Review Video: What Causes Bricking?
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
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Excellent video, well explained and scientific testing as opposed to all of the other videos related to bricking which mainly are just rants and have anecdotal evidence. Looking forward to your next tests. I recently bought a dongle dock similar to the cfans model and it worked fine but decided against using it again after all the bricking news.
Is the bricking issue fixed?
@@jpeezy420jjjjj it cannot be "fixed", you just need a Dock that was made exclusively for the switch weird power requirement like the Skull&Co one or the Genki one... as far as I know, they are the only two company who did it right !
@@QuentinMatthysBoeckmansYJInteresting information, I will stop charging my switch with a 30w Motorola charger, I don't want it to die
In a perfect world, we can save all the Switches which were affected by poor electrical design and lack of compliance with the standards. In this world, we also would have expected that Nintendo would never follow electrical standards, even at the risk of their products when used with other accessories.
Even if this world is not perfect, I, as a fellow systems engineer, am glad that a team out there who finds that it's worth the time to look into a critical issue like this. I hope your kickstarter goes well, and I look forward to seeing a well designed product on the shelves soon!
Thank you :)
Long story short you want a passthrough power supply using the og power adapter that also pulls 1080p out
So I can use any of them as long as I use the original Nintendo power adapter is what your sayingM
You either didn't watch it or didn't understood what has been said....
@@AcidDotDrop Thats why he is asking... but the stuck-up reply was very helpful to him ore anyone else expecting the best of you.
@@frankyboi45 He wasn't asking, he was making a false statment. The one who was asking a question, sean, wasn't the one I replied to. Perhaps you are new to this youtube thing, if there is no @ at the start of a reply, it is directed at the original comment, not at other replies. Hence your username at the start of this comment since I am replying to you, not the original comment. An now appreciate the irony of your comment being even less helpful than this entire outdated topic. Congratulations, you played yourself.
@@AcidDotDrop Do you need any assistance? Do you have someone we can call sir? You will feel better after a couple of minutes a glass of water and resuming your medication.
Thank you for clearly explaining the issues
thanks, i really appreciate the
knowledge! i learn a lot.
That explains a lot! Very nice!
Thank you :)
thanks for the informative video
I'm curious about something- the Genki Bluetooth adapter originally wasn't going to include pass through charging due to concerns with bricking. Eventually they said they did research into what causes bricking and found a way to do it safely, leading to pass through charging on the production model. I'm curious to see your analysis of the power supply that the Genki provides. If you could include that in a future video I would be very grateful.
Thank you for this video! I found it very informative. I had wanted to get a compact portable dock and had planned on getting a cheaper one on Amazon at first. However, after watching this video I will be much more careful what products I get to power my Switch. I'm glad you're doing so much work to ensure the jumpgate safely does what it's supposed to. It's nice to see products engineered with such quality.
Thanks for your suggestion :)
Great video btw!
Video: What Causes Bricking?
UA-cam: Hey, uh, I just wanted to set your description. Are you playing _Minecraft?_
Minecraft does have a lot of bricks...
I bought a cheap one that also runs Bluetooth headphones. Zero issues. I have been using the original switch power supply
3:52 ..it should deliver FIVE volts, before upgrading to fifteen volts.
Oops...well spotted! :)
@@skullco.supportteam5747 Does charge only c cables require that ohm resistor? This is confusing as I’d like to know if i can safely charge my switch with a regular 5v 1A power brick and a cable which says “min/max power 5v 2A”.
Great video, very infomative. Still, this is very delicate topic, because no one wants to risk their system. I'd love to have the jumpgate but i'm on the fence, it may work for now but some future update might mess it up.
We have shipped over 7000 units and so far, we have encountered no cases of bricking. If our firmware is blocked at any point, we will provide a firmware update to allow the Jumpgate to function again.
@@skullco.supportteam5747 It seems legit from what i've seen, looks like you guys are doin' your best. I guess it's mostly Nintendo fault and their PD protocol. Thanks for the reply, i'll get a unit as soon as i can.
Great! Feel free to contact our support team if you need any help (support@skullnco.com).
