It’s a pretty choreographed move that makes minimal sense. Doesn’t make the Canadian destroyer being turned into a transitional move any less problematic.
@@dsadams17 I remember that they'd spin after the kick and he'd hook them, that suplex was a weak finisher though didn't look a whole lot different than a basic belly to back suplex
whats interetsing is if ya go back to the beginning of his singles career ya will see he used Sweet Chin Music as a setup move for the side backspluex or backbreaker whichever one did. somebody suggested he use the suprkick as a finisher and here we are.
I agree when I first saw Petey Williams did the canadian destroyer. I jumped out of my seat saying WOW what a Finisher, now Everyone is doing it, it lost that wow factor
Jake the Snake said the DDT doesn't mean anything when others do it, but it matters when he does it. I like that take and helped me be more open to the idea
Other guys know the physical application but only master's like Jake the Snake know how to properly manipulate their Chi to give it that knockout affect. also Jake has "tendon strength". *Oh it's true...
Do it, not abuse it .. Plus, u reminded me of what Matt Hardy said about an NXT talent using his Twist Of Fate, he kinda said ; "If they do it & it doesn't finish the match then i do it better"... Before giving his approval.
Jake had ring psychology around his DDT. Watch his matches, he would set it up with the punches, short arm clothes line and most of the time once Jake got to the build up Ted Dibiase or Rick Martel would get away. Jake would hit that finisher on PPV or if it was a Saturday nights main event, he’d hit it but there was always a catch. The match was over or Jake got a hold of the manager and if he didn’t get to hit it, out came the snake! Sad part is AEW has Jake and NOBODY is making use of his knowledge.
The SAT (aka the Spanish Announce Team, aka Los Maximos) are Jose, Juan and Wil Maximo, they’ve mostly stuck to the indie circuit over the past 20+ years but they’ve had significant runs in ROH, early TNA, Chikara, CZW, and more recently GCW. Fun fact, the three Maximos are real-life brothers and also cousins of Amazing Red and Zelina Vega.
The Canadian Destroyer being turned into a transition move greatly bothers me for several reasons, the main one being: it's a flipping pile driver... pile drivers are moves that will cause extreme harm to someone's head, neck and spine. A pile driver done at FULL force with the head directly impacting the ground can cause permanent serious damage (what happened to Steve Austin is a prime example). The flip adds more momentum to the pile driver (making it more destructive). In other words, it's greatly annoys me to see someone give someone else the Canadian Destroyer only to see that wrestler pop back up two seconds later as if nothing happened. That's the equivalent of watching a Friday the 13th movie where Jason slams a camp counselor to the ground, head first, and two seconds later the camp counselor pops back up and starts running around as if nothing happened. That seriously messes up suspension of disbelief.
@@alexandermontejo447 Lol what a filthy casual. No real wrestling fan would defend no-selling. Selling is literally one of the core foundations of make-believe fighting.
@@markmagician2471 clearly a piledriver can be dangerous, but Owen's piledriver was a reverse piledriver not a traditional piledriver and Owen didn't have the build to do it. Bam Bam used to use it all the time in WCW and it was very safe. Rikishi did as well.
The abdominal stretch took decades to become "just a move", along with the figure 4. The canadian destroyer because "just a move" as soon as anyone other than Petey Williams started doing it.
RVD sold the DDT and the piledriver better than anyone else. And Samoa Joe not only made submission wrestling legit, but also introduced the walk away from the dive spot.
The People's Elbow, probably in the top five most preposterous wrestling moves ever, is also in the top five most over finishers ever. It's all about psychology and protection.
Akira Taue's chokeslam off the apron should also count, in the psychological aspect of "he can't actually PIN anyone with that, but if he hits this big outside move he'll probably win the match later".
Look how Austin sold bretts sharp shooter when he passed out, pure excellence. he limped all the way back to guerilla with two refs. THAT'S HOW ITS DONE fr.
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Goldberg is known for his spear. However, Goldberg's finish is the Jackhammer Edge was originally a joke for using it back when he started..but then again the Edgeacuton blew. Michael's using the superkick was perfect because he was such a tiny pipsqueak & it was believeable he could beat anyone with a kick to the face. Also, I went to an AEW combined taping, every single match featured a "Canadian Destroyer". Even the Dustin match. I was flabbergasted at how dumb that was
AEW doesn't believe in wrestling psychology. When I saw someone do it from inside the ring to the table outside and it not end the match is when I knew that company jumped the shark.
Even finishers don’t finish anymore. The opponent has to be hit with the same finisher 3-4 times before the 3 count half of the time. One of my biggest gripes about modern pro wrestling.
I feel like the Canadian Destroyer was once in the same tier as the Burning Hammer, then the "I can't believe *insert wrestler here* hit a Canadian Destroyer!" trend happened and it was all downhill from there. I blame Ricky Morton specifically.
I remember as a kid being scared to death of the chicken wing. The way they had that build between Bob vs Hart had him looking like a beast with that move. He was a good heal then.
Chicken wing is a legit move in amateur wrestling and I've personally torn my rotator cuff from a kid I wrestled and he was a dirty wrestler and cranked it up which is illegal because it tears your rotator cuff
SAT's are still wrestling now. the Spanish Fly worked best as a tag team move, but from a single opponent, it takes away the strength because now both wrestlers have to help each other so that the move will work. As a tag team, both tag team partners can have complete control of the Spanish Fly. SAT have a school now that Chavo Guerrero is helping with.
