One problem you have is saying the THING isn't smart. It was building it's own space ship out of crap in a arctic science station. It's pretty damn smart.
@Jerson Castillo NO, he's talking about how the Blair-Thing, after being left alone in the tool shed for a day, salvaged parts from the helicopter and Thiokol into a makeshift space ship to escape Antarctica. This was almost straight out of the original story "Who Goes There" where the Blair-Thing. after being left alone in the tool shed for a day, cobbled together a flying sled to escape the Arctic.
The Thing absorbs the knowledge of every lifeform it assimilates. Every single cell has this knowledge somehow. Who knows how many super advanced alien species it has assimilated? I bet The Thing is capable of creating super advanced alien weaponry. Calvin doesn't stand a chance.
Yeah, I think the ending of "The Thing" was forgotten when this video was made. Not much is known about what The Thing is thinking or what it wants exactly, but it's definitely smart. Also remembering that it purposely would do stuff to 'frame' other members.
even if you discount the fact the thing was building a god damn spaceship. The thing was able to pass itself off as other people mimicking everything right down to Norris's weak heart and it knew to act like a human would act if their heart gave out. Hell it even assisted with its own "capture" during the blood test scene.
I think that the larger the thing is, the more intelligent it is, because we've seen the smaller things from the blood or the head that have behaved in simple ways with only the goal of survival
yes, the smaller the parts, less smart they are, but larger parts are smarter and can access more information from previous assimilated creatures. it is smart enough to build and operate spaceships, if given enough time
Garmr I mean it’s a lose lose scenario if the tyranid and flood ever meet. Either the flood assimilate the tyranids and gain a free super shadow without needing the grave mind to establish a warp presence + upgrades to their hive mind and plenty of information on the 40k universe. Or the tyranids assimilate the flood and gain primordial DNA (this would be real fucking bad for the 40k), the ability to get all the memories of things they assimilate, and the ability to make something similar to a gravemind/keymind which gives them access to the space roads (basically a more effective means of travel) and neurophysics which they can use against the necrons. Either way biological, machine, and any other life (and eventually Warp entities) are screwed if either super race assimilate each other. It’s a lose lose for everyone.
The Thing copies everything down to the cellular level, even the brain. Therefore, it should inherit the intelligence of the original, at least in its macro forms. Remember, it was in the process of building something underground that looked suspiciously like a disc-shaped spacecraft. So, potentially it retains a great deal of knowledge from previous forms.
it does.. Being that Calvin is a cellular lifeform. Calvin eating the Thing will just assimilate Calvin a lot faster. Not to mention give the Thing a massive advantage = fire resistance, in the form of knowing the DNA make up for this.
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The thing was shown to use tools. It mimiced jobs performed by the staff in the offices both Nordic and Us base. Also before moving on to the U.S base it was operating its ship before it was destroyed. Saying Only Calvin was able to use tools and the thing was animalistic is incorrect.
Yes, it is incorrect, if I recall right it was because the mask fell off and he tried hard to kill them or was the severed pieces not being able to think
I might be remembering it wrong but in the Life 2017 Calvin uses a tool only a single time through out the whole run? Like that's not smarter than a capuchin !
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The thing is much more intelligent, in the comics continuing from the original movie the thing assimilates an entire camp of soldiers and still act like them and has learned pack mentality or something similar. The Thing is much more akin to Borgs, The Flood, and other assimilating species. Calvin is no match for the thing, in all honesty, all we see in the movie is Calvin killing relatively defenseless people. In both movies and the comic, the Thing fought and won against people with guns, flamethrowers, grenades, and was only killed(?) when it got trapped in a nuke submarine set to self destruct.
True and I guess you can see we really didn't know what Calvin was up against but based on what the theory is in the movie, Calvin (his species) is responsible for wiping out all life on Mars.
@@Alteori To be fair, it's not even a theory in universe it's speculation, nothing else in the film supports it. (and to get meta it's just a line thrown in to make the audiance go ooo, and it really didn't need it because the movie and monster were both cool enough without that terrible line.)
@@Alteori and the thing could be responsible for wiping all life on untold thousands of planets since it knows how to construct vehicles and was building what appeared to be a flying saucer in its movie. So this is kind of a moot point.
@@Alteori it was only a speculation that he wiped out all life on mars. The trouble with this is that it can also be speculated that all life on mars was wiped out by a catastrophic cosmic event that caused the atmosphere to be destroyed (IE a solar flare), and calvin just had the right tools to survive it and go into a dormant state. But let's give calvin the benefit of the doubt and say he wiped out all life on mars, but then how many worlds would have been assimilated by the thing since it knew how to build and operate spaceships? Calvin is smart, but its more akin to basic tool making than making complex machines that the Thing can certainly do. One thing is for certain though. The moment calvin touches the Thing, he's doomed. The thing invades, not only blood, but all organic tissue so perfectly that the host immune system considers that invasive cell as part of the host body infact it doesnt even know its an invasive cell. The thing will take over more cells that it has come in contact with and proliferate until it takes over the host body, and the host body will never know it was already assimilated.
@@macaarrooon That does not mean she is right you know. The thing is not so easily beaten. Both creatures are fictional, and if the creators of both stories had their say, I'm pretty sure both of them would insist their creature would win. 'Tis the nature of favoritism.
