I was eyeing for the longest time a Daniel Defense rifle, but after hearing nothing but good things about these Geiselle rifles I am confident this will be my next rifle.
Navy, They had a green 11.5 Superduty on sale for the 4th and I hesitated and missed out, it was half price! I already have one and that’s why I hesitated, but it absolutely wouldn’t have hurt to have another! I’m super mad at myself! Rick
On PA’s website it says the barrels are 4140 instead of 4150, was surprised by that, Geissele seems to be do great job across the board with their material choices with the barrel steel being the exception. Seems to a be a cost cutting option when you compare their barrels to BCM or centurion which is a shame since I really think they nailed the profile and they have in house forges which in my mind means quality barrel shortages should be over, no more 9-10 months of waiting for something to come back in stock. Before anyone comments “it’s chrome lined, it doesn’t matter!” 4150 is a stronger steel that retains its strength with heat, it just deals with heat better in general.
Considering the G SD just did 900 CONSECUTIVE rounds full auto (youtube search it) before the gas tube ruptured, I think the barrel is probably fine. The DD 14.5 gov profile failed below 700 in the barrel.
@@navyman8903 I’ve seen a few sources but all very questionable besides PA, I’m a barrel snob so I get a bit obsessive over it and it’s the one thing holding me back because I think they’ve nailed just about everything besides maybe their off the shelf 16s being over gassed.
@@hannibalbarca2939 ua-cam.com/video/77LA-yjzl7s/v-deo.htmlsi=4w-VVvN0Wh6Sz-eJ this video? Sample of one but it did do well which may point to it being a typo on a few websites.
As a pure materials thing in a vacuum I'd agree. I learened a bit about CrMo alloys when I went to a CrMo brazing school and spent time brazing different CrMo tubes on my own thereafter. For bicycle frames. Things like on-paper materials differences are not always the same in application. When the measurable differences (rigidity/flexion, hardness/malleability, deformation at temperature) are in play, of course they matter. I'm saying perhaps the hammer forging process, if designed around 4140, may offset some of the on-paper material differences. It's about application, not on-paper. Also important to bear in mind is this factor about any mechanical gear that has multiple levels of application. Many sports equipment (i.e. alpine skis, mountain bikes, off-road motos) have users that range from rank newbie know-nothing to Expert level users who use the gear for money/work. The great majority of users will be much closer to the newbie know-nothing level, and so the gear is designed in many cases for at best an "average" user. Not the extreme case user. Not saying Geissele would intentionally under-build something. Just saying that user realities are always in play. Since they do govcontract mfre, and lots of mfre for more serious shooters otherwise (competitors), their user group is a bit more demanding and expects a bit more. Which contrasts to a newbie buying Geissele because of the reputation. Making such equipment (at Geissele's end of things) requires balancing the demands/needs of the overall user group.
I used to love G, but have since had a change of heart. I had an 11.5 SD shit the bed when the ejector roll pin walked, which mangled the feed ramps and cause peening of the bolt ejector roll pin hole. I replaced it with an 11.5 URGI which had jacked up feed ramps, an off center gas tube hole, and a short chamber which absolutely mangled brass and deformed projectiles. So now I’m back to Colt & Centurion Arms.
@@navyman8903 I still have a 10.3 G SBR and a 16” SD upper on a BCM lower which have been great. G is capable of making a stellar product but I believe their QA/QC to be lacking.
@@hannibalbarca2939 they did. However, the SD return label took forever and I never actually received the label, so I sold that upper to my friend with full disclosure and they fixed it for him. With the URGI, I had had enough and just returned for a refund. I then bought an 11.5 Centurion and couldn’t be happier with it.
@@w.w.9047 Lots of industrial businesses got whacked by subpar QA/QC during the past several years, panic/volume buying meant rushed schedules etc. Many companies suffered, and not just in the world of firearms. The ones that find their way back to normal QA/QC will survive, though.
Good to see you back! I hope all is well with you. I've got the 11.5" Super Duty. Definitely a bit pricey, but it's great. It's second only to the 11.5" I built using a Criterion Core barrel, ADM's ambi receiver set, FCD handguard, a Sionics NP3 BCG, and a LaRue MBT-2S. I absolutely love that gun. The Core barrel is awesome and the ambi controls on the ADM lower are fantastic. But the 11.5" Super Duty is really great too, especially if ambi controls aren't a concern. Geissele's lower parts feel really nice as is. Yeah, I swapped out the grip immediately for a Magpul K2. A2 style grips are awful. The REBCG is fantastic!
@@ThePerpetualStudent Mostly because I like Criterion Core barrels and really like how ADM does their ambi controls. Sionics makes really nice barrels too though, and LMT's ambi lower is probably the most popular ambi lower on the market. I've actually been thinking of putting together a build using Sionics' newish mid-length 12.5" barrel.
Dear Mr Squid. Your Hero here, Marine Infantry 👋. OOORAH!!! KILL!!! Anyway. I believe that Bill Geissele has put together one of the best rifles on the market. I love his parts kits. And triggers. My favorite being the Tricon. I figured that one out. It's for old school Navy boiler techs, RP's and Rob O'Neil that have weak fingerbang game. But also works equally well for motivated killers such as Marines, Boatswain Mates and Green Side Corpsmen. I like that trigger shoe. If I were to suggest a one and done. It would be a Geissele Super Duty. You are right. For what you get. By the time you buy all the crap that the Geissele rifles come with. You are in it for the same price. Or more. The only thing I'm not really into is the Super 42 setup. Much bigger fan of the A5 system. In particular the New BCM Mk2. But I digress. I have a friend that has two 16" Geissele Super Duty's. Both setup the same, we train when we can. He's running gen 3 Razors on Geissele mounts. I'm also a fan of the maritime bolt catch and the ambi saftey. Because I shoot with the Devils hand. The only other rifle that I think is as value driven is a BCM with all the Mk2 improvements. I believe there are several companies that has solved the bolt stress issue. SOLGW, Sionics and Jim Hodge (Those guys all run in the same circles.) all run a M4 upper that's a thicker cut from Cerro. Weighs I believe a ounce more. When they removed the carry handle off of the A2 upper. They removed a lot of rigidity. BCM has the Mk2 with a better forward assist location and rigidity with no weight penalties. Vltor has the MUR. That's heavier than the aforementioned. And gives you a higher shelf. The competition guys love the MUR. BCM has stated they have seen bolt life drastically improve. Companies like Geissele, LWRC and LMT have improved the overall bolt design. At a much higher cost. We live in good times for blasters my man. And optics.
It makes sense to me. If you want to go beyond a basic AR and want a "buy it for life" go to war gun that you won't dream about changing anything on excepting perhaps very personal things like the grip or butt, here you are. It's expensive, but so is home building to this level. May as well let them do it for you and reap small savings from their production volume. Glad to hear they upped the ante on the barrel finish, though. Could you have an excellent lifetime GtW rifle made with less expensive components? Absolutely. I tried to do that with my rifle and I enjoy it very much. This is for when you want to go the extra mile with the details, as Navy explained. Speaking of details, how do you oil your barrel? I wiped my phosphated barrel with an oiled rag when I assembled it but now with the MCMR handguard I'll be spraying oil through the gaps and blasting the excess off with my air compressor. Ps: As hinted above, I finished my 20" rifle and let me tell you, I studied both of your 20" videos a ton in the planning phase. As in, multiple rewatches over time with a paper and pen to hand. I also took into consideration a lot of other points that you mentioned in various videos (and points made by other youtubers). The bottom line is that I'm in your debt. I finally built /my/ fighting rifle and I love everything about it. I'm excited to learn and grow with it and there isn't anything I want to change. At the moment I'm just debating whether I'll keep the rear and front handbrake combo on it or just run the front one (which isn't moving). Thank you, and if you're interested, I can send a video breaking down the build via youtube.
Thank you for the feedback and I'm glad I could be helpful with your build. I went down a lot of wrong way streets through the years, buying/selling a lot of guns, money pits, and finally ending up where I am now. But you see all of the money invested in everything and no one gives me anything. Ultimately I'm glad my experiences and advice helps others.
