It really is though. I said it was a mistake to emulate Zelda especially before it came out and people got mad. They said “Nintendo won’t do anything.” And I was like “yeah…uh huh….give it a year…”
@@Sightless-vz2whnintendo got it wrong thou because it was umplayable on yuzu and even when it did get playable you needed mods to run it. it was ryujinx that allowed you to play before release so they got the wrong company unless of course they targeted them for some other reason besides what they put Which is Probably the case
@@kirby21-xz4rx That may be true but I do feel like just the whole situation really angered Nintendos legal team. And they have not targeted other emulators “yet” but we will see what happens. People said something similar when I said “Nintendo is about to get people with their legal teams”. They said last year “oh Nintendo can’t do anything they’re not gonna do anything”. So I’m not trying to say they’re going to go after other emulators or not. I hope they don’t do that but….we don’t actually know until it happens. I wish Nintendo would actually kind of embrace having their games especially their older games on PCs with modern support like people would gladly pay for certain games especially popular games with modern support. I know they want their games to be accessible but now that I have a gaming PC I just wish they could actually be like “hey we can allow people to play our older games like Ocarina of Time or Smash Bros Melee etc. I almost want to write a letter to Nintendo explaining why it would be amazing for them to do something like this but I am not sure it would do any good at all…. I also feel like if people didn’t emulate the latest Zelda and post it on social media maybe Yuzu would still be around. I just think it’s possible we could’ve avoided all of this.
They lawyered up, and the statement is from the lawyer that doing their job to ensure Yuzu team is safe. And Yuzu ain't squeaky clean, from having paid early access to emulator in still supported hardware, to release update for game compability on a game that haven't been officially released yet, to having pirated rom database that shared among dev and Patreon, to attempt to create a paid knock off Nintendo online... And all of this is perfectly recorded on their Convo on their discord channel. The lawyer simply said, going forward with the lawsuit means Nintendo discover all of these and things will turn from bad to very worse. And they settle. Flying to close to the sun. Thank God ryujinx is not that stupid or greedy
Yup. Not talking about the lawsuit or who is right. Part of the settlement is they have to release a statement (most likely written by Nintendos lawyers)
Honestly the thing I find funny about his denials is that Nintendo is the most retro game manufacturer atm... So as a retro gamer ofc it comes up he is a Nintendo 'tuber, because they are the bread and butter unless he goes PC only or actually sticks strictly to the oldest Sony consoles, the only real modern options on new systems are locked behind services and poorly announced to keep up his workflow.
Bs they’re “against piracy”, I was in that discord, and whenever somebody asked for tips to moderation about how to rip games from cartridges, they were just reply with a pirate image
@@504Trey i doubt its really them. Either way idk which one your talking about. Once yuzu got taken down a bunch of clones started popping up all of a sudden
@@504Trey their apology said the took down their codebase. Sounds like it was open source and anyone who had a copy before they shut it down could have forked it and continued distributing.
Yeah but if a judge made a ruling in this then anything yuzu has to say was confirmed by all parties not just one or two of them. This was not a forced lie of a statement it was a statement to show you that there are laws in place and picking and choosing laws is not okay even if your first intentions were not bad. Yes it's wrong they ended the emulator for good and yes it should not be blamed for what wrong doing others have done with it, but being a part of stealing money (which they did profit some) means they can be accountable for all the lost money because they made a profit on nintendos loss. Yuzu is the one to blame itself because they were the ones doing illegal activities with their own product and because they own it they have to shut it down. Other people using their product doesn't really matter but if you use your own product for bad they're going to find out
it's a false propaganda. Nintendo is japanese. Japanese guy can't go home to an american to demand money. More over where [what country] web site was registered? What yuzu, citra team members countries were too? everything wrong comes with USA armed men, politicians, lawyers, court. There are no good defenders. They lied on every thing and continue doing so. They use any mean and spread them all over a planet to decrease humanity population. And increase money in their own pockets. By selfishness, non-binaries and so on [and as a conscience jewish forbidden magic exists which no one should confuse with judaism]
Yuzu lawyer: Nintendo will make it cost you tens of millions for you to fight this in court. Even if you're likely to win, are you ready to pay that much to probably win?
@@ChepakishuiYou dont have to fold over. if, IF, they believed they had a case, they could have at least tried a motion to dismiss they have enough money at least for that. Also, when it comes to "tort" lookalike / anti-consumer lawsuit, there are 2-3 non profits that will likely take on the case cause winning will set a nice precedent and expand the rights of end user
@@mitchman-bm6kjThey DON’T distribute roms. You use the actual copy of game you own to use Yuzu. The emulators main use was to play switch games YOU own on pc. Idk why he said they distributed roms. They only distributed the emulator. It was up to the user to use it in a honest way.
