Other women are in jail separated from their kids and most of them don’t have rich husbands to take care of the kids while they are incarcerated. Shut up ‘Liz’. Go to jail.
Holmes is a monster, her sex doesn't change that. She should have gotten a much longer sentence and not in a so called prison for the rich. She will continue to lie and manipulate 'til her dying day.
What drives me crazy is she seems to keep getting these stays of her sentence because she's either pregnant or has a new baby. Not only is that obnoxious since women give birth in prison all the time, but it clearly means she'll take advantage of this and stay pregnant until menopause and spew forth an entire baseball team in the process.
She should have gotten hanged for crimes against humanity. Fraud is a slap on the wrist for what she did, and what would have happened to innocent patients if she was allowed to continue. I hate her guts. She is just as bad as the Nazis during WWII, and deserves the same fate. Heartless, evil b*tch.
The journalist with the white shirt was perfect in explaining Amy Chozick, the journalist for New York times. She came into the interview like a friend, not like a journalist. She didn't do her job on the actual facts of what Elizabeth Holmes did. Especially for patients who had cancer and was giving false results. Shame on Amy Chozick
It’s amazing how she was able to remain free for so long and like all the other disgusting women before her, she tried to push out some kids to shield her from jail time but it didn’t work. Another thing I find infuriating is that she’s checking into prison as if she checking into summer camp. This is a total WTF kind of case right here…
On one hand Amy knows EH is a sociopath. On the other hand she wants to push the narrative that women are powerful, smart, and capable of amazing things. She’s torn between the two ideas. You can’t help but see her fight objectivity with this piece. EH is a monster. It creeps me out that she invited her and her family to the zoo. She’s obviously trying to use Amy as an ally. She’s pushing the boundaries to say hey you’re a reporter but, you can also be my friend. Sickening.
As an adult Liz, I can confirm that you get Elizabeth-ed when you're in trouble. I dont think Holmes can claim Liz till she has served her debt to society, and isnt in trouble.
I'm so glad you three are raising awareness of this outlandish representation of EH!! People need to read or listen to John Carryrou's book, " Bad Blood"! It puts to rest any thoughts about Holmes' character. She refused to listen to the truth about how blood draws work in REALITY!!
"Freeing like not wearing a bra." Depends on your cup size, how "freeing" not wearing a bra might be. The men who invested in Holmes' BS project were mesmerized by her blonde hair and blue eyes. ANYONE who has taken a basic chemistry class KNOWS that any and all tests REQUIRE a MINIMUM SAMPLE SIZE and that ONE DROP OF BLOOD was not enough for all of the analyses that Theranos claimed to be able perform.
When I found out she got pregnant while waiting for trial, I lost it. Those kids have been born into extreme privilege, yet, just imagine how traumatizing their upbringing will be in this family? I hope they’ll be able to escape and break the cycle.
Big deal. My friend has 3 and 7 year old kids and raising them by himself. His wife dies 2 hours after giving birth to their 2 nd child three years ago. He has nor remarried and his mom is helping him raise his kids. Are they in the news? Did any NY Times reporter interview him and describe what pain he is going through? Nope. He is not rich and not white. Holmes lived in a mansion just before going to jail and her partner is very wealthy. They expected everyone in the world to care about them. No they don’t deserve any sympathy from anyone. She needs to stay in jail atleast 10 years. If they let her out any less than that then they are committing a crime.
Just be a decent human being and recognize other human beings as human first. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Her being in a call center or want to save the world in the medical field is making me think of Jodie Arias who wanted to be spare the death penalty so she could grow her hair for cancer patients...
Her husband Billy initially admitted that he knew exactly who EH was when he married her. He's known to be a party guy who loves attention, so he had no problem hooking up with her and doing interviews. He enjoys all of the attention. Sickos. P.s. EH needs to be forever banned from ever raising money, or work as a CEO, CFO, COO, etc.
@dubbytyler According to some articles they supposedly got married secretly in like 2019, but they haven’t outright confirmed it. I think he doesn’t want to legally marry so he won’t be on the hook for all the restitution she owes
As incarcerated! She shouldn’t have had the opportunity to get pregnant and use children to aid in evading the law. Just a little more bating would’ve brought out the wild-crazy eyes that are more familiar. F this fucking guy (EH)! I feel sorry for the kids-you can’t change the stripes on a tiger.
I just can’t believe the “journalist” really was trying to do redemption arch for this woman! She didn’t ask her any questions about how her actions hurt others, if she feels sorry and would like to apologize to those she hurt, nothing? I would have almost applauded her if she just ripped off rich people but she hurt people who already suffer from our terrible healthcare.
