Epithet Erased's Production Hell ft.

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  • @punpun2271
    @punpun2271 4 роки тому +939

    I can see a lot of people commenting on the lack of animation, but to be fair, I personally think it fits.
    Given that it was based on a DnD style stream, it makes sense for the presentation, and I think it's charming in that aspect. Even the 'overhead token' shots fit a Roll20 vibe, with the tiles and character tokens. I'm not saying EE is revolutionary in animation, but given the budget and the feel it's going for, it holds up well and the art style itself is cute and interesting.

    • @Darkgun231
      @Darkgun231 4 роки тому +59

      Honestly, I too was at first disappointed when I saw the show the first time. I'd been expecting something more animated, if you get what I'm saying. But, I decided to keep watching, because Jello is not the only UA-camr out there who has done stop motion / slide show style animations to tell a story. Disappointment turned to surprise, however, as I continued to watch. And I quickly grew to adore the characters on screen. By the end of the first episode I was invested, and hungered for more.
      Yes, the plot is somewhat loose and a bit obviously based on a rehashing of a GURPS or DnD type game session, and without a doubt the lack of animation hurts it when it was simply branded as 'animated' (honestly, should have called it anything else if only to avoid the backlash. call it an 'Video Visual Novel' or 'Animated Webcomic' to get people's mind out of comparing it to something like Avatar the Last Airbender), but the voice acting, the humor, and the characters were so immersive, so amazing so FUN that I couldn't help but love the show.

    • @zilaalapsablue7228
      @zilaalapsablue7228 4 роки тому +8

      Ok I think I agree with both of you, those are some good points.

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 4 роки тому

      Isnt it amazing how we see here Creativity really threatened directly by Exestential Fears like Hunger (if Broke, you get hungry, if you get what i mean.)
      That's why it's, in the end, important to change the World and have a Basic Money given to Everyone on the Planet.
      So no one has to fear dying for Money-reasons.
      I understand people's counter-argument to this 'Everyone should get money regardless of Job and all that':
      One of the Big Arguments is that of 'Lacking Motivation' if anyone has enough money to survive.
      But honestly, i think Earth needs to make this Jump and people just honestly need to get over this.
      You shouldnt go to work for Paper Money, the concept is just broken in itself. Humans need to get beyond this and find another Motivation to work - yeah, even the dangerous jobs even.
      Sorry if that's too Sci-Fi, but i honestly believe even big Concepts like Money and Base-Money and all that need to change in the name of Evolution.

  • @SuperGreenSmartie
    @SuperGreenSmartie 4 роки тому +4029

    Am I the only one who actually liked EE’s animation style? I thought it fit the style of the show really well and made it stand out more.

    • @universenoodlesoup8462
      @universenoodlesoup8462 4 роки тому +300

      It’s a very fun style! :)

    • @captaincomic8678
      @captaincomic8678 4 роки тому +30

      @@universenoodlesoup8462 You keep using the word "fun," I do not think it means what you think it means...

    • @universenoodlesoup8462
      @universenoodlesoup8462 4 роки тому +335

      Captain Comic I mean it as something that’s entertaining and quirky! The colors of the characters and setting kind of pop, and are pleasing to look at.

    • @forsakenfish
      @forsakenfish 4 роки тому +133

      Captain Comic Bruh no the art is fun to look at!

    • @harlowitter3060
      @harlowitter3060 4 роки тому +176

      Yeah, I feel like it would lose its charm if it were fully animated.

  • @nerobiblios4086
    @nerobiblios4086 4 роки тому +2006

    I don't know what people were expecting of Epithet Erased, it's by definition an Indie Show. Made by a ragtag group of people with some help from an animation company, sure, but it was mainly handled by complete amateurs/people who weren't well versed in making an actual full length show.
    Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are not a good comparison if you do bring it up, since production of that took way longer and had more backing. They are both Indie shows too, but they're an outlier to the general majority of indie shows.

    • @yehuda8589
      @yehuda8589 4 роки тому +288

      Yeah, it's really dumb. I remember watching a video on Epithet Erased where the guy said "couldn't they just make the animation better?" as if animation isn't an incredibly long and painstaking process, even if you have big budget which Epithet Erased did not.

    • @jvg7498
      @jvg7498 4 роки тому +31

      If i'm being honest, I expected alot more when I heard Powerhouse was going to help out. got disappointed with the end result, buuut i watched it anyway and enjoyed it by the end.

    • @abbers0737
      @abbers0737 4 роки тому +189

      Yehuda Halpern I honestly felt that the lack of animation in some scenes actually made the show more humorous, especially when the characters are narrating themselves. I thought it made the show have a unique type of humor that I personally enjoy.

    • @kaevarohan241
      @kaevarohan241 4 роки тому +14

      Epithet earased is the best

    • @AL2009man
      @AL2009man 4 роки тому +7

      I have a good people those people has never watched Inferno Cop or Ninja Slayer The Animation.
      granted, the later was given an animation budget, but still keeps that same style.

  • @kp5602
    @kp5602 4 роки тому +6007

    The top comment on Epithet Erased (Episode 1) is:
    "Looks like a dnd campaign animated in google slides"

    • @muufle
      @muufle 4 роки тому +544

      He isn't wrong. Also the creator's political drama was rough.

    • @n00bsstuff36
      @n00bsstuff36 4 роки тому +353

      @@muufle From being attacked by tumblr, to embodying their spirit, lol.

    • @tamonk9054
      @tamonk9054 4 роки тому +75

      it's fuckin right tho

    • @muufle
      @muufle 4 роки тому +247

      @@n00bsstuff36 Yeah lol, that whole spiel from him made me unsub, like, i am a leftist aswell as him, but either way, he was being a dick, that's NOT how you get people to vote.

    • @thesecondmexicanempire5742
      @thesecondmexicanempire5742 4 роки тому +7

      Prostoration Well the show isn’t for me than, as a rightist

  • @soleilpeik
    @soleilpeik 4 роки тому +1083

    No one seems to realise that even for this 'stiff cardboard non-animation', hundreds of sprites still had to be drawn for different poses and expressions for each character. It takes a whole lot of effort just for this- how hard do you think animating the whole thing fully would be? Plus they werent working on some explosively big budget. You guys are shitting on a show with a good story, characters, and art(not animation, for yall haters), for not being fully animated.
    That aside,it may just be my own bias but i love this show. The memey animation style makes the comedic moments a lot funnier than they would be with proper animation. And they go full animation for big scenes too so what are you complaining about?