My personal understanding is that Yuzu did not include (or *publically* develop) any patches/fixes for TOTK until after official release, where they then put into their early access version which was locked behind the patreon. Before the official launch date, no unmodified version of Yuzu could play TOTK, and using Yuzu to run the game required manually installing community-created patches. Additionally, there was nothing wrong with their patreon - my only guess was that the size of the patreon is what got Nintendo's attention (legally speaking). Why Yuzu would settle so quickly is where I get into conspiracy territory, but my guess was that it was a mix of factors ranging from "We don't want to risk setting a disastrous precedent for all emulators if we lose" to "This just isn't worth our time", but my main suspicion, is that the development of Yuzu itself involved some legitimately shady or outright illegal stuff, and Nintendo had hard evidence to support that, that would've come out should the case had gone to trial, and so rather than risk total and utter reputational destruction along with potential criminal charges, they settled. There were a few instances of developers making public statement regarding how/where to obtain pirated copies, etc, so I wouldn't be that surprised if it turned out Nintendo had some more comprehensive examples. Additionally, Yuzu is owned by Tropic Haze LLC - the LLC standing for Limited Liability Corporation, meaning (typically) the owners cannot be held personally responsible for business debts and liabilities, meaning the $2.4M fine should just go away if they file for bankruptcy, which is another reason why I think they settled. The biggest loss of this whole case is the developers themselves, because really, Yuzu was the best switch emulator on the market, and the lawsuit settlement states that any person, group, entity, contractor, etc. that ever received monetary compensation by Tropic Haze LLC to work on Yuzu is banned from ever touching anything to do with the source code or project. This is also why Citra got caught in the crossfire - because they were receiving monetary support from Yuzu/Tropic Haze LLC in a mutually beneficial aggreement.
@rj_4mp100 TLDR: Yuzu settled so quickly because the $2.4m fine could be easily waived by filing for bankruptcy, and because the devs were potentially doing illegal stuff which could aggravate their punishment/fine had Nintendo found out earlier.
If Yuzu allowed this to be settled in court, a new precedent would have been created. It could have been used against all other emulators. By settling out of court this possible ruling is avoided.
That makes sense, maybe the Switch 2 was going to release this year but since the architecture is so similar it got delayed until next year especially since that Migg switch or whatever flash cart got released so maybe they needed more time to work on more encryption measures.
Cause EggNS skyline all definitely would've got shut down but what I don't understand is that if YUZU was collecting money from people giving the emulator support why not do the same to EggNS because you need to pay them like 1.99 And up just to use the emulator itself smh make it make sense
Like it was stated doesn't matter if you have a case anymore in this day and age because all of your time and money can't compete with the backing of big corporations. Personally it feels like we're getting closer to an oligopoly and the average Joe doesn't have a leg to stand on in the judicial sense when it boils down to sheer time and money.
@@MrAlexmbat Hoeg Law is the only person that wasn't pandering to gamer sensibilities and gave the truth. He's great because he does it in a way that doesn't offend anyone, which is hard to do nowadays. edit: sorry not Hoeg Law, I meant Moon Channel. I'll check out Hoeg though.
I get emulating a console that is not still in production since it doenst effect the original company any way financially. But emulating a current system with current game releases that i do not agree.
I say this is the most fair take I got so far. Like people keep on cursing at Nintendo but denies the fact the Yuzu also did some stupid stuff on their end that lead to this.
Honestly, you're my favorite source of non bias videogame info. You're still a NintenTuber, but you're not the typical youtube entity. Keep up the great work and thank you.
So ? GTA always was Multiracial & Multicultural already and i never played those games for Nudity & Sex anyways cause its so Weak and Unnatural.. if u want some Decent scenes try Witcher and Cyberpunk but even those games are Censored.. I never understood why people get so upset with the human body while going on Killingspree anyways.
Another possibility related to the Switch 2 and why Big N may do this now is what if the Switch 2 is NOT backwards compatible and they plan on re-releasing current switch games remastered or reworked for Switch 2. Probably less sales of those reissued games if you can just pirate them or play them on PC.
Its called 1$ Clickbait Hoe to be so Controversial that everyone has something to Click on and then some news comes along to give a new Spin again for more Clicks.. whether its Piracy or youtubers like RGT they feed on someone else
"piracy can happen on emulation". No it's the main thing that happens. The original court case from 30 years ago was you can make/use an emulator to play your own games you own physically or digitally. 90% of emulation is piracy.
Best thing I've done is go back to retro gamining as digital sucks aswell s new games are crap, playing lord of the rings lego on my 3ds at the moment.
The Yuzu developers are completely aware that people commit this. Why? Because there are many people caught for doing it on their discord server. They set up a bot to detect it for a reason. So their statements seems like they're suddenly surprised this is happening. If Nintendo had not issued a lawsuit, they would've continued as they always had been. Granted, as most people pointed out, their statements sounds like something Nintendo would say and not the devs themselves.
I think Yuzu's comments helped them keep a lot more of the money they made from this. If they were willing to pay 2.2 so quickly, they must have made a lot more
Very interesting thing is that most repackers that do upload switch games bundle it together with yuzu emulator for ease of use already configured. Could be that this could also cause some issues and be seeable as oh, yuzu together with game and piracy.
Yeah, if the next Switch 2's architecture is drastically similar to the Switch's architecture then I can easily see something like what happened with Dolphin happening with Ryujinx and Stratos. For those who don't realise, Dolphin released in 2003 and for the same reason as above, it runs GameCube and Wii.
Yuzu can blame the pirates all they want, but that was the majority of their community - whether they support it or not. Of course, officially they never supported piracy. But just look at the majority of their users - pirates.
I know the repos have been cloned by various reddit users. So sooner or later a rebranded version of those emulators will appear. I'm voting for the names "Strawberry3DS" and "Yuzette".
