Sort of, it’s the catalyst for how the villains are made in this show, but the program itself is just a tool that carries out directives as stated by itself and Uzi in episode 2. I know, I know, it’s not the popular consensus theory of “solver is the source of all that is evil and controls everyone and everything” but that’s just blatantly not true because Doll and Uzi are rarely controlled by it unless Cyn is up to something or the solver is hungry. People also forget Cyn has to already be damaged AI for the solver to have a chance of occurring, so even without the solver she would have been a psychopath upon waking up. The solver definitely isn’t controlling her actions.
Absolutely. MD, for basically every single episode, throws a dart that determines our “villain of the week.” In a show where screentime is practically a universal issue for anyone who isn’t N or Uzi, it completely undermines the “villains” because you know for a fact that they’ll all get defeated because the show must go on. We can only hope for Red Redemption and Justice for J now, and both of those guys just got completely robbed in blind daylight. Excellent video, UnCom.
Yooo he said the thing! Red Redemption! Anyways yeah I hope if there is a season 2 the issues with the show get resolved. I love this show and think it’s one of the best indie shows on YT rn, but it has some severe flaws that I really hope get ironed out if a season 2 hopefully happens
Nono you don’t understand. J will serve a vital purpose in episode 8 and get a full character arc and have an awesome fight scene and emotional moments and serve the narrative and get a happy ending and get her own spin off show and-
he is litterally the more stronger of the murder drone. J is destroyed by a powerless uzi, and V can't hurt N, who put it Ko in one fell swoop. and it was their relationship that made them grow, and the same goes for uzi
I've questioned ever since the show itself treated the concepts that the show is built as strongly as cardboard. Murders Drone as Terminator extermination squads with traits of t-1000/vampires/xenomorphs barely get any narrative weight when they often get used to make "Uzi is weird" joke.
Liam had a different plan when writing the show initially but rewrote the show after the pilot. Also I think the combination of Indie budgeting constraints requiring fast paced writing as well as GLITCH possibly meddling with the script have contributed to the wacky writing of the show.
@@Axolotl_2347 knowing the kind of person Kevin is, meddling with the script is the most likely case. although Liam Vickers has never been good at writing characters.
@@cherrybombwaffles518Really? That was his biggest strength as a writer. In his older stuff at least. puppetGAME was all about the characters and Liam did just fine with that. His problem is that he rewrote his story halfway through his own series. The show was meant to have more of a high school esque angle for a lot longer. But they had to pace it up. Liam is trying to write what he would usually do in about an hour long episode, and is trying to squeeze that into 15-20 minutes.
Only thing I'll argue is that Doll being alive does serve SOME purpose in episodes 3 and 6. In 3, she's able to catch Uzi off guard and properly reveal her having the AbsoluteSolver to the audience. In 6, she SOMEWHAT gets closure on Yeva's death by being the one to cause V's death (indirectly). For episodes 4, 5, and 7, however, yeah she was better off dead. Overall great video my man!
Reasons why I really want to do a whole show rewrite because damn there’s a lot of missed potential in this series it makes me grip my cup of orange juice so hard that the glass breaks and then I eat the glass, I love MD, but like I really wish they could’ve done more with it
and she hasn't killed anyone in the series yet N has killed... lemme check 1.Six drones (I think) in the Pilot 2.I guess he also attempted to kill Tescyn in Mass Distruction, but you can look at that in a more positive way then a failled kill: He decapetated who he thought was Tessa after learning she was lying about the patch which was very unexpected for N and really shows how much he had improved. In the Pilot, the max amount of rebelling he could do was "Uh, J, you're sometimes kinda mean to me and I wish you weren't, just some constructive criticism" then in Cabin Fever he stood up for himself when V was hiding the truth from him, so yeah, good for N, at least now he's the loyal servent of Uzi rather then loyal servent of everyone
Both Doll fans and J fans can agree that the characters were kinda robbed after their main featured episode. While I think murder drones is amazing, it is flawed, and some of the lack of purpose of Doll and J are kinda due to the fast pace of the show. I feel like Doll after episode 3 is less useless than J in episode 6, but that’s probably just me being biased cus Doll is my favorite character. The thing is, Doll does serve a meta-narrative purpose. Her character shows what is essentially the “anti-Uzi”, or what would have happened to Uzi if she didn’t open up her feelings and become friends with N. Uzi was just as introverted and isolated as Doll in the beginning of the pilot. Uzi was successful because she had friends and trusted others, Doll failed* because she refused to trust others. *Maybe her core could get barfed out or she could claw her way out of Cyn’s stomach? Im probably just coping lol.
Doll post episode 3 I think does serve a purpose though. She acts as a way to should what Uzi could have become if Uzi stayed isolated like she was in beginning of the pilot before meeting N. Doll’s character is meant to have a tragic flaw, that being her lack of trust in other people. All J did was be a jerk to N, die, and come back and destroy the ships in episode 7. I really hope that if a season 2 releases that the series fixes its pacing/writing issues. I adore Murder Drones and think it’s one of the best indie series on YT, but its flaws can’t be ignored.
While definitely good points I kind of feel like waiting until 8 is out to make any judgments as to whether or not they were wasted. Without knowing if there's anything that they will be important for in episode 8 (or possibly a second season) I'm not ready to make judgement. Also I think even if J didn't come back and there was never a mention of drones being cloned or back-ups V would still have many people believing she isn't dead for the simple reason her death wasn't shown. And not just once, but again in the final trailer for episode 7 providing an additional opportunity to lay to rest any hopes of V's survival. Regardless of clones or back-ups those two things would have ensured that many would believe she's not dead.
