We NEED To Talk About Dragon Age: The Veilguard...
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Dragon Age: The Veilguard's official reveal trailers dropped around 3 weeks ago. Today we're looking at the state of the fandom & how the reception has been like after.
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It's been almost 3 weeks since Dragon Age: The Veilguard got it's first reveal, so I felt it fitting we have a little heart to heart :)
I'm bumped for the game
The gameplay reveal, the character reveal and the Q&A all cemented my intense drive to buy Baldur's Gate 3. Out of the two, one is a love letter to it's fans and the other a glorified fantasy dating Sim, or at least wants to be. They took the Role out of Role play and poured water on the anticipation that's been burning inside me for 10 years. Thanks, I hate it.
I think the elephant in the room is that it has the same problem as a lot of media today, especially in the US. When you take a piece of media and fill it with Modern day tropes, the backlash is in-coming. And when you have the game director Corinne Busche saying "that the studio designed the game with inclusivity in mind" people automatically checked out.
@@capt_c2725 Inclusivity is fine! So long as it’s all-inclusive. Accessibility is fine too (I won’t turn on the no death option but it won’t affect me if someone else did). But inclusion and accessibility should never ever be more important than the media itself.
If said media is only partly inclusive and accessible to players of all stripes and skill levels, but the media is crap, then what’s the point?
Last time I was this early, the Couslands could still take family pictures
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fergus still kicking somewhere
…Dude
Too soon!
And Last time I was here this early, The Tevinter Imperium still ruled the whole continent.
People are just very sceptical of the gaming industry in general these days.
Not without reason.
Well especially from bioware at this point.
@@Unknownusername1004 Well I agree. But bioware are far from the only studio that is affected these days.
Yeah that's right, I feel the same way and just like you said not without reason
The only thing I'm bummed about is losing the 4th party member. It's part of the holy trinity of features that separated it from Mass Effect, and even the best version of the game will be lesser for it. It's not even a tactical gameplay issue. Experiencing the story with a third companion brings another dimension to the story as that character adds their dialogue and perspective to the events. It makes for more of a found family dynamic rather than the me-and-my-two-friends feel of Mass Effect.
can we talk about how overly convoluted the skill tree looks vs how rudimentary it is to have only 3 active abilities during actual gameplay?
Nothing to talk about. You have 3 selectable abilities but you have other buttons baking in abilities in the previous games. Light,/ Heavy attacks take the place of fire and forget direct dmg like Mighty Blow/Twin Fangs/Elemental Barrage. Barrier/Parry baked in. Dodge/Fadestep baked in. Trees upgrade all of this
Also, take a look at the game informer screens of the skill tree, since they were at level cap, at 30. You do not have enough points to unlock everything in a specialization, without beelining for it
@@ziadbaaklini8761That doesn’t really change anything though, especially when not everyone focused on those abilities to begin with in past games.
As a warrior I never utilised the parry or dodge abilities in Inquisition because I never needed them, so what do I gain by having them be standard fare this time around?
Infinitely so for Mages. Why do I care to have mage bolt or mage sphere when I never used them in the past? Barrier being a parry ability also sounds lame and is just emphasising how useless the party will be as it only relates to the pc now.
Gone are the mages that can have sleep, paralysis, walking bomb, rift/force mage abilities, horror, etc, etc.
We’ve seen this combat before in Andromeda, and that game had no strategy to it at all. It was just soak your 3 abilities over and over again.
This is just restricting and taking away options and that’s NEVER good game design. Gone are support focused builds, gone are relying on a party and managing party control, gone is everything but dps focused damage builds which is boring.
Every class will probably play the same with an emphasis on parry and dodge which sounds awful, who the hell wants to play a mage that has to parry and dodge all the time?
The problem is that I haven't seen, heard or read anything that seems better than the previous games. Except, maybe, the character creation, but I feel like DAIs was good enough. There's nothing to be excited about. BG3 had so many things not seen in previous BGs or even in other games. THAT's how you get people excited about a game.
From my perspective, it seems that the only people excited about the character creator, are people whose first experience creating a character WAS with Baldurs Gate. They have little frame of reference and are easily “wow”ed
Yes, exactly this. DA2 was rubbish, but at least the combat was faster-paced (it was less fun, but more immediately responsive, which is what they were aiming for). DAI was not as good as DA:O, but at least it had a vibrant open world. DAV brings... nothing. Nothing at all. No part of it looks better than what came before, and large parts of it look far worse, in really basic and obvious ways.
MrHulthen, I believe that Mike Gamble confirmed that blood spatter and gore was off for the demo.
There's some kind of 15 second rule, like you can't have gore in the first 15 seconds of a UA-cam video... or something...
Yeah he actually responded to my Tweet about it, saying we should wait & see. Hopefully there is something like a setting you can enable for that :)
In the past games we got that option blood on/off
Everyone seems to forget that Inquisition an an on/off switch for blood.
Company's need to bring back demos...let people fell the game first, if they show gameplay let people play that part that they showed for 30/40/60 minutes, im excited for this game but my hope is the story is good...
Seconded. Demo would be great for people that are on the fence!
Demos never went away, they just got less common. Stellar blade had a much discussed demo not that long ago.
@@MrHulthen and also show that the. Company is proud of their work
I really want a demo too (mostly because I just wanna play it already lol) but there are still demos coming out so there's hope
@@MrHulthen Companies avoid demos because they reduce sales.
I just want to know how many choices I can make from my previous games in the character creator. I really hope it's a significant amount and not just a few.
It'll likely just stick with what's relevant to Veilguard's story I think. I'm personally looking forward to playing it but we'll see how it turns out.
They just said ''a few'' and considering they said the companion skill tree is smaller to not ''overwhelm'' players I highly doubt the choices from previous games are going to be even 1/3 of what the keep had.
@@Kross415 Then that's the worst thing I've heard about the game if true. So many choices will either be canonized or ignored. Disappointing.
I think we just have to get comfortable with the fact that choices from previous games will be less and less important, especially the older the games are. For example I can't imagine that any choices from Origins will matter in Veilguard, it's more likely that only some choices from Inquisition will matter. We can only hope to see some of the older characters like Leliana, Allistair or Zevran and hope they get a bigger role in Veilguard.
@@embioz1 Yeah I think one thing we have to remember is Veilguard is taking place in Northern Thedas don't forget that that opening level they showed us was in Tevinter all 3 games up to now were in Southern Thedas in Orlais or Ferelden .The furthest north we went was Kirkwall and the nearby mountains where we found Corypheus the main antagonist for DAI So other than a few of DAI' s events I don't really see any events from the pervious games impacting Veilguard. W edo know there aer goin gt obe some cameo's from previous games including the Inquisitor returning. But I don't expect anythin gfrom Origins o rDA2 playing a big role. The only person we may bump int ofrom thos egames might be Isabella given she's a ship captain So if we visi tRivain o rAntiva I could see us bumping into her there but eve nthat I woul das yis unlikely
For me the disappointment after watching both videos was "nothing special to see here". It just looks like all the other games out there.
They lost me completely when they said no importing data from previous games. Inquisitor must be created and I guess we'll get to choose the highlights. I think it'll be like the mass effect colection.
I do have to say that the way we are given information on this game has been and still is abhorrent.
First we get a a trailer showing us that the writing and art direction took a big turn for worse.
Then we get a gameplay showing the least appealing part of the game which, even setting aside the combat (looking mediocre among its action peers), highlighted problems with visual design and writing. It irks me that they thought this was worth showing. I fear this being their best.
Then we get information from game journalists with extremely limited visual material. The same journalists who are hardly holding any authority anymore. They really should have taken a page from BG3 or even Warframe handbook and just shown us the WiP elements in a raw form...unless the game is in worse state than we expect it to be. An honest presentation is 10x better than a curated one unless you are 100% sure you are holding a gem.
Finally my biggest gripe. To tell us what role Solas will hold in this game was a humongous mistake. Honestly just as big as telling us who our companions are. It murdered all the initial mystery. Worse even it gave those of us already disappointed more fodder. As I played DAI I knew not who would join me so every last companion was a surprise. I may have hated some of them but still. The reveal was my own. Here we were given a certain idea of them on a platter full of shit. Now those like me will have hard time detaching ourselves from that god forsaken trailer.
