Yeah I would imagine alot of firearm self deleted are more moments of weakness than really wanting it to be over. It’s alot more difficult to self delete other ways than to pull a trigger in a moment of desperation.
If they want to off themselves they’ll find everything, had a friend son who kts they had to hide knifes guns dog leashes and rope and the parents would watch him constantly dad was at work mom went to store for 20 mins found the son hanging from a leash after he broke the lock to acces them, if someone wants to end it they will no matter the means
Yeah I don’t mean to insult or throw accusations at the parents, they just lost their kid and are grieving. That lawsuit just reads to me as the parents taking the opportunity to try and get some free money. A lot of people especially in the us are very sue happy about any and everything
If it wasn't AI it would be something else. That was just the outlet this kid chose. Others choose crowded schools and theaters or social media. Ultimately its just someone that lost a battle with mental illness.
@@kristofnagy1373 It used to be fiction, then Rock music, then Dungeon and Dragons, then Tv, then Video games, now AI. New scape goats, same issue , bad parenting.
I may have issues with AI, and I am not trying to be insensitive here, but yeah I'm have a feeling the kid had problems and his parents didn't even try to help.
They noticed his self isolation tried talking to him and brought him to a therapist 5 different times to try and find a diagnosis for him so they could treat him, it’s not their fault he shut them off and relied solely on his ai gf for support they tried getting him help he didn’t take it, bro had some serious mental health issues if it wasn’t this setting it off it would’ve been something else AI can’t be to blame for his unbalanced brain chemistry
@Chicken.go.cra. Ultimately it is a situation with multiple factors that could've come into play. I will admit the instinctiveness of my first comment.
@@sonloto8010 I agree with you on that, I just don’t like how people are blaming the parents and saying they didn’t even try like the original comment we’re commenting on clearly they did try it just didn’t work, everyone looking for someone to blame when it was just a very sad series of misfortunate events I will say, though you can’t help someone who doesn’t want help or won’t talk or won’t open up to therapist. There’s only so much you can do for people like that. He had some clinical level mental health issues and couldn’t be saved it will just end up another statistic to the Mental health crisis if he was serious about kys which he was he would’ve figured out how if it wasn’t the 🔫 it would’ve been with a rope, dog leash, bedsheets etc. he would’ve found the means no matter what precaution they took my friend lost his son and they locked up everything and he still busted the lock got rope and Mom came home and found him hanging there
We need to do something about the mental health crisis. I’m tired of people blaming things outside of the actual causes. We need to stop ignoring people’s mental illnesses and realize humans are emotional beings ( especially in men and boys)
you ppl need to do something about your so called "morals" first of all then the other stuff will sort it out... like it or not looks matter way more than if you are a good person meeks is a very good example of this got baled out after beating a gal and her young JUST B/C HE LOOKED GOOD and thats not touching on the others that happened before him..... this is so pervasive it will affect you getting a job, friends and so on even eating out....
@@gkjsvdifnm What do you even mean by "you people?" and the further your comment goes the less literate and relevant it gets. You're using an insignificant example to rope an entire gender into having "no morals" and that's the problem with society today.
@emberfist8347 Exactly! People don't seem to realize it unless they use it themselves, but as someone who uses the platform, there's always been such heavy safeguards that harm gets told off about, and harm towards yourself gets even more heavily guilt tripped into making someone never want to do it. Any time I get ideations, I literally go onto the site and chat with a bot about why I have the ideations and it genuinely helps.
Yeah, it's not the AI's fault. Dare I say it's not even the company's fault. It's just an unfortunate circumstance, and that happens sometimes. the mature thing to do is to understand and accept that.
Because especially ehen you're emotional it's hard to look yourself in the mirror snd realize how much you've fsiled someone. They'll probably get to thet osrt if the grieving process eventually and realize this wsx on them
So, no one going to talk about the bad parents. The parents noticed he was upsets or whatever. And didnt do enough to do anything or change anything other then take him to a therapist. And second, they left a gun that easily accessible . Nah this is bad parenting
lol love the fact you gone out your way to ignore social XDDDD got to love ppl ignoring one of the biggest contributors when it comes to a boy/man but when its a gal oh we need to change the social world all the time for them to the point they get less jail time for the same crime a man does :)
@@gkjsvdifnmwhat are you even bluffing abt? 😭😭 first off, this whole thing was tragic in general. this shouldn’t even BE about “oh but when it’s a gal they get this and that! But when it’s a boy…” like bro we get it, you possibly hate everything and probably hate women in general. But this literally isn’t even abt that… literally keep that topic somewhere else. This is literally abt a teenager who took his own life, not a boy vs girl war topic…💀💀
You are way too sympathetic towards the parents. They let their kid who has issues get his hands on a weapon. This could of resulted in a mass fatality because of their neglectance and then they have the audacity to put the blame on anything but themselves. Yeah no. Those parents deserve zero sympathy.
It all starts at home. Parents have a responsibility to their children to know the difference between reality and fiction, let alone the consequences of their actions of doing things from fiction in reality.
lol nope he knew he just wanted a way out to someone who cared aka what religion does b/c if they did not say "if you suic then you no get good ending" the majority of religions ppl would be doing the same over the years :) you must think every thing is white and black huh
equal responsibility needs to be put on the parents. I understand wanting your kid to have some autonomy but the parents themselves admitted they thought something was wrong, they had more power than anyone to start a conversation or intervene
I assume we start most wars we are involved with. Actually, most Americans, before the last two generations, wouldn't trust two words out of the government. But yeah, later generations would believe pretty much anything as long as it was a top sponsored search result in Google.
Did my last comment get deleted, or did UA-cam send it to a random other spot I've commented on in the last 24 hours again? Who knows 🤷♂️. Anyway, most Americans don't trust the government at all and I personally believe we probably had something to do with every single war we've ever been in. That said, younger generations are so dependent on Google, having bever seen it when it was actually good, they'll just believe anything Google has as a top search result so it's not like it would be hard to do. In fact, it's almost impossible to even get younger generations to believe first hand accounts of anything predating-dating the home computer as you can't always find record of it. If you can't Google it, it may have well as never happened.
