The Hidden Dangers of Private Jet Travel
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
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We operate a fully fledged flight department at our company and execuJet are contracted worldwide to manage and maintain our GLEX, C350 and LJ45. Lots of SIM training. No expense spared.
Not a single incident since 1985.
You should've mentioned your company name then we all know
This is the first time in about thirty years someone is officially speaking the truth about private jet operations. Most jet owners know how to make money but have no clue who their pilots are and how well their shiny little airplane is being maintained.
If jet owners would listen to Fabrizio they would live much longer... And I don't even know Captain Poli.
Regards from the Boeing 747-8 left seat (fmr private jet jockey).
Dude it appear the same way with airlines have been reading the news lately @@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver
Many valid points. Just a few comments though. Along my 42-yr career, I've worked on most segments such as corporate flying (both Part 91 and 135), airlines (Part 121 - regional, domestic, long haul as flag / ACMI / freighters etc) and with two major training organizations (level D-FFS).
Nowadays, the way I see it - notwithstanding the mentioned statistics - is:
1)- Corporate flying can be potentially dangerous when one has the combination of an arrogant-truculent owner (with a "macho" type attitude) with an immature and/or subservient pilot in command;
2)- Certain airlines might arguably be turning into less safe operations than they used to be as the ESG 🐂💩 is gradually pushed into their flight ops departments, as if they were a brewery, a department store, a sneakers factory and so on, hiring and/or upgrading professionals based primarily on "inclusion", "diversity" etc etc rather than on proficiency. I can unfortunately say my "blacklist" has been growing quite fast.
* Regardless of how much simulator training is provided, the main ingredients for an ugly tragedy are set in any of the cases above. I agree good regulation frames and proper training are of essence to any type of operation, but nothing will ever replace good common sense and thorough recruitment and selection.
#JustPointsofView 😎🖖
Well said!!! 💯% Amen❣️🙏🏻😇
This is the first time in about thirty years someone is officially speaking the truth about private jet operations. Most jet owners know how to make money but have no clue who their pilots are and how well their shiny little airplane is being maintained.
If jet owners would listen to Fabrizio they would live much longer... And I don't even know Captain Poli.
Regards from the Boeing 747-8 left seat (fmr private jet jockey).
Thanks Renato. You have inspired me to make another video and get a bit more into detail about one of the aspects you mentioned. watch this space.
Private aviation (Part 91 or 135) is undoubtedly less safe than airline flying (Part 121) or riding in a car. Unquestionably. Unequivocally. I’m a commercial pilot, love flying, but I don’t deny reality. This is a very good video that highlights the reasons for this assertion in great detail.
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Aviation is quite safe today compared to decades ago. More than likely when crashes occur today it's going to be pilot error as opposed to mechanical failure.
the NTSB has not used the term "pilot error" in a probable cause accident summary in 40+ yrs.
As a potential passenger and renter of a private jet it would be interesting for you to make a vid on what to look for when buying time of a private jet company and not actually buying the jet itself. Thank you!
reach out to me and we'll schedule you in for a call: fab@orvilleaviation.com
Same here, great question.
Netjets has had one fatality since 2006. That's pretty impressive. I know that there hasn't been a commercial crash since Buffalo in 2009. That's incredible also. While I'm glad attention is given to safety like this video I can't lead my life in fear, otherwise I would never get in my car again.
Living in the U.K. and having extended family in Ireland, I’ve love to be able to network with private jet owners and pilots to be able to get a flight to Ireland and back from any Irish airfield (eg Liverpool - Dublin) without the drudge and hassle of the airlines
Your safety is only a good as your Captain x 2 And well trained a rested .
You forgot to mention only as good as the maintenance as well.
@@micahgreene4573
Very true indeed , but if passengers only meet the pilots they aren’t likely to thank the maintenance people unless they survived a crash or mechanical malfunction .
... and well paid!
What charter company would you recommend that’s the highest quality?
Well, aviation is a risky business at any level. One pilot told me you might be envious of me flying a jet . But if you switch off, these things will kill you no matter how confident you are in the cockpit . Every day you fly is different. And I lost several friends of mine who I felt were very experienced and confident as flight crew .