I agree, you know your stuff man. I can’t stand seeing a guy do a Spanish fly and do it wrong and land on top of the guy. As a tag finish it makes much more sense. I didn’t know Chavo was helping out with the school that’s dope
The Canadian destroyer is the one that pisses me off the most. Like nobody should be kicking out of that move & EVERYBODY shouldn't be doing it. I'm training to become a wrestler myself & as a kid i always said id use the destroyer as a finish, but now i feel like nobody would ever take it serious as a finisher now.
As an independent professional wrestler I can tell you they won't. Nobody I wrestle with uses it because it can't be used as a finisher. Keep going, and you will find what suits you
@toby-aprilseegren3872 Yeah, I've only been training for a few months now, so far I've settled on a jumping superkick but the goal is to have something nobody else has by my 1st match. I definitely have some new ideas for moves coming up. Maybe some day we'll clash 😎
When i was an active independent wrestler before covid hit, when i saw so many wrestlers using a standard ddt, I switched it up to the double arm ddt and the devils lock ddt. I always tried to do a variation of a move that the fans have already seen.
Man, can we talk about modern wrestlers stealing my swanton bomb finishing maneuver man? And most times it doesn't even end the match Man! Man, I'm going back to North Carolina to tell my Stoner friend Shannon about this video man!
I hate the Uso's superkick. It's annoying, it doesn't look good, and they do it like 5x per match. It's like 1975 Jerry Lawler doing 5x piledrivers per match. Stupid.
I'm pretty sure the move with Cena is the sunset flip powerbomb he did on Styles. It's not a canadian destroyer but still a move nobody expected him to pull out.
The all time destroyed finisher has to be the DDT. Absolutely a dreaded move when Jake did it. Later wrestlers used it overwhelmingly as a transition and "2 count" move to the point that it's difficult to take the DDT seriously except when Jake (and wrestlers from his timeframe) do it. Move ruined thanks to overuse and not being promoted for its lethality anymore.
Like he said with Jake. Just don't do it unless you win the match with it. I use the DDT when I wrestle people who know me know it's coming. If I hit it, it's over. There's times I'll grab the guy and he squirms out and ppl will actually go "aww" doesn't matter if there was 100 DDTS that night I guess ppl will say "damn but his laid that guy out". You can build a match around two guys. One with a DDT finish one with a figure four. I can think of at least 6 matches with those finishes. Now, what gets me is false finishes. That killed a lot of it.
SAT invented the Spanish Fly and it was later adapted by Nova and Frankie Kazarian as the Flux Capacitor. Frankie then started to do the 1 man Flux Capacitor and Paul Burchill started to do the Standing Spanish Fly calling it C4. Every single time the move was used as a finish until they bastardized it.
I haven't watched pro wrestling in year but I listen to videos like this where it's discussed. When I heard that AEW had "issues" with Alistar Black (sp?) because he decided it would "hurt his character" for him to be pinned, I wondered "why would anyone agree to those terms?" Maybe there would be a big pay off when someone finally did pin him, but the way it was presented made it seem as though he simply had an ego problem and didn't want to lose.
People hate on Vince Russo but he and Piper were having an interview about a decade ago and I heard Russo call wrestling at the time Video Game wrestling and the modern day wrestling, especially indies and AEW are just that. Doing the most devastating looking moves but popping right back up and not selling it.
I know what Stevie is talking about when it comes to the Spanish fly. The first time I saw it was in ROH during a Scramble Cage match. I believe the was the show where Teddy Hart went into business for himself and started doing unplanned spots and got legit beat up by The Carnage Crew.
Yup. I've heard of the sleeper / rnc being described as a blood choke. Referees used to check the sleeper wasn't across the throat as that would be an illegal move. Taz's sleeper had the forearms across each side of the neck but on bigger opponents it sometimes turned into more of a choke across the windpipe
I feel like there’s multiple ways to look at it . They may have diluted the moves, but the way I see it all it does is continue to sell how good the OG was at giving it . The move doesn’t finish the match the wrestler does and some are better at delivering certain moves than others . Clearly Jimmy & Jey can’t kick as hard as Shawn Michaels
I miss the days when a finisher was actually a finisher and finished the match. One of the TNA storylines that sticks out in my head was just based around Petey Williams and the Canadian Destroyer. Petey was X Division champ and winning his matches with the Destroyer and then along came Chris Sabin who said he knew a way to beat it or get out of it. The finisher meant something and you don't want to be on the receiving end of it and you want to try to figure out ways to not get hit with it. AMAZING! Nowadays finishers mean nothing and it'll take 3-5 finishers to keep even a midcarder down. Just takes me out of a match and its one of the reasons I'm not as invested into wrestling as much as I used to be. If nothing means nothing, then why am I watching? It's one of the things that killed AEW for me. One match was supposed to be like a revenge match where Team A took out a member of this stable and Team B wants to get revenge so they do this "big" match to get revenge and they do stuff where they all got each other by the wrists and do that stupid arm wave thing. Or Young Bucks vs Penta and Fenix and I can't remember if it was superkicks or Destroyers but Nick hit lets say Fenix with a superkick, who kips up and nails Matt with a superkick, who kips up and nails Penta, who kips up and nails Nick who kips up and nails Fenix and they all fall down. I just remember that and was shaking my head at it and that kinda just killed it for me. WWE does it too. I remember being so bored of the Zayn/Owens vs Uso stuff cause for most of it, nothing meant nothing and I just tuned out.