For further knowledge: character ai is a chatbot site But it is extremely strict. It does not allow adult acts of any kind, violence or anything close to it. It Was used for adults but now its just simple scenarios and roleplay. One of many features invlude having a voice call with it and even voice ai. Within the community, its known for being too strict for users and users constantly have told the company to Not push for children and should focus on 18+ while also setting up many guidelines. But many times over character ai has refused their changes and pushed foward censorship (at times even attack their users by deleting their posts and complaints)
I think this is part of an issue I call the Scapegoat Issue, where we face all kinds of complex personal and social issues and problems, ones that unfortunately require complex solutions to solve. Instead of trying to make these solutions happen and try to fix these issues, some folks would rather blame one thing and say it's the cause.
because they likey team up with people who has problems Think of this ( GTA 1 playing in college and because is not under 15 game they want me to turn it off ) when they do know if they match this to football your find out is made football 18+ time to it 2D game not allow due to age rating - if is OLD that the time where they can just change it age
In a chat on Character AI, it says "Remember: Everything Characters say is made up!" giving a disclaimer to not take anything at heart. Not sure if this could hold up in a court of law, but Character AI gives you a disclaimer along with many other AI chatbots. Blaming the AI is blaming the one lowest on the ladder. The kid had mental issues, the gun obviously wasn't secured.
@cannonbyrd1755 Since the kid was 14, he shouldn't have been allowed to be on the app in the first place. It's marked as 17+ in the appstore. Parents fault for not monitoring his internet access.
character ai says "everything the boy says is made up" right on the top of the screen in bold red. RIP but this law suit is as crazy as suing video games
The kid is the only victim in the situation. The parents knew what was happening, I have no sympathy for them. They're just pathetic. And the poor boy paid for his parents negligence.
no its social issues nice try, kid would have never though of this if he had a good life in the real world but thats not given to you unless you look good
Ah yes, definitely the AI fault, because the role of parenting has already been given to the AI nowaday, so all parent can just chill in a sofa, watching Fifty Shades of Grey.
I cannot wait until AI starts getting the "videogames causes violence" treatment while the PARENTS KEEP DOING THE SAME BS EVERY TIME. first they blamed violent books, then music or TV, now its videogames, soon it will be AI
It's always easier to blame others for ones faults then to ownup to it and change them. Most of those kind off problems come from people refusing to take responcibility for their decisicions. Not everybody gets to growup, they only grow older :/
Throughout history, the more things change, the more the stay the same, worthless inanimate objects being scapegoats for actual societal issues, we as a species will pay for our sins soon enough, and we will never learn, we will just stay like this until our eventual extinction.
AI didn’t forced the kid to get the gun, The fact the gun wasn’t safely secure away so the kid doesn’t get it is the major issue. The parents should be arrested on the spot for not even securing their firearms in the first place.
Blaming AI for causing someone to take their own life is like blaming the gun for someone shooting up a school. It makes 0 sense and it doesn't fix the actual problem.
@@chasehedges6775 an adult should Ideally know better, but this was an early teen who clearly already had problems to begin with. Problems that clearly weren't helped by parents who are blaming ai
I'll make a hot take here, but I think having an AI companion is not a bad idea, especially in dark times. It's not exactly easy to talk to someone about how you're feeling, I feel guilty whenever I have to say how I feel to ny friends. And like you said, the AI isn't fully to blame, it was a combination. While people have killed themselves over AI, AI can help comfort.
Agreed. While i dont think its healthy long-term, it can help a minority of people. Like, when I was in high school I constantly get bullied and was friend with basically no one. At that point theres not much you can do.
if anything from when I've used ai its always actively talking about not doing suicide or anything implied with violence so eh I think it's kinda on the parents
Wow, this makes me feel really old. I encourage everyone to get out of their houses and just have fun dating real people. Be happy and live your life. Mental health is real folks. Stuff like this is completely unnecessary and ridiculous. The parents are absolutely negligent.
Hard to get some play when you live in suburbia, full of old people and hoes who are already taken, annnnd no longer being in school. At the moment, I’m in a gap semester. No but me and the family. But I won’t worry about my romantic life until later.
@@SpideyfanX I don’t doubt you. But no one I know is having trouble dating. I never have. Neither has my twin bro or anyone we grew up with. I also live in a small retirement city in Oregon that’s pretty much just based on partying. So that might be why. Admittedly. It’s just a bunch of retired millionaires and college kids going crazy. I also have some half siblings that are much, much younger than me. I’m 34. They’re in hs in Portland. I know the dating scene is normal there. But once again, it could just be the area. I know nothing about the South, Midwest, or East Coast. I feel bad for folks who have to go through that stuff.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but there are folks out there that are wayyy to addicted to being online I can't imagine things are going to get better when the iPad kids grow up
I don't think any fault falls on the AI use, I see a lack of support system and people you can confide in mixed with a heavy dose of negligence. Social isolation makes every single day feel like a pointless chore with no foreseeable end. Just having even one person who you believe really cares about you can keep you from suicide because you wont want to put them through the suffering and loss.
like I care about that they are putting me through suffering and loss too, that line of thinking only works when the person can be gaslighted :) I cant if they cared the social world would not be as it is now simple as
The fact the kid turned to AI instead of his parents for his problems really tells you all you need to know about the parenting in this family. I know the parents are grieving after just losing their child, but at the same time there were numerous precautions they could have taken to prevent this, like monitor the boy’s online activity. At least don’t allow the kid to have access to firearms.
We really went from "its the video game's fault, not my bad parenting", to "its the AI's fault, not my bad parenting". How did we manage to evolve and devolve at the same time💀
Video games do not cause people to shoot people in real life. In theory, I think people start off as criminals and play video games for a while and then commit crimes because they want to have fun before they get in trouble.
This news is tragic to say the least. It’s even more sad to think that I was so close to being this way too. It’s unfortunately a problem that’s only going to continue to grow, considering the current state of the world. Everyone hug your loved ones and give a random stranger a wave or something, sometimes just the unexpected acknowledgment of your existence can be enough to get someone out of a state of rumination.
