@@aidandevine8981 Let's add Ian played with a huge disadvantage that he is autistic, which we know this now in hindsight as he reveled it this season but TBH as an autistic person myself it was obvious... and I was like 14 at the time lol. (Please note I am not saying to sympathize with autistic people automatically or trying to disrespect them. Just saying that in a social game like Big Brother, having a disorder that screws your ability to do things like read people's faces, a room, etc. can screw you entirely. Obviously autism is also a spectrum so it affects others differently but we clearly see Ian's place on the spectrum involves social skills.)
I agree with what you said about Tyler. The fact that he lost to Kaycee is STILL infuriating. KC's so forgettable that my parents don't even remember who won BB20 lol. Unlike Paul's loss, the jury had no justified reason to be so damn bitter. Tyler would easily be a top 3 winner....ugh
Ken i dont think its fair to say bb20’s jury was bitter. They just simply liked KC more than Tyler. You cant expect people to not vote to give some one they like on a personal level money
Cam The Man I agree with that. Like Dan evicted Shane in 14 because he was a likeable comp beast and Dan understood that those types are often liked by the jury. Shane was basically the Kaycee and Tyler failed to take her out when he could have. Dan understood the jury and that oftentimes they vote for who they like more rather than strategic gameplay which Tyler did not take into account. Kaycee was likeable and had enough on her resume to be deemed a respectable winner. Was she a better player than Tyler? Absolutely not. But I can see why the jury would vote for her
@@williamiceman9939 for example, Dick donate is a really good player, definitely top 20. But his winning game was horrible. He literally goes home final 9, if it wasn’t for Eric being a twist and not being able to play his own game.
But if he was in a season with PoV, he almost 100% goes home at final 4. He needed the PoV not to exist to win that season (Ironically, the reason he goes home in Season 7 is 'cause of a PoV at final 4). Hardy and Nicole were both great at comps and would easily destroy Will and Monica in whatever the veto would be, 'cause neither Will nor Monica were good at comps, and Monica only won the final 4 HOH because Will accidentally got Nicole to throw it (By moving the sheet, he accidentally caused her to leave the comp, then threw it to Monica)
Eh, not necessarily. He was already crafting a wedge in between Nicole/Hardy in case he got stuck in that scenario. Do I think he goes toe to toe with them & is able to beat them if that was to play out? Probably not. But remember the comps in (BB2) were all crapshoot & not skill based. He already was able to actively get Nicole to backstab all her allies (the real people) Monica, Bunky, Kent, Krista, etc. whether he is able to get her to go against hardy is a different story but definitely possible. She had no winning route (0 winning equity) & her only probable chance of winning was against Will. I think he would of spearheaded that into her head.
I think the problem is you're ranking the winners via dominance. While manipulation doesn't count (well u put Andy in top 3 somehow but other manipulative players fall below 8th place) and ofc dan @5
Gabriel Camilleri Completely agree dominance is one topic and there are other topics like Dr Will did great for his win since he was completely solo and Dan’s game in BB10 were his game was great
i feel that a single game is better with more dominance, as its something players strive for in the game, and a lack of that makes one have a less solid game than someone who was a dominant player
Absolutely 100% agree!! It also had the best, most memorable and hilarious fights and old man Jerry's golden one-liners....."You'll always be Judas to me"
You put too much emphasis on how much control the winners had, and that to me kinda undermines the winners, because, like you said, some players gameplay relied on having less control than others.
Josh was literally the goat to take to the end from day 1. That never changed. To me he should be last on this. He was chaos always, a bully, and emotional. I think he would have lost to literally every other player except the girl who left the game right away, and had Paul burned one less player he too would have won.
Tyler maybe, Paul it depends on which season. Season 19 I think the cast and the circumstances would push it down just out of top 3 (keep in mind I fuckin hate Paul, but I'm not being biased here at all. There are plenty of people who will tell you Paul deserved to lose to Josh and I'm not doing that lol)
If Paul won BB18 he would probably be ranked where Nicole is ranked at best since his game wasn't any better than Nicole's. BB19 who knows. By dominance top 3 if he won, but it was a rigged season with the worst cast ever.
Everytime you rank something like this I ask myself did he see what I saw? Am I just losing it? Look I agree Andy and Maggie are right up there probably #4 and #5 but they do not surpass Dan. Once again I have to rule against your dominance ranking x.x Because I do not believe despite America's Player that Dick is worst than Rachel and Jordan
The whole “control” thing is absolutely annoying. Control, a lot of times, is dependent more on the cast rather than the winner. Boston Rob had so much control on his season of survivor because the cast was dumb as hell, not because he was some amazing cult leader. He would’ve never been able to do something like that in a season like David vs. Goliath. People like Derrick are the same way. He had control because almost all of the cast was absolute garbage at the game, except maybe Frankie, Donny, and kind of Cody but he was too naive not to trust Derrick. Derrick never would’ve been able to do that in a cast from BB10 or even BB15.
Tbh the bottom 3 dont really matter at all. They all can be placed in any order. I would put Jordan the highest though just because being a really nice person actually does put you at a great advantage in the game (as much as I hate to admit it)
Some people hating when he legit said this isn't about how they played as players but how their winning games went and how in control of it was! This was a good list
Aligned himself with the strongest showmance in the House and could’ve went home at 6th place instead of the Elissa by successfully convincing McCrae that she voted Amanda out and was smooth sailing from there. He’s number 4 in my list behind the big 3 (Will, Dan, and Derrick).
Ethan Uy I understand that but I can name 10 winners who game were stronger. He basically played slow and just got to the end because there were bigger threats. Plus the season wasn’t good at all so that makes his winning status go down. Derrick, Dan, Will, & Even Jackson game was better
Ian literally pulled the Boogie move over WEEKS of playing double agent. That shows so much social ability and such a good poker face. It was the right time because he was always in danger of getting found out
I agree. That twist was a part of the game that benefited or affected more players than just dick. To discount dicks game just because of the twist and Dani being another vote for him isn't right. Each season has twists that make huge impacts on the game. Americas player was extremely influential in that season more than many other season twists, but the donato's gameplay is still impressive as they made it to final 2 and won many comps when they needed to and they dominated that season.
@@mmelon2863 The reason that he’s so low is because he was just so directly saved by a twist. If it wasn’t for the America’s Player twist, he 100% goes home.
This is the problem with people thoughts on Vanessa too. They credit them for getting out of situations that they got themselves into. Dan Derrick Tyler and Hayden don’t rly have that problem
Complete control of the game and all the players in it from start to finish is an overall losing strategy in big brother, it's ridiculous to rank the winners that way
I think a lot of Derrick's win is a result of the other players not being very good. This season had a lot of floaters and a lot of big personalities. Pretty annoyed Derrick didn't make All Stars this year, because I'd love to see how he handles other strategic threats.
Will’s win is so underrated because of his sheer dominance in all stars. Realistically he played perfectly and did everything needed to do to win. He took risks and was flashy and even with the worst final speech of all time he still won it really goes to show the greatness of his manipulation.
The one thing that makes me mad about your rankings is what you think about competitions I mean strategy isn’t everything but neither is a physical game. I think you also underrate a social game but, I do respect your opinion.
Thank you for not letting personal biases influence your spot on list. This is a list on best winning strategy and gameplay, not favorite/best player. Enjoyed this video.
Lisa is so underrated. Everybody calls her a floater since she won against Danielle. Lisa did a lot of good things. She convinced everybody to vote Amy back in, She came up with using sign language to communicate with Danielle, She convinced Danielle to cut Amy off, She turned down the 5000 which won her the game. The 5000 move is so underrated tbh.
@@xakdish4169 she was a dominant force in season 7 (all stars), she was a main leader of the sovering six alliance who dominated the first 4 weeks of the game, and then during 7 evitions she was either the HOH of the POV holder winning 4 and 5 consequently (which is still the record in a single season 14 seasons later), by winning her last POV she evicted Dr. Will by herself. is she the best houseguest? no, but dominant? yeees, there a not a lot of players who can say they got to the final 3 twice, or got themselves being on of the biggest target in the game from the get-go and then win competitions all the way to the final 3, like she did, she holds the record for most competitions in a single season as i already mention, and most overall competitions for a female houseguest with 6 HOH`s, 7 POV´s, and 2 Coaches Comp. she has the record for a most days inside the big brother house for a female houseguest with 177. you may not like her, but she is indeed a great player, did i mention dominant? yeah, and a very dominant one.
