Seven DEPTH Mysteries in Tears of the Kingdom | Let's Talk About #40
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- This time I am talking about Seven Depth Mysteries in Tears of the Kingdom!
Each one is directly focused on something unusual we see in the depth that either doesn't make sense, or simply isn't explained.
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Chapters:
0:00 The Intro
0:59 Mystery #1
2:39 Mystery #2
4:26 Mystery #3
6:29 Mystery #4
9:33 Mystery #5
11:01 Mystery #6
13:20 Mystery #7
17:56 Closing - Ігри
I theorize that the ghostly soldiers are the spirits of the soldiers who died in the latest calamity.
Considering they are wearing the Hyrulean Soldier armor, that could very well be the case. I wish there was more information on them. It does raise the question though, why they have such different equipment based on the territories. I would have expected Rito Ghosts in Hebra, Gerudo Ghosts in the desert, etc.
@PixelFusionProductions They're located right below monuments to people who died in the Calamity, it's pretty heavily implied that was their cause of death
@@PixelFusionProductions My theory is is that perhaps the souls we find in the Depths are sort of those who died fighting the Calamity that were not remembered by anyone making there souls unidentifiable.
I thought they were too. Unlike the other lost souls (poes), they still have human form and the ability to protect their weapons
@@samlewis6487 not all of their placement track with the Calamity. At least, I don't think so. For example, there are ghost in the Gerudo Highlands, yet no Guardians were there. For that matter, why would Hylian soldiers be up there.
The truth of the matter is, all we really know is that there a ghosts on mounds underground. That Zelda is unaware the underground and its ghosts. And that she chose locations where there happen to be 3 ghost gathered.
There could be a lot of explanations to that. At the end of the day, it a mystery, just as I claimed in the video.
What fascinates me the most about the depths is how it's a perfect mirror of the overworld, even for things that must've happened AFTER the Zonai left, i.e. things related to the divine beasts (like that hole in that one mountain, anyone?). It's like some kind of quantum entanglement witchcraft.
I talked about those inconsistencies in the past mysteries video. I don't think there is anything as crazy a quantum entanglement involved, just a case of the developers making a blunder. That being said, I would play with the idea that perhaps the Froxes are connected to the shaping and maintaining of the land...
@@PixelFusionProductions No way, if you're gonna call something a developer blunder then why theorize about anything in the game at all?
The depths is definitely metaphysical in some way, I'd argue it's some equivalent to a dark world like what's seen in previous games
@@mayanightstar What if the theory is that they made a blunder? I'm not calling everything a blunder in the game, but I think they really messed up the typography of the depths, specifically under Hebra, Dueling Peaks, and the Gerudo wall.
@@rangedweevil6150 Agreed, they were going for the Underworld vibe I feel after taking inspiration from Stranger Things.
The Coliseums were probably for warriors to test their mettle, given Rauru's a bit of a warrior king.
Though, a portion of Zonai structures in the Depths are implied to signifigantly predate Rauru. So the Coliseums in the Depths might've belonged to the Barbarian set's "war-like" tribe who were popularly theorized to have been the Zonai.
Actually, the "war-like tribe" could've been a primitive or ancient era of the Zonai.
Right, I basically belive that a lot of what we see in the depths predate Rauru and Mineru, and that the Zonai used to be much different. It seems like Ganondorf's resentment for Rauru, for lack of a better phrase, is because he thinks Rauru's gone soft compared to what they used to be and the opportunity of conquest they had.
@@PixelFusionProductions By a war-like tribe i think there is another zonai tribe, both a barbaric human war tribe and the "descendants of gods" TOTK says
@@PixelFusionProductionsganon does become a water dragon like what was worshiped by the ancient zonai
@@darkdagger5237 I have no idea why you think this. Ganondorf becomes a Dragon yes, but it isn't a "water dragon".
@@PixelFusionProductionsthe black dragon is water questwithaaron has a video on the dragons and the myths they are based on
Something else of note about Mekar Island: in BotW if you stand on top of the tree in the middle of the island while wearing the Blue shirt/lobster shirt from Wind waker the wind starts to blow faster. I tested this in TotK wearing the Blue Shirt as well as the full Wind armor set but the wind doesnt blow faster anymore.
Not the most interesting change in the game by far, but still had me speculating as to why the devs removed that feature.
That is an interesting tidbit! Thank you for sharing, I'll have to go check this in BotW now.
They wanted to prevent it because when you fight Zelda and the sanctum gets all new, its really just teleporting you to another sanctum beneath the sanctum, and the don’t want you to access that area.
That's a interesting theory, but one I know is false. Boundary Break recently did a episode that shows how the sanctum battle takes place. It's in the same location, literally.
I think the tunnels Link and Zelda used to get that deep below Hyrule Castle were presumably in and/or surrounding that pillar which pushed Hyrule Castle upward, and when the upheaval happened they became inaccessible.
I would have liked to have seen evidence of their existence in thar area. The walls of the chasm a fairly smooth with gloom on them, no recessed areas to imply there was a cave or tunnel there besides the whole leading to the electric like-like room.
Ideally, there should have been some broken caves that literally end with a open hole into the chasm. I'll reiterate what I keep saying in the comments. It feels like they intended the Royal Passage to be the path Link and Zelda took to the Forgotten Foundation, but looking it over, there isn't any evidence it actually connected with the chasm or anyplace as deep as -1000.