My WWII aviator dad told me flying a plane is like riding a wild horse. You’ve got to hold the reins tight I suppose. He said it can get away from you in any moment.
@@jmwSeattle I say your dad is a bit out of date. A 777 pilot going from NY to Paris, will usually hand fly the plane maybe all of 1/2 hours at both ends together. Aviation is more dangerous because if something happen, it happen at 150 mph + but if you are in your car , at 40 mph.
@@tonylam9548 I think that he means to be in control of everything and never be overconfident. Even if you’re resting the person that is charge at that moment must have your same mindset if you consider yourself a picky and highly responsive and responsible person with elevated common sense. Just my two cents ✈️
@@jmwSeattle if you get distracted for enough time you better pray that you have enough altitude to correct the plane or you will met your Creator pretty fast.
Most of these accidents are small plane owners. You can see the NTSB database. Big mid size jets rarely have accidents, they do happens but nothing compared to small aircraft, especially piston engines.
These millionaires and billionaires thinking they know better then a pilot with decades of experience is a recipe for disaster. Screw your schedule, if it's not safe, don't do it.
If I were the owner of one of these jets I would DEMAND safety over schedule every time which means my pilots and ground staff might end up hating me for being too cautious.
Interesting. I will never be flying in a private jet! I am stuck with economy seats in large long haul jets. All the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
It shouldn't take 16 minutes to cover this. By any measure, general aviation is MUCH more dangerous than commercial aviation.
whoa Gomer - hold the generalization fallacy.
General aviation is a very large bucket that includes activities like aerial applications, sometimes called crop dusting and brand new pilots flying Cessna 172's. Of course the level of safety isn't equal to an an airline. But on the other hand, high end general aviation in turbojet aircraft certificated under Part 25 can be just as safe as an airline. Stop trying to paint match sticks with a 6" wide paint brush.
What about newer jets which are certified for only single pilot? Why is the safety standard lowered?
I will not get into a single pilot plane unless I get the co-pilot seat. I do not know which pilot had the "vaccine" and can suddenly keel over , and someone else have to land the plane.
This is nothing new. Single pilot jets have been around for 40 yrs, without sacrificing safety. What is your concern exactly? The pilot becoming incapacitated?
@@tonylam9548 can you document a single accident causes by the "vaccine?"
@@buckmurdock2500lack of an alternative if something goes wrong with the first guy.
@@buckmurdock2500 yes no alternate pilot if only one
Very interesting information. Just a few questions: What about a company that offers fractional jet ownership? Like Net Jets or the Canadian Airsprint? Safety wise would they be considered like a regular airline? Or closer to it?
Thank you for sharing.
The biggest danger with owning a private jet is the cost. And I'm learning it's the engine manufacturers that is to blame. Eclipse who originally aimed for a sale price of half a million for a twin engine jet stated originally that the pratt and whitney engines would be 150k each. Eclipse has gone through several bankruptcies but when they came back around 2012 the price was suddenly close to 3million. I inquired with PW the other day about that engine because it's the smallest engine in production and they wanted 911k each. So it's hard to make a jet for half a million if the engines cost 1.822 million. And small jet engines are actually pretty simply devices. Much simpler than a combustion engine so should such an engine cost a million? the answer is a hard no. Servicing them shouldn't cost half a million each either. At 1/10 the cost they would still be overpriced. UFO disclosure might make everything a moot point but otherwise we really need an Elon Musk type to crack some stagnant greedy laid back skulls.
Elon will fix it with an electric VTOL supersonic private jet, The Tesla Jet.
@DanFrederiksen If jet engines are so simple, where is the one you designed and certificated?
You really need to do your homework. Eclipse Jet was originally designed to use Williams turbofan engines. When the engine manufacturer failed to deliver on it's promised performance by the contractual deadline, a decision was made to switch to P&W engines, which had higher fuel consumption which required more fuel that had to be added via tip tanks, which hurt performance and the snowball got bigger and bigger until it collapsed. Had Williams been given a little more time they could have delivered and Eclipse would have been a success story but that's not how aviation works. History is full of "almost successful" designs.
