don't get a seven string guitar: here's why...
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
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Once I got a 7, I actually became a better player cause it opened the door for so much more! I recommend a 7 for guys that want to open their door for song writing. I got it and never put it down! I love 7s!!! And I mean the chords I came up with even in clean, bar chords with a 7 is just killer!! Things you can’t do with a 6. So i recommend 7s to people who want to expand. If your tired of the same ol same ol from a 6, get a 7!! So many more options!!! Expand man!!
That's fucking rad dude. I had kind of an opposite effect but only when wielding the 7 and playing 6'er songs. I had to admit to myself after 25 years of playing that ya I have kind of smaller hands, so that could also have been a factor on my old 7 neck. :)
Same, so much fun, it helps you get your muting technique down too
@@ryzencorp8182 agreed! I mean once I got mine I couldn’t put it down.
@@BigRobot69 same
Dream guitar is a 7 string ibanez gio. No idea why but it just looks so good. Just bought one yesterday and it sounds pretty damn good compared to my other shiz
Video title: don’t buy a 7 string guitar
Me: ok 8 string it is
i went a step ahead and got a 9 string
A great feature of a 7 string is that you can comfortably switch between E and B standard without having to get lower gauge strings. You can just change the g string to an F# and then have B standard with a high E.
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I can't find where to buy an F# string anywhere. lol
I'm confused. Why would you need an F# string in B standard on a 7 string.
@@Owlun B standard tuning is BEADF#B.
7 strings are tuned to BEADGBE. Basically you can play songs that were originally recorded on a B standard guitar if you tune the G to F#.
@@nissenilsson9158 Lol I was so confused. I thought you were saying you needed that F# on a 7 string in B standard.
I gotchu now. Thanks.
My name is Mubatu and we have no money for real guitar here in Africa. We made our own 14 string guitar out of thrown away rubbish. It's tune so low it causes groin injury
Muhahah
I've been playing for just shy of 30 years and did 90% on six strings with E standard tuning. I bought a 7 string after hearing how it feels like a whole different instrument. I had zero issues adapting to it. It felt as natural as playing a 6 string to me.
I think a lot of people struggle because they are overthinking it. Music is the art of sound. As such, the ONLY rule is does it sound good, or at least does it help convay what you're trying to say. Any other rule is nonsense. I love science, and with most things, I'm obsessed with knowing the facts and being able to back up my opinions with proof. Art is the one place such obsession is not only unessisary it's arguably harmful.
Your story is pretty similar to mine. Now I have a 8 string on the way. My mind is going wild with the possibilities and exrra power chords. :)
Dudeee, I mostly play funk, and I tried a Schecter c7 today at guitar center. It's the most comfortable neck I've ever felt!!
People are forgetting how much neck shape and design plays a role in your comfort
When someone sees me playing a 7 and the say that they wouldn’t know where to start on it, it makes me think they don’t know anything about playing guitar in the first place. It’s chords, it’s scales, it’s all the same. You’re absolutely right. Memorize the fretboard in a standard tuning first. Don’t drop tune, don’t take shortcuts. Learn your intervals before screwing up your tuning. Good video man. Peace
My dad in a nutshell.
Don't get me wrong, he's brilliant at what he does. Problem is that he can't comprehend anything that isn't strumming the standard shape chords on E standard.
Put it in drop D to use power chords on that one song?
"No. I can't do bar chords on this, it's stupid and useless."
Take one finger off that major chord you always use to use an alternative version to give the song life?
"No. It doesn't make sense, it's no longer (insert major chord here), it's stupid and useless.
If I play my baritone with him, (same chord shapes but I can convert it so we are playing the same notes).
(Attempts to copy my chord shapes and not what the music book says the notes are)
"No. Your guitar sounds wrong, it's stupid and pointless."
Will not introduce him to the concept of extra strings. That may be too much (even though I play it in baritone tuning with an extra high e)
This. Really good outlook. Not discouraging people experimenting or exploring but understanding the value of memorising the fretboard or getting your intervals right before widening things. Appreciate this man
I learned the fretboard in drop D, because that's what I like to play in. I know my intervals, they're just slightly different. And I can translate that to standard by just moving everything on the low E down 2 frets. There really isn't a right way to do it.
Once you get a 7 string, you'll have so much fun with it you'll want to get an 8 string.
