@@nastyguy3841 His unfinished 2021 lap would have been around 1:27.250, but that's based only on sector 1 and 2. We don't know how much faster sector 3 would have been.
Not sure if you’re trying to keep it simple but you also must mention the margins, Max is trying to make the course as straight as possible by coming within millimeters of the wall while Lewis leaves a foot and a half. Max is showing us what perfection looks like. He’s Sim racing in the real thing
I see that too, and it is very clear to see. Maybe Lewis was taking it easy in 21. He had a mainwing plane that opened constantly, a sort of drs “light” that was constantly open so he could afford to take less risk.
@@ytwos1 Hamilton is still far from the walls. Hamilton is just slightly above average in qualifying, he always has been. That's why he loses so often in qualifying to many different teammates. And then always blames the setup of the car.
What's insane to me is how Verstappen seems to be closer to the walls constantly. In both cases they didn't have to really take risks, yet Verstappen doesn't care :')
Being close to the wall doesn't necessarily mean there is a risk. When you can control the car that well, it is just "driving close to the wall". What happened in 2021 was not because of "driving close to the wall" but by losing it in the corner. Then you will hit the wall no matter how close you are.
@@LuizHartkopf the tiny bit of extra weight means absolutely nothing if the cars produce more down force...it seems a lot of you have no clue at all about cars
@@Not_dev1 It's not easy to go faster when reducing power. Acceleration wise they'll be about the same, but top speed will suffer, and with the changes in aero they're tweak the rules to pretty much enforce inwash. The floor will be shorter as well as they're reducing the size/weight of the cars. So downforce will be much lower, drag will thankfully be less. However I expect that top speed tracks will suffer a lot. The electric power will pretty much only be used at corner exit and the cars will essentially be at top speed for half a straight.
It's very impressive how in only 2 years the teams on the front managed to getting thr cars at the same velocity of the one in the previous era that took them so much more time to get at that point! 🤯
Mate the rules changed a bit in 21 regarding the rear end they had achieved this very early like in 2019 jeddah wasn't a track then, also if max had finished the 21 lap it would've be the fastest still
Ground-effect cars have huge amounts of downforce so it’s expected to beat the 2021 lap time considering those cars weren’t as fast as the 2020 machines for example
Yeah but from 2020 to 2021 cars they lost around 10 - 15 percent downforce which is enough to complete with current generation cars. We will see as the season goes on.
@@UIracingyeah and 2020-2021 cars were developed with a significantly higher budget. Budget cap didn’t come in until the 2021 season, so 2020, which is when they build the 2021 cars and in the off season. They had a budget of 450 million. These current cars have a 140 mil budget and limited testing time.
@@Kaimax61stop being a dishonest fanboy. Any driver comfortable in a car at F1 level WILL fly. Its all about confidence. Checo beat Max fair and square early 22 and 23 with a neutral car before it went maxs way. Stupid DTS fans with internet access.
@@oransjballso you're saying that perez is a bad driver that can't adapt 😅 season is 20+ races not 3-4 lil bro it doesn't matter if perez can steal a race here and there
It really isn't, the 2021 cars were way slower than the 2020 cars due to regulation changes, on average at least 2 seconds slower. It's also 4 years of development not 7 because the 2014-2016 regulations were completely different aside from the engines
Interesting comparison, but it misses something important - track condition. The slightest variations to temperature wind etc can make a significant difference. Try to include in future videos!
Can you do a vid similar to this but with the fastest sectors set in 2021 and then compare it to the 2024 pole lap? (Max had the fastest first and second sector in 2021 but idk who had the fastest third sector though)
A comparison between Norris vs Hamilton during the race seems an interesting idea for a video. In the race we saw how the mclaren completely destroys the mercedes through the high speed corners yet hamilton was able to nab back almost all the time that he lost in the second and the third sectors.
what im seeing his RB running higher downforce than merc with magic DRS which so so much more effective compared to not just prev gen cars but every other teams currently
interesting how much beautification they've done to the run off areas. in 2021 it was just black tarmac, now it doesn't seem like there is any run off area that isn't painted bright colors.
