Former Finishers That Now Mean NOTHING
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- Do you remember when the DDT used to be a finisher? Or the Spanish Fly? Or the Canadian Destroyer? Well they were so good that EVERYBODY decided to steal the move. First as a finisher, then as a signature move. Then as a yet another move that never beat an opponent. Then a move to no sell and then return the favour on their opponent who also didn’t sell it so therefore it means absolutely nothing. Stevie Richards goes through a list of moves that were once thought to be devastating but have now been rendered completely useless.
From The Stevie Richards Show Episode 26 - Former Finishers that now mean NOTHING
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Per Rhyno in an interview, "I do the Gore, and no one has kicked out of it. If they kicked out, I accidentally did a Spear."
came to the comments cus i knew someone would have quoted that interview 😂😂😂
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I love it!!!
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LOL...Rhino's gore looks absolutely devastating. I agree Edge's spear looks kinda weak.
Far as I'm concerned is only two, Rhino and Goldberg @@mattm7798
Superkick is literally a standard strike unless your initials are HBK nowadays 😂
17 in one match at mania 40. Worst of both nights
i understand the sentiment but things evolve for a reason
if the show didn’t evolve no one would watch
It’s one reason why I hate the old bucks. All they do is super kicks. One after another
@@showtime1235 I understand that sentiment also but I'm a fan of a spinning wheel kick over a superkick if I ain't planning on going home.
@@showtime1235 You can evolve without nerfing the superkick.
I can't believe how people destroyed the mystique of the canadian destroyer. When I first saw it the first time when Petey did it I was freaked out.
I agree when I first saw Petey Williams did the canadian destroyer. I jumped out of my seat saying WOW what a Finisher, now Everyone is doing it, it lost that wow factor
Nah it looks dumb and unbelievable
Agreed! I was amazed the 1st time I saw it done. Amazing Red was so awesome as well.
Isn't Petey one of the producers of the WWE?
@@kenterminateddq5311Yes
Jake the Snake said the DDT doesn't mean anything when others do it, but it matters when he does it. I like that take and helped me be more open to the idea
Other guys know the physical application but only master's like Jake the Snake know how to properly manipulate their Chi to give it that knockout affect. also Jake has "tendon strength". *Oh it's true...
Do it, not abuse it ..
Plus, u reminded me of what Matt Hardy said about an NXT talent using his Twist Of Fate, he kinda said ; "If they do it & it doesn't finish the match then i do it better"... Before giving his approval.
Jake's is STILL the best, most devastating looking one as well.
Jake had ring psychology around his DDT. Watch his matches, he would set it up with the punches, short arm clothes line and most of the time once Jake got to the build up Ted Dibiase or Rick Martel would get away. Jake would hit that finisher on PPV or if it was a Saturday nights main event, he’d hit it but there was always a catch. The match was over or Jake got a hold of the manager and if he didn’t get to hit it, out came the snake! Sad part is AEW has Jake and NOBODY is making use of his knowledge.
Because his was violant looking.
Gangrels at a close second since he would jump into it.
The Canadian Destroyer being turned into a transitional move sums up everything wrong with modern pro wrestling.
It’s a pretty choreographed move that makes minimal sense. Doesn’t make the Canadian destroyer being turned into a transitional move any less problematic.
@@robertt9342... So is like 95% of Pro Wrestling.
Ricochet would disagree with this and say "ha,haaahhh!"
Facts
Choreographed like every other move. At least it looks fancy.@@robertt9342
Shawn treated the kick like a death blow. The build before the connection, the response after. That's how it should have stayed.
The superkick used to be the setup for HBK's Teardrop Suplex.
@@dsadams17 I remember that they'd spin after the kick and he'd hook them, that suplex was a weak finisher though didn't look a whole lot different than a basic belly to back suplex
Tell that to Rikishi 20 years ago
Love this comment, couldn’t agree more!!
whats interetsing is if ya go back to the beginning of his singles career ya will see he used Sweet Chin Music as a setup move for the side backspluex or backbreaker whichever one did. somebody suggested he use the suprkick as a finisher and here we are.
Richards knowing the SAT created the Spanish Fly as their team finish is class to start this video off.
A rare moment where I knew something that James didnt
@An0n_ym0u5 True, though they were all active at the same time so it's possibly debatable.