They would become a Hybrid since the Thing assimilates any organism that comes in physical contact with it, Calvin would have to avoid any kind of physical contact period, unless there's something in his biological make up to keep assimilation from happening
@Adventist No. If you want to be honest then nobody actually knows which creature would win as both are biologically impossible and entirely fictional. So at the end of the day it comes down to personal bias which side wins, little else. Going by their abilities it is honestly impossible to predict which would win as both have some advantage over each other. (Calvin is harder to destroy but is incapable of full assimilation whereas the thing is vulnerable to extreme cold and heat but entirely capable of assimilating any living creature, and I mean any. That includes Calvin) It would only take a single Calvin cell to be converted for the thing to acquire every single one Calvin's abilities and overall intelligence. As you can tell, I lean in the direction of the thing winning due to its ridiculous assimilation abilities that can mimic anything down to a perfect molecular copy.
@Adventist Calvin, aware of the supercellular parasite assimilating him, grows at an almost cancerous rate to compensate for the infected cells. The thing, aware it has been spotted, starts to twist and morph Calvin until Calvin is just an unpleasant to look at blob of teeth and stringy flesh. A stalemate. Or, alternatively, the thing outpaces Calvin's matabolism and engulfs him. I see no other option. But I am now very interested and invested in finding a way for Calvin to have a definitive win.
The Thing wins, no questions asked, it attacks on a cellular level and Calvin wouldn’t be able to defend himself and no, Calvin wouldn’t be able to absorb the thing, why? Simple. First and most important. Unlike the Thing, Calvin has never shown any ability whatsoever to absorb things on a cellular level and if we start just inventing abilities of this things then there is no point in discussing this. And second, even if Calvin was unbeatable until his last cell was killed or absorbed, best case canario for him, the Thing would be perpetually absorbing him while he reproduces, ending in a stalemate and worst case scenario for him, the thing absorbs him completely and he dies. And no, Calvin wouldn’t create technology, that’s just freaking ridiculous, why? Because then why isn’t mars full of the technology of these things? And ok I get what you are saying “she said he would use tools to kill the thing, not invent technology” ok fine, what tools? If they found each other in an environment like the jungle he can’t make fire, he doesn’t know how and I doubt he has ever created fire. So where does he get the tools to kill the Thing from? And another thing, the thing CAME IN A SPACESHIP and it was going to take off in a SPACESHIP! We may haven’t seen it use human tools but I can definitely asure you it is more than capable of handling technology MUCH better than Calvin.
Oh Plss tag that bitch so her Calvin bias will end I got really triggered over her Calvin bias and all I heard what she said is Calvin Calvin and not supporting the thing
We can also see based upon the movies alone that Calvin digests and absorbs organic tissue in order to grow and sustain itself. JC's the Thing consumes and assimilates on a cellular level, whether ocular, neural, gastrointestinal, or even immune system cells, it simply doesn't matter to JC's the Thing. Another note between the two creatures is that Calvin does have implied limits to its rate of cellular consumption as compared to JC's the Thing. This can be implied from Calvin consuming a mouse (doubling in size), versus consuming some of Ryan Reynolds (doubling in size again, but we don't know how much was consumed to do this), and then slowly feeding on the biologist's leg to grow even bigger. JC's the Thing fully consumed and almost completely assimilated a man within an unspecified time of several minutes to a few hours. Another point that can be made is that Calvin grows only when it can feed. JC's the Thing grew a large monstrosity from an assimilated form the size of a dog within minutes. JC's the Thing was also seen to sprout large legs from seemingly nothing, suggesting that it can multiply far beyond any rates we have yet to observe from Calvin.
She really likes to try and make it seem like Calvin is just this innoccent little baby that was "just protecting themselves" even though this thing wiped out a planet. As well as give him way more credit. I wonder why? This obvious bias towards Calvin makes any matchup with him seem kind of hard to believe.
You could see it that way but we don’t really know what inhabited Mars, most of the things she said was correct. Besides her not understanding shit about the thing and failing completely to discuss the case for The Thing
Well if you think about how Calvin's body is composed, it becomes obvious that Calvin actually hasn't wiped out all life on Mars. If you consider it contextually, then Calvin is the collective life on Mars, and every cell in his body is consequentially a martian citizen. Calvin as a whole is a colony of Martians. They even said in the movie that every cell was capable of thought, movement, and sight. Using this logic, Calvin isn't simply a baby creature, but the last vestiges of a civilization that, after being revived and doted on for some time. Was suddenly put under threat of death by it's savior. It's only been alive for so long now, and after brushing so closely with death once already, it's instinct for survival would be one hell of a motivator.
Actually you over simplified "The Thing". Its shown many times to be wildly intelligent able to compete with human intellect and dupe those around it into making mistakes or getting alone. Also in the first movie it was shown building a freaking spaceship with a box of scraps! And in the second movie prequel it was clearly turning on the old giant spaceship to leave the planet. The Thing is able to take on the memories of those it copies and it has both human knowledge as well as the pilot alien that crashed the ship into earth. And it was able to recall that knowledge from a single cell all the way up to its hulking form to build and command spaceships! Calvin is near indestructible and has rudimentary intelligence on that of a child or teenager but clearly has no ability to absorb and call upon the memories of those it kills. Every time its reduced to a single cell it can be argued that its basically starting from scratch intellect wise, where as the Thing from single cell onwards it has all of its prior knowledge as well as those of whom ever it assimilates. The thing is far more likely to figure out how to kill it or it would build a ship and fly away as it clearly prefers self preservation over fighting and killing.