A 7 string guitar can be the best of both worlds if you can get used to the adjustment. It allows you to tune low as well keep the same scale patterns you are used to on a 6 string guitar.
When I started getting into super heavy music like 15 years ago, I did a lot of research and decided I was going to get an 8 string. Upon finding one and testing it out though, I actually hated it. Going from a 6 to 8 string is like switching to an entirely new instrument. So, I tried out a 7 string. INSTANTLY fell in love with it. So much so, that I will NEVER buy a 6 string again. Ever. The 7 was actually very comfortable and easy to pick up for me.
I'm buying a Schecter 7 string soon, because of how comfortable the neck is.
Even though I don't usually play styles that really require a 7th string at all, the wide and flat profile of this neck is just liquid comfortable
I only own a 7 string, playing a 6 string feels weird to me at this point. I love the harmonic capabilities of just one extra string. I even use it clean AT CHURCH and it's awesome
I'm looking at a 7 string headless and considered what it would be like to play at my church also lol
Great timing with this video. I'm selling my 7-string today as I don't play it as much as I thought I would. Live and learn. Keep it metal, Ray! \m/
Terrible timing because your market share just shrank, lol.
A heavy riff is a heavy riff no matter what tuning. A low tuning doesn't make it heavier. It just makes it thicker sounding. That's it. Sometimes the muddiness of the lower tunings take away from the riff. Not always, but sometimes.
I agree some E standard riffs are heavy
It took me a long time to get used to 7 string but now it`s perfect for me. I like the wider neck grip and the fact that I have a completely standard guitar I had been leraning for years plus an additional string for lower stuff. And I`m not soloing 99% of time.
Cons: same models of guitars are more expensive and there`s just way less of different models compared to 6 string. Finding Evertune 7 string with 25.5 scale is a hell of a task
The reason I wanted 7-string guitars was because a lot of my favourite bands played them, and I wanted to be able to play their material without having to drastically alter one of my guitars to do it. Then again, I'm more of a prog-metal guy than someone who goes for the heaviest thing out there. I like to have a low B while still being able to play those piercing high Es at the 24th fret.
I never really thought of the 7-string as harder with regards to theory, and I'm with you on the idea of thinking of a 7-string as "a 6-string with an extra fun string!" and that made it much easier for me to rationalize it. I can play all my usual 6-string material on one, but then use that low B for when I need that extended range.
I'll strongly disagree about the price point though. It's true that some models are much more expensive than their 6-string counterparts, but it's never been easier and more accessible to get into 7-strings when you consider the massive jumps of quality in cheap guitars over the last 10 years. I tried an Ibanez GIO 7-string recently, very inexpensive instrument that I easily could have afforded as a kid on my paper route job, and it was not terrible at all! A kid can drop not all that much money on a 7-string these days and get something that's not a pile of complete trash.
But otherwise, I see where you're coming from. 6-strings are still a lot more versatile than people think, and there are a lot of times where I'd rather use a 6-string than a 7-string.
Your right about the value, my js22 7 is really usable and I got it for 150 bucks.
My reason for getting a seven string guitar was only to enable me to play songs that I love that were written on a seven string instrument.. One thing people should keep in mind is that even when dropping the tuning of your lowest string, you are really not getting that many extra notes. But sometimes, it is a requirement to have the range that comes with an extra guitar string. I still feel like some of the heaviest songs I have ever heard were written on a Six string!!
Yup. On a six string. In standard tuning.
I started on 6 strings, bought a few different ones over time, then bought an 8 string loved it and just got my first 7 string earlier this year. And absolutely, the amount of strings don’t make it “heavier” I have two albums out now that is primarily played on 8 strings but outside of a few obvious low chuggy breakdown type stuff, it sounds like I’m playing on a 7 string or a dropped tuned 6. And my heaviest song is on a 6 string in drop C#. I mostly use the F# on the 8 string guitar as an accent or more of an added layer of depth while playing chords, whereas a lot of 8 string players tend to live and die on that low 8th string. Which I find boring and unoriginal.