The Gerudo desert actually doesn’t go on forever. There’s an ocean beyond it, you can see it from the sky islands
I actually say this in my first mystery. Some of the first visuals talk about how it goes on to the coast. When I said "go on forever" later on, it was meant merely in the context of the border of the map. Nit-picking aside, the Wall shouldn't exist, that's the core of the mystery so let's stay on track.
@@PixelFusionProductionsunless the wall is caused by the sand storm then it should exist
@@darkdagger5237 And what sandstorm as you speaking of? If you view the boarder of the desert from the sky, there is no sand storm. The wall simply shouldn't exist, and clearly exists as a means of blocking the player from leaving the map.
@@PixelFusionProductionswhenever you go close to the border you will find the sandstorm and where its at its strongest is where the wall in the depths is check it for yourself
My best guess for the coliseums in the depths is that their purpose is the same as the presumed purpose as the coliseum ruins on the surface: combat training, both against monsters and fellow soldiers. The coliseums make for perfect arenas for combat under controlled conditions with the potential for observers to watch, though not necessarily being a soectstor sport. It seems unlikely to me that the Zonai would take slaves, much less force them into gladitorial fights to the death in front of an audience of their peers, and from a developer/meta standpoint, I doubt Nintendo would intend for that to be the case but still try to portray Rauru as an honorable, respectable, widely beloved ruler who was more than willing to sacrifice himself for his people.
Instead I think it's more likely that it's similsr to the Hinox/ Stalnox arena within Hyrule Castle, a place to test the combst skills and strength of soldiers of the kingdom under controlled conditions so that in case anything went wrong, the situation vould be brought under control swiftly and safely. It may have even become a sport later on, but I would still imagine the participants were willing, and the foght was not to the death.
This also explains the altars in the center of the arena. If, like the test of the royal guard, these combat trials were used to test the abilities of future knights, and their success granted them that title, then the little altar in the middle of the arena may have held a chest, like it does in modern day, containing a piece of equipment befitting a knight.
Why there are so many of them, especially in strange places, like the lone island (beneath Eventude Island) is a mystery to me. I can only really rsrionalize it as either accesibility or testing soldiers in different conditions (see the scirching coliseum). It's not a perfect theory, but I think it's worth considering.
Next, the shadow soldiers.
I believe the soldier spirits are more akin to something like the Hero's Shade from Twilight Princess, soldiers who were killed in the line of duty, unable to move on to their rightful place in the afterlife due to some form of unfulfillment, be that regret over their premature death, their seeming failure to adequately perform their duty as a protector of the kingdom, or desire to continue to help their kingdom in anyway they can (like how the Hero's Shade was unable to move on because he was unable to pass down his knowledge to any successor and thus lingered as a spirit until he found someone able of body and mind to receive it.) To this end, i believe that these Soldier's Shades aren't ancient gladiators, but rather somewhat recently deceased soldiers who perished during the Calamity or conflicts within the past few centuries before it (though it is more likely in my mind that they were from the Calamity specifically.) Pretty much every soldier in Age of Calamity wears the same Hylian Soldier Armor set as the shades, and it makes sense that so many soldiers who died such crushing, traumatic, swift deaths without even standing a chance, unable to protect their kingdom or its people, would linger as Spirits in a realm where spirits unable to move on dwell in abundance. The trios appearing underneath monuments dedicated to the souls lost during the Calamity solidifies this for me, as it does not seem like mere coincidence, and it wouldn't make much sense to have such deep connections to these monuments if the spirits were merely gladiators.
But i do think that there is a bit of positivity to be found in this. Interestingly, it seems like only Link is able to actually see the spirits. Some notes from Yiga from a base in the depths (I forget which one, I think it may be the one under Kakariko?) mentions how there's strange stacks of stones of unknown origin that have weapons floating above them for seemingly no reason. The Yiga are unable to see the spirits, but Link can, and is freely able to take the weapons they offer.
So, putting it all together, my theory is this: the shadow soldiers of the depths are the aimless, restless spirits of soldiers slain during the events of the calamity, unable to accept their untimely deaths and move on to the afterlife due to their regret in failing in their duty as protectors of the kingdom. As such, they linger in the depths, a place where lost souls dwell, waiting for an opportunity to fulfill their oath, congregating in important areas, either around monuments dedicated to the lives they lost/ failed to protect, or near strong enemies, so that they may offer assistance to a fellow soldier who may be in need of a weapon. When Link arrives, the spirits may recognize him to some degree as a fellow soldier and a knight to the kingdom; hell, if these were soldiers from the era of the calamiry, some of them may have even known Link personally, trained with him, spoke to him, knew that he was the Champion of Hyrule and sworn protector of Proncess Zelda. They offer their weapons, their swords and spears, to Link, as a way to rectify their failures and fulfill their duty vicariously through Link by giving him tools he can use to fight against evil and protect Hyrule. With this final act of loyalty to their kingdom, they are finally able to ease their regrets and move on to the afterlife.
Of course, they do respawn with the blood moon but I'd like to think of this as new spirits who have taken the place of the ones who have moved on, looking for their own chance at redemtion.
That's my interpretation at least. I may be completely wrong, but i feel like it holds a bit more emotional weight that way too.
There is a lot to intake from your comments, but I'll be brief. The zonai make constructs who are intelligent enough to maintain their structures, execute orders, and have conversations. These constructs are powered by a green energy that seems to be related to souls. And we have a Sage of Spirit who shows not only that she can move her own spirit into a machine, but whose temple has many alcoves with space for said machines.
The past Zonai may have had slaves. The more recent ones may merely create them in the form of machines. We don't know, but if we look at the cultures the Zonai architecture is based off... the Aztec and Mayans, slavery and human sacrifice are part of that culture.