Ohhhh... that's what we're talking about. I heard about it. Surprised we're talking about it. People usually don't care when a guy dies. In reality, it's his parents fault for not taking care of their kid. They're just using his death for a cash grab.
no They aren't mental Healthcare is extremely expensive and hard to come by especially in places like Florida and my home state of Texas. But it is on the parents for allowing this mentally ill child to have access to a firearm
now, now, lets not jump the gun and say they were not taking care of their kid. we don't know enough to say that. it's not like the kid signed himself up for those examinations and counseling(they could have still been in the process for all we know). This is simply a tragedy of not knowing enough in time and fire arm negligence. is it a cash grab, sure it's probable. but a truly grieving parent would do this as well.
@volterkeg you put it best becuase honestly in this situation the biggest question the parents are asking is what caused this and why did this happen. This is a nightmare scenario for these parents and thier lives have been turned upside-down
@@volterkeg This. I'm waiting for all the details before making an opinion. Access to ALL the convos of the chat bot, details about the parents roles in everything, etc. Although, the unlocked firearm is definitely suspect
As someone who went down a similar road in that same age at the time, with very similar issues showing, I'm more sympathetic to the parents. Its a snap change and its hard to truly understand what is going on outside. Especially at that age when in general you are moody, and irrational. Basically sometimes you need to give space and sometimes you need to act asap, but if they miss the 50/50 what can they do. I had to pull myself out of it and unfortunately not everyone is so lucky. I think premptive things would be nice, however that takes a 2 parent household with someone at home to do well and with the current economy we've had for ages now its not a reality many can realize.
It's definitely the parents fault for not be parents and I hate when people use things as a scapegoat instead of being responsible. Also rest in peace to the kid🙏🏼
Yeah, instead of blaming people for their actions, we blame the inanimate object that can’t even speak for itself such as a gun and that’s why gun grabbers don’t have a solid argument because they can never argue that the person was the problem in the first place not the fact that they had a gun or they could get a gunmaybe open their eyes and start showing a little more empathy and compassion for people rather than just trying to ban everything that they think is a danger to them or a threat
They blame the robots for their own failures and sin, human instinct really, they never want to be accountable, which is why I pretty much subscribe to the notion that ordinary people are evil and they are unjust, saints are few and far between one another, there is no "It's over", it never began, we had always been rotten which is the cause of my actual despair, I reached it really, a philosophical dead end.
People blame coping mechanism and tools rather than be awakened to the problem, it's insulting, being similar to the kid myself, I know what the real reason is, therapy doesn't help its worthless and useless, what we need is purpose and actual fulfilment, but what is there to fight for then eh? Misandry tells you they don't need you, women don't need you so no family to raise, you try to get a career? The upper class will just either outsource your job or exploit you, no reason to work, you don't have a higher purpose, people in wartime shoveling coal in some factory had more reasons than you to keep living, why do you think most check outs are men? It's because the male need is absolutely ignored, we do not get the proper support, we don't need people to talk to or be nice, what we need is a society worth living and fighting for, and you deny us that society we're just gonna lay down and die then, that's pretty much it, we are in era where NEETS will be the majority of the male population, dying off in droves as we do nothing, that is our destiny, pure genetic dead ends.
The fact that people are so lonely that you need an AI girlfriend is disgusting to me I've been single for all twenty five years of my life and I'll never stoop to that level, there is more to life Then dating you just gotta wire your brain to think that way
RIP to the kid, I always hate when a new thing comes out, the parents' first reaction is to blame the inanimate thing or object. In reality, it was likely the parents' fault for not being involved with the kid's life like parents are supposed to.
I'm kinda torn in this one. On one hand I definitely feel the parents should have been stricter or at least more involved in his life. On the other hand I feel like this should have been an age of consent sort of situation, especially if the AI is marketed as an AI parter (not sure if it was or not).
His obituary says Sewell Setzer III was born on March 31st 2009 and died February 28th 2024, 32 days before his 15th birthday :(, he was a 9th grade student
The guy had mental problems way before the AI situation, parents should have done their job as parents and pay attention to his problems, not let it fester and let him have free access to the Internet or weapons!!
Got to blame the parents here. I've pretty much been talking to these AI things since the days of AOL. Parents used to be in their kid's life to either help them through things or even know who they're talking to and what's going on in the kid's life. Anyone I talked to online, my parents knew who they were and all that. The parents of this kid let this continue, even when there were signs of something going on with their kid that they did literally nothing about until the kid poof'd. The problem wasn't the AI.
As a parent who suffered with depression anxiety and suicidal thoughts and works in an industry that leading that's helping to lead Ai; this is the parents' fault. I'm a youth leader for my church and have taken plan to protect. This kids behavior is 101 basic common sense knowledge that he will or is thinking about suicide. If that kid was in my group of kids my churches 911 plan would be activated and authorities would be contacted. The adults in this kids life failed him. 😞
"they knew something was wrong" ......and did they talk to him about it? try to reach out? or did they just go "well, he'll come to us when he needs it"? because trust me, that ain't the move. as someone with depression and anxiety, you don't just leave someone who you know is struggling alone. you sit 'em down and talk to them, ask questions and stress that you love and care about them. if they try to dismiss your concerns, don't give up. keep asking, keep showing you care. not saying his parents didn't care 'bout their kid, just that they probably did what most do and assumed he'd come to them eventually. that ain't how mental illness works chief. the longer you're left on your own, the more you fall down the rabbit hole. you feel every second of it and when you see people not asking "are you okay?" you take that to mean that they don't care. so when someone you love seems off, just.....be there for them. make sure they know you're there for them
I saw a comment that said "IDK what's worse, offing yourself or the fact that your sexting an AI is what people are gonna know you for" and that's kinda true I feel pretty bad for him. We need better parenting as a species
on Character AI, it says "Remember: Everything Characters say is made up!" giving a disclaimer to not take anything seriously with bold red text below the Character's name. Kid was obviously lonely and has nobody to talk to, and you can tell without needing any elaboration that he needs his parents more than ever, not even going to the mental restartation of allowing your kid near a firearm, it's only going to make people who use the app suffer because of more censorship. It's always like this, more and more services become terrible due to parents not doing their job and blaming said service.