Well that sucks for you because the sound of a low 8th or 7th string tickles me in ways I can't explain. Your comment is unoriginal and boring lol. Even if a songs just on one string but its sick idgaf lol. I am not saying the other strings should be neglected play some sick dissonant chord in-between chugging that low string or a tasty arpeggio run mmmm baby
I play drop G on one of my 7-string 26.5'' guitars. 100% agree that any lower and you want 27'' or longer. Below ''G'' is ''F#'' which is standard tuning for 8-string guitars, so look for a baritone 7-string or just get an 8-string. I also use down-tuned 6-string guitars. You DO need to be careful when purchasing a 6-string guitar with the intent of down-tuning to the range of a 7-string. A lot of the stock hardware on most 6's can't handle the gauges for those extended range tunings.
I have a couple six strings, a seven and most recently an eight, and as a vocalist with whatever particular range I have, the thing I've really come to love about the lower tuning is that in the context of a full mix the guitar tone can take up a lot more space without getting in the way of my vocal.
And especially as the kind of vocalist who likes to go from a whisper to a roar on a dime with the changes in volume that entails, I've definitely found that having lower rhythm guitar parts results in a lot less need for precision EQing and a much more natural sound for both the guitar and the vocal :)
There are a couple of points missing:
First of all - if you're like me and you have gigantic hands, bigger instrument is simply more comfortable to play in my experience. I started to play bigger guitars after I tried 5 string bass - it was so much more comfortable than a regular 25.5 6 string guitar. After playing 7 string and a bass for a while, I tried 8 string and it felt like a perfect fit for my hands. Not only I like low chugs, but I also like when my instrument is comfy.
Second: (guitar solos are kinda cringe (hot take:D)) - extended range is not only useful for solos, but also for creating ambience and nice clean sections or arrangements in general. It is mentioned a bit, but only in the context of guitar solos. The actual point is that you can have a single guitar to make chugs and make arrangements for the song or whatever you want to make. Quoting Carpenter of Deftones: "More guitar! Why have less guitar, when you can have more guitar!"
Also aesthetics is important. For example, I don't like how 6 string guitars look - they are too tiny. And I also don't like how I look with them - I'm too big and guitar's too small. But I also know people who don't like how big guitars look. Playing guitar is fun. Playing guitar while enjoying how it looks or how it looks on you is even more fun.
Interesting fact: if I puck up a 6 string guitar - it feels weird to me and I don't know what to do with it. I'm used to a 5/6 string bass, I'm used to an 8 string, but 6 string guitar throws me off a bit. It is really a force of habit. If you play big guitars mostly, you will probably need to adapt to a 6 string and vice versa.
If you're wondering about getting a 7 string but mostly so you can play lower notes, you can try experimenting with a pitch shifter plugin/pedal on a 6 string first
I started playing 7 strings because the neck being wider actually felt more comfortable for me to play versus a 6 string.
Baritone is amazing. Your comment about playing lead vs rhythm is the key. If you aren't playing leads you don't need a 7 string or if you aren't playing really extended range chord inversions
Thanks for the video! Love these kind on YT, just sensible arguments delivered :)
I got a 7 strings for the first time this year. I don’t really play heavy metal so I don’t use it to chug. I keep it in standard tuning and use it to beef some songs where two 6 strings sound like it’s missing something.
While there are general reasons you’d need more scale length, but don’t be afraid to just try stuff.
I took inspiration from Jason Richardson, so on my Jason Richardson 7, I’m tuned and intonated to drop G using 10-56. Jason takes it further using 11-58 with drop F#. This is because it also comes down to your feel and how you play. If you have a lighter touch, these things are doable, but extended scale is ultimately better if you want more tension.
I’m a shredder myself, love just blasting through notes challenging myself. Was planning on getting 7 to get into that kind of challenge I tend to throw myself into with guitar (also a particular sonic song that came out in recent year but the motivation is still the same), this vid definitely helped, really appreciate the insight!
I fully agree with what you said about how guitarists who want to just play lower end stuff should get baritone guitars instead, 7 strings and 8 strings are so much bigger, heavier and overall more clunky than a baritone so unless you’re actually playing all of the strings a baritone is just going to be much more convenient and easier on your back and shoulders as well
baritone sixes look goofy as hell lol i like the low chug of a 7 then u got loads more notes to play with. both have their place tho
7 strings are easier to find than baritones and often cheaper if you want to by in person in my experience.