    • @diorbrand842
      @diorbrand842 4 роки тому +55

      In the priemere of Reflection (I forget the number of the ep lol) Jello said that the animated part at the end cost $14,000. That’s probably why the animation is like that.

    • @phobepotatoegirlpretty5774
      @phobepotatoegirlpretty5774 4 роки тому +41

      I really liked the animation style,it reminded me of a game that I played. The way the sprites moved really add on to the show’s comedy as well!

    • @anotherwea6692
      @anotherwea6692 4 роки тому +1

      I know, right?

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 4 роки тому +3

      Isnt it amazing how we see here Creativity really threatened directly by Exestential Fears like Hunger (if Broke, you get hungry, if you get what i mean.)
      That's why it's, in the end, important to change the World and have a Basic Money given to Everyone on the Planet.
      So no one has to fear dying for Money-reasons.
      I understand people's counter-argument to this 'Everyone should get money regardless of Job and all that':
      One of the Big Arguments is that of 'Lacking Motivation' if anyone has enough money to survive.
      But honestly, i think Earth needs to make this Jump and people just honestly need to get over this.
      You shouldnt go to work for Paper Money, the concept is just broken in itself. Humans need to get beyond this and find another Motivation to work - yeah, even the dangerous jobs even.
      Sorry if that's too Sci-Fi, but i honestly believe even big Concepts like Money and Base-Money and all that need to change in the name of Evolution.

    • @anotherwea6692
      @anotherwea6692 4 роки тому +15

      @@slevinchannel7589 Well... that's your oppinion... Like most things, there are ups and downs to that propossal, I recomend that you watch Kurgeastz's video about universal basic income.

  • @maxhasproblems4885
    @maxhasproblems4885 4 роки тому +2815

    "He's talking about you. The person in the audience who has a bunch of ocs gathering dust on the storage shelf that is their life"
    god, i feel personally attacked.

  • @Thatdumbgremlin
    @Thatdumbgremlin 4 роки тому +2182

    2021 EDIT: Who came back to this after the books were announced?
    I love that this video exists.
    You took the time and care to conduct an extensive and thorough interview with the person who knows the most about what happened behind the scenes, because he and his team were the ones who brought Epithet to life, and I love that the video went in a different direction than just a simple review. Yes, the process was not easy. Making something on this scale is never easy. But my hope is that when people watch this, they will see how much love, care, and sheer effort Jello put into making his little series.
    Even if the show never gets a second season, even if the seven episodes we have are the only ones we get, I am eternally grateful we got even a little bit of something filled with so much charm, passion and love.
    I am eternally grateful that Epithet Erased exists.

    • @drywallmaster656
      @drywallmaster656 4 роки тому +5

      Dont care

    • @Rosales3269
      @Rosales3269 4 роки тому +32

      Shadow C dude, no one asked for your opinion. STFU.

    • @TyphonRabbet
      @TyphonRabbet 4 роки тому +1

      Christian Rosales Apologies M’Lady

    • @Rosales3269
      @Rosales3269 4 роки тому +8

      My Flex tape Pillow *sarcasm* IT'S MAN! IT'S MAN!

    • @semidecent4395
      @semidecent4395 4 роки тому +1

      Shadow C Name 10 people who wanted to hear your opinion. Oh wait, you can’t

  • @TitularTypeWriter
    @TitularTypeWriter 4 роки тому +1022

    Yeah, not having everything planned out and asking a studio to animate on the fly would be a massive issue for any production.
    I DO have stuff like OCs on the shelf and an idea in my head but people to motivate me is where I'm lacking and most likey I ain't gonna find people I trust for that anytime soon.
    For now solo ground work is the best anyone hoping to independently create something can do and advance from there.

    • @WarDoctor42
      @WarDoctor42 4 роки тому +8

      @@ZeldaLord1 patreon maybe?

    • @muggz7752
      @muggz7752 4 роки тому +8

      SniperKnighter god same,it sucks

    • @maxhasproblems4885
      @maxhasproblems4885 4 роки тому +5

      same, man. it's honestly the worst

    • @makotoyuki345
      @makotoyuki345 4 роки тому +4

      SniperKnighter this is my problem too, still sucks...

    • @AriesZero
      @AriesZero 4 роки тому

      This is very relatable

  • @LizzieShiro
    @LizzieShiro 4 роки тому +1494

    You’re telling me the same studio behind the beautiful Castlevania show worked on Epithet Erased?
    I... I am shooketh.

    • @Soup_of_goop
      @Soup_of_goop 4 роки тому +87

      Well they did make the only actual good parts of the show animation wise

    • @No-qh3hf
      @No-qh3hf 4 роки тому +168

      Steel47 you mean all of those times that Giovanni knitted?

    • @thilsiktonix
      @thilsiktonix 4 роки тому +15

      @@No-qh3hf si

    • @rameball
      @rameball 4 роки тому +40

      From someone who literally did a college project analysing the show. yes.

    • @raoul4338
      @raoul4338 4 роки тому +9

      LizzieShiro I actually liked ee, but i found castlevania to be one of the worst shows I’ve watched. they are a lot different even then, thougj

  • @ye6942
    @ye6942 4 роки тому +920

    Hey that’s an anime but also a not

    • @mariakutsu5946
      @mariakutsu5946 4 роки тому +6

      Dearly deadlines. Yup it's an anime

    • @TemmiePlays
      @TemmiePlays 4 роки тому +18

      nah.
      Animes are animated, lol.
      EE is "animation according to young kids on UA-cam".

    • @ye6942
      @ye6942 4 роки тому +18

      Temmie Plays! Shut up boomer

    • @TemmiePlays
      @TemmiePlays 4 роки тому +11

      @@ye6942 That's the best you can come up with, A forced reddit meme, lol.
      I don't even need to reply, thanks

    • @koalbent
      @koalbent 4 роки тому +15

      Temmie Plays! Ok person who is still in the undertale fandom

  • @77DC77
    @77DC77 4 роки тому +240

    I love how the show has stupidity and action and combines them both in a great way I love it hope it keeps going ill support in anyway I can.

  • @HomeByMidnight
    @HomeByMidnight 4 роки тому +649

    1:25
    "Don't worry, I'm not in the United States... I'm somewhere else."
    I'm gonna need a clip of that
    Also, loved this video! The interview with Jello was excellent and told me a lot about a series I need to get into!

