It’s amazing to think of the dramatic irony in that the DHARMA Initiative was formed in a mission to prevent mankind exterminating itself in the midst of the Cold War and threat of nuclear apocalypse… and in the end the DHARMA barracks ended up being built over the very object of what they were trying to stop. For all their peaceful attempts, beneath them all that time lay the very thing they were trying to undo and they had no idea it was there all along. The idea that on the surface was this perfect utopian society but beneath lay a nuclear bomb that could literally destroy it all at any moment - that’s a perfect microcosm of the modern world - for all our attempts to make the world a safer better place, all the while we still have these weapons just existing all around us, they might be out of sight but still they are there. It’s chillingly on point, haunting and powerful. Such a simple yet another great dramatic irony from the writers!
I particularly love the irony that DHARMA came to the island to prevent humanity destroying itself through environmental damage and war, yet ended up engaging in those exact behaviors on the island itself.
Thanks! I feel like for every season I get more confident in this format, branching out more and more ideas. I'm very happy with this season and glad people enjoy it :)
I really love the compass 'mystery'. Don't really need to have an explanation for it, though I love that you have one (of course you do!). The show has more than one paradox of that nature, anyway. To me, it just shows that everything on LOST happens the way time or destiny or whatever had intended. As for it getting rusty... Maybe the loop is not infinite and time does run out after all, eventually. Kind of a depressing thought, to be honest. The Giacchino-inspired music really messes me up. Especially because... I kind of like it? Really shows how far that director was willing to go to pay tribute to LOST, I suppose!
I made a Time Travel video a few years back not specific to Lost, on which a user by the name of Volvagia0slayer commented their headcanon that as the compass decayed over the years, Richard would have replaced its components piece by piece. Which would mean the compass is a Ship of Theseus like object, which fits quite well in the show thematically. It also sounds to me like what Damon might have been referring to when talking about what they wanted from the props department being too complicated. That is far and away the best in-universe explanation for the compass I've ever encountered. The _concept_ of the compass still has no origin (in the way we define and understand that word) while avoiding the problem of violating the second law of thermodynamics. So it keeps the thematic significance you like, without being an in-universe plot hole. I understand that many stories like the ones you cited are purely allegorical in nature and not everything is meant to make literal sense in-universe. (Lynch really is the ultimate example of that.) And I love many such stories. But Lost is a story that works on allegorical levels *and* on an internally logical one, which I really respect. The idea of a physical object immune to the laws of physics doesn't fit with every other _intentional_ (so excluding minor bloopers and continuity errors) storytelling choice making diegetic sense. I don't know if you ever checked out my time travel video since it wasn't specific to Lost, but in it I go fairly deep into the science and philosophy behind this stuff. One of the things I touch on is how information without origin does not violate the known laws of nature, while an object failing to decay absolutely does. Oh, also, reagrding 14:25... I think "Locke" knew full well where Richard's group was and would have just told Ben so. Just like how he told Ben he knew where to find the monster.
I might have seen it, but I would gladly go back and re-watch it. Thanks for the compliments! And regarding "Locke" and Richard's group. That's actually a good, and simpler, theory. I didn't think of it that way.
Another great video! Looking forward to the finale breakdown! I like your theory about two-compasses - it's not one that's crossed my mind before. I've generally gone with a concept similar to the time turner in Harry Potter, in that when turning back time, you de-age (at least in the instance that a death eater's head reverts back to being a baby's head when its caught in time turner sand during the climax of HP Book 5). This would posit that when travelling backwards, the compass would 'de-age' (and de-rust etc) as well as similarly re-aging and re-rusting if it went back into the future. I like this in that it looks like an impossible loop but that it has a reasonable explanation, depending on each viewer's suspension of disbelief.
That's another great way of looking at it. Also, the climax in the Department of Mysteries is so wild and when the Death Eater's head turns into a baby, I always laugh. Especially when there's so much chaos going on, when they constantly go in and out of rooms.
@@Choekaas With 10 hours between me and my comment, this does now sound silly given that people themselves don't de-age/age when travelling through time, but there could be an element of time travel affecting living beings/humans differently than inanimate objects. And yeah, the baby-head is hilarious, hopefully they'll do it justice in the TV show since the movies skipped a lot about what made the trip to the DoM fun.
You do good lost! The only add on to the show that needs to be covered is the story of the man in black. Not a remake the o.g story told from his perspective
Thanks. No, sorry, I don't have a list. When writing the script for this video I was going through my memory thinking of various movies I had seen. I also wanted to do a bit about "The Incident"-movie, since I watched it a few years ago and thought about it again.