I got a 7 because I like to riff on E standard blues riffs, but I also like to chug out on drop A. I got it in a 27" scale because I have big hands. One trick I like to do sometimes is tune the guitar as if it were a baritone but with an extra high string, having played primarily 6 strings most of my life I find this a lot easier to wrap my head around as far as notes and scales.
I’ve never played a 27” scale length but I would imagine they take a minute to adjust to after playing a normal guitar, how has that been for u?
@@quinnquitars they really dont do much. I have a 30" 6 string (squier vi) a 27 inch 7 string, a 26.5 inch 7 string, a 25.5 inch 6 string, and a 24.75 inch 6 string. of course I have others but those guitars all share a scale length with one of the ones I listed. they all generally feel the same other than the 30", and I think its because it is in E standard, one octave lower. the rest are all in standard tuning. it of course would feel weird going from the 24.75 to the 27". but thats mainly because of the extra string. in my opinion you only notice the longer scale when you are trying to notice something. if you dont think about it its like its not even there.
@@quinnquitars Unless you're doing complex chords that require a big stretch it's not much of an adjustment. It's about what you would expect the spacing to be if you added an extra fret on the nut end of the neck for a 25.5" scale guitar if that makes sense.
@@KellerFkinRyan oh wow ok ty.
Always love your vidoes Ray and I dont normally comment unless I really like a youtuber which you are one of my favorites either way I got a seven string back in april and it is rally fun the main reason I got it was beacuse all the baritones are out of my budget
A JL-7 was loaned to me. Loved it. its 26.5. Did tune down half step like Jeff. Then I tried to learn Conquering Dystopia tracks. Standard tuning 5-1 with Drop A on 7. This was odd to me, yet I'm writing a song in this tuning now cause it just fell from the sky. Having standard tuned strings on a 26.5 was something I never though I would use, yet here I am. It is about the riff and what feels right. Many of us are not playing in a band so we don't have to have a rack of guitars on standby in various tuning. Anyway love your energy dude and you vids! Peace!
after playing 6 strings for nearly 30 years i picked up a 7 string as an impulse buy and i love it, i thought the extra b string would trip me up, but it was easier than i thought
The first 7-string I owned - a Epi flying V in 24.75 scale - left me feeling lost on the fretboard and didn't really "serve a purpose". I sold it and moved on. But I recently bought a new 7-string. It has a longer 26.5 scale, is a more player-friendly design, and I'm coming to it as a more experienced player. I've really bonded with the extra string this time around thanks to the better design. No small part of that is how I actively invested some time in treating it as a "new instrument" to learn.
I personally feel like they're the best if you want versatility if you don't want or can't have a larger collection. If you tune the G string down a half step to F# it turns into a B-B baritone with a bonus high E and if you keep it standard its an E-E with a bonus low B. Picked up the cheapest Jackson on the market because of the 26.5 scale length. There is a learning curve but the fact that you can play standard tuned riffs without having to use a capo or extra brain power and have baritone range made it ideal for me.
Korn on the laptop 👌 fine choice sir
Only fitting for the topic at hand!
I learned a riff on my 7 string last night and just ended up pitch shifting my 6 string, it was a little easier to play that way (shorter scale length and smaller neck.) 90% off riffs dont use all 7 strings. 11 semitones down on Neural DSP Petrucci was no problem (as long as you're not playing chords, it gets muddy then.)
7 strings allow you to have a drop A and play drop shape chord and licks while having a standard tune 6 strings. A E A D G B E. Gives the best of bothe worlds you got a regular 6 strings with a added low string, put it in droo A and its so easy for people use to playing in drop d and e standard. Drop A plays easy in A minor/C major if you use alot of natural notes or play with a keyboard.
I’ll leave my 2 cents on 7 strings since you already know that’s mainly what I gravitate towards. Of course we all love the fun string but I also like playing predominantly around the 10th/12th fret and higher generally speaking so I can play the octave notes (if I’m only using 1 string). I also enjoy huge string skipping riffs going from the lowest note to some of the highest on the board and some solo type stuff as well when necessary. Playing 7s and 8s definitely helped me on playing 6s too since you do have to go about playing the wider necks slightly differently and think a little bit more when using theory.
Great video Ray and as for me I have never been interested in playing or buying a 7 string guitar. I can get everything I need to get out of a guitar on a 6 string just have no need for a 7 string guitar.