The situation with Yuzu basically they were profiting from these downloads that is the biggest bowl of contention for Nintendo if they were not caught taking money behind their Patreon then Nintendo probably couldn’t be able to do anything legally But Yuzu shut themselves in the foot by doing that.
9:55 Downloading a Game you own is still Illegal since it is a copy of a Game you do not own. It is the Copy of someone else Game. Each Game is unique. You have to Rip your own Game
Indeed and that's why 99% of Emulation is Illegal.. if people want to have fun go ahead and Buy and have fun with the Original hardware and software or buy the software and make a Legal copy to play on other hardware but they don't want that they just want to be a Freeloaders.. that 1% are Enthusiasts who care enough to learn the Craft that's needed make Legal copies and that 99% is Ruining it for that 1%.
yeah but this is the vision of the law, we can't accept everything the law says, because the law already said many things to be true that was evil, lets not start with Slavery, and many other evil stuff stuff, lets not even touch the horrilble things law allowed, so the LAW is not a good definition of whats right and whats wrong here, honestly lets be real honest here, what really change from you copy of the game to mine? the files are the same maybe it change the serial key? yeah? who cares? the stages are the same everything else is the same, if you go to my pc downlaod a game on steam and compare all the files to you game all of then would be the same. so i don't agree with the law on this instance, if you paid for the game you already paid for it, theres nothing wrong to download it if you want, and then theres the preservation part, many games stop being produced, some games are not officially sold anymore, the older it gets the harder and harder it gets to find to the point it gets to be impossible, so in this case games that are not officialy sold anymore you should have the legal right to download it for preservation purposes, we need preserve art, we need to be able to preserve books, music everything. sure the law says is illegal to download a game you already paid for, but the question is is the law right in this case? is it trully any difference from my game to yours other than the serial key? im playing the game to see the serial key btw? or i want play the stages? will the stages change? i don't think so. so no i don't belive law is right here. yeah its illegal, but its a law that don't make sense to be honest atleast not for games that are not officialy sold anymore, i can accept this law for games that are still being sold because you can find then and get then, but games that are not sold anymore? nah, we need the right to preserve then. i use emulation my self, but if you see my profile on steam, you will see i buy most of my games even on microsoft store, i don't emulate switch games, because the console is still alive i don't think its right to do that, to be honest in my personal opnion emulators should be for consoles that don't are active anymore, a switch is still a active console so i don't agree at all for having emulators for it, i use emulators to play SNES/64/gamecube/wii why? because i love mario/donkey kong franchises, i already had the games as a kid i had super mario as a kid, i had dk as a kid, i no see a issue at emulating then. i already paid for the games im emulating for, and if the game is not sold anymore i think u should have the right to download anyway even tho im not really intersted in much other games. my ps2 stopped working around in 2015, i used to play a few games like ssx3, god of war and a few others, i still have the Dvd but my compuer don't have a dvd player whats the problem in downloading the games if i paid for then?. anyway thats just my opnion on this case.
@@PHARAOH-ZODIAC they dont know everything :P it is totally in your right to rip your own stuff. Otherwise mp3 players would not have been allowed back when they where new and legally downloading music was not really a thing. You had to get it from your own CDs. Same thing with games now.
Wrong. UltraHLE was around in 1997. Bleep was around the time of its console marketshare too. Almost no famous emulator surfaces (and works effectively) after the console dies. After the PS3, it's all a different story. But even the DS got emulated well before the 3DS was launched.
I did not understand the statement either, i have been there since early days for years now as a patreon. This was as early as before any games worked. Even i dont recognize this post if there should be any of em.
Jobs protected by product keys being circumvented is cutting the hands off that feed you. Where is the incentive for Nintendo release switch 2 just so it can be hacked 6 months later.
I’ve been thinking another theory after all that is remember Nintendo now own both the 3ds and the switch emulator, they can do what they like with it maybe it’s an useful tool they can use to emulate their games on the next gen switch. It’s not beyond the realms as PlayStation have done this before
Usually im always against Nintendo in situations like this. But this time i can kinda understand where Nintendo is coming from. My question is why do we need emulators for current gen hardware? Emulation is supposed to be for platforms that are no longer easily available.
I love it when emulator developers say that the emulator they created is/was not intended for people to rip off and play games. That's the only reason they make them.
It's always great to see a new video from my favorite King of Emulation UA-camr talking about Nintendo emulation issues. Maybe tomorrow we'll get a story about Xbox? Steam Deck? Whatever it is I bet it won't be about Nintendo!
No, he said because the experience is so much better on a emulator(he didn't say he pirated the games either), as our lord and savior gabe once said, "Piracy is almost always a service problem", if you provide a equal or better experience than piracy brings, there will be a lot more customers and a lot less pirates pirating the game, so many people that pirate nintendo games prefer to buy games on steam rather than pirate them because steam provides a better service than piracy.
@@SamYs94 My bad on the piracy part. But Nintendo is providing a niche for some gamers with the Switch. A handheld/console experience on a budget. People are welcome to buy the Rog or Steamdeck. But be ready to pay almost double and get half the battery life of a Switch.
@@thelastdragon5551that’s the problem most emulators are made by fan groups so you can play older games on pc. However this was not the case not only wore they making a profit it was with current gen system
Yeah. A big company like Nintendo which has operated for over a century is not something you can mess with. You would think they didn't act but when they had enough evidence, they would strike emulators down unexpectedly and heavily.