I always thought it was Paul burchel Stevie taught me sum new
Red was my shit
They didn't create that move. The first person to ever use it was Naomichi Marufuji in Japan. To be fair though, the reality is, the SAT probably didn't even know about Marufuji and did come up with it on their own independently.
The Canadian Destroyer being turned into a transition move greatly bothers me for several reasons, the main one being: it's a flipping pile driver... pile drivers are moves that will cause extreme harm to someone's head, neck and spine. A pile driver done at FULL force with the head directly impacting the ground can cause permanent serious damage (what happened to Steve Austin is a prime example). The flip adds more momentum to the pile driver (making it more destructive). In other words, it's greatly annoys me to see someone give someone else the Canadian Destroyer only to see that wrestler pop back up two seconds later as if nothing happened. That's the equivalent of watching a Friday the 13th movie where Jason slams a camp counselor to the ground, head first, and two seconds later the camp counselor pops back up and starts running around as if nothing happened. That seriously messes up suspension of disbelief.
Bad take
Correct take
How is that a bad take, this is why wrestling sucks these days no moves mean anything it's just an acrobatic monkey circus
@@alexandermontejo447 Lol what a filthy casual. No real wrestling fan would defend no-selling. Selling is literally one of the core foundations of make-believe fighting.
@@alexandermontejo447 Are you f*ckin brain dead?
When I first saw Sid do a power bomb, I thought he was killing people. Now, everyone does it, multiple times, on furniture.
furniture from Home Depot, Lowe's or IKEA...
When I saw Vader powerbomb a guy the first time. I thought,”yup he’s never waking again.”
Some MMA bro will likely explain to you how and why the powerbomb isn't much worse than a properly executed double leg takedown or body slam. Heck, remember Regal getting a concussion from Kane slamming him?
Double leg takedowns, slams and powerbombs do more or less the same thing in that they impact the back but a wrong maneuver could lead to the head striking the mat and cause significant issues.
Point in case Nash trying to powerbomb Paul Wight and almost dropping him on his head.
@@horgh_japanSearch Rampage Jackson slams Ricardo Arona.
Odd how WWE is now calling the piledriver a banned move, but had Canadian Destroyers which weren't even finishers.
Basic Piledriver is banned but front flip Piledriver every Friday.
Pretty much only Andrade does it and even then it’s not that often, plus it looks much more safe than a real pile driver
Piledriver done incorrectly really messes up the neck I know the Destroyer can do the same thing but Owen vs Austin best example
@@markmagician2471 clearly a piledriver can be dangerous, but Owen's piledriver was a reverse piledriver not a traditional piledriver and Owen didn't have the build to do it. Bam Bam used to use it all the time in WCW and it was very safe. Rikishi did as well.
@geneanthony3421 I knew Tombstone was also very dangerous and Undertaker I know was one of the few allowed to use it and Kane too
Gangrel's Impaler was perfect. It made the vanilla DDT look so much more devastating, it still protected the opponent and it had a really cool name.
And Gangrel was awesome. His entrance and music and finisher made him one of the best of wwe in my opinion.
When did it change names? Gangrels move was originally called the Implant DDT and Christians Killswitch/ Unprettier was called the Impaler.
@ I don't think it ever did change names. I do remember Jim Ross mistakenly calling Christian's finisher the impaler on a few occasions, but I always attributed that to him just getting confused, like when he always used to mix up Matt and Jeff Hardy's names.
@@re2giethe Killswitch was originally called "The Impaler" and Gangrel's finish was the "Impaler DDT". Because they were a team and it was part of the gimmick the name confusion didn't matter much because the point was the same, being impaled by the "vampires".
The SAT (aka the Spanish Announce Team, aka Los Maximos) are Jose, Juan and Wil Maximo, they’ve mostly stuck to the indie circuit over the past 20+ years but they’ve had significant runs in ROH, early TNA, Chikara, CZW, and more recently GCW. Fun fact, the three Maximos are real-life brothers and also cousins of Amazing Red and Zelina Vega.
Oh damn another wrestling family
Maybe it's my old brain but I only remember 2 Maximos. Jose and Joel.
They used to roll with the Amazing Red. I was shocked when dude didn't know em as a bit of a wrestling researcher
Exactly. SATs and Amazing Red were old school TNA… along with the flying Elvises
Yes and they didnt invent the move either, Naomichi Marufuji did and called it the Shiranui Kai.
