Xenoblade Chronicles 3 - The True Lucky Seven (Sword of Origin Explained)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Seems like quite a few people got filtered by Lucky Seven for some reason, so here's a short explanation of the whole "Sword of Origin/Sword of the End" thing, how it is connected to Lucky Seven and why Riku talks about it the way he does in Chapter 5. Lore analysis
I love that despite it all, the game doesn't draw the line at "Moebius bad" and portray their ideas as completely evil just because they're the bad guys. Noah and Mio at the very end acknowledge that wanting to protect the present is a perfectly natural feeling, but what is truly against the game's themes is letting your 'present' get in the way of the future.
Enemy xbc1: the danger of wanting to control the future
Enemy of xbc2: the danger of living in the past
Enemy if xbc3: The danger of stagnation in the present
I mean… they *are* kind of portrayed as ‘moebius bad’ for most of the game. The turnaround with N and Z feels rather sudden and unearned with villains that literally treat them like toys and livestock. Yes, wanting to protect the present is a natural feeling, but I don’t see how their way of messing with the heroes at every step gets turned around into an understanding forgiveness for all that in the very last chapter only. The moebius ARE bad, but their reason for doing terrible things was not completely ludicrous.
@@skyhighlander6447 lots of one off moebius are just a bunch of comedically evil assholes but im talking about the ideal called 'moebius' rather than the consuls themselves who embody it at its most extreme.
@@skyhighlander6447 Well, their concept of life or death was kinda GANKED as mess because well to be fair, people would legit die then be reborn. They built what they thought was an infinite world. So death probably just doesn’t register all that much to them. It’s kinda like if your friends mom died but you see her at several different periods of your life. At some point she may die and you’d just laugh like “dang that’s how you went out this time”. Let’s say your friend seen her and found out she was alive but then of course she died in front you. Your reaction is to laugh maybe because you know she comes back but your friend goes absolutely BERSERK at you because he just found out his mom was alive but now she dies in front of him AGAIN. You both aren’t wrong, your friend simply doesn’t know why her death doesn’t matter that much. I’m just providing some perspective
@@hartfantom Fair enough… now that you bring that up, I would’ve liked if the heroes’ side had something to say on all their friends just coming back here and there out of nowhere. They go on and on about how their lives matter but once they find out about the rebirth and Mio is safe, they kind of seem to forget and suddenly start babbling about seizing the future and none of the ‘life’ stuff anymore, despite for example Miyabi’s return from the ‘dead’. Maybe they grow numb to death too, who knows.
Either way, doesn’t make Moebius any less obviously evil with how they oppress these people as livestock just for fun. They’re playing god all that time, treating it as a game, instead of putting any emphasis on ‘protecting the now’. It felt more like ‘protecting the status quo, keeping ourselves as absolute power’. N is the only consul that seemed set on the ‘endless now’ because of not wanting to lose M. Maybe some sidequests go into it, but them missing a concept of death doesn’t automatically lead to comical evilness. In that sense, moebius is pretty bad, I think only Consul N and the weird metaphysical nature of Z are less black and white in how the themes were handled.
Well, there´s also this side quest in Xenoblade Chronicles X in which you gather materials and help some nopon forge the legendary sword "Lucky 7"
So even that is a reference... incredible
I forgot this sidequest.
Wait what? Is that true? What's the quest called?
So... it's a cross dimensional sword from planet mira.
...you know that explains so much how z exists as a physical being
Correction: it's called Legendary Nopopopon and you gather materials from Nopon sage spirits. Basicallu archsages but dead.
My biggest problem with Lucky 7 is that nobody ever talks about it. It’s brought up a couple times in the story but everyone just kind of accepts that Noah has some mysterious weapon that can cut flame clocks.
There is a pretty neat detail when unsheate Lucky 7 in battle. When fighting against non human enemies Noah hits with the sharp edge but when you face a human enemy he changes to the blunt side. Shit must still hurt like hell though
They really went into that much detail? That's awesome, XC3 is so damn good.
I never noticed, that's awesome! Thanks for mentioning it!
I actually really like the way lucky seven functions in the story. While there is undoubtedly some symbolism I'm skipping over, I appreciate that the sword is just that, a sword. Yes, it's a sword that can cancel out, and sometimes even overpower the influence of moebius, but it functions mostly as a way for the gang to even the scales. The most important part of Lucky Seven is Noah. His desire to seek out a better future, even when presented with a nightmarish scenario and grief, is what allows him to use Lucky Seven to it's fullest. The sword is only as powerful as Noah's will. This is reinforced in both gameplay and writing. After drawing the true Lucky Seven, Noah is able to counter the powers of Moebius, i.e. when he and Mio resist X's attempt to nullify their interlink. Additionally, in gameplay Noah gains access to new, powerful talent arts. I really like this aspect of the game. I would like to learn about different symbolic elements regarding lucky seven.
it a sword modify with origin material and became a conceptual weapon
I can't help but feel like game play wise is goddamn busted once you max swordmaster
@@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32 Don't even need to max Swordmaster. The thing is busted the second you unlock it. It only gets more busted the later the game gets.
if anything it's more busted once you max out flash fencer and get capable hands with a 100% charged talent art
Yet surprisingly people hate it. Something about it just giving a message of just get lucky to the story. Which I can get. My personal opinion is that it’s fine-ish. Good or bad Luck especially when handled well can make a story a bit more interesting. Though in fairness narratively that is harder to do without it just looking like bad writing.