There is a lot more I found disconcerting but I would have to go into detail. People say it was just a 20min gameplay. I say it showed way more than one might presume and they really wanted to show.
While I agree most with most of your points, I just want to add that Inquisition characters were presented way before the release of the game, with Bio and everything.
@@SeventhheavenDK I was lucky to try the game without seeing any material. It was my first game after upgrading from a laptop barely able to run LoL at 20fps so I didn't look into it other than watching one gameplay from a ytber I liked. I went on to play other BioWare games afterwards.
That said I do believe that it was a mistake then and it is a mistake now. Were I in a similar position then I would criticize it. I would be more lenient then too. Now however when the existence of the last two parts of Dragon Age and ME4 depends on this game the time for leniency is over.
@@WaywardHexThe time for leniency is over? That’s a weird attitude to have if you are staking BioWare’s survival on this game.
I expect I’ll have fun with this game, and I plan to play it to death as soon as it gets released. I am not picking apart every detail or expressing every negative concern I have, because maybe someone will read into that and they’ll decide they don’t want to even give the game a chance.
I’ve listened to the folks who made this game and it’s clear that they were willing to be honest about things the community may not want to hear, but also revealed a lot of details that show they’re very aware of what Dragon Age fans love and care about. That is plenty enough to get me excited.
@@proteuswest1084 it's simple really. They can not permit themselves to half ass this one. And the best way to ensure that a game will be half assed is to coddle the developers and say everything is fine. Imagine what would have happened if people didn't basically riot against CDPR after the release of cp77. It set them straight.
My first playthrough of Origins, I didn't even realise Wynne was a companion - she shit-talked Morrigan, I slapped her down, that was the end of that. And that's GOOD. I treated her like I really would have treated her in that world. Role-playing. This is good.
With VG, they're telling us "these are all your companions, you're going to love them!". It's so lesser, and so obviously so, that I'm completely baffled they think it's a good idea.
If the game is actually good, it'll sell itself despite current reception. I'm not worried.
If.
@@65firered. Exactly, magic word. IF.
@@SeventhheavenDK It's a big if.
I do somewhat agree, but unfortunately, with confirmation bias and such, if people go into it with the expectation that it will be bad, they are more likely to have a bad experience.
@@freyavalon If it's bad and they expect nothing it will be bad as well. But how many people will accept that outcome? Sometimes there's red flags and those red flags can save you disappointment if you acknowledge them and are smart about how you approach them. You don't have to go in expecting it to be good to have a good experience and vice versa, at the same time if there are potential issues we should acknowledge them.
Now the ranting comment. It honestly seems like the people at Bioware making DA:TV don't respect the old DA games, the people that made them or their fans. DA *WAS* a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate 2/Throne of Bhaal which is also one of the *highest rated video games of all time,* just like BG3 and for very good reason. It was incredible. For the budget it had it was nothing short of miraculous (the original BG series) and especially for the time it came out. Things were very different back then. The target audience read. A lot. A 500-1000 page book was normal for me and 285-400 page novels were lite reading at the time...which is a big reason BG 1-2/ToB don't translate well to customers today. After BG 2 we had a *HUGE* CRPG drought. Everything was action, action, and more action. Some of the games were great, but it was frustrating. The games that did come out in the same genre from 2003 on were typically broken as heck leading most people to give them a pass...
Then DA finally came out and yikes was it great. It was BG 1 and 2, but everyone had a voice. Like _"Throne of Bhaal"_ it was a bit more mature and the writing was sooooo good compared to everything that was released post Planescape: Torment. Yeah yeah, Steamworks of blah blah Magicka looked really fun but I couldn't get it to work back then so I missed the writing (though many of the people were the same from Torment)...but to get the writing, branching dialogue trees with consequences to our actions again in what was at the time a modern format, it was great.
Say what you like about DA2 but the writing was still exceptional and the NPC's were pretty darn good as well. Same with DAI. Yes it went deep into the *_"Hey, being queer is great isn't it?"_* to try to pull in more left leaning women, which it did, but like BG3 it respected everyone. Though it pushed the gay thing like a bugger, it also gave the *_"Hey, being straight is pretty great..."_* vibes as well. It didn't take away from previous fans, it tried to add to it. That's *AWESOME.* Inclusion via inclusion works better than inclusion via exclusion. Who'd have thought? Now in Veilguard it is obvious that is not the case. DAI tried to give ARPG players a way to speed things along while giving more tactical players the ability to plan things out. It tried to appeal to both, which again, DA:TV is simply not doing.
The whole _"Dragonage combat has been different every game"_ comments are a sop out. It switched to the action themed combat bc they did not have time to make a real DA:O sequel, and again, they tried to switch it back without losing the people who preferred that type of combat in Inquisition. In Veilguard they did not try at all. They didn't even go Witcher 3 or Odyssey...they went straight up action beat 'em up. Probably the least popular style of combat for what used to be a tactical CRPG they could possibly pick. Mages get 3 abilities/spells? WTF is that idiocy? By the end of a game we want to be Elminster, Merlin or fricken Gandolf. Not an arcade Sorcerer from a fricken Arcade machine Golden Axe nonsense game. That was great in 1990, or in a mobile game you play an hour a day on breaks. It also shows they don't respect what came before at all.
This should have been a small spinoff or a new ip entirely. The same f'ing thing happened in Andromeda with the SAM ability switching shit as opposed to just letting you have 5 or 6 abilities making me think that this may be a limitation of the *Frostbite* engine that they never really solved. Except they did. In DA:I. But just like you can't import character details because _"It has been a long time."_ ?!? What the hell does that even mean? I can import models and code from Unreal 3 into 5 with a few hours of tweaking. Frostbite has changed a lot less than Unreal so I'm pretty bloody sure it could have been done by a team of 5 or 6 people in a week. But they did not think it was important enough to have carry over so they *CHOSE* not to.
I do think they care about this game, but again, I do not think they respect what came before it. Just like they don't respect the millions of guys who would prefer to have an attractive chick to romance. They are letting you adjust NPC appearances which is awesome...except not your companions. You know, the ones you would actually romance...what the actual hell? I honestly don't know who this game is for. Most people who enjoy button mashers are not doing it for the story. Most people who play for the story don't enjoy button mashing. Ugh. The whole things a mess. One thing I do know is they certainly aren't making this game for me. That's OK, but of course it is disappointing considering I have been a fan since the late '90s and have been playing CRPG's since the original Pool of Radiance came out.
What really gets me is when people say _"Pft, go touch grass boomer, it's a game..."_ If someone took GTA and made it into a point and click Sims game the outrage would be exactly the same but on a much larger level. When people overhaul things you used to love because they think they can do it better you end up with..._"The Acolyte."_ Again, if they went with a _"Witcher 3"_ combat system that somehow worked in mages I don't think people would have been mad. Heck, they could have gone full Dark Souls, as long as the companions were integrated well (which they aren't...1/10th the damage the PC does; that's where the God of War comparison does apply) I doubt people would have flipped their lid. Of course the atmosphere would have needed to be right and here we go again; The romance options need to contain a couple of very attractive options. Options that you would fantasize about; for both sexes. Or all 37 (Idk how many there are so I'll go with 37); that means things like feminine faces and _gasp_ decent size boobs with a small waist. Those women are real, I've been with a *LOT* of them. 34/Large C (natural)/22-24/36 with a pretty face is not some mystical unicorn. I see them every day at the gym and go out with 1 or 2 a month. Lol, and yes, I touch grass too. I actually need to mow my lawn come to think of it, but I'll probably do that after I get back from the beach tomorrow.
