TOTAL teardown of a lithium phone battery.
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- You can now buy me cake and things to take apart at:- / bigclive
So this started off as just trying to see how the circuitry was mounted in a lithium cell. I should really have discharged it first as it got a bit freaky at times.
But this is a total teardown. Not just cracking out the circuit board, but the whole case and then the guts of the cell too.
" This was a terrible idea " he said, and kept prying it open.
"That's getting a wee hot..."
*Keeps holding the cell
"Yeah that's definitely getting hot."
*Continues to hold cell anyways
ThatOneEngie I have apart cells for lithium before and have never understood the scare factor it seems like if you go fast and separate the components before they react to much you will be fine.
This is pretty much why UA-cam exists.
ThatOneEngie there are those willing to take a hit (or burn) for science
Don't forget the "actually I wanted flames" XD
Big Clive says "This wasn't a good idea." and there's still 17 minutes of video left. This should be good.
Jason Zakrajsek "Oh...well there aren't any flames, that's good... actually I wanted flames"
I keep thinking that one day these videos will just stop, and no-one will have any idea what happened until a few days later when we read of "Manxman found welded to desk in unexplained equipment meltdown"
i could watch this man tear down a cardboard box and still enjoy it.
I second that lol
+RobertJosephGushue Please do that +bigclivedotcom
+RobertJosephGushue hear hear!
you leave the cardboard box out of this !!
+RobertJosephGushue I could definitely see clive break down a cardboard box, with equal delight in his tone.
"This could go horribly wrong very shortly" - Famous last words!
When they are last words they don't end up on youtube as often
that and, Here, Hold my beer.
He's the Steve Irwin of electricity.
For sight to record terrible ideas A+ 😆
very shorty?
*puts in pan*
"Now while that's melting down and doing strange things... Let's look at this"
Your sense of urgency on the situation is very good man.😂
Well, that's actually because he knows the worst that can happen is a small lithium fire.
It's not going to explode once it's open.
Clives two modes: 1) Expert, detailed dissection of electronics 2) smelly shiny rainbow tape
Dr Jake's Very British Reviews Norwich city are top of the league
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Hahaha! :D
4:07: "Yea, this wasn't a good idea..." - Keeps snipping.
4:32 "Yea, this was a terrible idea.." - Keeps snipping.
I never follow directions, so I kinda saw a few seconds of "cake fart", expected a South Park clip or something... from now on I will trust your judgement. :/
Why did this man think that snipping into a lithium battery is a good idea?
"Oh, its getting hot"
Not a big surprise after cutting into a lithium battery.
Then 12:28: "Doing this indoors at my bench was probably an absolutely terrible idea™" - picks up side cutters and continues to try peel the can apart...
I can really relate to this sense of adventure... :D
Watching this is almost like a horror film waiting for the jump scare but it still gets you.
So against my better judgement i googled "Cake Farts". Thanks Clive, won't be having chocolate cake any time soon. :)
As long as you don't fart on it, it should be fine.
I love how calm you stay even when you know there might be fire in your hand at any moment. I guess it comes from decades of working very closely with dangerous voltages and currents (the "don't panic it'll make it worse" line of thinking).
A nice demonstration that exposes how these things are made on such large scales. Basically you've got a big sandwich which can be produced by a roll process, and then folded up to get it into the cell.
In order:
Impermeable separator
Aluminium current collector -----> to terminal
Anode (graphite)*
Ion-conducting separator*
Cathode (lithium cobalt oxide)*
Copper current collector -------> to terminal
Impermeable separator
The space between the cathode and the anode marked with "*" is bathed in an ion-conducting electrolyte.
The way this is normally made is that you
make a big roll of aluminium with the anode attached to it,
and a big roll of copper with the cathode clobbered on it,
and a big roll of the separator,
roll process them into a big sandwich,
fold it up into a container
and inject the electrolyte and seal it.
Telling people not to do something results in them immediately doing that thing you said not to. Because you said not to.
Yes indeed.
bigclivedotcom Thanks for that. XD
By the way, what's the biggest failure/light show you've had on your channel?