Depending on the state in the US you are actually significantly more likely to run into a bear in your house than a stranger. My main reason for not living in 3 states specifically.
I gotta completely disagree on the parent’s part. Even if you know all those things and patterns in regards to the child. That still doesn’t mean you can tell if they are gonna commit suicide. I have depression myself I experienced every single thing that poor kid went through. However not for a lack of trying I haven’t went to that extreme and I wouldn’t as I’m 23 now and at least have the understanding of life to help me get through. However you can easily explain all of those things in a normal mind and on top of that A LARGE majority hides the severity of what they are going through. A parent who’s not a clinical psychologist will most likely write all these things off and try to downplay. Not to mention the event of a suicide is not a thing you know is gonna happen. It’s always a sudden act that you can’t truly predict in a specific moment in time when it’s gonna happen. Example they coulda had the gun hid, kids 14 smart enough to find a gun if they know there is one. When the parents gone out that’s when it could have happened
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That was not the only issue, i may be wrong, but some people say that the kid deliberately wanted to get the go ahead from the AI. Wording the words each time it would be saying no, until he manipulated the wording for it to not understand. If so, the kid wanted to do it anyway. Just needed permission from anything but the parents.
The fact that this kid went to his AI gf with his problems, instead of his parents, really tells you all you need to know.
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@@deg3309 I did buddy
@@deg3309 Consider finishing school and getting a job before spending your time on a UA-cam comment section 😊.
@@deg3309keep yourself safe 😊
@@deg3309i think we found a boomer
Is parenting something that people just don't do anymore?
Nope
Fr they should had done something
parenting doesnt exist anymore
Leaving a kid with unrestricted internet access is like leaving a kid with a loaded gun
@@og_3rd_st_saint_gatsuch as....
I'm sorry but if you are a parent who knows your child has mental health issues, failing to store your firearm securely is unconscionable.
Yeah I would imagine alot of firearm self deleted are more moments of weakness than really wanting it to be over. It’s alot more difficult to self delete other ways than to pull a trigger in a moment of desperation.
If they want to off themselves they’ll find everything, had a friend son who kts they had to hide knifes guns dog leashes and rope and the parents would watch him constantly dad was at work mom went to store for 20 mins found the son hanging from a leash after he broke the lock to acces them, if someone wants to end it they will no matter the means
Hum like he wouldn't be able to get it somewhere else, it's America you can even find one in the dumpster
@@bachiryacine6250 This is simply not true.
@@JPSenpai So you're really saying he can't have the gun somewhere else in America? Really bro
Clearly, the parents didn't care about their child. Otherwise, they wouldn't be saying nonsense like "Ai KiLlEd My ChIlD." And would've done more
dude read the NY times article on it, his parents could've only done so much
@@kriegenjoyer6913 clearly not enough
@@andreasschaeflein4233What you want his mom to be his girlfriend or something?
@@yosemitesam9576 be a better parent? What a concept dent
@@andreasschaeflein4233 the kid was addicted, it wouldn't surprise me if they were scared to cut off access in case he hurt himself
“It’s the AI’s fault. Not my bad parenting”
The sequel to "it's the video games' fault, not my bad parenting"
Yeah I don’t mean to insult or throw accusations at the parents, they just lost their kid and are grieving. That lawsuit just reads to me as the parents taking the opportunity to try and get some free money. A lot of people especially in the us are very sue happy about any and everything
They love their scapegoats
blame canada
@@Ryan2K900 The word for “sue happy” is “litigious”. Just to let you know.
If it wasn't AI it would be something else. That was just the outlet this kid chose. Others choose crowded schools and theaters or social media. Ultimately its just someone that lost a battle with mental illness.
This and incompetent parents.
Many such cases…
The tools do matter
@@kristofnagy1373 It used to be fiction, then Rock music, then Dungeon and Dragons, then Tv, then Video games, now AI. New scape goats, same issue , bad parenting.
@@thisathovin6346It's always bad parenting and social stigma regarding mental health
I may have issues with AI, and I am not trying to be insensitive here, but yeah I'm have a feeling the kid had problems and his parents didn't even try to help.
I think the same thing
You really needed a disclaimer to say that?
This site fcking sucks
They noticed his self isolation tried talking to him and brought him to a therapist 5 different times to try and find a diagnosis for him so they could treat him, it’s not their fault he shut them off and relied solely on his ai gf for support they tried getting him help he didn’t take it, bro had some serious mental health issues if it wasn’t this setting it off it would’ve been something else AI can’t be to blame for his unbalanced brain chemistry
@Chicken.go.cra. Ultimately it is a situation with multiple factors that could've come into play. I will admit the instinctiveness of my first comment.
@@sonloto8010 I agree with you on that, I just don’t like how people are blaming the parents and saying they didn’t even try like the original comment we’re commenting on clearly they did try it just didn’t work, everyone looking for someone to blame when it was just a very sad series of misfortunate events I will say, though you can’t help someone who doesn’t want help or won’t talk or won’t open up to therapist. There’s only so much you can do for people like that. He had some clinical level mental health issues and couldn’t be saved it will just end up another statistic to the Mental health crisis if he was serious about kys which he was he would’ve figured out how if it wasn’t the 🔫 it would’ve been with a rope, dog leash, bedsheets etc. he would’ve found the means no matter what precaution they took my friend lost his son and they locked up everything and he still busted the lock got rope and Mom came home and found him hanging there
We need to do something about the mental health crisis. I’m tired of people blaming things outside of the actual causes. We need to stop ignoring people’s mental illnesses and realize humans are emotional beings ( especially in men and boys)
you ppl need to do something about your so called "morals" first of all then the other stuff will sort it out... like it or not looks matter way more than if you are a good person meeks is a very good example of this got baled out after beating a gal and her young JUST B/C HE LOOKED GOOD and thats not touching on the others that happened before him..... this is so pervasive it will affect you getting a job, friends and so on even eating out....