The thing most people don’t remember from the thing is that it’s cellular memory is relative to it’s mass, I mean he can remember it but to have complex thoughts like these he needs enough mass, for example, the way they tried to discover the thing in the movie was by separating a blood example and burning it, because it would act on instinct and not be able to think in the act, just imitate and grow, so if Calvin shred it in enough pieces he could (I’m not shure if he can) digest them one at a time whitout it being able to fight back properly, but the thing might imitate him so i wouldn’t give a safe bet, both are extraordinarly strong creatures Well I think Calvin might have cellular memory of what it kills, but of adaptations and by imitating skills, like the abilities we saw in the movie weren’t developed in the movie but he already had this skills and could grow them as soon as he had enough mass, he basically becomes like an octopus at the final stages, i think in mars he already knew how to be an octopus, the fire resistance would play a massive advantage to Calvin,
I agree thing wins but one problem in your theory Calvin being a collection of independent cells, destroying every other cell would not wipe the memory of the remaining cell
But the the beauty of the thing once a cell touches you that’s it. I bet in the blood scene if the guy touched it. It would’ve gone into him & started assimilation
My money is on the thing. The thing absorbs and replaces, where as the other seems to grow and change to survive. I think Calvin would be running for its life. Try foe for the Thing would be the blob, which absorbs and dissolves.
In that regard, I got money on the blob. It’s basically a giant living mass of acid. If the thing tried to absorb the blob, the blob would probably eat and dissolve the thing’s cells faster than it could assimilate.
VarYn The 1958 version of the Blob? Yes, it’s most likely not truly intelligent as it always moved slowly about from place to place with people accidentally either running into it or getting cornered by it. The 1988 version, however, shows a good level of intelligence as it’s able to stealthily ambush and actively hunt people down both with a surprising amount of speed at times and by overwhelming them with its sheer sizes and mass if its gotten big enough; almost like an giant amorphous spider. If that version of the Blob fought the Thing, the Blob would either ambush the Thing and latch onto it before it even knew what was going on or block off all of the Thing’s escape routes and swarm itself around the Thing, consuming it entirely within a matter of seconds.
Alteori, I think you forgot something. It's not just a drop of blood, The Thing doesn't just assimilate blood, it invades ALL CELLS. As soon as Calvin touched the thing, it could assimilate him. And as soon as it affects one cell, it spreads. We don't know how quickly it spreads but due to Calvins small body mass it would likely be 20-30mins maximum. Unfortunately, Calvin doesn't stand a chance simply because of his killer instincts. He would immediately be taken over. And then, The Thing would easily be able to destroy the rest of our planet.
It's truly frightening when you plot the timeline of The Thing and realize that Nauls was consumed from the inside out in about a day. Yeah, Calvin is toast, and 20-30 minutes might even be generous.
Exactly. And once again like I said alot. Shes biased and wants calvin to win. I bet she'd say calvin would win against Godzilla combined WITH the thing. Like bruh
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@@Werewolf914 Actually I just want something to stomp him. He's got to many wins. I actually put him up against several of my favorites like Yautja, Xenomorphs, & Lycans. But I can see were you could get that notion. Lol
Tbh If they both met at their earliest stages, splooge calvin vs drop of blood The Thing, I really think Calvin would have been assimilated far before it even realized the thing was a threat. Now, if they both met after evolving and absorbing a few humans, while I get Calvin is smart, you really are downplaying the intelligence of The Thing. The thing also assimilated the intelligence of its hosts, it wasn't just simple programming or simple instinct, it was smart enough to plot, deceive and fool a whole group of experts up to the point of driving them into paranoia, The Thing never acted randomly, it knew exactly what it was doing the whole time, overall it has shown way more intelligence and adaptability than Calvin did, yes, Calving was curious and it learned to do puzzles but The Thing showed a greater intelligence in a shorter amount of time. So I really thing even in their evolved forms, Calvin would stand no chance against the thing, simply because to analyze The Thing, it needs to touch it and interact with its structure to understand what it is, and at the moment it gets inside the thing, Calvin has already become part of The Thing. Narrowing it down to "Calvin was the last thing left alive in Mars" is no guarantee it would survive literally anything, especially when we don't know how many planets The Thing has left void of life.
Agreed. The Thing not only knew how to destroy a human from the inside out using assimilation, it knew how to destroy a group of humans from the inside out using their own fear and paranoia. THAT's some next level shit right there.
Well Calvin has a strong resistance against elements like the void,realy high temperature and has a lot of strength, and the thing is realy vulnerable to fire, I’m not shure if the thing would assimilate the resistances of Calvin, if he does, well Calvin is screwed, but there’s an important thing of the thing they don’t consider, even thought the thing can assimilate previous victims knowledge, it requires a minimum mass, the less mass it had it was less intelligent, little amounts of the thing like blood samples did react to fire even thought that would uncover it’s mask, it needs a minimum size to make a complex brain, if not is more like a mindless monster, Even if it assimilates Calvin if he breaks the thing in pieces he could digest or rather find a way to destroy the thing, but it would be a realy close fight, and I wouldn’t absolutely bet to Calvin, but I think he could have a chance considering these factors
@@cardescomedioses3674 It wouldn't matter if Calvin broke The Thing into pieces. If it is being assimilated the The Thing has already won. Calvin would have to kill it before the The Thing can assimilate other organic life.
@@cardescomedioses3674 The thing is smarter The thing grows extremely fast while Calvin takes time to digest and grow so the thing would assimilate Calvin easily Calvin has shown no signs of having the ability to split into multiple organisms like the thing The thing has the entire intelligence of everything it ate meaning it can take over the entire world while calvin would take time to grow and possibly not even replicate The thing can literally copy anything its consumed meaning it can copy calvin Assuming calvin learned to use human tech, it only has access to flamethrowers or things its seen work while the thing will know everything the human it ate knew meaning it could find its way to using a nuke If calvin were somehow able to learn how to use fire and have knowledge of the thing it could possibly kill the thing in a 1v1 situation with fire but in terms of assimilation or any other scenario the thing would eventually kill or take over calvins cells. Unless you can come up with a scenario which calvin wins?