It may seem outrageous, but this overt push towards non-attractive women is infuriating. Even that gay artist from Ubisoft said it was insane and that there were actual mandates that they had to make women either unattractive or androgynous. Ei. _eh_ looking or someone that a person born male could look like without surgeries to slim their waist and such. Or they can be overweight. Or they can be handicapped. Well what do you know, Bioware gave us a Dwarf whose put on 55lbs while somehow getting smaller boobs, a women with a prosthetic leg and a jawline like a boxer and a horned guy. Speaking of, when you look at the sketches for the Quinari chickman she is hot. I mean yikes. her body is slammin, her hair is beautiful, and she is about 50lbs of muscle lighter though still in great shape. Now? She's a dude. Now that is unachievable for anyone born female without massive amounts of drugs. I'm talking testosterone, Trenbalone, Clen, Deca...I can bench around 300lbs, deadlift about 450lbs, squat around 320'ish etc...I weigh around 190lbs and am just under 5'11" barefoot. She makes me look tiny. I don't see *ANY* women outside of shows who look like that. Because they can't. I have seen guys who identify as women look like that though. Rare, but...twice irl I guess. Not someone I want to romance in a game. if there were a couple of other _"Morrigan"_ -like options it would not matter. There are not, so it does. It wouldn't fix the combat, but it would fix that part of the game, which in DA and Mass Effect is a big part of the game.
I really do hope it turns out well and people enjoy it. I really hope I'm wrong and the combat itself makes it worth playing as i just don't see the companions or story being on par with the media they have put out before, meaning the biggest selling point of the game and the 3 minor but still important ones just aren't there _for people like me._ And yeah, that kinda sucks, but at the same time, I don't want people who play for other reasons or are into other things to be _let down_ as well.
Ahh, took you a few paragraphs to let your misogynistic flag fly but it happened. Pretty predictable.
Call him misogynist because he called the character ugly is hilarious
@@AntivanAmbassador i was about to not read the whole thing, but now i'm interested in what he said, thank you.
There’s room for everyone folks. Straight? LGBTQ? Who cares? We all breathe and bleed red, right?
There is a discussion to be had about people being marginalized, too. I am straight and like attractive women in games. I don’t feel anyone should have their place at the table put into question because of who they are.
You diminish one of us, you’re diminishing all of us.
I heard from someone who worked on DA:O that Bioware got rid of everyone who worked on it (all at once or slowly over the development of DA:2, I didn't ask.) That likely explains why post-DA:O games are so different.
I will say this, for me at least, Scout Harding looks a bit better than she did in Inquisition.
She was cute in Inquisition tho
i agree with you in dai she looked cute but... idk kinda bland and maybe a bit too young? idk
@@klavicus2276 I agree she looked very young, actually don't know how old she was in Inquisition... Veilguard takes 10 years after if I'm not mistaken and now looks better overall :)
@@AgX_28 Yaa, my inquisitor was hot for her. Rook might have a fight on his hands
@@AgX_28 old enough to survive the 5th blight raid on redcliffe so at the youngest lady lace harding would at inquisition around 23-25.
At least there some news about Dragon Age, Commander. Meanwhile, ME4 hasn't even revealed any Protheans. How am i to restore the empire with just primitives?
I have no idea who you are but I see you everywhere in his comments and I gotta say, I respect the commitment to the bit
@@Akeyins Thank you primitive. May you be welcomed in the next Cycle.
Looking at this from a game design perspective, I notice that it is harder for my eyes to flick to the bottom of the screen or the top. But my eyes flick way faster to the corners of the screen when I need to look at ammo or health. I just think that it was a bad idea to put the abilities AND AMMO on the bottom center of the screen. Usually the middle has an ultimate ability or an xp bar that I can see from my peripheral vision without actually looking at it. But it’s just super distracting to look down when I can’t focus on the middle of the screen. It’s hard to notice the precise timing because we’re talking about milliseconds here but still. Not to mention the only reason we have only 3 abilities is so the 4th slot doesn’t cover the screen which is a pretty lazy excuse to have it all in the middle
The gameplay reveal trailer reminded me a lot of Inquisition, especially with the action combat, enemy design and the dialogue wheel (although I have to say that especially the latter reminded me a bit too much of Mass Effect Andromeda as well and NOT in a good way, where you ended up with not really anything important to say or to decide). The biggest problems I have with the reveal were actually 2 things that really grated me: First - like you said yourself - only having 3 skills. In Mass Effect, which is an action cover shooter, it might not be a problem so much, but in an Fantasy RPG based on D&D and old classic Baldurs Gate, which DA is, with Mage as one of the Main classes, - this feels dumbing down ressouce management, tactical thinking and in the end character development. The other problem for me personally is the odd writing and approach to story telling. Well, the sky opens up, everything crumbles around the characters. The world literally goes down the drain, and our party banters and bickers like they are going on a camping field trip or a class trip in Highschool. Nothing too dramatic, just be casual and fun with quips and banter like in a Marvel movie. Rule of cool, you know. I felt like a boomer watching all those one liners unfold. Maybe it is because I don*t use social media, but man, it felt so grating listening to those short one liners. Which was really odd, because Varric and Solas spoke about really important things - which you almost can*t hear in the trailer because you have to foght random demons after coming up with this childish idea of - yeah, let us stop an elven god with destroying statues. Woohee! Not my kind of DA sadly, too much of Mass Effect Andromeda Energy there for me. And that game was absolutely not to my taste...
How to see the dislike counter for the gameplay video. I can see the dislike easily for reveal trailer. But there seems to be extra encryption done for the gameplay trailer, none of the usual plug-ins is show the dislike count.
The thing that made me frustrated about DAtV is the art style, and every new image i see confirms that. Everything else could end up being great, even when there seems to be a downgrade in many aspects in terms of mechanics. But I will always know that some marketing executive decided that making the characters of a dark fantasy rpg look cartoony will grant them good sells, ruining the seriousnes and immersion of a franchise that a lot of us supported since the begining, and I dont want that that vision of the industry to be successfull.
6:27 Where the devs designing the ogre/darkspawn in this game using drugs? I can not believe how bad this ogre looks. Straight up goofy looking instead of scary, epic fail.
its good that you see some of the complaints being genuine, a lot of people will just dismiss critics as if the game will have no faults. i really like all 3 games from before and i can say none of them were perfect... but this time in a very little amount of what i have seen, there are a lot of things i dont like. still have the game on my list to follow, and maybe the good will outshine the bad
Honestly, I just wish the environments are varied in the game, not like in Dragon Age 2, even though DA2 was well put together storywise, but the locations were mostly the same.
I think there needs to be a balance... DA2 was gritty, Inquisition not so much, but the locations were detailed and beautiful.
How gritty it is, how good the story is (including the characters), how the environment gives off a certain vibe only found in DA (especially in DA:Origins)... It all matters, and I really hope they'll nail it. :)
Going by the locations they've revealed so far, it's definitely not going to feel like da2. And there are some people who played the game early (like Shinobi) who said the dark vibes from origins were there, so I'm excited. I think they'll nail it
i honestly just wish now - beside a good story and intersting characters that the gear system wont be like da2. hates da2 companion gear system... so boring and no real creativity and freedom there for the player...
Everyone seems to love Inquisition. Personally, thete was not a single character that I really felt connected to. Josephine eas the closest, but I could not ignore that god awful outfit. Cassandra was to harsh in tone. Even when she was supposed to be sweet, she sounded angry. Sara came in a close second but still fell short. Imo DA2 had mostly great companions as did Origins, but Inquisition fell way short. The open world caused a loss of the sense of urgency that aworld ending event should bring.
This dragon age feels way to happy and sunshine and rainbows…. Not the dark and gritty dragon age I am
Hoping for
I´m still mildly optimistic. Recently got into DAI and enjoying it quite a bit, if the Veilguard will be a similar experience i´m quite fine with that.
I felt better after the gameplay trailer. I’m still not 100% on the models but it’s not as bad as I was thinking with the trailer. So I’m good, as long as the story is there.
My biggest complaint about baldurs gate 3 character creator is that the faces are preset. There are no sliders. No option to pick different facial features. You have to take the default faces they provide you with.
Yeah and the worst part was meeting soo many NPCs that wear your exact same face lol. I really hope they modeled every NPC differently, feels really weird seeing so many twins.
@embioz1 ya I modded mine to get different faces and such, but still sucks that you can't have a character that's just unique.
