The absolute first thing I want to know from every single Black Hebrew Israelite is "have you tested your genetics?". These brothas want so badly to be the chosen people that they will make up even more stuff than is already in the Bible. The whole hair like wool and skin like burnt bronze is a brown person with kinky hair. I say this as a black man who has been around many cultures: there are many people from around the globe with brown skin and kinky hair who are not Black. BHI folks make me sad
Exactly! He had nothing of substance in his own argument so he held on to one time Justin said the burnt offering was a bull…..then couldn’t let it go twisting and shouting that justin said it HAD to be a bull. Justin never said that. Simply used the bull as a specific example of a burnt offering. Oof! 🤦🏽♂️
It's distressing to me that so many Black people want to write themselves into such terrible mythologies. As a Black man 20 years sober from Christianity, I want nothing to do with those religions.
@montyjay6ix601 I appreciate the encouraging response, brother. Videos like this can do a lot of good to people caught up in these mind-warping beliefs.
My heart broke for her. I remember being her 30 years ago and wanting so desperately for it to be true. It even took another 15 years to fully deconstruct.
@@phoenixrising4172 Nope. The people who talk over Justin and try to correct him on everything have ignorance. Anna and her grandma showed meekness and listened. Anna's grandma knows some stuff and was very respectful. Notice how Justin took the conversation from slightly adversarial to one where they were listening to him and actually praising him for his knowledge. I'm so so so tired of all the atheist shows that shout at people. If Anna and her grandma had called in to one of those, something tells me they'd have a much worse view of non-believers.
@malirk I agree. It's way more productive to actually try and reason with them kindly. Nobody has ever changed their mind because someone was rude to them. 👍
I absolutely love that you are utilizing that mute button more. That makes me smile hehe. It's like watching a calm version of Matt Dillahunty lol. In a way, it's even funnier because it's like a dad just taking control because the child is just being nonsensical and disrespectful 😂
30,000 Views!!! Congrats Justin!!! This amount of interest so quickly (12 hours) from a post/live is incredible. I wish you all the best man. I hope that the others in your "friends" group on TikTok can spread this interest to the world on UA-cam. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
I’m actually legitimately shocked that the second debater had no clue about animal sacrifices being specific animals. I’ve been to dozens of churches in my life and that is one of the FEW things from the Old Testament that they ABSOLUTELY bring up. It’s a way to make you feel bad about how easy it is now to get forgiveness compared to in the beginning. Because they use words like lamb which implies an innocent baby sheep. But this guy must have used the same techniques in service that he uses when talking to people. Not listening and waiting for his turn to talk, or just talking over them.
All detailed in Leviticus. Commit a "sin", break a "commandment", twist the head off a pigeon, drain its blood, pluck off its feathers, burn it on a wood pile, viola! "sin cleansed". There are more than 10 commandments. Each chapter in Leviticus ends with "these are my commandments", so there are hundreds of commandments. There are only 120 animal species mentioned in the Jew-Book "holy bible" and four of them are a talking serpent, a talking donkey, a griffon and unicorns. All the illustrations of Noah's Ark shows elephants and giraffes at the front of the line and the Jew-Book "holy bible" has not mention of elephants or giraffes, because the primitive ignorant Jews living on the east end of the Mediterranean had never been to Africa. Also, no mention of monkeys or apes.
He really wanted to get stuck on particulars but only when it wasn't important. He completely missed the point which is that a burnt offering was a specific offering. It wasn't just any offering.
Exactly. The point was crazy obvious that a burnt offering strictly refers to specific things, it was part of the old covenant, and the gentiles will do those same specific burnt offerings that the Israelites did as part of the OLD covenant. Guest refuuuuused to do anything but obfuscate lol.
As I listen to these livestreams and read the Bible it is painfully obvious that most, not many, not some, MOST Christians do not and have not read the bible. All they do is go based off of what someone else told them or their feelings.
The delusion of the guy who thought he had something by trying to be pedantic about burnt offerings is remarkable. If you're that guy and you're reading this, you should be embarassed.
To the ladies at the end; he studied to get it right to be a pastor. Most people that really study and remove any indoctrination, learn that it's full of contradictions. Therefore, an honest person cannot believe that the Bible is factual in any way.
Grandma and granddaughter were sweet but extremely indoctrinated. I felt that they weren’t actively listening or critically thinking about what Justin was pointing out.
Yeah, but words don't mean words as we all know. Which means that this passage is clearly talking about how Doug will turn the earth into a barren wasteland (in 4 billion or so years when the sun begins to expand. But let's ignore that inconvenient part.)
Bless your heart. You are the most patient person I know. Some of these conversations are very discombobulated and not thought out well. People need to get their facts together first. I do so much enjoy your show. You are so right. Preachers also get very upset and defensive when you ask the right question. They cannot answer most questions because they use scissors to make facts and exempt the rest of the statements to provide clarity that does not fit their presumptions. I guess I am monotheistic. There is a God to regulate everything. Also, there is nothing in the old testament that says to be continued. People are being indoctrinated to keep the churches going because it's a good job.