@@johanhoyos2318 ok u just proved to me that she is only dominant when it comes to comps but when it comes to strategy she sucks. During season 7 chill town literraly ran circles around her and the sov 6 alliance. The reason why she evicted Will in the final 4 was because Erica convinced her to do it not cause she wanted to do it. Her hohs were not impressive because she evicted weak players. I mean come on Will convinced her to put Marcellas (who was one of her allies) on the block and she did which then resulted for her loosing a number. Janelle is good at one thing and that's winning comps but she sucks at strategy.
@@xakdish4169 i never said she was good at strategy, she is not the houseguest that comes to mind when someone says "mastermind" or "puppet master", the discussion is about being dominant. although bb is a social experiment where total strangers get in a house to live together and evict each other, how can you evict a hg who is constantly HoH and everytime gets nominated (4 times) wins the POV? what i am saying is: Janelle is not a mastermind or strategist by any means, but when you take a look at her game in bb7 she was the most dominant hg, everyone saw how threatening she was by her challenge wins with 4 hoh and 5 vetos total, every single week she was in the hot seat managing to keep herself out of the block. just open the next link and watch from minute 3 to 6, how every one in the house recognised her as a challenge beast as she won her 3rd Hoh in week 6, it was her 5th comp at the moment: ua-cam.com/video/zGWrzBT48ME/v-deo.html and watch this one from minute 2 to 4 and see how many comps she won: ua-cam.com/video/3YBw_DW4l-0/v-deo.html in my original comment i manifested that he should do a video about dominant hg who never won, Janelle should be there just by her comp wins, she still has the record for most HoH and PoV in a single season with 4 and 5, and that is to be dominant as far as competitions count.
Johan Hoyos I think it’s because all the other hg’s you listed dominated the game strategically (which is way more important than comp wins) so Janelle seems really out of place bc she was never a “mastermind” or anything like the other players you listed
I love your videos and I’ve been binging them so much! But I also don’t like the ranking them on control when some of the winners game is literally giving up control to win. It just leaves me thinking how this list would be if it was ranked differently.
I hate how you say “if this didn’t happen..” but it DID happen. Why can’t you rank them based on how the season played out vs how it could’ve played out? At that point you’re just ranking them based on how you wanted the season to play out not how it actually did
@@voodoomcspaghettipants4082 Yeah and Will's winning game was still better than Boogie's bozo (are you Boogie, wouldn't surprise me given how coocoo he has gone). Boogie wanted to to lose All Stars Will. He activiely was playing to lose the game. That is not a better winning than someone who despite limited power was actively playing to win (Will on BB2).
@@robdurdain5912 I agree that the fact that boogie was playing a losing game on all stars is a huge knock against him. That’s not up for question. Despite that, he still was in a much better position for the entirety of the game than will was in s2. Will and Boogie were in complete control for a lot of all stars, and if will beat boogie at the end, wills all stars winning game would be very high on the list. Boogie played a similar game but had a harder path to a win, so he’s lower. The intended game path isn’t the end all be all of the ranking
Plus like he said boogie led will in the right direction at points like not being on the block at 8 when he volunteered and boogie had to correct that and they were splitting the money so it doesn't matter but ik that isn't as fun
Winning game ranks S Tier 1. Dan 2. Andy 3. Cody 4. Derrick 5. Jun 6. Dane A. Tier 7. Nicole 8. Will 9.Hayden 10. Paras 11. Kevin bbcan10 12. Maggie B Tier 13. Drew 14. Jillian 15. Tychon 16. Steve 17. Jon 18. Xavier C Tier 19. Lisa 20. Boogie 21. Kaycee 22. Kevin 23. Rachel 24. Jordan 25. Sarah D Tier 26. Ian 27. Adam 28. Dick 29. Josh 30. Nick & Phil
I need to point out something important about Lisa. She became Marcellas's Final 2 by the end, I think he was even taking her over Amy. And he was weaponizing Marcellas to go after Jason/Danielle, but it didn't work since Jason won Final 5 HOH and while Lisa tried to probe him to put Jason or Danielle at Final 6, Marcellas didn't feel ready. So she wasn't just following Jason and Lisa, she had a strong alliance with Marcellas too. And of course her early game alliance with Chiarra/Roddy/Eric, even though that fizzled when dumb ass Chiara left Lisa/Eric on the block together for some inexplicable reason.
Could we see rankings of winners for survivor and big brother as players? I feel it would be interesting to see the difference it makes between the lists.
They're on their way. The Survivor one will have to wait until after Winners at War, but I will eventually do it. I already started doing the research for a Big Brother list and it is pretty different from the Winner Rankings here, but it'll be controversial anyway.
James likely would have voted for Ivette. He was bitter about how he was used within the Sovereign 6--even though he really did offer to sell out Howie and Rachel lol
The reason i like steve is that from a threat standpoint and how he managed his relationship with the jury he only had to vote out a single person and that was Vanessa
dr will is my fav player ever, his game play (being cocky and lying all the time) was just very interesting to watch and the fact that he was on the block 6 times and still won is crazy to me. he’s also lowkey hot😭🙏
Funny how you call Boogie making a "mistake" that led to Will going home, when Will going out at 4 was actually the only reason Boogie won the game. You neglect to point out Boogie wanted to go to F2 with Will (which is stupid) where he would have gotten destroyed either 6-1 or 7-0, depending if Erika votes him or not. That is the biggest reason to degrade Boogie. He literally wanted to to go a F2 he loses badly, and if he got his way that is what would happen, and it took a fluke to change that happening. If things went according to plan he is also in a F3 with Janelle and Will, where Janelle takes Will if she wins.
Finally somebody else agrees Dr Will is overrated. His game in all stars was soooo much better but in 2 he was kinda dead in the water for most of it. I think dominance is a good criteria for ranking which is why people like Nicole, Maggie and Andy dont get ranked high enough usually. If you rewatch their seasons they are never in danger at all of going home.
I have to agree so much with this. The biggest move Will made in BB2 was cutting Monica off at the Final 2. It’s such an underrated move. He wouldn’t of won against Monica so that seems like an easy vote. However, at the final 7 he did make a deal with Monica. Then slowly made her delusional. It’s such an underrated move.
He was “dead in water” for the early parts of (BB2) which even then is an invalid argument. His (BB2) winning game should be top (5) when you factor in all facets of everything. First real season of legitimate strategy taking place, the game was fundamentally more difficult to navigate because there wasn’t built in twist, etc to cater to ones game, the social component was immensely more prominent because that was all the game partook at that time, etc. Probably, has one of the weakest early games ever & is still able to socially integrate himself towards the mid to end game with the power players (Nicole/Hardy) He foresees them as the dominant players in competitions & is able to forge a tight connection with them & is able to actively sway them to make decisions that are out of their best interest. He LITERALLY was almost able to create a wedge in between them ffs. Not to mention, we dictate “jury management” as a major major major criteria to evaluate but we aren’t talking bout how good he handled the jury & crafting the logistics of his game in the diary room (knowing) the evicted HG would see that. He is able to constantly sway people into keeping him over others because “he can never win” in the end. Will literally was able to actively get Nicole to backstab her alliances. (Kent, Bunky, Monica) ie: the real people as they put it. I could go on & on.
I like how you rank these. Some people prefer to rank based on strategy, but I feel that dominance is more important. While Dan and Will are incredible strategic players, they didn't have as much control over the game as other winners. I'm curious, where would you place Dane from BB Can 7 on this list?
I have been re watching all seasons in the quarantine and just finished season 15, idk about the andy ranking, id put him about 10-7, maybe we can talk about some season and make another list for big brother, that would be cool, I got some good prespectives
Andy was incredibly underedited in BB15, so most of the casual audience is pretty oblivious to the fact that he really was pulling the strings of Mcrae and Amanda from the very start of the game. He was ALWAYS in control. Always. Its a similar problem that Maggie has in people's minds. The edited show didn't accurately show everything she was doing, so a ton of people still don't understand why the feeders consider her one of the show's best winners. Maggie's only flaw was jury management, and if she doesn't have that problem, there's a strong argument for her being the best winner of all time.