@@buckmurdock2500 I don't have to build it to be right. And that account isn't quite right. Williams was paid 39 million dollars by Nasa to develop a smaller engine to invigorate GA, much like I am pushing for but Williams failed to make a product out of it. After taking all that money they couldn't be bothered even though scaling down the FJ33 would be trivial. So Williams majorly let us down and should really be shamed for that. Pratt and Whitney apparently did the trivial work and offered a half decent engine with quite good fuel economy. Even though the Eclipse is foolishly made with sheet metal and rivets, it's actually the best plane around even though it's not much talked about. Far superior to Visionjet. Probably because of the multiple bankruptcies. I found a statement from Eclipse from 2006 iirc when they switched to Pratt that the engines were expected to cost 150k which would still be overpriced but workable. So somewhere along the line PW decided to be scum and charge way more for the small engines and in turn crippled Eclipse. When Eclipse returned around 2012 the price was suddenly 2.9million instead of the half million they originally targeted. With 1.822million in engines alone it's no wonder they couldn't do that. What they should have done is kill PW and make their own, Elon Musk style.
A car turbo might cost 300$ retail with massive markups and it's made from the same inconel and needs similar balance and durability. I googled around if jet engines use super exotic ball bearings but no, pretty standard SKF and Schaeffler stuff. Even big fighter jet engines.
@@DanFrederiksen that's funny that you think a car turbo is essentially the same as a jet engine. The cost of a basic airplane turbocharger is in the $5000 range. It has all that accountability stuff that car parts are not required to have.
You should use google more often and search "Eclipse jet friction stir welding." The Eclipse was slightly more than foolish sheet metal and rivets.
My neighbor had an Eclipse jet for a little while. They were given a handheld radio and GPS to fly it home as it had no avionics. That's no way to build a customer base. As I said history is full of "almost successful designs."
Can you do a show about the pro and cons of having your own plane or going with a subscription like netjets?
Great video!
I was once invited several years ago to view a Gulfstream 200 operated by a well known jet time share company. I looked at the plane and thought it was wonderful and it would more than suit my needs. There were also larger jets available for people who want to travel internationally.
Then I asked the pilot, "How many hours do you have in type?" The reply: "Fifteen!" All that for a mere $250,000 a year for a few hours of flight time.
You should not judge the pilot for the number of hours he works but the value he brings to you in keeping you safe.
Hi Fab,
What's your take on Honda jet echelon?
here I talk about it: ua-cam.com/video/0voehXeYeAg/v-deo.html
This issue keeps most people up at night. Teachers, nurses, plumbers, and every other normal person you see around you wonders if their private jet is safe and often consider the possibility that they should opt for the first class cabin on a Singapore Airlines A380 instead.
Good insight thanks
Thanks!
To me years of actual operations and 1 os 2 types of jets not 8 different aircraft models 2 of each?.
which company is he refering to at 11:47 min ??? the one that does 4 extensive trainings a year, operating for 35 years incident free
Which jet aircraft companies have a reputation for lowest frequency mechanical failures?
If you reach out to me and schedule a one to one call I can shed some light on your question. fab@orvilleaviation.com
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@@marksamuelsen2750: that’s the one in USA, I think…..
define "jet aircraft company"
The 'hidden dangers of private jet travel' are miniscule compared to driving down a 2-lane highway in a car. This is sensationalism and clickbait; private jet travel has an incredible safety record compared to other forms of travel
I don’t think he was comparing private jets to highways and secondary road safety. Automobile safety is not even a thing. Didn’t he compare private to commercial? I wouldn’t fly GA or in a G550 before I fly economy on Southwest. Ever.
As a commercial pilot myself, maybe the numbers and the 9x multiplier is questionable - hard to do an apples to apples comparison. But I disagree with you completely about safety. Airlines are safer, yes. But not private air travel, and for the very reasons he mentioned.
@@SyriusStarMultimedia i’m not sure it’s that dangerous. If I knew the flight program and how it was run, I’d have no problem flying in a private jet. But there’s a wide variability based on pilot training, program, focus, and cost savings when you’re flying part 91 (private flying). Part 121 (airline flying) is much more structured and regulated.