If Justin fought atheism? A comment was given, if Justin would just put all this study to serve their side... And... no, it wouldn't. This is the point. All this study, will steer you away from seeing a "loving god" and a "koomba ya Jesus" in this book, it can't be helped. Yes, Justin COULD dodge all of these points that are in the text of the Bible, but... There aren't the "other side" points to lay out to begin with. The only layout good points of the bible are in the imaginations of the people who haven't read and studied it yet. If you are one who starts to study this book, and are only trying to prove it... you are missing all of the study. Study this book, to study. Don't try to "prove" anything, and then you will be the "studied" one. Knowing the text is the lack of belief problem with the collection of books. this is the timestamp, where grandmother gives Justin such a nice accomplished comment: 6:20:19 Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
41:43 Theist: "Jesus had started to fulfill this great prophecy! Conquering all the lands of earth as a god king shooting lasers from his eyes, riding in on a donkey!!!" Atheist: "Oh yea? That's crazy impressive! Which part has he done so far?" Christian: "He rode... A donkey!!!" Atheist: ... Do these guys even hear themselves? And by the way, I don't see how it matters what we believe. It either came true or it didn't. I could say ANYTHING is GOING to happen. It's always the most impressive ones that are about to happen any day now....
Hermeneutics hermeneutics is an activity that interests biblical scholars, and the word is sometimes used in philosophy as well. Words don't mean words. Symbolism, at the forefront of it. Symbolism, is what little children do to play word games. Making fantasy games of the words is great for creative writing, but creative interpretation of something that is supposed to be important for your life is not acceptable.
51:24 this caller is insufferable!!! He wants to steamroll you SOOOO BAD and is sooo butt hurt that you are refusing to let him by muting him. Can you imagine how annoying this fruit loop would be without a mute button?! Justin you have an incredible ability to stay focused and calm while these fish are flopping about on your boat.
I love the conspiracy Christians who don’t trust the establishment and disaster with the Catholic Church on everything, calling them liars and manipulators, yet still follow the same religion and don’t think twice lol.
Justin, I don't understand how people can read what you put on the screen, hear the FACTS, not feelings, and still believe? I appreciate so much that you share your vast education with us. 🩷🌸🩷 ALL HAIL DOUGGIE!
Omg the second dude is so annoying. "Oooohh" ooohhhh so you cant show me?... cause my eyes are closed and i refuse to see. He knows a burnt offering is a burned animal. Hes purposely sticking on the word bull to try to act like thay proves your wrong cause they coulda burnt a lamb.🙄
I like how that arrogant caller around the 1 he mark said “ I’ve prob read Leviticus more than you.” Lol. I guess he doesn’t normally watch this stream.
1:51:00 People fail to grasp that the writers of the New Testament were deeply familiar with the Old Testament. They deliberately aligned the New Testament with certain elements of the Old Testament, creating a sense of continuity that makes their claims seem more credible. Imagine if I were to invent a new religion and embed language or concepts borrowed from the Quran-people a thousand years from now might find it convincing simply because the texts align. But that alignment wouldn’t make my new religion any more true.
Why does the mute button trip these guys up so bad? If god wants his messengers heard can’t he just un mute it for them & mute Justin? Maybe God is on an older operating system..
Imagine having the ability to go through life reading words and then change the context to what you want it to be. Nice Idea on fantasy land but it ain't gonna help you in the real world
Why are American Christians so married to the King James Version? Surely it makes sense that the later translations have access to more data and thus would be more accurate?
King James Version is the Protestant version. The Puritan Pilgrims were Protestant. The Protestant "christians" take an oath of fealty and loyalty to the Anglican Protestant Church of England.
@voidagent it is not the only Protestant translation. I was an Anglican, from South Africa, and we never used the KJV. I think it's just part of the "romanticism" of Christianity. It also makes them feel as if they're "apart".
@@MrHbgabs South Africa was a Dutch colony first with the Catholic Jew-Book "holy bible" installed before becoming a Protestant Imperial English Colony. All of this minutiae are irrelevant, doesn't change the fact the Jew-Book "holy bible" is superstitious Jew Junk, an irrational delusional fantasy from cover to cover.
5:40:48 It’s hard to see why this is so confusing for her. The writers of the New Testament were clearly familiar with the stories and language of the Old Testament. They knew how to craft symbolic connections between the two, aligning the new narrative with the old to create continuity and meaning. Now, if the New Testament authors had no knowledge of the Old Testament and yet still mirrored its symbolic language, that would indeed be remarkable. But that’s not what happened. They drew from the texts they already knew, so the symbolic gesturing isn’t surprising-it’s intentional.
I love how these crybabies come to argue with a scholar and then have the nerve to say "because you know you're getting cooked" when they bring up being muted, as if the host is just a dishonest troll trying to silence the truth and that's totally not what the caller is. That just shows the projection in these people. Then he says "you're just adding to the Bible," when literally every Christian does this to make the book fit their narrative. They project enough to fill every screen in the theater 😂
Theist "are you saying that burnt offerings are always the same?" Host "YES, according to the Bible this is what a burnt offering is" Theist "omg what you're dodging" ffs 🤦♀️
You missed that the theist kept dropping the word "burnt". That was essentially the whole argument. Host was talking about a specific type of offering and the theist was trying to escape by referring to any kind of offering in general.
One thing I'm getting from watching these. Is that just how much some believe what the bible says, as opposed to what it actually says. I'm guessing that they must have been told incorrectly for so long, or the apologetics so long they just accept it? Thinking on this more, it isn't too strange, People do that outside of the bible as well. For instance, pretty much every picture ever shown of our sun is colorized with an orange/yellow for many reasons of illustration. But because of that so many people think that the sun is in fact orange/yellow, But it is in fact white.I really respect what you are doing here in these.