Thank you for your comment.
to expand on your shade theory they may not be just from the recent calamity they may also have some from previous calamities including the first calamity
Actually if you reference the memories, the Zonai ToT was on the surface. It was connected to the land directly below. Hence the bridges and portion of lake just around the temple. It was raised to be a safe haven, is my best guess, since they knew Link would get injured and when.
Right, this is stated in the game. The Tot, and other land masses were raised into the sky to form the Great Sky Island, what was originally known as the Garden of Time.
I always thought the knight spirits were Hyrulean knights who fought against the Calamity and were similar to the poes, but they still had the unyielding desire to protect Hyrule. After death, they were sent to the Underworld, refusing the light of the other side, since they did not want to abandon their fight or relinquish their weapons.
The idea that they protect their weapons after death is very admirable. Death before dishonor I think is the general creed.
Supporting evidence for the Zonai colloseums is the gerudo graveyard. The slabs all have Zonai script on them, and are right by the desert colloseum. The Gibdos are likely somehow cursed gladiators
Good catch about the graveyard! Thanks for pointing that out.
That's pretty cool
No matter if Wind Waker is canon or not, the fact that Rocksalt is there on the surface might mean that this section of Hyrule has been probably risen up at some point and that parts of it were way more below water surface level.
I mean this would explain some parts like why the entire nothern area is surrounded by cliffs seperating Hyrule from the remaining land.
One concept I've played with to explain both the depths and the ocean, is the idea that the Zonai Terraformed the land. Consider the cavity below ground that makes the depths came about because they literally raised the land above it. This also explains the Gerudo Desert Wall in the depths.
I would assume that alot of the tunnels under Hyrule castle were collapsed or altered when the castle was raised by Ganon.
This is a fair assumption. The problem is there doesn't seem to be a starting location that Link & Zelda entered through. I really get the impression they wanted the Royal Passage to be that, but it doesn't work.
@@PixelFusionProductions true, maybe there were two ways to enter? And the entrance they used was somewhere at the base of the castle near the water and it connected to the same area we see in the beginning but due to the Castle being raised that entrance was collapsed leaving the royal passage open but collapsing the tunnels to the underground while opening up some new caves that are the ones we use to get to Ganon at the end.
@@SiriusCygnus there are parts of the castle that are cleanly broken from the others now in the sky. I woukd have expected to see a cave or tunnel leading into the chasm with a big hole. There is nothing like that. It gets worse though.
Leading to the Forgotten Foundation are clear Zonai ruins, complete with a device depo with devices, active lights, and clear stonework. Zelda woukd have seen this and yet she acts in the Forgotten Foundation as though they didn't just walk past that stuff. Remember, she created the Zonsi Survey Team.
@@PixelFusionProductions yeah it seems they may have cut a lot of what we saw in the trailer. I just know that a lot of the caves we explore in the game were said to have been opened due to the upheaval so I can assume there were caves that were closed or collapsed at the same time.
Like for example the entrance to ganons chamber we see for a split second in the trailer is completely different.
I just thought of this but what if the entrance is located somewhere in the inaccessible astral observatory or what remains of it. They could have found it when demolishing the observatory and that could have allowed the gloom out without them noticing it initially till it started making people sick then investigated it further. Still wouldn't explain why the observatory is sealed now like maybe Ganon pushing the castle up pushed rubble into chamber.
@@SiriusCygnus my gripe isn't so much that the caves from the teaser are missing, it's that the final build of the game fails to address my fundamental question here. Where are the caves the used to get down there? It can't be the Royal Passage, and there are no other caves leading into the forgotten foundation that are not littered with Zonai Ruins for Zelda to nerd out over. Likewise the only tunnels from the basically intact, though severed, Hyrule Castle are the Royal Passage which I covered extensively.
This is the mystery, and if I am so bold to say, the plot hole in my video.
You should really ask 'what are the Depths?' before getting into the minuta of each individual area. Solving that would answer a lot of questions first. It's also important to note that the gloom and enemies that appear at the bottom of the chasm aren't there in the beginning of the game. It's also a lot more clean, I guess. It's easy to imagine that early on in development that Ganondorf's location was somewhere under Zora's Domain, based on the secret/true ending to Breath of the Wild.
What are the depth... that's a huge question. I think his location was always meant to be under Hyrule Castle. It's hard to say though.
That’s one of those questions that you really need the appropriate cultural context to answer properly. This game draws heavily from Shinto and Buddhist themes, not surprising given it was developed and written in Japan. Sadly, I’m not an expert in that subject, so I can’t confidently say much more than that.
On the topic of context clues, did you know that the shrine names are anagrams of similarly-placed locations in Kyoto, on which the BotW/TotK map was based?
Those gears in the Temple of Time you have to use Rewind on, look just like Mineru’s mask
Both Rauru and Mineru have an affinity for owls. Now that you mention it, I can see it. There is much about the zonai we don't know, and sadly, we likely never will.
One mystery I haven't seen anyone comment about.
There's this one Yiga camp that has a cut off message saying someone warned that that place would be destroyed soon?
The camp is a wreck, but what could destroy it and how was someone able to warn them before hand?
Did I miss something here?
I believe that message was simply that they were moving to new location because they were too exposed there. If I recall, it is near the Hylia Mine under the Great Plateau, and seems like it is intended for a early message that the Yiga have base.
@@PixelFusionProductions Sure, but the place was destroyed by something, you think it might've been a Frox or some other monster?
The message was erratic like the one writing was dying, it's pretty weird, I'll have to check it again in game.