Simply touching The Thing is already a death sentence for Calvin because the manner and pace in which it spreads would overwhelm his own biology tenfold. Considering the fact that it has be shown that Calvin increases in size whenever he consumes biomass this would mean that the Thing's natural assimilation process who in fact double due to Calvin's biologic makeup, as well as the Trojan effect the Thing would have within Calvin, the likes of which would go unnoticed by the ever curious Calvin.
Sounds convincing, but no. Calvin is an entity made wholely of a type of cell capable of independent thought, movement, and sight. There is no Trojan horse effect as you call it, because the moment contact is made, Calvin's cells are alerted individually. Not to mention that his cells would see The Things cells like you could see the passengers on a rollercoaster. There is no element of surprise whatsoever. But even ignoring that, "Curious" is a term best saved for infant Calvin. By the end of the movie, he has already become cold and calculated, effectively falling into his role of Apex Predator. Besides it's not like The Thing is shaking Calvin's hand at a pot luck. I don't think The Thing would be able to see Calvin on a cellular level, but if he could, I doubt he'd engage if he didn't have to.
@@jordangray5948 By the time Calvin notices that his biological makeup is getting rearranged it will be too late. While I am aware Calvin evolves to his physical surroundings molecularly speaking he is no match for The Thing.
@@alexissalinas8321 Well that's only an assumption. (Him being no match that is.) But to say he'd notice too late is to ignore the fact that Calvin is a multicellular organism made completely from sentient single cells with the capability of thinking independently and acting the same. It's not a matter of The Thing sneaking into Calvin's body, but of The Thing attempting to blatantly slap him in the face. Calvin's cells are the truth of his existence. (And also his eyes btw.) He would quite literally see the attack coming. You can't hold Calvin to the same expectations of humans because the extent of even his known abilities are like nothing we've seen in any living organism. And infinitely comparable to even The Things. Seeing as Calvin also has the ability assimilate his prey, just much more violently. Where The Thing goes, "Take a seat." Calvin goes, "Mine, gimme."
@@jordangray5948 The only option Calvin has is to escape assimilation by breaking a chunk of its self before he is completely overtaken. Even if Calvin tries to contend with the Thing, the act alone of trying to adapt, one cell at a time (since each is independent), is futile because the Thing attacks from all sides, coordinately, and does not stop. Compare the Things rate of growth to Calvin's, as well as the intelligence gap and it's simply not a contest. Ignoring those simple facts thereby limits the Thing more so than I Calvin (of which I am not, he simply is not as impressive as the Thing).
@@alexissalinas8321 You're trying to limit Calvin's abilities to a level that he has been shown to be above in the movie. Calvin's body is not a solid entity like you or me. Think of the scene at the end of the movie, where Calvin exploded into a web that held the astronaut down. Calvin has the ability to "attack from all sides" as you put it. How can you possibly prove that The Thing is more intelligent than Calvin? By the end of the movie, Calvin is smart enough to operate the escape pods controls. They havent shown that there is any limit to Calvin's ability to process information. Calvin wouldn't simply "adapt one cell at a time". Its exactly because his cells are independent that they would all adapt at the exact same moment. The movie also shows that Calvin has the ability to digest an organism through touch alone, as proven by the rat scene at the beginning of the movie. A physical touch could possibly be just as dangerous for The Thing as it would be for Calvin. I'm not gonna say that Calvin would for sure win. But you also can't say that with what limited information we have toward Calvin's true capabilities. That he wouldn't be a match for The Thing. Especially when what we do know shows him to be a formidable match at minimum.
...Calvin wins the science fair with a sharp stick while the Thing's homemade spaceship only gets him third place..... This battle is won or lost on a cellular level. If a Calvin cell is too strong for a thing cell to penetrate or melt with acid then Calvin wins but if the Thing can capture a single Calvin cell then it gains all of Calvin's abilities making it much easier to capture the rest of Calvin's body
The Thing can perfectly imitate other life. It can also infect Calvin taking it over cell by cell. If we are going by statements in the movie then Calvin took out Mars, but the Thing would be able to completely take out 80's Earth.
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Here’s what’s interesting: the director of LIFE said that Calvin might have found a way to communicate with humans at the end of the film, thus humans may have not been doomed.
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I'm guessing you forgot that the thing was building a ship to get away in the movie, or that by absorbing the knowledge of the original aliens and attempting to fly a gigantic alien ship in the subsequent prequal. The thing assimilates at a cellular level. Meaning one cell of Calvin would be all that is needed to mimic Calvin's abilities and quirks to devastating effect
Calvin would win because if the thing attached to him he would either detach a part of his body,use a tool to rip himself apart from the thing or form acidic blood using the nutrients of the thing ...this didnt happen with other creatures in the thing's movie because they dont evolve and adapt like calvin
Considering the idea that Calvin wouldn't feel threatened by The Thing until it actually attacked I don't see any chance of Calvin winning this fight. Even if a piece of Calvin escaped to regenerate a new Calvin (something implied but never shown), The Thing would BE A NEW CALVIN. It would have ALL of Calvin's abilities. Calvin has NO advantages. If The Thing didn't have access to tool usage before it met Calvin, and considering the fact that it was making a homemade flying saucer I would say it already did, then it sure did after their first contact. Again, all of Calvin's strengths are also The Thing's.
Also there's 80 comic pages worth of the original "The Thing" story found and the producers and screenwriters are using them to create a new yet classic reboot. I'm flippin' ecstatic fam! What do you think about it? Also Calvin's one of my favorite aliens!!