Yuzu taking money from its user is what made Nintendo target them.
Yes that makes sense
@@Amp1771 it was a choice for the early access version.
And being involved with rom distribution in their discord.
@@seizonshaand continued updates.
@@gimphandjeff that makes way more sense then the current narrative
That sounds like what a mom does when their kid acts up 😂
Mom: "Say you're sorry!"
Kid: *Sobbing* "Im sorry"
It really is though. I said it was a mistake to emulate Zelda especially before it came out and people got mad. They said “Nintendo won’t do anything.” And I was like “yeah…uh huh….give it a year…”
I'm sorry!
OK, Nintendo UA-camr.
@@Sightless-vz2whnintendo got it wrong thou because it was umplayable on yuzu and even when it did get playable you needed mods to run it. it was ryujinx that allowed you to play before release so they got the wrong company unless of course they targeted them for some other reason besides what they put Which is Probably the case
@@kirby21-xz4rx That may be true but I do feel like just the whole situation really angered Nintendos legal team. And they have not targeted other emulators “yet” but we will see what happens.
People said something similar when I said “Nintendo is about to get people with their legal teams”. They said last year “oh Nintendo can’t do anything they’re not gonna do anything”. So I’m not trying to say they’re going to go after other emulators or not. I hope they don’t do that but….we don’t actually know until it happens.
I wish Nintendo would actually kind of embrace having their games especially their older games on PCs with modern support like people would gladly pay for certain games especially popular games with modern support. I know they want their games to be accessible but now that I have a gaming PC I just wish they could actually be like “hey we can allow people to play our older games like Ocarina of Time or Smash Bros Melee etc. I almost want to write a letter to Nintendo explaining why it would be amazing for them to do something like this but I am not sure it would do any good at all….
I also feel like if people didn’t emulate the latest Zelda and post it on social media maybe Yuzu would still be around. I just think it’s possible we could’ve avoided all of this.
Yuzu 100% said their entire response at g*npoint
They were directly profiting from piracy
Nintendo had them dead to rights
Nintendo: READ THE PAPER WE TYPED OUT FOR U MFER! 🔫
Yuzu: Yes sir 😢
They lawyered up, and the statement is from the lawyer that doing their job to ensure Yuzu team is safe.
And Yuzu ain't squeaky clean, from having paid early access to emulator in still supported hardware, to release update for game compability on a game that haven't been officially released yet, to having pirated rom database that shared among dev and Patreon, to attempt to create a paid knock off Nintendo online...
And all of this is perfectly recorded on their Convo on their discord channel.
The lawyer simply said, going forward with the lawsuit means Nintendo discover all of these and things will turn from bad to very worse. And they settle.
Flying to close to the sun. Thank God ryujinx is not that stupid or greedy
100% Nintendo forced them to say it!!
Yup. Not talking about the lawsuit or who is right. Part of the settlement is they have to release a statement (most likely written by Nintendos lawyers)
I love it when the King of Nintendo talks about Nintendo🥰
NGT! NGT! NGT85! 🤗 FOR LIFE 💪😤💯
@@knowledgeseeker4116 damn straight🤟
RGT 85 is also the king of indie games, AA games, and Steamdeck.
So good so good
Honestly the thing I find funny about his denials is that Nintendo is the most retro game manufacturer atm... So as a retro gamer ofc it comes up he is a Nintendo 'tuber, because they are the bread and butter unless he goes PC only or actually sticks strictly to the oldest Sony consoles, the only real modern options on new systems are locked behind services and poorly announced to keep up his workflow.
Non-Patreon members: “Yuzu and it’s team are against piracy “
Patreon members: “Purchase our nightly TotK early build!”
😂
Bs they’re “against piracy”, I was in that discord, and whenever somebody asked for tips to moderation about how to rip games from cartridges, they were just reply with a pirate image
It's one of those "I'm sorry for getting caught" apologies
They starting up a whole new emulator under a different name 😂😂😂
More details please @@504Trey
@@504Trey i doubt its really them. Either way idk which one your talking about. Once yuzu got taken down a bunch of clones started popping up all of a sudden
@@evilmc.nuggets9983 Check out Suyu (sue you)
@@504Trey their apology said the took down their codebase. Sounds like it was open source and anyone who had a copy before they shut it down could have forked it and continued distributing.
This statement from Yuzu was required almost word for word in the agreement if you read Exhibit A
Yeah but if a judge made a ruling in this then anything yuzu has to say was confirmed by all parties not just one or two of them. This was not a forced lie of a statement it was a statement to show you that there are laws in place and picking and choosing laws is not okay even if your first intentions were not bad. Yes it's wrong they ended the emulator for good and yes it should not be blamed for what wrong doing others have done with it, but being a part of stealing money (which they did profit some) means they can be accountable for all the lost money because they made a profit on nintendos loss. Yuzu is the one to blame itself because they were the ones doing illegal activities with their own product and because they own it they have to shut it down. Other people using their product doesn't really matter but if you use your own product for bad they're going to find out
Nintendo: READ THE PAPER WE TYPED OUT FOR U MFER! 🔫
Yuzu: Yes sir 😢
@@504Trey, they agreed to say it. They made their choice.
@@Viviorkogamingyup, they sure did 💯
Nintendo: we sue you
Yuzu: we fight you
Next day Yuzu: Yes, Nintendo, you are my daddy, and I’ve been a bad boy.