I disagree. 1J is fine, no need to go over that. Eldritch J helps explain the anatomy of the Murder Drones, which is what the sentinels disable of V in order to kill her. 6J just extends the threat of the Murder Drones. Without J coming back, there’s not much reason to keep the series being called Murder Drones if none of them are villains. V coming back would either make her a villain again or not happen, dependent on if Cyn’s existence ends after season 1. Doll’s motives were to find answers and kill V, that’s it. She’s only antagonistic around Uzi because V is around her. She even helped Uzi at her end. Doll’s resurrections aren’t certain. The solvers (Uzi, Nori, and Yeva) are like the first phase of the Murder Drones, where they will only die once most of their body is broken. Nori and Uzi also seem like upgrades compared to Yeva and Doll, considering Uzi gets wings and Nori gets a heart body after she dies, like a Murder Drone, while we see none of this with the Russians. So Doll could actually be dead this time, having been foiled by the true villain, but achieving her goal of killing V. A bit like Loki in Infinity War, where he was killed by Thanos, but achieved the respect he wanted from his brother (only Loki is a better character than Doll in general). As for V’s and N’s developments: V actually has great foreshadowing. Upon rewatch before Episode 7, I noticed that V actually considered Uzi a friend by Episode 4, and that she showed signs of affection to N since Episode 2, and jealousy of Uzi since Episode 3, where she and Uzi are practically unofficially trying to 1-up each other over N in Episode 6, with their quippy remarks to each other like Uzi saying worm V is an improvement. V’s belief was that she was working for humanity and that Cyn was evil. She didn’t care if the identity of who sent her was unknown, until Uzi fixed their memories in Episode 5. Though it took until Alice for V to recognize that Uzi isn’t Cyn, and that Cyn is like a parasite, so she no longer had to be paranoid of Uzi, and could trust her (given Cyn doesn’t take her over). N is on the similar journey of discovery and fixing his mistakes as Uzi was, though he never let himself be his own person until Episode 6 (Episode 3, he was just trying to save the prom, Episode 4 he was distracting V to let Uzi investigate). Episode 6 shows his good willed ideas when separated from V and Uzi, and he’s already skeptical of Tessa, and finally has knowledge V doesn’t, and keeps it all to himself. In Episode 7, he’s on his own, only driven by the will to simultaneously save Uzi and Copper 9. Saying N only develops to love Uzi and be pathetic is like saying Sam from Transformers only develops to love Mikaela and has an ebay page. Just because their stories overlap with who the plot revolves around doesn’t mean they have no plot. Uzi and N are like Mario and Peach in The SMB Movie: Mario moves the plot, but Peach decides the plot. N is true main character of Murder Drones (there’s a lot of evidence for this, but the most fun ones are that Episode 1 is named after him and Glitch loves to use him instead of Uzi, despite Elsie being more readily available than Michael). And N does have characterization. He likes underdogs and supports everyone, best shown with his defensiveness for Cyn in Episode 5. With amnesia, then with his isolated knowledge that his old world and life is gone, he basically has nothing to live for except the new stuff, mainly Uzi. He’s not even pathetic, he’s just not as brutal as J and V demand, though he actually seems more capable than them in battle when he does try. As for Thad and Lizzie, Lizzie was friends with V (it’s sad that she doesn’t know she’s dead). Thad is also friends with Uzi and N. These are basically the only classmates Uzi has that are up to supporting her. I’m hoping you understand why Khan is there. I’m certain Episode 8 will have a reason for those 3 vs 6J.
the part where you said the first episode was named after him isnt right because the first episode of every glitch show is called "pilot" because it's the first time the show is "on air"
Well J wasn't really a villain bc she wanted...was mostly forced to, bc of Cyn modifications and memory wipe out so she was more like just an puppet for the True Villain( The absolute solver)and Doll well she didn't wanted to search for answers with the gang, so... she's basically like: I prefer to do this on my own than team up with the murderer of my parents, so don't get in my way.
I completely agree with you. The true villain is the solver and N, V, and J are/were just her puppets. And we all know that Doll would probably rather die than team up with her parents' killer and her friends, which may have been part of what led Liam to killing her off and the potential fact that he just didn't have anything for her to do anymore (don't get me wrong, her death pulled on my heart)
Liam clearly didn’t have the whole story for this show planned from the beginning, and I suspect he wanted to hype up the Solver as the show’s new big bad, completely discounting the work he had done on other characters beforehand
What doll did is pushed the plot forward first by making uzi n and V to rush into camp 98.7 without questioning about their memories and try to understand what’s going on and secondly she stole the keybug therefore J and tessa couldn’t explain everything to the trio and forced them to go down into the cabin without having the full picture. Also How will v sacrifice ever happened without doll? I mean doll literally made whole trap first blocking them from entering the elevator and opening the doors so the sentinels could get out and there was no escape from them the sentinels were blocking their path and they were on the wrong side of the elevator so V had to do something and i don’t think something like that will ever happen without doll. In my opinion J is useless i agree but doll isn’t she had an actual impact and there are somethings that would’ve never happened without her like V sacrifice for example.
@@The_gaslight_district_Fanboy well at least read my comment before replying and that’s my opinion and if you don’t like murder drones then stop watching its content also i actually have my own opinions and thoughts therefore give your actual opinion on this show and don’t build them based on other people opinions cause i saw some of your comments and you clearly don’t understand the characters you just oversimplify them so please do your own analysis and try to understand what’s going by your own self cause murder drones is that type of show which wants you to think and connect the dots all by yourself cause it’s not meant to be clear and wants you to rewatch it many times because of its writing style
@@Murderdronesnerd damn your living up to your name, and the classic argument “erm it’s just your opinion” like Jesus christ at least accept criticism, and I’m not an idiot, I know everything about this show and the entire lore, i’ve been a fan of it before ep 4, and the characters are not that deep, also I watch the show because I loved the first 3 episodes, and I don’t hate it, it’s more like I love and hate it relating relationship, and I want to see the finale.