Not sure. Lots of stuff goes bang. I think the banzai game with the 12V tungsten lamp in a 240V converter was one of the most destructive. For loud bangs and genuine screams from my coworkers the recent snow machine video wins.
bigclivedotcom I saw that one. What went wrong?
bigclivedotcom A short?
just put on your safety squints and you'll be fine
+wayne murphy #AVE4LIFE
+Doggy McDogeface love this and the AvE videos :)
Make sure you got your momma on speeddial!
+Steven Simard what about the nut lathe
"Oh, it's getting hot.
Oh, It's hot. It's getting hotter.
Yeah, that's going to melt down. Ok."
I love how calm he is, lol
I love how when it made a fizzing noise, you dropped it and then almost immediately *picked it back up again.*
This whole video was a rather bad idea. Fascinating, but a bad idea.
+MGlBlaze All the best videos are usually a bad idea. Even more so when it all goes predictably wrong.
+MGlBlaze As long as you wear a high visibility jacket you'll be fine.
so, wanna try to tear a nuclear power plant down completely?
I can't believe when it started getting hot from a short he kept holding it!
+MGlBlaze, it is a partially discharged 3.8 volt lithium batter and not an unexploded bomb! bigclivedotcom demonstrated that he knew of the inherent dangers and took suitable precautions.
You are like many others - completely irrational when it comes to safety.
"Cake farts, hmm, I haven't heard about that before!" And I've heard about lots of stuff.
At this point I feel that maybe I should stop googling everything I hear about. Jars, cups, horses, tubs...now cake farts. What next...?
"Jars, cups, horses, tubs..." :D
Two kids one sandbox?
+Fate Wulluf
Oh dude, I've actually seen that sandbox video a long time ago, at least over 10 years, probably even more! I never knew it was called that or that it was a legend.
That was brutal, so brutal I never even told anyone about it and back then I was all about "goatseing people".
Fate Wulluf what is that about. I need to know
eel soup
Lithium metal tarnishes in the air rapidly, that's why the electrodes when broken down looked "rainbow-y"
I don't think that is lithium. Lithium-ion batteries contain Lithium cobalt oxide.
The energizer ultimate lithium batteries and coin cell lithium batteries contain lithium and they aren't rechargeable.
Lithium metal only exists in cells as salts, there is no "pure" lithium metal at all to tarnish.
@@Brusselpicker LMAO so I guess all the videos not just of Clive but others tearing down simple Lithium batteries to recover the lithium metal inside are a "conspiracy" right? Try again when you aren't talking complete bollocks
@@Clutch28 please refer me to the videos where Clive is trying to extract pure lithium metal, I can't see any.
@@Brusselpicker LMAO...derp...you are watching a teardown of a lithium cell, you commented on it but you don't see it. You're either stupid or trying to troll. Eitherway it makes you look like a moron
"Don't look it up" he says to the google generation.
Don't use Google, use DuckDuckGo. Join the Duck Side and prevent being spied on! Well, that's what they call it (the Duck Side).
@@andymadden8183:
Thanks. Actually, I do use DuckDuckGo.
@@andymadden8183 .
just using the duckduckgo browser wont make google stop "spying" on you.
google has: google chrome, youtube, gmail, google+ etc.
better idea is to not search for anything you don't mind being made public
@@kirinplays3822 DDG isn't a browser, it's a search engine.
Personally, I've ditched most google things and don't look back. Firefox instead of chrome, self-hosted email server instead of gmail, google+ is long dead (but I don't use anything instead of it anyways). Oh yeah, LineageOS instead of google-flavoured Android.
The only 2 google things I still use are youtube and google calendar. I use youtube because no other platform has half as many interesting videos, and I use google calendar because that's what my employer uses.
The electrolytes usually contain halogens. I think they also use things like ethylene glycol, which has a sweet smell. Best to handle with gloves in a well ventilated place.
This is like the fourth time a search for knowledge has brought me to your videos, subscribed
If that was a Nokia battery, his snips would catch fire.