  • @sams_not_here
    @sams_not_here 4 роки тому +894

    Epithet Erased has:
    -A great storyline
    -fantastic world building
    -amazing characters
    -smart plot devices
    -memorable lines and scenes
    Yet everyone shitted on the animation..........................................ok-

    • @enclavesoldier5737
      @enclavesoldier5737 3 роки тому +22

      An movie without an artstyle is a book, the animation style/artstyle is just as important as the story

    • @PluslePlayzYT
      @PluslePlayzYT 3 роки тому +118

      Honestly I thought the animation style was really cute and charming

    • @miigi-p4939
      @miigi-p4939 3 роки тому +90

      I really loved the animation it feels like a rpg or visual novel
      Wich was the objective so i dont understand why people talk so smack about it

    • @Ashelybee
      @Ashelybee 3 роки тому +19

      It reminds me of. Super paper Mario the show is great and i want to see season 2

    • @dethstrider6
      @dethstrider6 3 роки тому +3

      @@PluslePlayzYT agreed

  • @phantasmag0rical_sleepyhea221
    @phantasmag0rical_sleepyhea221 4 роки тому +178

    13:21 I did not expect to be called out like that

    • @vinnisvidya
      @vinnisvidya 4 роки тому +14

      audibly shouted "FUCK YOU" at my monitor when I heard that

  • @Vashie
    @Vashie 4 роки тому +61

    One of my favorite shows to work on so far because of the writing and likeable characters. I am sad to see that this video doesn't talk about the struggles of the other crew, but i get that this focused on jello. The editors and artist pulled all nighters for weeks getting little to no sleep some days (along with jello since he was directing us). Still worth the hard work as jello did an amazing job with the struggles and time he had.

  • @WyseWalker
    @WyseWalker 4 роки тому +125

    All in all I really like E.E I especially liked how it did something different, such as using a D&D style of narration. True the animation was lacking but I believe the voice acting and art work makes up for that as they're both pretty expressive. Point being if there was a season two I wouldn't hesitate watching as even from episode one the animation style grew on me.

  • @theonegoldengryphon
    @theonegoldengryphon 4 роки тому +111

    I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority of people complaining about the animation of a free show on UA-cam have never animated once in their lives

    • @enclavesoldier5737
      @enclavesoldier5737 3 роки тому +2

      All because it’s free doesn’t give it a free excuse to animate badly

    • @LlywelynGX
      @LlywelynGX 3 роки тому +17

      @@enclavesoldier5737 Yeah it does animation is thousands of dollars

    • @ChupaLmfao
      @ChupaLmfao 3 роки тому +13

      @@enclavesoldier5737 dude u literally just proved the point of the comment

    • @angelerror4086
      @angelerror4086 3 роки тому +17

      @@enclavesoldier5737 it's not animated badly, the animated scences are incredible, and the main kind of "animation" is a stylistic and budget choice that I can very easily get behind

    • @roblue5470
      @roblue5470 2 роки тому +1

      @@enclavesoldier5737 it’s not animated badly??

  • @cheeselord8153
    @cheeselord8153 4 роки тому +506

    Why are all the people hating on the animation? It’s cute and has a lot of heart. It’s just unique and tells emotion incredibly well without immense work allowing it to have beautiful writing.

    • @megasora4
      @megasora4 4 роки тому +65

      While i love the style and dont want it to change, i can understand people wanting some more..... "movement" with the characters. its not something someone would expect from animated content and until the major animated scenes does nothing to really grab the attention of someone looking for small minor movements. (yes i realize that i just claimed the complainers have low attention spans, dont generalize yourself because i made a comment ^-^)

    • @cheeselord8153
      @cheeselord8153 4 роки тому +53

      Justin Moore but it also makes the climaxes way more dramatic (where they animate the whole scene)

    • @projecthopestudios3248
      @projecthopestudios3248 4 роки тому +5

      When she was speaking and she was supposed to have a scared or surprised look on her face it looked really fake and mediocre. Just a couple of dashed lines around the eyes would help and some exaggeration here and there as well but ehhhhh. I wouldn’t watch it and it’s not my thing. You can like it all you want but the thing even makes animatics look like fluid animation.

    • @pickletrickle4230
      @pickletrickle4230 4 роки тому +6

      Cause they're all spoiled with flashy scenes.

    • @wulfulk1000
      @wulfulk1000 4 роки тому +17

      @@pickletrickle4230 how are we spoiled
      There is barely animation

  • @joshtr-sd3mr
    @joshtr-sd3mr 4 роки тому +86

    "I'm specifically talking about you, the person in the audience who has a bunch of OC's gathering dust on the store shelf that is their life."
    Ouch, that hurt. Their D&D characters, but still, I need to get myself together and do something about it. Maybe write a book using the same unused characters I've made.

    • @justayeet5905
      @justayeet5905 4 роки тому +1

      SAMEEE I’ve literally got like, six 3/4s completed characters just chilling in my brain that would totally go away if I just wrote a story, but I don’t have the MOTIVATION.
      Maybe I’ll do it during quarantine summer cause there’s nothing to doooo..

  • @jinglebople
    @jinglebople 4 роки тому +142

    I remember reading comments on DaftPina's posts abt how he was making a video on Epithet Erased wanting him to shit on the series entirely, and I'm relieved to see they didn't get what they wanted

    • @ChupaLmfao
      @ChupaLmfao 3 роки тому +1

      What is there to shit on
      Something out of control?
      Makes sense, seems like something peeps would care about in hs

  • @Demongunner7
    @Demongunner7 4 роки тому +62

    Oh my goodness... I actually really loved what Epithet Erased is... I had NO IDEA it was this non-planned, I just took it all for an aesthetic style! Jello, love your work but if you plan on making a Season 2 (which I hope you are) please plan a year in advance!

  • @randomguyontheinternet7940
    @randomguyontheinternet7940 4 роки тому +192

    "The most interesting thing about this whole thing."