Not sure if anyone else has noticed but Noah’s arts when he unleashed Lucky Seven are based off Jin’s from Xenoblade 2 and Torna! You can even see Jin’s art naming scheme in N’s as well (i.e: Quantum and Empty Moment). The coolest case of this is that the talent art for Lucky Seven is Final Lucky Seven, which is a Smash combo art, same as Jin’s Heavenly Disrupt! Great way of exemplifing how similar these 3 characters are not just through the story but gameplay intergration as well!
Lucky seven's art also have Kanjis on their icons, just like a Monado. Also, there are 7 arts to use when unleashing the sword.
They also change depending on class
To add, only six are available at first, with the last one being unlocked near the end of the game. It's an art assigned to down on the d-pad.
Didn't want to talk over the game, so I only added some context and let the game do the talking.
Hopefully it is more kino this way.
Also about the name, if you upgrade Noah's weapon the name goes from Veiled Sword to Truthsinger.
Although its not made clear if Truthsinger is the red outer blade or the name for the whole thing with Lucky Seven included.
Truthsinger would make sense give Noah's ending speech about "this is the truth of our world" which encapsulated the purpose of the sword
Very kino
Very Nene
I like this video, it is indeed very kino!
Man wouldn't it be nuts if riku is another brother living in alcamoth town?
It’s clearly the name of the full sword. As the sword before that is basically ‘covered/protected sword’ in essence, it’s truth and meaning are hidden
My personal take on the many possible meanings of the Lucky 7 is, it shows that, sometimes, things need to be broken to move forward and not be stuck in place. It being a sword just makes it a tool to achive said breaking.
One of my gripes with the game was the Sword of Origin introduction because the other two Xenoblade games were quite explicit and well-reasoned when a sword powered up whereas the Sword of Origin kind of just appears. I think this video helps clarify things a bit more so I appreciate it.
I'm still not sure how I feel about it though as sometimes in media things should be made explicit and clear but that's just my opinion. Regardless, Noah's Sword is probably my favourite out of the 3 red swords and seeing him pull out Lucky Seven in cutscenes or gameplay makes me so hype.
Spoonfeeding story elements don't make a good story. This game makes things very clear through hints, foreshadowing, and showing rather than telling which is definitely better then just getting told everything like in a story for toddlers.
Yeah bro. This is why Hollywood writers have the characters literally talk to the camera and exposition dump cos people are can’t afford critical thinking.
I’d say it’s because logically, the sword has no reason to power up at all. If it was ‘just a sword’ then Noah wouldn’t suddenly be pulling it out of his chest in ouroboros form and wrecking shit when the sword is still just the same. They mostly went with symbolism over any sort of logic here, Noah learning to let go now allowing him to draw the true sword of the metaphor because it fits nicely with the theme they were going for: letting go and moving on versus living in the endless now. That’s why there’s no straight-up explanation: they don’t really seem to have one. Correct me if I’m wrong though, but this video gives an answer to the symbolism but not any actual logic that should allow the sword to function in a new way if it’s indeed ‘just a very sharp sword that really doesn’t magically react to plot moments’.
@@selfefan1 there’s a difference between spoon feeding and explaining. Regardless of if you understood it or not the large majority were confused as to the nature of lucky seven and the sword of the end. Both these swords make sense when given time to think about them, but if the game gave more time to explain it I do think it would be good. It wouldn’t be so bad that it’s toddler levels but some big extrapolating of the narrative has to be made to truly understand the concept of these swords and that’s when a in game explanation is necessary I think.
To be fair, the player should have the same level of understanding as the character their playing as or wake. It just doesn't make sense. The whole reason we are playing as these characters is to learn what they know as we are going along. If you finish the game and still scratching your head, it means the story wasn't told in a way everyone can understand, or the player missed vital I formation from the cutscenes
I may be overthinking this but I feel the 2 other names Lucky Seven goes by have "hidden" meanings on them
- Sword of Origin, teasing that It's the same material as origin
- Sword of the End, its purpose (like orogin) to destroy the endless now, the END of it
I had a theory where Riku's masterpon was Shulk and that he personally entrusted the sword to Riku before he died. And then i thought the name would come from the fact that we have seven party members in Xenoblade (with Fiora/Seven encluded). But that's already far fetched so i really like your theory on this.
How would Riku even live that long?
@@breadbouquet He also apparently knows Melia so who knows?
@@mrelectrodude9391 Riku would have to be 1000+ years old for him to know Shulk I doubt it
@@mrelectrodude9391 Do we know anything about this connection? I just finished the game and I was sure there would be some explanation of who Riku is and why he has and knows the things he does, but there was nothing lol
@@erbsenkrieger Riku and Melia once looked at one another like they knew each other... Considering people of Aionios get ressurected over and over, it`s possible this Riku is indeed very old. I`d say he`s one of 14 childrenpon of Riki (the mighty Heropon!) and indeed was tutored by Shulk long ago. It`s speculation, of course, but name similarity + his skill set is really fitting. Like, who could teach him both weapon and gem crafting? He could have been reborn many times, like others.