Ya I get that, even rewatching it you can see amanda knew she couldnt beat him, and they always needed his approval for everything too, I personally just wouldn't rank him that high, he did play winning game tho no denying that
@@pjcarrillo4756 I don't know, I agree a lot with the video in that, everyone below Hayden at least were at risk of going home at some point, but its incredibly difficult to even name a point where Hayden, Maggie, Andy, or Derrick could have even possibly gone home. For the four of them, the entire game was just an easy, straightforward march to victory. And I do think Andy should get some extra credit for being as in control as he was in a pretty damn competitive cast. Unlike say, season 16, the BB15 cast were not pushovers, many of them were playing hard, and Andy still easily destroyed all of them
I'd I feel like season 15 anyone could have one that season that is a current winner other then probably nicole from season 18, 15 wasnt a good big brother cast to me, good competitors on that season tho but they go home pretty early, idk I feel like on the double eviction andy could've went home instead of Elissa, McCrae just took Andy's side at the time, but after he even said he knew he shouldnt have done that, but idk its hard to compare winners honestly, theyve all won in there own way haha
Dr Will is the Richard Hatch of Big Brother..important to the franchise and iconic, but people need to get with the times and realize far better games have been played since then.
Dan and Ian are the best players in my opinion……roughest and most suspenseful final two in my opinion. Dan was the master mind, but Ian was unique cuz he was the first autistic winner and possibly first autistic player
Minus Dan Gheesling being 5th and Mike Boogie 6th and Will 12th this is not a controversial list. There are very few hot takes. Anybody that knows what they are talking about would put all of these players around where they are. Only people who watch the strictly show edit or have little strategic agency would have people like Nicole and Andy low and Dick and Rachel high. My personal list is very similar. Very well done.
Maggie was the first scary winner of the game. Like, scary good at how she was able to manipulate that house for her benefit. Well deserving of a top 3 spot.
@@mcgaming8982 Where's Vanessa and Tyler on that? And on top of that, I find Danielle's spot there questionable. Once she hit that final 3, after that awful move to take out Amy, she was drawing dead with absolutely zero chance of winning. Danielle's huge problem was that she never realized that Lisa was undercutting her (and to a lesser extent Jason) the entire game and because of that, she was viewed as evil by everyone. And its not just cause of the diary rooms. She was viewed as way too cutthroat and cruel by most of the house, and she willingly went to the end with 4 of the most likable people in the house. She's a great player, but her BB3 game is FLAWED
In my opinion, Josh played a better game then he gets credit for. He actively hid the fact he's a superfan to appear dumber and unassuming, and used that to destroy Pauls game. Instead of turning on Paul, he would blow him up because he knew he could beat him.
I would give him more credit if he took Christmas and cut Paul after winning final immunity. I have heard enough cast interviews to know Christmas was not a jury threat as some think. She might get 2 or 3 votes over Josh, but she most likely loses more easily than Paul lost to Josh. Yeah it was great to use his GB messages to undermine Paul, and he had Paul fooled he was less of a threat than Christmas (which wasn't true, although Paul probably loses to both), so Paul would have taken him to F2, but once he won final immunity he should have taken Christmas.
Dan was taking Ian. He’s even confirmed it after BB14 that he was going to blindside Danielle the exact same way he did to Shane if he won the Final hoh.
My Picks: 1. Derrick 2. Andy 3. Dan 4. Maggie 5. Hayden 6. Will 7. Nicole 8. Mike 9. Drew 10. Jun 11. Steve 12. Lisa 13. Ian 14. Kaycee 15. Adam 16. Rachel 17. Josh 18. Jordan 19. Dick
So let’s just say that Matt and Raven from s19 (who were coasters which means that they did nothing and did whatever Paul wanted) made it to the final three with Paul and it was Matt/Paul or Raven/Paul he would not vote for Paul because of the week he got the pendant of protection and he would say Matt and Raven win because they were never put on the block so he would vote for those two over Paul his judging is absolutely terrible. I mean they actually thought that they were masterminds along with Paul.
Hello, this is Konner four years later, I’ve greatly changed opinions on how he views the game, I think has some validity but I’d still disagree with him.
I disagree with a lot of your ranking but you articulated your points and your criteria very well. I also strongly agree that Steve doesn't get enough credit
rachelle would have voted for maggie over beau, ivette, jennifer, and april. Rachelle liked maggie and vice versa. howie could have likely voted the way rachelle wanted bc maggie was the nicest of the friendship to rachel.
My Ranking 21 Adam 20 Maggie 19 Josh 18 Andy 17 Lisa 16 Drew 15 Jun 14 Jordan 13 Steve 12 KC 11 Michie 10 Nicole 9 Dick 8 Mike Boogie 7 Rachel 6 Hayden 5 Ian 4 Cody 3 Derrick 2 Will 1 Dan
One thing I would mention about Andy is he was very benefited from Judd returning, as it allowed him to get rid of Amanda ahead of schedule, as Elissa flipping that around causes a 2-1 vote where Spenser goes home, and with McCrae winning the next HOH in the double, I think Amanda probably convinces him not to put up Elissa. I do think he's an amazing player though, and he still probably reaches the end anyways, and more than likely wins so long as he and whichever Exterminator survives win HOH at 5.
Ok but at the same time Maggie almost lost the game because she didn’t have enough comps because Janelle and beau bashed her at the jury round table and she won 4-3
Ivette absolutely does not beat Janelle if she votes Maggie out and takes Janelle. I don't know if she beats Janelle even if Janelle takes her, Janelle might win with Howie, Rachel, James, April even then, although James or April might give Ivette the win. If she betrays the Friendship alliance she probably loses 7-0 now, but no way she wins.
No ivette for sure wins the friendship hated janelle about 20x more than ivette and i feel like jsnelle could win in a 4-3 if she gets april howie rachel and james while ivette gets Beau jennifer maggie but I think james or april could flip cause April's alliance was voting ivette and james was betrayed by the sov six so I think ivette wins 5-2 or 4-3
My list from worst to best: Jordan Rachel Dick Josh Ian Lisa Kaycee Adam Drew Steve Jun Boogie Nicole Maggie Will Derrick Hayden Andy Dan I’m looking at their games from their winning seasons mostly, while slightly factoring in their other seasons if they played multiple times. Unlike this moron, absolute dictator control does NOT rule my rankings. I admire people that are able to get themselves out of tight situations when they’re forced into them, because a lot of the game is luck and you’re not always gonna be lucky enough to get a cast like BB16 or BB12. Control plays a part, but so do awareness of the house, adaptability/flexibility, strategic and social acumen, and slightly competition ability but not really. I think Will is good but very overrated, BB2 wasn’t that impressive to me and he got lucky a lot in all stars. Still very smart and capable, though, so he’s highly ranked. I don’t hate the rat floater strategy at all, I think it often works, so people like Andy and Nicole are ranked highly. Twists also negatively affect my rankings. The bottom 5 likely do not win without twists (the coup, pandora’s box and the battle back, america’s player, paul returning/the golden apple, and the pandora’s box extra veto.
What ppl forget since they easily overshadow BB9 is Adam (eventual winner of the season) and Sheila would easily be gone not week 1 but DAY 1 when Jen and Parker were the power couple and the only survived cuz of Jacob's infamously dumb mistake that he fully brought on himself and Sharon. If he kept his mouth shut and simply did nothing to rock the boat, Adam does not even get a chance to play the game
It's better than evel dick at least when it's all because of americas player he stays at points while at least it's only once adam was in danger but I absolutely see ur point
Nice video, although I am 2 years late, if you see this you gotta find the interview with BB14s top 3 post finale. Ian basically laid out his plan from the start, and although I will say Dan was the more deserving player that year, Ian played the game almost exactly how he had planed to, pretty much up until final 4
Jordan is super underrated in my book. Sure she could have been better at comps but she is the only player besides Jessie who got HOH more then once, even if it was basically given to her, there is a chance that jeff would get a lower score without throwing the golf hoh to her. Plus her and Jeff were a team. I think Jeff had game smarts and Jordan has social smarts The move they made with Russel together. If you wanna say that "Jeff carried her" sure but she still won without him! I liked her gameplay with laying low. Laying low is a good way to stay out of drama AND the block. I understand she played a bit boring, but i find that it is still respectable. If you wanna talk about boring gameplay then Maggie should be last. She didnt win ANY hoh's except for the random one in pre jury. In BB6 the jury was voting for Ivette to loose. Not for maggie to win.