Looking forward to the new album fella 😊🤘
I Just ordered a mahogany Strat body and a 27” (maple neck/rosewood FB) to build a custom HSH pickup configuration Strat, had all the emgs sitting around from other guitars so I just ordered a Strat pick guard and emg brand kill switch, and it’s ready to go after I stain it.
Gonna be my first baritone 6.
I have a 27” 7 string but I just don’t feel as comfortable on it as a 6.
Love the channel man. Keep up the good work
Ok ok... I won't get a 7 string.
I'll get an 8 string instead!!!
Great video to make. The amount of extra work you gotta do to overcome the clunkiness of an extra string is worth it for so few people. I stuck with it but only because I got a dope evertune one, and that part I’m in love with. Prolly shoulda gotten a baritone but here we are lol
7 strings cost more when they are new but generally cost less used because it’s not as easy to sell a 7 string to the niche market. I picked up a 30th anniversary RG 7 string for $900 just before the pandemic. They generally sell for around 1200 but Guitar Center knocked down the price to get rid of it.
You got a great channel Xander ! thank your for your informations , influence and impressions ! Greetings from Germany
Well, I have a standard 6 string, a 28” baritone 6 string, 2 26.5” 7 strings and an 8 string. My favorites are by far the 7 strings. They open up to so much more
Boomer here!
1st 7 string I ever saw was in the early 80s. My guitar teacher had a 7 string Classical guitar. Blew my mind! He played Classical and Jazz on it. I respect it, I'm just not mentally wired for it.
Dude,
Recently came upon your channel and I love your guitar talk so far.
Thanks man!
From a 7 string player 🤣
Iv been playing for 15 years or so and only play for fun at home. I like to play things ranging from acoustic songs, to thrash metal to nu metal and everything else out there. I enjoyed changing to a 7 string AND a drop tune pedal. I can play absolutely any song in almost any tuning all on one instrument. Keeps it fun for me without needing multiple guitars.
I do drop A on a 24.75 scale length. No issues with it and it is intonated perfectly.
My first guitar ever was a 26.5" 7 string, still love to play with it in Drop A/Drop G 🫶.
The perfect compromise to play these lower tuning while keeping it comfortable 👍
I only recently got the urge to look into 7 strings. Found two used ones at my local guitar center and got to try them. I'm a rhythm guy not so much a lead guy (but i dabble and I'm decent) and i found it to be so much fun. I actually enjoyed the wider neck. And despite playing for 18 years and still not having the fretboard fully memorized, i found the extended range of notes and options intriguing and a new challenge. Despite that ol "i wanna do some chugging", i found it as a unique way to add depth and bass to chording over top of it.
Anyways i think you make good points. I agree in it being the fun string. It just adds more fun stuff you can do!
I have a 9 string with a top A0. That doesn’t make it any heavier than classics from bands I grew up with like Pantera in E standard. It’s the riff and tone.
aww crazy I was literally thinking about all this, just seeing this video now and you've covered it all!.
thanks mate u got my sub' !
I play 7 strings as my main guitars. I first started playing them because I have large hands and long fingers and they were more comfortable, now, I just love that I can bring 2 guitars with me to gigs instead of 4 because we tune to standard and drop D, I cover both with a 7 string!
Being new to guitar and having picked up a 7 I was starting to worry I made the wrong choice off…until you played your upcoming clip \m/ that’s exactly why I got a 7 and feel secure in my purchase 😂
My seven string upgrade was to play Fear Factory, Unearth, Whitechapel and Upon A Burning Body. But my original riffs are in CGCFAD and I fell my riffs are heavy AF. Sylosis plays in Standard E and are heavy AF! The riff is important, not the tuning.
Sylosis has been in D standard for the last album or two, and a lot of the new stuff is in C#
Thanks for making these points to think about and if I ever get a 7 string, it will be a standard tuning for me at the ver least.
God that quote about the riff is so true. Don’t wanna name any names but recently saw 2 bands at the same show, one playing 8 strings very down tuned, another playing 6 strings down tuned a little. And fuck did the 6 string band hit so much harder than the ultra down tuned breakdowns of the 8 string band.