4:08 timestamp is two of the numbers! 😮 I don't think amy is Amelia bc wouldn't she have evacuated during the events leading up to the incident like miles & Charlotte's mothers? 🤔
I feel as though the compass exists as a miracle of the Island. When it travels to the past in 1954 with Locke, the Island restores it the same way it restored Locke's legs. It restores it to an earlier point in its existence, before it rusted.
I think the trajectory was not 100% straight in that scene and they landed on one of the stairs after one loop, but yeah, I think that they would accelerate.
I think we need from lost producers more anwers about daniel, how he believes why they dont belong in 1977, in my opinion daniels theory is false he was going to erase his actions when he went to desmond to go find his mother and to fulllfil the tapestry of time that the island wanted. Although the tapestry of time is to have daniel dead and jack failing, Whatever happened happened, no changes in the past nor the future, there is only one tapestry for everyone to fullfil. sayid shoting ben is ome of them but how did daniel was sure that they didnt belong there?
Interesting theory about Ben asking if Richard is at the Temple and someone says about the Other group.. But i remember that Locke/MIB asked Richard something when he asked permission to give a speech he asks Richard "Is this everyone?" "And Richard says something "There is another group at the Temple but..." Interesting also the Horace thing and that his jacket was left there and he was not seen..
Yeah, my idea is more that they didn't go inside the temple, just briefly inside the wall and spoke to one of the guards. MIB probably knows about Dogen being in charge of the pool of light in the Temple, but Locke doesn't, so MIB-Locke probably plays along on the lie that Locke.
@@Choekaas Yeah okay get the point. But still he would have known that there was another group at The Temple? And not have to ask Richard.Maybe Ben also told Richard that they asked some guard at the Temple where they were..
@@Jultomten630 True. Getting-Lost mentioned a different theory on the matter, that MIB-Locke just led the way and he "knew" where Richard's group was - like where the monster was in "Dead is Dead"
It’s amazing to think of the dramatic irony in that the DHARMA Initiative was formed in a mission to prevent mankind exterminating itself in the midst of the Cold War and threat of nuclear apocalypse… and in the end the DHARMA barracks ended up being built over the very object of what they were trying to stop. For all their peaceful attempts, beneath them all that time lay the very thing they were trying to undo and they had no idea it was there all along.
The idea that on the surface was this perfect utopian society but beneath lay a nuclear bomb that could literally destroy it all at any moment - that’s a perfect microcosm of the modern world - for all our attempts to make the world a safer better place, all the while we still have these weapons just existing all around us, they might be out of sight but still they are there.
It’s chillingly on point, haunting and powerful.
Such a simple yet another great dramatic irony from the writers!
I particularly love the irony that DHARMA came to the island to prevent humanity destroying itself through environmental damage and war, yet ended up engaging in those exact behaviors on the island itself.
Fully agree! Fantastic dramatic irony
It could be a function of the season you're covering but this is hands down your best season of videos.
Thanks! I feel like for every season I get more confident in this format, branching out more and more ideas. I'm very happy with this season and glad people enjoy it :)
Great explanation with the compass!
Everyone be sure and check out the film ‘Timecrimes’! Such a great movie and major inspiration for Lost’s time travel rules
I really love the compass 'mystery'. Don't really need to have an explanation for it, though I love that you have one (of course you do!). The show has more than one paradox of that nature, anyway. To me, it just shows that everything on LOST happens the way time or destiny or whatever had intended. As for it getting rusty... Maybe the loop is not infinite and time does run out after all, eventually. Kind of a depressing thought, to be honest.
The Giacchino-inspired music really messes me up. Especially because... I kind of like it? Really shows how far that director was willing to go to pay tribute to LOST, I suppose!
Great video, man! Keep it going🙏
I made a Time Travel video a few years back not specific to Lost, on which a user by the name of Volvagia0slayer commented their headcanon that as the compass decayed over the years, Richard would have replaced its components piece by piece. Which would mean the compass is a Ship of Theseus like object, which fits quite well in the show thematically. It also sounds to me like what Damon might have been referring to when talking about what they wanted from the props department being too complicated.
That is far and away the best in-universe explanation for the compass I've ever encountered. The _concept_ of the compass still has no origin (in the way we define and understand that word) while avoiding the problem of violating the second law of thermodynamics. So it keeps the thematic significance you like, without being an in-universe plot hole.
I understand that many stories like the ones you cited are purely allegorical in nature and not everything is meant to make literal sense in-universe. (Lynch really is the ultimate example of that.) And I love many such stories. But Lost is a story that works on allegorical levels *and* on an internally logical one, which I really respect. The idea of a physical object immune to the laws of physics doesn't fit with every other _intentional_ (so excluding minor bloopers and continuity errors) storytelling choice making diegetic sense.
