THIS Driver Is In A DIFFERENT LEAGUE! (Stealth Plus vs Rogue ST LS Driver Comparison)
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- I put the Callaway Rogue ST Max LS and the TaylorMade Stealth Plus head-to-head to see what the best golf driver in the world is for my game. I talk through the price, looks and performance of the Callaway and the TaylorMade along with a last-minute addition... a mystery driver.
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I tried the stealth today and honestly, nothing special seems to hit the same as current and the rogue max was really noticeably better, I enjoyed it and will probably buy one
I've been a huge supporter of Callaway since 2016 GBB and haven't changed my mind since. Even though I've tried all the others (TaylorMade, Cobra, Ping, Srixon, Hogan....etc), I bought the Mavrick because of it's accuracy over the others, but the key to all of them is get the tour versions of whatever driver you like, because they are much lower spinning and have the most consistancy. You don't have to buy the brand new versions of any driver, just wait a year or two and get the previous versions for half the price. FYI - the shaft is a huge benefit, therefore get the shaft that best benefits your swing speeds.
Yay, Callaway! I was assuming you'd go with the Stealth. Ever since the jailbreak tech was introduced, I just love Callaway drivers ❤
I have a driver fitting coming up so will definitely check that out thanks. Hit a few today. Stealth not good for me because I cannot get over how inside the sweet spot looks to me. TMs look so odd to me while I’m standing over them for some reason.
I went for a club fitting today on drivers. They had me try the Rogue ST (Max, D and LS), Stealth, Cobra and G425. It was the first fitting I’ve ever been too and it was really interesting and helpful. I ended up with a Rogue ST Max and a 60g shaft. It was the best a driver has ever felt to hit. If it hadn’t been for your videos, then I wouldn’t have gone for a fitting, as I thought I’d have been wasting their time. Thank you, I can’t wait to hit it on the course
I had a feeling that it was going to be the Triple Diamond as the 3rd driver, but I also felt it could've been the Cobra LTDX LS, but I use the Callaway Rogue ST Max LS and I love it so much. Yeah it doesn't go as far, but it keeps my spin down and goes extremely straight
I have so much time for this comparison Pete! That was so well done, I really learnt something and it also made me want a new big stick
i was fit into a stealth plus and to me it is really forgiving, getting fit was the difference, both super nice drivers, good luck this year in your quest.
Stealth plus added 4mph ball speed for me over my sim2... it looks great behind the ball and I love the feel of it. The Rogue looked closed at address for me great if you struggle with the ball leaking right but only good for hitting round corners for me. I suppose the forgiveness you need is different for different players, techniques and tendencies
Had my first ever driver fitting this year and came away with a similar outcome .. The Rogue was way more consistent and gave me more confidence, the Stealth looked great but I was all over the place with it.
exactly the same with me. (12hc) I think if you are scratch then stealth works if you are double figures then I think you'll struggle with consistency with the Stealth
just got fitted today. hit the rogue the stealth ping g425 and the Rogue was easily the best fit for me. had no idea they were so expensive but first new club i have ever bought, replacing a Nike SUMO 2
my fitter didn't even get me to try the stealth it was between the G425 and Rogue, numbers showed I had more consistent and more normalised spin with the rogue so went with that instead and couldn't be happier
I have this problem with all TaylorMade vs Callaway.. TM all over the place, Callaway straight and fairly long
I use a Rogue ST Max D and its so good. 12 degrees of loft gives the ball plenty of time to actually draw like its supposed to. I replaced my R1 with it and i have no regrets.
I just had a driver fitting 2 weeks ago and you are correct. The Ping G425 and Rogue ST Max are very forgiving. I hated the Stealth! But after fine tuning the 2 drivers, my numbers were about identical. I chose the Callaway after having a 5 shot comp. It was a little better after hitting 100 drives. Lol
Great stuff Pete no surprise you went with the Callaway. I went for a fitting and tested the Stealth, Callaway, Cobra and Ping. I went in thinking I would walk away after ordering a Stealth but for me the Cobra LTX performed the best. The Stealth did not impress me, I was so surprised.
Good choice, I got mine in the bag on Feb 20th because of the reasons you just said, its a little more forgiving at the higher speeds and stays more true to path.