  • @leftonred11
    @leftonred11 4 роки тому +82

    "He's talking about you. The person in the audience who has a bunch of ocs gathering dust on the storage shelf that is their life"
    Never have I been so offended by something I completely agree with

  • @longfork4177
    @longfork4177 4 роки тому +196

    I think you should re-title the video to:
    Animation in general: Production Hell

    • @Nestss
      @Nestss 4 роки тому +8

      Long Fork, as someone who is working in animation production for fun. Yep. YEP YEP. Sometimes people just. Vanish from projects sometimes and you are like "shit what now!!!" And. Then you can't fine someone to fill in so you just. Do it yourself sometimes and then cry about it

    • @longfork4177
      @longfork4177 4 роки тому

      @@Nestss Cool! Can you list what you worked on? Just wondering

    • @Nestss
      @Nestss 4 роки тому +4

      @@longfork4177 ,plenty of private animation projects for classes. Also somehow took over colouring for many many people's senior thesis films rip

  • @TheNinja94a
    @TheNinja94a 4 роки тому +40

    While I enjoyed the series, I enjoyed this video more. Hearing a cuddly guy talk about the hell and back he went through to make things happen, all while having a smile on his face is a warm, good feeling. God speed to any creators, imaginers, dreamers who are trying to create, or work up the courage to create. Put shit out there, in the end, it'll be rewarding. I make beats from time to time, and it gives me something to do, even if I'll look at it five years later and say "this is shit."
    But until that five years hits, I'm having fun making this stuff.

    • @leek.3671
      @leek.3671 4 роки тому +1

      Sometimes you need to ignore the shit people say and just do the things you enjoy because you have fun making it - and more often than not the experience is 100% more rewarding 👍🏻

  • @AizakkuAnalysis
    @AizakkuAnalysis 4 роки тому +772

    I always wondered why the animation was non existent.

    • @OneDude7745
      @OneDude7745 4 роки тому +64

      Now we know why it was so disappointingly nonexistent.

    • @heinokunzelmann8967
      @heinokunzelmann8967 4 роки тому +452

      I don't even mind the animation. The writing is the show's strongest point anyway. Plus, it's a free youtube show that was released weekly. Proper animation would have taken a lot more time and money

    • @lauralaura4362
      @lauralaura4362 4 роки тому +20

      Heino Kunzelmann rwby was a free show and it had animation, not very good but it was animation

    • @heinokunzelmann8967
      @heinokunzelmann8967 4 роки тому +164

      @@lauralaura4362 it was also cg and from what I'm told that's considerably easier to animate than traditional 2D. Plus, with Epithet's emphasis on intricate character dwsigns I don't think 3D animation like RWBY's was ever going to happen

    • @smithwill9006
      @smithwill9006 4 роки тому +55

      @@lauralaura4362 3d animation is way easier compare to 2d animation

  • @dcscruz2970
    @dcscruz2970 4 роки тому +53

    Who needs animation when you get a good script

    • @Darkgun231
      @Darkgun231 4 роки тому +12

      Honestly, I too was at first disappointed when I saw the show the first time. I'd been expecting something more animated, if you get what I'm saying. But, I decided to keep watching, because Jello is not the only UA-camr out there who has done stop motion / slide show style animations to tell a story. Disappointment turned to surprise, however, as I continued to watch. And I quickly grew to adore the characters on screen. By the end of the first episode I was invested, and hungered for more.
      Yes, the plot is somewhat loose and a bit obviously based on a rehashing of a GURPS or DnD type game session, and without a doubt the lack of animation hurts it when it was simply branded as 'animated' (honestly, should have called it anything else if only to avoid the backlash. call it an 'Video Visual Novel' or 'Animated Webcomic' to get people's mind out of comparing it to something like Avatar the Last Airbender), but the voice acting, the humor, and the characters were so immersive, so amazing so FUN that I couldn't help but love the show.

    • @dcscruz2970
      @dcscruz2970 2 роки тому +2

      @@Darkgun231 that’s true. Although now the new season won’t be a season but a book. Which I wanted it to be voiced or have a manga/comic at least to better get immersed but that’s just me.

    • @braintrope4736
      @braintrope4736 2 роки тому +1

      @@dcscruz2970 It is gonna be voiced tho. There’s an audiobook being edited for it right now, with all the original cast with some new voices and new music

    • @dcscruz2970
      @dcscruz2970 2 роки тому

      @@braintrope4736 but I want the images. The weird images man

    • @braintrope4736
      @braintrope4736 2 роки тому

      @@dcscruz2970 There will be a few illustrations. Not a lot but it’s not nothing. I believe there’s a couple he’s already posted on his patreon

  • @ethanchaotic
    @ethanchaotic 4 роки тому +60

    Love this video, loved epithet erased, and I am so sorry that Brendan went through this stuff, but I hope he recovers soon!!

  • @samirayun
    @samirayun 4 роки тому +227

    I've never watched Epithet Erased, but I want to one day!

    • @hidinginyourcloset
      @hidinginyourcloset 4 роки тому +29

      Please do watch it!

    • @frytoes
      @frytoes 4 роки тому +51

      At first I didn’t want to get into it... cuz I thought it was weeaboo trash but then I finally locked myself in my room so my brothers don’t make fun of me, I started to watch and it was *good*

    • @roykennedy
      @roykennedy 4 роки тому +11

      Why wait? Just do it now with no choice in the matter!

    • @yamabro2482
      @yamabro2482 4 роки тому +56

      The whole series is free on UA-cam. I totally recommend it. The animation is sparse but it's super funny and Giovanni is very lovable.

    • @Clowns_in_your_trenchcoat
      @Clowns_in_your_trenchcoat 4 роки тому +4

      The characters are amazing my dude

  • @moonlover594
    @moonlover594 4 роки тому +42

    13:20
    Don't attack me sir!

  • @fluffy-hellhound
    @fluffy-hellhound 4 роки тому +187

    8:02 His hand went right behind the poster. What is this? Early 2017 DaftPina?

  • @TheMenaceSauce
    @TheMenaceSauce 4 роки тому +49

    The way he goes into those sponsors are sooooo smooth.

  • @Mr_Mimestamp
    @Mr_Mimestamp 4 роки тому +45

    Didn’t think you would cover this, but I’m so glad you were able to.

  • @TheFruitiestCake
    @TheFruitiestCake 4 роки тому +426

    You sound too alive.

    • @LoverOfStuff
      @LoverOfStuff 4 роки тому +20

      Ikr I refuse to believe that this is a true Daft video lol

    • @xxmodzhaxsxx7910
      @xxmodzhaxsxx7910 4 роки тому +9

      Maybe in the future daft will 100% speak like a normal person.