If you are careful about parts selection you can build a very accurate, very reliable rifle for less than the cost of a Geissele complete. Most people, though, are not mechanically minded enough to understand the parts selection matrix and more importantly the system understanding -- how it all works together. Most people don't want to tune their gas system or their buffer weight/buffer spring weight, they want turnkey reliability. For those folks a Geissele complete is a smart deal. No time spent parts picking, no time spent assembling, no distractions. Just get the rifle & go shoot.
@navyman8903 Hi again, I'll drop my build here for your perusal. Note that the suppressor should probably be the Mini 2, but I haven't bought one yet. I do have a regular RC2 awaiting approval, though. That one most likely belongs on a future shorty. I call this the "A6" because it takes the A5 system and goes a step further with modern furniture, optic, and barrel. Upper: Aero no forward assist Barrel: Criterion CORE 20" Bolt: Microbest chrome with phosphate extractor, Sprinco extractor spring, and black extractor insert Bolt Carrier: Microbest chrome Gas Block: VLTOR clamp-on .625 Gas tube: CMMG stainless rifle-length Flash Hider: Surefire SOCOM 3-Prong Charging Handle: Aero Breach large latch Handguard: BCM MCMR 15" Rail furniture: ERGO Hand Stop Lower: Aero mil spec Tacoma Heritage Trigger: Larue MBT-2S, standard spring UPK/LPK: Aero, Colt front takedown detent (the Aero went sproing into a black hole, unfortunately) Safety: FCD ASF-50Q (50 degree, left long, right short) Bolt Catch: FCD ABC/R v3 RB (rearward biased), Serrated Buffer Tube: VLTOR A5 Buffer: VLTOR A5-2, VLTOR standard spring Stock: Magpul SL-S Pistol Grip: Magpul MIAD Gen 1.1. Large backstrap, A2 tab front. Iron Sights: Magpul MBUS Pro Optic: PA PlxC 1-8x Griffin Mil LPVO Optic Mount: ADM Recon titanium lever QD 30mm, 1.47" height. Scope caps: Tenebraex Sling: Vickers padded QD Swivels: Magpul Light and mount: REIN 3.0 w/100 Concepts cap, Torrent Inline M-LOK Suppressor: Surefire SOCOM 5.56 or Mini Magazines: PMAG GEN M3 Window Notes: Barrel was thermal fit (heat gun). Free-float required dremeling of handguard interior. Would have been fine with set screw type. Weight: 10.05 lbs empty unsuppressed.
Almost grabbed up this exact rifle but decided to get a SOLGW that's pin&welded. So far she's been through 2 classes with zero issue. So far it's my most "balanced" feeling rifle. What's odd is I can almost get 1moa with Speer 75g sp but with 77g otm it gets 1.25-1.6moa.
They really are fantastic rifles. I got a little carried away during the 2019 Black Friday launch and bought one 16" in each color. Then, after waiting for over 3 months to get them, I used my stack of 35% off coupons to buy an 11.5" "pistol" once they launched, as well as a ton of other parts and accessories for my family and friends so they could "Geissele all the things." It turned out to be a pretty "Super" deal, especially now that they're selling for twice what I paid for mine, and that's without a $150 Surefire muzzle device included. I only wish mine had come with 4 prong flash hiders instead of the 3 prongers, but that's not really a big deal.
You honestly played it right. I have an ODG 16" I want to SPR and a ODG 14.5 I want to pick up. As well as a backup 14.5 URGI upper and an 11.5 URGI upper. As well as a bunch of spare REBCGs.
There was some overblown uproar because they used a black oxide finish briefly during Covid supply chain struggles, but they've long since returned to the manganese phosphate coating. I'm not sure how much of a "rust issue" it really was or not, but it was definitely something all the wannabe internet experts freaked out over.@@TheJoeml85
Agree with you 100%. I picked up this same Rifle last week and I'm in love (ditched the grip as well). I have a ton of different ARs in the safe and this is now on top. Blew through way too much ammo this weekend because I didn't want to stop shooting, LOL.
Doesn't matter if I'm shooting long range with it, or shredding targets up close. I can't stop shooting it. It's just so well balanced and well gassed. I don't want to put it down.
BCM, DD, G, KAC. Flip a coin, they’re all gtg. I got into Knights while prices were still reasonable ($1700 uppers) so, KAC 14.5/ mini 2 & KAC 11.5/ KAC QDC CQB. Dig your perspective.
Bought my wife the 14.5 green one . She fell in love with it at A gun shop in Tennessee. The 90degree safety is a con for me. Might radian it. Rifle is sweet though
This 14. 5 Is phenomenal! I run the mini2 silencer on mine and the SBC2 silencer on my 11.5 Super Duty. My 16 in. SD is set up as a DMR type rifle. The 14.5 P/W with a silencer makes all the difference in the world from a 16 in. barrel and mini2. I prefer the BCM Gunfighter pistol grip. I love the B5 stock. Looking at you Daniel Defense, lol. The 14.5 setup will make head shots at 384 yds all day long with AAC 77 Sierras and its EoTech and G45 magnifier. Wish I had a range to shoot further. Ever since I ran across the Super Select Fire trigger during the GWOT, I was sold on Geissele’s triggers and ran the SSA exclusively until I got three Super Duty firearms. The SD line gives you everything you need, and nothing flashy. If I could only have one AR, it would be the 14.5 SD! Oh, btw, if you don’t like the P/W flashhider, a gunsmith can remove the muzzle device and P/W a muzzle device of your choice.
I was between this and the URGI, found a deal on this upper first so I went with it, think it would up being a better the option because of the barrel profile, shoots amazing. Got the thing built for ~1600 with all some sweet Labor Day sales (all Geissele parts). Only disappointment is that I got the p/w Geissele flash hider instead of the surefire, not that I’ve had any problems with the Geissele one, but it would have been nice to have Surefire suppressor compatibility.
20:40 usually that’s why I’m not one of the pilot customers are usually let other people use the first GEN so that way I can get the updated version my lesson learned with pistol lights from MODLITE
Smart for sure. I am usually in that same boat with you, I think knowing Geissele's quality over the years made early adoption okay in my mind. But I still got bit in a few places lol. The black oxide finish being one of them.
Indeed. Had two of these triggers before picking up a minimal salt SD for 1200 with geiselle flip ups. Everything but this horrendous grip destroys!!! All I changed was the charging handle. The gov or the airborne, whatever it is, the SCH is better for my dumb hands. Took my two days to watch the vid but it was worth it, shout out to the cats!
I have the 16” version of this gun. It has quickly become one of my favorites to shoot. Trigger is fantastic. I’m looking to pick up a 14.5” upper at some point, or maybe a complete rifle. My problem is that no dealer in my area carries these because of the price point. The one I bought sat on my dealer’s shelf for months before I decided to buy it. Anyway, great review of a great rifle.
That is a struggle for sure, I've only seen one LGS carry them and they don't sell cheap stuff as a rule. But everyone else doesn't seem to carry them.
Have the 16" upper wish there was more info. out there about the benefits of the "Geissele Length" gas system and why they went with that length. Appears to be a tad longer than a mid length all I know is it shoots super smooth with that Super 42 H2. Excellent content per usual, glad to see you back thought maybe the guys at Sig got to you after you destroyed them in the last one lol.
Lol nah, SIG has been real quiet. More M18s have broken at work too. There's been 3 uncommanded discharges during qualifications at the school house here too. It's bad. Also I'm planning to pick up a 16" or 2. They're great.
If you read a bit about gas system management you may find that tube length affects dwell time, in addition to recoil impulse force. I don't understand the rifle's gas system and combustion event well enough to say what the dwell time effects are, I just have observed that people discuss the matter of dwell time and efficient combustion when talking gas systems. And that both aspects affect not only recoil impulse, but also accuracy & velocity. Not suggesting "big effects" but rather that they are variables in the mix.