Elizabeth Holmes was not convicted for harming patients. She was convicted for defrauding already-wealthy investors. Declaring that as a victory or justice for the real harm she did is wildly missing the point. The systemic failings are far more important than psychoanalyzing Elizabeth Holmes.
I read Bad Blood, and I was disappointed there wasn’t more scrutiny about how Walgreens let these quack tests into their stores when they should have done their due diligence.
That "not too successful" quote was the worst. I think the very reason no one is talking about the health consequences is the reason shes going to jail. Our system of capital sacrificed her for losing the money of incredibly irresponsible megawealthy investors, not for causing harm. I would also agree that part of her perceived culpability is because she is a woman... but that is definitely not exonerating. Its condemning of silicon valley scamming in general.
19:10 Yes exactly ! It's manipulative ! Normal people react angry when they think they did nothing wrong. Narcissistic sociopaths always feel they did nothing wrong no matter how many people they killed. When they react angry it's hard to imagine that they would do it no matter how guilty they are. They scare you away, and then you don't know the reason, and because it's hard to imagine how bad it actually is, it is easily interpreted in their favor.
The reference letters sent to the judge have been compared to college application essays. It's "the iPod of healthcare" technology? There's a big difference between playlists and platelets.
Our Girls Health Screen is the only validated electronic health and trauma screen for use by incarcerated girls in the nation. My organization, National Girls health and Justice tried to get VC funding during the Holmes debacle. We never got it- funding that would have helped thousand of the nation's poorest, sickest most vulnerable detained girls. Holmes made my job harder. I do NOT think the writer was savvy. I think she was pandering. The writer is a "stringer" getting irregular writing assignments thrown to her.
I'm not sure how someone can say Elizabeth Holmes is a manipulator and imply that it's so wrong to be that way, then in the same conversation praise Lauren Windsor for being a manipulator who uses her gift "for good." Manipulating is bad no matter who does it.
It takes a very insightful person to deal with a narcissist …I haven’t read the article but disturbing to hear you women say the journalist got sucked in. Alyssa is right, this woman Elizabeth Homes was founder of one of the biggest cons in health. She deserves her punishment. I guess I find it hard to understand how she so quickly found a new partner (has he been manipulated? and birthed children), but I think it is all part of her deception. 🐑🐑🇳🇿🇳🇿NZ
The Liz/Elizabeth comments immediately reminded me of this scene: Patsy-Emma, this is Lizbeth. Emma - Hi, Elizabeth. Lizbeth - Hi, its Lizbeth.
Emma - Isn't that what I said? Lizbeth - You said "Elizabeth". Its Lizbeth. Emma - Oh, two names? Liz Beth? Lizbeth - No, one. Lizbeth. Emma - Lizbeth? Lizbeth - Nevermind. Patsy - And this is Jane. Emma - Thank heavens! But yeah, Elizabeth "call me Liz" Holmes is a manipulative monster.
Love the roast of Holmes, and the use of feminism and femininity to shield things no one should get away with... Tune in next week for our glowing softball interview of Sen Amy Klobuchar!
She’s a “grifter”, one of the best. If she’d started out selling advertising space or financial services we probably wouldn't have ever heard about her, but she got in too deep with health care and now she’s in jail where she belongs.
Elisabeth Holmes? It’s frightening as pretty much all Psychiatrists and psychologists say psychopathy is at least partially hereditary. Now she has children. 😳
In the course my career, I interviewed over 6,000 incarcerated girls and women in 22 states to create the GIRLS HEALTH SCREEN. Elizabeth Holmes is a hard core criminal- not just a con person. Someone committed suicide, as I understand, related to working with Holmes, a woman's pregnancy test was wrong etc. the scariest thing about her was that she's going to "keep working in prison"!!!!! A sociopath does not change.
Urgh, "I found God, I'm a woman, I was changing the medical world...." she just sucks. Where are the apologies? To Ians wife, to everyone, she terrorised to get away with her crap.
Lizzie Borden was acquitted of murder. I am infuriated by the seeming imperviousness of EHolmes to her many crimes, which is what led me into this video, and I support the larger point about white feminism as a shield to protect this white female from accountability for her greed and recklessness and unconcern for the vulnerable, but no need to continue to perpetuate an untruth about Lizzie Borden in the process 🙃.
I wonder if she was the fall guy, she is awful and would do anything for money, I think they were looking for something in the blood, when they got what they wanted, they abandoned the project, caring not about any casualties. What’s a few hundred million to a dying crusty overlord to find something life saving. Just a theory, anyway, Lizzie must go to prison!