I have this crazy idea that truthfully is likely fueled by a desire of mine and someone might be able to shoot it down, my desire being that for the third and final game of the trilogy which is supposed to end the Klaus experiment story, a trilogy where there are three major beings with two of them being a major source of power the protagonists need to learn and grow to understand and be capable of wielding the power of, that the third and final game would feature the final being in a similar role.
The Lucky Seven is tied to Logos, it is to Logos as the blade rex yields is to Pneuma and the monando is to Ontos. As we know, in Alrest Logos was awakened as Malos and Pneuma as Mythra, Malos was awaken by Amalathus which leads to a chain of events that leads to him becoming an antagonist who needs to be stopped, but things could've gone differently had he been awaken by someone else with Klaus and Rex saying something along those lines in the final parts of xenoblade 2, he wasn't destined to become what he did it was the circumstances he was in that led to his personality.
What if xenoblade 3, even if we don't truly know it, Logos has been brought back in some way and his power is what makes the Lucky Seven so powerful? Logo's power is to destroy which is what Noah uses a number of times in the story to destroy things no other weapons could like the flame clocks, sure origin metal is strong and thats why it was used to make Lucky seven but we can upgrade the other party members weapons using origin metal to make them stronger but I don't think we get any implications that those weapons can become anywhere near as strong as the Lucky seven.
This then runs into the issue that Malos died at the end of Xenoblade 2. However, when Malos died he didnt simply poof away, many purple (the color he appears to be associated with and matches his core crystal's color) particles were floating around in the air like his physical presence was still lingering in the world in some way. Xenoblade 2 also showed us an important detail which was when the present day torna group kidnapped Pyra. Malos kidnapped Pyra because he had become greatly damaged in his battle with Mythra and he ended up using the data stored in her core crystal to repair himself back to his full capabilities. As the processors used with the conduit Ontos, Pneuma, and Logos contain extensive data like this and Pneuma being in the xenoblade 2 universe had the data necessary to repair Malos. But with the communications and increasing proximity of the two universes we have an interesting setup- Alvis. Coming from the xenoblade 1 universe, his connection seems to have been maybe not entirely but mostly cut off from the universe in xenoblade 2 at some point before Pneuma and Logos were awakened, which means Alvis has not stored data on Malos. Instead Alvis would have recoverable data on an earlier version of Logos that had not been through and became what Malos did. Alvis just didn't have the a physical presence to use that data on since Logos was physically in the xenoblade 2 universe.
The people from xenoblade 2 and Pyra/Mythra would likely be hesitant to potentially bring back the being that could become something like Malos again so why? If we consider the processors power and what use they would provide we can find an answer- Ontos can essentially run and use programs, Pneuma can create new programs and processes when necessary, and Logos can delete programs and processes when they're no longer useful or if they're malicious. Origin seems to be really powerful like a sort of artificial conduit, it could be possible that in order to run and utilize this incredible machine the Nia and Melia are supported by Pyra/Mythra and Alvis respectively. As the processors of the original conduit they would be capable of preforming this important task and would likely be trusted by their respective worlds, but this time they're running this processor without Logos. In xenoblade 3 we learn that peoples fears and doubts about the whole thing going on within origin were what caused the creation of Z and the moebius and that they took over the origin- because this is what happens when you remove the process responsible for deleting harmful programs from the operation. The people likely felt a lot of different emotions including non-harmful ones like hope and comfort in friends and family but they also naturally had fear but fear is a really strong emotion and if that runs through the machine a few times without anything removing it over time then it could build up with neither Ontos or Pneuma able to stop it. At some point, either before or at the start of Aionios, Alvis and Pyra/Mythra recognize the issue and communicate this in some way with the queens with the plan to use the data from Alvis' core crystal and whatever is left of Logo's physical being within 2's universe to bring Logos back to life but hopefully not hell bent on destroying everything like he was as Malos.
To make this plan work they need some sword to tie Logo's being to and origin metal is a strong material seemingly the closest thing to whatever was used to make the processors to begin with and a few talented Nopon are entrusted with this by the queens. Before they can succeed Melia is captured and Nia's access to the powers of Origin become very limited so we get stuck in the endless now but the other two Aegises already gave what they needed to the nopon leading to a long process of finishing Lucky seven the long cycle of events that take place in xenoblade 3.
Not sure how exactly this fits or where to put it but as an extra note, all three protagonists notably wield a red sword associated to a processor- shulk wields the monando, Rex when he wields Pyra's sword, and Noah wielding his blade. This is a common theme but isn't too important, what is important though is that the three processors have a color associated with them specifically their core crystals and our protagonists wield a version of their weapons that match their processor's color in some manner- Shulk is straight forward with Ontos having a red core crystal and the monando being red, pneuma is a little bit different since we have multiple versions of her weapons but notably her green core crystal fits in with Mythra's blade, IF Ontos is in some way then it could help explain something why the hell was N's weapon purple covered even before he became Moebius? Design wise it would be odd to just give him this before he became Moebius since it makes his sword very evil looking, but if it has something to do with Logos, whose associated color is also purple, then this could help provide some kind of explanation.