Waiting for these cars to reach the prime era level (2018-2020). Maybe next year 😅 I don't see the RB20 challenging these cars yet: RB15, SF71H, RB16, W09 EQ Power+, SF90, W10 EQ Power+ and W11 EQ Performance (the 7 fastest F1 in history)
realistically i think the absolute most important part as to why 2024 beat 2021 is less to do with drs top speed and all to do with being able to keep if flat out in the super fast left right in sector 1, drs speed is good but its basically diminished by the tightening of turn 22 and its 30 km/h speed loss
1 note.. Mercedes were running an engine that only had to last 3 races. They defenitly turned up the power. If it was not for that gap would've probaply been bigger
Ground effect cars are just superior imagine these cars with the advanced suspension of the previous gen and and lighter weight they would be ahead of 2020 cars
Worth noting that the Engines since 2022 are using E10 fuel and most likely lost power compared to 2021, despite everybodys best effort to regain that power for 2022.
@@Garage_Distinct_Clips lewis took a 4th engine in Japan 21 and then the 5th after Brazil with 3 more races to go, he basically received the only way to keep up with max for the last 6 races of the season.. you better check your facts
Ok guys sure it's faster..but it's a very draggy circuit..compare the W11 lap of Spain, Spa or other real circuit.. Still impressive to see in two years the engineer what have done in terms of development of these concept of cars!
Someone needs to build the ultimate unrestricted f1 car. Minimal weight, combination for ground effect and body aero, unrestricted engine (possibly not a v6 >:) ). That would be mental!
I know its an analysis video. but the explanation in between kinda disrupt the continuity, the flow of the video. perhaps you can put the original non-explanation version at the back after the explanation edit. Just sharing my thoughts, no offence intended. Love your contents.
In the 2021 cars defense, the track was new and was still very slippery as drivers would complain about the little grip they had and Lewis didn't make a perfect lap as he missed a few apexes but still very impressive from the RB20
Is it fair to compare these vehicles at this race? In 2021 Jeddah was the penultimate race, while in 2024 it is the second. Mercedes was able to develop the W12 substantially by that point.
mostly a display of how much better max takes a quali lap, look how close he is to the walls. Maybe lewis was being more relaxed after he and bottas both crashed max out of the WDC points gap.
to those mentioning how verstappen is much closer to the walls: the wheels are bigger than in 2021... dont measure the distance from the top of the wheel to the height of the advertisements on the barriers. But yes, verstappen does get closer to the walls than lewis or any other driver for that matter, the only one that gets closer 6 times in a season is lance stroll.
Verstappen Jeddah 2024 vs His unfinished 2021 Q3 lap: ua-cam.com/video/2Hpm-U5FzHo/v-deo.html
Would love to see the comparison vs the unfinished lap of Max
apparently 2021 unfinished lap could have still been faster…
@@code01372pretty sure yeah
@@code01372Not so sure considering how 2024 is still faster than Hamilton's lap despite making corner 22 slower by 3-4 tenths
@@nastyguy3841 His unfinished 2021 lap would have been around 1:27.250, but that's based only on sector 1 and 2. We don't know how much faster sector 3 would have been.
@@kolosmenusI think he was like -.4 on the time at the last breaking zone
He did it by kissing all the walls on sector 1. Superhuman precision.
Verstappen tapped the walls twice on sector 1 and once in Sector 2.
honestly max could be the one to win 8 championship as long as he has the car. Even in his spare time he just races.
Having a lot of high speed corners was key here, that’s where these ground effect cars are faster.
Was 100% thinking the same thing.
Silverstone should be a treat to watch then
@@marufadinot just Silverstone, but Nurburgring also.
@@PC_Ringoimagine if RB20 takes a lap at Midfield Raceway...
Suzuka would be a treat to watch, if the condition is perfect this time around.