@@J3ss1ca_92 I'm playing on PS5 so sadly that wasn't an option. But yeah your character definitely has to be unique. I don't want to see a NPC wearing the same face or even wearing the same haircut lol. But since they used the character creator for the NPCs I'm afraid that at least the haircuts will repeat themselves.
Every game has its “weak” areas. It is for this exact reason that it saddens me how much stock people putin comparing rpgs to BG3. The world where people are able to recognize and respect the individual value that other games bring… that will be something to see.
@sagearmaggedon7307 I like dragon age games wayyyyyyy more than I liked baldurs gate 3. I HATE turn based combat. But I loved the story and characters in baldurs gate 3 enough, that I suffered through the combat lol I would say DAI was my favorite combat. Perfect mix between action and strategy. I still play the multi-player because I love the combat that much lol for me, I already know veilguard will pass bg3 for me.
As someone who enjoyed all the Dragon Age games. Im going to say this, Dragon Age Origin was the only good game in the series. The others were fun, they had good parts, but they were games for people who enjoyed Bioware period, Not video games as a whole. (think more casual) These fans dropped DA with DA2 and never looked back. Now they got re-exposed and I think a lot of them are saying "What the hell happened to Dragon Age? This doesnt look like DAO" and are giving harsh reviews.
Ive always felt Dragon Age has been going the wrong direction, they should have doubled down on what made Origins great, instead of trying to chase Mass Effect. I think if I play this game I will like it, but I unlike DAI, the game will need to come out to great reviews. I simply do not like the way they have handled the series.
To be honest, my interest in Dragon Age is purely because of how it might affect Mass Effect. I think the success of Dragon Age is vital for Mass Effect's future. BioWare isn't the RPG powerhouse it once was, and it's been ten years since Dragon Age: Inquisition came out, which was a bit of a letdown. It wasn't the worst, but it didn't hit the mark of greatness either.
I really think DA: The Veilguard needs to pull off a Hail Mary for Mass Effect to have a chance at continuing.
The story is what sets the tone, other elements are only supporting it and we only saw a snippet aimed at a broad audience.
Still hate the art style, I could tolerate Inquisition, but this just takes it to another level. Gameplay might be okay, but looks like everything I hate about modern AAA "RPGs". Story\ Companions make me worried. BUT very glad to hear we will have a choice of "Origins" of sorts, I wish they'd actually done proper Origins which is like the most unique feature that hasn't been done by any other RPG since, but alright. Also glad to hear CC will be extensive, just these two things make me slightly hopeful, but still more on the warry side. BioWare have a lot to prove.
It's worth noting that there have been over 4 million views on the gameplay trailer vs just 1/2 that on the 1st trailer. This is also an indicator of interest. Which matters more or less (views vs likes/dislikes) is regretfully subjective. Aside from all of that, and regardless of the complaints (all too many from people who are entirely too concerned with "wokeness")--I am a wholehearted 1st day buyer. The game looks fantastic, imho.
I do have some concerns, myself. That being said, I too am planning on a day one purchase/download.
I feel exactly the same.😊
Yeah I'm 100% buying this da y1 as a fa nof the DA games it's a no brainer for me
Anyone still bitching about "wokeness" is a joke anyway. It's 2024 people are allowed to be who the hell they want to be and it doesn't have any real effect on others lives.
Completely agree! I'm SO stoked for this game. I just finished my 3rd playthrough of the entire series, it's obvious how the entire story has been building up to this game, since Origins. I think most of the backlash is from people who take gaming WAY too seriously, feel entitled to what THEY want however THEY want it, have trauma around authority figures doing things that aren't in their best interests (which they inappropriately project onto gaming devs and other artists - see the backlash against GRRM for not releasing HIS books on OTHER PEOPLE'S timelines, this attitude ties into entitled gamer/ art consumer culture), and are generally stuck in negative internet thought-loops (doomscrolling) because they don't produce anything that is truly meaningful themselves (basement dwelling types) and thus have nothing better to do.
This might be a little bit of an unpopular opinion but I got super hyped when I saw it was more action oriented. I just love medieval fantasy games with high octane action
imho Dragon Age was always kind of action oriented for its time.
Just finished Origins where was mainly action
Replaying DA:O again. I’m hopeful for Veilguard but agreed on biggest remaining worries are story quality and character dev. A good story will make most gameplay gimmicks forgivable.
Won’t pre-order but will be watching for this one. BioWare hasn’t disappointed me yet on a big level besides MA andromeda and the Me trilogy ending going for shock over foreshadowing, which made it fall flat.
I like streamlined story as DAI I felt like I wasted too much time.
I think one thing I’d like to see in the advertising is a single, complete story scene that can show they can write good drama.
The Solas scene was only partially convincing as I’ve never been fully sold on Solas and Varric being close friends. Their banter in Inquisition didn’t feel like it conveyed that. Maybe my memory is faulty. The music, camera also was more on Rook doing his own work which we don’t know much about his story investment yet beyond being a generally helpful fellow.
Big stakes are fun though and the implications for the world state sound exciting
Personally, I find it worrying that all the info we're getting is from the same outlet and from the same writer. Almost all of it with little to no new visual info, like screenshots, videos, etc.
Better that way.
We have got infos from yotouber that were in the consoul. Only watch their yotoube videos. Kala Elizabeth is one of them.
Biased "journalists" who heap nothing but unbridled praise tends to raise red flags
Probably through nepotism
Cheaper to buy good previews/reviews if you only need to buy one person.
For my part, i think a lot of really passionate DAO fans still exist. It’s pretty much the same story since DA2.
Dragon Age has always struggled to find itself. But for all their flaws i love all the games. That being said, i have very low expectations for this game. My hope is that it’s a semi solid 7/10 and that the writing doesn’t get too cringy.
I worry about the writing, too. So many original writers are gone and the focus seems to have shifted to action.
@@quintyss1290 yeah, this is the thing for me. DA2 and DAI "struggled to find themselves" (fair description) but the world-building and writing was still mostly awesome. All of that talent is gone, and the writing we've seen in DAV so far is... not good.
@BittermanAndy what do you mean the talent is gone? Most of the people who wrote for this game have/had been at the company since origins (some even before that). the lead writer Patrick Weekes for example. There are still some veterans still working around the company from what I've seen (im pretty sure they brought Mark Darrah back on for consulting too). Some were let go or left after the fact, but there's still quite a few names that go way back. I would focus worries on anything after this not having them involved tbh.
@@angie-eg9my well, David Gaider isn't there any more, Mark Darrah might have consulted but that's hardly the same, the Varric writer (whose name I don't know) is gone... and that's just the ones I know about off the top of my head / the famous ones, there's probably dozens of writers at Bioware, have they all been there for 20 years? Doubt it. There must have been a large amount of turnover.
Or maybe it's the same people and they've lost their touch, I don't know. What I can say for certain is, the writing in the DAV gameplay trailer was terrible (full of tell-don't-show and choices that didn't matter). Maybe that's because the good people left. Maybe they just got lucky in the old games and were never good in the first place. I don't know. But the quality of writing has dipped, to me that's very apparent.
With regards to the change in gameplay. It's been 10 years, the wheel is due at least a rebuilding at this point.
Isn't the saying "you do not need to recreate the wheel" because you'd end up with a novel but worse product?
They should evolve the combat, not devolve it.
Party based combat isn’t something that gets aged out due to time.
Taking away core features from last games and replacing them with nothing isn’t good game design, and it certainly isn’t an evolvement at all.
Especially when from what we’ve seen the new combat is already getting outclassed by other games anyway.
Take Final Fantasy 7 rebirth. It’s already outclassing Veilguard. It offers FULL party control, a crazy variety of builds, insane cross character synergies, the ability to pause and issue commands, ALL while having fun action focused combat with all the mechanics that come with it.
Veilguard a combat already looks worse than FF7 rebirth. Not to even mention other action based games such as Elden Ring, Jedi Survivor, etc.
The new combat doesn’t do anything better than those action games, and unlike past Dragon age games Veilguard doesn’t offer the unique party based combat that prior da games did to set them apart.
Biggest worry for me is the limited 3 abilities. Need to see more advanced combat in action.