@@Aladato I'll check it out again. Do you happen to know it's location?
About the Mekar Island theory. One way to find definite answers to clip through the island. I'm not sure how to do it myself, but speed runners of this game do it all of the time. If I had to guess though, there probably isn't any depth area under that island.
In the situation of clipping through art assets to see parts of the game unintended by the developers, I do not generally consider that canon. It's clear we are not meant to go under it, and the odds of them having a room there is slim at best, so it wouldn't solve thus mystery. Thank you for bringing it up.
Rauru says that he's the last of the zonai. His previous ancestors built the depths mines and arenas.
I agree, his people built all that. I don't think Rauru is using them, and has taken on a more enlightened stance, perhaps guided by his lovely wife. Mineru may echo the older way of thinking, but limits her thoughts to the construction and use of machines.
Consider that the constructs appear to be sentient, intelligent, and immortal. Is the Sage of Spirits transferring souls into machines to make slaves? Even if the machines are powered by souk energy, her construct factory is creating life, and those lives are doomed to forever upkeep the lands and structures of the zonai.
@PixelFusionProductions It's a possibility. Where does she get the souls? We're innocents sacrificed? Did they ask for volunteers or was it without choice? Or is it something different like criminals that were sacrificed?
Unfortunately, we will probably never know.
@@bdhuffman42 I agree we will probably never know. I questioned in the video if the early Hylians were slaves, and if the ghosts were soldiers or Gladiators from that time. I'm more inclined to think the ghosts are soldiers who died from the Calamity though. They are afterall wearing the more modern soldier armor, the same armor we saw in Age of Calamity. That being said, why are they only Hylians and not the other races, especially since they offer different race equipment in different we regions?
@PixelFusionProductions Yea, I guess it would be much more convenient to use the souls that are already dead.
@PixelFusionProductions Side Topic: Am I the only one who thought that Gorondia was designed to look like the Fire Temple from OoT? It's inside the crater as well.
The soldiers holding weapons in the depths are just deceased hylian soldiers who died in regret for not winning and so they linger in the world of the dead up until Link fulfills their wish and take their weapon to finally win against evil. Now they can finally give their burden to Link and move on.
Yes, they are wearing Hylian Soldier Armor if you compare them. Most agree at this point that the soldiers are from the Calamity. It's a mystery why we don't see the ghosts of other non-Hylians.
@@PixelFusionProductions maybe the ghosts from other races are the poes???
@@gregorygan2077 It's hard to say for sure. I have a developing theory on this, so stay tuned. Probably not for a couple weeks though as there are other things in the pipeline.
really interesting video!! the last mystery had been on my mind as well
Thanks! I was a bit more thorough on the last one, as I wanted to address any likely kickback from the claim. The worst part is, is that the placement of the tablet really feels like they meant to imply that the Royal Passage could have connected, but there isn't any evidence for that.
I'll admit though that there is a Horroblin Room in the Royal Passage the veers off to the east side of Castle Town. Maybe... Maybe... that could have led to a passage, but really doesn't seem like it does. It's a dead end. And even if it did connect, the tablet inscription raises the question of why Zelda didn't realize what was up ahead, and more important... why they should be careful not to disturb it. Instead, she seems shocked and confused about what they are headed towards.
Thanks for the comment.
What paraglider is that you’re using? I need it in my life.
It's the Twilight Princess one. I got it from my Wolf Link Amiibo.
@@PixelFusionProductions Thank you 🙏
I’m new to the channel and subscribed. I was wondering if you had any videos that talk about the Zonai maybe using whatever method Link does to shrink down in Minish Cap to become the Picori. They look like similar animals, are from the sky islands, their contacts with the wind tribe have bird designs in their level so it seems like maybe Skyward Sword, Minish Cap have a lot in common with these games. The Zonai “disappeared” and their dragons, like the Picori, can be seen by the pure.
Thanks for joining! The only real theory I did on them was just before launch, where I talked about their Soul Technology. I'm happy to say it holds up too!
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That being said, things involving their disappearance are on the table for future discussion. I have a few things ahead though, so it will be probably a couple months. Hope you will stick around and enjoy what I make though!
@@PixelFusionProductionsmy thoughts on the death of the majority of the zonai is a dragon war giving reason for draconification to be forbidden and for dragon bone to be such a common material and all those large rib cage things every were
@@darkdagger5237 The problem with the idea of Dragon Bone coming from those skeletal remains around Hyrule, is that they are simply too large. It's possible that the term "Dragon Bone" is misleading, and isn't bone from Dragons as we know them (Such as Farosh, Naydra, and Dinraal), but simply something large that they were once called Dragons.
As for this supposed war, I would like to see any evidence you had that one happened. I have my own theories about it, and someday, I will make a video about it.
@@PixelFusionProductions just found your response
for the size of dragons we have a sample size of five so to say they are too large to be dragons isn't a good argument we also have dragon bone mire to connect the giant bones across hyrule to dragons
as for the dragon war that would take a video because too much of my evidence needs to be shown at the same time I will get to making that video at some later point I currently have a backlog of videos to make still working on the first one
@@darkdagger5237 I would be interested in watching your video when it comes out. I think you aren't understanding what I'm saying about Dragons though.
When it comes Farosh, Nadra, Dinraal, Light, and Demon Dragon, we know how they were created. They are eternal. They share the serpentine of Eastern Style dragons. The remains of large creatures we see on the surface I am confident in saying are not like them.
While they too might be a "Dragon", they would not be the same as the ones we are talking about, in much the same way that Gleeok is a "Dragon", but clearly not the same type as Naydra or the other 4.