Even finishers don’t finish anymore. The opponent has to be hit with the same finisher 3-4 times before the 3 count half of the time. One of my biggest gripes about modern pro wrestling.
This is one of the reasons I hate the Cross Rhodes. Not only is it weak as hell, Cody always has to hit, like, three of them to win.
Same here. It defeats the point of it being a finishing move.
I mean kind of. There’s some wrestlers who have finishers that need more than 1 a decent amount of the time. Then there’s some who have a finish that either never gets kicked out of, or once per year or once in several years.
That’s mostly coming down to who it’s against and the show no?
Remember that “Hell in a Cell” match between Seth Rollins and the Fiend. Who thought it will be a good thing to have Rollins do 10+ Curb Stomps with a shitty finish?
Then to have the Fiend go on to lose to Goldberg in the next month or so. Does not make sense at all!
The super kick, the spear, the DDT, frog splash and the cutter all used to be finishers that u knew no one was kicking out of it
Wasn't Goldberg's spear just a set up for his finisher the Jackammer?
Yep
Now females do it and it looks stupid, zero power and highly unbelievable. 🤣
Edge’s spear wasn’t really a finisher until the early 2000’s either. He’d use it if they wanted him to get a quick win, otherwise they’d kick out and he’d use the downward spiral/impaler ddt, to win the match.
Generally I always felt like the signature was the damage move and the finisher was the nail in the coffin. So going from the spear, the damage into jackhammer which ends with a pin. Like the move before the finish is suppose to be what deals the most "damage" and then the finisher is just a transition into a pin but also a sign to the audience its over.
@@UTxTheArchangelI can’t think of a time when that was true
My wife just learned who Brutus Beefcake is because I've been watching the WWF shows leading up to Mania 3. And now she's been walking around screaming Beefcake in an Eric Cartman voice in tribute to The Barber. I know you only mentioned him once, but she's been doing it for 3 days and it's the funniest thing I've ever seen.
I remember as a kid being scared to death of the chicken wing. The way they had that build between Bob vs Hart had him looking like a beast with that move. He was a good heal then.
I had a had time watching that. We would describe my feelings of that in todays vernacular as feud as cringy.
Chicken wing is a legit move in amateur wrestling and I've personally torn my rotator cuff from a kid I wrestled and he was a dirty wrestler and cranked it up which is illegal because it tears your rotator cuff
Bob Backlund's finishing move was called the Cross-faced Chicken Wing.
@@kshinokevin that was my finisher when i backyard wrestled
It’s ridiculous the Canadian destroyer would ever be anything except a finisher.
The People's Elbow, probably in the top five most preposterous wrestling moves ever, is also in the top five most over finishers ever. It's all about psychology and protection.
Hogan's leg drop hurt his butt more than it hurt his opponent. The figure four used be a finisher but no more. I knew wrestling was going in the wrong direction when people started kicking out after a pile driver.
Peoples elbow wasn't the finisher, it was the setup for the rock bottom.
That's literally backwards
The Rock Bottom planted people for the follow up Peoples Elbow
@@yagamifire7861Different time periods of Rock's career the people's elbow meant different things. In 1997 into 1998, the people's elbow was just a silly move that only got a 2 count. Then eventually towards the end of 1998 he started doing it after the Rock Bottom to get the 3 count. Then eventually in 2000 he started using the spinebuster to set up the people's elbow and would get a 3 count that way.
I always felt that the move he used BEFORE the people's elbow was the real finish, and the elbow was just a salt in the wound insult.
Talking about Goldberg's spear sending them to a place where they're half out and Goldberg is just knocked out from planting himself had me laughing.
Bron Breaker made the spear special again. He has the best spear ever
The move only looks good when a guy who looks like they should be playing (American)football does it.
He doesn’t have the best spear, but it is good. Chris is correct, the guy hitting you should look like a guy that makes the impact believable. It should look like being hit by a car.
Edges is the worst. So soft looking.
@@egomaniac247 You're right, but it's really funny because (after goldberg) Edge is arguably the guy who made the spear so popular.
Bro is actually funny. Dude said stack the ps5s so he can say he got a ps15 😂😂😂
SAT's are still wrestling now. the Spanish Fly worked best as a tag team move, but from a single opponent, it takes away the strength because now both wrestlers have to help each other so that the move will work. As a tag team, both tag team partners can have complete control of the Spanish Fly. SAT have a school now that Chavo Guerrero is helping with.