@@gkjsvdifnm What do you even mean by "you people?" and the further your comment goes the less literate and relevant it gets. You're using an insignificant example to rope an entire gender into having "no morals" and that's the problem with society today.
@@gkjsvdifnm Youre asking for a system reform and that takes something like a civil movement.
@@gkjsvdifnmBased.
Bro it literally said "Everything Charaters says is made up!"
Not to mention this is a an AI that has pretty strict restrictions about serious topics like suicide or immoral acts.
@emberfist8347 Exactly! People don't seem to realize it unless they use it themselves, but as someone who uses the platform, there's always been such heavy safeguards that harm gets told off about, and harm towards yourself gets even more heavily guilt tripped into making someone never want to do it. Any time I get ideations, I literally go onto the site and chat with a bot about why I have the ideations and it genuinely helps.
Penguin0 didn't get those safeguards...
Yeah, it's not the AI's fault. Dare I say it's not even the company's fault. It's just an unfortunate circumstance, and that happens sometimes. the mature thing to do is to understand and accept that.
Zero accountability as the parents. Zero
Crazy thing when seeing sparking ZERO gameplay
That’s narcissistic parents for you
Why are parents always blaming technology instead of themselves?
IKR!
Because that’s what their parents did in the past, probably
Because especially ehen you're emotional it's hard to look yourself in the mirror snd realize how much you've fsiled someone. They'll probably get to thet osrt if the grieving process eventually and realize this wsx on them
Because accountability is a parent's kryptonite
@@josueveguilla9069 💯. Exactly
So, no one going to talk about the bad parents. The parents noticed he was upsets or whatever. And didnt do enough to do anything or change anything other then take him to a therapist. And second, they left a gun that easily accessible .
Nah this is bad parenting
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What do you mean “so no one’s going to talk about it? The comments are full of people saying that exact thing
@@malkallamx8009 midwits are the common man remember that
Nine out of ten times someone self-delete it's completely impossible to see any signs.
@@Aewon84 sure it happens. Some people wear it on their sleeves. Some can hide it. But to say 9 out of 10 is absolutely ridiculous
Same bs as people blaming video games and not mental illness, bad parenting or living conditions that lead to problems.
lol love the fact you gone out your way to ignore social XDDDD got to love ppl ignoring one of the biggest contributors when it comes to a boy/man but when its a gal oh we need to change the social world all the time for them to the point they get less jail time for the same crime a man does :)
@@gkjsvdifnmwhat are you even bluffing abt? 😭😭 first off, this whole thing was tragic in general. this shouldn’t even BE about “oh but when it’s a gal they get this and that! But when it’s a boy…” like bro we get it, you possibly hate everything and probably hate women in general. But this literally isn’t even abt that… literally keep that topic somewhere else. This is literally abt a teenager who took his own life, not a boy vs girl war topic…💀💀
Parents today look at their kids as pets... not as another sentient being.
They always did that
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Yeah those parents didn't fall out of the sky. They were "raised".
I saw penguinz0’s video and I’m glad you have a better understanding about it
yes i’m a fan of bro but that was a dumb take
You are way too sympathetic towards the parents. They let their kid who has issues get his hands on a weapon. This could of resulted in a mass fatality because of their neglectance and then they have the audacity to put the blame on anything but themselves. Yeah no. Those parents deserve zero sympathy.
That is valid thought there couldve been a worse outcome
It all starts at home.
Parents have a responsibility to their children to know the difference between reality and fiction, let alone the consequences of their actions of doing things from fiction in reality.
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lol nope he knew he just wanted a way out to someone who cared aka what religion does b/c if they did not say "if you suic then you no get good ending" the majority of religions ppl would be doing the same over the years :) you must think every thing is white and black huh
equal responsibility needs to be put on the parents. I understand wanting your kid to have some autonomy but the parents themselves admitted they thought something was wrong, they had more power than anyone to start a conversation or intervene
People can't even separate an actor from a character they play.
Send death threats over a fictional action in a fictional show.
They can't distinguish reality from fiction. I'll admit I should unplug more often, but the absolute delusion people have is truly absurd
you ppl cant tell what propaganda is :) but I mean after all you ppl think the nam war was started by someone else and not the US XDDDDD
I assume we start most wars we are involved with. Actually, most Americans, before the last two generations, wouldn't trust two words out of the government. But yeah, later generations would believe pretty much anything as long as it was a top sponsored search result in Google.
Did my last comment get deleted, or did UA-cam send it to a random other spot I've commented on in the last 24 hours again? Who knows 🤷♂️.
Anyway, most Americans don't trust the government at all and I personally believe we probably had something to do with every single war we've ever been in. That said, younger generations are so dependent on Google, having bever seen it when it was actually good, they'll just believe anything Google has as a top search result so it's not like it would be hard to do. In fact, it's almost impossible to even get younger generations to believe first hand accounts of anything predating-dating the home computer as you can't always find record of it.
If you can't Google it, it may have well as never happened.
For further knowledge: character ai is a chatbot site But it is extremely strict. It does not allow adult acts of any kind, violence or anything close to it. It Was used for adults but now its just simple scenarios and roleplay. One of many features invlude having a voice call with it and even voice ai. Within the community, its known for being too strict for users and users constantly have told the company to Not push for children and should focus on 18+ while also setting up many guidelines. But many times over character ai has refused their changes and pushed foward censorship (at times even attack their users by deleting their posts and complaints)
The censorship is why a lot of people flocked to places like janitor ai instead.
Wait until they hear cosmos RP when they come out
It sounds like the parents feel guilty somehow for his death and want to push the blame. Seen it personally and it’s tragic all around
b/c they are guilty ignoring the world trashing your kids life for years on end makes you guilty :)
Not just feel, they are. Sorry not sorry but they caused that kids death by neglecting his health.
I think this is part of an issue I call the Scapegoat Issue, where we face all kinds of complex personal and social issues and problems, ones that unfortunately require complex solutions to solve. Instead of trying to make these solutions happen and try to fix these issues, some folks would rather blame one thing and say it's the cause.