I mean it could have potential, but then again so did the prequel but the studio made them cover up all the practical effects with CGI. Which kind of ruined the entire experience. It really depends on how much the studio decides to unnecessarily interfere with the production of the film.
the thing has done intelligent things in the comics like destroying parts of him so the humans dont suspect it as being the thing and touching the blood in the blood test so it isnt a simple organism
After a certain amount of time of endless fighting though couldnt Calvin just evolved to me immune to the virus that is the thing and just not be infected by it plus with all of the eating of the things wouldnt he eventually just become enormous
@@shadowdagon7358 Calvin wouldnt have time to evolve an immunity to the thing, if it even could. The moment they make any kind of contact, the thing will begin assimilating it. Even if Calvin could somehow break off a piece of itself and escape it'll have even less of a chance of winning as the thing would have absorbed Calvin's dna and would be pretty much unkillable.
The Thing would win imo, it has the intelligence level of every species it has consumed. Calvin on the other hand, despite it's advantages, was fooled by the oxygen lamps. Calvin is basically an advanced animal, like the xenomorphs, whereas the Thing is many species, both instinctual and with higher reasoning, all at once.
The Thing actually believes it's doing the right thing by assimilating other lifeforms as it sees it as making those creatures better, calling the act of assimilation "communion".
Pre watch:the things got this fight in the bag. Post watch: no like you said calvins first idea would be to crush and devour the thing and he would be immediately assimilated considering it only take a few seconds to be devoured.
Redacted Content I feel like it would be a race to see who could do what to who faster. For instance, each cell of Calvin could instantly consume and digest each cell of The Thing. But each cell of The Thing could instantly assimilate each cell of Calvin, so I guess depending on how fast Calvin can eat things, Calvin could win.
@@theapeape5094 That's the thing though, Calvin only attacked something that attacked it first so it's reactionary. Calvin loses because he wasn't the first one to attack
@@akai9446 I would have to agree here, just one touch from the thing and it would be over for kalvin as he wouldn't detect the assimilation process the whole point of that process is to not be detected by its prey..... Kalvin wouldn't even see it coming.
The Thing can attack on a cellular level. If they got into contact with each other, the thing would assimilate Calvin since Calvin doesnt have anything to protect him from the infectioneous bite. Calvin is only able to eat and grow while the Thing is capable of fully replicating a creatures abilities. This wouldn't even be a stalemate. It's a slaughter. The Thing ftw.
But Celvin evolvs immediately. The thing does the same thing but way less complex. While the thing uses parts of other live forms to do what it wants, Celvin eats his prey immediately and adapts to his surroundings as far as possible. So if the Thing would infect Celvin, Celvin would eat on it as well. Celvin doesn't need to copy the abilities of his prey, because he would develop them himself.
Cas Cas Calvin doesn't evolve immediately, if he evolved Immediately that would mean he would evolve to grow bigger when he was small to get out of the glass box he was in when breaking the scientists hands .thing wins hands down tho I don't know much about the thing I do know it's very infectious and Calvin would have to be near or infected by it too adapt but by the time he try's to adapt to it the infection would just eat him u can't assume Calvin is just some super alien just because he adapts fast and evolves fast that doesn't work like that
@@cascas9656 The thing(1982) at a cellular level is more like an infection. The thing's cells would attack, adsorb, and finally imitate Calvins cells. I don't think Calvin has this ability. When Calvin adapts he's changing shape and behavior and his cells remain the same. It doesn't matter how much of this macroscopic adaption he does. if the infection has already taken root, he is toast. Once any part of Calvin is "thingified", his entire mass will eventually be converted cell by cell. Calvin most likely won't even know this is happening. In the Carpenter movie, once the dog-thing is in the kennel, it begins to attack a couple dogs, but it also makes sure to squirt fluid on the others. In case one or two get away, they would eventually be taken over and converted. It's just that this would be a much slower process, so the attack-kill-convert cycle is used when it can. One thing to note, is that the thing from the original book "Who goes there" (1951) does not seem to use this infection motif. It's more of a consume the flesh and then imitate. Though a tiny piece of the creature could eat you from the inside out. If Calvin were put up against a 1951 thing I do think Calvin would win.
@@akai9446 With adapt I dont mean grow. He changes is shape based on his zise throughout the movie, but If the environment would change, Celvin would to.
@@cascas9656 Kalvin absorbs, grows and evolves, but he doesn't work like a living virus tho. His cells would not have any feasible defense against even a single drop of blood from the thing.
Two very different organisms. But I feel like the thing would either absorb and assimilate Calvin. Either that or they would stalemate, fuse, and become a new monster
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"The thing don't have the intelligence of the zenomorphs." Did you see the same film I did lol? The thing gets all the intelligence of its host. Blair once infected or taken over tries to build a ship to fly back to mainland. The thing is very intelligent and learns from its environment. It's smarter than most people.
Calvin just gets absorbed, no contest. The more interesting match-up would be The Thing vs. The Blob. I believe it would result in a stalemate as they would both repel each other on contact. The Blob from the pain of being assimilated, and the Thing from the caustic chemicals in the Blob. On second thought, maybe the blob dissolves he Thing's cells, interrupting the assimilation process? So the Blob wins.
Did the thing just do its thing when it built a UFO to escape Antarctica? This comes from the original novella, as well as the 1982 movie and the 2011 remake/prequel. It obviously knew how to operate machines, and possibly sabotage them. Your intelligence hypothesis is flawed.
Plus calvin only used basic tools (he has mastered pointy stick technology) but nothing complex. It didn't even figure out doors so it's sub JP raptors.
Also, if we look to "Who Goes There", the short story from which JC's the Thing was based, you'll see further evidence of the Thing's superior intellect and cunning.