I agree, you know your stuff man. I can’t stand seeing a guy do a Spanish fly and do it wrong and land on top of the guy. As a tag finish it makes much more sense. I didn’t know Chavo was helping out with the school that’s dope
"Did anyone do an outside move and win?"
Cactus Jack. The Cactus Elbow from the apron to the floor.
Akira Taue's chokeslam off the apron should also count, in the psychological aspect of "he can't actually PIN anyone with that, but if he hits this big outside move he'll probably win the match later".
Mick called it The Hip Buster 😉
@pascalmarceillant2671 not 1 lie detected
That was never Catcus’s finish. He always did that after he lost a match.
The Berserker throwing his opponent over the top rope for a count out, count?
Every 150lb dork with a Twitch account and a fake tan does the Panama Fly Destroyer now.
u mad u r pale asl and overweight, broski?
I remember a Wrestlemania a few years ago. Cedric and Mustafa Ali did a Spanish Fly off the turnbuckle in the opening match, then Charlotte did one in the Women's Championship match. It really hit me at the time that there should have been some communication between the performers. Seeing that in a women's match would have been a big deal if we hadn't seen the same move in the opening match.
Somebody arrest this man for not at least knowing who the SAT were.
I hate the Uso's superkick. It's annoying, it doesn't look good, and they do it like 5x per match. It's like 1975 Jerry Lawler doing 5x piledrivers per match. Stupid.
@@AnOnY_MoU5 I would never bring myself to watch it. It would be obnoxious with all the thigh slapping.
The usos were a good tag team and that's where it ends.
Five times is a conservative estimate...
The abdominal stretch took decades to become "just a move", along with the figure 4. The canadian destroyer because "just a move" as soon as anyone other than Petey Williams started doing it.
The all time destroyed finisher has to be the DDT. Absolutely a dreaded move when Jake did it. Later wrestlers used it overwhelmingly as a transition and "2 count" move to the point that it's difficult to take the DDT seriously except when Jake (and wrestlers from his timeframe) do it. Move ruined thanks to overuse and not being promoted for its lethality anymore.
They let Curtis Axel do the Perfectplex and everyone was kicking out of it! Why bury Mr Perfect's move like that
It's just a fisherman's suplex, if anyone buried it it was Mr Perfect by bringing it to the midcard.
When people start kicking out of your finishing move it is no longer a finisher it's just a move.
The legdrop was "just a move" except when Hogan did it. Everything is "just a move" until people want to believe it is more. Haku did a thrust kick as a finisher but because no one cared about him, the Rockers doing double superkicks didn't really change the status quo. No one asked the question as Haku was an islander and thus innately better at it.
Honestly surprised Bron didn't get mentioned for having a good spear.
"Don't go outside to meaninglessly brawl on the floor."
quoted Five-Year ECW Veteran
Look how Austin sold bretts sharp shooter when he passed out, pure excellence. he limped all the way back to guerilla with two refs. THAT'S HOW ITS DONE fr.
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Plus him walking out on his own while limping sold his "Bad ass" persona he became famous for
Jey Uso has this amazing back suplex into a neckbreaker and I'm furious that it isn't his finish
Hes too busy getting his corny yeet gimmick over for the kids. 🤣
Supposedly you have to be able to do your finisher on everyone and Jey might not be able.
However I do agree that neck breaker should be a finisher. It is better than the spear, super kicks and splash. I still think that he does need to change his moveset.
Stop with the spamming of super kicks and like Drew with his Claymore.
Jey Uso finish should be that flying super kick he does, which looks awesome!
Rhyno said that no one kicked out of The Gore, when they did he said it was a Spear 😅.
The story of how Jake came up with the DDT is awesome. It was an accidental move where he went for a basic front headlock and him and his opponent got their feet tangled up and he accidentally spiked the guy’s head and knocked him out.
I hate how people now use finishers all the time, or they have to hit an opponent multiple times for it to work. It used to be one and done, maybe a kickout to light up the crowd. Now it seem like they hit 5 before the 3 count.
There was an indie show where someone kicked out of a burning hammer that was a "wtf" moment.
I miss the cutter as a finisher. When DDP landed it, people went absolutely nuts.