Great review for this rifle! Been loving the 14.5 for a while now. Running it with the PA PLXc 1-8 and testing out 77gr match ammos. So far, Remington Premier Match has been the best with nice ½" group at 100 (minus shooter error.)
Have the exact same upper, it's great. Kind of annoying to see that they stopped including the Surefire muzzle devices and kept at the same price (IIRC). It also sucks that they use that anti-rotation tab in the upper receiver instead of the standard mk16 rail.
I agree with the first part, but the receiver cut for the rail is much more rigid and repeatable when reinstalling. Much more reliable than the side tabs.
@@navyman8903 I swapped out the original rail for a mk14 so I just had the mk16* orphaned for a while sitting in a box until I put together another upper. Nobody's going to want to buy the mk16* it since it will only work with those receivers. (edit: Also annoying that there's no Geissele engraving on the rail. Just seems like they were being cheap by skipping it) It's a decent system for anti rotation but its still not perfect, it's not an alignment tab with how much clearance there is in the fit. Can get just as good of an alignment running a fingernail on both sides of the receiver seam. It's one of those things that's fine, but it's just not to my personal preference.
@@pouuko7656 "Supply chain." Really no excuse to stop offering the SF devices, since you could still offer them in whatever quantity you are able, and then sell a cheaper version of the rifle with the Geissele flash hider. The reason they didn't do this is probably because the real goal is to creep their prices upward to match inflation and this is a more effective strategy for that. They can keep the price of the rifle the same while saving money producing them and most people wont know any different. Then later they can offer the SF muzzle devices (and/or other brands) again and upcharge for them. At a minimum, all of the pinned and welded versions should have a surefire.
I am an AR15 collector and love the platform. I have many offerings from different manufacturers including KAC, LMT, HK, LWRCI, SWORD, BGD, DD, Larue, ADM, and now Hodge. I will never buy a Geissele SD as I feel it is overpriced. I buy Geissele triggers and feel the make the second best charging handle on the market. But I am just not a Geissele rifle fan.
I get it, but it's very strong. How the form the bolt is excellent/incredibly strong. The coating also makes it run smoother. They are incredibly spendy though. I think they're about 75 doll hairs over priced.
Thanks for the great reviews of Geissele. I've been watching all your videos and because of you I recently purchased a 16" Geissele super duty and love it. Like you said in your review, the qd slots now have the steel inserts. I did receive a Geissele flash hider, nanocoated, but heard they were going to change to giving you the option of what kind you wanted to have in the future, so you could install a can if thats the route you wanted to go. I guess a drop down menu of some sort to choose the muzzle device they are offering. Cool idea if it actually pans out. I did receive a new Geissele grip. Its very textured and believe its either a 19° or 21°. Its definitely a lot nicer than the previous one. I actually bought two grips with my rifle because I thought I was going to have to change it out when I got it. Evidently that wasn't the case. I'll probably just keep the grip it came with on it, its that good. Lastly, I bought mine through Brownell's at a very good price , I think. Especially in today's market. I paid $1759 and was able to use a 10% discount code from Tactical Advisors channel which was "TA10". Basically paid for the tax, which was nice. With the two grips and the rifle it was $1776.00 out the door. I also got the luna black rifle to save money. I wanted the desert dirt color, but couldn't justify the extra $ 200 bucks for it....especially when they make some great camo paint. Not sure I can stomach that route though. Something doesn't seem right about paying that much for a rifle and then throwing a $20 dollar spray paint on it. Anyways, just wanted to thank you for supplying the great reviews! Please keep it up. I like how you set up your videos and how detailed they are. Kinda like Nutnfacy's old reviews, which I enjoy and have to admit I miss how often he use to do them. I can watch those reviews for hours lol. Take care!
You got an excellent deal and played your cards right. The new spark muzzle device is keeping me from buying any more 14.5s from Geissele at the moment. I'm going to get some 16" guns and change the muzzle device, but I really wanted that nano weapon coating. That said though, I love these rifles. They shoot great and I'm looking forward to building out a couple of 16" Super Duty rifles in the future. I know that rifle will suit you well.
Awesome rifle, I think that the deal online now where you can get a urgi and 1-6 is a great starter for under 2500. Sure it's not a great optic but at least it gives you a good starting point and you can sell it to buy something better then reuse the super precision mount.
Well I was going to do a radian build with a criterion 14.5 barrel but the barrel’s are unavailable and Criterion couldn’t give me an ETA, so…… I just ordered the Geissele 14.5 in OD. Got a Black Friday price , can’t wait to get my hands on it . Thanks for the review and the positive recommendation on Geissele .
Brothaman - had to order me one of these from impact guns yesterday. You certainly played a part in that!! Also these are back in stock at Geissele automatics website in 16” OD Green. This is not April fools joke. For real.
My super duties have been the best rifles I’ve ever had so far. I find it hard to get anything else when with sales and mil discounts you can get one for the price of a BCM 😂
You're going to really like the Mini2. I have a Mini2 and RC2 and honestly I like the Mini2 more, it's perfect on a 14.5". I run it on a lot of rifles, from a 11.85" PWS to a 12.5" and 14.5". There is almost no difference in performance between RC2 and Mini2 on 11.85" bbl and longer in my opinion. My RC2 basically just lives on my MK18 now because I prefer to shoot the Mini2 on everything else.
@@navyman8903 with all the bat shit crazy stuff happening here and abroad I’m going to take the plunge and buy an AR. I think the Super Duty will be the one Geissele has one on their web site with an LVPO 1-6 in orange lol , seems like a pretty fair deal for what you’re getting . I’ll be joining a local outdoor range shortly so I can get training . Thanks
Me too sometimes, but I put them through their paces. I'm not mag dumping, but multiple 5-6 shot strings suppressed or un suppressed. With some extra long firing drills in between gives them a work out. With repeatable accuracy. Definitely not pencil barrel problems. I always worry about it on the front end, but after a day of shooting I know it's fine on the back end.
Yeah, that Sparkout muzzle device is a huge buzzkill. Looks like Geissele is charging the same price for complete uppers and rifles with the Sparkout as the ones that used to have the Surefire closed tine flash hider. Not cool from Billy G$.
Yeah, I'm not super pumped about that move. It's keeping me from buying that ODG 14.5 I want to get. I'm going to wait until they put the SF flash hider back on there. They'll get to it eventually, this is a short term fix. But I need my 5.56 AR's to be surefire suppressor ready.
Hello. Thanks for review. Here in Czech Republic this rifle costs more then HK MR223 (not much more, but still, about 20% more) and it's +50% compared to BCM . If you had to choose one - wich one would you prefer? And which barrel length you'd take: 11 (it's OK to have it here)/14.5/16?
Thank you for this video, but I have a question for you. If the overall barrel length is 16 inches, what's the advantage of a 13.7" over a 14.5" pin & weld barrel? It seems as though you would have a little more velocity out of a 14.5" vs a 13.7" & on top of that a shorter rail on a 13.7". Thank you in advance & look forward to your future videos.
I'm not huge on the 13.7 unless you SBR it. Having the 14.5 just makes more sense. Some dudes want to drop dead on 16 inches exactly. But the 14.5 is flushed out perfectly fine, and will give you more velocity. So I don't see a need to go below 14.5. Especially if you're shooting past 400 yards. You'll want every bit of velocity you can squeeze out of your rifle.
@@navyman8903 And I bet you have excellent practical reasons & situations for use that make shorties a wise choice, in some situations. If I lived in a city full of concrete highdensity buildings and thought I'd spend a lot of time in tight hallways, going through doorways, etc, I'd probably just put on a sour face and jump through the hoops and pay the $$. But as it is, I've never even shot a shorty! Besides, those physics classes in college liked to use projectile problems, and I can't shake the velocity hangup much as I try.
You're absolutely correct. I realized it after uploading it. I chopped out that segment somehow in editing. I might make a short or a quick follow up. Thank you for keeping me honest.