The data clearly shows that private jets are doing terrible compared to airlines if it is about flight safety and operational standards. Part 91 turbine ops and especially single pilot IFR turbine operations should be prohibited. These operations are crating most accidents and make private jet/turboprops look very bad.
Like it or not, it costs a fortune to fly and maintain an aircraft. There is no getting around the cost that a top repair shop charges to do the job right. There is no getting around the cost of hiring top pilots and on going simulator training.
The cost to maintain the aircraft to top standards, do all the routine maintenance, annuals, and everything by the book is astronomical. I'm sure that if you did your due diligence you could find a time share company that does everything by the book. Including hiring and training their pilots.
It is always best to own your own jet, hire a good Lead Captain and let him manage the plane. The advantage your business will have in owning and operating the airplane as a business tool will have an excellent ROI. the problem is that most people do not go about it in the right way. The purpose of Biz Jet TV is to show the right way.
Very informational😳
Glad you think so!
This is the first time in about thirty years someone is officially speaking the truth about private jet operations. Most jet owners know how to make money but have no clue who their pilots are and how well their shiny little airplane is being maintained.
If jet owners would listen to Fabrizio they would live much longer... And I don't even know Captain Poli.
Regards from the Boeing 747-8 left seat (fmr private jet jockey).
117 die on our roads everyday in the usa😢
The most hidden danger is getting used to that lifestyle and then losing it…
Just losing the eye candy on each arm that comes with that lifestyle would be devastating. I doubt they would stick around for "love"
New Sub!
I mean……you can always fly Spirit right? Click bait
The fatality rate for ALL of general aviation (anything other than scheduled airlines) is almost identical to motorcycling. Do your research.
Thanks for the info
Too bad we don't have a control group that accounts for stupidity factors, like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Much of the risk in motorcycling is controllable and even more so in flying.
very true @@buckmurdock2500
The rule of thumb I heard is, if your company paid say $30 mil for the jet, and you use it say 200 hour a year, in 7 years, it will cost you another $30 mil. for expenses. So your jet better scoop in enough new business and saved time to be worth that. Flying drunk is a serious offense, but somehow the "vaccine" is not. A drunk will sober up in time but a vaxed pilot can just keel over and someone else will have to land the thing. I rather fly with a slightly drunk pilot. I will not get in a single pilot plane unless I get the co-pilot seat. All civilian jets are still up against the "sound barrier" A make that claim class speed record only beat the next one down by maybe 3 kts in cruise.So most jets are only suitable for local North American travels. I am from Asia and just 3 makes have the range to make it with no stops to the far east, and still their range is inferior than a 787. A biz jet is only good for short predictable shorter range travel. (USA) Even if you own one of the 3 makes that will get you to Asia, there is the crew to consider. Let say if I wanted to stay there 3 weeks+ the crew might not want that, Even if you pay them well, they have families too. Maybe instead of what I told them I want to come home to YYZ after 3 weeks, now I wanted to go to Sydney for another 2 weeks. I have a hard time keep pilots and flt attendants. I do not like jets, too high profile, and most of the newer jets with high by-pass engines are nothing but glorified turbo props. They fooled the ignorant public by renaming the prop a fan and hid it in a shroud. If I am 20 years younger, and have money, I buy a PC12 or King Air with Turtle Pack fuel bladders added. I can go anywhere.
Yeah, that's why I don't ride around in a limo. Too high profile. I'll stick to my Fiat 500. lmao . . .
Get a KingAir😅
No matter it is extremely expensive to own and operate, even a small jet aircraft.
It isn't expensive, if used correctly it is an amazing investment. It all depends on how big you think.
expense is relative. A CEO generating tens of thousands of dollars to a company's value every day, a biz jet is like the coffee pot in the break room, just another appliance.
You can't say somebody tried to hijack your airplane with a bomb without telling the story.I'm sorry you just can't do that.
Man you are getting ready to be attacked by people with TOP $$ . I personally haven't flown in a private jet but I know for a fact that the airlines pilots are dangerous at times for the simple fact they are TIRED I see it all the time at the airport. When they crash there are more passengers on the plane than a private jet.