His tools where broken if it was a nokia cell xD
It is a Nokia battery: the BL-5C, originally created and used by Nokia in the early 2000's for their phones. I have 3 Nokia 6100's which all use this battery. The one Clive uses isn't made by Nokia but it's exactly the same! :)
You're ruining the joke stop it
Chill mate, didn't realise the fun police were about, better start running now
*****
But not the brick's battery.
"Yeah, this is a terrible idea....snip, snip...." Excellent!
I guess he was trying to find and cut away the short circuit to stop the runaway. He seems to be unusually calm under pressure. Unfortunately, he didn't find the short until much later (details in the video).
Quite possibly one of the best teardown videos ever! Thank you for putting yourself in the danger zone for us, Clive. :D
you scared the hell out me trying open that battery without wearing gloves.
"Yeah this was a terrible idea..." *continues tearing it apart*
Clive, thanks for all your time and expertise in doing these information vids .
The tender hands of young Clive. Excellent. Never grow up!
17:03 "very aromatic" I absolutely love the smell of lithium
Dropping cake farts was a bold move and I respect that
This battery is nicely designed. Nowadays, LiPo batteries are not sealed in metal cans and can be easily punctured, even by a screwdriver.
Dear god man! You had me yelling at the video: "Stop that", "Don't touch...", "Put it down", "NO!" But I still watched the whole thing.
lmfao I just had to google cake farts, yeah your right don't do that.....
That was a perfectly good chocolate cake too. Now it's ruined.
hahahahaa
I need to start listening to what I'm told...
use urban dictionary, describes it perfectly well without showing it...
well whats the fun in that lol
That's a fake Nokia battery. How do i know? It lacks the two tiny screws that hold the electronics board and bezel affixed to the battery, and the welding that's done with a cap. Source: all of my original Nokia phone batteries had it.
You should take apart more Nokia items, there's a reason those phones were loved and appreciated in their time.
Has the warranty been voided?
nah
Warranty.. lol whats that? Warranties are a thing of the past these days.
nop
It's a Nokia battery, Nokia equipment does not need warranty :p.
@@Dutch3DMaster r/whooosh
One electrode is a copper foil and it's coated with cobalt oxide. The other is carbon. Cobalt and Oxygen are atoms that tend to acquire a negative charge, lithium tends to be positive. In the discharged state, all the lithium is inside the cobalt oxide crystals and it's a very stable compound because opposite charges attract. When you charge this battery, you pump some of the lithium into the electrolyte and then across to the carbon electrode. There should never at any point be pure, elemental lithium anywhere. However, the lithium isn't really happy in the carbon and wants to get home, this process of "coming home" is what gives the energy.
Also, the more you charge this cell, the more unstable the cobalt-oxide becomes as it hasn't got as many positively charged lithium atoms serving as "glue". Manufacturers stop at 4.2v for safety and longevity reasons , when there's still a fair bit of lithium left over in the cathode.
If you over discharge the cell and get down into dry battery voltage ranges (less than 2 volts) it starts acting as a good old fashioned zinc carbon battery and the carbon current collector foil starts getting eaten away and deposited on the cobalt layer. Possibly this happened here ,since both foils are black. Then again cobalt is blue isn't it , and i can see some blue?
"oh this is getting really hot"
...
lets continue :D
I took a shot every time you said "this could go wrong very quickly" and now I cannot see properly :P
Love the accent! If you made a video about how to tear down a cardboard box I'd watch just to hear you talk.
well that put me off cake
+jusb1066 LOL i bet it has :-D
+jusb1066 i will never look at cake the same way again u-u
o my gad I looked it up!!!!! O.O
I had to look it up too @ 15:30. Made me think of eating cake until i watched the video..............now.... not so much
"Yeah, this wasn't a good idea..." and keeps doing it. I've seen newer videos and I still count all the fingers... hilarious. Heat, vapors... just sitting there...
Don't ever ever tell someone to cake fart google... Its almost as bad as Two Girls one Cup.
Or one man one jar.
bigclivedotcom that was just silly. I wonder what he told casualty... slipped in the shower while eating pickled onions and got himself in to a bit of a pickle...
