Korihor taught survival of the fittest and the Zoramites believed in that teaching. It was by those very people that he met his end. Thus he was punished by the very philosophy he formerly taught.
True! He taught that humans are like animals and the strong trample the weak... and what happened to him??? He became weak and was literally trampled down.
Silly and vain is exactly what we hear atheists calling anyone who has any religious beliefs these days. So when judgement comes, they will find that their belief is silly and vain?
We do well to remember that Jesus _is_ God's mercy. God _couldn't_ show mercy to Korihor because he had knowingly, willingly, and emphatically denied Jesus. To deny Jesus _is_ to deny God's mercy. God rarely strikes, but when He does strike, He doesn't strike agnostics, atheists, or even those who've forgotten God through spiritual negligence. God strikes those who presently know Him, yet intentionally draw others away from Him, and antagonistically demand a sign from Him. If Korihor had been in a state of agnosticism, atheism, or even apostasy, then God wouldn't have struck him. Rather, Korihor was in a state of rebellion. God struck Korihor because he _knew_ better, but he had chosen to both rebel against God _and_ refuse God's offer of repentance. Those who reject God's mercy _must_ be subjected to God's justice. God's justice is talionic justice. It's written into the very fabric of reality, as a law of physics. "For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction." As children of God, we have been given a means of spiritually circumventing this Law - Jesus Christ. We do well in turning to Him.
Fascinating. Can you now do a video on why no one else can lift Thor’s hammer? Can you explain whether the hammer has transitive properties? Ie, if someone lifts Thor, and Thor is holding the hammer, would they not be able to”lifting Thor’s hammer? We know this has happened, so the issue cannot be the weight of the hammer. There must be some supernatural symbiotic connection between Thor and his hammer, which was a gift from Oden. Looking forward to seeing you post that video!
Why consider Mayan language when Mayan culture did not exist at the time. What of Hebrew language, and the five civilized nations of North America with roots in the same time period?
The parallels with ancient legal systems are interesting, but they miss the point. Alma preaches a forgiving Christ. Why is he then so reluctant to remove the curse and grant the same mercy offered to him? Perhaps there are reasons (e.g. Korihor is too great a risk to the political stability of the Nephite society - wanting to avoid another Ammonihah at all costs?), but not thinking through these or even worse just letting Alma off the hook leads to a nasty double standard (i.e., god will forgive some of the penitent but not others). I don't see why we can't read the account and say that Alma has questions to answer too.
Alma answered the question right there in he scripture… “54 Now when he had said this, he besought that Alma should pray unto God, that the curse might be taken from him. 55 But Alma said unto him: If this curse should be taken from thee thou wouldst again lead away the hearts of this people; therefore, it shall be unto thee even as the Lord will” So Alma left it to God’s will. So it was not for Alma to show mercy or not show mercy… that wasn’t his role at all… it is left for God o judge… so no nasty double standard to be found… Korihor was given multiple moments by Alma to not tempt God… and he still did, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away… this was all God’s doing in his wisdom.
@@danielmauricio8504 granted removing the curse wasn’t ultimately up to Alma but he played a key role in its instigation. Despite this, he doesn’t (from what is in the record) take up Korihor’s plea to even pray for its removal. This is strange given his father and others and prayed and fasted for him when during his ‘rebellious’ streak in his younger days. Instead of just ‘leaving it up to god,’ I wonder what would have happened if he had taken up Korihor’s invitation - would there have been a very different conclusion? And on the point of mercy - I take it take Alma was a Christian and that one the essential qualities of a being Christian is to show mercy and compassion.
@oasisoflasvegas7925 We shall see... but I am betting that yes, he has the opportunity to repent all the way up until the final judgment. We are promised that one day all people will know of the fulness of the gospel and have a clear understanding before they make their final choice to choose Christ or not... at least that is my understanding. I can't imagine our Savior judging us based on our mortal incapacity to understand fully especially since most of us have many harsh life experiences that can taint our perceptions of the gospel. Hope this helps. Keep in mind these are thoughts of an imperfect person, not doctrine until there are at least two prophets who confirm my thoughts.
The “clearly” is more subjective than anything else here… both theories are “clearly” still that, theories at this point. There’s lots of evidence but nothing truly definitive. Super fun to study and wonder tho… and it should definetly be pursued, but not proven yet.