Petey did it the best and it was protected. It’s ruined now and not one of these dudes can do it as well as petey. The jumping Adam Cole style one is just horrible
Moves change with the times. I remember when a leg drop, a sleeper hold, a DDT, a lariat, a splash and so on were enough to get the job done. Now the athlete's are stronger and faster.
This logic doesn't track at all because a lot of the old school guys were bigger than most of the guys who are currently in AEW's roster. As it stands, JBL still has a meaner clothesline than most active guys in the business.
Just because the leg drop is no longer a finisher doesn't mean you should nerf all other finishers. That logic doesn't make sense at all. The superkick and sleeper hold can still be a finisher today if they protected it.
Goldberg's spear always worked for me psychologically because he had insanely large traps and deltoids. Edge also had really wide and sharp looking shoulders so it made more sense psychologically. I think the physical attributes of a wrestler can play a huge factor in setup of a finish.
Edge had the build but rarely the execution, and I don't know if that's entirely on him or the person selling, but most of the time it looked like a running hug to the floor.
I hate how people now use finishers all the time, or they have to hit an opponent multiple times for it to work. It used to be one and done, maybe a kickout to light up the crowd. Now it seem like they hit 5 before the 3 count.
Just to clarify on the last part about the rear naked choke and the sleeper; has nothing to do with where the hand is. For the sleeper hold, a proper one in MMA/grappling, your aim is to block the blood to the brain by applying pressure to the side of the neck. Done properly, the guy in it is out after a few seconds. To safely do it, for in the WWE, just don't apply the pressure. The rear naked choke though, is all about applying pressure on the windpipe in the throat. Meaning, you work your forearm underneath the chin, and begin choking. In practice, for MMA, ducking the chin down is the simplest way to, at least, by time to work your way out. Once again, the best way to work it in WWE, don't actually apply pressure.
Everyone has their preferences, but when a move requires significant cooperation from the person taking the move in order to pull it off, it crosses the line of being eye-rolling for me. The first time I saw the Spanish Fly, I thought it looked cool but it was also unbelievable for all the wrong reasons. The first time I saw the Canadian Destroyer, I thought "This is the dumbest wrestling move I have ever seen."
If i recall correctly, it was the ps3 i believe that iraq had ordered a bunch of. Because with Linux installed you can hook them up together as a supercomputer. Even colleges were doing it at one point because it was legit the cheapest way to build a supercomputer.
With Goldberg, technically the spear was set up in the jackhammer was his finish. The spear I guess in kayfabe was just so strong no one ever tried to escape from the jackhammer.
Difference between a sleeper and a rear naked choke is down to the position of the hand that's not around the other guy's neck. For a sleeper, the other hand generally goes on top of the other guy's head or on their forehead. For a proper rear naked choke, the other hand goes behnd the head and pushes the neck into the crook of the elbow.
the rear naked choke, or any choke, cuts off the air supply to the lungs by closing off the airway/throat. most chokes also cut off blood flow to the brain which is why people go out so quick.
"did Paul burchill invent the Spanish fly?" So his logic was a dude from Guildford in England would name a move the Spanish fly? Haha As for Canadian destroyer I remember on an interview once Petey said how much he regrets inventing it (well Scott d'amore) as its just a random whatever move now
I think Hogan said he wished he had chosen something else as his finish because decades of landing on his ass did a number on his back. I remember a similar story from Stone Cold where he said they were international and "Stone Cold" was supposed to run down and give everyone a stunner in order to send the fans home happy. He said he wasn't in the mood to come crashing down on his ass 5 or 6 times that night, so he instead ran down and doled out chair shots. When I was a kid the stunner seemed like one of the better moves to deliver because I didn't consider being a 225+ pound person dropping most of your weight straight down onto your tailbone. It made me feel so bad fro Bobby Eaton landing on his butt with that top rope leg drop.
The People's Elbow, probably in the top five most preposterous wrestling moves ever, is also in the top five most over finishers ever. It's all about psychology and protection.
14:05 - Jim Cornette would talk about this a lot, & people would get on him for being too old in his thinking. It's absolutely true though. Admittedly though, prime ECW was one of the big breakers of the "don't go to the floor" rule.
The Canadian Destroyer was once the greatest finisher when Petey Williams used to do it. AEW ruined it just like it has ruined so many other big spots in wrestling.
Ospreay is by far one of the biggest offenders of ruining finishers. The man does a Styles Clash and it never ends a match. He usually does other guys' finishers in a match at any given time before he wins with his own finisher, and i don't understand why the IWC loves him so much for it.
It was actually a bunch of PS2's in Iraq, used for military purposes. Similar feats were done with the PS3. I think those two consoles were used because their architecture was so different from PCs of their era (and the PS3 in particular had a VERY unique architecture that was too ahead of its time), whereas by the time of the PS4, gaming consoles basically resembled PCs.
ps3's with the cell architecture were able be combined into a super computer they were used even in this country that way, no idea why they would use ps2's for anything besides being able to run linux and they were cheap in the second half of their lifespan
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Per Rhyno in an interview, "I do the Gore, and no one has kicked out of it. If they kicked out, I accidentally did a Spear."
came to the comments cus i knew someone would have quoted that interview 😂😂😂
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I love it!!!
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Superkick is literally a standard strike unless your initials are HBK nowadays 😂
17 in one match at mania 40. Worst of both nights
i understand the sentiment but things evolve for a reason
if the show didn’t evolve no one would watch
It’s one reason why I hate the old bucks. All they do is super kicks. One after another
@@showtime1235 I understand that sentiment also but I'm a fan of a spinning wheel kick over a superkick if I ain't planning on going home.