Nintendo: READ THE PAPER WE TYPED OUT FOR U MFER! 🔫
Yuzu: Yes sir 😢
it's a false propaganda. Nintendo is japanese. Japanese guy can't go home to an american to demand money. More over where [what country] web site was registered? What yuzu, citra team members countries were too?
everything wrong comes with USA armed men, politicians, lawyers, court. There are no good defenders. They lied on every thing and continue doing so. They use any mean and spread them all over a planet to decrease humanity population. And increase money in their own pockets. By selfishness, non-binaries and so on [and as a conscience jewish forbidden magic exists which no one should confuse with judaism]
Nintendo: We Sue You.
Yuzu: We got legal representation and will answer you back
Yuzu lawyer: just.. just dont
Yuzu: We concede.
Yuzu lawyer: Nintendo will make it cost you tens of millions for you to fight this in court. Even if you're likely to win, are you ready to pay that much to probably win?
@@ChepakishuiYou dont have to fold over.
if, IF, they believed they had a case, they could have at least tried a motion to dismiss they have enough money at least for that.
Also, when it comes to "tort" lookalike / anti-consumer lawsuit, there are 2-3 non profits that will likely take on the case cause winning will set a nice precedent and expand the rights of end user
them saying "we have always been against pirating" is like a bank robber saying they are against crime. this has to be to dumbest statement ever.
You realize it was part of the plea deal they got right, they needed to say
and hypocrisy as they distributed roms too.
@@tryfon_94RGT 85 just sayed that they were distributing some roms. So yes, they were in on the piracy.
you sound dumb
@@mitchman-bm6kjThey DON’T distribute roms. You use the actual copy of game you own to use Yuzu. The emulators main use was to play switch games YOU own on pc. Idk why he said they distributed roms. They only distributed the emulator. It was up to the user to use it in a honest way.
Most likely Yuzu realized they were screwed pretty quick and basically cut their own throat to beg forgiveness so Nintendo doesn't obliterate them.
I can always rely on NGT85 for the latest Nintendo News
NGT85=Nintendo Game Talk 85
@@chudmonkey275NGT85 should start his own Rogan style podcast and bring on the best minds in the Nintendo industry🤟
I'm getting the tattoo of NGT85 to show my respects to the GREATEST Nintendo UA-camr EVER! 💯😤💪🔥.........YEP
You can always rely on him to shill for Nintendo with rumors and half-truths.
@@brandonkruse6412 shut up bunghole, NGT85 doesn't even come close to doing stuff like that🧐
Obviously Nintendo made them say that.
What did we learn?
NEVER ASK FOR MONEY WHEN MAKING EMULATORS!
My personal understanding is that Yuzu did not include (or *publically* develop) any patches/fixes for TOTK until after official release, where they then put into their early access version which was locked behind the patreon. Before the official launch date, no unmodified version of Yuzu could play TOTK, and using Yuzu to run the game required manually installing community-created patches.
Additionally, there was nothing wrong with their patreon - my only guess was that the size of the patreon is what got Nintendo's attention (legally speaking).
Why Yuzu would settle so quickly is where I get into conspiracy territory, but my guess was that it was a mix of factors ranging from "We don't want to risk setting a disastrous precedent for all emulators if we lose" to "This just isn't worth our time", but my main suspicion, is that the development of Yuzu itself involved some legitimately shady or outright illegal stuff, and Nintendo had hard evidence to support that, that would've come out should the case had gone to trial, and so rather than risk total and utter reputational destruction along with potential criminal charges, they settled.
There were a few instances of developers making public statement regarding how/where to obtain pirated copies, etc, so I wouldn't be that surprised if it turned out Nintendo had some more comprehensive examples.
Additionally, Yuzu is owned by Tropic Haze LLC - the LLC standing for Limited Liability Corporation, meaning (typically) the owners cannot be held personally responsible for business debts and liabilities, meaning the $2.4M fine should just go away if they file for bankruptcy, which is another reason why I think they settled.
The biggest loss of this whole case is the developers themselves, because really, Yuzu was the best switch emulator on the market, and the lawsuit settlement states that any person, group, entity, contractor, etc. that ever received monetary compensation by Tropic Haze LLC to work on Yuzu is banned from ever touching anything to do with the source code or project. This is also why Citra got caught in the crossfire - because they were receiving monetary support from Yuzu/Tropic Haze LLC in a mutually beneficial aggreement.
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I ain’t reading all that. But I hope you can recover from the heartbreaking loss of Yuzu from your life.
@rj_4mp100 TLDR: Yuzu settled so quickly because the $2.4m fine could be easily waived by filing for bankruptcy, and because the devs were potentially doing illegal stuff which could aggravate their punishment/fine had Nintendo found out earlier.
I think if Yuzu lost, this could have made software that breaks DVD and Blu ray encryption illegal too.
If Yuzu allowed this to be settled in court, a new precedent would have been created. It could have been used against all other emulators. By settling out of court this possible ruling is avoided.
That makes sense, maybe the Switch 2 was going to release this year but since the architecture is so similar it got delayed until next year especially since that Migg switch or whatever flash cart got released so maybe they needed more time to work on more encryption measures.
I think the only reason why yuzu got killed is legit the patron because im sure nintendo would of sued all other switch emulators aswell.