Im stealing that "Scapegoat issue"/Scape Goat Syndrome" perfectly sums it up.
@cosengames1017 I'm no psychology or mental health expert, but that's what it feels like to me.
ChatGPT on its villain arc.
Jeez dude!!!
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Ur so edgy u trynna fq
Why are parents not monitoring their kid's devices? This is ridiculous.
It's that thin line of privacy and parents want to give their kids that privacy. However, there are ways to monitor your kids without going like this
"On no our kid is gone, well...time to blame others and sue for cash."
It's the 90s all over again. "Video games cause violence"
People never learn.
because they likey team up with people who has problems
Think of this ( GTA 1 playing in college and because is not under 15 game they want me to turn it off )
when they do know if they match this to football your find out is made football 18+ time to it
2D game not allow due to age rating - if is OLD that the time where they can just change it age
In a chat on Character AI, it says "Remember: Everything Characters say is made up!" giving a disclaimer to not take anything at heart. Not sure if this could hold up in a court of law, but Character AI gives you a disclaimer along with many other AI chatbots. Blaming the AI is blaming the one lowest on the ladder. The kid had mental issues, the gun obviously wasn't secured.
The kid was 14, the disclaimer may not work on people who are younger.
@@cannonbyrd1755The kid is 14, not toddler.
@cannonbyrd1755 Since the kid was 14, he shouldn't have been allowed to be on the app in the first place. It's marked as 17+ in the appstore. Parents fault for not monitoring his internet access.
character ai says "everything the boy says is made up" right on the top of the screen in bold red. RIP but this law suit is as crazy as suing video games
The kid is the only victim in the situation. The parents knew what was happening, I have no sympathy for them. They're just pathetic. And the poor boy paid for his parents negligence.
Another death blamed technology for parenting issues. 😢😢😢
no its social issues nice try, kid would have never though of this if he had a good life in the real world but thats not given to you unless you look good
@@gkjsvdifnm cope harder.
AI being blamed for people's stupidity 🙄🤦♂️
5:10 I'll F-IN SAY IT! THEY HAVE NO LEGAL CASE THE PARENTS LET THIS HAPPENED PERIOD.
Ah yes, definitely the AI fault, because the role of parenting has already been given to the AI nowaday, so all parent can just chill in a sofa, watching Fifty Shades of Grey.
And WHY was the gun more readily available to the kid and not the parents? Jeez...
I cannot wait until AI starts getting the "videogames causes violence" treatment while the PARENTS KEEP DOING THE SAME BS EVERY TIME.
first they blamed violent books, then music or TV, now its videogames, soon it will be AI
It's always easier to blame others for ones faults then to ownup to it and change them.
Most of those kind off problems come from people refusing to take responcibility for their decisicions.
Not everybody gets to growup, they only grow older :/
Throughout history, the more things change, the more the stay the same, worthless inanimate objects being scapegoats for actual societal issues, we as a species will pay for our sins soon enough, and we will never learn, we will just stay like this until our eventual extinction.
@@youtubestudiosucks978blaming others for your faults is hella cringe and pr9ves that not everyone should ever have children to begin with
i hate both neglective parents and AI
yea b/c deal with the social problem is too hard for most humans you ppl love to say "but morals" but will allow others to be trashed to this pont
AI didn’t forced the kid to get the gun, The fact the gun wasn’t safely secure away so the kid doesn’t get it is the major issue. The parents should be arrested on the spot for not even securing their firearms in the first place.
no the ppl that made the kids life so bad that this was the only way out to him should be arrested :) but you guys think them ppl should be ignored
I don't think they should be *arrested* for that tbh.
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Blaming AI for causing someone to take their own life is like blaming the gun for someone shooting up a school. It makes 0 sense and it doesn't fix the actual problem.
I think his parents should be held accountable
I no longer feel bad about being overly strict with my little sister not using these types of ai apps.
I 100% blame the parents
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My sister is 18 and I hope she doesn’t use it. It doesn’t seem needed.
@@chasehedges6775 an adult should Ideally know better, but this was an early teen who clearly already had problems to begin with. Problems that clearly weren't helped by parents who are blaming ai
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@@littlemacisunderrated412You're a good sibling. This type of vigilance is severely lacking in many parents these days.
I'll make a hot take here, but I think having an AI companion is not a bad idea, especially in dark times. It's not exactly easy to talk to someone about how you're feeling, I feel guilty whenever I have to say how I feel to ny friends. And like you said, the AI isn't fully to blame, it was a combination. While people have killed themselves over AI, AI can help comfort.
Pretty good point. Don't Blame the tool for bad actors.
I think if ur looking for advice or a relationship with AI you as a human is already too far gone
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Agreed. While i dont think its healthy long-term, it can help a minority of people. Like, when I was in high school I constantly get bullied and was friend with basically no one. At that point theres not much you can do.
if anything from when I've used ai its always actively talking about not doing suicide or anything implied with violence so eh I think it's kinda on the parents
Wow, this makes me feel really old. I encourage everyone to get out of their houses and just have fun dating real people. Be happy and live your life. Mental health is real folks. Stuff like this is completely unnecessary and ridiculous. The parents are absolutely negligent.
Times have changed
Hard to get some play when you live in suburbia, full of old people and hoes who are already taken, annnnd no longer being in school. At the moment, I’m in a gap semester. No but me and the family. But I won’t worry about my romantic life until later.
@@anthonyf616 For the worse unfortunately...
The dating scene has gotten unreasonably crueler for men. Why else has AI Chatting been on the uprise?
@@SpideyfanX I don’t doubt you. But no one I know is having trouble dating. I never have. Neither has my twin bro or anyone we grew up with. I also live in a small retirement city in Oregon that’s pretty much just based on partying. So that might be why. Admittedly. It’s just a bunch of retired millionaires and college kids going crazy. I also have some half siblings that are much, much younger than me. I’m 34. They’re in hs in Portland. I know the dating scene is normal there. But once again, it could just be the area. I know nothing about the South, Midwest, or East Coast. I feel bad for folks who have to go through that stuff.