@@skullco.supportteam5747 May I know how does the firmware update work. Is the update for the switch or is it for the jumpgate?
@@skullco.supportteam5747 Also, can I safely use a GameCube controller (the new version design for switch with USB-C wire. It is called the HORI battlepad) connected to the skullnco core drive which is also connected to the switch and the official Nintendo charging adapter without bricking the switch
I really want this but I wasn't able to drop money on the kickstarter. Any possible chance of being able to pick this up at a later date?
:c
Sure, in a couple of weeks it will be available on Indiegogo Indemand and at the end of Dec/beginning of Jan on Amazon US :)
: D
Nice video, it would be nice an update, including the genki cover dock. Until where i know i has bkicked 0 nintendo switches.
You can also do this yourself by getting a basstop dock enclosure for 12 bucks
Hi Skull & Co
all your products are really great, just wanted to know if you'll ever do a video covering other dock and other issues while charging.
Also, regarding the problem that has been found that third-party dock keep sending current to the Switch while on sleep mode, docked and fully charged instead of the very low-profil current it's suppose to deliver, is your dock safe regarding this issue ?
Thanks a lot in advance for taking the time to answer.
We haven't had any issues reported regarding leaving the Switch docked on the Jumpgate overnight. If you ever need assistance please feel free to contact our support team: support@skullnco.com. Thank you.
any updates on your research? what of the switch oled, does it charge differently?
Could you test the 2 Yok brand Switch docks? The have an actual dock and a "dockless" dock lol, I bought the dock but I heard people have had issues with 3rd party docks.
If you purchase the basic jumpgate dock on Kickstarter without the core drive, it still contains the electronic components to make it work as a dock for the Switch, correct? It’s just not removable?
Can you please provide an update on your progress with researching the bricking issues? Have you figured out why the Nyko dock was bricking? According to WULFF DEN
, even the official Switch dock has errors and does not follow the correct Power Delivery Protocol. Should Jumpgate follow the standard PDP or should it follow whatever differences and changes Nintendo has made to it for the official Switch dock?
We will soon be releasing another video on the bricking issue. Watch this space ;)
That's a really good point.
Don't trust Wulf den with tech stuff. He has said many things that just aren't correct.
@@skullco.supportteam5747any updates?
is there any update on the cause of bricking? specifically with the nyko dock and a/c adapter?
Not at this stage. We will keep investigating the bricking issue.
What if i use the jumpgate dock with a third party 15v PD and USB type C to C compliance cable. Will i be okay?
Seems okay, but not guaranteed. I've asked a related question to Skull and Co. (on Indiegogo) and this is their reply: (note that the 45W charger they are referring to is the purchasable adapter on top of Jumpgate dock)
" @Noel O. Both the official AC adapter and our 45W AC adapter are suitable. Also, you can use third-party 45W AC adapters which output 15V2.6A or 15V/3A, but we cannot guarantee that they use a standard PD protocol, which is required to support Switch TV mode."
Can I add an usb hub for tv mode?
I need it for ethernet adapter, gamecube adapter and usb headphones.
Yes, you can.
Is there a current update on the Skull & Co. branded dock still bricking the Nintendo Switch and is it currently safe to invest in your dock as you can guarantee your dock won’t brick the Nintendo Switch?
All units were 100% tested before shipping. We will continue to investigate the real cause of bricking and will post an update as soon as we have a conclusion.
So when you guys tested the Jumpgate I see you used the official Nintendo Switch Power adapter. Do you guys include an AC adapter with your dock, and if you do is it safe to use with the switch?
The AC adapter we make doesn't come with the Jumpgate but can be ordered separately. It's perfectly safe to use with your Switch, yes :)
Does charge only c cables require that ohm resistor? This is confusing as I’d like to know if i can safely charge my switch with a regular 5v 1A power brick and a cable which says “min/max power 5v 2A”. I don’t care about docking.
Will you guys every do a video on battery packs? ever since The Anker Switch version is gone I've been wanting to get a battery pack but I don't want to risk bricking my switch
Nice, but explain more about the USB type C cable. Do we need to use a cable with resistor with your product? or it will work just fine with or without it?