I have the same upper with the p4xi. I really like the setup. I won a shooting event with it last year and have another one coming up in a few weeks. Super pleased with the super duty line. I need to try the ssa-ex next
Also forgot to note that the finish on my barrel is crap. Under certain lighting it looks brown. Surface rust is taking over. I may get it cerakoted to prevent it from going to hell
I got my 11.5 when you did I dont think that will happen again, after shooting it I bought a enhanced bcg for my bcm , I think I have 5 airborne charging handles for different rifles they are the best . I deffently like the old finish on the barrels.
✊🏾 my SLR has the lighting bow. I like the difference in between the two triggers so I didn’t upgrade my AR’s from the old school SSA-e/ Super T(the original lighting bow)
Those QDs arent there on all of them for sure. Unless they have an assload of supply and arent doing it. Got an upper and a few rails in the last 2months and still the old way. Although I prefer it and havent had any troubles
Navyman is back. We need a political update ASAP, I wanna hear your takes because they are actually conservative and not nuclear war is 2 days away for the past 2 years.
I just ordered last night a 11.5 ddc with huxwrx md. Based on the specs its a manganese phosphate now so hoping ill get that not the black oxide. Great review!
So for someone who shoots frequently, if I'm choosing between a $1500 BCM build, and a $2200 G, you would spend the extra on the G? Unrelated side note: Thank you for mentioning the "Nature is Metal" page years ago lol it's rad.
Nature is metal goes so hard. Also it depends on what you're looking for. I do prefer the G to a BCM, but both are good to go imo. I like the REBCG and the trigger, coupled with Geissele's barrel. I like that they're making CHF chrome lined barrels in that profile. They work extremely well and have been very accurate for me.
I bought the standalone mk16 rail in ddc. I got the standalone giessele super duty upper in black with a 14.5 G barrel. And their gas block. Kinda like making a super duty but color schemed like the urgi. Idk but I think that’s what you were talking about at the end. But doing it this way do you think I end up with a less superior rifle? It kinda sounded like you think it’s not worth it.
I have a video comparing them, honestly they're very close. If you don't want to build a rifle, this is the move. The URGI has done me very well also. It's splitting hairs. But a fully assembled rifle, the SD is well equipped and the trigger is awesome. The new URGIs have the same REBGC.
I unfortunately have a BO barrel on my 14.5 . Never oiled it . I want to see if anything ever happens. No issues so far . I’ll just spray paint it if I ever do. I have a few G uppers . They all run great. Upper/lower fit is def sloppy
I don't think it's a short term issue, probably a 2-3 year no love issue. IF it's not oiled then it CAN rust, but probably won't if it's periodically maintenance.
I got a blemula version and love mine. Don’t quite have as many rounds down range you do. Curious though, have you bore scoped the barrel by chance? I have the opportunity and scoped mine and with only roughly 100 rounds through it I have some gas port erosion already. Wasn’t sure if you have the same. My ballistic advantage and Rosco barrels don’t have that erosion with more rounds.
it's right at the gas hole towards the breach. My boss has several that show little to no erosion after several hundred rounds through various barrels and I have a few with some rounds down range with no erosion visible. It hasn't effected accuracy but just trying to see if you might have the similar wear since you have even more rounds through yours. @@navyman8903
Only getting warmed up at 1500 rds, and already making you happy. That's a good one. Guess all those "bendy Bill" trendy slurs were nothing more than a trendy fad? I would suppose so; he's pretty serious about making good gear. Hope you're staying safe. It's a quagmire these days.
@@navyman8903 I did, but couldn’t change the boss’s mind. He was in 2 OIS’s using a P320, there was nothing I could do to stop it. I just have to embrace the suck. Silver lining, we get red dots lol
@@MexicanNinja82 Okay, I'd definitely call that a downgrade. Not to mention a waste of tax dollars, considering you already had a very serviceable weapon.
Bro I can't tell if it's just like an optical distortion with the lens or something, or if your arm is actually that big, but holy shit ur forearm looks massive dude haha
The man the myth back again
I was eyeing for the longest time a Daniel Defense rifle, but after hearing nothing but good things about these Geiselle rifles I am confident this will be my next rifle.
Navy,
They had a green 11.5 Superduty on sale for the 4th and I hesitated and missed out, it was half price! I already have one and that’s why I hesitated, but it absolutely wouldn’t have hurt to have another! I’m super mad at myself!
Rick
@@theprepperrevelator I also did the same thing with a 16" super duty, I'm kicking myself. But next 4th I'll be ready.
On PA’s website it says the barrels are 4140 instead of 4150, was surprised by that, Geissele seems to be do great job across the board with their material choices with the barrel steel being the exception. Seems to a be a cost cutting option when you compare their barrels to BCM or centurion which is a shame since I really think they nailed the profile and they have in house forges which in my mind means quality barrel shortages should be over, no more 9-10 months of waiting for something to come back in stock.
Before anyone comments “it’s chrome lined, it doesn’t matter!” 4150 is a stronger steel that retains its strength with heat, it just deals with heat better in general.
I think that might be a typo, but let me look into it and get back to you on that.
Considering the G SD just did 900 CONSECUTIVE rounds full auto (youtube search it) before the gas tube ruptured, I think the barrel is probably fine. The DD 14.5 gov profile failed below 700 in the barrel.
@@navyman8903 I’ve seen a few sources but all very questionable besides PA, I’m a barrel snob so I get a bit obsessive over it and it’s the one thing holding me back because I think they’ve nailed just about everything besides maybe their off the shelf 16s being over gassed.
@@hannibalbarca2939 ua-cam.com/video/77LA-yjzl7s/v-deo.htmlsi=4w-VVvN0Wh6Sz-eJ this video? Sample of one but it did do well which may point to it being a typo on a few websites.
As a pure materials thing in a vacuum I'd agree. I learened a bit about CrMo alloys when I went to a CrMo brazing school and spent time brazing different CrMo tubes on my own thereafter. For bicycle frames. Things like on-paper materials differences are not always the same in application. When the measurable differences (rigidity/flexion, hardness/malleability, deformation at temperature) are in play, of course they matter. I'm saying perhaps the hammer forging process, if designed around 4140, may offset some of the on-paper material differences. It's about application, not on-paper.
Also important to bear in mind is this factor about any mechanical gear that has multiple levels of application. Many sports equipment (i.e. alpine skis, mountain bikes, off-road motos) have users that range from rank newbie know-nothing to Expert level users who use the gear for money/work. The great majority of users will be much closer to the newbie know-nothing level, and so the gear is designed in many cases for at best an "average" user. Not the extreme case user.
Not saying Geissele would intentionally under-build something. Just saying that user realities are always in play. Since they do govcontract mfre, and lots of mfre for more serious shooters otherwise (competitors), their user group is a bit more demanding and expects a bit more. Which contrasts to a newbie buying Geissele because of the reputation. Making such equipment (at Geissele's end of things) requires balancing the demands/needs of the overall user group.
I absolutely love my Geissele SD 11.5" with Surefire RC2 they work perfectly together. Nothing but Geissele going forward for me. Zero complaints.
Bout the same for me. I have 1 Criterion and 1 centurion build on my list. But the rest are Geissele. I'm also using REBCGs in my other builds.
Same here dude, I got a geissele super duty 16in and from now on geissele is my go to. Planing on getting an 11.5 soon
I used to love G, but have since had a change of heart. I had an 11.5 SD shit the bed when the ejector roll pin walked, which mangled the feed ramps and cause peening of the bolt ejector roll pin hole. I replaced it with an 11.5 URGI which had jacked up feed ramps, an off center gas tube hole, and a short chamber which absolutely mangled brass and deformed projectiles. So now I’m back to Colt & Centurion Arms.
Damn, that's a series of unfortunate events. I'm sorry they couldn't get you a good product. Geissele absolutely owed you better than that.
@@navyman8903 I still have a 10.3 G SBR and a 16” SD upper on a BCM lower which have been great. G is capable of making a stellar product but I believe their QA/QC to be lacking.
Did they RMA for you and fix it all for free? I am going to be furious if you tell me they didn't.