@@showtime1235 You can evolve without nerfing the superkick.
The Canadian Destroyer being turned into a transitional move sums up everything wrong with modern pro wrestling.
It’s a pretty choreographed move that makes minimal sense. Doesn’t make the Canadian destroyer being turned into a transitional move any less problematic.
@@robertt9342... So is like 95% of Pro Wrestling.
Ricochet would disagree with this and say "ha,haaahhh!"
Facts
Choreographed like every other move. At least it looks fancy.@@robertt9342
Shawn treated the kick like a death blow. The build before the connection, the response after. That's how it should have stayed.
The superkick used to be the setup for HBK's Teardrop Suplex.
@@dsadams17 I remember that they'd spin after the kick and he'd hook them, that suplex was a weak finisher though didn't look a whole lot different than a basic belly to back suplex
Tell that to Rikishi 20 years ago
Love this comment, couldn’t agree more!!
whats interetsing is if ya go back to the beginning of his singles career ya will see he used Sweet Chin Music as a setup move for the side backspluex or backbreaker whichever one did. somebody suggested he use the suprkick as a finisher and here we are.
I can't believe how people destroyed the mystique of the canadian destroyer. When I first saw it the first time when Petey did it I was freaked out.
I agree when I first saw Petey Williams did the canadian destroyer. I jumped out of my seat saying WOW what a Finisher, now Everyone is doing it, it lost that wow factor
Nah it looks dumb and unbelievable
Agreed! I was amazed the 1st time I saw it done. Amazing Red was so awesome as well.
Isn't Petey one of the producers of the WWE?
@@kenterminateddq5311Yes
Jake the Snake said the DDT doesn't mean anything when others do it, but it matters when he does it. I like that take and helped me be more open to the idea
Other guys know the physical application but only master's like Jake the Snake know how to properly manipulate their Chi to give it that knockout affect. also Jake has "tendon strength". *Oh it's true...
Do it, not abuse it ..
Plus, u reminded me of what Matt Hardy said about an NXT talent using his Twist Of Fate, he kinda said ; "If they do it & it doesn't finish the match then i do it better"... Before giving his approval.
Jake's is STILL the best, most devastating looking one as well.
Jake had ring psychology around his DDT. Watch his matches, he would set it up with the punches, short arm clothes line and most of the time once Jake got to the build up Ted Dibiase or Rick Martel would get away. Jake would hit that finisher on PPV or if it was a Saturday nights main event, he’d hit it but there was always a catch. The match was over or Jake got a hold of the manager and if he didn’t get to hit it, out came the snake! Sad part is AEW has Jake and NOBODY is making use of his knowledge.
Because his was violant looking.
Gangrels at a close second since he would jump into it.
Richards knowing the SAT created the Spanish Fly as their team finish is class to start this video off.
A rare moment where I knew something that James didnt
They didnt though, Naomichi Marufuji did and he called it the Shiranui Kai.
The SAT (aka the Spanish Announce Team, aka Los Maximos) are Jose, Juan and Wil Maximo, they’ve mostly stuck to the indie circuit over the past 20+ years but they’ve had significant runs in ROH, early TNA, Chikara, CZW, and more recently GCW. Fun fact, the three Maximos are real-life brothers and also cousins of Amazing Red and Zelina Vega.
Oh damn another wrestling family
Maybe it's my old brain but I only remember 2 Maximos. Jose and Joel.
They used to roll with the Amazing Red. I was shocked when dude didn't know em as a bit of a wrestling researcher
Exactly. SATs and Amazing Red were old school TNA… along with the flying Elvises
Yes and they didnt invent the move either, Naomichi Marufuji did and called it the Shiranui Kai.
Gangrel's Impaler was perfect. It made the vanilla DDT look so much more devastating, it still protected the opponent and it had a really cool name.
The Canadian Destroyer being turned into a transition move greatly bothers me for several reasons, the main one being: it's a flipping pile driver... pile drivers are moves that will cause extreme harm to someone's head, neck and spine. A pile driver done at FULL force with the head directly impacting the ground can cause permanent serious damage (what happened to Steve Austin is a prime example). The flip adds more momentum to the pile driver (making it more destructive). In other words, it's greatly annoys me to see someone give someone else the Canadian Destroyer only to see that wrestler pop back up two seconds later as if nothing happened. That's the equivalent of watching a Friday the 13th movie where Jason slams a camp counselor to the ground, head first, and two seconds later the camp counselor pops back up and starts running around as if nothing happened. That seriously messes up suspension of disbelief.
Bad take
Correct take
How is that a bad take, this is why wrestling sucks these days no moves mean anything it's just an acrobatic monkey circus
@@alexandermontejo447 Lol what a filthy casual. No real wrestling fan would defend no-selling. Selling is literally one of the core foundations of make-believe fighting.
@@alexandermontejo447 Are you f*ckin brain dead?
Bron Breaker made the spear special again. He has the best spear ever
The move only looks good when a guy who looks like they should be playing (American)football does it.
Odd how WWE is now calling the piledriver a banned move, but had Canadian Destroyers which weren't even finishers.
Basic Piledriver is banned but front flip Piledriver every Friday.