A cable that's power delivery and benson leung approved and follows proper usb if cert should do the trick
A USB-C Cable must have a 56k resistor. Manufacturers should stop making the USB-A to C cables without the resistor. Thanks.
@@skullnco Yeah I've seen those coov sh350 dongles lying around alibaba and aliexpress. I believe it's the same dongle being sold on Amazon going by the name of fast snail. Glad I didn't buy those
will the NALENSY charger work its amazons choice of switch chargers its has a PD3.0 IC Chip ande over voltage protection?
So from the sound of it. The Jumpgate is safe but it's absolutely recommended you use the OEM Nintendo AC Adapter with it?
You can use your official AC adapter, or the one available on our website, or any good brand that outputs a maximum of 100W. Cheers.
Which ac adapter do you recommend the official Nintendo switch ac adapter with your dock or your official ac adapter
You can use either one. Kindly note that our AC Adapter is a US 2 prong only. Thank you.
So as long as I use for example a USB A to USB C Cable, like the pro Controller Cable from Nintendo, I should be fine charging it on a power bank, a normal ac adapter or even a car USB port ?
Thanks in advance ^^
100%. Just stick to reputable brands with your accessories and you should be fine.
judging from this video, charging isn't the real problem. it's docking the switch. it looks like the switch wants to switch 'modes' when it knows it's in a 'dock'. Then it tries to do something interesting and when the power supply and electronics cannot match that it damages the console.
where are the other videos about this problem?
Coming soon ;)
So. If I only use an adapter for sending the video feed, it won't brick? Its an adapter with USB 3.0/HDMI/USB Type C connections (and Thunderbolt to connect to the Switch)
We can't speak for other 3rd party docks, but we are confident that the Jumpgate is safe as long as you stick to the correct AC adapter. Cheers.
Is the jumpgate safe to use with a Retroid Poclet 4 Pro?
Is Gulikit dock because my 1st switch break
I am interested in buying the jump gate. I can’t seem to find any updates as of now, if docks are bricking switches. Is the jump gate safe?
We've shipped around 8000 units and no bricking has been reported. The Jumpgate is currently 20% off on our website: skullnco.com/collections/switch-gripcase/products/jumpgate-for-nintendo-switch and if you would like to have it shipped via Express Courier please contact our support team to arrange: support@skullnco.com
Well i bought a dongle piece online, bit i guess I have to carry the dock around? That sux.
If you ever do more of these videos, can you include the Insignia dock? I haven't had any problems with mine, but It'd be nice to know if it follows the switch's protocol like the Jumpgate does.
I just bought that one
Can I use your stand alone 45w charger directly to my switch? Or is it only compatible with the dock?
Yes, you can. It's as safe as the official adapter.
is it safe to use a 3rd party ac charger on a original nintendo switch dock?
Yes, it's safe. but just make sure the AC adapter has standard PD protocols and outputs 15V/2.6-3A. Cheers.
So if i buy a new jumpgate pro dock now, the issue with bricking eill be fixed?
Just saw a review on youtube and amnready to buy one nowm😂
I think this Jumpgate is awesome, I see myself using this mostly for my Switch. However, I wish there is a built in LAN port ; all docks offer hdmi and usb expansions, rarely do they include a LAN port. It's frustrating when on a competitive online game and that jolt of a wifi slow down just happens to time on you. GRRRRRRR!!!! :)
Unfortunately, if there was a LAN port, the Core Drive would not be portable. Also, WIFI is developing rapidly, and LAN is pretty old tech, which is why most companies have stopped making products with LAN ports.
It's not difficult to find an Ethernet adapter on Amazon or eBay, but please make sure it supports Switch before making your purchase :) If you have further queries please feel free to email us at support@skullnco.com
Is there a way to know if a USB cable has a 56ohm resistor without having to take it apart?
We don't believe that there are companies still making cables without resistors, so you can rest easy :)
@@skullco.supportteam5747 I hope you're right.
hi, I want to buy nintendo original dock, but i want to use my phone power adapter, can that brick my switch also? thanks.