Personal 21. Jordan 20. Rachel 19. Josh 18. Dick 17. Lisa 16. Kaycee 15. Nichole 14. Adam 13. Ian 12. Jun 11. Andy 10. Will 9. Boogie 8. Michie 7. Steve 6. Drew 5. Maggie 4. Hayden 3. Derrick 2. Dan 1. Cody
‘Talks about how Hayden didn’t do anything on his own’ ‘Proceeds to put him over dan who did everything himself and was so much better’ (Memphis didn’t do anything except what Dan told him to do)
Hayden was in less precarious positions and was in a controlling position for the entire game in comparison to Dan. Dan’s highs were higher than Hayden’s, but Hayden never had any huge flaws in his game and was the best socially of the brigade to where he wins in the most scenarios out of the bunch. It’s the not the flashiest game or the most fun game to watch, but it’s closer to optimal than Dan’s is.
First of all, there wasn't certainty Dick and Danielle were going to get along. Yeah america's player benefitted him, as it would've anyone who would've won that season. But the fact he got to the end with he style and approach and maliciousness he was playing with, alongside a person he was on bad terms with and won. That's not a bad win.
Really like this list but I do think dick was slightly a better winner then Jordan and also I think dan and Hayden should swap places. Other then that though this was a really good list and I love the fact that you don’t overrate Will like most people do.
Chances Azah takes 2nd to last place on this ranking in 2 weeks time? Xavier probably only goes right above Kaycee, maybe even lower tbh he was so out of the loop.
I think this is a solid list. I would just make two changes: swap Ian and Josh. I dont like the idea of winning out like Ian did, but i feel he was a bit more strategically inept and more influential in the season than Josh was. Plus, Ian is just a better player all around, so id put him one step higher. Second, swap Will and Nicole. Your reasonings for Will not being higher are justfied, but i feel you give Nicole WAY too much credit. When you say she ran the house, that wasnt until AFTER Paulie was evivted, and even then, i think she essentially played the poor man's version of Dan from BB10. Also, because her comp abilities are horrible, she got VERY lucky she wasnt cut at final 3 because Paul was a dumbass. Will wasnt in control of the season, sure, but id argue was he was more socially and strategically aware of his positioning in the house once his alliance left, so he rules upward for me.
Mine 20 Adam 19 Andy 18 Josh 17 Lisa 16 Maggie 15 Jun 14 Michie 13 Drew 12 Steve 11 Kaycee 10 Jordan 9 Nicole 8 Hayden 7 Rachel 6 Mike Boogie 5 Dick 4 Ian 3 Derrick 2 Dan 1 Will
Dick at 5 rachel at 7 ian at 4 I don't think so dick should have lost but stupid americas player caused him to stay which is in my opinion the biggest knock for any winner like he sucks he even wanted to go home at 8 but is saved because of a twist which is awful rachel is rachel watch is winner rankings as players and ian was clueless thinking he was safe when he wasn't and he joined the quack pack which was an already formed alliance which he just joined so I respect the opinions but I disagree
Now I know you didn’t just put josh over Ian
Right?! Ian was a great player and absolutely deserved a higher spot
Mason I know he knew he wins against dan in the end it’s not like Ian was a mindless sheep like josh
Aidan Devine Exactly!
@@aidandevine8981 Let's add Ian played with a huge disadvantage that he is autistic, which we know this now in hindsight as he reveled it this season but TBH as an autistic person myself it was obvious... and I was like 14 at the time lol. (Please note I am not saying to sympathize with autistic people automatically or trying to disrespect them. Just saying that in a social game like Big Brother, having a disorder that screws your ability to do things like read people's faces, a room, etc. can screw you entirely. Obviously autism is also a spectrum so it affects others differently but we clearly see Ian's place on the spectrum involves social skills.)
@@glassestarzan8702 So? That doesn’t make him a better winner
I agree with what you said about Tyler. The fact that he lost to Kaycee is STILL infuriating. KC's so forgettable that my parents don't even remember who won BB20 lol. Unlike Paul's loss, the jury had no justified reason to be so damn bitter. Tyler would easily be a top 3 winner....ugh
Ken i dont think its fair to say bb20’s jury was bitter. They just simply liked KC more than Tyler. You cant expect people to not vote to give some one they like on a personal level money
Agree. But tbh it’s not bitterness. The jury clearly wanted an under dog to win so.
Kaycee > Tyler. Tyler is a pos.
Sam was the only one who was bitter
Cam The Man I agree with that. Like Dan evicted Shane in 14 because he was a likeable comp beast and Dan understood that those types are often liked by the jury. Shane was basically the Kaycee and Tyler failed to take her out when he could have. Dan understood the jury and that oftentimes they vote for who they like more rather than strategic gameplay which Tyler did not take into account. Kaycee was likeable and had enough on her resume to be deemed a respectable winner. Was she a better player than Tyler? Absolutely not. But I can see why the jury would vote for her
This list is a joke, I’m sorry. It’s just bad in my opinion 😂
This is based on winning game, not as players
Could you elaborate on why?
@@williamiceman9939 for example, Dick donate is a really good player, definitely top 20. But his winning game was horrible. He literally goes home final 9, if it wasn’t for Eric being a twist and not being able to play his own game.
@@andreisverysus3109 sorry, I was commenting on OP, not you. But I agree with you
Also, I think you gotta give Dr. Will's season 2 win more credit--he won when there was no PoV.
But if he was in a season with PoV, he almost 100% goes home at final 4. He needed the PoV not to exist to win that season (Ironically, the reason he goes home in Season 7 is 'cause of a PoV at final 4). Hardy and Nicole were both great at comps and would easily destroy Will and Monica in whatever the veto would be, 'cause neither Will nor Monica were good at comps, and Monica only won the final 4 HOH because Will accidentally got Nicole to throw it (By moving the sheet, he accidentally caused her to leave the comp, then threw it to Monica)
Eh, not necessarily. He was already crafting a wedge in between Nicole/Hardy in case he got stuck in that scenario. Do I think he goes toe to toe with them & is able to beat them if that was to play out? Probably not. But remember the comps in (BB2) were all crapshoot & not skill based. He already was able to actively get Nicole to backstab all her allies (the real people) Monica, Bunky, Kent, Krista, etc. whether he is able to get her to go against hardy is a different story but definitely possible. She had no winning route (0 winning equity) & her only probable chance of winning was against Will. I think he would of spearheaded that into her head.
Air tempest well he probably plays differently if there is a veto
ok?? someone had to win the season
JkapJames ok?? I still think it’s one of the better wins.
I think the problem is you're ranking the winners via dominance. While manipulation doesn't count (well u put Andy in top 3 somehow but other manipulative players fall below 8th place) and ofc dan @5
? Manipulation = Dominance tho?
Gabriel Camilleri Completely agree dominance is one topic and there are other topics like Dr Will did great for his win since he was completely solo and Dan’s game in BB10 were his game was great
i feel that a single game is better with more dominance, as its something players strive for in the game, and a lack of that makes one have a less solid game than someone who was a dominant player
Season 10 is hands down the best season of Big Brother. Who's with me?
i agree, such an entertaining cast.
Heather Ryan completely agree. Great cast no duds .
Agree so much.
Absolutely 100% agree!! It also had the best, most memorable and hilarious fights and old man Jerry's golden one-liners....."You'll always be Judas to me"
I agree.
You put too much emphasis on how much control the winners had, and that to me kinda undermines the winners, because, like you said, some players gameplay relied on having less control than others.
Josh was literally the goat to take to the end from day 1. That never changed. To me he should be last on this. He was chaos always, a bully, and emotional. I think he would have lost to literally every other player except the girl who left the game right away, and had Paul burned one less player he too would have won.