He's Russian. He was too scared to go to hospital so he never got treatment but survived.
"Mr Hands". All very odd.
Nope, not going there.
The Lithium is black because it's mixed with a solvent to make it sticky, they then stick it to aluminium foil. The separator is polythene.
I love the way you said "this was not a good idea." and then just carry on tearing it apart!
Ok... Who looked up cake farts, I know I did
+WM2869 didnt need to already seen them all
People who didn't grow up online missed out on so much great stuff early on...
For SCIENCE!
I love how you do these things so we don't have to
This has now become one of my favorite channels, you sir are a master of breaking things *tips hat*
Battery chemistry is basically jamming as much hatred and spite for existence into the smallest space as possible, so it's no surprise those things just go ballistic at the first sign of disturbance, but stil extremelly entertaining to watch
I would've been impressed if you've put all that back together :D
+Oro Neyishi I did have a go at putting a short section back together and charging it, but it wasn't playing ball.
+bigclivedotcom You know, you have a certain dedication to pick up a hot fizzing battery
+Nene that would make a hell of an epitaph
bigclive: had a certain dedication to things that go kaboom.
Well this is a bit of a dilemma now, I really don't want to look up cake farts, because it is clearly not going to be good, but you know full well when you tell someone not to look something up on the internet they are going to do it
Do it. At the very least it sounds hilarious. And then the young lady clearly runs out of fart prematurely at the end.
+bigclivedotcom that was nasty
+arcadeuk your not the only one that had to look it up....
+arcadeuk Mate its amazing masterabation material.
Well that was ...... odd. There is always a new fetish on the internet that you have never heard of before, this has to be one of the more exclusive ones surely?
The more you kept prying it open my brain was like “PUT IT IN THE DISH CLIVE!!!!!”
Old vid, i know... A few years ago, I was, idk, 13 years old maybe? 18650s were just starting to appear on the market as a common power source... i wanted one of those for a project, but i didn't have any... so... I had this brilliant idea of taking a phone battery (which i had planty of), ripping the shield off without making it go boom and rolling the insides to make it fit a small pvc tube. So I started the project, found a battery, took the protection off, grabbed my snippers and begin carefully cutting the shield off, as a 13 yo does it... it smelled horrible, and it was getting hot, but i was like "I need my cylindrical battery...” about 20 mins into the project, i managed to get the cell out. Took a breath and rolled it into a cylinder, and put it inside my pvc tube. So far nothing has blown up. Finally my cylindrical battery was built.... I sit down, and thought for a while, i grabbed my invention and threw it out the window after my brain told me “This is not only stupid, is incredibly dangerous, I can't believe you actually made it that far”.
Today, I don't even trust properly built lithium cells... i still don't understand why i did that and how it did not explode.
bigclive: being a badass by doing toxic experiments indoors
+Roshkin i was not worried as flame containment dish was there all the time.
yeah cause a dish can contain acid fumes. right?
You do this so we don't have to! Nice one! ;)
The fact that you know about cakefarts made me laugh more than it should.
Initially, I just kept watching because I was guessing he was going to snip himself with his diagnonal cutters... haha
It would have been interesting to see him touch the unrolled strips with his multimeter to see if a V was present anywhere along the strips & how it would change if he changed his probe positions... and then also to see if he could charge it back up while it was unrolled--then probe the strips at various points with his meter to see if various voltages could be measured at various points along the strips!
Thanks for sharing BigC--you saved me the time to do my own teardown!
Are gloves so expensive in the UK that are worth risking your skin over? Damn, Brexit did scary stuff.
Just exposing the lithium to the moisture in the atmosphere will start it oxidizing. Worked sodium at one point and of course played with it. Not much difference between the two. Drop some lithium or sodium (bb sized) in a pan of water and watch it as it bounces on the water on fire. Just found your channel and happy i did thanks for the videos.
The disembodied hands effect of the black sleeves on black table was actually pretty awesome!
I didn't expect cake fart quotes on a disassembly video like this one. Pleasantly surprised.