@@hannibalbarca2939 they did. However, the SD return label took forever and I never actually received the label, so I sold that upper to my friend with full disclosure and they fixed it for him. With the URGI, I had had enough and just returned for a refund. I then bought an 11.5 Centurion and couldn’t be happier with it.
@@w.w.9047 Lots of industrial businesses got whacked by subpar QA/QC during the past several years, panic/volume buying meant rushed schedules etc. Many companies suffered, and not just in the world of firearms. The ones that find their way back to normal QA/QC will survive, though.
I put SSA trigger springs in my SSA-E. Adds some trigger weight.
Good to see you back! I hope all is well with you. I've got the 11.5" Super Duty. Definitely a bit pricey, but it's great. It's second only to the 11.5" I built using a Criterion Core barrel, ADM's ambi receiver set, FCD handguard, a Sionics NP3 BCG, and a LaRue MBT-2S. I absolutely love that gun. The Core barrel is awesome and the ambi controls on the ADM lower are fantastic. But the 11.5" Super Duty is really great too, especially if ambi controls aren't a concern. Geissele's lower parts feel really nice as is. Yeah, I swapped out the grip immediately for a Magpul K2. A2 style grips are awful. The REBCG is fantastic!
That’s gonna be my next purchase is either a 1.5” or 16” upper.
I was going to do a 11.5 upper sionic with a LMT abi lower. May I ask why you chose your build??
@@ThePerpetualStudent Mostly because I like Criterion Core barrels and really like how ADM does their ambi controls. Sionics makes really nice barrels too though, and LMT's ambi lower is probably the most popular ambi lower on the market. I've actually been thinking of putting together a build using Sionics' newish mid-length 12.5" barrel.
I have a 11.5 with the SF close tine flash hider, also no reinforced qd in rail. Love mine, the BCG is the nicest l ever, cleans easily, very smooth.
Dear Mr Squid. Your Hero here, Marine Infantry 👋. OOORAH!!! KILL!!! Anyway. I believe that Bill Geissele has put together one of the best rifles on the market. I love his parts kits. And triggers. My favorite being the Tricon. I figured that one out. It's for old school Navy boiler techs, RP's and Rob O'Neil that have weak fingerbang game. But also works equally well for motivated killers such as Marines, Boatswain Mates and Green Side Corpsmen. I like that trigger shoe.
If I were to suggest a one and done. It would be a Geissele Super Duty. You are right. For what you get. By the time you buy all the crap that the Geissele rifles come with. You are in it for the same price. Or more. The only thing I'm not really into is the Super 42 setup. Much bigger fan of the A5 system. In particular the New BCM Mk2. But I digress. I have a friend that has two 16" Geissele Super Duty's. Both setup the same, we train when we can. He's running gen 3 Razors on Geissele mounts.
I'm also a fan of the maritime bolt catch and the ambi saftey. Because I shoot with the Devils hand.
The only other rifle that I think is as value driven is a BCM with all the Mk2 improvements. I believe there are several companies that has solved the bolt stress issue. SOLGW, Sionics and Jim Hodge (Those guys all run in the same circles.) all run a M4 upper that's a thicker cut from Cerro. Weighs I believe a ounce more. When they removed the carry handle off of the A2 upper. They removed a lot of rigidity. BCM has the Mk2 with a better forward assist location and rigidity with no weight penalties. Vltor has the MUR. That's heavier than the aforementioned. And gives you a higher shelf. The competition guys love the MUR.
BCM has stated they have seen bolt life drastically improve.
Companies like Geissele, LWRC and LMT have improved the overall bolt design. At a much higher cost.
We live in good times for blasters my man. And optics.
That's a primo overview. Thanks for posting.
It makes sense to me. If you want to go beyond a basic AR and want a "buy it for life" go to war gun that you won't dream about changing anything on excepting perhaps very personal things like the grip or butt, here you are. It's expensive, but so is home building to this level. May as well let them do it for you and reap small savings from their production volume. Glad to hear they upped the ante on the barrel finish, though.
Could you have an excellent lifetime GtW rifle made with less expensive components? Absolutely. I tried to do that with my rifle and I enjoy it very much. This is for when you want to go the extra mile with the details, as Navy explained.
Speaking of details, how do you oil your barrel? I wiped my phosphated barrel with an oiled rag when I assembled it but now with the MCMR handguard I'll be spraying oil through the gaps and blasting the excess off with my air compressor.
Ps: As hinted above, I finished my 20" rifle and let me tell you, I studied both of your 20" videos a ton in the planning phase. As in, multiple rewatches over time with a paper and pen to hand. I also took into consideration a lot of other points that you mentioned in various videos (and points made by other youtubers). The bottom line is that I'm in your debt. I finally built /my/ fighting rifle and I love everything about it. I'm excited to learn and grow with it and there isn't anything I want to change. At the moment I'm just debating whether I'll keep the rear and front handbrake combo on it or just run the front one (which isn't moving). Thank you, and if you're interested, I can send a video breaking down the build via youtube.
Thank you for the feedback and I'm glad I could be helpful with your build. I went down a lot of wrong way streets through the years, buying/selling a lot of guns, money pits, and finally ending up where I am now. But you see all of the money invested in everything and no one gives me anything. Ultimately I'm glad my experiences and advice helps others.
If you are careful about parts selection you can build a very accurate, very reliable rifle for less than the cost of a Geissele complete. Most people, though, are not mechanically minded enough to understand the parts selection matrix and more importantly the system understanding -- how it all works together. Most people don't want to tune their gas system or their buffer weight/buffer spring weight, they want turnkey reliability. For those folks a Geissele complete is a smart deal. No time spent parts picking, no time spent assembling, no distractions. Just get the rifle & go shoot.
@seanoneil277 well said and sage advice.
@navyman8903 Hi again, I'll drop my build here for your perusal. Note that the suppressor should probably be the Mini 2, but I haven't bought one yet. I do have a regular RC2 awaiting approval, though. That one most likely belongs on a future shorty. I call this the "A6" because it takes the A5 system and goes a step further with modern furniture, optic, and barrel.
Upper: Aero no forward assist
Barrel: Criterion CORE 20"
Bolt: Microbest chrome with phosphate extractor, Sprinco extractor spring, and black extractor insert
Bolt Carrier: Microbest chrome
Gas Block: VLTOR clamp-on .625
Gas tube: CMMG stainless rifle-length
Flash Hider: Surefire SOCOM 3-Prong
Charging Handle: Aero Breach large latch
Handguard: BCM MCMR 15"
Rail furniture: ERGO Hand Stop
Lower: Aero mil spec Tacoma Heritage
Trigger: Larue MBT-2S, standard spring
UPK/LPK: Aero, Colt front takedown detent (the Aero went sproing into a black hole, unfortunately)
Safety: FCD ASF-50Q (50 degree, left long, right short)
Bolt Catch: FCD ABC/R v3 RB (rearward biased), Serrated
Buffer Tube: VLTOR A5
Buffer: VLTOR A5-2, VLTOR standard spring
Stock: Magpul SL-S
Pistol Grip: Magpul MIAD Gen 1.1. Large backstrap, A2 tab front.
Iron Sights: Magpul MBUS Pro
Optic: PA PlxC 1-8x Griffin Mil LPVO
Optic Mount: ADM Recon titanium lever QD 30mm, 1.47" height.
Scope caps: Tenebraex
Sling: Vickers padded
QD Swivels: Magpul
Light and mount: REIN 3.0 w/100 Concepts cap, Torrent Inline M-LOK
Suppressor: Surefire SOCOM 5.56 or Mini
Magazines: PMAG GEN M3 Window
Notes: Barrel was thermal fit (heat gun). Free-float required dremeling of handguard interior. Would have been fine with set screw type.
Weight: 10.05 lbs empty unsuppressed.
@@navyman8903 Thank you sir. Appreciate the video.