Yes exactly. All he did was cry and the jury was just salty about Paul. His account is private on Instagram probably because he gets to much hate
He beats Raven and Matt Clines for sure. Probably in a sweep. He might beat Christmas too, although that is close.
Raven was the goat. I don't know why Paul eliminated her so early.
@@devin9469in that case i dont think josh deserved the hate despite a below average game
If Paul and Tyler won They’d be top three
Tyler might Paul wouldnt
@@girardgeraldson8253 paul wouldnt how?
Tyler maybe, Paul it depends on which season. Season 19 I think the cast and the circumstances would push it down just out of top 3 (keep in mind I fuckin hate Paul, but I'm not being biased here at all. There are plenty of people who will tell you Paul deserved to lose to Josh and I'm not doing that lol)
If Paul won BB18 he would probably be ranked where Nicole is ranked at best since his game wasn't any better than Nicole's. BB19 who knows. By dominance top 3 if he won, but it was a rigged season with the worst cast ever.
Everytime you rank something like this I ask myself did he see what I saw? Am I just losing it? Look I agree Andy and Maggie are right up there probably #4 and #5 but they do not surpass Dan. Once again I have to rule against your dominance ranking x.x Because I do not believe despite America's Player that Dick is worst than Rachel and Jordan
The only thing he cares about is the amount of control!
The whole “control” thing is absolutely annoying. Control, a lot of times, is dependent more on the cast rather than the winner. Boston Rob had so much control on his season of survivor because the cast was dumb as hell, not because he was some amazing cult leader. He would’ve never been able to do something like that in a season like David vs. Goliath.
People like Derrick are the same way. He had control because almost all of the cast was absolute garbage at the game, except maybe Frankie, Donny, and kind of Cody but he was too naive not to trust Derrick. Derrick never would’ve been able to do that in a cast from BB10 or even BB15.
Tbh the bottom 3 dont really matter at all. They all can be placed in any order. I would put Jordan the highest though just because being a really nice person actually does put you at a great advantage in the game (as much as I hate to admit it)
Honey. This guy has been watching big brother since BB5. You probably been watching it since BB17
TheMurrmursonbottle No it’s not it’s logic-
Some people hating when he legit said this isn't about how they played as players but how their winning games went and how in control of it was! This was a good list
Right? Finally someone who isn’t completely hating this. Even if you don’t agree, it’s his opinion!
@@williamiceman9939 And if people disagree it's also their opinion, everyone can have an opinion.
Can’t trust this list u got Andy at #2. He did nothing the whole season
What I'm saying
Not sure you watched the season
Aligned himself with the strongest showmance in the House and could’ve went home at 6th place instead of the Elissa by successfully convincing McCrae that she voted Amanda out and was smooth sailing from there. He’s number 4 in my list behind the big 3 (Will, Dan, and Derrick).
Ethan Uy I understand that but I can name 10 winners who game were stronger. He basically played slow and just got to the end because there were bigger threats. Plus the season wasn’t good at all so that makes his winning status go down. Derrick, Dan, Will, & Even Jackson game was better
Tony Barnes season was horrible but I barely made it through
Ian literally pulled the Boogie move over WEEKS of playing double agent. That shows so much social ability and such a good poker face. It was the right time because he was always in danger of getting found out
u should rank the runner ups
Now that’s a good one!
So, one year later, where would you put Michie? I assume you know what he’s said with his alliance, so with that in mind where would you put him?
Dick is a top ten player all time, he pulled himself out of so many situations
I agree. That twist was a part of the game that benefited or affected more players than just dick. To discount dicks game just because of the twist and Dani being another vote for him isn't right. Each season has twists that make huge impacts on the game. Americas player was extremely influential in that season more than many other season twists, but the donato's gameplay is still impressive as they made it to final 2 and won many comps when they needed to and they dominated that season.
@@mmelon2863 The reason that he’s so low is because he was just so directly saved by a twist. If it wasn’t for the America’s Player twist, he 100% goes home.
Tony Barnes yeah i get it but ever heard of an opinion?
This is the problem with people thoughts on Vanessa too. They credit them for getting out of situations that they got themselves into. Dan Derrick Tyler and Hayden don’t rly have that problem
@@jaredfreeley8283 I think Dan did often in season 14
Complete control of the game and all the players in it from start to finish is an overall losing strategy in big brother, it's ridiculous to rank the winners that way
I think a lot of Derrick's win is a result of the other players not being very good. This season had a lot of floaters and a lot of big personalities.
Pretty annoyed Derrick didn't make All Stars this year, because I'd love to see how he handles other strategic threats.
He'll play again for sure someday
I freaking love your big brother and survivor videos!! And I always look forward to them every time!
Same
SlitheringSnake Legend136 me too !!
Out of curiosity, what score would you give Jackson Michie?
Watch his bb21 review he states it towards the end of that video
Will’s win is so underrated because of his sheer dominance in all stars. Realistically he played perfectly and did everything needed to do to win. He took risks and was flashy and even with the worst final speech of all time he still won it really goes to show the greatness of his manipulation.
Overrated*
The one thing that makes me mad about your rankings is what you think about competitions I mean strategy isn’t everything but neither is a physical game. I think you also underrate a social game but, I do respect your opinion.
Thank you for not letting personal biases influence your spot on list. This is a list on best winning strategy and gameplay, not favorite/best player. Enjoyed this video.
Thank you for the video. It was enjoyable
Would you do a runners up ranking like you just did for Survivor
Lisa is so underrated. Everybody calls her a floater since she won against Danielle. Lisa did a lot of good things.
She convinced everybody to vote Amy back in, She came up with using sign language to communicate with Danielle, She convinced Danielle to cut Amy off, She turned down the 5000 which won her the game. The 5000 move is so underrated tbh.
Dan and Tyler (who won in my mind ) are the best ever. Always had control
Tbr Dan did not always have control but he still is the best overall player no doubt
Where would you put Jackson/Micky
Why is bb1 not on here again?
Because people just sat in a house and waited on America to decide which of the two nominees goes home each week.
Where do you go back to watch the prior seasons?
CBS all access
Is what I use
you should do a non-winner dominance ranking, to see people like Amanda Z, Danielle Reyes, Janelle, Vanessa, Paul, Tyler
what did janelle dominate? maybe comps but thats only it.
@@xakdish4169 she was a dominant force in season 7 (all stars), she was a main leader of the sovering six alliance who dominated the first 4 weeks of the game, and then during 7 evitions she was either the HOH of the POV holder winning 4 and 5 consequently (which is still the record in a single season 14 seasons later), by winning her last POV she evicted Dr. Will by herself. is she the best houseguest? no, but dominant? yeees, there a not a lot of players who can say they got to the final 3 twice, or got themselves being on of the biggest target in the game from the get-go and then win competitions all the way to the final 3, like she did, she holds the record for most competitions in a single season as i already mention, and most overall competitions for a female houseguest with 6 HOH`s, 7 POV´s, and 2 Coaches Comp. she has the record for a most days inside the big brother house for a female houseguest with 177. you may not like her, but she is indeed a great player, did i mention dominant? yeah, and a very dominant one.
@@johanhoyos2318 ok u just proved to me that she is only dominant when it comes to comps but when it comes to strategy she sucks. During season 7 chill town literraly ran circles around her and the sov 6 alliance. The reason why she evicted Will in the final 4 was because Erica convinced her to do it not cause she wanted to do it. Her hohs were not impressive because she evicted weak players. I mean come on Will convinced her to put Marcellas (who was one of her allies) on the block and she did which then resulted for her loosing a number. Janelle is good at one thing and that's winning comps but she sucks at strategy.