It is unbelievable that her partner the jackass fell under her spell. The reporter wasn’t reporting but trying to redeem her reputation. The editor of NYTimes Ellen Pollock who reportedly said that she does not give a fu.k about the criticism. Holmes is a psychopath and should be in jail for atleast 10 years.
Other women are in jail separated from their kids and most of them don’t have rich husbands to take care of the kids while they are incarcerated. Shut up ‘Liz’. Go to jail.
Exactly Alyssa!! One of the best rants I heard this morning.
I wish I could like your comment a billion times.
Holmes is a monster, her sex doesn't change that. She should have gotten a much longer sentence and not in a so called prison for the rich. She will continue to lie and manipulate 'til her dying day.
What drives me crazy is she seems to keep getting these stays of her sentence because she's either pregnant or has a new baby. Not only is that obnoxious since women give birth in prison all the time, but it clearly means she'll take advantage of this and stay pregnant until menopause and spew forth an entire baseball team in the process.
She should have gotten hanged for crimes against humanity. Fraud is a slap on the wrist for what she did, and what would have happened to innocent patients if she was allowed to continue. I hate her guts. She is just as bad as the Nazis during WWII, and deserves the same fate. Heartless, evil b*tch.
@@Eviltwin531 ROFL - they'll be called, "The Theranos Bastards".
Yes, Alyssa! 👏🏾🔥 Great conversation, Ladies. I couldn’t bring myself to read the article.
Yes, Alyssa!!!! I wanna see more of that fire from you in future episodes!
Totally. Her reaction is both intellectually and emotionally persuasive.
I had the same thoughts watching this
Loving all these Shaniqua appearances! I know she has a ton of critical responsibilities, but please have her on as much as she has time for. 💜
The journalist with the white shirt was perfect in explaining Amy Chozick, the journalist for New York times. She came into the interview like a friend, not like a journalist. She didn't do her job on the actual facts of what Elizabeth Holmes did. Especially for patients who had cancer and was giving false results. Shame on Amy Chozick
I don’t believe Amy Chozick. She will likely stay in touch with Holmes, for access & clout.
That was not done by Liz. Liz is a doting mom of 2 and those awful things were done by Elizabeth.
@@simster1001 perfect take
It’s amazing how she was able to remain free for so long and like all the other disgusting women before her, she tried to push out some kids to shield her from jail time but it didn’t work. Another thing I find infuriating is that she’s checking into prison as if she checking into summer camp. This is a total WTF kind of case right here…
Damn good episode ladies. No one should get a pass for causing so much harm.
Juvenile girls get incarcerated for running away from abusive homes. Adult women get locked up for shoplifting diapers they can't afford to buy.
the end-game of yt feminism is for elon musk to one day be replaced by elaine musk
No remorse...No apologies...no forgiveness
On one hand Amy knows EH is a sociopath. On the other hand she wants to push the narrative that women are powerful, smart, and capable of amazing things. She’s torn between the two ideas. You can’t help but see her fight objectivity with this piece. EH is a monster. It creeps me out that she invited her and her family to the zoo. She’s obviously trying to use Amy as an ally. She’s pushing the boundaries to say hey you’re a reporter but, you can also be my friend. Sickening.
As an adult Liz, I can confirm that you get Elizabeth-ed when you're in trouble. I dont think Holmes can claim Liz till she has served her debt to society, and isnt in trouble.
I'm so glad you three are raising awareness of this outlandish representation of EH!! People need to read or listen to John Carryrou's book, " Bad Blood"! It puts to rest any thoughts about Holmes' character. She refused to listen to the truth about how blood draws work in REALITY!!
"Freeing like not wearing a bra." Depends on your cup size, how "freeing" not wearing a bra might be. The men who invested in Holmes' BS project were mesmerized by her blonde hair and blue eyes. ANYONE who has taken a basic chemistry class KNOWS that any and all tests REQUIRE a MINIMUM SAMPLE SIZE and that ONE DROP OF BLOOD was not enough for all of the analyses that Theranos claimed to be able perform.
When I found out she got pregnant while waiting for trial, I lost it. Those kids have been born into extreme privilege, yet, just imagine how traumatizing their upbringing will be in this family? I hope they’ll be able to escape and break the cycle.