Love seven strings (outside of the chug chug), wider neck (helped with my technique), less string spacing (helped with keeping pick strokes tight). Love it. I also like 25.5 especially with lead.
my 7 string made me a better player on my 6 string :). same story as you. had to rework my hand technique on the neck especially which really improved the way I played when I switched back to 6. and thats after 15 whole years of playing 6 strings. crazy
I have 6 strings and a baritone at home and I'm happy with that...but even more with a 7 string and 8 string. For me, the 7 string is easy to play. You just have an extra string. A 8 string guitar is a different thing, you have more options and it's a bit complicated for me, but it's so much fun. There is no right or wrong for me. If you have the chance to try it out and have fun, just do it and go your way. You don't have to use 7 and 8 string guitars only for metal...but I like it. 😊🤘
Just a Tip - I've learnt to play 7 string by playing it as a 6 string. I have just skipped the 7th string (the thickest) and played all my 6 string songs on it so that my hands got used to the feeling od 7 string. Playing 7 string songs was really easier after that
As someone who skipped straight from a 6 to an 8 back when I was 16, I can confirm this. I’ve come to love the guitar, it’s a beast and it still one of the best feeling guitars I’ve played despite the skateboard neck, but sometimes it’s just too “much”.
You lose the feel of a traditional guitar and ironically playing lots trivial stuff can be come very difficult with all the added intervals 2 extra strings. If you want to play heavy and tune really low and you’re not a shredder, I’d simply get another 6 string, set it up and keep it tuned low. Keep 1 guitar in standard tuning, and keep the other in whatever you want.
The positive thing about an instrument like that is that it definitely does challenge, and every other guitar you pick up feels minuscule (which is a good thing, since it will make playing that much easier).
Extended range instruments have their uses, but in Metal particularly, they are largely novelty items. Bands were tuning their regular 6s down to hell since the late 80s/Early 90s, and they make it work.
Note. Also this said, 7s now feel amazing for me haha, because they are right in between the 2 things I’m used to. Looking back, I should have probably gone 7 instead of 8.
Not atting at you, but there is an early XX century brazillian genre called chorinho that is played mostly in 7 nylon strings acoustics. Lol
The biggest curve for me with a 7 is the additional deadening needed. It’s harder to keep the unused strings from buzzing while you’re playing. It’s just noisy. If you aren’t playing lead, or don’t want a standard 6 with an extra low string, just get a baritone.
The wider fretboard was best thing that my big hands needed.
I love my 7 string. It just opens more possibilities when compared to a 6 string yet you can still play it excactly like a 6 string when the low b isnt needed
My first 7 string was bought purely to play korn songs, plain and simple. A standard and love it. But in saying that I had a Ibanez Prestige RG1127 and personally didnt like the neck and got rid of it and happy with my Jackson JS32-7 my Ibanez GRG7221. Ray brilliant video as always bro
I do own a 7 strings, and I picked it up because of curiosity, and so far I have fun with it :P
I started with a 6 several years before 7's were introduced to me with Steve Vai's Passion and Warfare album. I didn't get one until Dream Theater's Awake album. Everybody was asking why and that it's like playing a tree trunk etc etc. It didn't take me that long to get used to playing it, with the most 'annoying' thing was playing a B chord instead of an E chord by mistake and I couldn't wrap my thumb over the neck on some chords or some bends etc. I've been playing 7's since then and now, I feel naked playing a 6. Feels like something is missing. I also tried and have an 8 string but I go back to the 7's all the time. It's the perfect sweet spot for me. I also remember waaaay back playing a 7 in Guitar Center when they started getting popular again with Korn or whoever else was using them and one guy made a comment that he never has seen anybody actually use a 7 string the right way. I asked what did he mean and he said that everybody always just tries to play heavy and only uses the first 5 or 7 fets and only the bottom two strings, why not just get a cheaper 6 string and tune down? Basically a 7 (or 8 or 9 etc) should be for 'extended range' and not only for 'playing heavy'
I love to play six strings, but I have a couple of 7 strings for Fear Factory and Jeff Loomis style playing! I have a Schecter Omen Extreme 7 with Dino Cazares SD Blackouts and a Schecter Jeff Loomis signature with his signature SD Blackouts, both killer guitars!
I Have The Schecter Diamond Series Demon 7 Vintage White with Seymour Duncan Mick Thomson Blackouts
@@mrrnrob this one came with the Diamond series pickups, I had the Fishman Moderns in it first, but I really wasn’t feeling those! Love the Blackouts, Micks pickups are great, I had his signature Jackson guitar for a while!