JUST WHEN I THOUGHT YOU ABANDON ME, YOU HIT ME WITH EXACTLY WHAT I WANT
Almost grabbed up this exact rifle but decided to get a SOLGW that's pin&welded. So far she's been through 2 classes with zero issue. So far it's my most "balanced" feeling rifle. What's odd is I can almost get 1moa with Speer 75g sp but with 77g otm it gets 1.25-1.6moa.
love my 16" super duty
They really are fantastic rifles. I got a little carried away during the 2019 Black Friday launch and bought one 16" in each color. Then, after waiting for over 3 months to get them, I used my stack of 35% off coupons to buy an 11.5" "pistol" once they launched, as well as a ton of other parts and accessories for my family and friends so they could "Geissele all the things." It turned out to be a pretty "Super" deal, especially now that they're selling for twice what I paid for mine, and that's without a $150 Surefire muzzle device included. I only wish mine had come with 4 prong flash hiders instead of the 3 prongers, but that's not really a big deal.
You honestly played it right. I have an ODG 16" I want to SPR and a ODG 14.5 I want to pick up. As well as a backup 14.5 URGI upper and an 11.5 URGI upper. As well as a bunch of spare REBCGs.
G$ has quickly became my favorite company.
Did they fix there rust issue with the barrels
There was some overblown uproar because they used a black oxide finish briefly during Covid supply chain struggles, but they've long since returned to the manganese phosphate coating. I'm not sure how much of a "rust issue" it really was or not, but it was definitely something all the wannabe internet experts freaked out over.@@TheJoeml85
@TheJoeml85 yes they changed the coating back and are no longer using the black oxide.
Agree with you 100%. I picked up this same Rifle last week and I'm in love (ditched the grip as well). I have a ton of different ARs in the safe and this is now on top. Blew through way too much ammo this weekend because I didn't want to stop shooting, LOL.
Doesn't matter if I'm shooting long range with it, or shredding targets up close. I can't stop shooting it. It's just so well balanced and well gassed. I don't want to put it down.
BCM, DD, G, KAC. Flip a coin, they’re all gtg. I got into Knights while prices were still reasonable ($1700 uppers) so, KAC 14.5/ mini 2 & KAC 11.5/ KAC QDC CQB.
Dig your perspective.
I miss those days. I do have a sweet spot for Knights also.
Bought my wife the 14.5 green one . She fell in love with it at A gun shop in Tennessee. The 90degree safety is a con for me. Might radian it. Rifle is sweet though
I prefer the 90s but I get why people love the radian 45 degrees.
This 14. 5 Is phenomenal! I run the mini2 silencer on mine and the SBC2 silencer on my 11.5 Super Duty. My 16 in. SD is set up as a DMR type rifle. The 14.5 P/W with a silencer makes all the difference in the world from a 16 in. barrel and mini2.
I prefer the BCM Gunfighter pistol grip. I love the B5 stock. Looking at you Daniel Defense, lol.
The 14.5 setup will make head shots at 384 yds all day long with AAC 77 Sierras and its EoTech and G45 magnifier. Wish I had a range to shoot further.
Ever since I ran across the Super Select Fire trigger during the GWOT, I was sold on Geissele’s triggers and ran the SSA exclusively until I got three Super Duty firearms.
The SD line gives you everything you need, and nothing flashy. If I could only have one AR, it would be the 14.5 SD!
Oh, btw, if you don’t like the P/W flashhider, a gunsmith can remove the muzzle device and P/W a muzzle device of your choice.
Thank you for the mini2 feedback and the run down of your experiences. I really do love these rifles, they've been nothing but stellar for me.
I was between this and the URGI, found a deal on this upper first so I went with it, think it would up being a better the option because of the barrel profile, shoots amazing. Got the thing built for ~1600 with all some sweet Labor Day sales (all Geissele parts). Only disappointment is that I got the p/w Geissele flash hider instead of the surefire, not that I’ve had any problems with the Geissele one, but it would have been nice to have Surefire suppressor compatibility.
Love super duties. I’ve pretty much been running them exclusively since I first tried one.
They're my go-to now. They just shoot so smoothly, accurately, and reliably.
You had me at, "do you hate government profiles"
I absolutely love my luna black 14.5 SD. Definetely my go to over anything else I have ran. It also matches my cat lol.
I’m torn between that and the ddc
Good to see you back to making videos. I liked my VCOG 1-6 I traded it for a 1-8 accupower for the brightness.
I really like the 1-8. It does a lot of things well.
I love captive components! KAC has wobble! So does both of my LWRCs :(
Damn, I didn't know LWRC did it too
20:40 usually that’s why I’m not one of the pilot customers are usually let other people use the first GEN so that way I can get the updated version my lesson learned with pistol lights from MODLITE
Smart for sure. I am usually in that same boat with you, I think knowing Geissele's quality over the years made early adoption okay in my mind. But I still got bit in a few places lol. The black oxide finish being one of them.
Indeed. Had two of these triggers before picking up a minimal salt SD for 1200 with geiselle flip ups. Everything but this horrendous grip destroys!!! All I changed was the charging handle.
The gov or the airborne, whatever it is, the SCH is better for my dumb hands.
Took my two days to watch the vid but it was worth it, shout out to the cats!
I’ve been a subscriber since “that incident”, so glad you’re still making informative videos.
Thanks for sticking around. I appreciate it.
I have the 16” version of this gun. It has quickly become one of my favorites to shoot. Trigger is fantastic. I’m looking to pick up a 14.5” upper at some point, or maybe a complete rifle. My problem is that no dealer in my area carries these because of the price point. The one I bought sat on my dealer’s shelf for months before I decided to buy it. Anyway, great review of a great rifle.
That is a struggle for sure, I've only seen one LGS carry them and they don't sell cheap stuff as a rule. But everyone else doesn't seem to carry them.
I had to order mine, it’s a good rifle.
Ah, Geissele. My favorite parts bin assembler.
Have the 16" upper wish there was more info. out there about the benefits of the "Geissele Length" gas system and why they went with that length. Appears to be a tad longer than a mid length all I know is it shoots super smooth with that Super 42 H2. Excellent content per usual, glad to see you back thought maybe the guys at Sig got to you after you destroyed them in the last one lol.
Lol nah, SIG has been real quiet. More M18s have broken at work too. There's been 3 uncommanded discharges during qualifications at the school house here too. It's bad. Also I'm planning to pick up a 16" or 2. They're great.
If you read a bit about gas system management you may find that tube length affects dwell time, in addition to recoil impulse force. I don't understand the rifle's gas system and combustion event well enough to say what the dwell time effects are, I just have observed that people discuss the matter of dwell time and efficient combustion when talking gas systems. And that both aspects affect not only recoil impulse, but also accuracy & velocity. Not suggesting "big effects" but rather that they are variables in the mix.
And we back like like your Dad from the grocery store!
You can get them for 1499. Love mine....need another. Or the complete upper for 999 free shipping. Can't go wrong
What are the best websites to find them for that price ?
@ilirians2183 Geissle's site, Primary Arms, when they have sales. Generally every 3-4 months
Great review for this rifle! Been loving the 14.5 for a while now. Running it with the PA PLXc 1-8 and testing out 77gr match ammos. So far, Remington Premier Match has been the best with nice ½" group at 100 (minus shooter error.)
Thanks for watching and that's solid performance for sure. These Geissele rifles really love the heavy grain weights.
Have the exact same upper, it's great. Kind of annoying to see that they stopped including the Surefire muzzle devices and kept at the same price (IIRC). It also sucks that they use that anti-rotation tab in the upper receiver instead of the standard mk16 rail.
I agree with the first part, but the receiver cut for the rail is much more rigid and repeatable when reinstalling. Much more reliable than the side tabs.
@@navyman8903 I swapped out the original rail for a mk14 so I just had the mk16* orphaned for a while sitting in a box until I put together another upper. Nobody's going to want to buy the mk16* it since it will only work with those receivers. (edit: Also annoying that there's no Geissele engraving on the rail. Just seems like they were being cheap by skipping it)
It's a decent system for anti rotation but its still not perfect, it's not an alignment tab with how much clearance there is in the fit. Can get just as good of an alignment running a fingernail on both sides of the receiver seam.