Dude i never said you are an idiot but at least read my comment instead of saying the show writing is shit i give my opinion and said that how it’s actually ridiculous to say doll was useless had no no impact whatsoever cause V’s sacrifice could never happen without her also if the murder drones character aren’t that deep then the same thing goes to tadc characters and because i have a different opinion that doesn’t mean i didn’t accept his criticism i just had a different perspective and that is completely normal
The sentinels at the elevator were locked in incubator/ cells, only like 2 aside from the red one were present ( uzi destroyed 2 already). Without doll they would technically gotten into the elevator without any real issue. Halway is narrow and v and actually fight them with the glasses on
My main problem with Doll is that while she is in EVERY episode we don’t see much of her if that makes sense. I wish they kept the whole V revenge plot instead of IN THE SAME EPISODE give her a completely different purpose to find the patch and potentially help Uzi after. Still my favorite charecters though
I hate the idea that N’s moment of him butchering tessa is 'out of character' when it really isn’t, more service of who he is as a character now. He’s his own person
@@EclipseVenexus It is literally N FINALLY NOT LETTING PEOPLE PUSH HIM AROUND, it is one of the best N moments in the whole series, I whole heartedly agree with yoy
i don't give a fuck what yall say, Doll deserved her own N to save her from all the shit. she is (WAS) in the same situation as Shadow, almost a copy-paste of the protagonist but without having gotten the same chances.
"J-Six and Doll post Episode 3 literally serve no purpose in the story of the show" that's literally exactly what i've been saying, these characters have had such nothing presences in the show past ep 3 that they should have just stayed dead and very little, if really anything would actually change. it's such a disappointment too. they really did J and Doll dirty.
4:33 you're kinda wrong here, if Doll didn't take the key bug the first time then it's hard to tell where Uzi, V, and N would've done next since the plot could've gone anywhere at that point. Even if they DID go back to Cabin Fever labs, then J and "Tessa" would have no reason to be standing there. (but maybe i'm wrong lol)
I feel bad for Doll in episode 7, because the moment when she got screen time, she gets killed by a FNAF jump scare, and her body gets eaten and her heart core as well by the Solver. 😢
the murder drones USED too become the villiain.. and then the eldritch J became the villain and then doll became the villain.. and then Uzi became the villain.. then Cyn became the villain.. then the Solver became the villain??????? what/???1/??? then whats next? a god damn roach becomes the villain?
they all were, just reavealed at different moments in the story. it's like having a mini boss villain in each episode, but then comes the final boss (absolute solver/cyn)
2:34 "once you bring a character back, the rest of them can come back" (im paraphrasing btw) Immediately shows the one villain who hasn't done that yet. (Except Uzi, but like. Solver Uzi is a weird case). Tho i feel like (and this is beyond crack theory territory) but like. Alice comes back as a core like how Nori did. Its just a hunch tho. Overall tho, will keep what you said in mind while writing my own stuff. (MD AU)
The Absolute Solver is easily not only the smartest villain, but smartest character in the show. It’s yet to have the obligatory ‘bad guy explains evil plan for no reason to the heroes’, it’s tricked the smartest of the 3 Disassembly Drones by disguising itself as her best friend, walked along the mains for a significant amount of time making damn sure it didn’t break character the whole time playing them all for saps, picks off the most useless of her enemies (Doll) as her vessel would soon no longer be required, and reveals its true from when it didn’t need to because the Solver knew it had already won. The Absolute Solver is an absolute genius.
Yeah so true, I feel like the absolute solver is the only one that is caring the show right now, because N and Uzi are annoying and deeply flawed, and everybody else is either A. Dead for no reason B. useless.
While i agree with the whole "they should have stayed dead thing" i think that doesnt apply to doll cuz she never died before ep 7, in ep 3 she pretends to be dead cuz she is outnumbred, evidence for that is that the "fatal error" sign doesnt appear on her visor, 2nd time she doesnt even pretend to be dead, she pretends to be bootlooped to lure them to a trap. Also J Is More Of A Minion Than A villian And i would not say doll was useless, the main they were doing in ep 6 was search for her after she stole the keybug 3 times, and she caused the death of V because she opened the door to the sentinels, her main goal was killing V Which She accomplished, and they learned a lot of info from her in ep 3 As for J, they seem to be cooking up something for her as she is about to face Thad and lizzy, so those "useless" minuts are building up for what she is about to do in ep 8, but thats just a theory Edit: oh yeah i forgot to mention, doll's death was also used in ep 7 to implicate uzi, So "tessa" would have a reasonable Reason To Kill her, which is something
insane theory: there's no vilains or heroes so first off, if you are also taking J as a presumable vilain, you should take N and V, because in episode 1, V was a bigger vilain and N was following them and even just murdered a bunch of drones in front of Uzi, yet they get pardoned for no reason Doll was never a vilain, the whole time that she was on screen, we saw just her colaborating with Lizzy (yeah, that was in episode 3 and showing both of them hanging out in episode 1 and 2), plus she was only a threat in episode 3 because of V, if you say that J was a vilain, than V would be the same and so Doll than would be a hero, thus it's just wrong because of a contradiction, and also if Doll would be the evil, what would be the good? Uzi who murdered like 5 drones in episode 4? Human kind is dead so we cannot take them as heroes anymore, it's really unclear line you have to draw to begin with for the "good", because you can find examples of a lot of characters being heroes and vilains, thus you can't talk about good or bad if you say that the absolute solver is bad, than all the drones would be also bad because of them being "puppets" of the program, same thing for hero, if you say that any major character is good or bad, than why are they sharing obvious problems (killing other drones) and only differ by objective a good vs bad narative just doesn't work because none of the perspectives make sense and at the same time aren't contradicting themselves a better example is that MD was just a story that showed the character development of Uzi and Doll whilst explaining the world it takes place (possibly for a 2nd season that might not be happening), Uzi had people around her and evolved from an edgy teen to a mature drone that could sacrifice itself for someone else and Doll was the opposite, broken relationships with others and never learnt to cooperate, preffering to be single and working alone i cannot find a better way to explain the story because the action is not as advanced as the character building, people are more curious what will N do after episode 7, rather than what will happen to J or is V alive, it had a direction (even tho i agree it could be better written for sure) also for J fans and Doll fans: J was written as a form of pet for Tessa, so since Tessa is dead and is impersonated by CYN, that's why you thought J was supposed to be a vilain Doll was written to be a loner, and so she kinda just made herself look like an enemy to get Uzi to not explore furthure for her own good (yeah, Doll might've been right)
Honestly, the only reason I still like J is because of her bad character writing. At first I thought she was cool... and maybe I was a little bit of a simp... but whatever. Then, the later episodes came out, she had only 2 minutes of screen time in the entire season, and now I'm noticing how she has managed to kill no one in the series and still has an ego higher than the corpse spire. After all that, I'm still a fan (no, I'm not a simp anymore) but a fan of how stupid and badly writen she is and kinda hope she doesn't die in ep8 to see her make even stupider actions or I guess she can just die and comeback in the same episode, that would just be the sugar on the cream
Dolly lolly! Jesus though did you have to mention what started W.W.1? that was a mean ass way of talking about her shooting at Uzi with the bullet V fired.