The Nintendo dock does not support phone adapters. If you purchase a Jumpgate dock, you will be able to use a phone adapter as we have amended the PD protocol in the dock to be compliant with all chargers that meet the following specs: 5V/1A or 5V/2A.
My Switch has bricked while using the official dock and cables, and I have read of others having the same issue while using only the official products. It appears that it is not only 3rd party docks can cause bricking, but the official dock also!
I'm thinking about getting a 3rd party dock. Should I be ok if i use the offical charger
You might be good if you use a reputable brand. Don't cheap out, you might brick your switch; a $300 value. You can spend a bit more to make sure your switch is protected. Also, something you can do is buying a dock shell and ripping the official dock apart and transferring the parts to the dock shell. This has no risk of bricking your switch but it could ruin the circuit boards of the dock. Wulff Den has a great video on this titled: The Only Safe, Portable Nintendo Switch Dock.
@@aidenwebbe6290 I don't have a dock so i can't do that.
The official charger works perfectly with the Jumpgate Dock. Check out all the Jumpgate details here: www.kickstarter.com/projects/1274541538/jumpgate-a-versatile-dock-for-switch-and-smart-dev?ref=user_menu
I used the Nyko dock with the official charger and it bricked my Switch. Only use docks from companies that know what the hell they're doing, like Skull & Co.
@@mrjspeed Oh no! Thanks for the vote of confidence ;)
But is it safe to use a 3rd party dock extender for the switch?
The Jumpgate is safe :)
The thing that sets it apart from other 3rd party docks is the following:
1) It has the same chips and components as the official dock.
2) We conducted hundreds of hours of research and testing before we launched the Jumpgate.
3) Each unit undergoes rigorous safety checks before being shipped.
We are confident in the Jumpgate's safety and our support team is ready to assist, should you experience issues with any of our products (support@skullnco.com).
Thank you.
is the Skull & Co dock safe and work on the latest update 10.2.0 cause i have my first update switch fried on other 3rd party dock....so is this dock safe cause i bought a second switch and my switch dock got damage when it got delivered in a package.
also will this Skull & Co dock will be safe in the future switch update.
We've had no issues with any of the Switch FW updates thus far. The thing that sets the Jumpgate apart from other 3rd party docks is the following:
1) It has the same chips and components as the official dock.
2) We conducted hundreds of hours of research and testing before we launched the Jumpgate.
3) Each unit undergoes rigorous safety checks before being shipped.
We are confident in the Jumpgate's safety and our support team is ready to assist should you experience issues with any of our products (support@skullnco.com).
Thank you.
@@skullco.supportteam5747 does this comes with its own plugs and cables or can i use the switch plug and cables
@@roiwtto0919 You can use your official adapter and cables, no problem.
The Jumpgate does not come with an adapter but an adapter can be purchased separately on our website (please note the adapter is a US 2 prong only).
The Jumpgate comes with or without a USB extension cable. Please check it out here: skullnco.com/collections/switch-gripcase/products/jumpgate-for-nintendo-switch?variant=31668146765897
Will the dock be available on Amazon
Yes, at the end of Dec/beginning of Jan on Amazon US.
@@skullco.supportteam5747 Good evening, I would like to know what possibilities there are that the dock will be blocked by nintendo or nintendo will block my nintendo switch as it is not an original accessory, I am concerned that my nintendo switch will be blocked.
@@JORLLEYJCUESTA If Nintendo releases a firmware update to block the Jumpgate's firmware, we will simply release an update to counteract it. Please email our support team for further assistance (support@skullnco.com) if required. Cheers.
Do you know what cause the charging port to become non-reversible? I'm trying to pin down the problem in my own switch so I can repair it...
It sounds like the power component in your SWITCH is broken, so only one side of the USB-C port is functional. Our SWITCH was damaged in the same way during the Pelda tests a few months ago. It can only be fixed by replacing the chip, which cannot be done by yourself. You can contact Nintendo to enquire about a repair. Best of luck!
Two causes either the pin on usb-c port is has lost connection such occurs afters replacement.
Or, the failure or bad solder connect on power management ic. Could occur on either power management ic. If you tried replacing then suspect bad solder joint. If you haven't then expect dead line and chip replacement needed.