Talks like this are better handled on Discord.
#6 is a developmental issue. The assets of the world map and the imprisoning chamber are not linked/connected. Think of it like, the imprisoning chamber is not in the world map, so you can't get to the world map from it.
They could be linked if the code was patched, and I think you make a good continuity point they should be linked.
Around the pillar though, while in the imprisoning chamber, I am able to acsend through the ceiling into the chasm right next to the pillar. It is only the part of the pillar that would continue higher into the castle itself that us disallowed.
After getting to defend gerudo from a gibdos horde, my mind went right back to red dead redemption's zombie dlc, wouldnt it be hectic and challenging if the world was ALSO populated with hordes of gibdos?
The guards would finally see some action at towns, areas would be far more threatening when you never know if you're safe!
Maybe if they just had the skeletal enemies show up in hordes greater than 2-4, and spawned on more than just link, we could see additional moments for fun interactions
Basically, lets make the overworld warring like jack&daxter 2
I thinking a quest chain of defending towns from monster attacks would be really cool! Perhaps more of a Hyrule Warriors thing though.
I believe the Hyrule Castle pillar thing is indeed a technical limitation. You can't ascend through any part of the depths ceiling either. It's likely that the access pillars were specifically programmed for ascending to the surface.
There are parts of the depth ceiling you can ascend through, I've done it before. And I'm talking about more than just the Ascend Columns that were clearly built for that purpose.
I didn't include footage of it, and I should have, but you can cleanly ascend from the Improsoning Chamber into the chasms inches away from the pillar. While that is still in the chasm, it really striking to see the shift from green to red when you move directly under the pillar.
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Really? Interesting... Well, I haven't found any part of the ceiling you can ascend through. I guess that's not it, then. Next, I was going to suggest a distance limit, but your second paragraph there seems to prove that wrong as well.
@@JoltsD I wish I had been paying more attention to where. I want to say it was in gerudo around the pyramid, or in Necluda around the lurelin cliff. I also want to say, it involve ascending through stalactites. I'll need to double check, it's been a bit since I've been doing exploration in the game now.
@@JoltsD Distance doesn't seem to be an issue either, as you can ascend using the ascend column from deep under the Dueling Peaks all the way to the top. I don't know the exact stance, but I suspect that is over 4,000 units.
When I have some time, I'll investigate more as I'm curious why it is some places can be ascended through and not others.
Alternatively, the collusuems could be built by the deamon king and his army?
Seems unlikely it was built by the Demon King since he was sealed away. The conflict with him lasted less than a year I would say too, so I doubt it was made when he and the sages were fighting. Also, the Colosseums have Zonai stonework in them, not to mention some lights in some of them. I believe the chests in them are also the Zoani style of chest, and so I'm inclined to say, they are Zonai in origin. Now the real question... why were they made?
The ghostly soldiers wear modern Hyrule armor, so it doesn't feel like they are related to the old Zonai colosseums, just lingering souls stuck in the depths.
Why did they get a physical rock mound though, this creates another depths mystery as to how it changes physically.
That's a fair point. I've moved I'm the direction that the ghosts are a result of the Calamity, as many in the comments have brought up.
As for the mounds, yeah... that isn't clear at all.
gameplay wise, they're definitely just there to make the knight spirits stand out more, but the rock mounds are definitely based off of cairns in the real world, which is basically an ancient landmark usually used to mark a grave or other important places, while since these are probably souls that died during the great calamity we see during breath of the wild's flashback cutscenes, it's likely it's not their graves, so I don't know why they happen to be there, the ghost knights are clearly a form a poe that just wandered to these cairns, but a cairn can mark just about anything so maybe they're there to mark areas with significance to souls, spirits or the deceased in the Depths?
7:44 I find this strange. I hear people talking about this, but when I went to it myself there was nothing. I rested in the campfire till night and still nothing. I ran around and around for about 5 minutes yet the gloom hands hadn't spawned.
The same happenet to me with the gloom hands in central hyrule town, or atleast I think it did cuz all the npcs there talk about it wandering around there
I might go play around with it some more and see if I can repeat it. I think it is related to picking up the rock though. A rude ambush when looking for a Korok perhaps.
@PixelFusionProductions It's not related to the rock. They spawned for me as soon as I landed on the island. The hand spawns are just weird sometimes.
@@equinox8832 Hmm... I wonder if it is related to the moon cycle then. It's real interesting, perhaps a future mystery. *Wink*
on mekar island I can't find gloom hands just a wizrob do you have to kill the wizrobe first or what?
Interesting. It showed up when I picked up the rock. I did notice later there was a wizrobe present, but not on my first visit. Weird.
Wow… That was pretty in Depth… 😏
I agree the Gerudo depths would have been amazing, if they simply ran on into an unexplorable darkness.
I wouldn't be surprised if the original rout Zelda and Link used to reach Ganondorf was destroyed during the upheaval.
See, I really don't think there is grounds to make that claim. If... IF... there was a tunnel leading to the Chasm that just broke off in mid-air, like we see with parts of Hyrule Caslte; I wouldn't be raising such a complaint. But here, the Royal Passage simply doesn't have anything that would connect.
I did say there are parts of the castle that are missing, parts that were in BotW even. I would accept that a tunnel could have led from there, but I would like to have seen evidence in Totk to support that. Not us having to make up stuff to justify what was stated.
@@PixelFusionProductions That last part is key, to me. We are left to fill in the gaps. That's great, when we have solid ground to work off of. Less so, when literal pathways don't match up.