I think if J DOESNT team up with Thad Kahn and Lizzy in the finale, then they shouldn’t use her having a big role in the finale at all. She should have a fight and if she teams up with the main cast then hooray! But if they make a season 2 and J DOESNT team up with main cast, they should use her as a main villain in the next season. She would have a motivation being that she’s been beaten TWICE by our protags, and she doesn’t want the company thinking she’s useless.
Yeah youre kinda right, theyre useless after their death, but Doll has an excuse because she was the best MD character and had the biggest potential of all others characters, she was an KEY element to the defeat of Cyn and A.S because she knew how to deal with it, she did a great job surviving Cyn control, thing that Uzi didnt go well dealing with, she had resistance, she knew how to teleport how to make her own scripts, halt.exe is a thing exclusive to Doll, she had te potential of making the script powerfull enough to do something against Cyn, maybe costing her own life and then giving the hope to Uzi, but nah, lets just make the best character of the show become the worst in TWO SCENES and give Uzi the power of deleting blackholes out of nothing so she can delete the big Cyn A.S ultramassive blackhole with a snap of fingers and live a love story with N... I will not forgive them for what they did with my Doll.
The main problem is that villains have absolutely no depth, although this is a mirror of the soul of positive characters. Payne and Naruto, Itadori and Mahito, Sonic and Shadow, and so on. And after all, Uzi and Dal are very similar, but both characters do not carry any depth in their pronunciation, nor do they contribute any philosophy to the story, and so on. I know I'm watching an incredibly brain-bending show, but after watching any senen that tries to reveal the human essence in any character, I feel like I'm watching fan fiction.
Imma be honest, J is kinda washed as a character contray to the amount of glazing she gets by fans because she has next to no impact on the overall plot. She can written out of the show completely and the story would be entirely unchanged. Despite her personality, her best moments of relevence are when she's taking Ls, whether it be getting injured by a pen, dying (twice), or her lack of screen time.
This is nonsense since it just says you didn't pay attention. V cannot come back as J did because that was by Cyn and Doll simply hadn't died, not to mention that she doesn't have Doll's solver. Doll is a character, she's a mirror to Uzi, her value is there, not just on plot progression. And no, V wouldnt have died, doll was the only part. Also, V and N both get development, but you would need to actually pay attention for that.
for starters doll doesn't die because you can't kill a drone using the absolute solver easily, and for J well it's just to keep the threat away temporarily, because it's crazy you're the type of person who rallies because J is not developed enough, but when the series gives J a chance you continue to not be happy, all the same... For V it is precisely the fact of not knowing if she is really dead that is impactful. But if doll doesn't have the trick to activate the elevator and try to accomplish her objective, because it's not just revenge that she's looking for, it's especially the patch. You don't understand the development of V, she develops with each episode, little by little she changes her behavior so no, she doesn't go from I'm going to kill you to I'm going to sacrifice myself for you... and you also didn't understand the death of doll, she didn't die at the time when uzi lay in the chapel she died when cyn ate her heart a little nearby... So that's really a confirmation that you didn't understand anything about MD
Isn't the same making a house with the bases alr one than building it from 0, also J and Doll aren't villains I explained it alr on my comment but it seems that people are blind
To Be honest, I thought the main villain was The absolute solver itself.
it is
Sort of, it’s the catalyst for how the villains are made in this show, but the program itself is just a tool that carries out directives as stated by itself and Uzi in episode 2.
I know, I know, it’s not the popular consensus theory of “solver is the source of all that is evil and controls everyone and everything” but that’s just blatantly not true because Doll and Uzi are rarely controlled by it unless Cyn is up to something or the solver is hungry. People also forget Cyn has to already be damaged AI for the solver to have a chance of occurring, so even without the solver she would have been a psychopath upon waking up. The solver definitely isn’t controlling her actions.
The villain is The Absolute Solver/Cyn cause Cyn is The Absolute Solver
@@EthanTheAntno J's boss is Cyn, in ep 6 J said"boss ran away". The boss in question being Cyn, you will need subtitles to hear the line.
Yeah pretty much
Absolutely. MD, for basically every single episode, throws a dart that determines our “villain of the week.” In a show where screentime is practically a universal issue for anyone who isn’t N or Uzi, it completely undermines the “villains” because you know for a fact that they’ll all get defeated because the show must go on. We can only hope for Red Redemption and Justice for J now, and both of those guys just got completely robbed in blind daylight. Excellent video, UnCom.
Yooo he said the thing! Red Redemption!
Anyways yeah I hope if there is a season 2 the issues with the show get resolved.
I love this show and think it’s one of the best indie shows on YT rn, but it has some severe flaws that I really hope get ironed out if a season 2 hopefully happens
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Nono you don’t understand. J will serve a vital purpose in episode 8 and get a full character arc and have an awesome fight scene and emotional moments and serve the narrative and get a happy ending and get her own spin off show and-
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OK, mr. I love J or mr. I hate the fudge, even though both of them are useless.
