@@Reaper13-hi3yo ah yes the roids made him the goat, not like Larry didn’t call him a God his rookie season or anything. Rookie dropping 63 on 5 hall of famers. Unheard of
@@johndavis4060This isnt a goat debate. I am just stating the facts. MJ gained 15 lbs of pure muscle in one offseason at 29 years old without sacrificing any skill or finesse in 1989. Why this is just swept under the rug is beyond me.
Man U all think it was jus mj many teams had plans for all the stars and there fouls it was 80’s ball…mj was a big puss he cried to his daddy stern well documented. mj narrative is funny af mj fans r the biggest females in the world for mj. Watch….
@@johndavis4060nobody said anything about that, it's just speculation just like how people speculate that LeBron took PEDs too. 15 lbs of muscle in 3 months is insane though. It could just be hate because people love to hate on the best players like LeBron, MJ, and Kobe, KD, Curry, etc.
People loves to talk more about kobe's work since he ain't gifted as jordan when he starts. Its like jordan trains to be a stronger god and kobe trains to be a god.
@@estaff828 yup. As if Jordan was the only player who overcame a nemesis. Isiah Thomas overcoming the Celtics was another one where it took years of losing to them. It was the right of passage all the way to the Bulls. Unfortunately, after them, no team was next and they just went into the sunset with the reigns. It should've been Shaq and Orlando next, but instead of coming back, he left. That robbed us of probably 2-3 more seasons of a rivalry and who knows, Jordan likely would've stuck around if he traded losses with Orlando.
Bro you talkinglike detroit aint still had a winning playoff record against him... and he literally could only score with his right hand.. yall be sitting here saying bron wouldnt dunk all over the whole nba back then like he doing now???? Jordan at his heaviest and strongest point was never as big and strong as even a first cleveland run lebron
@@shawnknowles4356 You must be talking about MJ in the beginning. So you must be talking about the same MJ that scored 3000+ points in one season. Something leflopper has not and never will do. But they give yall the longevity stats for leflopper so yall can say nobody ever scored more total points when he played longer than everyone else😂
@ryancruz3143 horrible take. They didn't go from 2x NBA Champs to washed the next year with the same roster. They went to the ECF the following year. Teams just figured out how to deal with them and the roster and coach changed.
@gunfu4481 na, the team was a 5 man unit and although some of there parts where enough to get to the ecf, they lambeer and dumars were already on the decline. Mj beat them but his sword was build on the grindstone that was the Detroit pistons
@@gunfu4481 everyone knew that were washed at the beginning of the series. Vegas set Jordan to be -275 that series. Pistons got swept appropriately and never made playoffs again w/ their “core roster”
Dude got stronger and still kept his explosiveness. He’s the goat, the other self proclaimed one would cry against such physicality and plot to switch side and form another super team 😂
I love how people (millennials) say that that era was weak and full of plumbers. Let me tell you something, I grew up in that era and it was ridiculous talent then. The way Jordan was limping in the video was just a sample of coming into the paint. The motto back then was "come into the lane, you're gonna get pain". There was ALWAYS someone draped on you, hand checking you, pushing or pulling your arm when you went to shoot or clobbering you when you went inside. This were common fouls in my time. I lifted just like he did just to be ready for certain teams. I did NOT want anyone to have any advantage over me at all! I'm still like that and I'll be 47 this year. I need to be ready to go at any time, anywhere. I'm wired just like Mike and Kobe, I promise you. Just wasn't as blessed as they are/ were with their talents. But I did alright on my level lol.
@@St.CrimsonTweetsLebron is 6'9 250lbs, Bill Laimbeer was 6'11 240. Imagine Lebron's size and athletism plays in that weak era, he would oblitirate everyone lol.
MJ was the blueprint, he adapted and overcame which resulted in dominance. Kobe learned from the Master and utilized the lines drawn which directed his path. There could never be others who did it like they did.
just watch, he isn’t skilled, look at his handles, he would be todays demar derozen, it’s not players fault for flopping, they’re doing everything to win, if the refs let it happen then so
@@crashtestbros9908dawg saying MJ would be demar derozan today is the dumbest statement of all time. Over the course of MJ’s career he got better at 3’s than demar derozan is. Also the athleticism from MJ is simply way better than derozans. Also the turn around jumper from mj was the cleanest turn around jumper of all time. Kobe played like MJ and lasted in the later eras. Your crazy to think MJ and demar derozan is even a comparison kid.