Also, the companions are not appealing at all, besides Harding, but she is a known quantity.
The limited ability slots I absolutely agree with. Really hope it doesn't turn repetitive in the long run
I think the trailer is revealing that Varric might bite it.
i still think going action combat was a mistake, but we shal see when it releases.
Also, bioware has been on the decline for a long time, and EA is their overload. I wouldn't be surprised if DA vileguard flops and ME doesn't do well that EA shuts down Bioware
I actually waited about a week to like/dislike on the gameplay reveal trailer. I wanted to make sure I'd simmered down, thought on it and made sure I clicked fairly. In end I did *dislike* it, regardless of being 'pleasantly surprised' by it.
Here's why *I* disliked it.
Trust. I have zero trust. The graphics are pretty, but its' clear that they haven't listened to ANY actual repeat customers from Origins. They've made it abundantly clear that they neither care about or even *want* Origins fans to buy or play their games.
This is NOT a tactical CRPG. It's NOT a dark fantasy. It's NOT even a *sequel* to DA:O - It's a spin off in the Dragon Age world.
I don't like the constant retconning, gaslighting and lies from this studio. I'm tired of swallowing cognitive dissonance and excusing abuse from them for the sake of a story. The Pathfinder games are BRILLIANT examples of a faithful sequel. The BG games are also great examples - Yes, even BG3 - The gameplay styles changed but the feel and the atmosphere has remained faithful. Hells even the Pillars of Eternity sequel was more faithful than the DA installments.
This is just too far from the game that I knew and loved in this franchise. I followed the series for a DA:O experience. I now get that more faithfully from the games I mentioned above, from The Witcher games, from the Divinity series... Hells, even Technomancer is closer to DA:O than DA:V is, and it's an action RPG!!
Finally, FINALLY after almost a decade and a half, I've finally gotten the hint. Bioware doesn't want me, their "community panel" doesn't want me, and their investors don't want me.
So I don't want them.
As a mass effect fan, I feel bad for dragon age fans. Our franchises are probably DOA 😭
That Ogre design bothers me so much lmao
I'm so stressed, my work makes us book time off months in advance, if they don't release the date soon I'm going to lose it
I feel you! My bosses want me to use up my paid time off!
Dragon Age Inquisition was a game with terrifying mechanics regarding looting and a completely flat and emotionless storyline, in my personal opinion, the only good thing was the strategic combat system at times. It's very dangerous to make games right now, because there's a trend of criticizing everything and expecting to be deep as Baldur's Gate. So if Bioware wants to make a fantasy RPG, it's better to target adult audience and not teenagers as we seen in the preview. The game looks like identical to a dozens of titles already seen... And I would be very sad if they get a backfire, found themselves without resources to make the new ME.
Reveal trailer had me a bit skeptical. Gameplay trailer put me at ease. I think it'll be okay
If the next Mass Effect is revealed to be a multiplayer co-op first person shooter with building mechanics, you would say that's not Mass Effect. What they've shown so far is not Dragon Age... That's my first problem with it...
My second problem is that the story they showed is safe and predictable: the protagonist is again marked accidentally by Solas' power, how? By disrupting a ritual with basic sabotage (4 basic attacks on wood and 2 people pushing a pillar)... The group find Solas after 10 years, how? They get a detective that finds and USE the personal Elluvian of the most powerful mage in the world that doesn't want to be found, how convenient... He's not tearing down the veil yet, he's just moving around 2 of the 7 Evanuris, isn't that convenient? Now the world has to deal with only 2 of them. Maybe at the end we'll free Solas Silverhand because the rest of the Evanuris will get free, maybe we'll leave him trapped because if we dealt with 2 we can deal with the rest... Oh, and Varric will die, so that there's more conflict between Rook and Solas plus Rook has to be propelled to the leadership position by Varric saying "take care of the team for me"...
My third problem is no save import and no DA Keep. That means only one thing: either the tarot section at the beginning is incredibly long (longer than ME Genesis) or what's more likely is that this game will ignore a large amount of consecuences from previous games, so the world is less reactive and has less replayability. Because it's cheaper that way...
And all that made worse by the blatant downgrades from previous games that surely you don't need me to enumerate...
For myself this game seems like they downgraded too many things so I’m going to hope the story is long and good.
Dialogue options are just suggestions....
only mistake i can see with the comapanions right now is in making them all bi. like that really doesn't make them romacingly unique to me.
DA is one of my favorite franchises and I hope it will be good. The game play trailer made me feel better but still nervous
Dragon Age 2, I often play Female Hawke, Very beautiful default character. These early games along Origins aswell was way before suicide squad I keep reading that comparison. Ppl complain for unknown reasons other than there full of 💩. I think this game will do well so as long as the story is a power house ! Red Dead Redemption 2 had natural looking graphics but it would not haves worked with out a strong powerful story. Ppl put too much emphasis on graphics, but not the story that’s worthy of an Oscar level.
This. I care about writing not graphics.
Yeah I think the fact they're usinfg Fifa/FC's graphics for things like hair will be good and at least will make things look better there as I will say that if it wasn't fo rthe plastic hair in DAI .I don' t think you'd be able t otell the game was 10 years old as it still looks really solid graphic wise even today. It looks like Veilguards graphics are of a similar level with the excption of strand hair now
i think this game will be very DA2 coded, and *that's* awesome - all of DA2's positive qualities
@@RandomWandrerIf it will have same writing like Inquisition Iam out
can't judge the game till i play it. but i've like them all so far. and i think a lot of the hate was from that trailer drop.
and the dialgue wheel makes sense to me anyway, since you know the protaginst talks and isn't silent.
Sadly people will compare both games, What won my love in BG3 was the amazing stories and involvement you as the player with companions and freedom to be anything in the game. My love to DAO was mostly story, companion development and building relationships, lore etc. I relived that with BG3. I am worried that it will feel like Inquisitor’s so so dialogue/connection with companions. I enjoyed that game. Don’t get me wrong but it felt way short then Origins.
Most NPCs in BG3 (including your companions actually looked appealing). The female companions shown here have Bruce Wayne jawlines.
im hyped just need a release date
I was going to type a novel. Bioware history, reasons for my issues, examples of regression etc. but I'll just list the reasons I am not excited for DA:TV anymore.
1. The combat looks more like superhero combat in a best case scenario and a mobile game in the worst case.
2. All the women look androgynous so there goes romancing any of them. It's not just that they are unattractive to me, but they look like guys.
3. We can't control squad mates save powers/abilities which leads to...
4. We only have 4 powers/abilities to choose from...at higher levels? Wtf? Sure makes being a mage fun. _"You can have a spellbook...with 3 spells. This is a hardcore DragonAge RPG baby, dig in!"_
5. They (Bioware, EA, whoever was making decisions) did not listen to the majority of fans at all. It's like they did the exact opposite of what most fans wanted. Fans asked for a game more like Origins. They went the Spider-Man Remastered without webs route. Fans asked for dark and gritty, they went for shiny and cartoonish. Fans asked for deeper RPG systems, they streamlined it to the point where this does not seem like an RPG at all anymore. Fans asked for beautiful people after the Andromeda _"Jayde Rossi/Fem Ryder"_ debacle. They went with smaller boobs and squarer jaw lines...What the heck?
This is like doing market research about an area before opening a restaurant. The people in a 10 mile radius say that the closest Italian joint is 50 miles away but there are 10 burger chains within 5 miles. You then decide to open another franchised McDonald's over an Olive Garden and sit there astounded that people aren't throwing you high fives and praise for your decision.
I don't even think that this is going to be a bad game, I just think it is going to be a bad DragonAge game. I think the audience they are catering to is a lot smaller than they think it is and with a $250M or so budget before marketing along with 10 years of total dev time, reaching the 13M or so units EA is going to demand to consider the game a success is essentially impossible.
Shoot, i said I was going to be quick so I'll just wrap with the closing statement: It looks like EA Motive will most likely be making the next Mass Effect along with the 50 or so tech people that are retained from Bioware. Techies and 3D artists, everyone else will be out. No amount of queerosexual gendermancy spellcasting can save them at this point, and all they had to do was listen to their darn fans.