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The N part is so true. I want N to NOT have the "I love Uzi" and "I am not a VERY strong Murder Drone"
I. Want. Him. To. Snap.
he is litterally the more stronger of the murder drone. J is destroyed by a powerless uzi, and V can't hurt N, who put it Ko in one fell swoop. and it was their relationship that made them grow, and the same goes for uzi
@@Prisme0 yeah
4:03 It exists because Thad the GOAT has been on his training arc and will now save humanity
Dang, I'm starting to queston Liam's writing on the show
And I'll take this video as a learning experience because I'll probably need it
I've questioned ever since the show itself treated the concepts that the show is built as strongly as cardboard. Murders Drone as Terminator extermination squads with traits of t-1000/vampires/xenomorphs barely get any narrative weight when they often get used to make "Uzi is weird" joke.
@@taptiotrevizo9415 The humor of murder drones never jived with me. The story and lore is what keeps me invested.
Liam had a different plan when writing the show initially but rewrote the show after the pilot. Also I think the combination of Indie budgeting constraints requiring fast paced writing as well as GLITCH possibly meddling with the script have contributed to the wacky writing of the show.
@@Axolotl_2347 knowing the kind of person Kevin is, meddling with the script is the most likely case. although Liam Vickers has never been good at writing characters.
@@cherrybombwaffles518Really? That was his biggest strength as a writer. In his older stuff at least. puppetGAME was all about the characters and Liam did just fine with that. His problem is that he rewrote his story halfway through his own series. The show was meant to have more of a high school esque angle for a lot longer. But they had to pace it up. Liam is trying to write what he would usually do in about an hour long episode, and is trying to squeeze that into 15-20 minutes.
Only thing I'll argue is that Doll being alive does serve SOME purpose in episodes 3 and 6. In 3, she's able to catch Uzi off guard and properly reveal her having the AbsoluteSolver to the audience. In 6, she SOMEWHAT gets closure on Yeva's death by being the one to cause V's death (indirectly). For episodes 4, 5, and 7, however, yeah she was better off dead. Overall great video my man!
Reasons why I really want to do a whole show rewrite because damn there’s a lot of missed potential in this series it makes me grip my cup of orange juice so hard that the glass breaks and then I eat the glass, I love MD, but like I really wish they could’ve done more with it
I 100% AGREE! As a fan of both characters it really hurts me to see two of my favorite villains become nothing.
I love how j called n useless and terrible and then she herself ends up useless and terrible
and she hasn't killed anyone in the series yet N has killed... lemme check
1.Six drones (I think) in the Pilot
2.I guess he also attempted to kill Tescyn in Mass Distruction, but you can look at that in a more positive way then a failled kill: He decapetated who he thought was Tessa after learning she was lying about the patch which was very unexpected for N and really shows how much he had improved. In the Pilot, the max amount of rebelling he could do was "Uh, J, you're sometimes kinda mean to me and I wish you weren't, just some constructive criticism" then in Cabin Fever he stood up for himself when V was hiding the truth from him, so yeah, good for N, at least now he's the loyal servent of Uzi rather then loyal servent of everyone
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@@alpdemirerel2074J killed one Drone in the Pilot
Both Doll fans and J fans can agree that the characters were kinda robbed after their main featured episode.
While I think murder drones is amazing, it is flawed, and some of the lack of purpose of Doll and J are kinda due to the fast pace of the show.
I feel like Doll after episode 3 is less useless than J in episode 6, but that’s probably just me being biased cus Doll is my favorite character. The thing is, Doll does serve a meta-narrative purpose. Her character shows what is essentially the “anti-Uzi”, or what would have happened to Uzi if she didn’t open up her feelings and become friends with N. Uzi was just as introverted and isolated as Doll in the beginning of the pilot. Uzi was successful because she had friends and trusted others, Doll failed* because she refused to trust others.
*Maybe her core could get barfed out or she could claw her way out of Cyn’s stomach? Im probably just coping lol.
Every show has some flaws. Nothing is perfect.
I love J Five and her hit song "I want you back"
Doll post episode 3 I think does serve a purpose though. She acts as a way to should what Uzi could have become if Uzi stayed isolated like she was in beginning of the pilot before meeting N. Doll’s character is meant to have a tragic flaw, that being her lack of trust in other people.
All J did was be a jerk to N, die, and come back and destroy the ships in episode 7.
I really hope that if a season 2 releases that the series fixes its pacing/writing issues. I adore Murder Drones and think it’s one of the best indie series on YT, but its flaws can’t be ignored.
While definitely good points I kind of feel like waiting until 8 is out to make any judgments as to whether or not they were wasted. Without knowing if there's anything that they will be important for in episode 8 (or possibly a second season) I'm not ready to make judgement. Also I think even if J didn't come back and there was never a mention of drones being cloned or back-ups V would still have many people believing she isn't dead for the simple reason her death wasn't shown. And not just once, but again in the final trailer for episode 7 providing an additional opportunity to lay to rest any hopes of V's survival. Regardless of clones or back-ups those two things would have ensured that many would believe she's not dead.
Bro woke up and chose facts
I disagree.
1J is fine, no need to go over that. Eldritch J helps explain the anatomy of the Murder Drones, which is what the sentinels disable of V in order to kill her. 6J just extends the threat of the Murder Drones. Without J coming back, there’s not much reason to keep the series being called Murder Drones if none of them are villains. V coming back would either make her a villain again or not happen, dependent on if Cyn’s existence ends after season 1.
Doll’s motives were to find answers and kill V, that’s it. She’s only antagonistic around Uzi because V is around her. She even helped Uzi at her end. Doll’s resurrections aren’t certain. The solvers (Uzi, Nori, and Yeva) are like the first phase of the Murder Drones, where they will only die once most of their body is broken. Nori and Uzi also seem like upgrades compared to Yeva and Doll, considering Uzi gets wings and Nori gets a heart body after she dies, like a Murder Drone, while we see none of this with the Russians. So Doll could actually be dead this time, having been foiled by the true villain, but achieving her goal of killing V. A bit like Loki in Infinity War, where he was killed by Thanos, but achieved the respect he wanted from his brother (only Loki is a better character than Doll in general).