@@crashtestbros9908 I'ma take that as a joke. Mj won the scoring title the last 10 years "in a row" that he played for the bulls. Where they was more physical then today's football. But the GOAT has no skills, da F outta here 😂
@@quojo5757 if everyone else can give this guy names like "black jesus" or " that black cat" or "the sheriff" or the "goat" then i pretty sure everyone else gave this guy a nickname "god" of basketball, even the great larry bird said himself “thats not micheal jordan, thats god disguised as micheal jordan”, oh and i know i love jesus me and died for me and forgives me of my sins knowing im a sinner
MJ didn't leave the Bulls to form a super team or join the Pistons after losing to them in the playoffs including Eastern Finals 3 years in a row. He excelled, dominated and became the GOAT!
He didn’t cry during playoffs game against pistons. Instead he bounce back. He almost not complaining about the hurts he received. He takes it as a man. That is why he is my goat in basketball. Detroit pistons help MJ to be a GOAT mentally and physically.
I’ll never understand how anyone can compare lebum to this man! This man would take a damn beating every game. Those games against the pistons were brutal always. Lebum can even get breathed on without him crying for a foul. It’s MJ and Kobe all day
Miss this basketball. Guys played hard, and didnt juat cry after every little bump, shit got heated duh and scuffles happened. But usually a big hit or something sparked it, and look at mj, he didnt go boohoo to the refs and league. He said ok ill see you next season. Came back a beast and beat them. Sad this is just lost on modern players
If Pippen didn't have the migraine issue, they would have taken it in 1990. The headaches might have erased a 7th....or 8th ....or 9th....or 10th....ring, depending of vantage point.
"And I took that personally"
-- M.J the goat 🐐
You mean the injections from Tim Grover allowing MJ to gain 15 lbs of muscle in one offseason? At age 29 in 1989.
@@Reaper13-hi3yo ah yes the roids made him the goat, not like Larry didn’t call him a God his rookie season or anything. Rookie dropping 63 on 5 hall of famers. Unheard of
@@johndavis4060This isnt a goat debate. I am just stating the facts. MJ gained 15 lbs of pure muscle in one offseason at 29 years old without sacrificing any skill or finesse in 1989. Why this is just swept under the rug is beyond me.
Man U all think it was jus mj many teams had plans for all the stars and there fouls it was 80’s ball…mj was a big puss he cried to his daddy stern well documented. mj narrative is funny af mj fans r the biggest females in the world for mj. Watch….
@@johndavis4060nobody said anything about that, it's just speculation just like how people speculate that LeBron took PEDs too. 15 lbs of muscle in 3 months is insane though. It could just be hate because people love to hate on the best players like LeBron, MJ, and Kobe, KD, Curry, etc.
People talk a lot about Kobe’s work ethic but let’s not forget that Michael also worked very very hard to get where he was then.
People loves to talk more about kobe's work since he ain't gifted as jordan when he starts. Its like jordan trains to be a stronger god and kobe trains to be a god.
@@giovannajohnnystop calling people who put a ball in a hoop gods.
@@giovannajohnny 👍
@@do.2808😂😂😂😂😂😂 🤙🏽
(Don’t get me wrong I love Kobe too)
I ain’t NEVER heard a player say they are getting in better shape just for one specific team. MJ came for blood.
Ever heard of Bird and Magic
That's because Motown had beaten us up for the last 3yrs.
@@JamusChristusExactly 😅😊
@@estaff828 yup. As if Jordan was the only player who overcame a nemesis.
Isiah Thomas overcoming the Celtics was another one where it took years of losing to them.
It was the right of passage all the way to the Bulls. Unfortunately, after them, no team was next and they just went into the sunset with the reigns. It should've been Shaq and Orlando next, but instead of coming back, he left. That robbed us of probably 2-3 more seasons of a rivalry and who knows, Jordan likely would've stuck around if he traded losses with Orlando.
They were the last hurdle he needed to clear.
The 90s were wild
Good thing it’s the 80s
@@Csep1579wasn’t really the 80s the was like the late 80s
@@jamesarchie1064Soooo...the 80's?
Must see tv
@@Departing_Beloved technically It was 89-90 but idk😂
The Pistons made MJ even better!
Pippen
That's right!
@@rs421 "Migraine" Pippen, yeah okay kid
Not true mj already a superior a better player but his team is rebuilding team mj rookie season are leader in Score, rebound, asts and STL
@@edwingustilo6594That's factual but they actually made him improve.
MJ is was a diffrent beast even in such a aggressive era
I think I started a war🗣
An entire team had rules just for HIM & basically foul him when they can. Aka the Jordan Rules.