Trust is broken. What is projected and what we got, for years, hasn't matched up. This is getting worse from year to year, especially the writing in games, series and movies. Prove it, not the other way around and depend on hype and pré sales!
The tone of the reveal was odd, mostly because such a peppy trailer is usually served up later in the marketing. However, the gameplay and subsequent Q&As and articles have been top notch. It's looking good. To suggest there are no strategic elements is simply not paying attention to the ability skill wheel. Most people either barely or didn't use the tactical view in Inquisition and that was 10 years ago. I don't understand why people are worried about story and companions when the last 3 games were excellent. Seems like needless concern. It's looking like a GOTY contender to me at this point.
I tried the tactical view, and I wasn’t really a fan. In Mass Effect I’d often have one squad member lift an enemy, then have the other slam them down. Or I’d just take them out like fish in a barrel.
Personally? I’m looking forward to the switch up.
The companions, though?
Tevinter Nights introduced us to Neve and kinda introduced us to Emmerich. Harding, we know from Inquisition. The rest of them are unknown.
I absolutely want to like the new companions, they just need to sell me on them. What’s their drive? Why do they care? Why are they here? Hopefully time will answer those questions.
@@davidradach9311 For sure there's nothing wrong with tactical. I did that in the Baldur's Gate days, but the 'in the moment' gameplay more like Mass Effect seems a wise choice.
@@davidradach9311 Lucanis was in TN too
@@sofajockeyUK Agreed!
I'm looking forward to it. Dragon age with Mass Effect combat. I loved DA 1, DA 2 was ok and Inquisition was good.😃
Yep, I agree. DA:O is my favourite story of the series (and I loved the different origins). DA:I is my favourite gameplay of the series (though I loathed the fetch quests and only did what I needed for the points to progress the main plot). DA2 I enjoyed, and that was the game that got me into Mass Effect as I heard that the dialogue wheel they were introducing was taken from their ME2 game, so I bought that to try it out , and in the end played and loved ME and ME2 before playing DA2.
For me the Mass Effect style combat and only having two of the companions in the party doesn't worry me at all, it works fine in Mass Effect and so I expect it to work here too. I don't like the changes to the demons we've seen or the pictures that I've seen of the darkspawn, but it characters and what we've seen of possible protagonists we can create I think look fine. Different to what we had in DA:0, but then what we had in DA2 and in DA:I was also a change in art style. So, it comes down to the lore and story.
I expect to at least enjoy the game, even if I don't love it as much as Origins or Inquisition. And who knows, maybe I'll be surprised and enjoy it more than I think.
@Kala Elizabeth Hey I guess your original comment got removed before I got to post my reply so I’ll put it here
I was in agreement with you that to draw a fair overall consensus you have to pull all the information from every source instead of just one source like UA-cam and calling it a day.
Where I began to disagree with your statement is that there is some insidious large group of people with evil intent out there trying to hate bomb.
Unfortunately this comes across as a conclusion based on emotion rather than something that we can actually ever factually verify. It would be near impossible, if not, completely impossible to ever fully verify a claim like that.
I believe the reality is that if something is being overwhelming disliked or liked it’s based simply on people liking it or not instead of it being some deeper meaning.
I wish we could go back to a time where we could all just agree to disagree on things without having to feel like we are constantly dying on hills
Thank you for taking my comment in your Video! And btw my Name is "die wahre Ente", which is just german for "The Real duck" 😅
I like Dragon Age for the world, setting and characters. So im exited to see where all that goes but I'm worried about the writing. In the gameplay reveal there was some really bad dialog and delivery. Hopefully that isnt indicative of the rest of the game.
I'm still very excited. I do agree about the finishers though.
I feel very indifferent. I use to be a big Bioware fan. Bought DragonAge Origins when it came out. That was a long time ago. Then bought BG1 and 2 and the ME games. I was a member of the Bioware Social Network during the Bioware controversies where Gaider sometimes moderated the forum and got into heated arguments with the fans. Casey Hudson mistakes with ME3 and Dr M deciding to do the Extended Cut when the fans complained all of that.
EA is a studio killer and doesn't treat the non sports fans well and the non FIFA/Madden games well.
Yes the game is going to be compared to BG3 fairly or not and more likely than not found wanting.
I will see what the fans reviews are like and then decide whether to take a look at it.
But I am not hopeful that it will be worth my time playing.
DEI companies. That what going on with dragon age.
SAY THE WORD, BART
For me, the combat just did not look good. The enemy AI looked terrible, it was flashy but slow paced, only 3 action buttons(and yes you can swap but they had that in Andromeda and its clunky enough that it never got used), while there was a dodge mechanic it did not seem particularly fine tuned like in a proper action rpg. I'm all for a action rpg style for DA4, but I want at least dragons dogma level of combat, and it seems to be falling short of that by a lot. I'm keeping an open mind because it was level 1 etc, but I'm not impressed. The leveling system seems pretty bad ass though, but that wont carry bad game play.
They ignored every single specialization background organization. Basically the only ones they acknowledged were the antifa crows the shadow dragons, which I think is stupid. I think it has a different name and the gray wardens instead of sticking to organiz in groups they have they thought it was a great idea to just create some random groups that make no sense and throw them in there, yes they have the mages which is an actual group wardens, which is an actual group crows which is an actual group every single other background story origins that they have is not a group. It was never a part of the lore where are the Templar like the chantry is an organization that has Templar knights seeker, knights, and agents. It would’ve been a great background for origins critter. I’m a big fan of the Templar order the chantry myself. It would’ve been amazing but no, what about the circle of Magi nope Inquisition background nope Agents of Orlis nope So much they missed out on and it looks like fortnight the skills look like ass they didn’t barely keep any of the normal specializations the only cup, like champion and river basically and the elemental list basically and a dual rogue you can’t summon animals you can’t be a Templar. You can’t be a guardian or a berserker. You can’t be a Shapeshifter. You can’t be a man you can’t be your spirit healer. You can’t be a shadow assassin. You can’t be an assassin. doesn’t look open at all, and they totally disregarded the fact that these mirrors that they’re using to travel are supposed to be extremely rare like almost nonexistent and now they’re everywhere for convenience llol
I am just here for Solavellan Closure and the hot Crow boy Lucanis
I don't trust them to conclude the Solavellan story very well anymore. I'm not a Solas-mancer, but I feel bad for those who are and were hoping for a satisfying conclusion
The gameplay looks decent enough, the character creator 'sounds' exciting to me... but I just cant get over the weird zany cartoony look. Last time I played Dragon Age, they felt like real people. They had pores, small facial scars, they moved like real people(for the most part). Solas now has lost the little scar above his right eyebrow. Now hes just smooth and looks like a cheap disney villain. Facial expressions are too over exaggerated, adding to that cartoony feel. Varric looks comical. Harding has been 'sultry-fied' for the boys.. losing out on what made her a normal looking woman. The veil demons look stupid like app quality.. but the monsters from earlier that run past the screen look more interesting. its a 50/50 for me. I'm alil bitter because I waited so long. I will probably buy it, but certainly not straight away... and i'll be hoping random fans will MOD it so they can make it look more like Dragon Age. The Trespasser DLC for Dragon Age : Inquisition. The last dlc was not open world and it was very enjoyable... because they could craft scenes really well, thus making the experiance really something special. I will miss the open world aspect... I enjoyed wandering for hours in some maps... i felt like i could feel the warmth of its deserts and smell the fresh pine of its forests.. and i do wonder how much shorter THIS game will be, since I recalled spending over 80 hours on DA3... I hope it wont feel like a game that can be finished in 3 days. Cause spending over $100 on that (aussie prices) will feel like a rip off.
At this point I don't expect too much from BioWare, but I'm open to being pleasantly surprised. Their PR-team didn't do the game any favours with the tone-deaf reveal trailer, followed by a gameplay reveal they needed to hit out of the ballpark yet chose to showcase just a single power that highlighted only the flaws. It's an astounding level of ineptitude.
The former BioWare devs working on Exodus managed to hook me completely with the first try, so I suspect I know where the old 'BioWare magic' went.