@@xakdish4169 i never said she was good at strategy, she is not the houseguest that comes to mind when someone says "mastermind" or "puppet master", the discussion is about being dominant. although bb is a social experiment where total strangers get in a house to live together and evict each other, how can you evict a hg who is constantly HoH and everytime gets nominated (4 times) wins the POV? what i am saying is: Janelle is not a mastermind or strategist by any means, but when you take a look at her game in bb7 she was the most dominant hg, everyone saw how threatening she was by her challenge wins with 4 hoh and 5 vetos total, every single week she was in the hot seat managing to keep herself out of the block. just open the next link and watch from minute 3 to 6, how every one in the house recognised her as a challenge beast as she won her 3rd Hoh in week 6, it was her 5th comp at the moment:
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and watch this one from minute 2 to 4 and see how many comps she won:
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in my original comment i manifested that he should do a video about dominant hg who never won, Janelle should be there just by her comp wins, she still has the record for most HoH and PoV in a single season with 4 and 5, and that is to be dominant as far as competitions count.
Johan Hoyos I think it’s because all the other hg’s you listed dominated the game strategically (which is way more important than comp wins) so Janelle seems really out of place bc she was never a “mastermind” or anything like the other players you listed
I love your videos and I’ve been binging them so much! But I also don’t like the ranking them on control when some of the winners game is literally giving up control to win. It just leaves me thinking how this list would be if it was ranked differently.
Need to update this with Jackson and Cody.
Dan wasn’t gonna take him to the finals, He Was gonna take Danielle Murphree.
No he confirmed in interviews right after that he would’ve taken Ian
Yup
Nicole Franzel higher than Dr. Will. This list is a joke 😂
He’s ranking their winning games not them as players
Will is the worst winner. No physical game, no social game, and his strategic game is mediocre at best and flat-out trash at worst.
@@CharlotteBrearleybro he’s the best winner of all time retarted bitch
Derrick is easily first Completely dominated his season
His cast was the Complete dumbest
@@abookamongsthemanypj7140 Definitely not the dumbest ever, and even if it was, he still dominated
Have you changed how you view this stuff yet or nah?
I hate how you say “if this didn’t happen..” but it DID happen. Why can’t you rank them based on how the season played out vs how it could’ve played out? At that point you’re just ranking them based on how you wanted the season to play out not how it actually did
Maggie dominated BB6.
Yep. One of the best winners to play the game
100% Agree with Maggie. She dictated her alliance. She got Howie to nominate two of his allies. She didn’t even have to win competitions to be safe.
why is Josh not dead last
Watch ethanimale how josh won bb 19 you'll see y
Will at #12 is a horrible ranking. Especialy with Boogie at #6. Boogie only won All Stars due to Will and being dragged by him.
He’s ranking the individual games bozo watch the video
@@voodoomcspaghettipants4082 Yeah and Will's winning game was still better than Boogie's bozo (are you Boogie, wouldn't surprise me given how coocoo he has gone). Boogie wanted to to lose All Stars Will. He activiely was playing to lose the game. That is not a better winning than someone who despite limited power was actively playing to win (Will on BB2).
@@robdurdain5912 I agree that the fact that boogie was playing a losing game on all stars is a huge knock against him. That’s not up for question. Despite that, he still was in a much better position for the entirety of the game than will was in s2. Will and Boogie were in complete control for a lot of all stars, and if will beat boogie at the end, wills all stars winning game would be very high on the list. Boogie played a similar game but had a harder path to a win, so he’s lower. The intended game path isn’t the end all be all of the ranking
Plus like he said boogie led will in the right direction at points like not being on the block at 8 when he volunteered and boogie had to correct that and they were splitting the money so it doesn't matter but ik that isn't as fun
Winning game ranks
S Tier
1. Dan
2. Andy
3. Cody
4. Derrick
5. Jun
6. Dane
A. Tier
7. Nicole
8. Will
9.Hayden
10. Paras
11. Kevin bbcan10
12. Maggie
B Tier
13. Drew
14. Jillian
15. Tychon
16. Steve
17. Jon
18. Xavier
C Tier
19. Lisa
20. Boogie
21. Kaycee
22. Kevin
23. Rachel
24. Jordan
25. Sarah
D Tier
26. Ian
27. Adam
28. Dick
29. Josh
30. Nick & Phil
My 1 big thing is if jillian had won fairly I would agree with ur ranking but she should have lost but I respect it
@@TripleBBBBB i honestly have changed a lot of my rankings lol since this was posted.
@@TripleBBBBB i edited my rankings. So you can look again
Dr. Will easily Top 4 then how come you ranked him 5th
I need to point out something important about Lisa. She became Marcellas's Final 2 by the end, I think he was even taking her over Amy. And he was weaponizing Marcellas to go after Jason/Danielle, but it didn't work since Jason won Final 5 HOH and while Lisa tried to probe him to put Jason or Danielle at Final 6, Marcellas didn't feel ready. So she wasn't just following Jason and Lisa, she had a strong alliance with Marcellas too. And of course her early game alliance with Chiarra/Roddy/Eric, even though that fizzled when dumb ass Chiara left Lisa/Eric on the block together for some inexplicable reason.
Could we see rankings of winners for survivor and big brother as players? I feel it would be interesting to see the difference it makes between the lists.
They're on their way. The Survivor one will have to wait until after Winners at War, but I will eventually do it. I already started doing the research for a Big Brother list and it is pretty different from the Winner Rankings here, but it'll be controversial anyway.
TheMeranianReview I’m surprised you replied. Excited to see it!
26:47 Ivette would not win against Janelle, Janelle would have Howie, James, Rachel, and April whereas Ivette would have Beau, Maggie, and Jennifer.
RJay Ferrari April and Ivette really got into it at the end plus James and Jani were closer
James likely would have voted for Ivette. He was bitter about how he was used within the Sovereign 6--even though he really did offer to sell out Howie and Rachel lol
Charles Switzer no, he said on his reddit ama that he would vote for Jani
In season 15, Aaryn wasn't the only person to vote for GinaMarie. Judd also voted for her.
Judd was bitter at Spencer/Andy.
He literally says that. At 28:21
The reason i like steve is that from a threat standpoint and how he managed his relationship with the jury he only had to vote out a single person and that was Vanessa
dr will is my fav player ever, his game play (being cocky and lying all the time) was just very interesting to watch and the fact that he was on the block 6 times and still won is crazy to me. he’s also lowkey hot😭🙏
Funny how you call Boogie making a "mistake" that led to Will going home, when Will going out at 4 was actually the only reason Boogie won the game. You neglect to point out Boogie wanted to go to F2 with Will (which is stupid) where he would have gotten destroyed either 6-1 or 7-0, depending if Erika votes him or not. That is the biggest reason to degrade Boogie. He literally wanted to to go a F2 he loses badly, and if he got his way that is what would happen, and it took a fluke to change that happening. If things went according to plan he is also in a F3 with Janelle and Will, where Janelle takes Will if she wins.
It's a mistake cause boogie wanted to take will to then end cause they were splitting the prize
Now based on their og seasons, fair, Dr Wills Season 2 game isn’t that impressive but his All Stars game is a masterclass
Also for another video I would love to see your personal 10 favorite players!
Finally somebody else agrees Dr Will is overrated. His game in all stars was soooo much better but in 2 he was kinda dead in the water for most of it. I think dominance is a good criteria for ranking which is why people like Nicole, Maggie and Andy dont get ranked high enough usually. If you rewatch their seasons they are never in danger at all of going home.
I have to agree so much with this. The biggest move Will made in BB2 was cutting Monica off at the Final 2. It’s such an underrated move. He wouldn’t of won against Monica so that seems like an easy vote. However, at the final 7 he did make a deal with Monica. Then slowly made her delusional. It’s such an underrated move.
He was “dead in water” for the early parts of (BB2) which even then is an invalid argument. His (BB2) winning game should be top (5) when you factor in all facets of everything. First real season of legitimate strategy taking place, the game was fundamentally more difficult to navigate because there wasn’t built in twist, etc to cater to ones game, the social component was immensely more prominent because that was all the game partook at that time, etc. Probably, has one of the weakest early games ever & is still able to socially integrate himself towards the mid to end game with the power players (Nicole/Hardy) He foresees them as the dominant players in competitions & is able to forge a tight connection with them & is able to actively sway them to make decisions that are out of their best interest. He LITERALLY was almost able to create a wedge in between them ffs. Not to mention, we dictate “jury management” as a major major major criteria to evaluate but we aren’t talking bout how good he handled the jury & crafting the logistics of his game in the diary room (knowing) the evicted HG would see that. He is able to constantly sway people into keeping him over others because “he can never win” in the end. Will literally was able to actively get Nicole to backstab her alliances. (Kent, Bunky, Monica) ie: the real people as they put it. I could go on & on.