But was he a different animal and the same beast ?
@@eye1463What the f*ck does that mean Kobe Bryant?
Bro you talkinglike detroit aint still had a winning playoff record against him... and he literally could only score with his right hand.. yall be sitting here saying bron wouldnt dunk all over the whole nba back then like he doing now???? Jordan at his heaviest and strongest point was never as big and strong as even a first cleveland run lebron
@@shawnknowles4356 You must be talking about MJ in the beginning. So you must be talking about the same MJ that scored 3000+ points in one season. Something leflopper has not and never will do. But they give yall the longevity stats for leflopper so yall can say nobody ever scored more total points when he played longer than everyone else😂
you can see he gets up every time and doesn’t cry, but knows to get better and stronger to be better next time.
The bad boys were ruthless
Mj never beat the bad boy pistons. They were already washed and never made playoffs again after 91. 90’s era was kinda 🍑
@ryancruz3143 horrible take. They didn't go from 2x NBA Champs to washed the next year with the same roster. They went to the ECF the following year. Teams just figured out how to deal with them and the roster and coach changed.
@@ryancruz3143l take
@gunfu4481 na, the team was a 5 man unit and although some of there parts where enough to get to the ecf, they lambeer and dumars were already on the decline. Mj beat them but his sword was build on the grindstone that was the Detroit pistons
@@gunfu4481 everyone knew that were washed at the beginning of the series. Vegas set Jordan to be -275 that series. Pistons got swept appropriately and never made playoffs again w/ their “core roster”
That shot at the end of 3 pistons on all sides of Jordan while scoring or attempting to score is legendary. Long live the G.O.A.T.
he would be immediately substituted for that stupid attempt in modern nba
@@rperov318 Strange comment. The modern NBA's coaches are more lenient than ever. Nobody is benching Jordan in any era for driving to the basket.
@@rperov318tell that to jenkins, he never takes off ja for doing half the crazy crap he does.
Bro really bodied Bill Laimbeer and stayed upright 😂
Laimbeer was out of shape and unathletic
That's when they knew it was over
@@IWannaUnaliveMyself so is Shaq, you say he is weak?
@@nguyenthanhhai6725 Shaq was strong as an ox and very athletic LMAOOOO you though you did somethin boy
@@IWannaUnaliveMyselfNah he did something lol so was some people there and shaq still got bodied by Jordan.🤫
🐐🐐 Still get Goosebumps watching MJ 30 years later
Factz I'm in my 40s
Dude got stronger and still kept his explosiveness. He’s the goat, the other self proclaimed one would cry against such physicality and plot to switch side and form another super team 😂
"The other One" is All Time first Team Bully Ball and would destroy the players back then!
boy stop…he would adapt and play by their rules,and straight up eat them dudes for breakfast.
@E_Nig_Mabro for someone to face so much criticism over the years and can still perform at the highest level he deffo has mental strength
@@jamesp31stTaskerthe glazing is insane, he literally has 20 minutes compilations of him flopping around like a fish.
@@jamesp31stTaskerHe would not eat them for breakfast. Instead Hakeem would body the hell outta him into the ground. Be quiet kid you don’t know ball
No one worked harder than MJ and Kobe.
Bad Boy Pistons played like some NFL team back then.
True😂😂😂
bro i love that physical play
Watch mma not this goofy I’m tough I smacked somebody in the paint
@@kwiwj17731good for you. Wrong sport
It was never really physical with Mike, as a Jordan fan, Mike got every call and more
MJ went from barely 200lbs to 217 💪 🐐
Jordan's facial expressions while lifting, were also the thing of legend.
koby may have worked hard but was no MJ. Lets make that perfectly clear.
@rickyjimenez3357 it's KOBE, for one. And secondly, who said anything about him? Smh.
"And that is why I succeed"
- Black Jesus
You know it! 🙏🏾
All hail the GOAT!!!!
I love how people (millennials) say that that era was weak and full of plumbers. Let me tell you something, I grew up in that era and it was ridiculous talent then. The way Jordan was limping in the video was just a sample of coming into the paint. The motto back then was "come into the lane, you're gonna get pain". There was ALWAYS someone draped on you, hand checking you, pushing or pulling your arm when you went to shoot or clobbering you when you went inside. This were common fouls in my time. I lifted just like he did just to be ready for certain teams. I did NOT want anyone to have any advantage over me at all! I'm still like that and I'll be 47 this year. I need to be ready to go at any time, anywhere. I'm wired just like Mike and Kobe, I promise you. Just wasn't as blessed as they are/ were with their talents. But I did alright on my level lol.