With that much rain to cover all the mountains (breathing animals live above 10,000 feet) the ocean pH would change killing most ocean life. The Ark did not contain two of each fish species, and plankton.
Enjoyed this live. The whole "we send ourselves to hell" bs is...well bs...those places that depict hell NO ONE voluntarily goes...they are thrown in...not walking in voluntarily
Hey, thanks for giving some of your time. You're very kind person, and I hope to learn a lot more from you. Hopefully, I'll meet you one day. Thanks again
Isa 1:11 To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. Ps 106:28 They joined themselves also unto Baalpeor, and *ate the sacrifices of the dead* . Ro 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he *might be Lord both of the dead* and living. Isa 26:19 Thy dead [men] shall live,* [together with] my dead body* shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Mr 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, *Take, eat: this is my body.* Eze 39:18 Ye shall *eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth* , of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. Ac 3:15 And *killed the Prince of life* , whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Ro 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be *married to another* , [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. WE ARE IN THE ZOMBIE APOCALUPSIS. THE ONLY WAY THEY STAY DEAD IF IF YOU DECAPITATE THEM WHILE THEY ARE TRYING TO EAT YOUR BRAIN!
There are no fulfilled prophecies. The Gospel writers made up stories to parallel them. Also, they paralleled verses in the OT, i.e., Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days. Jesus was in the tomb for three days etc
I can imagine that people who lived around Lake Kinneret, like the ones in the Gospels, would be thinking about fish more than the ones living in the Judean hills who composed the Hebrew Bible. Also, unless it was a happy coincidence, the fish image drew upon the abbreviation ιχθυς (fish), for Ιησους Χριστος Θεου Υιος Σοτερ, "Jesus Christ son of God, Savior."
4:51:00 I am a Ghanaian atheist. I used to be a 7th Day Adventist. And we used to justify our practice by also breaking down the meaning of “memenda” to “me-ne-me-da” which directly translate to would mean “I am Me Day” But just as the brother responded with Dogma. “Dog -ma” can also be broken down to mean son of a b”tch 😂😂. Words are not sentences simply Cus you break them down in syllables
Wait wait wait. So I'm supposed to "love" this god who, in his infinite wisdom, created a law code of TWO LAWS, one of those laws being that I'm supposed to love the god....? You cannot be serious my friend. You've been backed into a corner such that your belief system has now been reduced to a law code with the same sophistication of a "no gurlz allouwd" sign on the outside of a 1st grader's pillow fort. That's incredibly embarrassing for you sir.
Maybe it’s my imagination but didn’t the same grandma who agreed with her granddaughter(6 hour and 5 minute mark) that people should not be threatening Justin with Hell, threaten him with hell about five minutes or so, prior?
I am enjoying the live streams, I have a question, What books and chapters are the prophecies of the messiah? When ever I go to look it up, I just get Christian apologists.
The popular ones are Isaiah 2, 11, Jeremiah 33, Ezekiel 36-37, Micah 4-5, but I would suggest that there isn't a really well defined idea of a singular messiah in the OT.
Pausing to comment at 5:43:32 // Do you think an analogy would help here? What comes to mind for me is how movie directors FREQUENTLY refer to older, classic movies. How many times as someone evoked the imagery of ‘The Shining’ in a modern movie? Does that make ‘The Shining’ prophetic in some way? Of course not. My point here is that writers and artists make allusions all the time. It is not unique and it does not “match perfectly” with anything. This is a writer that has rhetorical goals and is making allusions to things to fit those goals.
I was hoping he would point that out, too. Like even if it was a prophecy, the only reason it “fits perfectly” is because it was written afterward, with the motivation to match up and make people think a certain way. Sigh.
Maury or however he spells his name is one of the most frustrating people to try to deal with. He is so ignorant and struggles to follow even the most basic points. He also doesn’t grasp that his broad language creates issues while Justin is being specific for a reason. Also, Justin asked why would they be sacrificing bulls. That’s not exclusive as only bulls, it is that bull sacrifice will be taking place
If I write down all numbers 1-100 and then claim that it perfectly fits as a list of even numbers is exactly what she is trying to do with scripture. 3:27:35
The verbal gymnastics that the woman at about three hours goes through is phenomenal. Every excuse is trotted out from different words in different languages mean different things. This is the bible we're talking about it is supposed to be the word of god and he can't make the meaning of his words clear! This is a stupid, ludicrous god!
Show us one Prophecy in the Old Testament that took over 2000 years to fulfill and then we will grant you the possibility that the dead Jesus may rise again and return to accomplish the second half of all frivolous so-called prophecies
Every single time she is shown to be wrong she dismissed it and changed the subject? You should remind people like her claiming the Hebrew and Greek could be mistranslated that you read both. And often people do not seem to know your educational background which will affect what they accept you saying. 3:15:59
@@thebipolarpsychonaut4984 I was, but it didn't hold. Grew up Catholic and scientific curiosity was encouraged. The sect of Catholicism that I grew up in lost most of a generation that way.
1:16:05 Wow. An insane level of dishonesty. Truly unbelievable the amount of pretzel logic you have to do to avoid honestly looking at your book to end up with "maybe he just made a law code that has two laws in it?". The god...of the universe...has a plan to send his son down and prescribe the rules for the near infinite complexity of human interaction...and his solution is these two vague laws that aren't even that useful. Weird hill to die on my brother. I just don't even know what to say to a person that has gotten to this level of dishonesty and mental deficiency.