I feel you Alex, if this goes bad...no Mass Effect 😢
I'm caustiously excited if that makes sense. I don't want to invest all my time into getting hyped just to get burned again which seems to happen a lot with modern gaming.
Of course as someone who started playing Origins in middle school I'm worried about the story the most, but also kinda bummed by the companion situation. I wish we could keep three party members like in the other games since now it will feel like most set ups will have to be one of each class instead of having the ability to have an extra of whatever class you want in the extra slot (or at least in the way I play).
Also the inability to switch between party members is going to be something to get used to. If you don't like playing as your Rook 30+ hours into the game or need a break from playing the same class for extended periods of time, it looks like you're out of luck. Hoping that everything else I've heard about the game so far is good though.
I don't think you should worry about next Mass Effect. Bioware have multiple teams and next ME is quite far in production already.
If the Veilguard fails it just means the end of Dragon Age and mass layoffs among current DA team. Good sales of legendary edition indicate strong interest and EA know how strong of the ip ME is. So next Mass Effect is almost definitely happening, regardless of the Veilguard.
However, if both next ME and the Veilguard fail to sell, Bioware is done 100%.
I think Biowaer ae ralread ywalkin the tightrope if Veilguard fails Bioware are done
I don't think ME is that far in production tbf🫣 but I hope the rest of what you said is actually true. Dropping an IP with the size of ME only because other IPs didn't perform would be stupid as hell. Only problem is that it's still EA were talking about here🥲
@@aquaz433 Yea hright now Bioware should just focus on one game at a time and right now that game should be Veilguard given that's th egame they plan to release next. Once Veilguard hsa done wha it needs they can then worry about what to do next with ME. Right now they need t convince EA they can still do a good game otherwise Veilguard could well be the last Bioware game. I''m probably going to get Veilguard regardles as I'm a DA fan and for me DA is in a better place than ME atm and Veilguard is looking a good game to me based off the gameplay trailer. ME on the other hand I'm not sure what to think about that. As whilst I do like what they served up with both the trilogy and Andromeda I do think going back to Shepard could end up being a mistake. For me I would rathe rthey continue from where Andromeda leaves off. But right now Bioware would be best served just making sure Veilguard is a hit. Becaus eif it isn't I fear the dreaded EA axe will fall on them.
I do like that from the reveal trailer that all the companions seem to play differently. Having just wrapped DAI I feel the game play of some companions were too samey
Truly I think they should just delete the reveal trailer. Every moment it's still up it's damaging them.
I completely agree. That trailer really didn’t do them any favors!
@@davidradach9311 Don't get me wrong, I'm probably gonna love the actual game, especially with the mega in depth character creator we keep hearing about, but damn, that trailer is TRASH
@@6thhistory I’m looking forward to the character creator too. I’m usually a make-a-character-quick-and-let’s-f*****g-go kinda guy, but I think I’ll be there awhile!😜 That and the skill tree, that thing looks huge!
And yes, the trailer is trash! 😂
@@davidradach9311 I think inquisition might be the most time I ever spent making a character, which is why being able to customise a qunari properly very much excites me
Honestly same. Even if they just reupload it with the actual art style and different music that made it sound less generic, I think that would help a lot. With the music we got most people just thought Bellara was having fun with fade jumping and shit, but when you look closer she's excited to escape the fade only to be horrified when she's dragged back in. That kind of vibe is completely lost because of the music
I'm trying to keep myself from getting excited about this game because it seems the industry has let a lot of its customers down over the last 5 years or so. Games that the story is going along well enough but just gets too preachy. Buggy, glitchy games that are almost unplayable on release. Games that do most things decent, but nothing great that you just get bored playing.
I still feel a little bit awkward about the general vibe, but to me the biggest problem is about the story. I still don't get why there is no Inquisitor in this game: I mean, this story is made on the previous game and is intertwined with the Inquisitor and Solas; we have Varric, Harding even, but where is the Inquisitor? I cannot image they sitting on a couch and waiting for the end of the world. My last hope is on a plot twist during this game, otherwise will be a massive letdown....
Alas, I am worried because Dragon Age has a story about forgetting their main character... But, in DA2 we abandon the hero of ferelden because it's a different story and in DA:I we abandon Hawke because of narrative gameplay...but here, I cannot see why the Inquisitor wouldn't be involved in this story. The whole story "he knows us" so no Inquisitor and than walking around with a dwarf with a massive crossbow on the back doesn't convince me.😂
(Spoiler alert)
The Inquisitor lost their left arm at the end of Trespasser. Solas severed it to keep the Anchor from killing him.
I played as a two handed weapon user. Not having that second hand would definitely take my Inquisitor out of any front-line fighting. It would make just about any fighting style more difficult.
I was led to believe the Inquisitor transitioned into more of a support role, anyway.
@@davidradach9311 I understand that, as I played DA:I and Trespasser several times, and I agree with you in a general contest. In a fantasy world, where the possibilities are almost infinite, I cannot understand that, unless the purpose was to exclude the Inquisitor from the beginning.
@@faberbrau That could very well be, for all I know. If Neve Gallus can have a dwarven-made prosthetic leg, a prosthetic arm would certainly be a possibility, I’d think!
You’re correct about something else, too. Dragon Age has a habit of discarding their main characters after the game they featured in has run its course.
A long time ago, the developers had said that ‘the story is about the world of Thedas, not just one character’. Fine.
However, they didn’t take into account all the players who like their Wardens/Hawkes/Inquisitors and are passionate about them. I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing my characters alive and well, either.
I certainly hope BioWare knows what it’s doing.
@@davidradach9311 precisely. I understand their philosophy about not having a main character of the saga, and to some extent they are right; but I still think this is the main gap with Mass effect (I am also a huge fan of ME). In fact, we have been loved Mass effect because of Shepard (try to think the big quest against the Reapers without Shepard, 😕). Bring the Inquisitor back as the main character would have been so good for me, as we have to face a returning opponent/friend/lover. I guess, we will see next fall if they were right to exclude the Inquisitor or not.
@@davidradach9311 btw, thanks for the peaceful exchange of opinions , it's so good and rare these days on the Internet 😂
I am not getting good vibes from it, and the vibes I am getting are the deaths of 2 of my favorite franchises. I hope I am wrong, but I can't just shake this feeling its going to be a flop due to poor writing and activism.
What do you mean by activism?
The thing that has me concerned is the emphasis on action over strategy and the art style. But a lot of people who’ve seen it in person say those aren’t issues 🤷
It just feels like they have taken the strategic element, the tactical element, out of the game. This is just a fantasy on rails shooter. NOT A BAD THING. Just not what I want from Dragon Age.
This will be the Andromeda moment of Dragon Age.
nah, 2014 was made on Frostbite and was open-world DA game, and people loved it, it was 3 years before Andromeda (and I think a lot of Bioware folk were under the illusion of Andromeda being similar to DA:I would help it, because players love DA:I, right?)
This one will sell like hot cakes, it is very specific in its design
BioWare has had a decade or more to tailor the Frostbite Engine into something RPG-useable, (I call it the FrostWare Engine ^_^'). This game will not be like Andromeda, which never had a chance to develop.
I think people are overlooking how much gravity is evaporated from the game, with the change from realism asthetics to mousey, cute cartoon style. It feels like a boulder is going to flatten one of the characters just to be inflated back to normal. How could this game get even close to the grit that encompassed the last game with this style.
What I would really love to know is that when all is said and done and we're at the end of year, how many of those 150+k dislikes are still going to buy the game. Many probably never even played a Dragon Age game before, and those that have will probably buy it anyway.
Me? I have nitpicky things about that first gameplay reveal, and some more legitimate concerns (like why are they turning Dragon Age into Mass Effect when they already tried that once to varying degrees of success). But we were also only given the bare opening of the game with just one or two unlocked abilities. So... we'll see.
My biggest gripe is this: Why!!?? Would i play this? Because it‘s bioware and they‘re great a making stories? (Looks at andromeda and anthem) because of their companions? (Looks at andromeda).