Orton?
Never forget the Bad Bunny Canadian Destroyer.
i honestly marked the hell out when he hit that on John Morrison
Choke is applying pressure to cut off the air, Sleeper is cutting the blood supply. Taz's was closer to a (gi assisted) choke.
Yup. I've heard of the sleeper / rnc being described as a blood choke. Referees used to check the sleeper wasn't across the throat as that would be an illegal move. Taz's sleeper had the forearms across each side of the neck but on bigger opponents it sometimes turned into more of a choke across the windpipe
I miss submission finishers. It almost never happens now. Back when someone would get in the sharpshooter or figure four it was a huge suspense move of "will they tap?"
The announcer's table spot is not a finisher but every match goes to the table
In the good old early UA-cam days, I watched WWE in like 360p and still had fun. So when Dolph Ziggler began using the Sleeper Hold in 2009, I can remember someone commenting: "A Sleeper? What is this? Like 1986??" But yeah, I thought it was cool. Until a year later when his move didn't matter anymore lol.
The first time that I saw the Canadian destroyer I lost my shit and now it's a throw away move
I loved the Stevie-T. You guys have great chemistry, I love the banter. A PS 15. 😂😂
Spanish fly is the stupidest move I've ever seen. Makes no sense.
Calm down. Wrestling’s pre determined. You’re gonna be okay Bob
Makes perfect sense if you understand lucha libre psychology....
When Pete was talking about going to the outside it reminded me of how a few years back there was a dive through the ropes in every singe match. I hated it so much! I would be watching RAW and in every single match someone would dive between the ropes to the outside. It just made me feel like I was watching the same exact match over and over.
30 years ago, my favorite move was Mick Foleys double arm DDT or even Ravens. Now everyone does it lol. 😂😂😂😂
Shoutout the S.A.T.
The maximo brothers are amazing.
Love to see it
Man, can we talk about modern wrestlers stealing my swanton bomb finishing maneuver man? And most times it doesn't even end the match Man! Man, I'm going back to North Carolina to tell my Stoner friend Shannon about this video man!
Man I love Markyd!
@@jbrone1965Shuv it man!
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UA-cam deleted my comment, which was just MarkyD's catchphrase. Weak.
Markyd123 is the best wrestling UA-camr. An old man like me can appreciate a younger man having old school sensibilities.
When I was young I never understood why moves like a Rock Bottom pin you but then there’s basic moves like a high back body drop is way more painful and is just a transition move 😂
Perfect plex is perfect example of this video and Jake's DDT used to feel like a brain trauma or something ddt used to be special like piledriver.
When I was a kid the DDT put on by Jake was so badass. It was honestly my favorite finisher back then
Since AEW debuted on tv, I have seen the fisherman suplex more often.
Loved the perfect Plex as a kid
@@mquigg25me too. Mr Perfect was my first favorite wrestler. When I used to wrestle with my friends , I would win with the Perfect Plex.
@@mquigg25 perfect Plex is a perfect finisher for wrestlers like gunther
Stevie is really funny to the point of being under rated. just the dry-ness and facials kill me from time to time.
Glad to hear you mentioned Ricky Morton! He’s always been my favorite 🥹
SAT invented the Spanish Fly and it was later adapted by Nova and Frankie Kazarian as the Flux Capacitor. Frankie then started to do the 1 man Flux Capacitor and Paul Burchill started to do the Standing Spanish Fly calling it C4. Every single time the move was used as a finish until they bastardized it.
@An0n_ym0u5 Frankie debuted in 98 which is the same year as Marufuji so unless Marufuji did it before 01 then Frankie did it first.
@@allmightylowercasejay1138 look it up, takes you no less than 5 seconds to find.
Rear naked choke came from MMA because they dont like using pro wrestling terminogy. So you wont see them say a sleeper hold.
RVD sold the DDT and the piledriver better than anyone else. And Samoa Joe not only made submission wrestling legit, but also introduced the walk away from the dive spot.
Dynamite kid was doing the walk away spot in the 80s, shinjiro ohtani in the 90s.
William Regal was doing the walk away spot in wcw in the mid 90s
@@dannycruz5446The greatest ever.
8:35 You were right the first time. It was in fact called; "The Edgecution." I remember this very clearly, because one of my favorite wrestling games of all time was WWE Day of Reckoning. And that was Edge's finisher (aside from the Spear.) The move you are thinking of was called; "The Edge-O-Matic."