It's one of those things that's fine, but it's just not to my personal preference.
Why'd they stop?
@@pouuko7656 "Supply chain." Really no excuse to stop offering the SF devices, since you could still offer them in whatever quantity you are able, and then sell a cheaper version of the rifle with the Geissele flash hider.
The reason they didn't do this is probably because the real goal is to creep their prices upward to match inflation and this is a more effective strategy for that. They can keep the price of the rifle the same while saving money producing them and most people wont know any different. Then later they can offer the SF muzzle devices (and/or other brands) again and upcharge for them.
At a minimum, all of the pinned and welded versions should have a surefire.
I am an AR15 collector and love the platform. I have many offerings from different manufacturers including KAC, LMT, HK, LWRCI, SWORD, BGD, DD, Larue, ADM, and now Hodge. I will never buy a Geissele SD as I feel it is overpriced. I buy Geissele triggers and feel the make the second best charging handle on the market. But I am just not a Geissele rifle fan.
With 30% off, you feel like it's overpriced vs ADM or DD? Seriously? No one buys G$ at full price, wait for their big sales.
LOVE my SD 14.5, but i personally think the REBCG is a waste of money.
I get it, but it's very strong. How the form the bolt is excellent/incredibly strong. The coating also makes it run smoother. They are incredibly spendy though. I think they're about 75 doll hairs over priced.
I’m going to sleep good tonight with your beautiful voice in the background
Awwww thanks, best compliment.
Thanks for the great reviews of Geissele. I've been watching all your videos and because of you I recently purchased a 16" Geissele super duty and love it. Like you said in your review, the qd slots now have the steel inserts. I did receive a Geissele flash hider, nanocoated, but heard they were going to change to giving you the option of what kind you wanted to have in the future, so you could install a can if thats the route you wanted to go. I guess a drop down menu of some sort to choose the muzzle device they are offering. Cool idea if it actually pans out. I did receive a new Geissele grip. Its very textured and believe its either a 19° or 21°. Its definitely a lot nicer than the previous one. I actually bought two grips with my rifle because I thought I was going to have to change it out when I got it. Evidently that wasn't the case. I'll probably just keep the grip it came with on it, its that good. Lastly, I bought mine through Brownell's at a very good price , I think. Especially in today's market. I paid $1759 and was able to use a 10% discount code from Tactical Advisors channel which was "TA10". Basically paid for the tax, which was nice. With the two grips and the rifle it was $1776.00 out the door. I also got the luna black rifle to save money. I wanted the desert dirt color, but couldn't justify the extra $ 200 bucks for it....especially when they make some great camo paint. Not sure I can stomach that route though. Something doesn't seem right about paying that much for a rifle and then throwing a $20 dollar spray paint on it. Anyways, just wanted to thank you for supplying the great reviews! Please keep it up. I like how you set up your videos and how detailed they are. Kinda like Nutnfacy's old reviews, which I enjoy and have to admit I miss how often he use to do them. I can watch those reviews for hours lol.
Take care!
You got an excellent deal and played your cards right. The new spark muzzle device is keeping me from buying any more 14.5s from Geissele at the moment. I'm going to get some 16" guns and change the muzzle device, but I really wanted that nano weapon coating. That said though, I love these rifles. They shoot great and I'm looking forward to building out a couple of 16" Super Duty rifles in the future. I know that rifle will suit you well.
That's cool, but spray paint is the way to go.
I don’t know about anyone else but I enjoyed your little friend stepping into the video. Thanks for the great review
Awesome rifle, I think that the deal online now where you can get a urgi and 1-6 is a great starter for under 2500. Sure it's not a great optic but at least it gives you a good starting point and you can sell it to buy something better then reuse the super precision mount.
That is legit.
Good to have you back, man.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Great video, always informative. Keep em coming.
Well I was going to do a radian build with a criterion 14.5 barrel but the barrel’s are unavailable and Criterion couldn’t give me an ETA, so…… I just ordered the Geissele 14.5 in OD. Got a Black Friday price , can’t wait to get my hands on it . Thanks for the review and the positive recommendation on Geissele .
I think you will be very happy with your purchase. Please keep me updated.
@@navyman8903 will do !
Brothaman - had to order me one of these from impact guns yesterday. You certainly played a part in that!! Also these are back in stock at Geissele automatics website in 16” OD Green. This is not April fools joke. For real.
I'll have to pick one up. Thanks for letting me know, and glad I could be a part of your decision making equation.
Thrilled you are back, excellent video
Thanks man. I appreciate it.
I have a URGI kinda clone...everything the same but with an FN barrel. Does great
Good to see you post again
More to come! Thanks for dropping in and watching.
Came for the pallas cat stayed for the cool ass video
Awww thanks man.
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Great video! Love my 11.5 and want this next.
It’s the BENDI BENDI BENDI BOY
Have to save this for later, but wanted to let you know that you’ve been missed. Xoxo 🇺🇸
Glad to see videos from you again
Thanks man. Always appreciate it.
YESSSSS, MORE KNOWLEDGE!
My super duties have been the best rifles I’ve ever had so far. I find it hard to get anything else when with sales and mil discounts you can get one for the price of a BCM 😂
You're going to really like the Mini2. I have a Mini2 and RC2 and honestly I like the Mini2 more, it's perfect on a 14.5". I run it on a lot of rifles, from a 11.85" PWS to a 12.5" and 14.5". There is almost no difference in performance between RC2 and Mini2 on 11.85" bbl and longer in my opinion. My RC2 basically just lives on my MK18 now because I prefer to shoot the Mini2 on everything else.
I can't wait to get one.
@@navyman8903 Personally, I'd hold out a little while for the Mini 3.
Good to see you back man!
Thanks for watching and sticking with me, I appreciate it.
Thanks for this vidéo !!! I love m'y Geissele SD.
I am kind of AR'd out...but I never did get a higher-tier one. This one looks nice.
I get it. Thanks for watching anyway.
What’s you’re thoughts on Geissele super duty vs BCM RECCE vs Daniel Defense DDM4 V7? Who’s giving you the most quality for your money?
1st is Geissele, 2nd is DD, 3rd is BCM for me.
@@navyman8903 with all the bat shit crazy stuff happening here and abroad I’m going to take the plunge and buy an AR. I think the Super Duty will be the one Geissele has one on their web site with an LVPO 1-6 in orange lol , seems like a pretty fair deal for what you’re getting . I’ll be joining a local outdoor range shortly so I can get training . Thanks
Love my 14.5 superduper duty
It's a great gun.
The geissele super duty's doesn't come with the surefire flash hider anymore
Yup. I was supposed to cover that later in the bad, but it looks like I cut it out. I'm going to do a short follow on video here soon.
Took the plunge on Halloween, re-barreling my 13.9 with G CHF. Wish it was a little heavier profile but should we good for the intended application.
Me too sometimes, but I put them through their paces. I'm not mag dumping, but multiple 5-6 shot strings suppressed or un suppressed. With some extra long firing drills in between gives them a work out. With repeatable accuracy. Definitely not pencil barrel problems. I always worry about it on the front end, but after a day of shooting I know it's fine on the back end.
Yeah, that Sparkout muzzle device is a huge buzzkill. Looks like Geissele is charging the same price for complete uppers and rifles with the Sparkout as the ones that used to have the Surefire closed tine flash hider. Not cool from Billy G$.
Yeah, I'm not super pumped about that move. It's keeping me from buying that ODG 14.5 I want to get. I'm going to wait until they put the SF flash hider back on there. They'll get to it eventually, this is a short term fix. But I need my 5.56 AR's to be surefire suppressor ready.
Hello. Thanks for review. Here in Czech Republic this rifle costs more then HK MR223 (not much more, but still, about 20% more) and it's +50% compared to BCM . If you had to choose one - wich one would you prefer? And which barrel length you'd take: 11 (it's OK to have it here)/14.5/16?