Arameans are not Caucasian, they are Semitic or from the Semitic tribes. Still, the caller’s claims about “black Israelites “ are incorrect, just pure insanity.
I know it's easy to think BHIs are silly, and they are, but honestly they're no more silly than anyone else who thinks they're the people from these mythologies
2:33:45 the zodiac guy was interesting because it’s a little bit different I guess. But zodiac is utter nonsense - to believe that faint celestial bodies millions and millions of miles away have any effect on humans lives are ridiculous.
He was clearly wrong about that, but he meant to say "the precession of the equinox". It's in relation to the Earth's wobble on it's axis and which stellar constellation is most prominent based on where we are in the wobble. This is where we get "ages" from. Each age equals one constellation that ended up being used as the zodiac started in ancient Middle East. For a better, more detailed explanation of this and the link to Christianity there are two movies that I recommend: "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist Addendum" Both are free on YT now, I think, but are great to watch for the information contained. Has a great explanation of how our banking system works, why it is a bad design, why previous presidents tried to abolish it, and how it is still being used here anyways. I just remembered what it is called "federal reserve banking". More debt than monies existing, unpayable debt, is baked in intentionally. ✌️
can you get someone else with a fun accent to call people names like malakas in fun languages? full respect its so cool to hear i miss your copilot lady. she was super smart and funny.
Can you jump on a live with inspiring philosophy or god logic. These guys come across super self righteous and would be good to hear them chat to some one they can’t twist scripture \ bluff with
@ not sure about I.P but god logic is always on live challenging people as to why their view is wrong and Christianity is right (mostly muslims though). No way they would come over to your channel, the way you break down prophecy ect they wouldn’t want any part of that especially with you knowing the original languages 😅.
This was one of my favorite lives. The Black Hebrew Israelite had me rolling on the floor. Well done Justin with your patience with Anna and Grandma.
Thanks friend! Those BHI are unreal. So confident in such nonsense. Definitely a big win for Ann and Grandma getting great people.
Bhi are so insane that they'd say you were black despite you're Hispanic or white.
Hebrew israelites are nuts. I have dreadlocks past my waist but they say I'm from esau because my great grandfather was yt.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Should ask the next one about Pharaoh Akhenaten. They are obsessed with Akhenaten for some reason 😂
The absolute first thing I want to know from every single Black Hebrew Israelite is "have you tested your genetics?". These brothas want so badly to be the chosen people that they will make up even more stuff than is already in the Bible. The whole hair like wool and skin like burnt bronze is a brown person with kinky hair. I say this as a black man who has been around many cultures: there are many people from around the globe with brown skin and kinky hair who are not Black. BHI folks make me sad
justin: burnt offering dishonest christian: SPAZZES OUT FOR 30 MINUTES
That was a classic case of deflection.
Exactly! He had nothing of substance in his own argument so he held on to one time Justin said the burnt offering was a bull…..then couldn’t let it go twisting and shouting that justin said it HAD to be a bull. Justin never said that. Simply used the bull as a specific example of a burnt offering. Oof! 🤦🏽♂️
The dishonest Christian was literally stalling for 30 minutes
Even the idea that God loves the smell of burning animals is absurd. How is that not a coffin nail?
@@BadReligion1983 - at this point "dishonest christian" is just redundant. I've never met an honest one so....
It's distressing to me that so many Black people want to write themselves into such terrible mythologies. As a Black man 20 years sober from Christianity, I want nothing to do with those religions.
Or when they convert from christianity to islam. The only religion that can hope to rival christianity when it comes to enslaving black africans.
Good for you bro. I know its hard ppl like us in our community but we will be better off when we can drop this toxic nonsense.
@montyjay6ix601 I appreciate the encouraging response, brother. Videos like this can do a lot of good to people caught up in these mind-warping beliefs.
Bro I agree 100%! Religion, ALL of it, is toxic on our community.
I think it's the result of having our history stolen from us. We want to reach back for something even if it's awful.
These “Christian“ callers are some of the most disingenuous people I have ever heard speak.
The segment by these African guys is hilarious. Haven't laughed like that in a long time. Akan to you, lol.
Man. That young lady with her grandmother in the background. I feel for her, being constantly coached. The indoctrination is strong.
My heart broke for her. I remember being her 30 years ago and wanting so desperately for it to be true. It even took another 15 years to fully deconstruct.
Loves her grandma, doesn't realise how batshit grandma is lol
Anne and her grandmother were a great conversation to listen to 👍
Ignorance All The Way!!!
@@phoenixrising4172 Nope. The people who talk over Justin and try to correct him on everything have ignorance. Anna and her grandma showed meekness and listened. Anna's grandma knows some stuff and was very respectful. Notice how Justin took the conversation from slightly adversarial to one where they were listening to him and actually praising him for his knowledge.
I'm so so so tired of all the atheist shows that shout at people. If Anna and her grandma had called in to one of those, something tells me they'd have a much worse view of non-believers.
Sometimes you find callers that are genuine and sometimes you get callers like Mari who's always a jackass, on every single live he joins.
@malirk I agree. It's way more productive to actually try and reason with them kindly. Nobody has ever changed their mind because someone was rude to them. 👍
Their first interaction was...not good. Their second interaction went much better and the ladies got a gentle lesson in FAFO.
“He has all of this knowledge and doesn’t believe any of it” is the perfect summary for Justin 😂
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Justin Has The Patience The God of The Bible Should Have While Seated At The Right Side Of Doug!!!