I just wondering if you burnt holes in the carpet, like I did as a child :p
Not just the carpet. The furnishings suffered too.
Nah, very bad for you. We made rocket fuel on the stove and had some rather nasty fires that at least didn't make any holes. 👍👍
that battery was made for Nokia, get one from a Samsung, one that is not replaceable
Very nice! I enjoyed this video quite a bit. It makes sense that it's similar to the capacitors we tore apart during electronics class in high school. I got right into this. I was holding my breath, and tense when you were talking about it getting hot. Equal parts happy, and disappointed it didn't explode lol.
I should have listened when he said " Don't look up Cake Farts on the internet.
well I did Google cake farts. interesting...
Well. Sonce I'm using DuckDuckGo the first result "was know your meme" which is sadfe :)
+bluemoonracer123 yeah and i had to google it as well and now i have a scared innocent mind pmsl
Lucky you didnt trigger a thermal runaway XD
I'm peeing my pants.... started shouting "wear gloves and stuff for your eyes" :D and you're talking with your gentle voice and explaining all the things going on.
Oh lord, cake farts... That brings back very vivid memories of my school days where kids were just getting used to pranking people on the computers in ICT before proxy servers were introduced.
I'm pretty sure the material you unraveled was the lithium look up "how to extract lithium from a battery" on UA-cam
+ade edmunds The actual lithium is in non-rechargeable cells. Rechargeable cells contain no lithium, just lithium ions.
+bigclivedotcom got Ya lol that's me told.ps I had to look up cake farts but whatever you do don't look up "acorn barnicals"
+bigclivedotcom What you unraveled is presumably copper, graphite, and the seperator.
I was scared the entire time you were doing this ... great Horror Video... LOL
"righty-o" is such a pleasant term i love this channel
I have a couple of radios that use the bl-5c variant of these, & I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the capacity & durability. They hold a decent amount of charge for long periods of time, and in my experience, continue to be useful after being cycled several hundred times. (should keep better records) Thanks for the proper take-to-bits video, it was quite informative.
gets on Google
types in cake farts, 'because couldn't resist and don't tell me not to
sees an delicious cake
woman walks into picture
climbs on cake
horrible things happen
left behind with no soul and scarred for life
0/10 I'll never be a cool guy who neglect warnings again
+Andrew van Leeuwen And the cake was rendered inedible.
+bigclivedotcom mmm delicious... Thanks for that :)
+bigclivedotcom lel
+bigclivedotcom Depends to whom.
people really don't understand how much power these cells are capable of. I am thinking about using one to start a car, just to show how much power is in such a small package.
Do it because you can't drive a car for an hour with that battery else why would they be so big in the cars
+HeavenHammer the car doesn't use the battery once it is started. it just recharges until you shut it off. lipos have other problems too.
+HeavenHammer its called an alternater, the battery is large to crank the car using very old and inefficient technology, once the car is started it no longer requires a battery to run, however a battery is needed to prevent voltage spikes that could damage a modern car's computer(s)
To the OP, they currently make small lithium jump packs.
+Wyvern I am aware of that. most use a single 2000mah 11.1v cell. pretty much all car electronics are designed to operate from 8volts or lower all the way up to 30 volts. the whole to prevent voltage spikes thing is total bs. I've bought cars with no battery, jumped them and hot swapped the battery then driven for several hours home with no battery in the car before.
+lilsammywasapunkrock I'm a mechanic, it's not guaranteed that running without a battery will instantly kill your computer and alternator, but it will eventually happen, even a sick battery can cause failure over time.
This is getting hot
This is a bad idea
This is a terrible idea
Yeah it's pretty hot
No flames which is quite good ish
STILL CARRIES ON
Thank you so much for showing me this. I foolishly thought it is an ordinary li-poly battery inside a metal housing. Turns out it's not! You can't salvage it!
The contents are a standard lithium ion cell and it can be reused with the case intact.
I hate how this guy doesn't wear gloves or something while messing with electrical components, sharp tools, and corrosive battery acid.
tuber He is a professional!!