    • @jodazague8333
      @jodazague8333 4 роки тому +2

      @@xxmodzhaxsxx7910 I hope not

    • @kayleec.361
      @kayleec.361 4 роки тому

      He speaks (somewhat) normally now. :/

  • @evilducklings9279
    @evilducklings9279 4 роки тому +21

    Jello also recently voiced mummy in the english version of my hero academia: heroes rising.

    • @thegamingdoggo9519
      @thegamingdoggo9519 4 роки тому

      Nice

    • @Darkgun231
      @Darkgun231 4 роки тому +15

      Good for him! He's chipping away at his debt from one show, so he can afford the debt for the next season of the show.
      ...My God, he's a dang Animal Crossing protagonist!

  • @creaturefan216
    @creaturefan216 4 роки тому +245

    *oh god it's here the comments section is gonna get flooded with "haha animation bad"*

    • @KingHalbatorix
      @KingHalbatorix 4 роки тому +36

      I can see why. Reading through the comments before getting to the part of the video where it first shows the 'animation' I was expecting something sloppy, not a literal complete lack of actual animation. Some shows do that to take the piss (*cough* studio trigger), but is that how epithet literally always looks?

    • @TemmiePlays
      @TemmiePlays 4 роки тому +19

      @@KingHalbatorix seems to be 60% sliding pngs, and 30% animation.
      10% credits
      But don't let the little kids see you insulting the amazingly " animated " EE. they'll call you a boomer and ruin your day! :)

    • @julianmars8968
      @julianmars8968 4 роки тому +44

      Temmie Plays! That’s still animation. It’s not amazing but that still technically counts as animation

    • @nightvalleyart
      @nightvalleyart 4 роки тому +5

      I'm not a big fan of the animation since its very janky at some times, sometimes smooth looks better than un natural movement

    • @meat2023
      @meat2023 4 роки тому +61

      @@TemmiePlays This honestly comes off as you being salty for whatever reason. I have yet to see any fan describe the animation as amazing.

  • @gasjebasje99
    @gasjebasje99 4 роки тому +12

    What video title made me think: EE season 2 is coming the summer of 2027
    What the video was: This was a hard show to create and they're making it anyway because they're passionate people!
    Very relieved! Good video!

  • @JoshucaVA
    @JoshucaVA 4 роки тому +858

    Oh no.
    This whole story is so weird to me. How does a show get greenlit with such little progress made on it.
    It's like a weird cautionary tale.

    • @undercovercrazy8455
      @undercovercrazy8455 4 роки тому +241

      This happens all the time, like seriously all the time. An example would be Danny Phantom, Butch Heartman has said himself that he was just barely forming the idea and at lunch with an exec he shot the pitch and it was greenlit, without a single finished drawing or anything. It happens with sit coms and reality T.v a lot as well, and the schedule and management issues in epithet erased are nothing compared to many hollywood movies

    • @JoshucaVA
      @JoshucaVA 4 роки тому +50

      Given the example of Danny Phantom, a lot more are coming to mind.

    • @OneDude7745
      @OneDude7745 4 роки тому +12

      Agreed. I couldn't even get past the first minute of the first episode. I hated the animation.

    • @postaldudeirl
      @postaldudeirl 4 роки тому +2

      Nepotism, that's how.

    • @JoshucaVA
      @JoshucaVA 4 роки тому +28

      @@OneDude7745 What's wrong with the animation?

  • @ToontownAndCpenguin
    @ToontownAndCpenguin 4 роки тому +8

    I absolutely adored Epithet Erased, I first saw the show after episode 1 was uploaded to youtube but I few days before episode 2 was so I had to wait for them to be released & then I got impatient & signed up with VRV, it was supposed to be a Christmas present but my dad didn't understand, he told me it was free to use & didn't get what I tried explaining to him for the whole subscription thing & then was like screw it, I'm 28 years old & can do what I want so I went for it. The show is super fun, love the humor & everything about it. I do hope that it gets a second season but I read the tweets about production & I understand if it's a long wait, it will make the second season more exciting once it actually does start coming out. In the meantime, I can watch whatever else I want on VRV.

  • @thegamingdoggo9519
    @thegamingdoggo9519 4 роки тому +16

    I can't wait for season 2 I need more of my soup man and smol child

  • @StaggerNight
    @StaggerNight 4 роки тому +52

    13:21 why you bully me

  • @potahtwah9591
    @potahtwah9591 Рік тому +2

    Epithet was an amazing success writing and animation wise. It sucks how much it took out of Jello, meaning we more than likely wont get another animated episode ever again.

    • @WrittenCross6
      @WrittenCross6 Рік тому

      I agree with you here, but I have one thing to say to you.
      Never say never…

  • @lemontree9518
    @lemontree9518 4 роки тому +18

    The sheer amount of passive-aggressive comments about jello’s animation style is crazy.

  • @galfinsp7216
    @galfinsp7216 3 роки тому +4

    One reason why it has good animation is that the poses were good enough to portray everything that the characters did.

  • @AmoniPaleo
    @AmoniPaleo 4 роки тому +21

    I found hilarious that... this is a vid about a animated series and how it went down.... But people in the comments still talk about the Vote Vote Vote video XD

  • @bob97529
    @bob97529 4 роки тому +37

    He sounds to lively it's unsettling

  • @guywithnounderstandingofth7586
    @guywithnounderstandingofth7586 4 роки тому +150

    Is it just me or is pina talking way faster than usual?

    • @ducksgoquack5212
      @ducksgoquack5212 4 роки тому +5

      I'd say so

    • @maxhasproblems4885
      @maxhasproblems4885 4 роки тому +11

      i know, it's so unsettling

    • @NeverEverTM
      @NeverEverTM 4 роки тому +16

      He upgraded his drivers and downloaded more RAM, thats why he speaks faster

    • @KaliTakumi
      @KaliTakumi 4 роки тому +1

      I thought I left UA-cam on 1.5x speed

    • @AspenFrostt
      @AspenFrostt 4 роки тому

      I don't have to speed up the videos any more!

  • @universenoodlesoup8462
    @universenoodlesoup8462 4 роки тому +12

    Thank you for making this video- very interesting! I love hearing about production stories, it’s especially interesting now voice directing was the most fun part of this :0 you can really hear it in all the episodes!
    As much of a pain in all areas this series must’ve been to create, it’s funny, charming, and a work of art. I’m so glad Mr. Blaber decided to pull through with it, and I wish him and all the team a full recovery. Thank you for sharing this interview with is :)

  • @noizepusher7594
    @noizepusher7594 3 роки тому +6

    The Giovanni and Molly cookie episode sounds incredible and I want it to be real now.