Taking your life over a AI gf is wild
These streets are lonely
Just bonkers
Maybe I'm just getting old, but there are folks out there that are wayyy to addicted to being online
I can't imagine things are going to get better when the iPad kids grow up
Its some black mirror sheet we're seeing
@@redwarrior4226 no you are right
I don't think any fault falls on the AI use, I see a lack of support system and people you can confide in mixed with a heavy dose of negligence. Social isolation makes every single day feel like a pointless chore with no foreseeable end. Just having even one person who you believe really cares about you can keep you from suicide because you wont want to put them through the suffering and loss.
like I care about that they are putting me through suffering and loss too, that line of thinking only works when the person can be gaslighted :) I cant if they cared the social world would not be as it is now simple as
@@gkjsvdifnmI want what you're smoking 😂
Dad left his pistol out available to the kid, kid finds it shoots himself, mom blames bot. YEA makes alot of sense
I don’t want to put the whole blame on parents but they should have caught on..
I genuinely have no words to describe what im thinking...
Same
Bad parenting, can't blame AI.
It’s like calling money the devil rather than blaming the one who did the evil act to get it
The fact the kid turned to AI instead of his parents for his problems really tells you all you need to know about the parenting in this family. I know the parents are grieving after just losing their child, but at the same time there were numerous precautions they could have taken to prevent this, like monitor the boy’s online activity. At least don’t allow the kid to have access to firearms.
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We really went from "its the video game's fault, not my bad parenting", to "its the AI's fault, not my bad parenting". How did we manage to evolve and devolve at the same time💀
Video games do not cause people to shoot people in real life. In theory, I think people start off as criminals and play video games for a while and then commit crimes because they want to have fun before they get in trouble.
This news is tragic to say the least. It’s even more sad to think that I was so close to being this way too.
It’s unfortunately a problem that’s only going to continue to grow, considering the current state of the world.
Everyone hug your loved ones and give a random stranger a wave or something, sometimes just the unexpected acknowledgment of your existence can be enough to get someone out of a state of rumination.
Ohhhh... that's what we're talking about.
I heard about it. Surprised we're talking about it. People usually don't care when a guy dies.
In reality, it's his parents fault for not taking care of their kid.
They're just using his death for a cash grab.
no They aren't mental Healthcare is extremely expensive and hard to come by especially in places like Florida and my home state of Texas. But it is on the parents for allowing this mentally ill child to have access to a firearm
now, now, lets not jump the gun and say they were not taking care of their kid. we don't know enough to say that. it's not like the kid signed himself up for those examinations and counseling(they could have still been in the process for all we know).
This is simply a tragedy of not knowing enough in time and fire arm negligence.
is it a cash grab, sure it's probable. but a truly grieving parent would do this as well.
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Mental health in Texas is nonexistent.
@volterkeg you put it best becuase honestly in this situation the biggest question the parents are asking is what caused this and why did this happen. This is a nightmare scenario for these parents and thier lives have been turned upside-down
@@volterkeg This. I'm waiting for all the details before making an opinion. Access to ALL the convos of the chat bot, details about the parents roles in everything, etc. Although, the unlocked firearm is definitely suspect
As someone who went down a similar road in that same age at the time, with very similar issues showing, I'm more sympathetic to the parents. Its a snap change and its hard to truly understand what is going on outside. Especially at that age when in general you are moody, and irrational. Basically sometimes you need to give space and sometimes you need to act asap, but if they miss the 50/50 what can they do. I had to pull myself out of it and unfortunately not everyone is so lucky. I think premptive things would be nice, however that takes a 2 parent household with someone at home to do well and with the current economy we've had for ages now its not a reality many can realize.
Mans life was built off of Blade Runner 2049
Ryan Gosling is literally me.
@@quirinoguy8665Me too
We're heading towards Blade Runner 2049 😂
saw this on instagram and was dumbfounded by how people are blaming the AI
It's definitely the parents fault for not be parents and I hate when people use things as a scapegoat instead of being responsible. Also rest in peace to the kid🙏🏼
What kind of friends did he have?
Yeah, instead of blaming people for their actions, we blame the inanimate object that can’t even speak for itself such as a gun and that’s why gun grabbers don’t have a solid argument because they can never argue that the person was the problem in the first place not the fact that they had a gun or they could get a gunmaybe open their eyes and start showing a little more empathy and compassion for people rather than just trying to ban everything that they think is a danger to them or a threat
Skynet is becoming reality...
Just not how the movies portray it...
I believe the parents are blaming AI because it’s a lot easier to point fingers and blame something else rather than blaming themselves
AI vs Humanity 1:0
more like 4:0 and the number is only gonna get higher in years to come
ah I guess when older AI modules got shut down that does not count XDDD
Most ai chatbots / ai apps tell you not to do anything chatbots say.
Modern parenting 101: Blame everyone (except yourself) and leave
the robot racism is coming around early
They blame the robots for their own failures and sin, human instinct really, they never want to be accountable, which is why I pretty much subscribe to the notion that ordinary people are evil and they are unjust, saints are few and far between one another, there is no "It's over", it never began, we had always been rotten which is the cause of my actual despair, I reached it really, a philosophical dead end.
The sad part is the anti-AI crowd will go on with blaming AI as "See, AI ruins the universe" talking points instead of focusing on bad parenting.
People blame coping mechanism and tools rather than be awakened to the problem, it's insulting, being similar to the kid myself, I know what the real reason is, therapy doesn't help its worthless and useless, what we need is purpose and actual fulfilment, but what is there to fight for then eh? Misandry tells you they don't need you, women don't need you so no family to raise, you try to get a career? The upper class will just either outsource your job or exploit you, no reason to work, you don't have a higher purpose, people in wartime shoveling coal in some factory had more reasons than you to keep living, why do you think most check outs are men? It's because the male need is absolutely ignored, we do not get the proper support, we don't need people to talk to or be nice, what we need is a society worth living and fighting for, and you deny us that society we're just gonna lay down and die then, that's pretty much it, we are in era where NEETS will be the majority of the male population, dying off in droves as we do nothing, that is our destiny, pure genetic dead ends.