“Steal Heads, that’s how old I am!”
Made me lol 😂. I’ve still got my persimmon driver in the shed and have a round with it once every blue moon! Would love to see you play a round with persimmon woods!
Great video ! I'm definitely trying the callaways in my spring fitting!
Cobra LTD X LS for me! I just got a new driver after not playing for a few years and the Cobra just edged out the Rogue ST LS Triple Diamond for me. My swing speed averages around 105-110mph, which is on the edge of stiff to extra-staff in shaft flex, but I eventually went for the Cobra LTD X LS with an Aldila Rogue Silver 110 M.S.I stiff shaft. My handicap range is 0-4 across previous seasons, but I am getting older, so gaining swing speed is getting harder! All these new drivers are so close to each other, a lot of time it's now coming down to feel and looks.
Man I have always dreamed of hitting a ball that far with that consistency. Alas I'm a high handicapper that won't see that. Would be happy to get a G425 but will stick with my M-1. Nice stuff Pete. Thanks
I literally tried the triple diamond earlier today, set to 9 degree for me and I stuck my current X-stiff shaft in. Good god it feels amazing. One thing I was amazed at, I currently have the B21 (set to fade bias) and tried the same with the triple diamond. I could physically see the new one going a good 10 yards further down the range. So I'm really tempted by it
B21 is a great driver
Good choice Pete. I've hurt my back so had to delay my custom fit session planned for Sunday so the agonising wait to see which 2022 Driver is going in my bag continues.
I did a driver fitting just yesterday (June 13th, 2022) and also walked away with the Callaway Rogue. I was hoping to like the Stealth better as all my irons are Sim Max2 Taylors, but, Callaway was just much more forgiving and consistent giving me much more confidence.
My new Rogue Max D has out-performed my SIM II Max, it has been quite remarkable. I have now gone all Callaway from TM am very happy with the results.
I tried the Stealth didn't like it more than my Sim max 2. I thought it was ok. But the Rogue driver was way better than the Stealth If I was to buy a driver this year the Rogue would be it.
I had my first ever fitting and the Rogue was a clear winner. Just a pity that they say Callaway are saying they’ll deliver mid-April …. 5 weeks after I ordered it ☹️
I'm super excited about this choice, mainly because despite the low key launch all the reviews of it have been really positive. Suggesting that despite the marketing the Rogue is the better driver. I think the "Lighter" carbon face is actually affecting its forgiveness.
The launch was low key? Reviews were positive so it means it's better? I know Callaway didn't go full scale in your face like TM but they have been everywhere too, spending a lot on this Rogue launch. I'll be honest, it isn't any better than any of their last 4-5 drivers now imo. They have all been very, very, very similar.
Wow quite a plot twist! Looking forward to watching you wallop that thing this year. Good luck!
Because of this i tried both, i did not like the feel of the stealth at all (and i was going to buy it without even hitting it lol). I never liked Callaway, for no reason at all, but the feel of the Rogue was freaking amazing. i was shocked. Thanks for the recommendation. Ill be getting fit for the rogue soon :). Great video man.
I'd love to see you find a way to look at the strokes gained with these clubs ☺️ It's impossible to say definitively whether length or accuracy is better but we have a good way of measuring a compromise so I'd love to see you use it ☺️ Keep up the great work Pete!
Going heavy with the stats this year for sure
Great Video as always. Was not expecting that, but come to think of it, makes complete sense. While your pals are teetering in the rough, you are sat 300yds up in the fairway (subject to your swing on the day of course).
I’m surprised you didn’t give the cobra a go… I found the TD over time launches really low on miss hits but stealth plus and LTDX LS were better for me
I still think the Max LS will end up in your bag regardless
Brilliant video review, I am seriously considering swapping out my G425 max for the max triple diamond LS, just bought the rogue st pro irons - 4 to pw keep em coming pete !!
Great choice! Hype isn't always a good thing as a lot of other players are finding out. Good luck on your tourney.
Surprised by the result! Thought you’d go stealth all day long! Interested to see how the diamond goes on course!