As for V’s and N’s developments:
V actually has great foreshadowing. Upon rewatch before Episode 7, I noticed that V actually considered Uzi a friend by Episode 4, and that she showed signs of affection to N since Episode 2, and jealousy of Uzi since Episode 3, where she and Uzi are practically unofficially trying to 1-up each other over N in Episode 6, with their quippy remarks to each other like Uzi saying worm V is an improvement. V’s belief was that she was working for humanity and that Cyn was evil. She didn’t care if the identity of who sent her was unknown, until Uzi fixed their memories in Episode 5. Though it took until Alice for V to recognize that Uzi isn’t Cyn, and that Cyn is like a parasite, so she no longer had to be paranoid of Uzi, and could trust her (given Cyn doesn’t take her over).
N is on the similar journey of discovery and fixing his mistakes as Uzi was, though he never let himself be his own person until Episode 6 (Episode 3, he was just trying to save the prom, Episode 4 he was distracting V to let Uzi investigate). Episode 6 shows his good willed ideas when separated from V and Uzi, and he’s already skeptical of Tessa, and finally has knowledge V doesn’t, and keeps it all to himself. In Episode 7, he’s on his own, only driven by the will to simultaneously save Uzi and Copper 9. Saying N only develops to love Uzi and be pathetic is like saying Sam from Transformers only develops to love Mikaela and has an ebay page. Just because their stories overlap with who the plot revolves around doesn’t mean they have no plot. Uzi and N are like Mario and Peach in The SMB Movie: Mario moves the plot, but Peach decides the plot. N is true main character of Murder Drones (there’s a lot of evidence for this, but the most fun ones are that Episode 1 is named after him and Glitch loves to use him instead of Uzi, despite Elsie being more readily available than Michael). And N does have characterization. He likes underdogs and supports everyone, best shown with his defensiveness for Cyn in Episode 5. With amnesia, then with his isolated knowledge that his old world and life is gone, he basically has nothing to live for except the new stuff, mainly Uzi. He’s not even pathetic, he’s just not as brutal as J and V demand, though he actually seems more capable than them in battle when he does try.
As for Thad and Lizzie, Lizzie was friends with V (it’s sad that she doesn’t know she’s dead). Thad is also friends with Uzi and N. These are basically the only classmates Uzi has that are up to supporting her. I’m hoping you understand why Khan is there. I’m certain Episode 8 will have a reason for those 3 vs 6J.
the part where you said the first episode was named after him isnt right because the first episode of every glitch show is called "pilot" because it's the first time the show is "on air"
@@elemonade123 I know that.
@@elemonade123 its a pun, its both
Uzi Potter… the drone that lives
Well J wasn't really a villain bc she wanted...was mostly forced to, bc of Cyn modifications and memory wipe out so she was more like just an puppet for the True Villain( The absolute solver)and Doll well she didn't wanted to search for answers with the gang, so... she's basically like: I prefer to do this on my own than team up with the murderer of my parents, so don't get in my way.
I completely agree with you. The true villain is the solver and N, V, and J are/were just her puppets. And we all know that Doll would probably rather die than team up with her parents' killer and her friends, which may have been part of what led Liam to killing her off and the potential fact that he just didn't have anything for her to do anymore (don't get me wrong, her death pulled on my heart)
@@Tooautistictohandle no problem
@@Tooautistictohandle Nice one on that last quote
@@bonzey9895 thanks!
0:06 Ay bro watch yo zoom
BRO WATCH YO Z-
Liam clearly didn’t have the whole story for this show planned from the beginning, and I suspect he wanted to hype up the Solver as the show’s new big bad, completely discounting the work he had done on other characters beforehand
What doll did is pushed the plot forward first by making uzi n and V to rush into camp 98.7 without questioning about their memories and try to understand what’s going on and secondly she stole the keybug therefore J and tessa couldn’t explain everything to the trio and forced them to go down into the cabin without having the full picture. Also How will v sacrifice ever happened without doll? I mean doll literally made whole trap first blocking them from entering the elevator and opening the doors so the sentinels could get out and there was no escape from them the sentinels were blocking their path and they were on the wrong side of the elevator so V had to do something and i don’t think something like that will ever happen without doll. In my opinion J is useless i agree but doll isn’t she had an actual impact and there are somethings that would’ve never happened without her like V sacrifice for example.
I have nothing but applause for this. I completely agree with you.👏👏👏
You guys still defend this s*** writing, god what a world we live in.
@@The_gaslight_district_Fanboy well at least read my comment before replying and that’s my opinion and if you don’t like murder drones then stop watching its content also i actually have my own opinions and thoughts therefore give your actual opinion on this show and don’t build them based on other people opinions cause i saw some of your comments and you clearly don’t understand the characters you just oversimplify them so please do your own analysis and try to understand what’s going by your own self cause murder drones is that type of show which wants you to think and connect the dots all by yourself cause it’s not meant to be clear and wants you to rewatch it many times because of its writing style
@@Murderdronesnerd damn your living up to your name, and the classic argument “erm it’s just your opinion” like Jesus christ at least accept criticism, and I’m not an idiot, I know everything about this show and the entire lore, i’ve been a fan of it before ep 4, and the characters are not that deep, also I watch the show because I loved the first 3 episodes, and I don’t hate it, it’s more like I love and hate it relating relationship, and I want to see the finale.