Ultimately imagine this, the trilogy finally ends off with the dlc, we finally see the full result of Klaus experiment and the worlds that come of it by finally bringing peace to the worlds after so much struggle and hardships. The very direct and physical representation of this with a scene of the three (or four with pyra) aegis siblings finally- after the space-time transition event that took away Ontos, the long struggle between Mythra and Malos that ended with what was the death of Logos, and the painful Neverending now of Aionios where Logos is essentially newly born to join in the struggle to free the worlds of his siblings, finally these siblings are now all back together standing before one another. I think this would be a wonderful visual representation of this long and incredible story coming to an end.
I absolutely adore this theory and I think it has a lot of weight behind it. Good job dude!
i accept this as truth
read this after Miik's seeker of power theory and DLC announcement and seeing how Malos is my favourite character from 2 I would love for this to be true
Noah just yelling “You’re full of shit” out of nowhere still catches me off guard. I think that’s the only time he swears like that.
Who else wanted Noah to pick up N’s lucky seven and dual wield them?
get his own form of Moebius armor and a cool helmet to go full tokusatsu
Not gonna lie, woulda been siiick. With Moebius merged with Ouroboros form.
I thought at first once N had passed the sword would fuse, especially given the two swords are literally the beginning and the end
So one thing I'm not sure many people have realized yet, because the game presents it as a riddle to make it a little less on-the-nose: the name of both the sword and Noah/Mio's child is Hope. The old city that N destroyed that was founded by their child's descendants is called Hope's Rest.
Can you elaborate?
That... Makes sense I think? Hope I could see being a name, for both a person and a sword, and he did name it after something he thought was lost ( something to that effect).
It wouldn't be out of the question either because people can retain shards and fragments from previous lives, something like a their kid's name would probably stick throughout the many terms. I think I would like direct confirmation, but other than that I think this explanation is good. Kudos for answering the riddle.
I just took it as Hope's Rest, as in that's where hope dies because that's where they publicly execute people who attempt to fight back in order to make an example of them. I don't think it was meant to have anything to do with N or his descendants .
@@pkbltz5272 It was called Hope's Rest before the original City was destroyed by N because it's where the resistance was and where they rested. After it was destroyed they used it as an execution ground for it's twisted irony.
This is how non-canon ideas start to perpetuate. Please don't present assumptions as fact, it only complicates things. We'll know the name once/if it ever gets presented in a DLC or something.
It's poetic how the sword of Origin is also called the sword of the End in it's raw form. Moebius K said the flame clocks were the symbol of life and the will to live. What could possibly destroy life itself? All things must come to an end even life and that's why Lucky Seven could break the flame clocks or at least the symbolism behind it.
[XC1/DE + XC3 spoilers]
I like to think of it as XC3'S version of the Monado III, something that only very few that possess the ability can gain through the manifestation of their goals and motifs, but that remains permanently within the world as a solid object once it has been created. Riku might have gotten it from a previous incarnation of Noah that left his behind after failing to bring N down, since we see in one of the flashbacks that one of the swords drops to the ground when the Noah carrying it dies.
Thank you for putting this out there, while I was going through, i felt like I was missing a part of the story, and this lets me understand what I was missing perfectly. Thank you.
Even then, it's all conjuncture because nothing really finalists it. Maybe in the doc to come will better explain
Lucky seven could also have a buddhist symbolism with the seven vertu. I don't know much about and it's maybe hard to understand with my (terrible) english level but what I remember is that buddhisme is about letting go death and accept peace. Whitch is what N didn't do.
Buddhism pretty much strongly emphasise on the concept "nothing is everlasting", which is fitting that Lucky Seven is capable of breaking the "endless now".
@@dood52751 thanks for confirm my thought.
Moebius K talked about how destroying the Flame clocks were impossible since it was the symbol of life and the will to live. The sword of the End can destroy it, symbolizes how all things must come to an end even life itself as nothing is eternal.
@@henrystan7797 okay thanks you as well
And the cycle of rebirth too. The final goal of buddhism is Nirvana the end cycle of rebirth the eternal peace.
I’ll never get over how Xenoblade 3 and Sonic and the Black Knight have the same central theme.
I’ll never get over that Xenoblade 3’s credits theme shares notes with Sonic 06’s ‘His World’.
Shut up I can’t take this
It's really quite simple, if you're a main character with a red blade in a xenoblade game and you go through character development then you get more super powers. Lucky 7 is just a means created by the queens to abuse this basic xenoblade axiom. Nia+Melia fucked up on their first go around and made N's sword all edgy and not-red so he was fated to be a failed grahf+kevin clone
Woohoo!!! THIS!
What i like is that it is M and N that kill Z. Not Noah and the gang. In short, N made the correct choice. Because just going through the cycle again was in fact not enough. In order for a good outcome in the end the bad path had to be chosen once. N was just unlucky.
Actually now where you mention it... In one of Noah and Mio's memories of their past lifes they made it all the way to the core of origin where Z resigned but failed to kill him. You're probably right or at least you have a point.