@@REDDRAGON666ful Cool..The Jackson Guitar..We Now know Mick Switch to ESP From Jackson. A Month ago I Picked Up The 6 String ESP LTD PHOENIX BLACK METAL, BLACK SATIN Finish --Then Swap Out The Pups For Mick Thomson Fishmans Pups..
i've played a 6 string upside down (Strung properly) for most my life, i finally bought a real left handed guitar and it happened to be a 7 string and honestly i would rather play the upside down guitar than the 7 string.
I've been playing guitar for 3 years now, got a 7 string 2 months ago and within 1 week or two I got used to it. It's been so much fun to have more range (low g# to high Eb)
I got a 7-string because the band I was in at the time played in drop-B and it's a nightmare to tune on a 6-string. So I just got a 7 and dropped the B to A and put capo on 2nd fret, whole lot easier. :D
When it comes to heaviness, I always argue that Sad But True is still one of, if not, the heaviest songs out there, right from the get go. And a big part of that is the overall sound. It punches you in the gut.
Fun fact, I play 7 but I use my 7 as a 6. I play my a jp70 sterling and I took out the 7th tuner peg and use it as a 6 string. I blocked off the tremolo cause I don’t really use it for what my band plays but here is the kicker. I feel more comfortable playing a 7 string guitar as a 6 string without the extra string. I feel like I have more room for that high e for more bends.
The main reason I bought a 7 string was because the only other guitar I had was a floyd rose equipped 6-string kept in standard tuning. I used to never change tuning and thought myself how to use different inversion/techniques etc to play songs that would have been in dropped or extended tunings. I basically saw the 7 string as having an additional 5-7 notes that I had to play with as basically a “one-guitar does all”. I was inspired to pick one up by Babymetal and Trivium’s Shogun! Now I have a 27” 7-string and a digitech drop pedal that I use as a one-trick pony and it feels like home now! Play as low a Drop F now.
I've been playing for years and can still barely handle six strings, I'm thinking Keith Richards had the right idea only using 5....
Great video as always. The best point-by-point explanation all in one place I've heard yet.
I'll take a baritone over 7-strings anytime. I'm not a shredder, but moreover, the bass already occupies a big chunk of that sonic space, why do I need to be there and on a neck that's not comfortable to play?
I just got a 7 string very cheap as a refurb/return, I guess some people regret their purchase. I looked into parts to "upgrade" it and there are fewer options, far less stuff on the used market, and parts are more expensive. I'm not sure I saved anything if I end up changing anything on this guitar, but out of the box it seems fun and the challenge at least will keep my interest.
I bought my first seven string in 2002 and never looked back. My license plate actually says BEADGBE. I can get six string tones but add a little extra chunk when it's needed. Six strings can get seven string tones but you're going to get floppy strings due to lack of string tension. It is harder to get pickups and tuners for a seven string but there are a bunch of companies that make accessories for them.
I own four 7 strings (both multiscale and non-multiscale), two 8 strings (both multiscale and non-multiscale), and a multiscale 10 string. Multiscale is definitely recommended for extreme drop tunings.
Great video! I originally bought a seven string because we were doing alot of songs in drop D and that didn't really work with my Floyd Rose equipped guitars so it worked out well for me.
If you think about it as a different instrument, not just a big guitar, then it's actually easier to approach because you drop a lot more of your preconceptions. That said, a 6-string with a D-Tuna so you can drop the low-E a full step on the fly is going to cover SOOOO much territory before you need to add strings.
I have one of the 2000 ex of the Epiphone Flying V Korina - 7 Strings. It's a weird 24.75 scale lenght 7 strings Flying V. It's made in Korea in 2000. I bought it for less than 300€ at my local guitar shop in France in 2001 !! I turned it full black, tuners, pickguard, hardware, etc, ... and it looks great ! There are pictures of Matt Heafy using one of these guitars back in the day with EMG's.
Cool but weird guitar !!!
I love how chill and non arrogant you are with this channel. I think you give great feedback on what the guitar community is interested in. MY personal take is, I personally think a 6 string+drop pedal eliminates any reason/want for extended range guitars.