🫵🏽🔥🔥🔥
The greatest to ever do it 🐐
MJ: "I had to stronger"🦾
Leflop: "I have to go to another team" 💀
And bitch and moaning so they change the rules to my favor
Facts.
Imagine him having to endure that kind of defense when he be rplling on the floor writhing in pain over a shoulder bump 😂😂
@@St.CrimsonTweetsLebron is 6'9 250lbs, Bill Laimbeer was 6'11 240. Imagine Lebron's size and athletism plays in that weak era, he would oblitirate everyone lol.
@av50ox He couldn't even "obliterate" in this denfenseless era 😂😂🤣🤣. He always needed other stars to help carry his teams, but ok 🤷🏽♂️
I really don’t think people understand how dope basketball was back then. I’m not even a basketball “fan” like that but I was even into it. 💯🏀
Old good days of nba
This brother's determination and will could not be matched.
I don’t think it can even be measured.
MJ was the blueprint, he adapted and overcame which resulted in dominance. Kobe learned from the Master and utilized the lines drawn which directed his path. There could never be others who did it like they did.
Unlike Leflop, MJ didn't complain. Just made it a point to get back at his tormentors. That's the GOAT for you.
The GOAT
That last photo is fkn incredible
LeBron fans should watch this. Goat debate over, nobody been guarded like this in the history besides MJ, Speaks for itself.
just watch, he isn’t skilled, look at his handles, he would be todays demar derozen, it’s not players fault for flopping, they’re doing everything to win, if the refs let it happen then so
@@crashtestbros9908dawg saying MJ would be demar derozan today is the dumbest statement of all time. Over the course of MJ’s career he got better at 3’s than demar derozan is. Also the athleticism from MJ is simply way better than derozans. Also the turn around jumper from mj was the cleanest turn around jumper of all time. Kobe played like MJ and lasted in the later eras. Your crazy to think MJ and demar derozan is even a comparison kid.
@@crashtestbros9908never remember a time Derozan name was in the mix for defensive of the year candidate
This ain’t debate have you not seen the spurs vs heat
@@crashtestbros9908 I'ma take that as a joke. Mj won the scoring title the last 10 years "in a row" that he played for the bulls. Where they was more physical then today's football. But the GOAT has no skills, da F outta here 😂
THESE GAMES WAS MUST SEE TV,,,,,I WAS ADDICTED TO BASKETBALL!!!!🏀🏀🏀💯💯💯
Me too…not anymore though
💯
MJ vs The Original Bad Boys
Jordan is another type of monster. In all eras he would dominate . His will to win is unmatched by any other athlete in any era
Once upon a time, when the game was the game💪💪💪, I miss this era😢😢😢
Man i really wish i lived back then to watch this god play…😢
Was a great show, back in the day!👍👍👍
@@user-xv4gc8iq2y Mustve felt like a once in a lifetime moment man…😔
Dont call men gods bro. Also seek Jesus, he loves you and died for you
@@quojo5757 if everyone else can give this guy names like "black jesus" or " that black cat" or "the sheriff" or the "goat" then i pretty sure everyone else gave this guy a nickname "god" of basketball, even the great larry bird said himself “thats not micheal jordan, thats god disguised as micheal jordan”, oh and i know i love jesus me and died for me and forgives me of my sins knowing im a sinner
@@quojo5757 and second, god and jesus are two different beings, dont get your facts mixed up honey💯💪✝️
The great thing is that MJ never made excuses and took defeat with grace.
That last photo is absolutely stunning.
MJ was highly competitive to begin with and having the help of Tim Grover to further train his mindset and body made MJ even more competitive.
Back when men were men and didn’t wine to the refs for fouls every play
*coughs*...lebron
Wait but didn't Jordan cry to the NBA commissioner David Stern saying that the Pistons are playing too dirty so David Stern added in fragrant fouls
Didn't Jordan get in the refs face and said that he was foul in the ref said okay Michael I'm going to believe you
Didn't Michael Jordan get choked out by Xavier McDaniels
@@prequaIswhy does everyone just hate on lebron just leave it aside
He Did 2 3-Peats
Didn’t complain, didn’t make excuses, didn’t give up, came back better and stronger
the gentleman in that team Joe Dumas one of the most respected in the NBA .