@@ze_darku_magician5504 I think the implication is Noah et al would have won at the cost of their lives and it’s because M and N happened that they got lucky and did not need to pay that cost
I was thinking that the sword that N carries is Z's monado, making him his driver, while the one Noah has is the monado of the entity that wants to move forward (the true Uroboros as Z is a true Moebious). I think that entity would be Riku, a nopon, allowing him to live outside of the clock system while still being part of the army, and that would be why he was there to give Noah the sword and why he knows so much and kind of keeps pushing him forward. That could explain why he knows Melia too.
Melia says that there are countless lives still inside origin that want to move forward, maybe they created another "god" in Aionios, or maybe they kinda are the reason for Noah, Mio and friends to still exist.
The only reason for the two swords to look the same, and kinda have the shape of a monado, that I can think of, is that they come from Origin, like being the same one sword but split in two, one for Moebious and one for Ouroboros, but originally meant to be just One monado from Origin. That's why there is no sword after defeating N, and why Noah got the Moebious inside of him too, transforming his Ouroboros Iris into a Ying Yang. I mean, like the theme of this is the duality of a person staying in the now and always moving forward. Ouroboros and Moebious come from the same place, and can go back to the same person. Both entities came from Origin, or from the people, and took the original monado to make two versions of it, being the sheaths what show the differences because they are at it's core the same monado.
IDK, I hope this makes any sense
A. Since when do Monados equal drivers? Pretty sure Zanza wasn't a Blade.
B. Noah's Blade isn't the anti-Moebius being's in any way
C. The closest thing to what you're talking about would be the Black Fog/Fog King, as its purpose is to remove outside influences on worlds. It causes Annihilations by removing Aionios' stopped time, so the material gets obliterated from the worlds' fusion, as well as it gathering near and attacking Moebius, as they are not of the world.
D. The half-Ouroboros half-Moebius eye is related to the infinity symbol, not Yin and Yang.
E. Nopon are still tied to their flame clocks, just can't accept Irises. The Nopon caravan is unaffiliated entirely, so they get around it all.
F. Noah and N's Blades are the red bit (or whatever you'd call N's equivalent) and Lucky Seven/Sword of the End aren't the Monado-esque bits (unless you consider any sword with a circle in it to be Monado-esque which kinda excludes Pyra's Blade weapon). The sheath is the red sword with the blue ether forming the edge, with a circular bit in the center just above the hilt.
G. Ouroboros are manufactured using Origin metal and Ether, Moebius draw power from Z who draws power from the Collective Unconscious. That'd be like saying Crys has an Ouroboros counterpart somewhere in the world, but that's not true since all 6 slots are taken by the party. Besides, Lanz and Taion and the others have no Moebius counterparts, it's not like they were split like Noah and Mio.
H. Origin isn't like Zanza or an Aegis, it's a giant construct to hold lives. Nothing in it would manifest a Monado or anything like it. In fact, the only reason there's Origin metal scattered about is because Origin is a little broken from Z. Lucky Seven was constructed by someone who was probably Shulk or a pupil (or pupils, maybe the ones who originally had the Ultimate Hammers were his/Tora's pupils) using Origin metal.
Sorry, most of this is plain wrong. I don't mean to be rude, but almost everything here is just incorrect. If you want to refute my claims, I've laid them out in a list for you to debunk step-by-step (though what I said is correct). I love your theory crafting, but a lot of it is based on misconceptions around how the Monado, Blades, and Ouroboros work.
@@KaroxNightshade A. The red monado in XC1 wasn't Zanza's It was Alvis', Zanza and Shulk were his Drivers. Alvis has the core cristal Mythra and Malos have, meaning he was a blade (although a god like one in that universe).
B. Why couldn't it be?
C. The black fog is the result of the worlds/universes colliding in slow motion, it is what starts happening to matter from Bionis and Alrest universes as they interact. The annihilation event is when the worlds actually collide and matter disappears.
I don't think the Fog King was supposed to be as connected to the black fog, given that it had shape and was able to possess creatures.
D. The Moebious simbol is the Infinity simbol. If you look closely to the simbol on the eyes of Noah and Mio, you'll see that it is shaped as a Ying Yang, it's just that the flames effect makes it hard to see it.
E. Nopons are never shown as part of the cycle of rebirth, nor they show their age tatoos, and Riku seems pretty mature by the time he gives the sword to Noah. They might be tied to a flame clock (I don't think so) but they don't die every now and then, nor Moebious has a tight grip on them, as Riku says he simply can ignore the calls and X mentions that the nopon were supposed to not interfere.
F. Yeah, the sheaths hiding the monado looking swords are their blades, but for whatever reason they have special ones and N's one has the Moebious symbol and looks like a Moebious monster, even before accepting being N. But the Lucky Seven looks the same for both of them. And I mostly say Monado looking because they look like Alvis' and Malos' Monados (yeah, a katana shaped blade with a circle at the base). Malos even has Monado Arts. I guess Mythra doesn't have a Monado looking sword just to differentiate the games when XC2 was supposed to not be related to XC1, although it might be for another reason.
G. I'm not sure which part of what I said are you trying to refute, but I never said that all of them had counterparts. And Ouroboros are not necessarily created with Origin Metal, as Nia says that it is just a trinket and the real power lies inside of them. Kinda like how the monados are described tbh.