I'm kind of stuck in between of buying a 7. Because i play in a band that plays a wide variety of music wherein we play a song that is in standard, THEN into a freaking drop C or drop C# or even lower and then back to standard again, So that's kind of the problem because mainly the strings would break, the setup or action would change making the guitar harder to play. So would a 7 string guitar could give me an opportunity to play different songs with different tunings with any hassle?
I picked up an 8 string a few years back and I felt like I got in over my head a bit. I tuned it to drop A on the top 6 and then drop E from there on the bottom string, but I found myself just riffing in drop A and ignoring the 8th most of the time so I sold it. Picked up a cheap 7 string about a year ago and it's like it's been a straight up muse. I had a dry spell for some years where I was just creatively stumped, or just lost the motivation to even play. The 7 string was the remedy for that for me.
I fell out of the extended range. I only have one 7 string now that I use to play some of Trivium’s songs and that is it.
Where would you place getting a drop tuner in the line up or is that a separate topic?
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Got a 7 string kinda regretting it at first, second guessed getting a baritone 6string, it was a 27 inch Jericho to play in Drop F, I was wishing it was longer even tho it held up fine once set up. I don’t solo or shred, but once I got familiar and started writing, I found my self actually using the high E string a lot for a bunch of the ambient/emotional Melodie’s, so no regrets, but for sure get a 27inch or longer from Drop F.
Before even watching, I think it depends on a bunch of different factors - are you just looking for heavier chugs, exclusively? How much lead work do you do? Are you looking into ringing out extended chord voicings? Do you play live?
Little hack I sometimes do on seven strings....if you take standard tuned 7 string and turn the G string to a F#....then the top 6 strings become like your standard guitar with an extra high string at the end.
One more reason I'd add, actually, for why someone might want to get a 7-string -- if you're coming to guitar from another instrument like the piano that naturally has a really wide range, a 6-string can feel limiting. A 7-string is a little harder to play, as you say, but not by a that much.
My own experience was that reaching the place where the 7 felt as good to play as a 6 didn't take very long, and the 7-string ended up feeling a lot more natural because I was able to get into at least parts of the low and high ranges I was used to playing on my other instrument.
i got a 7 string and actually learned a lot from it even tho i now prefer 6 strings again, i definitely recommend it
My first guitar is a 7 string. I just learned the guitar a few years ago. I decided to skip the 6 string so that I don't have to go thru the transition from 6 to 7. You can do it.
Drums and vocals are the main factors to make a music brutal and heavy.
I think about extended range guitars like a piano/keyboard.
Did I actually run out of notes to play to cover the music I’m working on? Or do I just need to shift the tuning and I have enough notes available?
I enjoy 7 string guitars still. But after 3-4 years or mainly playing 7s I ended up going back to 6 strings. Cost of string changes and maintenance keeping everything playing and sounding great. 6 string just let’s me play more at the end of the day.
Leads aren't the only reason to pick a seven-string. The key reason is extending your low range without losing your high range (what happens when you choose a baritone). And with this range you can do stuff like using wide all seven-string bar chords, additional harmonics from your first strings (which are fun with Gojira-ish pick scrapes noises), open tunings like John Browne's A#FA#D#FA#D#. And the most important reason is when you feel stuck with your old 6-string habits, chord shapes, patterns and so on, and you want to re-fresh your view on the instrument then get a 7. With me personally it sparked that feeling of something new, the feeling of discovery I had when I got my first 6 sting 10 years ago. And for the exact same reason, I will get and 8 in the future :)
But yeah, if you don't want to mess with it and 7 strings look complicated to you, and you just want to tune lower and apply your knowledge of a 6-string guitar, then baritone is much better choice. This way you won't have to learn how to mute that extra string or adjusting your chord shapes or scales, it is literally the same 6 string guitar with a longer neck.
hearing your complaints about the scale length for 7 string..I very recently got my first 7 string but its a multiscale.
its 25.51 in to 27.01 in (had to convert from mm) . my 6 string is 25.5 in.
aren't multiscale guitars made to alleviate the issue of string tension? I think its perfect for 7 string guitars or beyond.
You know I prepped myself to be a little annoyed but, I really appreciate and agree with your points. I personally started on a 7 and going to a six feels almost weird to me now lol.
Back in 2000 I asked Mick Thomson why he and Jim didn't play 7 strings, he answered - "I've never been accused of not being able to play a high enough note. " - I always found that to be the best argument against buying a 7.