Cause EggNS skyline all definitely would've got shut down but what I don't understand is that if YUZU was collecting money from people giving the emulator support why not do the same to EggNS because you need to pay them like 1.99 And up just to use the emulator itself smh make it make sense
Ryujinx has a patreon too...
@@xXRealXx as far as I know they aren't idiots sharing ROMs
When he called bullshit on the yuzu response that had me dying laughing 😂
this is why I come here for news from my favorite Nintendo youtuber.
RGT85 just making another Nintendo video. Nothing new for our favorite Nintendo UA-camr.
He's the Angry Emulation Nerd🎵
Angry video game and computer game nerd
Remember when all the UA-cam Lawyers said Nintendo did not have a case?? 🤣🤣
Like it was stated doesn't matter if you have a case anymore in this day and age because all of your time and money can't compete with the backing of big corporations. Personally it feels like we're getting closer to an oligopoly and the average Joe doesn't have a leg to stand on in the judicial sense when it boils down to sheer time and money.
I can tell you that Hoeg Law stated Nintendo had something there, so he's the standout if your statement is true.
@@MrAlexmbat Hoeg Law is the only person that wasn't pandering to gamer sensibilities and gave the truth. He's great because he does it in a way that doesn't offend anyone, which is hard to do nowadays.
edit: sorry not Hoeg Law, I meant Moon Channel. I'll check out Hoeg though.
They probably sent the Nintendo ninjas and gave them an ultimatum
@@onecoolguy123thats not how it rules in court.. if they base on how much money you have, you dont need good lawyer, just anybody will do..
yuzu reading an apology off a teleprompter with Miyamoto pointing a gun at them off screen
I get emulating a console that is not still in production since it doenst effect the original company any way financially. But emulating a current system with current game releases that i do not agree.
Thanks for looking at this from all angles.
3:37
When he says he’s not a Nintendo UA-camr… 😂😂😂
I say this is the most fair take I got so far. Like people keep on cursing at Nintendo but denies the fact the Yuzu also did some stupid stuff on their end that lead to this.
Honestly, you're my favorite source of non bias videogame info. You're still a NintenTuber, but you're not the typical youtube entity. Keep up the great work and thank you.
Nintendo be like: Say that you'll be shutting Yuzu down or I will make you. *pulls out a glock*
Na. They pulled out the duck hunt gun
Another nintendo video from the king of nintendo youtubers.
Sweet baby inc linked to GTA 6!!!
I wasnt going to play GTA 6 anyway lol
So ? GTA always was Multiracial & Multicultural already and i never played those games for Nudity & Sex anyways cause its so Weak and Unnatural.. if u want some Decent scenes try Witcher and Cyberpunk but even those games are Censored.. I never understood why people get so upset with the human body while going on Killingspree anyways.
Another possibility related to the Switch 2 and why Big N may do this now is what if the Switch 2 is NOT backwards compatible and they plan on re-releasing current switch games remastered or reworked for Switch 2.
Probably less sales of those reissued games if you can just pirate them or play them on PC.
“Oh yeah, the guy with the multiple split youtuber personalities”😅
Its called 1$ Clickbait Hoe to be so Controversial that everyone has something to Click on and then some news comes along to give a new Spin again for more Clicks.. whether its Piracy or youtubers like RGT they feed on someone else
Their statement is a prime example of lawyer written if I ever saw one. Saw Hoeg Law who is an actual attorney say the exact same thing on Twitter.
"piracy can happen on emulation". No it's the main thing that happens. The original court case from 30 years ago was you can make/use an emulator to play your own games you own physically or digitally. 90% of emulation is piracy.
But but.. I only play homebrew games, theme my UI and backup my games.
Nintendo handed that statement to Yuza and said make it believable
Video title should be: Nintendo UA-camr REPORTS On Yuzu RESPONSE After Nintendo Switch Emulator Takedown! They BLAME YOU!
Haaaaa! Lol
Video title should be: Nintendo UA-camr once again finds any little thing to make a video out of because he has no life (It's true)
This is why I'm a PC gamer. I can play 30 year old PC games on my current PC. When I have a choice I will buy a game for the PC instead on a console.
Good timing on my end. I got a 3DS coming in today so I’ll be getting everything I can before more gets shut down. Whole situation sucks though
You gotta jail break it to get the eshop stuff
@@murderman8578 that’s what I’m doing tonight :)
Best thing I've done is go back to retro gamining as digital sucks aswell s new games are crap, playing lord of the rings lego on my 3ds at the moment.
3:37 Best BS calling in my history in UA-cam.
The Yuzu developers are completely aware that people commit this. Why? Because there are many people caught for doing it on their discord server. They set up a bot to detect it for a reason. So their statements seems like they're suddenly surprised this is happening. If Nintendo had not issued a lawsuit, they would've continued as they always had been. Granted, as most people pointed out, their statements sounds like something Nintendo would say and not the devs themselves.
Any updates for the mig switch dumper?
Nintendo's lawyers handed that responds letter to those guys and made them read it like a hostage negotiation.
I think Yuzu's comments helped them keep a lot more of the money they made from this. If they were willing to pay 2.2 so quickly, they must have made a lot more
The legendary Nintendo UA-camr is back! 🎮📺 #Nintendo #UA-cam #Gaming
Why have we still not gotten DS/3DS games on the switch? No wonder this is prevalent.
The whole dual-screen thing maybe?
