
To echo what others have said, put this tech in the R7 MII and I will replace my R7. Then out of shame, and tech envy replace my R5. A global shutter does not interest me, pulling detail out of a morning wildlife, astro or landscape photo does.
I'd buy one too.
And another bus went past
Without validated specs. We are all waiting for cameras we may not want to purchase once they’re released . Waste of all our time and energy.
Tony, this is the second patent that addresses performance, efficiency, DR and low light performance.... read the tea leaves...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker lol lol I hear you lol it would be nice to know the MP count at least .
* Hands You a cup of coffee! * ☕ 😆
I’ve heard it may even be a revolutionary ’Quad based’ sensor?!?!?!? 😯 🤩 😆 Readout speeds off the chart! Stay safe!
Alright so do I upgrade to the r5? Or wait it out for these to drop?😭
Save money or the the latest? Does the R5 give you the capabilities you need?
Thanks Simon, when Canon pulls this off for the R1 & R5ii, this type of sensor would be much preferred over a global shutter without further improvements on IQ ..
I've seen two other patents that touch on the same capabilities. I think its safe to say improvements to DR and low light performance are coming to the R52 and R1.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Yes, these improvements while minimizing rolling shutter are more essential than increasing upon the resolution of the R5 !
The technology all sounds new and exciting but I won't believe it until I see it. I picked up the R5 at Christmas, and I'm having a hard time finding a great image improvement over the 5D Mark IV, at this point in time I feel around 30 MP is the sweet spot anything higher is really not necessary IMO. The R5 images do not seem to be as sharp as I was expecting. I also have the R6 which I really enjoy using, but I hope in time I will find the higher MP's of the R5 acceptable. Also picked up the RF 15-35mm f/2.8, a great lens, comparing it to the EF 16-35mm f/2.8 Mark II, yes the RF lens may be a little sharper closer to the edges but all in all I didn't find that big of a difference to the EF lens. Maybe it's me and it probably is but I was expecting the R5 with the RF 15-35mm lens to be a great improvement to image quality, especially sharpness, and that's not what I'm seeing. AT the end of the day, I'm still happy with the 5D Mark IV with the EF 16-35mm f/2.8 Mark II and have spend a lot of money on the new mirrorless technology and a flippy screen 🤣👍
I'm like those un invalidated leak specifications, this shows what Canon's been spending their time and resources researching and developing. Very high probability will see this in high-end cameras, less so in low end cameras
🙄 all Sony has to do, is change their horrible ergonomics…and I’m gone! Tired of Canon’s BS!
A larger body would be nice.