Pretty much only Andrade does it and even then it’s not that often, plus it looks much more safe than a real pile driver
Piledriver done incorrectly really messes up the neck I know the Destroyer can do the same thing but Owen vs Austin best example
@@markmagician2471 clearly a piledriver can be dangerous, but Owen's piledriver was a reverse piledriver not a traditional piledriver and Owen didn't have the build to do it. Bam Bam used to use it all the time in WCW and it was very safe. Rikishi did as well.
@geneanthony3421 I knew Tombstone was also very dangerous and Undertaker I know was one of the few allowed to use it and Kane too
Wasn't Goldberg's spear just a set up for his finisher the Jackammer?
Yep
Now females do it and it looks stupid, zero power and highly unbelievable. 🤣
It’s ridiculous the Canadian destroyer would ever be anything except a finisher.
When I first saw Sid do a power bomb, I thought he was killing people. Now, everyone does it, multiple times, on furniture.
furniture from Home Depot, Lowe's or IKEA...
When I saw Vader powerbomb a guy the first time. I thought,”yup he’s never waking again.”
The abdominal stretch took decades to become "just a move", along with the figure 4. The canadian destroyer because "just a move" as soon as anyone other than Petey Williams started doing it.
Every 150lb dork with a Twitch account and a fake tan does the Panama Fly Destroyer now.
RVD sold the DDT and the piledriver better than anyone else. And Samoa Joe not only made submission wrestling legit, but also introduced the walk away from the dive spot.
Dynamite kid was doing the walk away spot in the 80s, shinjiro ohtani in the 90s.
The People's Elbow, probably in the top five most preposterous wrestling moves ever, is also in the top five most over finishers ever. It's all about psychology and protection.
Piledriver = banned
Overhead flipping piledriver = transitional move
Jumping punch = finisher/set-up
Consistency? What's that?
"Did anyone do an outside move and win?"
Cactus Jack. The Cactus Elbow from the apron to the floor.
Akira Taue's chokeslam off the apron should also count, in the psychological aspect of "he can't actually PIN anyone with that, but if he hits this big outside move he'll probably win the match later".
Mick called it The Hip Buster 😉
@pascalmarceillant2671 not 1 lie detected
They let Curtis Axel do the Perfectplex and everyone was kicking out of it! Why bury Mr Perfect's move like that
It's just a fisherman's suplex, if anyone buried it it was Mr Perfect by bringing it to the midcard.
Stevie is really funny to the point of being under rated. just the dry-ness and facials kill me from time to time.
Look how Austin sold bretts sharp shooter when he passed out, pure excellence. he limped all the way back to guerilla with two refs. THAT'S HOW ITS DONE fr.
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Goldberg is known for his spear. However, Goldberg's finish is the Jackhammer
Edge was originally a joke for using it back when he started..but then again the Edgeacuton blew.
Michael's using the superkick was perfect because he was such a tiny pipsqueak & it was believeable he could beat anyone with a kick to the face.
Also, I went to an AEW combined taping, every single match featured a "Canadian Destroyer". Even the Dustin match. I was flabbergasted at how dumb that was
AEW doesn't believe in wrestling psychology. When I saw someone do it from inside the ring to the table outside and it not end the match is when I knew that company jumped the shark.
Honestly a spear should always be a signature setup move., even with Goldberg. Edge’s spear wasn’t believable.
@@robertt9342 I disagree. I've taken one and it hurts.
Jey Uso has this amazing back suplex into a neckbreaker and I'm furious that it isn't his finish
Hes too busy getting his corny yeet gimmick over for the kids. 🤣
Even finishers don’t finish anymore. The opponent has to be hit with the same finisher 3-4 times before the 3 count half of the time. One of my biggest gripes about modern pro wrestling.
This is one of the reasons I hate the Cross Rhodes. Not only is it weak as hell, Cody always has to hit, like, three of them to win.
I feel like the Canadian Destroyer was once in the same tier as the Burning Hammer, then the "I can't believe *insert wrestler here* hit a Canadian Destroyer!" trend happened and it was all downhill from there. I blame Ricky Morton specifically.
I remember as a kid being scared to death of the chicken wing. The way they had that build between Bob vs Hart had him looking like a beast with that move. He was a good heal then.
I had a had time watching that. We would describe my feelings of that in todays vernacular as feud as cringy.
Chicken wing is a legit move in amateur wrestling and I've personally torn my rotator cuff from a kid I wrestled and he was a dirty wrestler and cranked it up which is illegal because it tears your rotator cuff
Bob Backlund's finishing move was called the Cross-faced Chicken Wing.
SAT's are still wrestling now. the Spanish Fly worked best as a tag team move, but from a single opponent, it takes away the strength because now both wrestlers have to help each other so that the move will work. As a tag team, both tag team partners can have complete control of the Spanish Fly. SAT have a school now that Chavo Guerrero is helping with.
I agree, you know your stuff man. I can’t stand seeing a guy do a Spanish fly and do it wrong and land on top of the guy. As a tag finish it makes much more sense. I didn’t know Chavo was helping out with the school that’s dope
The Canadian destroyer is the one that pisses me off the most. Like nobody should be kicking out of that move & EVERYBODY shouldn't be doing it. I'm training to become a wrestler myself & as a kid i always said id use the destroyer as a finish, but now i feel like nobody would ever take it serious as a finisher now.