H. Origin might be a giant construct to hold lives, but it gave birth to a god born from the Collective Unconscious fear of dead/annihilation/oblvion/the unknown. There might be one born from hope or there might have been one that encapsulated everything the Collective Unconscious holds, before Z. Maybe Lucky Seven might have been forged by nopon originally, but "became" the monado for Z and another being, as Monados can take different shapes depending on the wielder and they choose to make it look like L7 as it was special.
Thanks for making the points into a list :)
I would be lost otherwise
I love that lucky seven is the only "xenoblade" that doesn't have any unique powers it is just a really f*cking sharp sword
Lucky seven also represents the party, cause it didnt just take 7 nopons it takes 7 party members to win
Technically 8 since Riku and Manana are two people. For cannon reasons
@@tiensimon1263 they count as one party member, half a person
@@seankock7649 in-game, yeah, canonically two individuals
@@tiensimon1263 7 friends
@@Anarkyfloyd yes of course, we can count
"Will of the weilder"
Alvis in the noponic flesh
It's funny to think that 3's very own Endbringer was the red sword we had all along.
Theorizing here, Noah is Malos reborn and his sword is Malos's sword/the third Aegis. Alvis/Ontos = Creation, Mythra/Pneuma = Preservation, Malos/Logos = Destruction
Weirdly, I think this kind of works. Noah follows Malos' trend of dedicating himself to a single person and wanting to destroy the world. Plus it would explain why Noah and Mio are special in the system of Origin.
There is something really amusing about Malos reincarnating as a protagonist and then somehow ends up fated to fall for Rex's daughter.
I kind of hope your theory is correct and we end up with Noah and Mio being each other's Driver in the DLC.
Oh my goodness, even if that wasn't the intention, I'm going to accept that as Canon. I love that so much.
It would also tie in wondrously to the fact that this is the end of the 'Klaus' story
I always come back to this video cause the editing is so kino. Music is timed perfectly with how you stitched the scenes together and the order you put them in makes the thesis of the video clear.
Damn the sword is sooo much more subtle in its meaning than the two previous swords in the series I really like that
The more I play this game and research about it, the more amazed I get with it.
Makes me wanna dive deeper into the other 2 xenoblade games to find deep stuff like this.
So what you're saying is Riku is Citan Uzuki
The chadapon one day will use fenrir omnigear
LOL
Geez lol, thanks I totally missed all of that. This really recontextualizes a lot.
2:54 Origin was meant to preserve the worlds of 1 and 2. Either by rebooting them post destruction or by stopping them merging. Origin was NEVER meant to destroy.
Also it's directly stated that Noah's sword is "forged in resonance with the Keves queens heart".
It also is made out of the same metal as Origin which Nia grows with her core. At least the Agnian half. So however the metal was formed for Keves it's likely lucky 7 comes from that side and N's sword the other.
Also in the hero roster Noah's sword is known as veiled sword. But if you do the upgrade quest it changes to Truthsinger. This is the only weapon (except arguably Mondo) that sounds like it has a proper "name". Noah claims that he renamed the sword something personal right? Well, while training under Crys he was told that Crys wanted to hear the truth of his emotions through the music he played. So I'm reasonably sure that Truthsinger is what he renamed the sword.
Origin was meant to let the worlds be destroyed so it can rebirth them. It's just that Moebius interrupted the destruction part of the process. Sure it's ultimate purpose is rebirth but to do that it needs the destruction to play out first
@@miiks...5...3...9... except the fact it did the exact opposite of that. We see it push the worlds apart. It does the opposite of what it's claimed to do.
@@samreddig8819 it lets the two worlds annihilate themselves and than creates two seperate worlds.
It's exactly the same as the Interlink leading to annihilation events
@@miiks...5...3...9... the world's reaction to each other was clearly based of matter and antimatter. Which as shown in game requires a collision to destroy each other.
But at the end of 3 we see that they're physically pushed apart. We've seen the annihilation effect before. The way they're depicted is clearly not the same.
I'm probably missing something but as I see it, Lucky Seven/Sword of Origin works on a physical level in the same way as Origin itself.
We know that the sword is made of he same stuff as Origin wich besides the name of the material and how the machine barely works, we know nothing, but what we know is that up until Noah's breakdown, Lucky 7 was simply a really sharp sword that could cut through Ferronises's flame clocks , which perhaps are also made of Origin metal.
As pointed out in the video only when Noah decides to move on, to accept Mio's death and carry on her wishes its when he can unleash the Swords true power.
In other words, only when Noah's intentions fully aligned with those of Origin's purpose, to create a brand new future and world for everyone; is that he can do those crazy things when he unseathes Lucky Seven.
And for the last, the Sword of Origin, most likely when Noah and Mio use the full powers of Lucky 7 in Ouroboros form or when they are in perfect synch, which is pretty much a parallel of what Origin tries to achieve, its powers are cranked up to 11 allowing them to override even the forced order of Aionios and do things such as restoring Miyabi's memories even though Y stated that wasn't possible.
I feel like Xenoblade Chronicles 3 story elements were intentionally left vague for the DLC which is kinda sad
Is the "The fear of the future" just the interpretation Origin gave to the fear of disappearing/die that the people from both worlds had?