@@legoboy7107 the switch screen is big enough to where they could make it work if they split it. It’s touch screen so why not?
I bet they sent their ninjas, stalked them and gave them an ultimatum afterwards
Screaming *“Emulation is Preservation”* while pirating games a week it even releases…
Pc game beggars will be angry
@@QuantumChrist that’s is computer elitist actually
Very interesting thing is that most repackers that do upload switch games bundle it together with yuzu emulator for ease of use already configured. Could be that this could also cause some issues and be seeable as oh, yuzu together with game and piracy.
They were forced to say that.
Nintendo’s law firm, provided that statement to Tropic Haze’ law firm. This statement was required in the settlement.
Yeah, if the next Switch 2's architecture is drastically similar to the Switch's architecture then I can easily see something like what happened with Dolphin happening with Ryujinx and Stratos. For those who don't realise, Dolphin released in 2003 and for the same reason as above, it runs GameCube and Wii.
I read that theory in your previous video. Nice shout-out to your fans!
Yuzu can blame the pirates all they want, but that was the majority of their community - whether they support it or not. Of course, officially they never supported piracy. But just look at the majority of their users - pirates.
I know the repos have been cloned by various reddit users. So sooner or later a rebranded version of those emulators will appear.
I'm voting for the names "Strawberry3DS" and "Yuzette".
I'm just surprised they didn't try to use the perseveration justification.
They can say that they didn't intend for Yuzu to lead to piracy, but it's foolish to not expect people to use it for piracy
And then accept peoples monry for it
That was a prepared statement from their legal counsel. 100%
The situation with Yuzu basically they were profiting from these downloads that is the biggest bowl of contention for Nintendo if they were not caught taking money behind their Patreon then Nintendo probably couldn’t be able to do anything legally But Yuzu shut themselves in the foot by doing that.
Ryujinx do have a Patreon, they are next
yeah let's pretend eggns doesn't do the same thing 🤦
@@user-uu1tm7bk4r Eggns is even worse, they are using code from Yuzu so Nintendo now can take it down easily
It depends, what do people get from the patreon?
@@AntiTako access to their discord, early access to stuff from the emulator and being credited for helping fund the emulator.
Bye bye Ryujinx 😂😂😂
9:55 Downloading a Game you own is still Illegal since it is a copy of a Game you do not own. It is the Copy of someone else Game. Each Game is unique. You have to Rip your own Game
Indeed and that's why 99% of Emulation is Illegal.. if people want to have fun go ahead and Buy and have fun with the Original hardware and software or buy the software and make a Legal copy to play on other hardware but they don't want that they just want to be a Freeloaders.. that 1% are Enthusiasts who care enough to learn the Craft that's needed make Legal copies and that 99% is Ruining it for that 1%.
yeah but this is the vision of the law, we can't accept everything the law says, because the law already said many things to be true that was evil, lets not start with Slavery, and many other evil stuff stuff, lets not even touch the horrilble things law allowed, so the LAW is not a good definition of whats right and whats wrong here,
honestly lets be real honest here, what really change from you copy of the game to mine? the files are the same maybe it change the serial key? yeah? who cares? the stages are the same everything else is the same, if you go to my pc downlaod a game on steam and compare all the files to you game all of then would be the same.
so i don't agree with the law on this instance, if you paid for the game you already paid for it, theres nothing wrong to download it if you want, and then theres the preservation part,
many games stop being produced, some games are not officially sold anymore, the older it gets the harder and harder it gets to find to the point it gets to be impossible, so in this case games that are not officialy sold anymore you should have the legal right to download it for preservation purposes, we need preserve art, we need to be able to preserve books, music everything.
sure the law says is illegal to download a game you already paid for, but the question is is the law right in this case? is it trully any difference from my game to yours other than the serial key? im playing the game to see the serial key btw? or i want play the stages? will the stages change? i don't think so. so no i don't belive law is right here.
yeah its illegal, but its a law that don't make sense to be honest atleast not for games that are not officialy sold anymore, i can accept this law for games that are still being sold because you can find then and get then, but games that are not sold anymore? nah, we need the right to preserve then.
i use emulation my self, but if you see my profile on steam, you will see i buy most of my games even on microsoft store, i don't emulate switch games, because the console is still alive i don't think its right to do that, to be honest in my personal opnion emulators should be for consoles that don't are active anymore, a switch is still a active console so i don't agree at all for having emulators for it,
i use emulators to play SNES/64/gamecube/wii why? because i love mario/donkey kong franchises, i already had the games as a kid i had super mario as a kid, i had dk as a kid, i no see a issue at emulating then. i already paid for the games im emulating for, and if the game is not sold anymore i think u should have the right to download anyway even tho im not really intersted in much other games.
my ps2 stopped working around in 2015, i used to play a few games like ssx3, god of war and a few others, i still have the Dvd but my compuer don't have a dvd player whats the problem in downloading the games if i paid for then?.
anyway thats just my opnion on this case.
@@PHARAOH-ZODIAC they dont know everything :P it is totally in your right to rip your own stuff. Otherwise mp3 players would not have been allowed back when they where new and legally downloading music was not really a thing. You had to get it from your own CDs. Same thing with games now.
Yea I can tell Yuzu devs would never say this 😅 def was forced to say this from Nintendo 😂
Its legal speak i agree
The lawyers did. This doesnt sound like a legitimate apology. They just blamed someone else
This is pretty much the first time there was emulation for a current gen console on consumer grade hardware.