As an independent professional wrestler I can tell you they won't. Nobody I wrestle with uses it because it can't be used as a finisher. Keep going, and you will find what suits you
@toby-aprilseegren3872 Yeah, I've only been training for a few months now, so far I've settled on a jumping superkick but the goal is to have something nobody else has by my 1st match. I definitely have some new ideas for moves coming up. Maybe some day we'll clash 😎
@17:00 Cactus Jack's old finish used to be an elbow drop off the apron to the outside, so he'd have to toss the opponent into the ring to get the pin.
Came to the comments to say this!
Talking about Goldberg's spear sending them to a place where they're half out and Goldberg is just knocked out from planting himself had me laughing.
When i was an active independent wrestler before covid hit, when i saw so many wrestlers using a standard ddt, I switched it up to the double arm ddt and the devils lock ddt. I always tried to do a variation of a move that the fans have already seen.
DDT variations are some of my favorite moves next to powerbomb variations.
I’d say that both of those moves are finishes. Doing too much bro.
Nobody ever does a front bump DDT, like Christians reverse DDT where he kicks back and falls forward
@@ryanmellor2238 because it is dangerous
My favorite was Mick Foley and the falling version, not the snap double arm everyone is doing.
Man, can we talk about modern wrestlers stealing my swanton bomb finishing maneuver man? And most times it doesn't even end the match Man! Man, I'm going back to North Carolina to tell my Stoner friend Shannon about this video man!
Man I love Markyd!
@@jbrone1965Shuv it man!
That's crazy maaaaaaaaaan I feel you maaaaaaaaaaaan come to my house maaaaaaaaan
UA-cam deleted my comment, which was just MarkyD's catchphrase. Weak.
Markyd123 is the best wrestling UA-camr. An old man like me can appreciate a younger man having old school sensibilities.
The super kick, the spear, the DDT, frog splash and the cutter all used to be finishers that u knew no one was kicking out of it
Never forget the Bad Bunny Canadian Destroyer.
i honestly marked the hell out when he hit that on John Morrison
I hate the Uso's superkick. It's annoying, it doesn't look good, and they do it like 5x per match. It's like 1975 Jerry Lawler doing 5x piledrivers per match. Stupid.
God can you imagine how bad an Usos vs Youngbucks match would be? Theyd superkick each other for 20 minutes straight. 🤣
Honestly surprised Bron didn't get mentioned for having a good spear.
Perfect plex is perfect example of this video and Jake's DDT used to feel like a brain trauma or something ddt used to be special like piledriver.
When I was a kid the DDT put on by Jake was so badass. It was honestly my favorite finisher back then
Since AEW debuted on tv, I have seen the fisherman suplex more often.
Loved the perfect Plex as a kid
@@mquigg25me too. Mr Perfect was my first favorite wrestler. When I used to wrestle with my friends , I would win with the Perfect Plex.
@@mquigg25 perfect Plex is a perfect finisher for wrestlers like gunther
There was an indie show where someone kicked out of a burning hammer that was a "wtf" moment.
30 years ago, my favorite move was Mick Foleys double arm DDT or even Ravens. Now everyone does it lol. 😂😂😂😂
The announcer's table spot is not a finisher but every match goes to the table
I miss the cutter as a finisher. When DDP landed it, people went absolutely nuts.
The first time that I saw the Canadian destroyer I lost my shit and now it's a throw away move
Shoutout the S.A.T.
The maximo brothers are amazing.
Love to see it
I'm pretty sure the move with Cena is the sunset flip powerbomb he did on Styles. It's not a canadian destroyer but still a move nobody expected him to pull out.
The all time destroyed finisher has to be the DDT. Absolutely a dreaded move when Jake did it. Later wrestlers used it overwhelmingly as a transition and "2 count" move to the point that it's difficult to take the DDT seriously except when Jake (and wrestlers from his timeframe) do it. Move ruined thanks to overuse and not being promoted for its lethality anymore.
Raven, Jake the SNake and Arn had the best DDTs.
Spanish fly is the stupidest move I've ever seen. Makes no sense.
Calm down. Wrestling’s pre determined. You’re gonna be okay Bob
Makes perfect sense if you understand lucha libre psychology....
Rhyno said that no one kicked out of The Gore, when they did he said it was a Spear 😅.
I’m not aware of any of the move Gunter uses to finish matches having a special name. Just powerbomb, chockhold, lariat, splash etc.
Powerbomb - Tenryu Powerbomb, Rear Naked Choke - Gojira Clutch, Lariat - Burning Lariat, Emerald Flowsion - The Last Symphony
When people start kicking out of your finishing move it is no longer a finisher it's just a move.
Like he said with Jake. Just don't do it unless you win the match with it. I use the DDT when I wrestle people who know me know it's coming. If I hit it, it's over. There's times I'll grab the guy and he squirms out and ppl will actually go "aww" doesn't matter if there was 100 DDTS that night I guess ppl will say "damn but his laid that guy out".
You can build a match around two guys. One with a DDT finish one with a figure four. I can think of at least 6 matches with those finishes.
Now, what gets me is false finishes. That killed a lot of it.
SAT invented the Spanish Fly and it was later adapted by Nova and Frankie Kazarian as the Flux Capacitor. Frankie then started to do the 1 man Flux Capacitor and Paul Burchill started to do the Standing Spanish Fly calling it C4. Every single time the move was used as a finish until they bastardized it.
Actually Naomichi Marufuji invented it and called it the Shiranui Kai.
@An0n_ym0u5 Frankie debuted in 98 which is the same year as Marufuji so unless Marufuji did it before 01 then Frankie did it first.