Piledriver = banned
Overhead flipping piledriver = transitional move
Jumping punch = finisher/set-up
Consistency? What's that?
I get jumping punch as a finisher/setup because of the MMA influence there. You nail someone on the jaw or temple, it's lights out.
Stu Grayson got a triple spike piledriver on the concrete - and then kicked out at two.
STU GRAYSON
Edge spear was trash asf
It still is lol
Agreed....100%
Yeah his spear has always looked garbage, the move itself is Lame shit belongs in rugby
preeech brother
As someone who loves Edge I agree I never really bought in to his spear.
Hope everyone here had a great holiday! I’m so happy I found this channel. Stevie, James and Chris are the best. Have a happy new year!😊
The Canadian destroyer is the one that pisses me off the most. Like nobody should be kicking out of that move & EVERYBODY shouldn't be doing it. I'm training to become a wrestler myself & as a kid i always said id use the destroyer as a finish, but now i feel like nobody would ever take it serious as a finisher now.
As an independent professional wrestler I can tell you they won't. Nobody I wrestle with uses it because it can't be used as a finisher. Keep going, and you will find what suits you
@toby-aprilseegren3872 Yeah, I've only been training for a few months now, so far I've settled on a jumping superkick but the goal is to have something nobody else has by my 1st match. I definitely have some new ideas for moves coming up. Maybe some day we'll clash 😎
@@kamo7923 Not trying to rain on your parade but seeing where wrestling is right now it's eye rolling that the two moves you pick are a Destroyer and a Superkick. Two of the most overused moves. Please for your sake come up with something else. Don't be 'another destroyer guy' or 'another superkick guy'. Stand out. I know it's hard to come up with something no one, or very little, are doing but try to do something somewhat unique.
@@JuggyBohab I came up with using the destroyer when I was like 10 hence y i said as a kid. I only decided that cuz I didn't think everybody would be spamming it like suplexes when i grew up lol. As for the super kick I don't use the regular version everyone spams, I use the jumping one axiom uses but its not something im keeping for long. I definitely see what u mean & definitely have some ideas in store. Hopefully u can see someday.
@@kamo7923 I'm not trying to be a downer on you. It's just that no one stands out too often these days and finishers are a part of that. I wish you all the luck I really do.
Jake Robert's has said that he loves that everyone kicks out of the DDT now because since NOBODY ever kicked out of his DDT it means that nobody does it as well as he does
a whole lotta mental gymnastics going on there
@NoneofYabiz-rx3zi no he actually said it in an interview and it makes sense when you think about it. If 100 people do a move but when 1 of them does it and never has anyone kick out it makes their version the most devastating. And like Stevie says in the video they should capitalize on that and have him train someone (like Lance Archer) to do it and protect it when he uses it
I miss the days when a finisher was actually a finisher and finished the match. One of the TNA storylines that sticks out in my head was just based around Petey Williams and the Canadian Destroyer. Petey was X Division champ and winning his matches with the Destroyer and then along came Chris Sabin who said he knew a way to beat it or get out of it. The finisher meant something and you don't want to be on the receiving end of it and you want to try to figure out ways to not get hit with it. AMAZING! Nowadays finishers mean nothing and it'll take 3-5 finishers to keep even a midcarder down. Just takes me out of a match and its one of the reasons I'm not as invested into wrestling as much as I used to be. If nothing means nothing, then why am I watching? It's one of the things that killed AEW for me. One match was supposed to be like a revenge match where Team A took out a member of this stable and Team B wants to get revenge so they do this "big" match to get revenge and they do stuff where they all got each other by the wrists and do that stupid arm wave thing. Or Young Bucks vs Penta and Fenix and I can't remember if it was superkicks or Destroyers but Nick hit lets say Fenix with a superkick, who kips up and nails Matt with a superkick, who kips up and nails Penta, who kips up and nails Nick who kips up and nails Fenix and they all fall down. I just remember that and was shaking my head at it and that kinda just killed it for me. WWE does it too. I remember being so bored of the Zayn/Owens vs Uso stuff cause for most of it, nothing meant nothing and I just tuned out.
When i was an active independent wrestler before covid hit, when i saw so many wrestlers using a standard ddt, I switched it up to the double arm ddt and the devils lock ddt. I always tried to do a variation of a move that the fans have already seen.