Dude i never said you are an idiot but at least read my comment instead of saying the show writing is shit i give my opinion and said that how it’s actually ridiculous to say doll was useless had no no impact whatsoever cause V’s sacrifice could never happen without her also if the murder drones character aren’t that deep then the same thing goes to tadc characters and because i have a different opinion that doesn’t mean i didn’t accept his criticism i just had a different perspective and that is completely normal
The sentinels at the elevator were locked in incubator/ cells, only like 2 aside from the red one were present ( uzi destroyed 2 already). Without doll they would technically gotten into the elevator without any real issue. Halway is narrow and v and actually fight them with the glasses on
Why my favorite characters get treated so horribly!?!? :(
My main problem with Doll is that while she is in EVERY episode we don’t see much of her if that makes sense. I wish they kept the whole V revenge plot instead of IN THE SAME EPISODE give her a completely different purpose to find the patch and potentially help Uzi after. Still my favorite charecters though
Also the N comment is PEAK, I’m so glad he got SOME type of character development in episode 7
I hate the idea that N’s moment of him butchering tessa is 'out of character' when it really isn’t, more service of who he is as a character now. He’s his own person
@@EclipseVenexus It is literally N FINALLY NOT LETTING PEOPLE PUSH HIM AROUND, it is one of the best N moments in the whole series, I whole heartedly agree with yoy
I'm happy to see you back!
it wouldn't be a Glitch show if they didn't kill a character to bring them back in the same episode
i don't give a fuck what yall say, Doll deserved her own N to save her from all the shit.
she is (WAS) in the same situation as Shadow, almost a copy-paste of the protagonist but without having gotten the same chances.
RED REDEMPTIONNNN
"J-Six and Doll post Episode 3 literally serve no purpose in the story of the show"
that's literally exactly what i've been saying, these characters have had such nothing presences in the show past ep 3 that they should have just stayed dead and very little, if really anything would actually change.
it's such a disappointment too. they really did J and Doll dirty.
4:33 you're kinda wrong here, if Doll didn't take the key bug the first time then it's hard to tell where Uzi, V, and N would've done next since the plot could've gone anywhere at that point. Even if they DID go back to Cabin Fever labs, then J and "Tessa" would have no reason to be standing there. (but maybe i'm wrong lol)
Doll more like Dead
I feel bad for Doll in episode 7, because the moment when she got screen time, she gets killed by a FNAF jump scare, and her body gets eaten and her heart core as well by the Solver. 😢
It would have been so cool to see Cyn walk out of that life pod. Then “Tessa” and J.
agreed
the murder drones USED too become the villiain.. and then the eldritch J became the villain and then doll became the villain.. and then Uzi became the villain.. then Cyn became the villain.. then the Solver became the villain??????? what/???1/??? then whats next? a god damn roach becomes the villain?
they all were, just reavealed at different moments in the story. it's like having a mini boss villain in each episode, but then comes the final boss (absolute solver/cyn)
@@superdjack5538 i can't keep track of the villains 😢
Murder drones has the pacing of your average less than 40 chapter cancel shonen jump manga.
@@jeffwaynetripod169 too bad
To be fair, the only actual villain in MD is The Solver, J, V, and Doll are just antagonists not proper villains
2:34 "once you bring a character back, the rest of them can come back" (im paraphrasing btw)
Immediately shows the one villain who hasn't done that yet. (Except Uzi, but like. Solver Uzi is a weird case).
Tho i feel like (and this is beyond crack theory territory) but like. Alice comes back as a core like how Nori did. Its just a hunch tho.
Overall tho, will keep what you said in mind while writing my own stuff. (MD AU)
The Absolute Solver is easily not only the smartest villain, but smartest character in the show.
It’s yet to have the obligatory ‘bad guy explains evil plan for no reason to the heroes’, it’s tricked the smartest of the 3 Disassembly Drones by disguising itself as her best friend, walked along the mains for a significant amount of time making damn sure it didn’t break character the whole time playing them all for saps, picks off the most useless of her enemies (Doll) as her vessel would soon no longer be required, and reveals its true from when it didn’t need to because the Solver knew it had already won.
The Absolute Solver is an absolute genius.
Yeah so true, I feel like the absolute solver is the only one that is caring the show right now, because N and Uzi are annoying and deeply flawed, and everybody else is either A. Dead for no reason B. useless.
While i agree with the whole "they should have stayed dead thing" i think that doesnt apply to doll cuz she never died before ep 7, in ep 3 she pretends to be dead cuz she is outnumbred, evidence for that is that the "fatal error" sign doesnt appear on her visor, 2nd time she doesnt even pretend to be dead, she pretends to be bootlooped to lure them to a trap.
Also J Is More Of A Minion Than A villian
And i would not say doll was useless, the main they were doing in ep 6 was search for her after she stole the keybug 3 times, and she caused the death of V because she opened the door to the sentinels, her main goal was killing V Which She accomplished, and they learned a lot of info from her in ep 3
As for J, they seem to be cooking up something for her as she is about to face Thad and lizzy, so those "useless" minuts are building up for what she is about to do in ep 8, but thats just a theory
Edit: oh yeah i forgot to mention, doll's death was also used in ep 7 to implicate uzi, So "tessa" would have a reasonable Reason To Kill her, which is something
insane theory:
there's no vilains or heroes
so first off, if you are also taking J as a presumable vilain, you should take N and V, because in episode 1, V was a bigger vilain and N was following them and even just murdered a bunch of drones in front of Uzi, yet they get pardoned for no reason
Doll was never a vilain, the whole time that she was on screen, we saw just her colaborating with Lizzy (yeah, that was in episode 3 and showing both of them hanging out in episode 1 and 2), plus she was only a threat in episode 3 because of V, if you say that J was a vilain, than V would be the same and so Doll than would be a hero, thus it's just wrong because of a contradiction, and also if Doll would be the evil, what would be the good? Uzi who murdered like 5 drones in episode 4? Human kind is dead so we cannot take them as heroes anymore, it's really unclear line you have to draw to begin with for the "good", because you can find examples of a lot of characters being heroes and vilains, thus you can't talk about good or bad
if you say that the absolute solver is bad, than all the drones would be also bad because of them being "puppets" of the program, same thing for hero, if you say that any major character is good or bad, than why are they sharing obvious problems (killing other drones) and only differ by objective
a good vs bad narative just doesn't work because none of the perspectives make sense and at the same time aren't contradicting themselves
a better example is that MD was just a story that showed the character development of Uzi and Doll whilst explaining the world it takes place (possibly for a 2nd season that might not be happening), Uzi had people around her and evolved from an edgy teen to a mature drone that could sacrifice itself for someone else and Doll was the opposite, broken relationships with others and never learnt to cooperate, preffering to be single and working alone
i cannot find a better way to explain the story because the action is not as advanced as the character building, people are more curious what will N do after episode 7, rather than what will happen to J or is V alive, it had a direction (even tho i agree it could be better written for sure)
also for J fans and Doll fans:
J was written as a form of pet for Tessa, so since Tessa is dead and is impersonated by CYN, that's why you thought J was supposed to be a vilain
Doll was written to be a loner, and so she kinda just made herself look like an enemy to get Uzi to not explore furthure for her own good (yeah, Doll might've been right)
Murder automaton legion when?