Not sure if you’re trying to keep it simple but you also must mention the margins, Max is trying to make the course as straight as possible by coming within millimeters of the wall while Lewis leaves a foot and a half. Max is showing us what perfection looks like. He’s Sim racing in the real thing
I see that too, and it is very clear to see. Maybe Lewis was taking it easy in 21. He had a mainwing plane that opened constantly, a sort of drs “light” that was constantly open so he could afford to take less risk.
@@ytwos1 Hamilton is still far from the walls. Hamilton is just slightly above average in qualifying, he always has been. That's why he loses so often in qualifying to many different teammates. And then always blames the setup of the car.
@@the1gladiator2 clueless
@@sonichenners281 Good argument there dumbass
What's insane to me is how Verstappen seems to be closer to the walls constantly. In both cases they didn't have to really take risks, yet Verstappen doesn't care :')
Being close to the wall doesn't necessarily mean there is a risk. When you can control the car that well, it is just "driving close to the wall".
What happened in 2021 was not because of "driving close to the wall" but by losing it in the corner. Then you will hit the wall no matter how close you are.
@@Rob2 Tell that to Stroll.
@@stysner4580 "When you can control the car". Not "when you are a tennisplayer with a rich dad".
@@Rob2 Think max said 2021 was because he didn't expect the massive overspead he had compared to previous run.
insane lap by max, like his 2021 lap but with the final corner
It's was the same lap by Max from 2021, but finished without a crash this time xD
Amazing driver, and mighty RB20
Max's phantom pole position in 2021 was 1:27.3. He couldn't beat his legendary lap in 2021 yet.
Disagree, that lap was way more on the limit than this one
The track has changed
@michakaminski5335 what's funny is Max wouldn't have crashed in '22. They widened that corner and gave it more room on the exit in '22
Beating previous lap record and with last corner being slower now is mind blowing.
Not many drivers can do such an insane lap with Turn 22 being quite tighter than in 2021.
Not as mind blowing as you think , can't you read 2024 cars have more down force ....now if this weren't the case then yes it would be mind blowing
@@phines92024 cars are also heavier
More downforce but more weight, less acceleration and earlier braking zones. @@phines9
@@LuizHartkopf the tiny bit of extra weight means absolutely nothing if the cars produce more down force...it seems a lot of you have no clue at all about cars
Rb20 is monster on track
Now imagine what the RB21 is going to be. It honestly might be the last actually fast F1 car for a long time after the new 2026 regulations.
@@456MrPeoplehopefully not. F1 cars should be going faster and forwards,not slower and backwards😢
Best F1 car of all time.
@@Not_dev1 It's not easy to go faster when reducing power. Acceleration wise they'll be about the same, but top speed will suffer, and with the changes in aero they're tweak the rules to pretty much enforce inwash. The floor will be shorter as well as they're reducing the size/weight of the cars. So downforce will be much lower, drag will thankfully be less.
However I expect that top speed tracks will suffer a lot. The electric power will pretty much only be used at corner exit and the cars will essentially be at top speed for half a straight.
@@Celciusify that will not be f1 then,screw those regs
It's very impressive how in only 2 years the teams on the front managed to getting thr cars at the same velocity of the one in the previous era that took them so much more time to get at that point! 🤯
Mate the rules changed a bit in 21 regarding the rear end they had achieved this very early like in 2019 jeddah wasn't a track then, also if max had finished the 21 lap it would've be the fastest still
@@Genshi54697 And 2020 was even faster than 2019
there were multiple rule changes to slow down the prev gen of cars, the 2021 cars for example is significantly slower than the 2020 cars
u slow af
@@antonisimagine2024 is faster than cars from 2021 and 2019 but not 2020.
It's crazy how fast this car is considering that it is 50kg heavier
Ground-effect cars have huge amounts of downforce so it’s expected to beat the 2021 lap time considering those cars weren’t as fast as the 2020 machines for example
Yeah but from 2020 to 2021 cars they lost around 10 - 15 percent downforce which is enough to complete with current generation cars. We will see as the season goes on.