The Rogue St and cobra are by far the best of this year I think. Hit them all in the shop and they're so good
In my case the stealth is the first driver I have loved since my m2 and I have tried and had many. Great distance, sound, feel and tight dispersion and lowest drop off of all the ones I tried. So contrary to your and others findings I went for the stealth. The choice of shaft (not the ventus red) and adjustments to the driver - length and settings- tipped it over the edge for me.
I just got fiitted into a Rogue Triple Diamond Head with a Diamana shaft. I was surprised that the triple diamond was still pretty forgiving and I liked the shape better than the Max version. I can't wait to get it on the course. Love the videos. Keep them coming.
I have the diamana pd 60x in the triple diamond head and it’s the best driver I’ve ever had.
I just got my triple diamond LS. I too have never seen more consistent numbers and ball flights before!!
I tried both, came home with the Rogue. really struggled to do anything with the Stealth. BTW steel head you are not old. I started with wooden heads and remember steel heads coming out.
I have an appt setup Sunday for a driver fitting, I can’t wait I’ll be going with the callaway or the cobra. Can’t wait to retire my 21 year old callaway hawk eye.
I've had a full bag of Callaway products for the past 15 years, ( except for my putter which I changed to a Scotty this year), and while I know I'm not consistent enough to play the triple diamond head regularly, I have to admit it is one sexy piece of gear.
It's ultimately going to be different for everyone depending on your delivery patterns on what driver fits best..... I tried them all this year, cobra ltd x, rogue St max ( found this very heavy in the head), stealth and stealth plus. My SS is 95-98mph and I tend to deliver high on dynamic loft so forward weighted drivers keep that down and work better for me.... They all sound and look great and there was hardly any difference until I got to the stealth plus as this was signicantly longer then the others across all shots. Never liked the sound/feel of recent taylormade drivers until this which is so much improved. Brilliant driver all round and I found it forgiving too, the negative it looks a little plasticy to my eye but on performance and feel/sound it went straight into my bag..... Best sounding driver is still the Tsi3 which also packs a serious punch
I put off buying for a month because I felt I was choosing the Stealth just because it was the "new big thing". So glad I did. Since then reports have begun to come out about the Stealth being inconsistent i.e. occasional "rouge" (pun intended!) strikes. I went back to my fitter last week and we ran through the best shaft combinations on the Stealth Plus and the Rogue LS Max. When we combined the data from the two fittings Rogue was a clear winner. His view is that the current Stealth will be upgraded relatively soon and he's advising clients who want to stick with Taylor Made to wait. Meanwhile my Rogue will arrive next week!!
love this series, great insight
I bought a Callaway Rogue Max and really tried to like it. The toe of the club looked too high, and I kept yanking it left. So I finally traded it for the Ping G425 Max. Very happy I did.
I got fit for a new driver a few months ago and though the max LS was a strong contender the stealth+ gave me better numbers. Either way both are very good and taylormade and Callaway are going to have a really good year.
Pete! Welcome to "Callaway rouge ST LS Triple diamond" family. lol. Callaway has to work on naming but from my testing very similar results. At the end of the day, for me, the Triple diamond is a fairway finder and I gave up 4 yard vs the stealth which at times its all over the place.
Just added the 💎💎💎LS too. Great choice. Nothing short of exquisite.
I, too, just put a Triple Diamond in the bag. It's a monster. Love it!
Dude. Spoilers. Fuck!
Will not watch video now thanks to you 😂
Lol I thought it was quite obvious 😂. I got one, too. I’m a 23hcp and I went from 238yd avg to 274yd avg with accuracy. Now, I’m a 23 hcp so you know I hooked some but everything stayed in play.
Peter,
Good luck with your workout (latest video) I know you will improve! So I just put a triple diamond in my bag. I'm nervous. I'm 58 years old with 110 club head speed. But it seriously tested the best in my fitting. It is a serious monster when you hit it square.
Comment length is everything.Personally don’t think length is the most important to the average golfer 10 yards doesn’t make much difference but a close dispersion pattern is what we want
Ye that's why we buy new drivers every year for dispersion, probably should but you know that's not why we buy them 🤥🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. SMASH little white ball SMASH
OMG 😱💎💎💎 what a way to complete the set go Finchy! The Quest for the open must go on.