DDT variations are some of my favorite moves next to powerbomb variations.
I’d say that both of those moves are finishes. Doing too much bro.
Nobody ever does a front bump DDT, like Christians reverse DDT where he kicks back and falls forward
@@ryanmellor2238 because it is dangerous
My favorite was Mick Foley and the falling version, not the snap double arm everyone is doing.
People hate on Vince Russo but he and Piper were having an interview about a decade ago and I heard Russo call wrestling at the time Video Game wrestling and the modern day wrestling, especially indies and AEW are just that. Doing the most devastating looking moves but popping right back up and not selling it.
It’s become a check list. Where both wrestlers have to do all their movies
Even in the video games, the guy eventually stops getting up, right?
Or have they changed in the last 15-20 years?
I think the pulling him back move Edge did was called the Edge-O-Matic and the DDT he did was indeed the Edgecution
Raven, Jake the SNake and Arn had the best DDTs.
Edge and his running hug "Spear".
I always loved Lashleys spear too, he had the physique to sell it. The ones against Big show were particularly funny though
Taz had everything named after him too. Must be an ECW thing.
Goldberg is known for his spear. However, Goldberg's finish is the Jackhammer
Edge was originally a joke for using it back when he started..but then again the Edgeacuton blew.
Michael's using the superkick was perfect because he was such a tiny pipsqueak & it was believeable he could beat anyone with a kick to the face.
Also, I went to an AEW combined taping, every single match featured a "Canadian Destroyer". Even the Dustin match. I was flabbergasted at how dumb that was
AEW doesn't believe in wrestling psychology. When I saw someone do it from inside the ring to the table outside and it not end the match is when I knew that company jumped the shark.
Honestly a spear should always be a signature setup move., even with Goldberg. Edge’s spear wasn’t believable.
@@robertt9342 I disagree. I've taken one and it hurts.
Too true that Edge using the spear was not very popular in the beginning because no one was used to it being a finisher. I'll give Edge credit for making it a cool finisher.
Amazing Job Michael!!!! Wishing you continued success in 2025!
The Abdominal Stretch hurts! Feels like your stomach being drawn and quartered.
The Irish Whip was a finisher at one point
I’m not aware of any of the move Gunter uses to finish matches having a special name. Just powerbomb, chockhold, lariat, splash etc.
Powerbomb - Tenryu Powerbomb, Rear Naked Choke - Gojira Clutch, Lariat - Burning Lariat, Emerald Flowsion - The Last Symphony
No, but he has a gimmick around just being a no nonsense wrestler so it makes sense for him to not name those moves. Any then it’s not that he has special claim to those moves- more that he’s just so hard hitting that nearly anything he does can be a finisher since he just beats you down overall until you can’t get back up anymore.
I'm pretty sure the move with Cena is the sunset flip powerbomb he did on Styles. It's not a canadian destroyer but still a move nobody expected him to pull out.
goldberg rhyno and bron breakker has to be right up there
The pedigree and super kick don't mean anything anymore lol.
Every finisher means nothing because these big tough wrestlers have egos made of glass and they refuse to lose clean anymore.
I haven't watched pro wrestling in year but I listen to videos like this where it's discussed. When I heard that AEW had "issues" with Alistar Black (sp?) because he decided it would "hurt his character" for him to be pinned, I wondered "why would anyone agree to those terms?" Maybe there would be a big pay off when someone finally did pin him, but the way it was presented made it seem as though he simply had an ego problem and didn't want to lose.
One winged Angel. It has never been kicked out of.
@@King0fAllPixelskota ibushi did, but he's the only one. It's very protected.
It would help if these "marks who made it" stopped looking at it as a "loss"... you know... because it isn't ACTUALLY a competition?
When the "winners" and "losers" are predetermined, both those words totally lose all meaning... there are just "wrestlers".
But not even that anymore. Now they're just "entertainers".
Eff modern sports entertainment.
Long live WRESTLING!
Everyone has their preferences, but when a move requires significant cooperation from the person taking the move in order to pull it off, it crosses the line of being eye-rolling for me. The first time I saw the Spanish Fly, I thought it looked cool but it was also unbelievable for all the wrong reasons. The first time I saw the Canadian Destroyer, I thought "This is the dumbest wrestling move I have ever seen."