@@allmightylowercasejay1138 look it up, takes you no less than 5 seconds to find.
Every finisher means nothing because these big tough wrestlers have egos made of glass and they refuse to lose clean anymore.
I haven't watched pro wrestling in year but I listen to videos like this where it's discussed. When I heard that AEW had "issues" with Alistar Black (sp?) because he decided it would "hurt his character" for him to be pinned, I wondered "why would anyone agree to those terms?" Maybe there would be a big pay off when someone finally did pin him, but the way it was presented made it seem as though he simply had an ego problem and didn't want to lose.
One winged Angel. It has never been kicked out of.
@@King0fAllPixelskota ibushi did, but he's the only one. It's very protected.
People hate on Vince Russo but he and Piper were having an interview about a decade ago and I heard Russo call wrestling at the time Video Game wrestling and the modern day wrestling, especially indies and AEW are just that. Doing the most devastating looking moves but popping right back up and not selling it.
It’s become a check list. Where both wrestlers have to do all their movies
I know what Stevie is talking about when it comes to the Spanish fly. The first time I saw it was in ROH during a Scramble Cage match. I believe the was the show where Teddy Hart went into business for himself and started doing unplanned spots and got legit beat up by The Carnage Crew.
I was at that show! The other wrestlers were PISSED at Teddy!
Choke is applying pressure to cut off the air, Sleeper is cutting the blood supply. Taz's was closer to a (gi assisted) choke.
Yup. I've heard of the sleeper / rnc being described as a blood choke. Referees used to check the sleeper wasn't across the throat as that would be an illegal move. Taz's sleeper had the forearms across each side of the neck but on bigger opponents it sometimes turned into more of a choke across the windpipe
Even Virgil could do a Canadian Destroyer. Time to give that move a rest.
Lol Stevia roasting Goldbergs spear lol it's brilliant
I feel like there’s multiple ways to look at it . They may have diluted the moves, but the way I see it all it does is continue to sell how good the OG was at giving it . The move doesn’t finish the match the wrestler does and some are better at delivering certain moves than others . Clearly Jimmy & Jey can’t kick as hard as Shawn Michaels
I miss the days when a finisher was actually a finisher and finished the match. One of the TNA storylines that sticks out in my head was just based around Petey Williams and the Canadian Destroyer. Petey was X Division champ and winning his matches with the Destroyer and then along came Chris Sabin who said he knew a way to beat it or get out of it. The finisher meant something and you don't want to be on the receiving end of it and you want to try to figure out ways to not get hit with it. AMAZING! Nowadays finishers mean nothing and it'll take 3-5 finishers to keep even a midcarder down. Just takes me out of a match and its one of the reasons I'm not as invested into wrestling as much as I used to be. If nothing means nothing, then why am I watching? It's one of the things that killed AEW for me. One match was supposed to be like a revenge match where Team A took out a member of this stable and Team B wants to get revenge so they do this "big" match to get revenge and they do stuff where they all got each other by the wrists and do that stupid arm wave thing. Or Young Bucks vs Penta and Fenix and I can't remember if it was superkicks or Destroyers but Nick hit lets say Fenix with a superkick, who kips up and nails Matt with a superkick, who kips up and nails Penta, who kips up and nails Nick who kips up and nails Fenix and they all fall down. I just remember that and was shaking my head at it and that kinda just killed it for me. WWE does it too. I remember being so bored of the Zayn/Owens vs Uso stuff cause for most of it, nothing meant nothing and I just tuned out.
The Abdominal Stretch hurts! Feels like your stomach being drawn and quartered.
Roman's guillotine was a pretty cool way to end a match for a heel.
goldberg rhyno and bron breakker has to be right up there
Hope everyone here had a great holiday! I’m so happy I found this channel. Stevie, James and Chris are the best. Have a happy new year!😊
Petey did it the best and it was protected. It’s ruined now and not one of these dudes can do it as well as petey. The jumping Adam Cole style one is just horrible
I would say Edge's spear looks like it has a really good snap to it, he probably has one of my favorite spears.
Lashley’s spear is good, he does the flip
Matt Hardy's Twist of Fate is probably my favorite variation on the DDT
I always loved Lashleys spear too, he had the physique to sell it. The ones against Big show were particularly funny though
You two are ships in the night sometimes, but there's a lot of promise for when you reach the same location- well done James and Stevie
Moves change with the times. I remember when a leg drop, a sleeper hold, a DDT, a lariat, a splash and so on were enough to get the job done. Now the athlete's are stronger and faster.
And dumber too apparently.
Name an "athlete today" who would not get SMOKED by a prime Stan Hansen lariat?
This logic doesn't track at all because a lot of the old school guys were bigger than most of the guys who are currently in AEW's roster. As it stands, JBL still has a meaner clothesline than most active guys in the business.
Hell... John Studds finisher was a body slam! Lol
Just because the leg drop is no longer a finisher doesn't mean you should nerf all other finishers. That logic doesn't make sense at all. The superkick and sleeper hold can still be a finisher today if they protected it.
Edge spear was trash asf
It still is lol
Agreed....100%
Yeah his spear has always looked garbage, the move itself is Lame shit belongs in rugby
preeech brother
As someone who loves Edge I agree I never really bought in to his spear.
One of the worst and how it was a finisher is beyond me, baley to baley suplex...
Scott Steiner's release belly to belly was a work of art. It does depend on who is doing it.