@@Mr.Agateophile. calvin's intelligence can be compared to a caveman making a stick into a spear. But I guess building spaceships from inferior primitive technology is not mind blowing. 😂
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Same here. I assume that Calvin's species doesn't like competition or violence, so they'll attack or consume whatever is hurting them, be it directly or indirectly...and whatever they deem to associate with it.
The problem with... (A) humans is we see everything as a potential weapon. (B) they automatically tried shocking Calvin to wake him up instead of say changing the tempature.
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You forgot that the second the thing eats a Calvin, the thing will learn everything about Calvin. That is its greatest tool. Also the thing can fly, it gets the ability after eating a bird
The Thing is a lot more intelligent than it appears at first. In the movie it was in the process of building a spaceship from scraps, so it possesses memories and intel from all of its previous imitations. Plus it perfectly copies any organism, meaning if it replicates just about any part of Calvin, it will be able to do everything he can, including his quick thinking and ability to adapt. Even technologically. Also Calvin being responsible for wiping out all life on Mars doesn't really give him advantage. The Thing was also theorised to be able to assimilate all life on Earth terrifiedly fast. I think the Thing has way more chances to win.
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Calvin would win if he somehow avoided making any form of physical contact with the Thing, and burned it remotely to ash. But by nature Calvin is curious so would automatically touch the Thing. Or would only respond aggressively once attacked/ touched. At which point infection begins on a cellular level and it is essentially game over for Calvin.
I'm failing to understand how the Thing(T) wouldn't just assimilate ALL of Calvin(C). Once C ate T, T would continue to assimilate C's cells, until all of C was consumed. We have no reason to think C has any defense against this, and in attacking T, it would probably just increase the speed C is assimilated. Cells do not cease to be part of an organism once assimilated. And each cell ideally works individually, as one cell absorbs, then 2 absorb 2, 4 absorb 4, 8 absorb 8, and so on. C would be fighting off assimilation at every point T came into contact with it. T doesn't assimilate an organism to copy and create another T, the assimlilated organism BECOMES T. The author buried the lead in focusing on each cell being it's own organism. Far more significant is that any one, singular cell can assimilate other organic cells. If a single cell was left, it could assimilate C. Furthermore, C may use tools, but doesn't necessarily know how to create them. T literally rebuilt a spaceship, a task that CLEARLY would require not only tool use, but a FAR more sophisticated grasp of tool usage, as well as (very likely) an intimate knowledge of chemistry and physics. T was able to imitate complex social interactions as when interacting with other humans. As far as I am aware, there's nothing to indicate that this is simply "regurgitation" of the assimilated organisms' memories, and it seems unlikely, since even after assimilating humans, it still had the knowledge to build a freakin' spaceship. Unless it assimilated someone(thing) who had memories of building a spaceship from spare parts, which seems less likely, the T must be quite intelligent, as that would require quite a bit of ingenuity. This also suggests a level of coordination of all T cells, if each cell functions independently as it's own organism. Furthermore, T being able to assimilate an organisms memories, knowledge, etc could give it an advantage once it absorbed a few of C's cells.
Thank you for this!! I remember when I asked and you immediately liked it! This was the match I was waiting for!! Your awesome. I think its a stalemate because the thing whatever it assimilates it also takes the intelligence of what it absorbs. Most have said the thing absorb whatever was on that spaceship that crashed landed on Earth. Even in the movies you see the thing building his own spaceship from spare parts. If the thing keeps absorbing different parts of Calvin I think it will grow smarter just like Calvin not as fast but he will adapt. Plus the thing has also shown to be super resilient to have been dormant in the ice over a hundred thousand years and to have shown a cell can be reactivated. my verdict is I would not want to run into any one of these creatures they spell death and destruction either way. Calvin can wipe out a whole planet so can the Thing. I cannot wait to see what video you'll put out next! What about Slither vs Night of the Creeps. Lol
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Your theory is flawed. The thing's cells absorb other cells on the cellular level, so if the Thing came into contact with Calvin, it would be over for Calvin unless he had some kind of defense mechanism that repelled the thing at the cellular level. He would be absorbed. Also, the thing is highly intelligent. In the movie with Kurt Russell, it was building a machine to get out of the area. It is every bit as smart and resourceful as Calvin. Calvin would not survive.
The Alien would have no way to fight back and/or doesn't have the necessary intelligence to dispatch the ghost. The ghost would probably find a way to kill it eventually or it would become a stalemate as neither side can win.
@@LiightingDestroyer can't it use its acid blood to melt a hole in the wall and escape? Xenos are aware of their blood and will use it to maximum effect. If it can't escape, it would most likely make a small hive and hibernate if the ghost can't kill it...
Wouldn't work alien would show no attention to ghost and if ghost DNT get that emotional energy of fear them nothing will happen neither would fk with eachother
She’s obviously biased towards Calvin, subconsciously maybe, but definitely biased. There’s no way Calvin would beat the Thing, but she wants to believe it would so she completely ignored the intelligence of the Thing and focused on Calvin’s one short moment in the beginning where it solves a puzzle as her reasoning behind Calvin being more intelligent
calvin never stood a chance, making physical contact with the thing in anyway starts your assimilation, it is on a cellular level. All calvin could do is break the part of himself off thats being assimilated, humans are easy, the thing can do much more than the "wiki" says about it. Read up the extended material, novels, comics and stuff
Though Calvin has more durability. The Thing can't take heat, extreme cold or explosions as seen by example. So if you manage to gather all thing-cells into one place and burn them then the thing would effectivly be gone. Also the thing attacks on a cellular level, yes thats true, but it has a specific way of assimilation as seen in the movie. It's not magic. The thing spikey cells could be inable to assimilate or even be countered by Calvins own cell structure. I mean it's impossible to be certain but it's a real possibility.