I absolutely love that you are utilizing that mute button more. That makes me smile hehe. It's like watching a calm version of Matt Dillahunty lol. In a way, it's even funnier because it's like a dad just taking control because the child is just being nonsensical and disrespectful 😂
30,000 Views!!!
Congrats Justin!!! This amount of interest so quickly (12 hours) from a post/live is incredible. I wish you all the best man.
I hope that the others in your "friends" group on TikTok can spread this interest to the world on UA-cam.
Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
Haha, the Hebrew Israelite never understood a single thing Justin said. Perfect example of a "brick wall."
Justin gives the phrase "Bible thumping" a whole new meaning! 🥰
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" fish werent as common in the old testament ..."
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I made that "come on!" meme face.
I’m actually legitimately shocked that the second debater had no clue about animal sacrifices being specific animals. I’ve been to dozens of churches in my life and that is one of the FEW things from the Old Testament that they ABSOLUTELY bring up. It’s a way to make you feel bad about how easy it is now to get forgiveness compared to in the beginning. Because they use words like lamb which implies an innocent baby sheep. But this guy must have used the same techniques in service that he uses when talking to people. Not listening and waiting for his turn to talk, or just talking over them.
All detailed in Leviticus. Commit a "sin", break a "commandment", twist the head off a pigeon, drain its blood, pluck off its feathers, burn it on a wood pile, viola! "sin cleansed". There are more than 10 commandments. Each chapter in Leviticus ends with "these are my commandments", so there are hundreds of commandments. There are only 120 animal species mentioned in the Jew-Book "holy bible" and four of them are a talking serpent, a talking donkey, a griffon and unicorns. All the illustrations of Noah's Ark shows elephants and giraffes at the front of the line and the Jew-Book "holy bible" has not mention of elephants or giraffes, because the primitive ignorant Jews living on the east end of the Mediterranean had never been to Africa. Also, no mention of monkeys or apes.
The dude that wanted to quibble over the offering being a bull or not was no more than a disingenuous idiot.
He really wanted to get stuck on particulars but only when it wasn't important. He completely missed the point which is that a burnt offering was a specific offering. It wasn't just any offering.
Exactly. The point was crazy obvious that a burnt offering strictly refers to specific things, it was part of the old covenant, and the gentiles will do those same specific burnt offerings that the Israelites did as part of the OLD covenant. Guest refuuuuused to do anything but obfuscate lol.
great show as always, what a nice bunch of christians to end the stream with.
happy holiday season everyone.
As I listen to these livestreams and read the Bible it is painfully obvious that most, not many, not some, MOST Christians do not and have not read the bible. All they do is go based off of what someone else told them or their feelings.
The delusion of the guy who thought he had something by trying to be pedantic about burnt offerings is remarkable.
If you're that guy and you're reading this, you should be embarassed.
When Justin says "sure as f*ck does".....😂😂😂😂😂
This entire "live" was awesome and at times, quite humorous! Thank you to all who participated! So very enlightening! Thank you Justin!🩷🌸🩷
To the ladies at the end; he studied to get it right to be a pastor. Most people that really study and remove any indoctrination, learn that it's full of contradictions. Therefore, an honest person cannot believe that the Bible is factual in any way.
Grandma and granddaughter were sweet but extremely indoctrinated. I felt that they weren’t actively listening or critically thinking about what Justin was pointing out.
I felt like Ann was genuinely curious but grandma was in shock 😆😆😆
She was nice too look at though
@@tomahadel Be a creep somewhere else.
1:43:10 Justin prophesied psalms 22 and the very next caller (Liz) started with....psalms 22.
Yeah, but words don't mean words as we all know. Which means that this passage is clearly talking about how Doug will turn the earth into a barren wasteland (in 4 billion or so years when the sun begins to expand. But let's ignore that inconvenient part.)
Bless your heart. You are the most patient person I know. Some of these conversations are very discombobulated and not thought out well. People need to get their facts together first. I do so much enjoy your show. You are so right. Preachers also get very upset and defensive when you ask the right question. They cannot answer most questions because they use scissors to make facts and exempt the rest of the statements to provide clarity that does not fit their presumptions. I guess I am monotheistic. There is a God to regulate everything. Also, there is nothing in the old testament that says to be continued. People are being indoctrinated to keep the churches going because it's a good job.
Love your channel, love your supporters. Love the gifted membership. Thank you whoever it was and hail Doug 🙌 😅
If Justin fought atheism?
A comment was given, if Justin would just put all this study to serve their side...
And... no, it wouldn't. This is the point. All this study, will steer you away from seeing a "loving god" and a "koomba ya Jesus" in this book, it can't be helped.
Yes, Justin COULD dodge all of these points that are in the text of the Bible, but... There aren't the "other side" points to lay out to begin with. The only layout good points of the bible are in the imaginations of the people who haven't read and studied it yet.
If you are one who starts to study this book, and are only trying to prove it... you are missing all of the study. Study this book, to study. Don't try to "prove" anything, and then you will be the "studied" one. Knowing the text is the lack of belief problem with the collection of books.
this is the timestamp, where grandmother gives Justin such a nice accomplished comment:
6:20:19
Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
41:43
Theist: "Jesus had started to fulfill this great prophecy! Conquering all the lands of earth as a god king shooting lasers from his eyes, riding in on a donkey!!!"
Atheist: "Oh yea? That's crazy impressive! Which part has he done so far?"