I really like the HK MR223. That is what I would go with. Very accurate guns. The 16" is an excellent all rounder.
Glad you made it back broseph.
Thank you for this video, but I have a question for you. If the overall barrel length is 16 inches, what's the advantage of a 13.7" over a 14.5" pin & weld barrel? It seems as though you would have a little more velocity out of a 14.5" vs a 13.7" & on top of that a shorter rail on a 13.7". Thank you in advance & look forward to your future videos.
I'm not huge on the 13.7 unless you SBR it. Having the 14.5 just makes more sense. Some dudes want to drop dead on 16 inches exactly. But the 14.5 is flushed out perfectly fine, and will give you more velocity. So I don't see a need to go below 14.5. Especially if you're shooting past 400 yards. You'll want every bit of velocity you can squeeze out of your rifle.
to run a better flash hider and still have a 16in pinned gun.
@@navyman8903 Yes, 16 or greater always! (the SBR hoops and costs may be a bigger factor than the velocity margins)
@@seanoneil277 velocity is key in a lot of 5.56 math problems for sure. The more I shoot out to 500-600 yards, the more I favor 16"+.
@@navyman8903 And I bet you have excellent practical reasons & situations for use that make shorties a wise choice, in some situations. If I lived in a city full of concrete highdensity buildings and thought I'd spend a lot of time in tight hallways, going through doorways, etc, I'd probably just put on a sour face and jump through the hoops and pay the $$. But as it is, I've never even shot a shorty! Besides, those physics classes in college liked to use projectile problems, and I can't shake the velocity hangup much as I try.
Ah, just what I needed to know what to spend my next paycheck on.
Subbed for the black cat
you said you were going to circle back and talk about the muzzle device change on the current version, but you never did
You're absolutely correct. I realized it after uploading it. I chopped out that segment somehow in editing. I might make a short or a quick follow up. Thank you for keeping me honest.
Table tab review with a magazine full of rounds 👏🏼
Yup
The barrels are magnesium phosphate coated now, instead of black oxide.
At least according to their website.
Maybe your Booooo’s worked!
I have the same upper with the p4xi. I really like the setup. I won a shooting event with it last year and have another one coming up in a few weeks. Super pleased with the super duty line. I need to try the ssa-ex next
Also forgot to note that the finish on my barrel is crap. Under certain lighting it looks brown. Surface rust is taking over. I may get it cerakoted to prevent it from going to hell
I got my 11.5 when you did I dont think that will happen again, after shooting it I bought a enhanced bcg for my bcm , I think I have 5 airborne charging handles for different rifles they are the best . I deffently like the old finish on the barrels.
✊🏾 my SLR has the lighting bow. I like the difference in between the two triggers so I didn’t upgrade my AR’s from the old school SSA-e/ Super T(the original lighting bow)
Those QDs arent there on all of them for sure. Unless they have an assload of supply and arent doing it. Got an upper and a few rails in the last 2months and still the old way. Although I prefer it and havent had any troubles
Really? I got an upper last year black friday and it came with the reinforced QDs as well as the mag phosphate barrel.
@Da-Innanet so did I but have since got multiple and they don't have it as of last.month the latest one. That's from geissele direct too
Navyman is back. We need a political update ASAP, I wanna hear your takes because they are actually conservative and not nuclear war is 2 days away for the past 2 years.
I have to be extremely careful with the most current of events.
@@navyman8903 understood man
@@navyman8903that’s fair. Don’t do anything to get yourself in trouble. But we always enjoy your thoughts on events.
Have you considered cerakoting the barrel? Seems like a quick fix to enhance corrosion resistance.
Also, just curious: Frank Proctor sling?
It's a BFG sling, that's also not a bad idea.
You are a special person. You use a pallas cat for your avatar
I just ordered last night a 11.5 ddc with huxwrx md. Based on the specs its a manganese phosphate now so hoping ill get that not the black oxide. Great review!
So for someone who shoots frequently, if I'm choosing between a $1500 BCM build, and a $2200 G, you would spend the extra on the G?
Unrelated side note: Thank you for mentioning the "Nature is Metal" page years ago lol it's rad.
Nature is metal goes so hard. Also it depends on what you're looking for. I do prefer the G to a BCM, but both are good to go imo. I like the REBCG and the trigger, coupled with Geissele's barrel. I like that they're making CHF chrome lined barrels in that profile. They work extremely well and have been very accurate for me.
G usually runs big black Friday sales, I picked up a 16” last year for under $1400 at Brownells.
I bought the standalone mk16 rail in ddc. I got the standalone giessele super duty upper in black with a 14.5 G barrel. And their gas block. Kinda like making a super duty but color schemed like the urgi. Idk but I think that’s what you were talking about at the end. But doing it this way do you think I end up with a less superior rifle? It kinda sounded like you think it’s not worth it.
Thank you for not doing any "Oh no! Mr Bill!" voice impressions.
Super duty or URGI upper, or same 🤷♂️
I have a video comparing them, honestly they're very close. If you don't want to build a rifle, this is the move. The URGI has done me very well also. It's splitting hairs. But a fully assembled rifle, the SD is well equipped and the trigger is awesome. The new URGIs have the same REBGC.
Now you just need to paint it!😃
Please check out Centurion Arms. Great barrels there, too.
Lookin BULKY chief 💪
Thanks man, I'm trying.
You doing ok bro? You're my favorite guy for 2A to watch.
I'm good. Just struggling to find time to edit.
Welcome back!
I unfortunately have a BO barrel on my 14.5 . Never oiled it . I want to see if anything ever happens. No issues so far . I’ll just spray paint it if I ever do. I have a few G uppers . They all run great. Upper/lower fit is def sloppy
I don't think it's a short term issue, probably a 2-3 year no love issue. IF it's not oiled then it CAN rust, but probably won't if it's periodically maintenance.
@@navyman8903How do you know if you have the BO barrel?
Hi Kitty!!! I want a matching kitty and rifle combo!
I got a blemula version and love mine. Don’t quite have as many rounds down range you do.
Curious though, have you bore scoped the barrel by chance? I have the opportunity and scoped mine and with only roughly 100 rounds through it I have some gas port erosion already. Wasn’t sure if you have the same.
My ballistic advantage and Rosco barrels don’t have that erosion with more rounds.
I haven't scoped it yet, but I can look into it. Can you define some? And were are you seeing it? Muzzle side or towards the breach?
it's right at the gas hole towards the breach. My boss has several that show little to no erosion after several hundred rounds through various barrels and I have a few with some rounds down range with no erosion visible. It hasn't effected accuracy but just trying to see if you might have the similar wear since you have even more rounds through yours.
@@navyman8903
Now leaning towards a high end 14.5 build , what’s your take on Criterion barrels? Thinking of a Radian builders kit .
Criterion is good to go.
Only getting warmed up at 1500 rds, and already making you happy. That's a good one. Guess all those "bendy Bill" trendy slurs were nothing more than a trendy fad? I would suppose so; he's pretty serious about making good gear.
Hope you're staying safe. It's a quagmire these days.
We definitely live in crazy times.
Good milspec rifles. I basically only run BCM and SD’s at this point.
Good choices.
My Shipmate has returned
Yessir! Always great to see you in the comments.
Welcome back man, always good to see your videos. I have some horrible news, my agency is switching to P320s😢
I suppose "horrible" is relative, depending on what you're switching from.
Thanks for dropping in man, and just show them all of the lawsuits and the ND videos.
@@navyman8903 I did, but couldn’t change the boss’s mind. He was in 2 OIS’s using a P320, there was nothing I could do to stop it. I just have to embrace the suck. Silver lining, we get red dots lol
@@doktorfaustus brand new gen5 17s.
@@MexicanNinja82 Okay, I'd definitely call that a downgrade. Not to mention a waste of tax dollars, considering you already had a very serviceable weapon.
Hyped up
Bro I can't tell if it's just like an optical distortion with the lens or something, or if your arm is actually that big, but holy shit ur forearm looks massive dude haha