Andy was in very big danger of going home... Dr Will is probably slightly overrated but Dan is 100% number 1
I know you didn’t put Adam over Will.
I like how you rank these. Some people prefer to rank based on strategy, but I feel that dominance is more important. While Dan and Will are incredible strategic players, they didn't have as much control over the game as other winners.
I'm curious, where would you place Dane from BB Can 7 on this list?
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Wypsotor Nyloff Toadally Awesome
Jordan and Josh both didnt deserve their wins imo
JkapJames nether did kayce
Jacko Shmako11 kaycee at least played a good game. tyler did better but atleast she wasnt a bad player like josh and jordan
JkapJames ya she wasn’t a bad player at all she was decent but Tyler played a better game a very dominant one in fact
Jacko Shmako11 yeah tyler 100% shoulda won
Top 10 worst bb winners
10.josh
9.josh
8.josh
7.josh
6.josh
5.josh
4.josh
3.josh
2.josh
1.josh
You should do a combined BB & Survivor winners rankings!
That would have been like 2 hour video
@@adaboss4529 id watch it lol
I have been re watching all seasons in the quarantine and just finished season 15, idk about the andy ranking, id put him about 10-7, maybe we can talk about some season and make another list for big brother, that would be cool, I got some good prespectives
I think he should be higher but only around 6-5
Andy was incredibly underedited in BB15, so most of the casual audience is pretty oblivious to the fact that he really was pulling the strings of Mcrae and Amanda from the very start of the game. He was ALWAYS in control. Always. Its a similar problem that Maggie has in people's minds. The edited show didn't accurately show everything she was doing, so a ton of people still don't understand why the feeders consider her one of the show's best winners. Maggie's only flaw was jury management, and if she doesn't have that problem, there's a strong argument for her being the best winner of all time.
Ya I get that, even rewatching it you can see amanda knew she couldnt beat him, and they always needed his approval for everything too, I personally just wouldn't rank him that high, he did play winning game tho no denying that
@@pjcarrillo4756 I don't know, I agree a lot with the video in that, everyone below Hayden at least were at risk of going home at some point, but its incredibly difficult to even name a point where Hayden, Maggie, Andy, or Derrick could have even possibly gone home. For the four of them, the entire game was just an easy, straightforward march to victory. And I do think Andy should get some extra credit for being as in control as he was in a pretty damn competitive cast. Unlike say, season 16, the BB15 cast were not pushovers, many of them were playing hard, and Andy still easily destroyed all of them
I'd I feel like season 15 anyone could have one that season that is a current winner other then probably nicole from season 18, 15 wasnt a good big brother cast to me, good competitors on that season tho but they go home pretty early, idk I feel like on the double eviction andy could've went home instead of Elissa, McCrae just took Andy's side at the time, but after he even said he knew he shouldnt have done that, but idk its hard to compare winners honestly, theyve all won in there own way haha
Rachel was a comp beast, she should at least be top 10
There’s way more to big brother than just comps
@@BC-fx2yt what you said
Dr Will is the Richard Hatch of Big Brother..important to the franchise and iconic, but people need to get with the times and realize far better games have been played since then.
Aidan Brazill Agreed.
thank you. this is so correct. there are many winners that played far more better than will.
Dan and Ian are the best players in my opinion……roughest and most suspenseful final two in my opinion. Dan was the master mind, but Ian was unique cuz he was the first autistic winner and possibly first autistic player
#1: Will- 2
#2: Dan- 10
#3: Derrick- 16
#4: Andy- 15
#5: Maggie- 6
#6: Hayden- 12
#7: Jun- 4
#8: Mike- 7
#9: Steve- 17
#10: Nicole- 18
#11: Adam- 9
#12: Drew- 5
#13: Jackson- 21
#14: Lisa- 3
#15: Kaycee- 20
#16: Morgan- OTT
#17: Ian- 14
#18: Jordan- 11
#19: Josh- 19
#20: Dick- 8
#21: Rachel- 13
As players yes As Winners no Will Is way too high
I would switch Ian and Jackson and that be my list!
Lmfao
Rachel last? 🤡
I feel you should do
What if the Final HOH winner took the other person to the final 2
Minus Dan Gheesling being 5th and Mike Boogie 6th and Will 12th this is not a controversial list. There are very few hot takes. Anybody that knows what they are talking about would put all of these players around where they are. Only people who watch the strictly show edit or have little strategic agency would have people like Nicole and Andy low and Dick and Rachel high. My personal list is very similar. Very well done.
Maggie was the first scary winner of the game. Like, scary good at how she was able to manipulate that house for her benefit. Well deserving of a top 3 spot.
Ian has one of the best stories but yeah I agree he shouldn't be regarded highly for his gameplay he had to escape eviction at least 3 times
Best single season performances without a win!
Dan BB14, Danielle BB3, Paul BB19, Will BB7,
MC Gaming Tyler BB 20 although I don’t think Kaycee is a bad winner!
@@mcgaming8982 Where's Vanessa and Tyler on that? And on top of that, I find Danielle's spot there questionable. Once she hit that final 3, after that awful move to take out Amy, she was drawing dead with absolutely zero chance of winning. Danielle's huge problem was that she never realized that Lisa was undercutting her (and to a lesser extent Jason) the entire game and because of that, she was viewed as evil by everyone. And its not just cause of the diary rooms. She was viewed as way too cutthroat and cruel by most of the house, and she willingly went to the end with 4 of the most likable people in the house. She's a great player, but her BB3 game is FLAWED
Brian Regan I forgot Vanessa and Tyler although Danielle made that mistake Ik the final four all these players made flawed mistakes in their run
In my opinion, Josh played a better game then he gets credit for. He actively hid the fact he's a superfan to appear dumber and unassuming, and used that to destroy Pauls game. Instead of turning on Paul, he would blow him up because he knew he could beat him.
I would give him more credit if he took Christmas and cut Paul after winning final immunity. I have heard enough cast interviews to know Christmas was not a jury threat as some think. She might get 2 or 3 votes over Josh, but she most likely loses more easily than Paul lost to Josh. Yeah it was great to use his GB messages to undermine Paul, and he had Paul fooled he was less of a threat than Christmas (which wasn't true, although Paul probably loses to both), so Paul would have taken him to F2, but once he won final immunity he should have taken Christmas.
WHEN U WERE TALKING ABOUT IAN,,, DAN WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN IAN INSTEAD OF DANIELLE WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT
Dan was taking Ian. He’s even confirmed it after BB14 that he was going to blindside Danielle the exact same way he did to Shane if he won the Final hoh.
My Picks:
1. Derrick
2. Andy
3. Dan
4. Maggie
5. Hayden
6. Will
7. Nicole
8. Mike
9. Drew
10. Jun
11. Steve
12. Lisa
13. Ian
14. Kaycee
15. Adam
16. Rachel
17. Josh
18. Jordan
19. Dick
Please move Andy please please please!!!
So let’s just say that Matt and Raven from s19 (who were coasters which means that they did nothing and did whatever Paul wanted) made it to the final three with Paul and it was Matt/Paul or Raven/Paul he would not vote for Paul because of the week he got the pendant of protection and he would say Matt and Raven win because they were never put on the block so he would vote for those two over Paul his judging is absolutely terrible. I mean they actually thought that they were masterminds along with Paul.
Well he though Paul wasn’t going home anyway even without the pendent watch his who I would vote for big brother edition video.
Hello, this is Konner four years later, I’ve greatly changed opinions on how he views the game, I think has some validity but I’d still disagree with him.
I disagree with a lot of your ranking but you articulated your points and your criteria very well. I also strongly agree that Steve doesn't get enough credit
rachelle would have voted for maggie over beau, ivette, jennifer, and april. Rachelle liked maggie and vice versa. howie could have likely voted the way rachelle wanted bc maggie was the nicest of the friendship to rachel.
Does anyone else see what I see or don't see
Easily one of the worst list ever, horrible opinions overall
Examples?