Christian: "He rode... A donkey!!!"
Atheist: ...
Do these guys even hear themselves? And by the way, I don't see how it matters what we believe. It either came true or it didn't. I could say ANYTHING is GOING to happen. It's always the most impressive ones that are about to happen any day now....
I love the faux-yawn these chumps give when faced with something undeniable and inconvenient to their claim. I've heard it a lot recently...
I'm a big fan of the loud, condescending sigh and the arrogant chuckle
Hermeneutics
hermeneutics is an activity that interests biblical scholars, and the word is sometimes used in philosophy as well.
Words don't mean words. Symbolism, at the forefront of it.
Symbolism, is what little children do to play word games. Making fantasy games of the words is great for creative writing, but creative interpretation of something that is supposed to be important for your life is not acceptable.
The caller was wittering on around 1hr,20ish simply did not have the education to argue.
Man the Noah’s ark one is a fun ride. That has to be the easiest story to say is not literal in the Bible.
51:24 this caller is insufferable!!! He wants to steamroll you SOOOO BAD and is sooo butt hurt that you are refusing to let him by muting him. Can you imagine how annoying this fruit loop would be without a mute button?!
Justin you have an incredible ability to stay focused and calm while these fish are flopping about on your boat.
Is this the Food Network? BC I’m watching ‘Cooking with Justin’
I love the conspiracy Christians who don’t trust the establishment and disaster with the Catholic Church on everything, calling them liars and manipulators, yet still follow the same religion and don’t think twice lol.
4:06:30 Abraham could’ve been a crip from LA!!! I fell out my chair! Oh shit i needed that
What does he mean fish weren’t prevalent in the Old Testament? That dude flooded the entire fucking world, fish for days >
Justin, I don't understand how people can read what you put on the screen, hear the FACTS, not feelings, and still believe? I appreciate so much that you share your vast education with us. 🩷🌸🩷
ALL HAIL DOUGGIE!
Thanks friend and I suspect they see the issues in their arguments in real time but refuse to accept the truth. It takes time.
Omg the second dude is so annoying. "Oooohh" ooohhhh so you cant show me?...
cause my eyes are closed and i refuse to see.
He knows a burnt offering is a burned animal. Hes purposely sticking on the word bull to try to act like thay proves your wrong cause they coulda burnt a lamb.🙄
I like how that arrogant caller around the 1 he mark said “ I’ve prob read Leviticus more than you.” Lol. I guess he doesn’t normally watch this stream.
1:51:00 People fail to grasp that the writers of the New Testament were deeply familiar with the Old Testament. They deliberately aligned the New Testament with certain elements of the Old Testament, creating a sense of continuity that makes their claims seem more credible. Imagine if I were to invent a new religion and embed language or concepts borrowed from the Quran-people a thousand years from now might find it convincing simply because the texts align. But that alignment wouldn’t make my new religion any more true.
Why does the mute button trip these guys up so bad? If god wants his messengers heard can’t he just un mute it for them & mute Justin? Maybe God is on an older operating system..
…this, and provide them better internet connections to get the word out.
Imagine having the ability to go through life reading words and then change the context to what you want it to be. Nice Idea on fantasy land but it ain't gonna help you in the real world
No one serves the same "god" they all take the parts they like and make up the rest of his character to fit their already formed idea.
Why are American Christians so married to the King James Version? Surely it makes sense that the later translations have access to more data and thus would be more accurate?
King James Version is the Protestant version. The Puritan Pilgrims were Protestant. The Protestant "christians" take an oath of fealty and loyalty to the Anglican Protestant Church of England.
@voidagent it is not the only Protestant translation. I was an Anglican, from South Africa, and we never used the KJV.
I think it's just part of the "romanticism" of Christianity. It also makes them feel as if they're "apart".
@@MrHbgabs South Africa was a Dutch colony first with the Catholic Jew-Book "holy bible" installed before becoming a Protestant Imperial English Colony. All of this minutiae are irrelevant, doesn't change the fact the Jew-Book "holy bible" is superstitious Jew Junk, an irrational delusional fantasy from cover to cover.
5:40:48 It’s hard to see why this is so confusing for her. The writers of the New Testament were clearly familiar with the stories and language of the Old Testament. They knew how to craft symbolic connections between the two, aligning the new narrative with the old to create continuity and meaning. Now, if the New Testament authors had no knowledge of the Old Testament and yet still mirrored its symbolic language, that would indeed be remarkable. But that’s not what happened. They drew from the texts they already knew, so the symbolic gesturing isn’t surprising-it’s intentional.
Saying something with complete confidence and in an authoritative way makes the Bible true. 😉
I love how these crybabies come to argue with a scholar and then have the nerve to say "because you know you're getting cooked" when they bring up being muted, as if the host is just a dishonest troll trying to silence the truth and that's totally not what the caller is. That just shows the projection in these people. Then he says "you're just adding to the Bible," when literally every Christian does this to make the book fit their narrative. They project enough to fill every screen in the theater 😂
Theist "are you saying that burnt offerings are always the same?"
Host "YES, according to the Bible this is what a burnt offering is"
Theist "omg what you're dodging"
ffs 🤦♀️
You missed that the theist kept dropping the word "burnt". That was essentially the whole argument. Host was talking about a specific type of offering and the theist was trying to escape by referring to any kind of offering in general.
@SteveLaw-UK that 1 exchange where he accuses Justin of dodging he actually used burnt in his questioning. That entire call was wildly bone headed.