This video is a testimony of the LDS church's misguided concept of justice and grace. No where in the video, does it mention that through Jesus Christ, all our sins are forgiven, even ones in which we don't deserve forgiveness. I'm surprised, anyone who truly studies the message of Jesus, as described in the four gospels, would think the premise and message of this video comports with Christian teaching. You are implying in this video, that and eye-for-an-eye mentality is morally sanctioned, especially if it comes from God (Korihor struck dumb....). Jesus didn't just suggest forgiveness, it was a conscience and intentional choice. He didn't demand repentance. He alluded to it, and spoke about it, but in the end, only through Him can you return to the father. This video's focus on non-Christian principles (talionic justice) as a guiding way to live your life is opposite of how Christ taught and lived. The presenter, the producers and the funders of this message should take a serious look at the exemplar of the Savior in the four gospels and compare it to the message in this video.
@@MD-cb8ov He alluded to it and talked about it for a reason. We don't reprimand a 5 yr old the same as we would a 25 yr old. I don't believe it is saying an eye for an eye. I do believe God's judgment is just.
Of course we are saved by Christ's grace! Your comment implies that you don't understand where this instance falls on the timeline of the gospel (approximately 75 years before Christ was born). Since it was before Christ's birth, the law of Moses was still in effect. The video isn't suggesting that the law of Moses and an eye-for-an-eye style of justice is justified or morally sanctioned today. No one teaching the book of Leviticus today, for example, would be sanctioning the Law of Moses in 2024 - They'd only be attempting to understand and explain God's laws prior to Christ replacing it with His higher law.
Korihor taught survival of the fittest and the Zoramites believed in that teaching. It was by those very people that he met his end. Thus he was punished by the very philosophy he formerly taught.
True! He taught that humans are like animals and the strong trample the weak... and what happened to him??? He became weak and was literally trampled down.
@@dinocollins720Wouldn’t this just prove his viewpoint to be correct?
Silly and vain is exactly what we hear atheists calling anyone who has any religious beliefs these days. So when judgement comes, they will find that their belief is silly and vain?
Another fantastic video! Thank you!
Thank you.
We do well to remember that Jesus _is_ God's mercy. God _couldn't_ show mercy to Korihor because he had knowingly, willingly, and emphatically denied Jesus. To deny Jesus _is_ to deny God's mercy.
God rarely strikes, but when He does strike, He doesn't strike agnostics, atheists, or even those who've forgotten God through spiritual negligence. God strikes those who presently know Him, yet intentionally draw others away from Him, and antagonistically demand a sign from Him. If Korihor had been in a state of agnosticism, atheism, or even apostasy, then God wouldn't have struck him.
Rather, Korihor was in a state of rebellion. God struck Korihor because he _knew_ better, but he had chosen to both rebel against God _and_ refuse God's offer of repentance. Those who reject God's mercy _must_ be subjected to God's justice.
God's justice is talionic justice. It's written into the very fabric of reality, as a law of physics. "For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction." As children of God, we have been given a means of spiritually circumventing this Law - Jesus Christ. We do well in turning to Him.
Well yeah.
Perfect explanation and I agree wholeheartedly!
Great thought! Christ will heal and save us... but we have to allow Him to do so!!!
Thank you, love this video. ❤️
Very interesting, thank you!
Satan entices us to step in a pile of poo and then deserts us, laughing. No poo for me!
Please do not follow signs, or ask for signs. Faith does not come from signs. Listen to and follow the voice of God. 🙏
Thank you this is very informative ❤
Thank You ❤
Fascinating. Can you now do a video on why no one else can lift Thor’s hammer? Can you explain whether the hammer has transitive properties? Ie, if someone lifts Thor, and Thor is holding the hammer, would they not be able to”lifting Thor’s hammer? We know this has happened, so the issue cannot be the weight of the hammer. There must be some supernatural symbiotic connection between Thor and his hammer, which was a gift from Oden. Looking forward to seeing you post that video!
Where are these clips being pulled from? Is this a movie?
The clips are from the Book of Mormon videos the church provides (the exact video is "All Things Denote There Is a God")
@@j.p.5726Thank you, but are you sure? I've searched Gospel Library and the Book of Mormon UA-cam channel and can't find it. Do you have a link?
The sign he was seeking was a disclosure of a temple sign.
My only question is why are we comparing Mayan linguistics? BOM didn’t take place in their territory
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I don't understand why being struck dumb would have prevented him from making a living? He could have farmed or hunted or made something.
@@kathrync829 It didn't. He couldn't make a living with actual work. Only through flattery and deception.
I have wondered that myself. Sometimes in the scriptures we only get the Readers Digest version of the story.
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Why consider Mayan language when Mayan culture did not exist at the time. What of Hebrew language, and the five civilized nations of North America with roots in the same time period?
@@indepcalifvoter it could be a remnant or influenced I think is what she’s getting at.