i agree with the video but honestly im just happy to have a good animation with a solid for the most part story
Honestly, the only reason I still like J is because of her bad character writing. At first I thought she was cool... and maybe I was a little bit of a simp... but whatever. Then, the later episodes came out, she had only 2 minutes of screen time in the entire season, and now I'm noticing how she has managed to kill no one in the series and still has an ego higher than the corpse spire. After all that, I'm still a fan (no, I'm not a simp anymore) but a fan of how stupid and badly writen she is and kinda hope she doesn't die in ep8 to see her make even stupider actions
or I guess she can just die and comeback in the same episode, that would just be the sugar on the cream
People really trying to search the bad things of the show but not the good ones ,and search an more simple or logical answer lol
There is a possibility that might have a huge role in episode+ or season 2. (Unlikely)
Doll coming back as disassembly drone maybe???
Dolly lolly!
Jesus though did you have to mention what started W.W.1? that was a mean ass way of talking about her shooting at Uzi with the bullet V fired.
Yep.
Trust my GOAT DOLL is coming back
J is the new williman afton from fnaf 💀
I always come back
0:28 N is a lucky man
I think if J DOESNT team up with Thad Kahn and Lizzy in the finale, then they shouldn’t use her having a big role in the finale at all. She should have a fight and if she teams up with the main cast then hooray! But if they make a season 2 and J DOESNT team up with main cast, they should use her as a main villain in the next season. She would have a motivation being that she’s been beaten TWICE by our protags, and she doesn’t want the company thinking she’s useless.
Yeah youre kinda right, theyre useless after their death, but Doll has an excuse because she was the best MD character and had the biggest potential of all others characters, she was an KEY element to the defeat of Cyn and A.S because she knew how to deal with it, she did a great job surviving Cyn control, thing that Uzi didnt go well dealing with, she had resistance, she knew how to teleport how to make her own scripts, halt.exe is a thing exclusive to Doll, she had te potential of making the script powerfull enough to do something against Cyn, maybe costing her own life and then giving the hope to Uzi, but nah, lets just make the best character of the show become the worst in TWO SCENES and give Uzi the power of deleting blackholes out of nothing so she can delete the big Cyn A.S ultramassive blackhole with a snap of fingers and live a love story with N... I will not forgive them for what they did with my Doll.
They should have made the villain an Australian man who didn't do anything bad.
The main problem is that villains have absolutely no depth, although this is a mirror of the soul of positive characters. Payne and Naruto, Itadori and Mahito, Sonic and Shadow, and so on. And after all, Uzi and Dal are very similar, but both characters do not carry any depth in their pronunciation, nor do they contribute any philosophy to the story, and so on. I know I'm watching an incredibly brain-bending show, but after watching any senen that tries to reveal the human essence in any character, I feel like I'm watching fan fiction.
what is that intro 🥲
Also nice vid
Imma be honest, J is kinda washed as a character contray to the amount of glazing she gets by fans because she has next to no impact on the overall plot. She can written out of the show completely and the story would be entirely unchanged. Despite her personality, her best moments of relevence are when she's taking Ls, whether it be getting injured by a pen, dying (twice), or her lack of screen time.
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This is nonsense since it just says you didn't pay attention. V cannot come back as J did because that was by Cyn and Doll simply hadn't died, not to mention that she doesn't have Doll's solver. Doll is a character, she's a mirror to Uzi, her value is there, not just on plot progression. And no, V wouldnt have died, doll was the only part. Also, V and N both get development, but you would need to actually pay attention for that.
for starters doll doesn't die because you can't kill a drone using the absolute solver easily, and for J well it's just to keep the threat away temporarily, because it's crazy you're the type of person who rallies because J is not developed enough, but when the series gives J a chance you continue to not be happy, all the same... For V it is precisely the fact of not knowing if she is really dead that is impactful. But if doll doesn't have the trick to activate the elevator and try to accomplish her objective, because it's not just revenge that she's looking for, it's especially the patch. You don't understand the development of V, she develops with each episode, little by little she changes her behavior so no, she doesn't go from I'm going to kill you to I'm going to sacrifice myself for you...
and you also didn't understand the death of doll, she didn't die at the time when uzi lay in the chapel she died when cyn ate her heart a little nearby... So that's really a confirmation that you didn't understand anything about MD
Bro even some sunday morning cartoon do better job at making villains than murder drones
Tbh. J isnt really that bad in my opinion. Shes just a bit ruined. Yk?
The characters shown in the thumbnail aren't even villains, doll is an anti-hero and j is just mean
Froggy drones when🐸❓
I still love, but im also starting to hate this show.
I’ve seen fanfics make better MD villains lol (myself included)
Isn't the same making a house with the bases alr one than building it from 0, also J and Doll aren't villains I explained it alr on my comment but it seems that people are blind