@@Raffney The Thing can't take heat or cold is irrelevant to this fight, unless you are implying Calvin is smart enough to use a flamethrower, which it is not. It will try to eat the Thing and dies before it realize it's harmful. What's this "specific" way of assimilation you are talking about? Where are you getting the implication that the Thing cannot assimilate another organism?
@@DamnitMan88 You see it in the first movie. Thing cells pierce other cells, that is actually not an unknown way of infection and can potentially be countered by the immune system in various ways. Anyway the immune system of humans can't act fast enough to react to the sheer infection speed of the thing. However that doesn't mean Calvins immune system isn't fast enough. About the durability. Humans and animals are considered a variable in this discussions, since both of them need to assimilate biological matter. So once humans decide to throw fire against the both of them Calvin's durability does count. Imagine them burning a building with both of them inside.
@@Raffney What do you mean "pierce" other cells? Elaborate on this. Who's said it can potentially be countered by an immune system? In what way and how do you know how fast Calvin immune system is? Was it shown in the movie? You say "both" needs to assimilate, so you're implying Calvin can assimilate as well? Where in the movie has Calvin shown to assimilate? I'm confused here... how exactly are humans and animals involve in this battle? It's about the Thing meeting Calvin.
The one problem with your supposition about Calvin's technological prowess, the Thing was making a spaceship on the down-low under Blair's prison using random junk onsite. Calvin wasn't doing that. Calvin was a problem solver to be sure, but he sure as hell wasn't rebuilding/recreating alien technology from random garbage. Realistically I think Calvin would win, but only because his ability to digest the Thing would be faster than the Thing's ability to assimilate Calvin. But this only works if there is equal parts Calvin to Thing. If there is enough extra Thing, say roughly 2/3 more biomass, then the Thing would be able to assimilate enough of Calvin, that even if Calvin successfully separated and regrew, The Thing would essentially BE Calvin at that point, with all his biological strengths. However there a two creatures that would utterly obliterate Calvin or the Thing. The Blob would simply eat both of them, hands down, no contest. And then there's Living Hell, which would outgrow them by such a gigantic margin, that any assimilation would be fruitless, damaged parts would be re-digested back into the main mass, and I'm not sure it can be assimilated.
I think you missed a very important detail about "The Thing" in the fight between the two. For starters, the moment Calvin comes into contact with "The Thing" once they start to battle each other, "The Thing" has already begun assimilating Calvin. All the thing needs is one cell to assimilate, ONE of Calvin's cells, assimilating and copying Calvin's DNA sequence.
What makes this battle go in favor of "The Thing" is the assimilation process, and how quick and successful it is. Once "The Thing's" cells assimilate one of Calvin's cells, "The Thing's" cells quickly camouflage and turn into an exact copy of Calvin's cells, and they quickly proceed to assimilate more cells, and repeat the process over and over. Not even Calvin would be able to tell the difference, especially not in an ensuing intense battle where his only focus is to out-power and kill the new unknown opponent. The thing is(pun intended) that Calvin from the start would have a battle where he is basically fighting on two fronts. This is what makes Calvin lose the fight in favor of "The Thing". Even if Calvin eventually figures out whats going on and detaches that assimilated piece from him, and escapes, that would make the matter even worse for Calvin, turning him into the prey. After that happens, "The Thing" will replicate the DNA sequence and become a copy of Calvin. So then this would turn essentially into a battle of *Calvin vs Calvin* ."The Thing" would not only be one entity, but now two full entities since the detached piece becomes a copy-cat of Calvin. "The Thing", after becoming a copy of Calvin, would gain ALL the advantages of Calvin, which includes his resistance to fire, thus eliminating "The Thing's" weakness. That means "The Thing" would be able to adapt, and evolve, as quick as Calvin. However, "Thing Calvin" would be an improved version of Calvin. If Calvin is already OP, "Thing Calvin" is OP-fuller. Since "The Thing" essentially also assimilates the "personality" of the assimilated host, this means that "The Thing"; now "Thing Calvin", would opt. for a predator tactic against Calvin, and this "Thing Calvin" with its new "personality" no longer feels the need to hide, and fight as a last resort. Now, with its new assimilated "personality", "Thing Calvin" has a mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later". When "Thing Calvin" hunts and finds Calvin, and it will, the second battle would also go down in favor of "The Thing" since like I mentioned before, Calvin would be fighting a battle on two fronts; one against "Thing Calvin" on a organism level, brawling, trying to out-strength one another, and the other front would be on a cellular level, in Calvin's own body. Every contact Calvin has with "Thing Calvin", more of "The Thing's" cells are invading and assimilating more of Calvin. Thus turning *Calvin against himself* . - Oh but Calvin has probably adapted to fighting "The Thing" from their first encounter... + Not a problem for "Thing Calvin" he has also adapted and improve as well after acquiring its new enhancements from assimilating Calvin cells, that also includes an enhanced assimilation due to is new "Thing Calvin" cells. If it was deadly for Calvin before, this time it will finish the Job MUUUUUCH quicker. - But Calvin killed all life on Mars! + "The Thing" possibly did the same with its planet, and possibly is from another Galaxy it completely assimilated. - But Calvin is smart! + "The Thing" is also smart, it has assimilated the intellect of its host, it also learns, and possibly even has a "collective memory" of previous hosts it has assimilated. Which means it possibly has the intellect of countless millions of civilizations it has assimilated. - But Calvin- + No. - But the- + Um No. If Calvin won against the Xenomorph, Calvin will have his own version of the Xenomorph to be afraid of, that is where "The Thing" comes in. "The Thing" is Calvin's Xenomorph to be afraid of. Just Sayin'.