I'm still not even sure what the Depths are supposed to be. They don't make sense as a subterranean world simply just due to how it mirrors the world above it. They also don't make any logical sense as what we seen of the supporting walls and pillars down there, I'm pretty sure wouldn't be enough to support the weight of Hyrule, especially when you add on the potential of water pressure from the many rivers, lakes, ponds, and the ocean.
I agree, it would be structurally stable. Actually, I might accept the Gerudo wall exists as a means of helping support it, but it wouldn't be enough.
Imo I think stuff like this is trying to apply real life physics a little too much. It's a magical world, it doesn't necessarily have to be completely realistic.
My take on the Depths is that it's actually where the remains of the pre-BotW games ended up when the timelines fused, kind of like how Old Hyrule was underneath the Great Ocean. That's why there's so many weapons and armour sets from the past games down there.
@@Shinntoku I find it a little funny you say that we can't apply physics when this game literally built a physics engine for its crazy devices. That being said, I feel that a fair bit of skepticism can be applied to things, because if isn't, then the suspension of disbelief is broken. In other words, if the story doesn't make sense, then it loses credibility.
I get that this game was a massive undertaking. I expect these problems with the Depths I keep bringing up are a result of a dedicated team of people being handed the project and told to create a brand new map, possibly without understanding the lore/subject mater of BotW. The Gerudo Wall probably came about as a result of such a team being told to make a rock wall around the entire map, and not any critical thinking about how the Gerudo Desert functions above ground. Honestly, this is a problem with the director, he should have been paying more attention to his masterpiece. No piece of art is without its flaws, the challenge of an artist is how they deal with those flaws afterward.
I think that's all I have to say about this.
Speaking of Bargainer Statues, did you know there’s a face on their backs?
I did! I talked about that in a previous video, even put light seeds in the eye sockets! Thanks for sharing.
the temple of time was actually built on the ground so it makes sense there is a bargainer statue for the temple of time. what im curious about now is the original bargainer statue and why its been moved.... in a way it seems to operate in the same way as the ones in the depths but with your actual life essence instead of poes. (life essence of souls)
We can't be certain it was built in the ground first. Just because we see it on the ground in the memories doesn't me it originated there. These are sky people after all. It could be that they landed it there when they decided to start their kingdom...
#1: The Depths, as far as we can explore them, are an incarnation of Lorule, the Dark World equivalent of Hyrule. There are almost certainly other "Depths" beyond Hyrule's border, but the explorable Depths in TotK end at Lorule's border, which itself lines up more or less with Hyrule's border.
#2: Luckily, the armor that Rauru's soldiers wore was very different from the armor that the weapon-offering spirits wear, which seems to be modeled after the armor worn by the guards in OoT. I can't entirely rule out the idea of gladiatorial battles, but I must also point out that the original purpose for the coliseum of Rome wasn't entertainment, but so that Rome's generals could observe the combat techniques and tactics of captured enemy soldiers, to improve their own military might. I hope that the coliseums we see find in the depths aren't about forcing Hylians to fight monsters, but more about allowing Hylian soldiers to observe how monsters fight each other so they can better prepare to fight them.
#3: Although you probably tire of this explanation, I consider this more-or-less proof of the theory that the Depths change to reflect the surface(as I've said before, though, I believe that the surface also changes to reflect the Depths, and that the changes are much more gradual, which allows for the inconsistencies between them). Many cultures and religions believe that the souls of the dead are drawn to specific places, such as their "home" during life, the place where they or others have died, places with some kind of religious significance, or, in this case, altars and monuments built in their honor. The structures the spirits stand on actually have a real world inspiration, cairns, which are stacks of rocks whose purpose is to mark something, often a place of burial. Their appearance is very different from the other Zonai- or Yiga-made structures found throughout the Depths, but they are also artificial. So who built them? I believe that the spirits themselves had a role to play in building these "cairns", whether by actually moving rocks by "hand", or by causing rocks to fall in a way that would create a platform to stand on, despite how improbable it would be for that to happen naturally even one time, let alone hundreds. In any case, I believe they are one of the most recent changes that the Depths have made to themselves (that is to say, changes that are not the result of either the Zonai or Yiga), and that each of the smaller cairns marks something significant to that particular spirit, whether it is their place of birth or death, while the larger cairns were the result of multiple spirits working together because they were drawn to the monuments on the surface.
#4: I've been wondering what the purpose of Mekar Island was since I saw in BotW. The only explanation I have for the location in general is that it must be a reference to the Forbidden Forest from Wind Waker, which was the home of the Koroks before the Great Deku Tree within it died, and it was taken over by monsters. During the game, a Korok named Makar falls into it and Link must save him, which is where the island gets its name. It wouldn't be the first time that BotW used the corrupted name of characters from a previous game to name a significant location or object, such as Vah Ruta referencing Princess Ruto, Vah Rudania AND Lake Darunia referencing Darunia, and Vah Naboris referencing Nabooru from OoT, as well as Vah Medoh referencing Medli from WW.
#6: Those pillars you can ascend out of the Depths through are the ONLY locations you can do so. It is not so much that the devs deliberately decided to not let you ascend through the pillar into Hyrule Castle, and more about them only allowing you to ascend at certain points in the Depths, and that Hyrule Pillar isn't one of them.
#7: As you said yourself, the tunnels they used were destroyed during the Upheaval. It is the only logical conclusion. There are a number of areas in the floating Hyrule Castle, especially towards its bottom, that lead nowhere. You enter them through doorways that lead only to open air, and they end in hallways that have completely collapsed. The tunnels leading downward probably connected to at least one of these areas, though which one is entirely unknown.