The core message of the video is that private jet travel can be a lot more safer because you control more of the operation. However, it needs to be done in a certain way!
This is the first time in about thirty years someone is officially speaking the truth about private jet operations. Most jet owners know how to make money but have no clue who their pilots are and how well their shiny little airplane is being maintained.
If jet owners would listen to Fabrizio they would live much longer... And I don't even know Captain Poli.
Regards from the Boeing 747-8 left seat (fmr private jet jockey).
This guy is WRONG. I am retired military, retired Part 121 and current Part 135, so I know how all of them operate. He is wrong.
wrong about what? You could gain a lot of credibility by using something other than appeal to authority fallacy as your argument.
I don't think he's wrong. This is the first time in about thirty years someone is officially speaking the truth about private jet operations. Most jet owners know how to make money but have no clue who their pilots are and how well their shiny little airplane is being maintained.
If jet owners would listen to Fabrizio they would live much longer... And I don't even know Captain Poli.
Regards from the Boeing 747-8 left seat (fmr private jet jockey).
@@buckmurdock2500 Well - listen to the video from beginning to end. The info he professes is simply incorrect. I can't speak to the percentage of accidents he claims (and I am not willing to spend my precious time researching it), but his claim that private jets are 9.2 times more dangerous than Part 121 is comparable to saying near zero is greater than near zero. Gibberish. His implication that private jets are not properly maintained is, in my experience, not correct. The ones I fly are as well maintained as the Part 121 jets I flew. While it is true that private jet pilots must accomplish more tasks than Part 121, the amount of extra work is not overwhelming and the pilot is dealing with only a few individuals rather than hundreds on a commercial flight. As far as the pilots doing as the passengers demand (i.e., landing in weather that is dangerous), it simply doe not happen! As pilots, we decide if landing at a particular airport is possible and we advise the passengers. We DO NOT do as the passengers demand. Regarding training, my Part 135 training is just as rigorous and frequent as Part 121. Neither 121 or 135 are a rigorous as military training and currency because there are weapons employment and ejection seats involved. That is all the time I have available at the moment to answer your question, but I reiterate that Mr Poli is WRONG.
@@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver Mr Poli is wrong and you, by default, are wrong.
The info he professes is simply incorrect. I can't speak to the percentage of accidents he claims (and I am not willing to spend my precious time researching it), but his claim that private jets are 9.2 times more dangerous than Part 121 is comparable to saying near zero is greater than near zero. Gibberish. His implication that private jets are not properly maintained is, in my experience, not correct. The ones I fly are as well maintained as the Part 121 jets I flew. While it is true that private jet pilots must accomplish more tasks than Part 121, the amount of extra work is not overwhelming and the pilot is dealing with only a few individuals rather than hundreds on a commercial flight. As far as the pilots doing as the passengers demand (i.e., landing in weather that is dangerous), it simply does not happen! As pilots, we decide if landing at a particular airport is possible and we advise the passengers. We DO NOT do as the passengers demand. Regarding training, my Part 135 training is just as rigorous and frequent as Part 121. Neither 121 or 135 are a rigorous as military training and currency because there are weapons employment and ejection seats involved. That is all the time I have available at the moment to answer your question, but I reiterate that Mr Poli is WRONG.
Retired military pilot, fine. Me too. But the guy is right. Proove different.
In The United States The Maintenance Requirements and MANDATED SCHEDULE is VERY Demanding! Tedious, and Restrictive. Private Health Insurance Company's For Top Earning CEO's nd Celebrities, Conduct Safety Inspection Audits For Stick Compliance Regarding Private Corporate Jets. They Also REQUIRE ROUTINE DRUG SCREENING for The Entire Maintenance Crew and Flight Crews! If You Dont Have Your S*** Together YOU DONT FLY PRIVATE! PERIOD! Insurance Companies Are The Private Jet POLICE! Their Clients Are Insurance for BILLIONS of Dollars (no Millions) BILLIONS!
Hi is very boring no since to listen. 😢
Silly commentary…wasteful video
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