@@UIracingyeah and 2020-2021 cars were developed with a significantly higher budget. Budget cap didn’t come in until the 2021 season, so 2020, which is when they build the 2021 cars and in the off season. They had a budget of 450 million. These current cars have a 140 mil budget and limited testing time.
Jeddah is where the ground effects cars really shine compared to the 2021-spec cars, lots of high speed corners
Would be interesting to see against his 2021 lap
It's coming.
@@yelistenerokay baby girl i am waiting for this action yeehaw biaa
@@yelisteneryo love that answer, waiting for that
@@yelisteneri still love the sounds of these 2021 F1 Cars. 2024 F1 Cars sounded like Twin Turbo Lawnmower.
@@purwantiallan5089this made me laugh a little bit, it is sad but true
That 2021 Merc engine when it was fresh had an incredible acceleration 🥵 But it's obvious that those cars were more draggy than current
Renault Alpine A521 also a bit draggy compared to A524.
It's very impressive too compare the 2 lap time as they happened. Thank you for sharing.
Here for the sounds!
The sounds of W12 2021 Car still is music in my ears.
I don’t know if it’s just the car but just see how much max pushes the car close to the wall etc.
"if it's just mostly the car", Perez shouldn't be +20s behind.
@@Kaimax61stop being a dishonest fanboy. Any driver comfortable in a car at F1 level WILL fly. Its all about confidence. Checo beat Max fair and square early 22 and 23 with a neutral car before it went maxs way. Stupid DTS fans with internet access.
Exactly.
@@oransjballWhen did checo beat max fair and square in 2023?
@@oransjballso you're saying that perez is a bad driver that can't adapt 😅 season is 20+ races not 3-4 lil bro it doesn't matter if perez can steal a race here and there
It's unbelievable the development in 2 years... compared to 7 years.... just unbelievable
It really isn't, the 2021 cars were way slower than the 2020 cars due to regulation changes, on average at least 2 seconds slower. It's also 4 years of development not 7 because the 2014-2016 regulations were completely different aside from the engines
You need to remember that they opened up the exit of the last corner as well, so 2022 forwards that's at least a tenth gained there.
Nice detailed analysis
The fact that they made the track objectively slower for safety but max still beat the record is utterly insane.
Thank you for this
2021 - its the car that makes the difference
2024 - its the driver that makes the difference
Unironically yes.
2014-2021 Car making the difference! 2013 2011 aswell 2002 2004 aswell? You want more or?
lol
what are you on about?
Look at how much closer Verstappen is the walls, it's quite apparent he put in a better lap than Hamilton's '21 pole.
He is right, if you review max 2021 lap he went through these corners flat out . Shows that max drove better than Lewis through this complex.
That cornering speed and braking is just out of this world.
The evolution of F1 cars is simply incredible.
Interesting comparison, but it misses something important - track condition. The slightest variations to temperature wind etc can make a significant difference. Try to include in future videos!
Compare it with Max's unfinished lap..
It's coming.
@@yelistener Im c*mming
Didn't 2021 have an unfinshed lap too...
@@Rezcuz That was "Max's unfinished lap". Hamilton got pole there because Max, on a faster lap, crashed at the end.
@@Rob2 My bad, I thought there was a faster lap this weekend too haha
this looks like such a fun track
Except when you're getting actual missiles exploding next to you.
@@456MrPeopleYemen is just mad the rest doesn't give a shit about them
so the RB has finally caught up to the fastest cars of the previous rule set. Amazing how that works.
Please can you do a comparison of the 2021 Bahrain pole lap with the 2024 Bahrain pole lap since the 2021 and 2024 cars are now similar in performance
I think with the bumpy circuits the ground effect cars from 2024 will still not match the 2021 cars.
But it is impressive to say the least.
Can you do a vid similar to this but with the fastest sectors set in 2021 and then compare it to the 2024 pole lap? (Max had the fastest first and second sector in 2021 but idk who had the fastest third sector though)
Brave to post this with team lh in existence especially sonce its verstappen
It's insane that the 2021 version was ever allowed, the walls are so close, very little runoff area on such a fast track.