Dunks had to be earned back then and boy were they something
I can say the Pistons created this Beast and he wrecked havoc on the NBA.. That’s the Goat…
Nobody sees failure give me strength
-the goat
That’s why he’s the goat
Just the mentality
-Kobe Bryant
MJ was everything 🔥GOAT
This is why mike ,kobe are the best 💯
Could you imagine how lebron would act if he played against defense like that lmfao
You ack as if Lebron didn’t get play in the early 2000s and isn’t 6’9 250
@@christianr1941 oh your one of those
And today we have people flop and fall to the ground when they stand too close to them while shooting a 3. 🤦♂️
My Goat 🐐 🙌
The Goat 🐐💯
Your goat was 1-3 against that team though
and your goat switched teams when he lost@@edwinyounes4934
And that ladies and gentlemen is how you build a champion and create a GOAT
THE GOAT for All Time..❤
This is how the Goat was created… Thanks to the Pistons…
Michael 💪😭grande❤
MJ will always be the GOAT. And loyal - something the modern player don’t even consider as important
Detroit were beating them up for 3 years . Thats when MJ turned from good to GOAT .
That's why he's the goat the GOOOOAAAATTT 🐐
MJ didn't leave the Bulls to form a super team or join the Pistons after losing to them in the playoffs including Eastern Finals 3 years in a row. He excelled, dominated and became the GOAT!
After mike getting physical , Bill lamberd was like no frikin way standing in front of a truck
When the goat was challenged, he rose to the occasion 🔥
One of the greatest basketball players ever. Mike was just different 🐐
MJ is the goat 🐐 he's him
The GOAT in Beast mode
Kobe work ethics is phenomenal, MJ determination to win at any costs is godlike.
Mj the goat
This is why mj is the goat he did not complain he just got stronger and got his revenge that way true champ
Credit the Bad Boy Pistons for being the final boss before MJ’s final form 🐐
One day I hope I be like Michael Jordan
Nice edit
Jordan motivation......
LbJ motivation. Joining and recruiting allstar caliber teammates.
The fact that a 6'6 shooting guard can knock a 6'11 240lb Center out of mid air just shows his level of strength
Michael Jordan the goat incredible strong defense against him
Los pistons eran muy duros en ese tiempo....Pero Michael Jordan es un tornado en ataque y defensa en todo!
I told myself i won't mention lebron😂 but honestly.. Him and mike are so different in the mind
Damn it I knew it.
MJ was a different breed back then
Nothing better than Jordan 2.0
MJ the Greatest of all time.
Can you imagine if Queen Leflop played in this era? He'd be out the whole season. THIS IS WHY M.J. IS THE GOAT 🐐
MJ has one of the best physics in the league
He didn’t cry during playoffs game against pistons. Instead he bounce back. He almost not complaining about the hurts he received. He takes it as a man. That is why he is my goat in basketball. Detroit pistons help MJ to be a GOAT mentally and physically.
This is probably my favorite edit of him now. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Basketball use to be insane, so entertaining, so many names on every team
The all-time most epic sport revenge
That no look layup was crazyyyy
He took “weight room 👦 “ to the next level
Mj was such a dawg
One thing that showed he was no punk was that he learned from each experience and bettered himself for the next encounter.
Michael Jordan. The GOAT
Bro i read that as "slim skinny KD"☠️☠️☠️
I’ll never understand how anyone can compare lebum to this man! This man would take a damn beating every game. Those games against the pistons were brutal always. Lebum can even get breathed on without him crying for a foul. It’s MJ and Kobe all day
Not only that but then he took their core rebounder
Miss this basketball. Guys played hard, and didnt juat cry after every little bump, shit got heated duh and scuffles happened. But usually a big hit or something sparked it, and look at mj, he didnt go boohoo to the refs and league. He said ok ill see you next season. Came back a beast and beat them. Sad this is just lost on modern players
43 years ago he was a slim skinny kid now a monster
Michael Air Jordan 23#👑 GOAT Nu 1 Greatest ever Legends 🐐🐐🐐🐐🏀🏀🏀🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅
If Pippen didn't have the migraine issue, they would have taken it in 1990. The headaches might have erased a 7th....or 8th ....or 9th....or 10th....ring, depending of vantage point.
My just went with it he didn’t flop like lebron that’s how he is the goat
N he never complained.. got back up n dust it off n got stronger
That's why he's the GOAT🐐
Todays era cry when they get touch, these are flagrant fouls in todays game, and regular fouls back then. Mj is the goat 🐐 the original 23
The bad boy pistons help Jordan, Bird, and magic make the 80s and 90s