One thing I'm getting from watching these. Is that just how much some believe what the bible says, as opposed to what it actually says. I'm guessing that they must have been told incorrectly for so long, or the apologetics so long they just accept it? Thinking on this more, it isn't too strange, People do that outside of the bible as well. For instance, pretty much every picture ever shown of our sun is colorized with an orange/yellow for many reasons of illustration. But because of that so many people think that the sun is in fact orange/yellow, But it is in fact white.I really respect what you are doing here in these.
Yup. That's exactly the problem
Merry Christmas Justin!
ALL of thier claims of prophecy are nothing but mundane acts ...
With that much rain to cover all the mountains (breathing animals live above 10,000 feet) the ocean pH would change killing most ocean life. The Ark did not contain two of each fish species, and plankton.
Yeah, but MAGIC, remember?
Anne and her grandmother at the end got a real education in the difference between what the bible actually says and what they get spoonfed in church.
What about the blood on the Catholic church on their hands?
Enjoyed this live. The whole "we send ourselves to hell" bs is...well bs...those places that depict hell NO ONE voluntarily goes...they are thrown in...not walking in voluntarily
Hey, thanks for giving some of your time. You're very kind person, and I hope to learn a lot more from you. Hopefully, I'll meet you one day. Thanks again
Isa 1:11 To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Ps 106:28 They joined themselves also unto Baalpeor, and *ate the sacrifices of the dead* .
Ro 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he *might be Lord both of the dead* and living.
Isa 26:19 Thy dead [men] shall live,* [together with] my dead body* shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Mr 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, *Take, eat: this is my body.*
Eze 39:18 Ye shall *eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth* , of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
Ac 3:15 And *killed the Prince of life* , whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Ro 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be *married to another* , [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
WE ARE IN THE ZOMBIE APOCALUPSIS. THE ONLY WAY THEY STAY DEAD IF IF YOU DECAPITATE THEM WHILE THEY ARE TRYING TO EAT YOUR BRAIN!
I'm happy to celebrate jesus's birthday because it's a day off from work. I just dont believe any of it.
Justin your content is great
Thank you friend!!
There are no fulfilled prophecies. The Gospel writers made up stories to parallel them. Also, they paralleled verses in the OT, i.e., Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days. Jesus was in the tomb for three days etc
I can imagine that people who lived around Lake Kinneret, like the ones in the Gospels, would be thinking about fish more than the ones living in the Judean hills who composed the Hebrew Bible. Also, unless it was a happy coincidence, the fish image drew upon the abbreviation ιχθυς (fish), for Ιησους Χριστος Θεου Υιος Σοτερ, "Jesus Christ son of God, Savior."
On my day of rest, I listen to Black Sabbath, Dio and Ozzy.
4:51:00 I am a Ghanaian atheist. I used to be a 7th Day Adventist. And we used to justify our practice by also breaking down the meaning of “memenda” to “me-ne-me-da” which directly translate to would mean “I am Me Day”
But just as the brother responded with Dogma. “Dog -ma” can also be broken down to mean son of a b”tch 😂😂.
Words are not sentences simply Cus you break them down in syllables
I think the woman at the end, might continue studying herself out of gullibility
The burnt offering guy is too dumb for this conversation, especially if he doesn't believe words have different definitions. 1:17:20
Wait wait wait. So I'm supposed to "love" this god who, in his infinite wisdom, created a law code of TWO LAWS, one of those laws being that I'm supposed to love the god....? You cannot be serious my friend. You've been backed into a corner such that your belief system has now been reduced to a law code with the same sophistication of a "no gurlz allouwd" sign on the outside of a 1st grader's pillow fort. That's incredibly embarrassing for you sir.
Maybe it’s my imagination but didn’t the same grandma who agreed with her granddaughter(6 hour and 5 minute mark) that people should not be threatening Justin with Hell, threaten him with hell about five minutes or so, prior?
If it is all interpretation then wtf is the point if it being your Holy Book
If the virgin Mary was married that would mean her marriage wasn't consummated.
Meaning giving birth to Jesus makes her a baby momma.
The ladies at the end, Dueteronomy 4:2 don't add or diminish from the Torah law... Everything in the new testament contradicts Dueteronomy 4:2
How does that girl not realize how stupid of an argument she had for Noah
I am enjoying the live streams,
I have a question, What books and chapters are the prophecies of the messiah? When ever I go to look it up, I just get Christian apologists.
The popular ones are Isaiah 2, 11, Jeremiah 33, Ezekiel 36-37, Micah 4-5, but I would suggest that there isn't a really well defined idea of a singular messiah in the OT.
@ thank you
2:27:53 🤣 this guy is confused with the precession of the equinox...the wobble the earth does which takes roughly 26,000 years
I love all these people who think they are descendants of a
Sea Slug!!!!
God is good!!!
Your god isn’t good and if you believe the Bible then you believe that the earth is older than the sun. Completely moronic.
What do you mean? You think that evolution isn’t real?
@jm329
Are you a descendant of a SEA SLUG????
Pausing to comment at 5:43:32 // Do you think an analogy would help here? What comes to mind for me is how movie directors FREQUENTLY refer to older, classic movies. How many times as someone evoked the imagery of ‘The Shining’ in a modern movie? Does that make ‘The Shining’ prophetic in some way? Of course not. My point here is that writers and artists make allusions all the time. It is not unique and it does not “match perfectly” with anything. This is a writer that has rhetorical goals and is making allusions to things to fit those goals.