I would imagine that your work mates never have a boring day around you. Thanks for sharing.
+bain5872 It's a sad fact that many of my work mates have holes burned in their clothing where Clive-stunts went off with more force than expected.
"cake fart" searches on Google just went up by 200%
Bro what a throwback I forgot cake farts was a thing 😆 🤣
Cake farts! I'm dead! I thought next to no one knew of that reference!!!! Kudos to you, sir, for brightening my day by bringing back good memories of high school shenanigans!
"it's getting hot" hahahah I feel ya xD
my 3rd time opening a Li-Polymer battery got so hot I put it in a container full of liquid nitrogen test tubes
+bigclivedotcom or you can add 1/4 of the height of the battery of alcohol to help dissipate the heat.. since any excessive heat will just evaporate the alcohol
i'm not sure of what i like the most, if it's the teardown or the awesome commentary you do.
Best video of yours I have ever seen. Hilarious in multiple parts for multiple reasons, and the cake farts reference won my heart entirely. I was delighted that you actually know the definition of the word 'total'. It is so often misused to refer to people who only go as far as they are comfortable, then wish to call it done. That's my first time seeing inside a Lithium-based battery like that. I have read in a good bit of detail how they actually work, though. Enough that I would never repeat what you did myself. It's really pretty neat how they took a technology which is really very sensitive and dangerous by itself, but by pairing it with some simple electronics were able to transform it into the absolute safest battery technology we've ever had. Now we've got fantastic energy density in relatively lightweight tiny volumes. One of those things that is often overlooked but really underpins a huge number of the technologies that shape how we live. I wish I knew enough chemistry to guess what you were smelling, but I've no idea. I am fairly confident that it wasn't anything you'd like to inhale on a regular basis, though...
Fascinating, this somewhat reminds me of the Polaroid instant picture film pack battery that would get tossed out with plenty of power left.
Nicely done.
The stainless steel container is TIG-welded along the seam at the top. It's a Lithium-ion chemistry inside. The electrode on the internal aluminum-substrate is probably ultrasonically welded.
this might have been a bad idea, but thank you; now i know how to get the balancing board from the battery without starting a fire!
Big Clive I have say that line at 14:30 to 15:00 was the best thing I've heard tonight as the time for me now is 1:10 am. Keep the funny things coming as it a great way to have a laugh.
"cake farts, do not look up cake farts". You are one strange guy, Clive. I respect that.
You're certainly a brave one! I discovered a bulging li-ion battery in an old phone about a week ago and carefully disposed of it wrapped in paper and foil. Was worried it might spontaneously combust. Spontaneously...
Quick word of advice, If you're working with harsh chemicals, use Nitrile gloves instead of latex/vinyl, its a much denser material so stops more bad stuff ;)
Looked up cake farts on the internet. Worst day of my life.
Hi Big Clive! ...... Little Clive here! 👍😂
"Flame 💥🔥 Containment Dish" ...... I'll have to get one of those! 👍😂
When I wear Rubber Gloves, something "exciting" usually happens too! 😂😂😂
This is the lab geek version of a social media personality livestreaming while peering over the edge of a deep canyon & while taking just one more step to "see" if the view gets any better.
I feel like I just ran into this man in Winderhold while gathering supplies for my journey across skyrim
Some batteries have an hours counter in their charge controller that makes them fake report the battery is dead or weak. To reset drop the battery voltage to about 2.5V. Then briefly short the cell itself out, a second or two is enough. Next use a vape pen charger to directly charge the cell to 3.5v or so. Then apply a bit more than that voltage to the positive and negative of the bms board to wake it up. Finally pop back into the device and charge normally. Congratulations you now have your battery restored to 80 to 95 percent of new capacity.
Always the best teardowns!!! ........ now put it back together :)
Cell: dripping fluid and about to explode
Clive: picks it up and continues prying
"While thats melting down,
lets take a look at this..."
If a polymer battery started to hiss, Id run like hell! You sir have balls of steel.
"yeah, this was a terrible idea" (keeps on cutting into it without hesitation)