Big deal. My friend has 3 and 7 year old kids and raising them by himself. His wife dies 2 hours after giving birth to their 2 nd child three years ago. He has nor remarried and his mom is helping him raise his kids. Are they in the news? Did any NY Times reporter interview him and describe what pain he is going through? Nope. He is not rich and not white. Holmes lived in a mansion just before going to jail and her partner is very wealthy. They expected everyone in the world to care about them. No they don’t deserve any sympathy from anyone. She needs to stay in jail atleast 10 years. If they let her out any less than that then they are committing a crime.
Literal blood money.
Just be a decent human being and recognize other human beings as human first. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Love Hysteria! Love it! Love it! Love itttttttttt!
Her being in a call center or want to save the world in the medical field is making me think of Jodie Arias who wanted to be spare the death penalty so she could grow her hair for cancer patients...
Her husband Billy initially admitted that he knew exactly who EH was when he married her. He's known to be a party guy who loves attention, so he had no problem hooking up with her and doing interviews. He enjoys all of the attention. Sickos.
P.s. EH needs to be forever banned from ever raising money, or work as a CEO, CFO, COO, etc.
Thats odd because they are not married.
I thought they were married! I don't understand, if they are, he is a millionaire, so will he have to pay her debts?
@dubbytyler According to some articles they supposedly got married secretly in like 2019, but they haven’t outright confirmed it. I think he doesn’t want to legally marry so he won’t be on the hook for all the restitution she owes
As incarcerated! She shouldn’t have had the opportunity to get pregnant and use children to aid in evading the law. Just a little more bating would’ve brought out the wild-crazy eyes that are more familiar. F this fucking guy (EH)! I feel sorry for the kids-you can’t change the stripes on a tiger.
I just can’t believe the “journalist” really was trying to do redemption arch for this woman! She didn’t ask her any questions about how her actions hurt others, if she feels sorry and would like to apologize to those she hurt, nothing? I would have almost applauded her if she just ripped off rich people but she hurt people who already suffer from our terrible healthcare.
I know one thing. If i had done the same , I be in jail long time ago
Elizabeth Holmes was not convicted for harming patients. She was convicted for defrauding already-wealthy investors. Declaring that as a victory or justice for the real harm she did is wildly missing the point. The systemic failings are far more important than psychoanalyzing Elizabeth Holmes.
I read Bad Blood, and I was disappointed there wasn’t more scrutiny about how Walgreens let these quack tests into their stores when they should have done their due diligence.
@@stevezelaznik5872 I think it is just easier to blame on bad actor than to address the bigger problems caused by profit driven healthcare.
@@LizbetNene A lot of hospitals and insurance companies are non-profit, without results that are any better.
Judge Davila only allowed a very small portion of the actual patient testimony in. I hope he's made to explain that one day
That "not too successful" quote was the worst.
I think the very reason no one is talking about the health consequences is the reason shes going to jail. Our system of capital sacrificed her for losing the money of incredibly irresponsible megawealthy investors, not for causing harm. I would also agree that part of her perceived culpability is because she is a woman... but that is definitely not exonerating. Its condemning of silicon valley scamming in general.
This was a great chat
Spot on roast of Holmes, Alyssa!
A suggestion:Alyssa, change the position of your ring lights-they are reflected in your glasses. (Loved the show today.)
You ladies rock. I was hesitant to listen to this because I feared this had a possibility to back another woman, you know?
Thank God this was the same "fu©k you" I felt for this craziness. People's lives...you know? It's like asking trumpty to handle Covid.
😘thanks ladies😘
19:10 Yes exactly ! It's manipulative ! Normal people react angry when they think they did nothing wrong.
Narcissistic sociopaths always feel they did nothing wrong no matter how many people they killed.
When they react angry it's hard to imagine that they would do it no matter how guilty they are.
They scare you away, and then you don't know the reason, and because it's hard to imagine how bad it actually is, it is easily interpreted in their favor.
The reference letters sent to the judge have been compared to college application essays.
It's "the iPod of healthcare" technology?
There's a big difference between playlists and platelets.
Our Girls Health Screen is the only validated electronic health and trauma screen for use by incarcerated girls in the nation. My organization, National Girls health and Justice tried to get VC funding during the Holmes debacle. We never got it- funding that would have helped thousand of the nation's poorest, sickest most vulnerable detained girls. Holmes made my job harder. I do NOT think the writer was savvy. I think she was pandering. The writer is a "stringer" getting irregular writing assignments thrown to her.
I think she waited to do the appeal for Sunny to be in prison so he couldn't make any kind of statement against her. Diabolical
Better to be a Liz than a KAREN.
The fact that she was a perfect feminist - successful in business and STEMs shows that people are, in fact, lining up to invest in a woman.