LH44 through that traffic was insane
A comparison between Norris vs Hamilton during the race seems an interesting idea for a video. In the race we saw how the mclaren completely destroys the mercedes through the high speed corners yet hamilton was able to nab back almost all the time that he lost in the second and the third sectors.
Man that McLaren just fxked off in the corners, was amazing to see from Hamilton's pov!
yea it was wild watching him lose like 7 tenths in the first sector then slowly gain 3-4 tenths back before they hit the main straight again.
what im seeing his RB running higher downforce than merc with magic DRS which so so much more effective compared to not just prev gen cars but every other teams currently
I can only imagine how fast the cars will be in 2026 and onwards.
The new track record will be at Monaco and Baku. I'm curious to see a dry quali at Suzuka and Silverstone.
The W11 would have done like a low 26 or maybe even a high 25😃
low 26 without party mode
high - mid 25 with party mode
interesting how much beautification they've done to the run off areas. in 2021 it was just black tarmac, now it doesn't seem like there is any run off area that isn't painted bright colors.
Is there no longer the overlay from the left? It looks much cleaner
How do you get the RB sound with all the pops and crackles? If i look the same lap up on YT, i get it without this...
Also in Bahrain, he was just a tenth slower than his pole time in 2021, .....these cars are matching 2021 for laptimes it seems
Waiting for these cars to reach the prime era level (2018-2020).
Maybe next year 😅
I don't see the RB20 challenging these cars yet: RB15, SF71H, RB16, W09 EQ Power+, SF90, W10 EQ Power+ and W11 EQ Performance (the 7 fastest F1 in history)
We could see plenty more of 2024 vs 2021 lap times very soon.
Next year 2025 cars are going to be on another planet
is it me or are the lower gears shorter on the rb and longer on the mercedes but the other way around on higher gears?
I never knew Anton Chigurgh in his freetime was an f1 stat freak
realistically i think the absolute most important part as to why 2024 beat 2021 is less to do with drs top speed and all to do with being able to keep if flat out in the super fast left right in sector 1, drs speed is good but its basically diminished by the tightening of turn 22 and its 30 km/h speed loss
Wasn't T27 widened on the exit (after that happened)?
Hehe this video is something I wanted to see
Where do u get the record of laps of new RB f1 cars with exhaust shootings?
Anyone noticed the gear ratio of the red bull is a lot longer? Can’t wait for Monza, that thing will fly!
1 note.. Mercedes were running an engine that only had to last 3 races. They defenitly turned up the power. If it was not for that gap would've probaply been bigger
Would love to see if the 2024 Red Bull can beat the 2020 Mercedes on any track this year. That's the true comparison! Make it happen!!
This is the difference between them, one is daring, exciting and on the ragged edge, the other is smoother, calmer and relaxed
Yeah they are both masterclass in different ways
Wasn’t the W11 in 2020 the fastest f1 car ever? Would be interesting to see the comparison between W11 and RB20 in tracks like Spa or Silverstone
Would like to see Magnussen slowing down the pack behind him, that was crazy
Ground effect cars are just superior imagine these cars with the advanced suspension of the previous gen and and lighter weight they would be ahead of 2020 cars
So ... if you put the Merc 2021 in this year we'll see race ! 😮🔥
Yeah but I think the 2021 would win the champion ship
haven't many of the corners been widened? i remember last corner at least for '22. that is also helping the rb20 somewhat
Yeah somehow no one is picking up on this, some got widened for 23 as well. I remember Karun said it will be worth 1.5-2 tenths
So will it only happen on very fast tracks?
Wait, if the tracks layout has been modified, it's not an exact comparison, is it?
Worth noting that the Engines since 2022 are using E10 fuel and most likely lost power compared to 2021, despite everybodys best effort to regain that power for 2022.