Wrong. UltraHLE was around in 1997. Bleep was around the time of its console marketshare too. Almost no famous emulator surfaces (and works effectively) after the console dies. After the PS3, it's all a different story. But even the DS got emulated well before the 3DS was launched.
You are a Sega UA-camr and admit to it I’m only messing around with you. Thanks for all the updates I really enjoy your contact.
I did not understand the statement either, i have been there since early days for years now as a patreon. This was as early as before any games worked. Even i dont recognize this post if there should be any of em.
It's good now people that actually care about emulation and not just money can take over. It won't get updated as fast but it will be in better hands.
"bullshit" will be memeified for the rest of eternity.
All hail our king of Nintendo UA-camrs
Obviously the judge said "You must release this". Probably would have been 10X the judgement if they hadn't.
Emulators are never the problem, it’s how people dump and distribute roms, where 99% of people just download roms, that’s the illegal part
to be fair it is us who leaked a bunch of roms so truly we are to blame
Never heard of them.
Jobs protected by product keys being circumvented is cutting the hands off that feed you. Where is the incentive for Nintendo release switch 2 just so it can be hacked 6 months later.
I’ve been thinking another theory after all that is remember Nintendo now own both the 3ds and the switch emulator, they can do what they like with it maybe it’s an useful tool they can use to emulate their games on the next gen switch. It’s not beyond the realms as PlayStation have done this before
Even in a perfect world where everyone used legal copies, yuzu still had a patreon.
People saying that emulation is done even 10% of the time as an alternative way to play games they legally own instead of piracy is full of crap.
Hopefully that doesn’t raise the price on those hard drives loaded with games.
3:53 - Yeah it's very obvious they were forced to put out that statement as part of their settlement. It's a very Japanese thing to do.
always a good day when my favourite nintendo youtuber uploads again
Usually im always against Nintendo in situations like this. But this time i can kinda understand where Nintendo is coming from. My question is why do we need emulators for current gen hardware? Emulation is supposed to be for platforms that are no longer easily available.
Shhh that’s the pirates argument. To stock pile ROMs and emulators just in case their games are stuck on a dead N console. 😉
Besides piracy, mods and better performance. You can run games at 4k and 60fps with no frame dips with better hardware.
When I read what Nintendo made them say, it literally felt like a gun was put against my head
I love it when emulator developers say that the emulator they created is/was not intended for people to rip off and play games. That's the only reason they make them.
Rgt85 is my favour nintendo youtuber who sometimes does psn/xbox/emulation news on the side ^_^
Love this dude
At first I felt sorry for the Yuzu team but at the same time they pushed their luck!
It's always great to see a new video from my favorite King of Emulation UA-camr talking about Nintendo emulation issues. Maybe tomorrow we'll get a story about Xbox? Steam Deck? Whatever it is I bet it won't be about Nintendo!
If Nintendo updated the Switch hardware sooner I might not go out of my way to play the games on an emulator in 4k 60 fps.
So you’re basically saying you’re a pirate because it’s easy on current N gen hardware?
No, he said because the experience is so much better on a emulator(he didn't say he pirated the games either), as our lord and savior gabe once said, "Piracy is almost always a service problem", if you provide a equal or better experience than piracy brings, there will be a lot more customers and a lot less pirates pirating the game, so many people that pirate nintendo games prefer to buy games on steam rather than pirate them because steam provides a better service than piracy.
4k 60 fps on a fucking handheld lmao. Can even current gen handhelds do this? People really be wanting to change the purpose of a particular tool.
@@SamYs94 My bad on the piracy part. But Nintendo is providing a niche for some gamers with the Switch. A handheld/console experience on a budget. People are welcome to buy the Rog or Steamdeck. But be ready to pay almost double and get half the battery life of a Switch.
Me pointing at RGT : That's him right there.
Maybe if Nintendo sold there games on PC they wouldn't need to worry about piracy
You’re out of your mind if you think piracy wouldn’t be exponential if Nintendo comes to PC
It's how they sell their console.
I love watching your reviews, especially your Nintendo UA-cam reviews
Archive in my community tab. I didn't make it, just sharing.
"And stuff like that"
most likely just a formality. a condition to accept the $2.4m bill instead of going to trial and discovery.
the statement is not a big deal imo.
Rip yuzu, welcome nuzu
Suyu
Yuzu made a big mistake being monetized
I mean, people would like to get paid for their work.
@@thelastdragon5551that’s the problem most emulators are made by fan groups so you can play older games on pc. However this was not the case not only wore they making a profit it was with current gen system
@@zwillscoopchannel9689 Yeah the whole “game preservation” and “backing up your games” angle doesn’t seem to work here.
Call em out!!
What was golf game that was shown on the 3DS
Let's Golf 3D.
Emūl85 is back!!
Thanks for keeping it real on this topic😂 Everyone else is beating around the bush
Nintendo was clever as to how they went after Yuzu. They didn't attack the emulator directly yet they took it down swiftly.
Yeah. A big company like Nintendo which has operated for over a century is not something you can mess with. You would think they didn't act but when they had enough evidence, they would strike emulators down unexpectedly and heavily.
That's a CYA statement so that Nintendo don't go after them again for the 3DS, unless that was part of the Switch suit.