Great videos!
How long is your driver shaft?
What club speed do you have on course?
As inconsequential as it really is, I love when the clubs you pick are the clubs in my bag. I am using the same driver! Good choice!
ive been excited for this since Pete said it was coming Thursday!
I had a driver fitting for the first time and I was very surprised to be walking away with the Cobra LTDX LS model. As someone who's watched a lot of reviews on all these drivers and a 15 handicapper, I was convinced I would struggle with the Cobra LS model. After trying it though, It just blew the others away in terms of distance, dispersion and consistency. I urge everyone to get fitted because you'd be surprised as to what works for you.
Totally. Low spin heads can work really well for some higher handicappers, especially when there's a steeper aoa.
Love the video again Peter really help full form top to bottom I live north east of England (Middlesbrough) do you know where’s best to get fitted up here for clubs thanks
100% agree with the "different drivers require different specs" ... head weights, loft measurements, etc could all be different.
Niiicee!!! Will be playing the same driver this season 👍🏻💪🏻
I was fitted for stealth, love it. Last shot went 4 mile!!!!
I tried the callaway, cobra and the tm.
The cobra was no difference really
The stealth felt bad and sounded bad.
Loved the feel and sound of the callaway but the difference between the old rogue that I am using and the new rogue was so small there is no reason to buy a new one
Wow. Can't believe your moving off TaylorMade. I play the 💎💎💎 also. Testing the Cobra now. Both amazing 🔥
FINALLYYYYYYY!! My alarm reminded me 😂 Jesus you’re CREAMING it Pete… over 300 AVERAGE carry…
Wow. How does it feel moving away from Taylormade? Congrats on the new driver. I have a Frankenstein of clubs mashed up in my bag that are old but if I ever run into money I want to do a proper fitting and be super picky to elevate my game more. Quick question, if I play well with older clubs say 15+ old also with crazy gaps between my clubs is that a good thing? For when I eventually do update with the latest and greatest for my game, is it going to get better? Or will I need to swing differently with the new clubs and take some lessons then?
I just bought the Callaway Rogue ST Max D, my 1st driver purchase in probably close to 18 years. My ball flight with a driver is a high slice. But within 5 shots, I'm hitting a draw or more towards the centre or left of centre.
Damn! Technology at work lol
Nice review Peter. Thank you.
Excited about the triple. The double black diamond a while back was hot
I thought the mystery driver might have been Parker from Thunderbirds but alas no.
Good vlog Peter with the Stealth beating the MAX LS as I expected. Hope to see you tee up at The Open in St Andrews with the Triple Diamond whatsitsname.
Cheers
Nice choice. I went with the Max LS. It seems like the loft sleeve of the Max LS didn’t let you de-loft it enough to get the spin where you want it.
Get the tour red cog or out a left handed cog and it will allow you to de-loft the club. Quick google search will help you out. Cheers!
Loved the video Pete!
Congrats! The Triple Diamond has been my favorite this year (with the Cobra LTDx LS). Just for fun, this is Jon Rahm's specs for this driver: Callaway Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS (10.5 degrees @11.2) (10GF, 4GB)
Shaft: Aldila Tour Green 75 TX (45.25 inches, tipped 1 inch, D4)
11.2 seems ridiculously high for a guy as fast as him
False. Depends on launch conditions.
@@jakeybball He has always played a higher loft (at least 10.5) I think because of his bowed wrist. Also, his GF is pretty high. Seems to be working well for him. I saw an interview with Johnny Wunder from Callaway and after setup they asked Rahm to hit the driver for consistency over 15 shots and he was less than 100rpm in spin spread, and 1mph. Talk about consistency!
I see your using the sugar ball, I really like that ball been using it for a few years now and really like the feel probably won't be switching back to proV anytime soon
Hey Pete, love the content. BTW what color are the diamonds on the bottom of that driver? Hint: it's not for skiing.
I'm glad you went with the triple diamond. In my testing the triple diamond smoked every build of the stealth plus I could make. However, the Cobra LTDx smoked every other driver I've tested this year. I matched my best ball speed from my F9 with the LTDx, a number I haven't gotten close with any other driver. 179 ball speed is the fastest I've recorded on trackman, the fastest I got stealth plus was 172, triple diamond I got to 176, and the LTDx I got to match the 179. Have not tested the LTDx LS yet though.. Could it finally replace my F9?