I don't know if you ever checked out my time travel video since it wasn't specific to Lost, but in it I go fairly deep into the science and philosophy behind this stuff. One of the things I touch on is how information without origin does not violate the known laws of nature, while an object failing to decay absolutely does.
Oh, also, reagrding 14:25... I think "Locke" knew full well where Richard's group was and would have just told Ben so. Just like how he told Ben he knew where to find the monster.
I might have seen it, but I would gladly go back and re-watch it. Thanks for the compliments!
And regarding "Locke" and Richard's group. That's actually a good, and simpler, theory. I didn't think of it that way.
Fantastic one.
Another great video! Looking forward to the finale breakdown!
I like your theory about two-compasses - it's not one that's crossed my mind before. I've generally gone with a concept similar to the time turner in Harry Potter, in that when turning back time, you de-age (at least in the instance that a death eater's head reverts back to being a baby's head when its caught in time turner sand during the climax of HP Book 5). This would posit that when travelling backwards, the compass would 'de-age' (and de-rust etc) as well as similarly re-aging and re-rusting if it went back into the future. I like this in that it looks like an impossible loop but that it has a reasonable explanation, depending on each viewer's suspension of disbelief.
That's another great way of looking at it.
Also, the climax in the Department of Mysteries is so wild and when the Death Eater's head turns into a baby, I always laugh. Especially when there's so much chaos going on, when they constantly go in and out of rooms.
@@Choekaas With 10 hours between me and my comment, this does now sound silly given that people themselves don't de-age/age when travelling through time, but there could be an element of time travel affecting living beings/humans differently than inanimate objects. And yeah, the baby-head is hilarious, hopefully they'll do it justice in the TV show since the movies skipped a lot about what made the trip to the DoM fun.
You do good lost! The only add on to the show that needs to be covered is the story of the man in black. Not a remake the o.g story told from his perspective
Amazing video as always. Do you have somekind of list of movies/shows containing impossible things like compass in Lost?
Thanks. No, sorry, I don't have a list. When writing the script for this video I was going through my memory thinking of various movies I had seen. I also wanted to do a bit about "The Incident"-movie, since I watched it a few years ago and thought about it again.
@Choekaas Ok Gues I will ask chatgpt
4:08 timestamp is two of the numbers! 😮
I don't think amy is Amelia bc wouldn't she have evacuated during the events leading up to the incident like miles & Charlotte's mothers? 🤔
I feel as though the compass exists as a miracle of the Island. When it travels to the past in 1954 with Locke, the Island restores it the same way it restored Locke's legs. It restores it to an earlier point in its existence, before it rusted.
Nice thinking!
that was really impressive. incredible deep dive. I'm wondering if those keys in "The Incident" keep accelerating as they warp back up to the top.
I think the trajectory was not 100% straight in that scene and they landed on one of the stairs after one loop, but yeah, I think that they would accelerate.
Another awesome video!
I will have to watch that movie
The fake Giacchino music was really messing with my head!
I know right!
I think we need from lost producers more anwers about daniel, how he believes why they dont belong in 1977, in my opinion daniels theory is false he was going to erase his actions when he went to desmond to go find his mother and to fulllfil the tapestry of time that the island wanted. Although the tapestry of time is to have daniel dead and jack failing,
Whatever happened happened, no changes in the past nor the future, there is only one tapestry for everyone to fullfil.
sayid shoting ben is ome of them but how did daniel was sure that they didnt belong there?
Interesting theory about Ben asking if Richard is at the Temple and someone says about the Other group.. But i remember that Locke/MIB asked Richard something when he asked permission to give a speech he asks Richard "Is this everyone?" "And Richard says something "There is another group at the Temple but..."
Interesting also the Horace thing and that his jacket was left there and he was not seen..
Yeah, my idea is more that they didn't go inside the temple, just briefly inside the wall and spoke to one of the guards. MIB probably knows about Dogen being in charge of the pool of light in the Temple, but Locke doesn't, so MIB-Locke probably plays along on the lie that Locke.
@@Choekaas Yeah okay get the point. But still he would have known that there was another group at The Temple? And not have to ask Richard.Maybe Ben also told Richard that they asked some guard at the Temple where they were..
@@Jultomten630 True. Getting-Lost mentioned a different theory on the matter, that MIB-Locke just led the way and he "knew" where Richard's group was - like where the monster was in "Dead is Dead"
@@Choekaas Okay yeah that sound good too.