I mean, Origin is a fucking machine and maybe took that fear literally and stagnated everything trying to preserve "the endless now", were everything is "fine" and alive.
I remember wondering what kind of significance it was going to have, and then it ended up having... none? It's unaffected by Moebius, so I assumed that it was just made by Nia in the same way the Ouroboros was. Nothing special there, just a material that Moebius can't affect. Origin wasn't designed to "destroy", it was designed to preserve, and then recreate, life.
Monado? Sword of the Bionis, aka the sword of the creator of the universe.
Aegis? Again, created by the creator of the universe, manifested according to the rules he set up.
Lucky Seven? It's just a cool sword.
And Riku implied that there were more like it, which I took to mean that the original Ouroboros each had their own weapon, all made out of the same anti-Moebius material.
If your take on it is correct, then the entire game is horrifically depressing. I mean, it already is (that ending, holy shit), but it's the first time that the main goal isn't the preservation of life or saving the world. Your goal is to destroy the world. Maybe that was the intent, but it just feels so wrong that I can't accept that.
^ Moebius in the making here, guys
Meobius behavior
Melia (or rather, Melia’s robot) says “ouroboros abhors this world” when you meet her in chapter 4
She was right.
In the flashback we see Noah dies leaving the sword to his kid. This child also present in the flashback. Hence we can assume that the sword has been passed through generations until the time it returned to Noah.
Where does the Sword come from?
We know Tora still alive and helps makes Origin for Agnus, so safe to assume that Shulk is still alive as well. Shulk is smart enough to make his own Monado so he probably makes the Sword of Origin while he helps build origin for Keves. This js just speculations.
Oh just thought about Lucky seven but missed the point about his symbolism. Also, that's why Noah throw the weapon at the end, meaning she has made her time, and all things in a world that moves on must end. Rather than keeping it as a memory, she has to end.
what happened to your other lucky seven vid? the one titled "origin, lucky seven, and the sword of the end".
I took the whole sword of origin/lucky seven/etc... things like mere gimmicks, a bit like the monados and aegis swords.
The true power doesn't come from the swords.
After 2 games, it seemed obvious to me (but maybe I'm wrong).
If it was just a sword, I’m still confused as to why it randomly gives Noah this new attack when interlinked, plus being able to resist X’s scepter. It wouldn’t randomly start powering up just because Noah now makes the ‘right’ decision to let go instead of trying to save lives… which admittedly in itself sounds a bit morbid. For being ‘just a sword’ it does some magical boosh whenever the story feels like it should, huh? At least it has timing behind it that makes some sense in the story.
I’m starting to see that most of these big moments come down to metaphors: Noah and co being the metaphor for ‘going forward’ and moebius and the consuls (rather obviously since it’s literally said in the game) standing for ‘the fear for the future, not being able to move on’. N here is the guy who just couldn’t find the strength to move on with the thought of losing Mio, and Noah is then the alternate version that *does* learn to move on and go forward.
Too bad it loses a lot of it’s intended meaning because Mio isn’t actually dead at all. Noah makes a choice, but he doesn’t have to see it through. He doesn’t have to ‘fight it alone’ and prove his resolve, he gets to have it all and doesn’t really have to prove that he can let go until the very end. It could’ve been a powerful message but instead the game chose for metaphors upon metaphors, seemingly forgetting the human aspect of it all. It’s like I’m now seeing two concepts fighting it out, instead of two characters holding on to their own beliefs.
Might also feel that way because of how preachy Noah gets in the last chapters, spouting a lot more vague inspirational stuff about hope, free choice and ‘the world’. He seems more like a concept than Z at some times! Say what you will about Rex, at least he felt like a character when he was having his moments instead of a walking metaphor.
Ah well, might be looking too deep into it.
What I don't get is that this Noah, as he said, is just lucky, really... Out of all his incarnations, this one was just lucky with circumstance.
X's scepter doesn't work because Mio is part Moebius.
@@user-tf9wo7dd9b Ohhh yeah, almost forgot about that.
I still don't get it. How does the sword thats only sharp metal turn into a magical anime sword with powers?
Rikus is Riku, just common variety nopon.
Biggest lie in Xenoblade history
I didn't even know sword vibrated in beginning with first encounter with moebius till watch it again lol
Oh, that's a good point, when the two fought, the blade resonated with the nearby hidden Mobius, with the inconsistent nature of the sound during the fight, most noticeable to Mio, was due to the weapon pointing in different directions constantly. I wonder if that detail can be used to try to pinpoint where D was hiding prior to his appearance during the fight, looking at the cutscenes.
Mio comments on the sound of the vibration, if you pay attention. She can hear it due to her heightened sense of hearing.
I was expecting the true name of the lucky 7 to be "the xenoblade" not gonna lie
Idk if anyone has seen this, but if you open up settings in the games menu, click on hero roster and then Noah, it says weapon - truthsinger
I'm not sure what relevance it has
That's only post upgrade quest. It's "veiled sword" before that.
That said I think Truthsinger is what he named it.
I definitely think Lucky Seven is connected to the Aegis’ if not is an Aegis itself
My theory is that it’s Alvis
Even if it does have deeper meaning, I like how we go from the Monado, which was a big magical godly special sword with direct powers, to Lucky Seven which is just really sharp and serves more of a thematic purpose.