Why? Their combat? It looks VERY generic. WHY??? GIVE ME A REASON, because i have lost faith in biowares storytelling and charactors…
Lore and story. They have been building up the evanuris for 3 games, and they executed the drama of their release very well. We will see if they follow suite
They explained when they showed blood slapper that it was shut off because UA-cam doesn't allow it.
The art style is gonna take a while to get used to. What bothers me about is it doesn't seem very consistent, it's like a scale of Emmrich to Harding, the former being the more stylized while the latter being more subtle, Varric sits somewhere in the middle.
I wish they'd bring origins tactics back considering we can't manually control party members anymore. seems like a fair trade imo, but the gameplay pretty much shows it'll just be mass effect: thedas edition
I keep thinking about the ability wheel. I do see everyone’s concerns about it being boring/repetitive. If we’re comparing apples to oranges, Shepard had way more than three abilities on hand.
Personally? I’m hoping that the three abilities in the wheel can be different from the three that would be button mapped/hotkeyed.
I’m also hoping they resurrect something that they did in every other Dragon Age game: hold down R2 (Yup! PlayStation user. Right here. 😜) to select a second set of abilities to use.
I personally don’t have BioWare’s ear, but I would definitely suggest this to them if I did. Having 9, or even 6 abilities on hand would be better than just 3.
A decade of waiting and we get a game that is Dragon Age in name only.
BG3 is a really hard act to follow! The bar for RPGs has been raised which is a great thing. I think people would be more optimistic about veilgurard if it came out before BG3 because now there is this concern that it won't be as good in comparison. And naturally people will compare. I was skeptical at first, but the more I have read about the game and seen media from it the more I have become excited to play the game. CC and the companions in particular seem like they will be really really fun. I really hope that combat is satisfying but with games like Dragon Age & BG3, the heart and soul of the game comes from the narrative and the characters you interact with. Not an excuse to not have a good combat system, but I'm really happy to hear that narrative is the major focus for the DATV team since I think that will make or break the game.
I think BG3 was great, but not anywhere near as crazy as what people say it is. BG3 is its own entity, and games should seek their own soul instead of chasing the shadow of other games. We will see how veilguard pans out.
@@sagearmaggedon7307I mean BG3 did what it set out to do which is make you feel like your playing tabletop game in a video game. The choice and consequence may be the best that has ever been in an rpg and yes we should compare Veilguard to BG3 cuz they are the same genre and have practically all the same expectations that gamers that love rpgs want. Characters, story, choices that matter, tactical combat. BG3 crushed all those and Veilguard looks very much like it won’t deliver on any of those cuz Larian cares about their staff and fans and quality. Bioware/EA is on the opposite side of that spectrum.
@@swoopingisbad20 People are doing themselves a disservice if they do not seek to see the value in the things around them. I am often stated to have “low standards because I can play BG3, then go and play Starfield, and then play Cyberpunk, but my training has allowed me to see value where others do not. I highly doubt Veilguard will even come close to BG3 when it comes to rpg mechanics. But then there is the potential for the characters, the lore, the story, character creation is already superior if what has been stated about it is true. It has different combat that is more real time based, and that should give Veilguard individual value. The presentation already surpasses BG3. Not to mention Bioware has a knack for teasing fans that are really invested in the lore, which is why there are so many theory videos for Dragon Age and Mass effect.
Maybe Veilguard wont have the biceps that BG3 has, but it could have the quads. Lack of contentment on the peoples part is going to drive entertainment right off a cliff, as pleasing people becomes inevitably harder, as our attention spans dwindle and we become further overstimulated. If we keep going this direction, a peak valley effect will be the inevitable outcome, until people learn contentment again.
@@sagearmaggedon7307 I agree that games should seek their own soul which is what I was expressing my hopes for in my comment. If veilguard focuses on it's storytelling like the devs say that they are then I have high hopes that the game will be great and have an identity all its own. Regardless of individual options on BG3, it has heavily impacted its genre, RPGs, which veilguard is in so naturally people will compare. I just hope that people review veilguard as its own game, give it a fair chance, and not expect it to be just like BG3. Because it isn't! And it shouldn't be!
@@Lavendarrr Well said. BG3s impact is moreso tied to the current state of the rpg audience. For many people, BG3 represents what they want to see in rpgs. But if the people change, if the audience learns to appreciate the value these games bring, than we will realize that these games have aspects of uniqueness that other titles just cannot possess. By not comparing rpgs unreasonably, other rpgs will get their fair shake, and BG3 will never lose its seat to future rpgs, because it is a unique and irreplaceable game.
You think the gameplay is real or just a video same as what anthem and cyberpunk did
Its generic action combat, we can't control the party to try multiple classes in one play through, we have 3 abilities only to use meaning combat will be boring slashing with the occasional ability rather than Dragon Age's history of your mc pulling off half a dozen of unique abilities, calling that ability wheel a pause feels insulting to the intelligence of former fans like we can't recognize them trying to just say "see we have 'tactics', don't complain", lastly there is ZERO faith in the current writers. Also I'll be furious if they ditch dragon age keep
And I want Origins combat back.
Just finished Origins, was pretty frustrated but so satisfied after defeating my enemies
lol
Regarding the reveal trailer: all of the dragon age trailers are shit. Inquisition had one good trailer. In fact, I'd argue this was the best reveal trailer out of all the games.
Regarding the gameplay trailer: It just doesn't show enough to make a proper assumption on how the whole game will be like.
right? I seem to rememer one of the trailers for Origins had Marilyn Manson singing "this is the new shit" in it, reveal trailers dont seem to ever have been Biowaress forte
The gameplay shows what they thought was the strengths of the game.
They showed us crap. If the gameplay is actually totally different, why didn't they show us the good stuff?
Thank you MrHulthen, this is a very honest video which is exactly what we need, the truth, again thank you
Have you noticed that the color purple is rampant in the game
So what does the color Purple mean ? what is its symbology ? Hmmm!!
In medieval society purple was associated with royalty and decadence, and in horror it’s associated with corruption. The game is set in and around Tevinter, a horrific and decadent empire founded on blood magic and slavery. Seems fitting imo
Well it feels like a game in the dragon age world but not like a dragon age game. This looks like 2 which was a huge step backwards in my option even if there were some cool characters. But at the end of the day one has to play it to really see what this is. Will I buy it on day one, no, I will wait to see reviews and then decided if I should support Bioware the best option would be a demo, but this is EA we are talking about.
With only having 3 abilities at a time it will be just like mass effect andromeda lol
I have seen people complain that because of the black elves they wouldnt play the game, so yeah I dont much care for the hate
Well, I mean, it's the equivalent of Japanese Dwarves randomly showing up in Tolkien's LoTR. Lore-wise it makes zero sense for ethnically Black/African Elves and Japanese Elves like Davrin and Bellara to exist in the in-lore universe of Thedas/DA, but I'm sure (or at least hopefully) they'll explain it in game because those two break continuity without explanation.
@DomanieJ we have no idea if they're just thrown in there or if there's lore in game. Maybe it's just a northern thing. A lot (if not most) of the companions and characters we've seen from northern areas have had darker skin, so why not
I mean there were elves with darker skin in the previous games the character creator basically made it impossible to make them look like a certain ethnicity tho. If they are classified as just elves then we prolly wont get a explanation unless they’re mixed blood
@DomanieJ Why do Black or Asian Elves need a "Fantastic Backstory about their history" but White ones don't? Are the magical nonexistent beings known as elves only white? It's a magic world but for whatever reason Black/Asian elves have to have some established lore in order to exist. In that case give me lore as to why there are Asian people at all since there is no Asia. Mexicans? Nope can't exist in this fantasy world without Fantasy Mexico. Why are the Quanri dark skinned? Why are Elves White, how can humans be so varied? Apparently we need lore for all these things because they are too farfetched but demons, dragons, gods, and monsters are okay.
@@BboyEasySteps but, you do know that in the DA universe there are black elves since the start right? different from LOTR for example the elves aren't restricted to one single ethnicity, after all in Origins we have Zevran, a black elf from Antiva, the skin color of an elf isn't decided by virtue of being elf but where it was born, at least in the DA world
I don't care what other say but I am super hyped for new dragon age. I do not expect it to be like BG3.