Excellent video just wish it didn't take over a month too order your products😥
It depends on where you are. :)
Can I use the Jumpgate with the original charger?
Yes, absolutely. As well as any good brand which outputs 15V/3A or 15V/2.6A for TV mode. For charging you can use a 5V smartphone charger :)
Good day!
Can My samsung galaxy a tab 8 be used as hdmi monitor on my nintendo switch oled using jumpgate?
Unfortunately not. The USB-C port on your tablet can only output video and audio, there is no input.
Can the rocketfish dock be stable for switch ?
We're unable to comment on products made by other companies, sorry bro. We suggest you contact them directly if you have product queries. Cheers.
I just ordered one of your Jumpgate 2 days ago for my nintendo switch v2. I'm guessing it is still safe even with the latest firmware as of today??.... Follow up, what are the chances that future NSW Firmware update will make the Jumpgate unsafe or incompatible then brick our Switch?? I know my follow up question is always one of the main reasons some are still hesitant to buy one of your Jumpgate, hope to get your reply soon. Thank you. :)
We've shipped around 8000 units and no bricking has been reported. The latest Switch firmware works 100% with the Jumpgate and we'll simply release a firmware update for the Jumpgate if that ever changes. :)
Skull & Co. Support Team oh?? I didn’t know jumpgate’s is firmware upgradable?! :)
@@Bangbangboom51 Not the dock itself but the detachable Core Drive has firmware. The updates are available on our website: www.skullnco.com. Please email our support team if you have further queries: support@skullnco.com :)
Do you think it is possible to run dock mode using power bank with enough output?
I want to play switch on portable monitor using power bank.
Power banks are fine as long as you stick to reputable brands.
Wulff Den says, Bricking is also caused by using the wrong Power delivery Protocol, so this is not a 100 % sure Thing, am I right ?
Bricking is caused by using the incorrect cable or by incorrect PD protocol. Not sure we understand your question...
Rewording the question for thus person: there were people, including a UA-camr called Wulf Den, who states that the switch does not use the PD protocol that everything else uses but instead uses something weird. How does yours work if it uses the pd protocol while the switch uses something different
As far as we know, most companies amend the PD protocols to enhance the performance of their products. As long as they do touch the main frame, their products should work flawlessly with other accessories. The PD protocols in the Switch have been amended too, but the main frame does not change. Some 3rd party companies made portable docks with bad PD protocols. What we do is hire experienced engineers and work with professional PD suppliers.
Skull & Co. Support Team Did you watch Wulff Den’s Video ?
ua-cam.com/video/U8Tc0DP7IGA/v-deo.html
good sharing. but the original dock is not fool proof.. i bricked my switch on nintendo original dock that came with the switch itself.
3:50 15 volts before 15 volts? lmao
A typo, as it were. From context it's clear she meant 5 volts before 15 volts (i.e. the device is not supposed to deliver 15V until asked).
I really want to buy the skull co dock but I’m afraid it might fry my switch, have you guys tested your dock throughly so I won’t fry any switches.
We did several tests as you can see in the video. We have faith that the Jumpgate is 100% safe to use.
Thank you! I feel safer buying this now!
You're welcome :) The Jumpgate is currently available for pre-order on Indiegogo Indemand and will be available on Amazon US late Dec/early Jan.
I was wondering the same thx
Are Skull & Co. willing to back this up with a guarantee?
Has ANYONE ever had a OEM Nintendo Dock be the cause of their Switch to brick? Is it possible? Thanks
Wait? If the Switch Is Bricked, What About the Controller
The controllers should still work, even if the Switch bricks.
*So is it safe to get JumpGate?*
We've shipped over 8000 units and no bricking has been reported...hope that puts your mind at ease :)
@@skullco.supportteam5747 It actually does. Thanks!
@@BlankHero Great news! You're welcome:)
Can this also work for the steam deck?