In my headcanon Noah named his sword Joran in honor of his deceased friend
Noah changed the swords name before Joran died
@@mww7057 not necessarily. He said that he didn't like the name and wanted to change it at some point but wasn't sure yet
Can we all agree that the name of the sword is Zanza?
This is mostly all true, except for Origin’s purpose. The purpose of Origin was to find a way to get past the annihilation of the merging worlds, whether by stabilizing, separating, or joining. This is why Moebius exists, as it is something that Origin produced with some purpose
Wasn't the method that Origin was to use, a sort of recreation of everything? Thought explanations were pretty explicit about that.
@@Darca1n overall yes, but like a conduit it was meant to do what was necessary to save the worlds above all else. This is why the worlds could split at the end, and why Moebius could come about at all
Few questions on Blackblaze Dirk is he a reincarnation of Mumkhar? will he be just a serial killer who lacks 1000 of years of Kombat experience in the dlc?
I'm not sure, the weapon choice and brutality definitely evokes Mumkhar imagery, but he was Agnian, so technically not?
@@Emboarbof but I'm talking more Multiverse reincarnation where your born anywhere and with a different body. Like Mumkhar die in 1 but we fought his soul one more time before the final Boss. And after that he passed over and got reincarnated into 2s
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3:06 so that explains why he threw the sword away I still don't understand it
Noah never wanted to fight. That's the reason when he took so long to summon his blade originally. Him throwing the sword away is showing that he fulfilled his job and created a future where they no longer have to fight
@@taylormaddox5198 ahh okay thanks I thought of it a bit considering him as a person but yea you piecing it all together makes sense thank you.
Okay, so… why does N ALSO have lucky seven? Did Riku give it to him, too?
soo why is there 2 sword of the end then if it is one of it kinds since both Noah are the possessor of the sword
N and Noah are literally the same conciousness split into two schizo halves. Similar to Pyra and Mythra
Does anyone know the song that plays around 2:00 min mark?
I'm pretty sure it's not that deep. Later on, Nia tells that Ouroboros stems from origin metal and her, while origin metal and Melia's power creates the sword of the end, which an older Noah (he's always bad at names) named lucky seven. When drawn normally, it gives great power, but if drawn while in Ouroboros form, it combines with Nia's aspect of Origin and forms the complete thing. You can see Origin in the hilt of the sword. The reason N can use it too is because he's a Moebius and was likely given that power by Z, not wielding the real Sword of the End
I still don't get it. Can someonw please clarify further?
I refuse to not call it the Xenoblade
Origin is as powerful as the conduit/Zohar since it can make a universe and separate two again. The sword is made from a shard of origin. The only metal that can survive the combination of matter and anti-matter. It’s probably more powerful than the other two “monados” from the other games.
So in the end its still called lucky seven 🤦🏿♀️
Truthsinger
in case of doubt or plot hole just" meh-meh"
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It was an interesting concept, but terrible writing in the dialogs. Could have been the translation, young writers who don't really understand life, or just trying too hard. Hope and Change are subtexts, NOT THEMES. They make for terrible themes, especially in dialog because they are vanilla and low concept (any ameteur can write a story about 'hope', not to mention the idea doesn't actually have any power, it's pure fantasy). It's like making a super hero movie about strength and speed - no one cares. It's who the hero is and how he transforms as a character that makes the story. People aren't stupid - they know an interesting character when they see one. Noah's character is really shallow as presented, unfortunately. He just preaches sermons and acts shocked all the time. It's really unfortunate.
Noah isn't shallow, he's stoic. It's careful characterization that seems a bit lost on you atm. He's careful in how he presents himself because attitude has been a killer for those around him. Joran's obsessive desire to be a hero, Garvel's desire for control and power, Mwamba's excitement for his homecoming. All of these intense desires ended in these people's deaths. Noah understands the underlining issue of what put these people in a position to die and he describes the homecoming ritual as built upon a pillar of corpses, he exists believing either way he is truly trapped within a cycle of death from the beginning. Once he becomes oroboros his vision of the end has changed, he's living his own future, not the now moebius designed, giving him the means to call upon the true power of "lucky seven" (or hope). And at the very end when hope is no longer needed to change the future, because it has been obtained, he lets go of hope. This tool of hardship, clung onto by N, who was unable to let go until M's gambit payed off and he was faced with the fact that M is gone. He could only lie to himself, that's why he has a sword of the origin, he has let go not by his own choice, but hers.
Wow you really didn't understand the story and writing and it tells lol. Tetsuya Takahashi has been writing big JRPGs since the 90s and is the main guy behind every Xeno- franchise. He isn't exactly an "amateur" lol
@@Cue-Ball. Takahashi doesn't write everything. He certainly didn't translate it. He doesn't even design all the characters. He primarily works on the world building and concept. I'm not convinced Takahashi wrote the dialog, nor did he develop the villains. Not his style. If he did, he needs to retire. The villains were boring, trite, and completely stupid. The story has numerous flaws and for a series ending scenario, makes only small attempts to tie up past events and missing character arcs.
Story still a lot down, nowhere as good as the previous two games.