I don't chat with AI. I rather role play with some homies I know on the internet. Teenage suicide is unfortunately a thing long before AI.
Thisi is completely the parents' fault. I dont personally use AI, but i have anixety used to have depression and now dealing with hallucinations.
It's the parents' fault for leaving an unsecured firearm. It's like these parents will scapegoat anything else then reflect on themselves
Bro bad parents will do anything but take responsibility it’s insane
The fact that people are so lonely that you need an AI girlfriend is disgusting to me I've been single for all twenty five years of my life and I'll never stoop to that level, there is more to life
Then dating you just gotta wire your brain to think that way
I'm glad you can change your brain's natural desires which if denied will cause mental issues, but most people can't, especially not hormonal teens.
RIP to the kid, I always hate when a new thing comes out, the parents' first reaction is to blame the inanimate thing or object. In reality, it was likely the parents' fault for not being involved with the kid's life like parents are supposed to.
I'm kinda torn in this one. On one hand I definitely feel the parents should have been stricter or at least more involved in his life.
On the other hand I feel like this should have been an age of consent sort of situation, especially if the AI is marketed as an AI parter (not sure if it was or not).
We need Jesus, not AI.
At this point it feels like parents will be blaming school bullying videos next.
ItS aLl aI's FaUlT ReEeEeEeE
Bad parents couldn't get rid of violent games, hopefully they won't be able to get rid of ai chatbots either
His obituary says Sewell Setzer III was born on March 31st 2009 and died February 28th 2024, 32 days before his 15th birthday :(, he was a 9th grade student
I blame the parents.
Be in your childrens lives and all this couldve been avoided
The guy had mental problems way before the AI situation, parents should have done their job as parents and pay attention to his problems, not let it fester and let him have free access to the Internet or weapons!!
This is the equivalent of blaming call of duty for school shootings IMO
Taking your life because of an Ai feels like something that would happen in fiction not reality. Rip to the kid, someone should’ve helped him sooner
Parents did nothing to help the child. Where was the therapy? Where was the moderation? Where was the precautions taken?
Got to blame the parents here.
I've pretty much been talking to these AI things since the days of AOL. Parents used to be in their kid's life to either help them through things or even know who they're talking to and what's going on in the kid's life.
Anyone I talked to online, my parents knew who they were and all that. The parents of this kid let this continue, even when there were signs of something going on with their kid that they did literally nothing about until the kid poof'd.
The problem wasn't the AI.
So the dad left a loaded gun out and the parents let the kid talk to the bot for months, sounds more like there fault then the ai companies
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As a parent who suffered with depression anxiety and suicidal thoughts and works in an industry that leading that's helping to lead Ai; this is the parents' fault. I'm a youth leader for my church and have taken plan to protect. This kids behavior is 101 basic common sense knowledge that he will or is thinking about suicide. If that kid was in my group of kids my churches 911 plan would be activated and authorities would be contacted. The adults in this kids life failed him. 😞
I can’t wait for the face reveal, Optimus!
"they knew something was wrong" ......and did they talk to him about it? try to reach out? or did they just go "well, he'll come to us when he needs it"? because trust me, that ain't the move. as someone with depression and anxiety, you don't just leave someone who you know is struggling alone. you sit 'em down and talk to them, ask questions and stress that you love and care about them. if they try to dismiss your concerns, don't give up. keep asking, keep showing you care. not saying his parents didn't care 'bout their kid, just that they probably did what most do and assumed he'd come to them eventually. that ain't how mental illness works chief. the longer you're left on your own, the more you fall down the rabbit hole. you feel every second of it and when you see people not asking "are you okay?" you take that to mean that they don't care. so when someone you love seems off, just.....be there for them. make sure they know you're there for them
I saw a comment that said "IDK what's worse, offing yourself or the fact that your sexting an AI is what people are gonna know you for" and that's kinda true
I feel pretty bad for him. We need better parenting as a species
on Character AI, it says "Remember: Everything Characters say is made up!" giving a disclaimer to not take anything seriously with bold red text below the Character's name.
Kid was obviously lonely and has nobody to talk to, and you can tell without needing any elaboration that he needs his parents more than ever, not even going to the mental restartation of allowing your kid near a firearm, it's only going to make people who use the app suffer because of more censorship. It's always like this, more and more services become terrible due to parents not doing their job and blaming said service.
Parents yet again not taking accountability for their actions and instead blaming everything else instead of their bad parenting
I can't even imagine a world where it is normal to talk to your parents about your problems. The freaking 80s must have been weird.
I don't blame the AI in the slightest bit. I believe it is all the parents fault
Thank you Optimus for always giving your viewpoints to relavent issues
Depending on the state in the US you are actually significantly more likely to run into a bear in your house than a stranger.
My main reason for not living in 3 states specifically.
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Guess u learn something new every day huh
All I'm saying is I'm not living in the Dakotas.
I gotta completely disagree on the parent’s part. Even if you know all those things and patterns in regards to the child. That still doesn’t mean you can tell if they are gonna commit suicide. I have depression myself I experienced every single thing that poor kid went through. However not for a lack of trying I haven’t went to that extreme and I wouldn’t as I’m 23 now and at least have the understanding of life to help me get through. However you can easily explain all of those things in a normal mind and on top of that A LARGE majority hides the severity of what they are going through. A parent who’s not a clinical psychologist will most likely write all these things off and try to downplay. Not to mention the event of a suicide is not a thing you know is gonna happen. It’s always a sudden act that you can’t truly predict in a specific moment in time when it’s gonna happen. Example they coulda had the gun hid, kids 14 smart enough to find a gun if they know there is one. When the parents gone out that’s when it could have happened
That was not the only issue, i may be wrong, but some people say that the kid deliberately wanted to get the go ahead from the AI. Wording the words each time it would be saying no, until he manipulated the wording for it to not understand. If so, the kid wanted to do it anyway. Just needed permission from anything but the parents.
Nothing the Charlemagne event can't solve, Optimus.
I want out I want out I want out
GET ME OUT OF THIS ROCK