We are designing a dock for Steam Deck, so please follow us on Social Media for updates: Facebook: fb.me/skullncogaming Instagram: instagram.com/skullnco/
No, nintendo does not use pd protocol on their switch. They use their own modified version
They don't use the standard PD protocol, correct :)
I am interested buying this jumpgate device for my Nintendo Switch and my Samsung Galaxy S8. But I am scared of bricking both my phone and my gaming device. Wish Nintendo actually test their products before releasing to the product and follow the USB Type C connector like everyone else. Dumb Nintendo. (I had to get 2 year warranty extension on my Nintendo Switch of worrying of these bricking concerns)
Switch update 11 pop out will it not brick on that
We have successfully updated our SWITCH FW to 11.0.0 with the Jumpgate, so you shouldn't have any issues either :)
Quick answer(atleast for consoles): NAND got corrupted, deleted, moved, or DESTROYED
(Sometimes)
Fortunately, we have not encountered these issues with our Jumpgate Dock. Please feel free to email us if you have any queries: support@skullnco.com. Thank you.
@@skullco.supportteam5747 k but in some cases its still true
3:50 uh huh what?
"it should deliver 15volt before upgrading to 15volt???"
Music at 0:00?
"Bulls On Parade" by Rage Against the Machine ;)
i was going to buy your product, but your kickstarter page just links to an indigogo page, tried using indigogo's garbage ass account management then just gave up. that sites way too frustrating to use. damn shame. looks like a good product.
Kickstarter redirects to Indiegogo because the campaign has ended. The Jumpgate will be available on Amazon US soon.
@@skullco.supportteam5747 any chance to see it on amazon emea ? (fr,uk,de,es,it etc..)
Possibly in the future :)
I do not see your jumpgate product available on Amazon.
The Jumpgate is currently only available on Indiegogo but will be listed on Amazon US and eBay in the next few months.
Skull & Co. Support Team what is it’s current test status on bricking?
All units were 100% tested before shipping. We will continue to investigate the real cause of bricking and will post an update as soon as we have a conclusion.
Alright I bought bought it it's on you if my switch bricks
We've shipped over 8000 units and no bricking has been reported ;) If at any stage you need assistance with your Jumpgate you can email our support team for assistance: support@skullnco.com :)
@@skullco.supportteam5747 ok thx for the peace of mind
No worries ;)
My screen protector bricked my switch. ☹️
If you are having issues with a Skull & Co. product, please email us at support@skullnco.com and we will be happy to assist.
Skull & Co. Support Team I’m kidding. Lol. 😁
Would you be will to test a 3rd party dock and tell me if it would work like these other docks or if it is safe? I'll even send it to you for free. If it could save money for every one and their switch.
Which dock would you like tested?
@@skullco.supportteam5747
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07L8YZP93?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_pd_title
This dock us the one I have in question.
Please email us at support@skullnco.com
Jumpgate dock cøre drive bricked my bf’s switch :(
Edit: no. It was a system crash actually ;)
We apologize for your inconvenience. What has most likely occurred is a system crash, not a bricking issue. This can happen even with the official Nintendo Switch dock.
This can sometimes happen as the Switch does not follow standard PD protocol and when it was connected to the Jumpgate is shut down as it could not read the Jumpgate's PD protocol.
All you need to do is hold down the power button on the Switch for 10-15 seconds and it should re-boot. It's unlikely that this will occur again.
Please check out information about the bricking issue here: switchchargers.com/nintendo-switch-bricking-faq/ ua-cam.com/video/u6INIHrZBGg/v-deo.html Please let us know if you need further assistance.
@@skullnco oh actually you were right! Thanks for the tip!
@@frederiquesevigny6846 Great! Let us know if you have further queries.
No. No no no no no. That is complete bull shit. I just got my switch two weeks ago. I only ever used the official docking that came with it (I THOUGHT that was all I was ever gonna need). And guess what happened just last night? IT STILL BRICKED. So the official docking is just as shitty as the third party ones. I'm getting a refund.
You do know theirs a small chance the official one will also brick cause failed manufacturing
@@roiwtto0919 Don't care. Got a refund and switched to a Switch Lite instead. It's just more conducive for my needs personally.
Is there any chance the dock for steam deck will brick my steam deck?
Is this video still relevant with the most recent update? @skull & co. Support team
As far as we know, no issues have occurred with any of the Firmware updates. Cheers.