I said the same thing about the Irish Whip
Honestly I've always liked the slower brutish crap heels did.
14:05 - Jim Cornette would talk about this a lot, & people would get on him for being too old in his thinking. It's absolutely true though. Admittedly though, prime ECW was one of the big breakers of the "don't go to the floor" rule.
The Leg Drop, a shame it's not a finisher anymore XD
Any move can be a finish, and it’s definitely still used.
I think Hogan said he wished he had chosen something else as his finish because decades of landing on his ass did a number on his back. I remember a similar story from Stone Cold where he said they were international and "Stone Cold" was supposed to run down and give everyone a stunner in order to send the fans home happy. He said he wasn't in the mood to come crashing down on his ass 5 or 6 times that night, so he instead ran down and doled out chair shots. When I was a kid the stunner seemed like one of the better moves to deliver because I didn't consider being a 225+ pound person dropping most of your weight straight down onto your tailbone. It made me feel so bad fro Bobby Eaton landing on his butt with that top rope leg drop.
The People's Elbow, probably in the top five most preposterous wrestling moves ever, is also in the top five most over finishers ever. It's all about psychology and protection.
@@NexusFantismo What irks me about the People's Elbow is that it "made sense," but what some people took away from it is "I need a move like it where I bounce off the ropes, come to a stop, then deliver a falling blow to my opponent." Cena with the fist drop. Kofi Kingston had/has the leg drop. I'm sure there are many others as I haven't actively watched in years but more recently even LA Knight does a variation of it. It feels as though people look at something that was successful i.e. "kicking out of a finish," and then decide "finishes need to be kicked out of. All of the time." Completely missing why "kicking out of the finish" worked in the first place.
I remember in ROH Young Bucks hit 51 superkicks back at Global Wars 2016 when Adam Cole joined Bullet Club.
As long as the young ducks are employed I will never take wrestling seriously
Moves change with the times. I remember when a leg drop, a sleeper hold, a DDT, a lariat, a splash and so on were enough to get the job done. Now the athlete's are stronger and faster.
And dumber too apparently.
Name an "athlete today" who would not get SMOKED by a prime Stan Hansen lariat?
This logic doesn't track at all because a lot of the old school guys were bigger than most of the guys who are currently in AEW's roster. As it stands, JBL still has a meaner clothesline than most active guys in the business.
Hell... John Studds finisher was a body slam! Lol
Just because the leg drop is no longer a finisher doesn't mean you should nerf all other finishers. That logic doesn't make sense at all. The superkick and sleeper hold can still be a finisher today if they protected it.
Never heard this before
"The opposite of take a shot, throw up a little bit" 😂
Even Virgil could do a Canadian Destroyer. Time to give that move a rest.
You two are ships in the night sometimes, but there's a lot of promise for when you reach the same location- well done James and Stevie
One of the worst and how it was a finisher is beyond me, baley to baley suplex...
Scott Steiner's release belly to belly was a work of art. It does depend on who is doing it.
Stevie, I love your show. Best wrestling show on UA-cam.
I'm fine with it. It makes kayfabe sense for me that someone who does not use it as a finisher would have a weaker version of it as they aren't as proficient with the move. Even HBK himself once used the superkick as a regular move when his actual finisher was the teardrop suplex.
It's weird enough going back and seeing him do SCM from the corner without tuning up the band
@BBoy4040 that was before he leveled up the move enough to be a finisher
Man stevie would be great in nxt as a trainer or even a producer love listening to this guy
They forgot to add clips, I was having to youtube each move they talked about.
My man, they put in the work to make these video.
The least you can do is to take your lazy ass and do some work yourself.
Geez..
Probably a copyright thing. UA-cam is so stupid when it comes to that.
@@redwolfe7049nothing to do with copyright you can show 3 sec clips. just lazy production
@@dproppa565take the work? they literally just cut this part out of a long interview. lazy to not add something on to it
Mark af
Yoooo love for the SAT (Spanish Announce Team) and originating the Spanish fly.
Love it!!!
The Canadian Destroyer is a joke because the person taking the move does most of the work. 🤦
It was a cool visual when u didn't see it every week on tv.
its as bad as the C-4, burchill was destroying people in fwa with the move with no name, he should have stuck with that.
@@lewisb85I loved that move when he was a pirate. Never saw anything like it at the time.