1: I don't believe that BotW / TotK are in the same continuity as the old games. Even if they were, the claim that the depths are an incarnation of Lourule is absurd. Lorule recovered from its problems at the end of A Link Between Worlds, they have their own Triforce.
2: The Armor worn by the ghost is the same as the Hylian Soldier set. While it bares some similarities to the armor we see in Ocarina of Time, that is simply because this soldier armor was modeled after that. Again, I don't believe BotW / TotK are in the same continuity as the old games and are rebooted continuity interpreting old stories through a new perspective. That perspective is a very traditional Japanese Shinto lens.
3: You are right, I am tired of people bringing this up and me explaining my points over and over again. If the depths change to reflect the surface, provide me some proof, something stated in the game to support this. The way it is presented is as though the place is ancient and relatively untouched since those ancient times. The constructs continue to function down there. You would think if things were changing, that over 10,000 years, that would have impacted them more. Furthermore, please explain to me why the mining facility in the Dueling Peaks is mining into the wall that didn't exist there during Rauru's era.
The Depths is littered with mistakes because the team that created it didn't do their homework with the lore, and probably just took the near finished map of the game, inverted it, and made the depths without too much thought.
4: The name Mekar comes from Wind Waker. If you stand on the tree in BotW, wind will blow. That's basically the extent of the reference behind it. You know about how Stall enemies will ambush you at night, and how Gloom Hands are there in TotK. I'm really said there wasn't a passage way from the Korok Depths to under Mekar Island. It could have been something like the House of Bones again, filled with Stall enemies.
6: Since I've made this video more has come to light about the situation. First, you are correct that the Ascend Columns are the only means to Ascend out of the depths without really convoluted things like a platform over a chasm. It would seem that the game makes a simple check if Ascension would cross the loading barrier of the game, and if so, it doesn't allow it. This seems to be the reason why that specific part of the Imprisoning Chamber doesn't allow Ascension because it would basically take you into the Throne Room.
Personally, if I were in charge, I would have made an exception here like the Ascend Columns because it would be cool to see. Too bad. I would like to point out that the ceiling of the Imprisoning Chamber allows Ascension, and it takes you to the bottom of the Chasm around the Hyrule Pillar. You ascend out of it, and the mural room just fine because there is land inside the depths above it. This is also true of Gloom's Lair, stay tuned for the next video when I bring that up more.
7: I explained my point rather well in the video.
If Link and Zelda used the Secret Royal Passageway, then they would have passed right by the warning tablet about the Demon King and the Seal. Surely Zelda would have read that, right? If she did, she shouldn't be so utterly shocked about what they find down there, thus it seems unlikely that they used that passage to get down there despite what the game implies. As such, there must have been other tunnels connecting to the Forgotten Foundation.
If you take a look around the Forgotten Foundation though, you will see no other tunnels that would make sense, and believe me, I cleared out every single boulder of rubble down there. I do agree that it could be the tunnels collapsed, however, you are overlooking that the entire area from the Lynal Room to the Foundation is littered with Zonai stuff. Surely Zelda would have stopped and taken pictures, rambled, and generally gone on about the Zonai before reaching the Forgotten Foundation. So again, her behavior at the start of the game discounts the idea that they passed through tunnels leading through there.
I again ask the question I did in my video, where are the tunnels they used? They don't seem to exist, and there is no evidence of tunnels they could have used that didn't take them through Zonai-littered hallways.
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@@PixelFusionProductions Sorry for making such a long comment. I have a lot of thoughts in my head. In the future, feel free to only respond to the more interesting points in my comments (for example, #4 and #7 were more like additions or comments on your points, not arguments against them or solutions to the mysteries, and I wasn't expecting a response to either), or just straight up ignore my comment if you feel it isn't worth the time.
@@PixelFusionProductions As for proof that the Depths have changed over time, I present the "Master Kohga of the Depths" side adventure. Once he ultimately flees to the Hebra Abandoned Mine, one of the constructs at the Abandoned Lanayru Mine says that the route to it through the Depths is no longer viable, because it has collapsed, and directs you to find a chasm that leads directly to the mine. Also, there are statues, or "guideposts" as the constructs call them, leading to each of the abandoned mines. However, the statues of Rito that lead towards the Abandoned Hebra Mine end abruptly at a rock wall. In fact, the last statue in that line is half buried, and a nearby "researcher" is baffled by this, since they're supposed to lead towards a mine. This is clear proof that the Depths DO change, although the time it takes to do so is not shown.
@@JoshuaEisenbart Parts of the depths collapsing is a far cry from it magically reforming itself to accommodate changes in the overworld. When people in these comments tall about the depths changing to reflect the surface, they usually speak of it bringing into existence new walls like we see under the dueling peaks, the the collapsing of a hallway.
While what you outline here is indeed a change to the depths, this seems to have come about due to a partial collapse due to the upheaval, or maybe, intentionally so by the Yiga.
@@JoshuaEisenbart I overreacted a little. The most recent video "blew up" which is good. The flood of comments can be exhausting to deal with. Especially when several of them are basically saying the same thing over and over, and I end up repeating myself over and over as a result.
Sorry for snapping about it, I need to get better at this.
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Omg that character is so spooky, im scared
Umm... which character? *scratches head*
Why wouldn’t there be a wall around the Gerudo desert?
You said yourself it extends to the coast. And every other body of water is reflected by a wall in the depths beneath.
Because, as I show in the video, the physical desert extends well beyond the map in the game. The desert goes all the way out to a coast you can see but never reach, while the wall appears where there is sand.