  • @WhateverOsi
    @WhateverOsi 4 роки тому +6

    13:22 that hit me so hard my heart plummeted, u can't just call me out like that 😰

  • @sincerelytheo
    @sincerelytheo 2 роки тому +3

    The way people talk down on the art style of this show makes me so sad. I have a story that I more than anything want to turn into an animated series, and that’s my end goal for it once I graduate if it’s possible. But for now I am releasing it as a webcomic because that is the only thing within my means, with a budget of 0 since I don’t pay myself. Seeing people who have no idea how long animation takes and how much those animators deserve to be paid makes me so sad. I think Epithet did a phenomenal job with the budget and schedule it had, and I wish people would appreciate it for what it is.

  • @SeymourDisapproves
    @SeymourDisapproves 4 роки тому +5

    I personally like the art tbh. It reminds me of how I played with toys when I was a kid.

  • @avvarhil
    @avvarhil 4 роки тому +5

    I was originally put off a bit by the animation, but after watching it I can hardly imagine it being animated differently

  • @ManagerBlackwood
    @ManagerBlackwood Рік тому +2

    Even with that cardboard aspect, they still manages to find smart ways to not make the visual borings, which is impressive work honestly.
    Also everything else is amazing-

  • @Ghostly_scarf
    @Ghostly_scarf 3 роки тому +3

    As much as I want season 2 after listening to this, I understand how long it could take just to get organized

  • @pekopekoyama5927
    @pekopekoyama5927 4 роки тому +2

    I so so so hope the second season comes out, epithet erased helped me through a rough time, I was on the edge of my seat whenever a new episode came out. The characters and story and concepts dragged me in and I can’t wait for more.
    I’ll wait as long as I need for the next season...just like many other shows I love

  • @THERE_IS_NO_DATA
    @THERE_IS_NO_DATA 4 роки тому +4

    Expected a review: got a comprehensive break down of the difficulty of production on any kind of show even at small scales.

  • @christiankim6864
    @christiankim6864 4 роки тому +1

    I’m mad that this series isn’t blowing up and the creator isn’t getting huge funding to make this thing FUCKING HAPPEN

  • @Xohadarc
    @Xohadarc 4 роки тому +4

    Okay but Giovanni and Molly making cookies together sounds wonderful!
    We gotta go fund this immediately!

  • @cubin4441
    @cubin4441 4 роки тому +1

    13:21, this spoke to me because I have an entire UNIVERSE built over the course of a year that I would love to tel the story of, yet I suck at drawing and am bad at pitching ideas

  • @OneDude7745
    @OneDude7745 4 роки тому +53

    Not surprised. It looks so cool but animated so basically.

    • @Pred.
      @Pred. 4 роки тому +21

      It plays well for how the series works and is told, its honestly kinda a bonus once use to it.

    • @koromoro6682
      @koromoro6682 4 роки тому +15

      The animations are really simple, but used super effectively.

    • @Darkgun231
      @Darkgun231 4 роки тому +4

      If it'd been called anything other than simply 'an animated show,' then I think it'd have less critics of the style. Call it a 'Video Visual Novel,' or 'Mixed Media Webcomic,' or 'Slideshow Puppetshow.'
      Yes, it's hard to explain what genre it is before it's even made, but I truly think people wouldn't be so complain-y if the name was changed.

    • @cinnamoonfang6104
      @cinnamoonfang6104 4 роки тому +1

      "No amount of great animation will save a bad story." -John Lasseter

    • @saltynope4819
      @saltynope4819 4 роки тому

      Darkgun231 Storytime Puppetshow

  • @keithbennett5623
    @keithbennett5623 4 роки тому +5

    I honestly loved watching Epithet Erased, I couldn’t imagine it in any other style and I don’t want to. That may just be me though.

  • @Brodas735
    @Brodas735 4 роки тому +116

    Guys, could you at least try watching the show rather than judging it based off of a stupid video Jello made two years ago?

    • @justyouraveragemutantblood2185
      @justyouraveragemutantblood2185 4 роки тому +29

      Lightning D0!t yeah, the video isn’t even that bad. We have people like onision and jake Paul on this platform, I think a dude making a very bias video about voting is probably not the best but certainly not as bad as everyone acts like it is.

    • @celestinebuendia
      @celestinebuendia 4 роки тому +42

      Oh no this person has an actual political opinion and wanted to advocate for it! How inhumane! Oh, wait, that’s actually a really human thing to have. Why was anyone mad again?

    • @blakewilson6326
      @blakewilson6326 4 роки тому +20

      @@celestinebuendia This is how I see it. I'm very confused at all the backlash.

    • @TotalSmashTV
      @TotalSmashTV 4 роки тому +9

      @@celestinebuendia No, it's not just having a political opinion like everyone else. You're wrong and here is why. Not everyone else has an audience attempt to coherence them in to voting for who (they as a creator), want to win. That is why you see that video of all those Hollywood stars telling you to vote for Hillary got so much flak and negative attention. Besides the fact it is cringey, it is manipulative and can be considered 'taking advantage'. You also would feel the same way if your company/boss was doing the same thing. Their is a power dynamic there that makes it fucked up and/or just a shitty thing to do.

    • @TheNinja94a
      @TheNinja94a 4 роки тому +12

      TotalSmashTV That seems like a whole paragraph just to say "any famous person can't say 'there' political opinions because manipulation and stuff"

  • @elephantpowerproductions
    @elephantpowerproductions 4 роки тому +6

    13:22 AAAH! HE JUST TALKED TO ME! HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY ANIMATION PLANS!

  • @candarudriemor2260
    @candarudriemor2260 4 роки тому +3

    AAAAAH THIS WAS SO GOOD..... I was trying not to squeal the whole time. Bless you Jello and please take some time to recover because we're all vying for a season 2 someday ghGLKDSMKGH...

  • @Chickywave
    @Chickywave 4 роки тому +1

    13:20 Holy fuck that actually scared me, it broke the fourth wall in such a relatable way that i just didn't see it coming

  • @ChaosFanGal
    @ChaosFanGal 4 роки тому +5

    Always great to have "behind the scenes" for this show! Thanks for all of your hard work!
    (Do be careful of your audio sync though!)