I think next year is the year with the fastest cars ever in laptime. They even can be faster than W11.
His attempt on 2021 jeddah qualifying might be already faster than hamilton pole lap
Would love to Spa Quali but in dry
The track has changed. They made it wider
Idk how but the 2021 car *looks* faster from the onboard. Was surprised by that t1-2 as well like damn
Can we see Alonso practice lap to Max quali lap?
Max's 2021 lap time would be even better if not the last corner
Why does the Bahrain record still stand from 2005(MP4 20)?
It's a race fastest lap, the fastest quali lap was w11 by hamilton 1:27~
Bahrain track has never been resurfaced.
Remember in 21 merc had their rocket engines for the last couple of races.. explanes the higher topspeeds form hamilton around the lap..
They didn’t use it after Brazil bro . And you’re wrong look at the top speed again …
@@Garage_Distinct_Clips lewis took a 4th engine in Japan 21 and then the 5th after Brazil with 3 more races to go, he basically received the only way to keep up with max for the last 6 races of the season.. you better check your facts
Ok guys sure it's faster..but it's a very draggy circuit..compare the W11 lap of Spain, Spa or other real circuit..
Still impressive to see in two years the engineer what have done in terms of development of these concept of cars!
Amazing to see Max drives so much closer to the wall compared to Lewis.
2021 Max would be pole too, it's a shame to have missed so close to completing the lap
Someone needs to build the ultimate unrestricted f1 car. Minimal weight, combination for ground effect and body aero, unrestricted engine (possibly not a v6 >:) ). That would be mental!
a human would die from the gforces driving it
I know its an analysis video. but the explanation in between kinda disrupt the continuity, the flow of the video. perhaps you can put the original non-explanation version at the back after the explanation edit. Just sharing my thoughts, no offence intended. Love your contents.
Let's not forget that leclerc beat that time in q2 by quite a lot
Petition in next year of SA GP, to let max bonk a special quali lap in RB16B to see if he can smash the record he could've had in 2021
W11 would have been the high 25s I reckon.
Maybe in monza we’ll see a 2024 time bear🎉the 2021 time
ground effects floor 2024 vs flat floor 2021... ground effects suck the car to the ground so you can go faster on corners.
Well the 2021 cars were slowed down by the regs, the full potential of the the old gen cars are the 2020 cars
Asphalt condition
Maybe next year they can beat 2020 lap records.
But will the 2024s cars beat some of the 2020s cars?
I hope this trend continues and we get 2025 cars that beat the W11.
In the 2021 cars defense, the track was new and was still very slippery as drivers would complain about the little grip they had and Lewis didn't make a perfect lap as he missed a few apexes but still very impressive from the RB20
Is it fair to compare these vehicles at this race? In 2021 Jeddah was the penultimate race, while in 2024 it is the second. Mercedes was able to develop the W12 substantially by that point.
Tomorrow you said...lol where its at?
mostly a display of how much better max takes a quali lap, look how close he is to the walls. Maybe lewis was being more relaxed after he and bottas both crashed max out of the WDC points gap.
It’s that Honda Powered Engine . Far better than all the other manufacturers . There’s a reason why max didn’t want nobody else to have it
ferrari and mercedes engine is better but verstappen is far superior driver.
mercedes has far better engineering hiding their best by 70 percent than other countries.
Not making excuses as Max's lap was awesome but Hamilton did seem to have alot more cars on his lap which would be distracting
Can someone stitch Max’s 2021 sector 1 and 2 with 2024 sector 3 seemlesly?
to those mentioning how verstappen is much closer to the walls:
the wheels are bigger than in 2021... dont measure the distance from the top of the wheel to the height of the advertisements on the barriers.
But yes, verstappen does get closer to the walls than lewis or any other driver for that matter, the only one that gets closer 6 times in a season is lance stroll.
RB20 is stable as joke maan ... Just look on first/second sector guys ... It's flying 😂
Keep this pace, and next year's cars will beat 2020 ☠️
Meanwhile W11: keep playing kids😊