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Me too. Almost left my stealth on the course. Love my ltdx ls
That's tour pro ball speeds. Theres a stealth video where Rory powers a 186mph but all the other Taylor made guys are only in the high 170s
@@peterflannigan4055 my play speed is about a 117 clubhead speed with about a 172 ball speed with my cobra F9, if I step on it, I can get club head up to 122, and at that speed is where I achieved those ball speed numbers.
The scary thing about my tests of the LTDX was that I could barely swing it one day and was still 175 average it’s just SO forgiving
Im curious, what adjustments do you do with the head to get the swing weight right with that monster heavy grip?
They actually aren’t heavy
Love to have that Taylor made drive seeing how your taking it out of the bag.
It’s funny how so many have said the triple diamond driver is made for only a very small percentage of golfers. Perhaps it is, but I still plan to try it when comparing drivers in my fitting. Who knows, I may find my M2 is still the best for me.
Refreshing to see someone go with the driver they hit the best unlike certain other you tubers that went with the flashy marketing
Cobra last 2 have out beaten the 2 and ping as well. The RAD was when I finally switched over from TaylorMade
Mystery Driver the 3x 💎 I’ll keep watching! 😉
Wow a decision, well done!
Did I see a Sugar golf ball in this video, Pete?! What do you think of the ball? Really, really curious! I've heard a lot of good things about it, but some people say it spins a bit too much with longer clubs and kills distance?! Have you done much testing with it? Great video as always! By the way, I'm very curious to see if the carbon fiber face of the Stealth holds up in the rest of time! Titanium surely has more strength and longevity?
Go with Matt Fryer's Cleveland Launcher XL. Also get rid of that rubber tee you're losing distance / ball speed.
WOW! That was a twist!
I didn’t see you try the Muzuno drivers Pete, I like the callaway and cobra drivers I keep hearing the strath drivers are really forgiving that why I was wondering about muzuno 220 st drivers
I have stealth plus with an upgraded xstiff shaft and im still struggling to hit it, went today was left and right, now don't get me wrong I had some bomb hits that felt off the toe and its forgiving but I had an m2 and hit well with it for some reason I struggle more hitting the stealth and considering selling the head for something else
Callaway is winning UA-cam IMO. (But having watched your content for a while now, you’ll have something different in the bag by June 😃)
Wow another drop off from the Stealth! I’m shocked but admire your honest take while probably struggling with a little bias in favor of TM
Tried the stealth to see what it was like,just didn't like the feel,went for the rogue at max,just love it,about 30yards longer with it
Great video Pete. Why no LTDx ?
All the new brand models have 3 things in common. The Carbon, ridgeback, and the weights. Which is why I got the Tour Edge Exotics c722 with the same technology for the fraction of the price
Forget the reviews.. what I do like is the close up of your swing. Just how things should work. And even I the worse golfer in the history of the game can improve by trying to match those movements.
If you got refitted for a set you were playing 5 years ago to your game now with shafts and degrees do you think would be much difference?
WOW the Great Mr. Finch is going away from Taylormade this season. Great choice and the Triple Diamond looks brilliant all murdered out.
Honestly I’m kinda bummed that I haven’t seen you hit the new Mizuno woods. They seem pretty good!
Say Pete... in one of the recent videos you mention the Bryson grips sit in your palm... isn't that usually a grip destroyer?
Another great Tom hardy golf review
I never got along with the Sim2, It just didn't feel right, it was either a high right floater or a low pull. I was just fitted for the Rouge LS 10.5 with the Stock Tensei white 65 shaft. Much better dispersion, launch, spin, and carry
Oh no, I just picked up a Stealth Plus this week! Should I return it and get the Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS to help keep you influencer score high Pete?
I hit my driver so badly yesterday I might as well been using the old school big Bertha!
I’ve got the Stealth Plus with the Hulk shaft. It’s probably the best head/shaft combo I’ve ever used. Extremely stable, forgiving and long.
That’s a class combo to be fair 😍