  • @eyy_man1162
    @eyy_man1162 4 роки тому +17

    Ephitet Erased: Production Peril

  • @Zenythycat
    @Zenythycat 4 роки тому +20

    Ephitet Erased’s animation or lack there of bothered me at first but you get used to it!

    • @Darkgun231
      @Darkgun231 4 роки тому +4

      Honestly, I too was at first disappointed when I saw the show the first time. I'd been expecting something more animated, if you get what I'm saying. But, I decided to keep watching, because Jello is not the only UA-camr out there who has done stop motion / slide show style animations to tell a story. Disappointment turned to surprise, however, as I continued to watch. And I quickly grew to adore the characters on screen. By the end of the first episode I was invested, and hungered for more.
      Yes, the plot is somewhat loose and a bit obviously based on a rehashing of a GURPS or DnD type game session, and without a doubt the lack of animation hurts it when it was simply branded as 'animated' (honestly, should have called it anything else if only to avoid the backlash. call it an 'Video Visual Novel' or 'Animated Webcomic' to get people's mind out of comparing it to something like Avatar the Last Airbender), but the voice acting, the humor, and the characters were so immersive, so amazing so FUN that I couldn't help but love the show.

    • @noobler8394
      @noobler8394 4 роки тому +5

      The charecters really make you ignore it their personality are just great

  • @lopresti101
    @lopresti101 4 роки тому +1

    "Make the thing you want to make, cause no one else will make it."
    *INSPIRATIONAL CHILLS*.....

  • @Brutalyte616
    @Brutalyte616 3 роки тому +3

    The way I look at Epithet Erased is kind of like how I look at One Punch Man; it's great and I will sing its praises until the heat death of the universe, but criticizing certain aspects of its production is still totally valid. For instance, ONE cannot draw a good looking character to save his life, the manga takes an age to update despite the FANTASTIC visuals, and the anime can have issues with pacing and suffers from the long hiatuses caused by the manga.
    So as it stands in my mind, Epithet Erased in its present form is in that awkward middle stage where the quality is undeniable, but it still suffers from certain limitations that can't really be solved without OCEANS of disposable income and sound decisions.
    So yeah. Can't wait for a season 2, and here's hoping a major studio picks the series back up when all is said and done and animates it fully with that godly Unlimited Budget Works quality treatment it deserves. And that the world doesn't end in the meantime...

  • @jconte2343
    @jconte2343 4 роки тому +1

    There may have not been many moving parts to the animation, but they were surprisingly expressive with what was used. It kinda grew on me after a bit, and the voice acting was really good. Enjoyed the story too, though I cared less about the amulet plot and more about the characters, which is probably a good thing in the long run if season 2 is happening.

  • @Tonyd5736
    @Tonyd5736 4 роки тому +6

    When I first saw this show I thought it was some kind of d&d story or something mostly because of the grid floor and the plus and minus health and the stats.

  • @cmouse3415
    @cmouse3415 4 роки тому +1

    to be honest, i'd watched a couple of your videos months back, and i felt like there were a lot of pauses and unnecessary breaks and other stuff like that that just felt weird. but it's really cool watching one now and seeing how much you've refined your style since i watched your videos last. keep it up!

  • @TodosLocosOfficial
    @TodosLocosOfficial 4 роки тому +14

    Glad to see you moving away from your more negative (sometimes even insulting and offensive) opinionated videos and more into objective things. This was the first video of yours I actually enjoyed.

    • @TodosLocosOfficial
      @TodosLocosOfficial 4 роки тому +2

      Don't take this the wrong way. This is a compliment.

  • @joshuaclare4860
    @joshuaclare4860 4 роки тому +2

    I liked the show, and I think that if a second season was announced (which I’m hoping it is) then Jello will take what lessons he’s learned in working on this first season and apply it to the next

  • @figs-oliomedley
    @figs-oliomedley 4 роки тому +9

    I really want to see Molly and Giovanni making cookies oh my god ;

  • @TiredMarz
    @TiredMarz 4 роки тому +2

    5:50 When you explain is how I’m exactly going to explain the show for the rest of my life

  • @gegnabean
    @gegnabean 4 роки тому +7

    Love this show so much. I was really nervous clicking on this and finding out that perhaps vrv had mistreated jello, or that that no one would take it, but the truth of the matter is that the only story behind the shows creation is a bunch of people putting their heart and soul into a project they truly believed in. It genuinely makes me really happy

  • @CurrentNetPriceTanaka
    @CurrentNetPriceTanaka 4 роки тому +1

    im glad it ended up really good, i wasnt a huge fan of the Redwood Run Arc due to the villian being suverely under ultilized, but the comedy and writting was great and i love every episode of it

  • @jadehartfuss7
    @jadehartfuss7 3 роки тому +3

    I honestly think the animation has charm, at first it was off putting but after watching the show it was so hilarious and so well written. For anyone thinking about watching do it, it was amazing.

    • @loturzelrestaurant
      @loturzelrestaurant 2 роки тому

      This Video here convinced me Universal-income is in fact needed. Creativity is totally supressed and good People are prevented from Greatness, as shown here.
      But only much later did a video clean-up Myths so much that i beecame a Socialist: "Socialism for Absolute Beginners" by 'Second Thought'.

  • @alich1368
    @alich1368 3 роки тому +2

    The whole animation reminds me of warhammer40k tts if the emperor had a text to speech device

  • @milosmittens1391
    @milosmittens1391 4 роки тому +69

    Wait did everyone get late notifications, just wondering?

    • @metamochibear
      @metamochibear 4 роки тому +6

      There was a notification? lmao, i just saw it in my recommendations.

    • @PictureGame
      @PictureGame 4 роки тому +1

      I got a late notification too

    • @dont4get2bleed
      @dont4get2bleed 4 роки тому +3

      patreon maybe

    • @milosmittens1391
      @milosmittens1391 4 роки тому

      @@dont4get2bleed I'd be weird it was only 2 hours

  • @matorihoji
    @matorihoji 3 роки тому

    13:21 hurt me physically, mentally and spiritually. i was not prepaired for that pain.