I'm not sure how someone can say Elizabeth Holmes is a manipulator and imply that it's so wrong to be that way, then in the same conversation praise Lauren Windsor for being a manipulator who uses her gift "for good." Manipulating is bad no matter who does it.
I'm a man and I get away with making billions by defrauding everybody all the time.
PS. I love this site!
It takes a very insightful person to deal with a narcissist …I haven’t read the article but disturbing to hear you women say the journalist got sucked in. Alyssa is right, this woman Elizabeth Homes was founder of one of the biggest cons in health. She deserves her punishment. I guess I find it hard to understand how she so quickly found a new partner (has he been manipulated? and birthed children), but I think it is all part of her deception. 🐑🐑🇳🇿🇳🇿NZ
Evil has no gender.
The Liz/Elizabeth comments immediately reminded me of this scene:
Patsy-Emma, this is Lizbeth.
Emma - Hi, Elizabeth.
Lizbeth - Hi, its Lizbeth.
Emma - Isn't that what I said?
Lizbeth - You said "Elizabeth". Its Lizbeth.
Emma - Oh, two names? Liz Beth?
Lizbeth - No, one. Lizbeth.
Emma - Lizbeth?
Lizbeth - Nevermind.
Patsy - And this is Jane.
Emma - Thank heavens!
But yeah, Elizabeth "call me Liz" Holmes is a manipulative monster.
She tried every dirty trick in the book. No sense of responsibility.
I wish I’d seen this when it was fresh. Nevertheless I enjoyed listening to it. Good work here. 🤘
Love the roast of Holmes, and the use of feminism and femininity to shield things no one should get away with...
Tune in next week for our glowing softball interview of Sen Amy Klobuchar!
"Can you not kill people?.." 😂 love it
in all instances, holmes definitely has a mental illness.
She’s a “grifter”, one of the best. If she’d started out selling advertising space or financial services we probably wouldn't have ever heard about her, but she got in too deep with health care and now she’s in jail where she belongs.
Mistakes are illegal when the actions are illegal, never mind morally repugnant
There is no fibre in my being that’s thinks she will ever change, narcissists don’t change!
I do think there is an aspect though I relate to her in regards to femininity and ambition
Elisabeth Holmes? It’s frightening as pretty much all Psychiatrists and psychologists say psychopathy is at least partially hereditary. Now she has children. 😳
In the course my career, I interviewed over 6,000 incarcerated girls and women in 22 states to create the GIRLS HEALTH SCREEN. Elizabeth Holmes is a hard core criminal- not just a con person. Someone committed suicide, as I understand, related to working with Holmes, a woman's pregnancy test was wrong etc.
the scariest thing about her was that she's going to "keep working in prison"!!!!! A sociopath does not change.
Her fiancee/husband is San Diego hotel royalty. He's younger than her and is under her spell.
Urgh, "I found God, I'm a woman, I was changing the medical world...." she just sucks. Where are the apologies? To Ians wife, to everyone, she terrorised to get away with her crap.
This is a serious subject...do it justice..the puff piece was criminally bad. Explore that.
No doubt she will find love in prison.
Right on, spot on this woman is evil
Didn't "Drew" Cuomo try this last week?
Lizzie Borden was acquitted of murder. I am infuriated by the seeming imperviousness of EHolmes to her many crimes, which is what led me into this video, and I support the larger point about white feminism as a shield to protect this white female from accountability for her greed and recklessness and unconcern for the vulnerable, but no need to continue to perpetuate an untruth about Lizzie Borden in the process 🙃.
But is she in jail already????
Yes, this is cringe and hysterical.
Yt privilege!!! Omg
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I wonder if she was the fall guy, she is awful and would do anything for money, I think they were looking for something in the blood, when they got what they wanted, they abandoned the project, caring not about any casualties. What’s a few hundred million to a dying crusty overlord to find something life saving. Just a theory, anyway, Lizzie must go to prison!
White feminism 😂🥴
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What a bla bla podcast. Very disappointing and shallow.
Money hungry Lizzie had no remorse for her clients. The prison walls will have no remorse for her as well….
It is unbelievable that her partner the jackass fell under her spell. The reporter wasn’t reporting but trying to redeem her reputation. The editor of NYTimes Ellen Pollock who reportedly said that she does not give a fu.k about the criticism. Holmes is a psychopath and should be in jail for atleast 10 years.
It was 04:38 for me, took the words RIGHT out of my mouth.
You lot are a bunch of lightweights...😳
If she was a man, he would be in jail for life
to be fair, her crime partner, this scummy indian guy, got two more years than her