@@DBPCINC hard to tell. Just think Mayan language is not an appropriate comparison standard.
The parallels with ancient legal systems are interesting, but they miss the point. Alma preaches a forgiving Christ. Why is he then so reluctant to remove the curse and grant the same mercy offered to him? Perhaps there are reasons (e.g. Korihor is too great a risk to the political stability of the Nephite society - wanting to avoid another Ammonihah at all costs?), but not thinking through these or even worse just letting Alma off the hook leads to a nasty double standard (i.e., god will forgive some of the penitent but not others). I don't see why we can't read the account and say that Alma has questions to answer too.
Alma answered the question right there in he scripture…
“54 Now when he had said this, he besought that Alma should pray unto God, that the curse might be taken from him.
55 But Alma said unto him: If this curse should be taken from thee thou wouldst again lead away the hearts of this people; therefore, it shall be unto thee even as the Lord will”
So Alma left it to God’s will. So it was not for Alma to show mercy or not show mercy… that wasn’t his role at all… it is left for God o judge… so no nasty double standard to be found… Korihor was given multiple moments by Alma to not tempt God… and he still did, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away… this was all God’s doing in his wisdom.
@@danielmauricio8504 granted removing the curse wasn’t ultimately up to Alma but he played a key role in its instigation.
Despite this, he doesn’t (from what is in the record) take up Korihor’s plea to even pray for its removal. This is strange given his father and others and prayed and fasted for him when during his ‘rebellious’ streak in his younger days. Instead of just ‘leaving it up to god,’ I wonder what would have happened if he had taken up Korihor’s invitation - would there have been a very different conclusion?
And on the point of mercy - I take it take Alma was a Christian and that one the essential qualities of a being Christian is to show mercy and compassion.
Will Korihor be able to repent?
@oasisoflasvegas7925 We shall see... but I am betting that yes, he has the opportunity to repent all the way up until the final judgment. We are promised that one day all people will know of the fulness of the gospel and have a clear understanding before they make their final choice to choose Christ or not... at least that is my understanding. I can't imagine our Savior judging us based on our mortal incapacity to understand fully especially since most of us have many harsh life experiences that can taint our perceptions of the gospel. Hope this helps. Keep in mind these are thoughts of an imperfect person, not doctrine until there are at least two prophets who confirm my thoughts.
Depends on how much God had revealed himself to him. Jesus is the Judge at the Final Judgment, and only he is qualified.
Anything's possible - but it sounds to me like he knew already and chose to reject it anyway. It's hard to repent from that.
The Nephites were not in Central America.
There is more evidence to the contrary, with regards to your statement
@@devinhildebrandt2709 To what evidence are you referring? Please share.
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What’s the point of citing Mayan languages? You really need to move away from the clearly debunked claim of a mesoamerican setting for the BOM.
No prophet or apostle debunked it. I know because I have studied their words.
The “clearly” is more subjective than anything else here… both theories are “clearly” still that, theories at this point. There’s lots of evidence but nothing truly definitive. Super fun to study and wonder tho… and it should definetly be pursued, but not proven yet.
This video is a testimony of the LDS church's misguided concept of justice and grace. No where in the video, does it mention that through Jesus Christ, all our sins are forgiven, even ones in which we don't deserve forgiveness. I'm surprised, anyone who truly studies the message of Jesus, as described in the four gospels, would think the premise and message of this video comports with Christian teaching. You are implying in this video, that and eye-for-an-eye mentality is morally sanctioned, especially if it comes from God (Korihor struck dumb....). Jesus didn't just suggest forgiveness, it was a conscience and intentional choice. He didn't demand repentance. He alluded to it, and spoke about it, but in the end, only through Him can you return to the father. This video's focus on non-Christian principles (talionic justice) as a guiding way to live your life is opposite of how Christ taught and lived. The presenter, the producers and the funders of this message should take a serious look at the exemplar of the Savior in the four gospels and compare it to the message in this video.
@@MD-cb8ov He alluded to it and talked about it for a reason. We don't reprimand a 5 yr old the same as we would a 25 yr old. I don't believe it is saying an eye for an eye. I do believe God's judgment is just.
Of course we are saved by Christ's grace!
Your comment implies that you don't understand where this instance falls on the timeline of the gospel (approximately 75 years before Christ was born). Since it was before Christ's birth, the law of Moses was still in effect.
The video isn't suggesting that the law of Moses and an eye-for-an-eye style of justice is justified or morally sanctioned today. No one teaching the book of Leviticus today, for example, would be sanctioning the Law of Moses in 2024 - They'd only be attempting to understand and explain God's laws prior to Christ replacing it with His higher law.