If that doesn't make sense, please try watching the section again.
Be sure to add spoiler warnings for things like mineru's mech
My introduction right after the intro lists spoilers for the game. I'll make it more apparent going forward though. Sorry about that.
isnt Mekar Island a Dungeon in Zelda I? Maybe it has no counterpart, because it may be added in an dlc?
It was added in the DLC? I don't think it was, I believe it was there in the base game. As for Zelda 1, I heard comparisons to that before, but honestly, it doesn't fit. While it is an island with a tree on it, TotK doesn't even have a cave there, nothing.
@@PixelFusionProductions no i mean, that in Zelda 1, there is an island with a dead tree on it. It's the entrace to one of the first dungeon. I dont think, the location has to be perfect, but it does resemble it for me. It's a place for evil forces
@@RalMakadonia Yeah, others have made comparisons to Level 1 in the original game before. Might be a reference, but nothing more.
Those soldiers have the same armor as the ones from Ocarina of time.
No they aren't. They are wearing the Hyrule Soldier Armor you can find. It even had the helmet hair puff. I showed a comparison in the video, go check the section again.
I like these mysteries
I'm happy you do. Thanks.
The Temple of Time was originally on the surface. That's why.
Originally on the surface... on the Great Plateau. Oh wait, there is already a huge bargainer statue there isn't there? So again I ask, why does this plains statue exist?
@@PixelFusionProductions No I mean the Temple of Time that is in the sky, was on the surface previously. It's where Zelda dragon-ified herself. So it makes sense that the Bargainer statue is still underneath after the temple was put in the sky.
Dude, I know. The Zonai Temple of Time was, at least for a time, on the Great Plateau. You can see this in the Gerudo Assault memory. Once it was risen up into the sky, the Hylians built a new Temple of Time in the same spot. The thing you are missing though is that the Zonai Temple of Time is not physically above it's spot on the Great Platau, it is now situated by the Bottomless Pond to the east.
Because the Temple was physically moved to a new location on the X Y axis after the ancient memories, this means that either A, a new statue moved to the Temple's new location due to the Hylia Statue in it, or B, the Temple of Time along with the Great Sky Islands, were moved to the position of the Plains Bargainer Statue.
In my video, which invite you to rewatch since you seem to have misunderstood what I said, states that the Zonai Temple of Time may have originally been in the air above the Bottomless Pond, for a time, located to the surface during Rauru's reign as king, then returned to its original location in the air after Zelda changed into a dragon.
@@PixelFusionProductionsdoes it say ingame that the temple of time was at the great plateau and moved places?
@@way2dawn853 If you look at memory 4 or 5, The Gerudo Assault, you can clearly see it on the great plateau. You can also trace it's location in memory 17, as the ancient sages are standing in front of the shrine of resurrection cave. Also screen shot comparisons of where Zelda is standing on the dias at the temple are 1 to 1 the same spot of the new Temple of Time on the modern great plateau.
As for where the rest of the Garden of Time would fit... that is a bit more tricky...
the depths is where ganon trained his army
Possible, but his army seem pretty proficient. Well, as proficient as a Bokoblin can get. The monsters in the depths are covered in gloom and don't need to sleep or rest; it seems more that their purpose in the depths is for something other than training.
@@PixelFusionProductions very true your a smart man shalom
mekar island is cursed been a mystery since botw
Yeah, I talk about it's history here. Was hoping for stall monsters under it, like maybe a bone colleseum.
@@PixelFusionProductions that'll be badass
imagine if the developers added a stal lynel and put it in the coliseum
@@swiftstriker02 Stal Lynal is so 3 years ago wishlist. I want a Stal Gleeok.
Why does his voice sound so robotic
You should see me dance. Domo arigato.
It seems that the ascend columns aren't actually having you ascend through the actual depths all the way to the surface and you need a special object to ascend to the surface surface
They absolutely are though! For example, under the dueling peaks, there is one that will take you all the way to the top of them. There are other spots in the depths as well where you can ascend through the ceiling to the overworld. The clear implication is that Link is swimming through solid matter until he surfaces above.
The Zonai arm, or rather the device on it, is what is allowing for this ability. That doesn't change the fundamentals of what Link is doing.
@@PixelFusionProductions Using the one under the akkala ancient lab will never result in you ending up on the small circle in the middle
@@robuxyyyyyyyyyy4708 I'll investigate that later. However, how does this relate to being unable to ascend through the Hyrule Castle Pillar?
@@PixelFusionProductions I think it means the game can't actually ascend you up to the surface
Did you know that the gloom hands are actually floor masters
They are called "Gloom Spawn" in the game by the guard in front of Hyrule Castle, but yes, they have a very clear visual similarity to the Floor Masters in Wind Waker. I call them Gloom Hands because it fits.
@@PixelFusionProductions that is true but someone on UA-cam called them floor masters and my mind was blown it made so much sense
@@Even_littlerB It's where my mind went to first as well. I was lucky, I first encountered them in lockup on the other side of some bars, so I just stood there watching them with horrific curiousity.
zelda and link had there first child down there... and became ganon,,,,,,
This... doesn't make sense. Are you trying to imply a connection to Skyward Sword? Why would their child be a Gerudo? If you want to have a conversation, please flush your theory out more.
@@PixelFusionProductions so hear me out Zelda had a thing for dark men and slept with Gannon next thing u know a gibdo was formed link being mad fused it to his master sword
@@MULTIPLANGODwtf are you even talking about?
@@AmnieKa a and b convo brother see ur slef out