Goldberg's spear always worked for me psychologically because he had insanely large traps and deltoids. Edge also had really wide and sharp looking shoulders so it made more sense psychologically. I think the physical attributes of a wrestler can play a huge factor in setup of a finish.
Edge had the build but rarely the execution, and I don't know if that's entirely on him or the person selling, but most of the time it looked like a running hug to the floor.
Kairi Sane’s spear looks awesome James
Bron Breakker has a killer spear.
I hate seeing someone do the Canadian Destroyer.
Such a cool looking move but the devastation of the move is undersold.
The mystigue is gone.
I hate how people now use finishers all the time, or they have to hit an opponent multiple times for it to work. It used to be one and done, maybe a kickout to light up the crowd. Now it seem like they hit 5 before the 3 count.
Just to clarify on the last part about the rear naked choke and the sleeper; has nothing to do with where the hand is. For the sleeper hold, a proper one in MMA/grappling, your aim is to block the blood to the brain by applying pressure to the side of the neck. Done properly, the guy in it is out after a few seconds. To safely do it, for in the WWE, just don't apply the pressure.
The rear naked choke though, is all about applying pressure on the windpipe in the throat. Meaning, you work your forearm underneath the chin, and begin choking. In practice, for MMA, ducking the chin down is the simplest way to, at least, by time to work your way out. Once again, the best way to work it in WWE, don't actually apply pressure.
Everyone has their preferences, but when a move requires significant cooperation from the person taking the move in order to pull it off, it crosses the line of being eye-rolling for me. The first time I saw the Spanish Fly, I thought it looked cool but it was also unbelievable for all the wrong reasons. The first time I saw the Canadian Destroyer, I thought "This is the dumbest wrestling move I have ever seen."
I said the same thing about the Irish Whip
Honestly I've always liked the slower brutish crap heels did.
If i recall correctly, it was the ps3 i believe that iraq had ordered a bunch of. Because with Linux installed you can hook them up together as a supercomputer. Even colleges were doing it at one point because it was legit the cheapest way to build a supercomputer.
With Goldberg, technically the spear was set up in the jackhammer was his finish. The spear I guess in kayfabe was just so strong no one ever tried to escape from the jackhammer.
The Superkick, DDT, Top-rope Superplex.
Never heard this before
"The opposite of take a shot, throw up a little bit" 😂
Difference between a sleeper and a rear naked choke is down to the position of the hand that's not around the other guy's neck. For a sleeper, the other hand generally goes on top of the other guy's head or on their forehead. For a proper rear naked choke, the other hand goes behnd the head and pushes the neck into the crook of the elbow.
Stevie Richards is great in these videos.
the rear naked choke, or any choke, cuts off the air supply to the lungs by closing off the airway/throat. most chokes also cut off blood flow to the brain which is why people go out so quick.
Rnc is a blood choke u got out in less than 10 seconds of your air flow is cut off they are doing it wrong
"did Paul burchill invent the Spanish fly?"
So his logic was a dude from Guildford in England would name a move the Spanish fly? Haha
As for Canadian destroyer I remember on an interview once Petey said how much he regrets inventing it (well Scott d'amore) as its just a random whatever move now
I remember in ROH Young Bucks hit 51 superkicks back at Global Wars 2016 when Adam Cole joined Bullet Club.
As long as the young ducks are employed I will never take wrestling seriously
I think Stevie could turn AEW around with his knowledge and booking. Him and Maven are a breath of fresh air.
The Leg Drop, a shame it's not a finisher anymore XD
Any move can be a finish, and it’s definitely still used.
I think Hogan said he wished he had chosen something else as his finish because decades of landing on his ass did a number on his back. I remember a similar story from Stone Cold where he said they were international and "Stone Cold" was supposed to run down and give everyone a stunner in order to send the fans home happy. He said he wasn't in the mood to come crashing down on his ass 5 or 6 times that night, so he instead ran down and doled out chair shots. When I was a kid the stunner seemed like one of the better moves to deliver because I didn't consider being a 225+ pound person dropping most of your weight straight down onto your tailbone. It made me feel so bad fro Bobby Eaton landing on his butt with that top rope leg drop.
The People's Elbow, probably in the top five most preposterous wrestling moves ever, is also in the top five most over finishers ever. It's all about psychology and protection.
Always loved Roman’s spear felt like a superhero doing it the way he leaps with it
14:05 - Jim Cornette would talk about this a lot, & people would get on him for being too old in his thinking. It's absolutely true though. Admittedly though, prime ECW was one of the big breakers of the "don't go to the floor" rule.
The Canadian Destroyer was once the greatest finisher when Petey Williams used to do it. AEW ruined it just like it has ruined so many other big spots in wrestling.
Ospreay is by far one of the biggest offenders of ruining finishers. The man does a Styles Clash and it never ends a match. He usually does other guys' finishers in a match at any given time before he wins with his own finisher, and i don't understand why the IWC loves him so much for it.
It was actually a bunch of PS2's in Iraq, used for military purposes. Similar feats were done with the PS3. I think those two consoles were used because their architecture was so different from PCs of their era (and the PS3 in particular had a VERY unique architecture that was too ahead of its time), whereas by the time of the PS4, gaming consoles basically resembled PCs.
ps3's with the cell architecture were able be combined into a super computer they were used even in this country that way, no idea why they would use ps2's for anything besides being able to run linux and they were cheap in the second half of their lifespan
The US marine does it too i believe, I've read it somewhere .
The Spanish Fly, and Canadian Destroyer, both make my eyes roll to the back of my head these days.