  • @BenevolentRose
    @BenevolentRose 4 роки тому +18

    "I'm talking to YOU, specifically with the original characters collecting dust."
    Me, a writer who has over 900 characters and has written over 100 original stories including two scripts and three published books: *In Giovanni's voice* I'm trying my BEST! >A

    • @cokecolasg5080
      @cokecolasg5080 4 роки тому +1

      That's really cool, can you tell me the titles of your books?

    • @BenevolentRose
      @BenevolentRose 4 роки тому

      @@cokecolasg5080 Oh, sure!

  • @GJERocks
    @GJERocks 4 роки тому +3

    Kinda makes it hard to believe that after all of this work for production, there were a lot of people who didn't watch the show legitimately through UA-cam or VRV

  • @nikitaneverovskii2550
    @nikitaneverovskii2550 4 роки тому +6

    Where can I VOTE to greenlit this show? Because my VOTE matters. VOTE not for animation studio, but VOTE like such good shows aren't getting any traction, because they aren't. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE. Because I love JelloApocalypse.

  • @Bdakkon
    @Bdakkon 4 роки тому

    Honestly the shows greatest strengths are its character writing and dialog. I was meh on the art style and world till about episode 2-3 when I just completely fell in love with Giovanni and "Bear trap". They are the reason I got so invested and continued to watch. The rest was just bonus good stuff. Not saying the other stuff was bad but i could easily have dropped it but the writing kept me invested. I genuinely hope this series gets a season two and more attention.

  • @UnkleSanik
    @UnkleSanik 4 роки тому +15

    I'll be honest, E. E seemed really promising, homewever it was hyped with the trailer and intro to have some pretty good animation to end up having a pretty basic paper-cut animation (as in just a couple of character skits or parts being moved around)
    Don't get me wrong there's some pretty good paper-cut style animation series, like South Park or Space ghost coast to coast to give two easily recognizable examples.
    Feels like the animation was a huge turn off for many. The live chat of the first episode release on UA-cam was filled with comments about how the animation was dissapointing and looked like a slide show after it was first seen with the viewers quickly going down.

    • @Darkgun231
      @Darkgun231 4 роки тому +8

      Honestly, I too was at first disappointed when I saw the show the first time. I'd been expecting something more animated, if you get what I'm saying. But, I decided to keep watching, because Jello is not the only UA-camr out there who has done stop motion / slide show style animations to tell a story. Disappointment turned to surprise, however, as I continued to watch. And I quickly grew to adore the characters on screen. By the end of the first episode I was invested, and hungered for more.
      Yes, the plot is somewhat loose and a bit obviously based on a rehashing of a GURPS or DnD type game session, and without a doubt the lack of animation hurts it when it was simply branded as 'animated' (honestly, should have called it anything else if only to avoid the backlash. call it an 'Video Visual Novel' or 'Animated Webcomic' to get people's mind out of comparing it to something like Avatar the Last Airbender), but the voice acting, the humor, and the characters were so immersive, so amazing so FUN that I couldn't help but love the show.

    • @cinnamoonfang6104
      @cinnamoonfang6104 4 роки тому +2

      "No amount of great animation will save a bad story." -John Lasseter

  • @cheesybunny1319
    @cheesybunny1319 4 роки тому +1

    Personally I prefer how they did it. It's really cool. And it motivated me to improve my drawing and polish my occ

  • @yeethittter1285
    @yeethittter1285 4 роки тому +4

    8:02 I like the part where Jello phases out of reality

  • @ssscrm9828
    @ssscrm9828 4 роки тому

    that video was really important for me, especially when he said "yes you with a buch of ocs gathering dust". i have ocs and a idea but im not good at making stories and need help bringing it to life with VERY limited equipment.

  • @fanboyistransboy5089
    @fanboyistransboy5089 4 роки тому +3

    God I hope we get season 2 cause I would love to see that cookie episode

  • @net_spider
    @net_spider 4 роки тому +1

    Despite all of the problems though, it turned out fantastic. I wouldn't mind if this was the only "season," but would love more.

  • @fennwenn3317
    @fennwenn3317 10 місяців тому +2

    Honestly? People hating EE's animation style feels kind of like back when people were angry at Wind Waker for it's style. Does that make sense? It's a genuinely good artistic choice for what it's trying to do story-wise. But because it's leaning on comedy factor and well-executed simplicity, people who expect something intricate and grandly-rendered say "this sucks!" and ignore the fact that it's a really good story . . . until enough people eventually go like "oh. this is good actually." and then it gets a chance. I hope.
    I think my only critique for the art style is that the square portraits from the over-the-top D&D board perspective might look less plain if they were rendered as round tokens with white borders. That would mean less empty colored space around the focal point (the faces.) You can still squash and stretch the rounds tokens to hilarious effect like that too when needed.

  • @TooMuchSascha
    @TooMuchSascha 3 роки тому +1

    Always nice to see people be mature about mistakes they make.
    "Yeah this was a bad idea, I could have done this better" instead of trying to force a good public opinion about it.

  • @pascalcwilson
    @pascalcwilson 4 роки тому +4

    I love Epithet Erased and it needs more love!

  • @RyeBreadFF
    @RyeBreadFF 4 роки тому +2

    Honestly, Brendas Blaber is deadass one of my favorite writers. I don’t know what it is, I just love what he’s done with Epithet Erased

  • @LoreReloaded
    @LoreReloaded 4 роки тому +38

    It’s hard for me to like anything done by Jello given my first introduction to him was when he was being extremely manipulative and subpar with pushing his politics.

    • @takikat
      @takikat 4 роки тому +8

      can you not

    • @LoreReloaded
      @LoreReloaded 4 роки тому +8

      pingu alas no... can you not?

    • @takikat
      @takikat 4 роки тому +14

      @@LoreReloaded the dude literally made one political video and you decided to have a fucking aneurysm over it. grow up lmao

    • @LoreReloaded
      @LoreReloaded 4 роки тому +20

      pingu your response shows why haters exist. At no point an I freaking out, I gave a legitimate criticism of which at least 3 or more people agree and you are going out of your way to white knight. Do keep it up though :)

    • @takikat
      @takikat 4 роки тому +6

      @@LoreReloaded clearly you cared enough to hop upon the jello man bad bandwagon. i'm not sure where you made a legitimate argument in your comment-you just pointed out that he made a video disagreeing with your views-but please feel free to leave another passive aggressive response

  • @alexlikestodraw458
    @alexlikestodraw458 4 роки тому +1

    What Jello said at the end really inspired me. Thank you Pina.