@@TripleBBBBB this clown has Andy second over some of the biggest legends ever
It's not about players just their winning game also andy top 5 player of all time
Omg Nicole is way better than Maggie
I'm really upset Tyler lost. He had so much control. The Jury had no right to be bitter.
My Ranking
21 Adam
20 Maggie
19 Josh
18 Andy
17 Lisa
16 Drew
15 Jun
14 Jordan
13 Steve
12 KC
11 Michie
10 Nicole
9 Dick
8 Mike Boogie
7 Rachel
6 Hayden
5 Ian
4 Cody
3 Derrick
2 Will
1 Dan
One thing I would mention about Andy is he was very benefited from Judd returning, as it allowed him to get rid of Amanda ahead of schedule, as Elissa flipping that around causes a 2-1 vote where Spenser goes home, and with McCrae winning the next HOH in the double, I think Amanda probably convinces him not to put up Elissa.
I do think he's an amazing player though, and he still probably reaches the end anyways, and more than likely wins so long as he and whichever Exterminator survives win HOH at 5.
No way you put Josh over Ian.
Ok but at the same time Maggie almost lost the game because she didn’t have enough comps because Janelle and beau bashed her at the jury round table and she won 4-3
Ivette absolutely does not beat Janelle if she votes Maggie out and takes Janelle. I don't know if she beats Janelle even if Janelle takes her, Janelle might win with Howie, Rachel, James, April even then, although James or April might give Ivette the win. If she betrays the Friendship alliance she probably loses 7-0 now, but no way she wins.
No ivette for sure wins the friendship hated janelle about 20x more than ivette and i feel like jsnelle could win in a 4-3 if she gets april howie rachel and james while ivette gets Beau jennifer maggie but I think james or april could flip cause April's alliance was voting ivette and james was betrayed by the sov six so I think ivette wins 5-2 or 4-3
I enjoyed your rankings. I loved hearing your logic behind your rankings.
Finally somebody who isn’t a hater :)
@@Ryan12334 yes
My list from worst to best:
Jordan
Rachel
Dick
Josh
Ian
Lisa
Kaycee
Adam
Drew
Steve
Jun
Boogie
Nicole
Maggie
Will
Derrick
Hayden
Andy
Dan
I’m looking at their games from their winning seasons mostly, while slightly factoring in their other seasons if they played multiple times. Unlike this moron, absolute dictator control does NOT rule my rankings. I admire people that are able to get themselves out of tight situations when they’re forced into them, because a lot of the game is luck and you’re not always gonna be lucky enough to get a cast like BB16 or BB12. Control plays a part, but so do awareness of the house, adaptability/flexibility, strategic and social acumen, and slightly competition ability but not really.
I think Will is good but very overrated, BB2 wasn’t that impressive to me and he got lucky a lot in all stars. Still very smart and capable, though, so he’s highly ranked.
I don’t hate the rat floater strategy at all, I think it often works, so people like Andy and Nicole are ranked highly.
Twists also negatively affect my rankings. The bottom 5 likely do not win without twists (the coup, pandora’s box and the battle back, america’s player, paul returning/the golden apple, and the pandora’s box extra veto.
1 Dan
2 Derrick
3 Will
I agree with Dan being 1, but Andy is overrated to me
What ppl forget since they easily overshadow BB9 is Adam (eventual winner of the season) and Sheila would easily be gone not week 1 but DAY 1 when Jen and Parker were the power couple and the only survived cuz of Jacob's infamously dumb mistake that he fully brought on himself and Sharon. If he kept his mouth shut and simply did nothing to rock the boat, Adam does not even get a chance to play the game
It's better than evel dick at least when it's all because of americas player he stays at points while at least it's only once adam was in danger but I absolutely see ur point
Will played a wayy better winning game on All stars, but unfortunately Erika existed
Chilltowns diary room in BB7 gave me chuckles
MC Gaming I’m like 90% sure Will threw BB7 to Mike Boogie
Nice video, although I am 2 years late, if you see this you gotta find the interview with BB14s top 3 post finale.
Ian basically laid out his plan from the start, and although I will say Dan was the more deserving player that year, Ian played the game almost exactly how he had planed to, pretty much up until final 4
And final 6 he had no idea he would have gone home
Dan is the Tony of big brother best ever
What this guy said
i liked this video but i really think it would better if you ranked them by gameplay
Jordan is super underrated in my book. Sure she could have been better at comps but she is the only player besides Jessie who got HOH more then once, even if it was basically given to her, there is a chance that jeff would get a lower score without throwing the golf hoh to her. Plus her and Jeff were a team. I think Jeff had game smarts and Jordan has social smarts The move they made with Russel together. If you wanna say that "Jeff carried her" sure but she still won without him! I liked her gameplay with laying low. Laying low is a good way to stay out of drama AND the block. I understand she played a bit boring, but i find that it is still respectable. If you wanna talk about boring gameplay then Maggie should be last. She didnt win ANY hoh's except for the random one in pre jury. In BB6 the jury was voting for Ivette to loose. Not for maggie to win.
Personal
21. Jordan
20. Rachel
19. Josh
18. Dick
17. Lisa
16. Kaycee
15. Nichole
14. Adam
13. Ian
12. Jun
11. Andy
10. Will
9. Boogie
8. Michie
7. Steve
6. Drew
5. Maggie
4. Hayden
3. Derrick
2. Dan
1. Cody
‘Talks about how Hayden didn’t do anything on his own’
‘Proceeds to put him over dan who did everything himself and was so much better’
(Memphis didn’t do anything except what Dan told him to do)
Hayden was in less precarious positions and was in a controlling position for the entire game in comparison to Dan. Dan’s highs were higher than Hayden’s, but Hayden never had any huge flaws in his game and was the best socially of the brigade to where he wins in the most scenarios out of the bunch. It’s the not the flashiest game or the most fun game to watch, but it’s closer to optimal than Dan’s is.
First of all, there wasn't certainty Dick and Danielle were going to get along. Yeah america's player benefitted him, as it would've anyone who would've won that season. But the fact he got to the end with he style and approach and maliciousness he was playing with, alongside a person he was on bad terms with and won. That's not a bad win.
Really like this list but I do think dick was slightly a better winner then Jordan and also I think dan and Hayden should swap places. Other then that though this was a really good list and I love the fact that you don’t overrate Will like most people do.
Chances Azah takes 2nd to last place on this ranking in 2 weeks time? Xavier probably only goes right above Kaycee, maybe even lower tbh he was so out of the loop.
I think this is a solid list. I would just make two changes: swap Ian and Josh. I dont like the idea of winning out like Ian did, but i feel he was a bit more strategically inept and more influential in the season than Josh was. Plus, Ian is just a better player all around, so id put him one step higher.
Second, swap Will and Nicole. Your reasonings for Will not being higher are justfied, but i feel you give Nicole WAY too much credit. When you say she ran the house, that wasnt until AFTER Paulie was evivted, and even then, i think she essentially played the poor man's version of Dan from BB10. Also, because her comp abilities are horrible, she got VERY lucky she wasnt cut at final 3 because Paul was a dumbass. Will wasnt in control of the season, sure, but id argue was he was more socially and strategically aware of his positioning in the house once his alliance left, so he rules upward for me.
Also MAYBE swap Hayden and Dan, but im a huge Dan sucker, so that may just be biased on my part.
Mine
20 Adam
19 Andy
18 Josh
17 Lisa
16 Maggie
15 Jun
14 Michie
13 Drew
12 Steve
11 Kaycee
10 Jordan
9 Nicole
8 Hayden
7 Rachel
6 Mike Boogie
5 Dick
4 Ian
3 Derrick
2 Dan
1 Will
Dick at 5 rachel at 7 ian at 4 I don't think so dick should have lost but stupid americas player caused him to stay which is in my opinion the biggest knock for any winner like he sucks he even wanted to go home at 8 but is saved because of a twist which is awful rachel is rachel watch is winner rankings as players and ian was clueless thinking he was safe when he wasn't and he joined the quack pack which was an already formed alliance which he just joined so I respect the opinions but I disagree
Vanessa just gave birth to twins she’s not coming back in the near future sadly