I was hoping he would point that out, too. Like even if it was a prophecy, the only reason it “fits perfectly” is because it was written afterward, with the motivation to match up and make people think a certain way. Sigh.
It's more like writing a sequel that wasn't planned when the first one was written. The New Testament is Highlander 2.
Maury or however he spells his name is one of the most frustrating people to try to deal with. He is so ignorant and struggles to follow even the most basic points. He also doesn’t grasp that his broad language creates issues while Justin is being specific for a reason.
Also, Justin asked why would they be sacrificing bulls. That’s not exclusive as only bulls, it is that bull sacrifice will be taking place
Michael Angelo violated the second commandment in Exodus chapter 20
Is that the one that says "thou shalt not steal Raphaels last piece of pizza " ?
Is Bash on UA-cam? Id love to check him out as well
The word MAS derived from the word masquerade
If I write down all numbers 1-100 and then claim that it perfectly fits as a list of even numbers is exactly what she is trying to do with scripture. 3:27:35
The verbal gymnastics that the woman at about three hours goes through is phenomenal. Every excuse is trotted out from different words in different languages mean different things. This is the bible we're talking about it is supposed to be the word of god and he can't make the meaning of his words clear! This is a stupid, ludicrous god!
-- Why don't you believe in god?
-- Goose bumps.
Show us one Prophecy in the Old Testament that took over 2000 years to fulfill and then we will grant you the possibility that the dead Jesus may rise again and return to accomplish the second half of all frivolous so-called prophecies
Every single time she is shown to be wrong she dismissed it and changed the subject?
You should remind people like her claiming the Hebrew and Greek could be mistranslated that you read both.
And often people do not seem to know your educational background which will affect what they accept you saying. 3:15:59
She made up almost everything she said.
@Imperial-Socialist Gotta hold on tightly to that indoctrination!
I guess? Idk, fortunately I wasn't indoctrinated.
@@thebipolarpsychonaut4984 I was, but it didn't hold. Grew up Catholic and scientific curiosity was encouraged. The sect of Catholicism that I grew up in lost most of a generation that way.
Hail Santa! 🤘
1:16:05 Wow. An insane level of dishonesty. Truly unbelievable the amount of pretzel logic you have to do to avoid honestly looking at your book to end up with "maybe he just made a law code that has two laws in it?". The god...of the universe...has a plan to send his son down and prescribe the rules for the near infinite complexity of human interaction...and his solution is these two vague laws that aren't even that useful. Weird hill to die on my brother.
I just don't even know what to say to a person that has gotten to this level of dishonesty and mental deficiency.
Arameans are not Caucasian, they are Semitic or from the Semitic tribes. Still, the caller’s claims about “black Israelites “ are incorrect, just pure insanity.
What is happening at 3:05:00? Wow
I know it's easy to think BHIs are silly, and they are, but honestly they're no more silly than anyone else who thinks they're the people from these mythologies
Jesus left Pazuzu alone so wo would have the exorcist movies to watch
Why did Jesus let Damien have free reign?
I enjoy most of these videos except when Justin has to explain how the English language works to these mooks.
2:33:45 the zodiac guy was interesting because it’s a little bit different I guess. But zodiac is utter nonsense - to believe that faint celestial bodies millions and millions of miles away have any effect on humans lives are ridiculous.
Trillions of miles. 1 light-year is 6 trillion miles. Most of the constellation stars are 1,000 light-years away.
@ lol - facts!
1:07:00 This guy was really stuck on bulls.
2:58:09 - oh dear. The grandmother got her ‘evidence’ from the Kent Hovind school of pseudoscience and wizardry.
Happy not Jesus's birthday !
230 million year to orbit the galaxy.
He was clearly wrong about that, but he meant to say "the precession of the equinox".
It's in relation to the Earth's wobble on it's axis and which stellar constellation is most prominent based on where we are in the wobble. This is where we get "ages" from. Each age equals one constellation that ended up being used as the zodiac started in ancient Middle East.
For a better, more detailed explanation of this and the link to Christianity there are two movies that I recommend:
"Zeitgeist" and
"Zeitgeist Addendum"
Both are free on YT now, I think, but are great to watch for the information contained. Has a great explanation of how our banking system works, why it is a bad design, why previous presidents tried to abolish it, and how it is still being used here anyways.
I just remembered what it is called "federal reserve banking". More debt than monies existing, unpayable debt, is baked in intentionally. ✌️
can you get someone else with a fun accent to call people names like malakas in fun languages? full respect its so cool to hear i miss your copilot lady. she was super smart and funny.
She interrupted the flow of the conversation a lot.
1:53:39 If the Earth stopped rotating everyone on Earth would have been blasted into space at a thousand miles per hour.
Can you jump on a live with inspiring philosophy or god logic. These guys come across super self righteous and would be good to hear them chat to some one they can’t twist scripture \ bluff with
They don't do debate lives but they are always welcome on mine
@ not sure about I.P but god logic is always on live challenging people as to why their view is wrong and Christianity is right (mostly muslims though).
No way they would come over to your channel, the way you break down prophecy ect they wouldn’t want any part of that especially with you knowing the original languages 😅.
I think Justin is an egotistical manchild, but I would love to see him destroy GodLogic's smug face
Justin is worlds better than anubody on "the line"
3:13:27 fact slap 👋🤦♀️