I guess people forget that the thing adapted between the original and prequel movies. In the prequel one of the survivors finds out that the thing can't absorb nonorganic materials like metal tooth filling or implants. But sense the blood cells carry information. The next things after the prequel are able to keep nonorganic materials in the body and it can copy symptoms of diseases or other problems found within a person's body like say you have a heart issue of some kind, the thing can copy it. Also If the thing were to touch your brain first you would be gone instantly, and if I understand correctly, Calvin is 100% muscle, eyes, and a brain at the same time. The things cells can go through a person's blood cells to take the body at minutes to an hour or 2 depending on conditions but the brain is near instantly gone. The example of this is near the end of the first movie a disguised thing sticks its fingers through a man's skin and mouth and the moment they get near the brain, the man shuts down kind of. His reaction is gone because it took control that quickly in just a few seconds. So I see this going 1 of 2 ways Calvin who hates humans jumps on a thing in disguise and the moment he makes contact he dies becoming a thing which allows the thing to adapt after every kill, create better cells, and to be far more aggressive now that it has Calvin which is not a person and who is near unstoppable can infect so many more so much faster. 2 before Calvin attacks the thing he sees a thing attack a person. Do to the fact that he is a pretty smart cookie he understands what it is and leaves before he is gotten by the thing. He will now test for a weakness using technology and find it weakness is fire and either die because he made a mistake or he will burn every thing to nothing. He could theoretically develop a sense to tell if something is a thing in disguise
Ah, I see the DeathMatch Queen strikes again.. Calvin VS J'C's 'The Thing' this time eh.. although The Thing might not seem very intelligent.. it could actually be the opposit when ya break down it's purpose / how it came to be, you see.. from the movie standpoint at least (bare in mind there's two versions of The Thing, and both essentially overlap each other.. with one showing how The Thing was first discovered (1982 version with Kurt Russell) and the other showing how The Thing ended up on earth (2011 remake with Mary Elizabath Winstead) the intelligence kicks in when it finds a host.. it'll replicate it perfectly then it'll wanna blend in to attract the least amount of attention possible.. at this point the only thing on it's mind is to escape by any means (shown by the shower/Helicopter scenes in both movies) showin' self awareness / conciousness at all times when in the presence of other people and it's only when backed up into a corner with no other option that it goes absolutely fuckin' mental lol if Calvin and The Thing were to fight?... fuck, that's a tough one.. two Aliens, one strong as fuck Martian who can adapt to anythin' regardless... VS a sneaky boi who can replicate anythin' perfectly and turns into an absolute psychopath when trapped.. I mean that's a hard fight to call right?
James Moriarty probably but Calvin was able to also control a pod he’s never seen before. So who knows. If I allow Calvin to Roam free one earth he might be able to adapt to human tech
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The thing sabotaged helicopters and radios and used the spare parts to make a space ship. VERY SMART. It knew that humans die in cold and it doesn't. The main advantage kalvin has is his flame resistance. The thing lacks such a defense. But the thing, is much more smart as it legit gains knowledge in the form of memorys from people and things. Its SMART.
As far as i know Kelvin can't attack, assimilate, and mimick on the cellular level tho. I don't think this would go in his favour by any measure. Just one random droplet of blood and it would be over for him.
Just watched this and enjoyed it. I instantly subscribed and liked it. I read through some of the comments and it seems a lot of people favor the thing. It’s definitely a hard matchup IMO and I think you did your best to analyze it and present it. Calvin seems super resilient and super hard to kill as with the Thing. I think there is much more content out there for the thing than there is Calvin simply because the Thing has been out for several decades and lore is well established. At the time you made this video Calvin the movie was only 3 years old. Long story short I think there is more to Calvin than the movie portrays. I’d be curious to see if there’s more and then a part two of this matchup would be cool.
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I'mma keep it a hundo witcha, chica: if you have a cell, any cell, you lose to the Thing. Period. You have the abilities of the two mixed up. Even your take on the xeno morph confrontation is wrong. Calvin is a hydrogen/oxygen based life form, that's why it was emphasised at the end of the movie that the shuttle landed in the ocean. To infer that it would use that water and subsequent life in it to expand. That's why fire hurt it. That's it went into the coolant tanks of the astronaut when trapped outside the space station. That's why it cradled the hydrogen flares that where used as bait near the end of the movie. It has to breath in whatever shape form or fashion that it does. It literally says this in the movie (sans the having to breathe part but the inference is implied). So when you tell me that it basically takes a shat on the xeno morph (which has acidic blood way stronger then anything known to man, that that acidic blood would not decimate something that needs an eart like environment to thrive) I call foul. To add insult to injury you double down and say that it's out of the league of JC's Thing, which is a creature that dominates and assimilates ANY BIOLOGICAL thing on a CELLULAR LEVEL... I say no. Calvin converts viable biological material into useable biomass. The Thing doesn't care about your biology or adapted physiology because it dominates you at a CELLULAR level. It circumnavigates all by attacking the basic fundamental building blocks of said super adapted biology/physiology. As said in the beginning: if you a cell, any cell, the more cells the better, you lose.
Yeah but the thing still has to dissolve Calvin down to the very last cell to truly kill him which the thing can’t do so it’d probably be a battle forever
@@gandalf2447 and why not? calvin has to eat to grow but the thing just needs to replicate onto the next cell(s) in calvin's body. Assuming calvin even realized what was happening to him he would eventually run out of biomass to consume to stave off the ever growing thing cells and at a certain point(at least 51% more likely 60-75% I'd say) the thing portion would just turn active and envelop the remaining calvin cells preventing it from consuming any more.
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I feel like you should do more research on the Thing because it seems like you’re being biased with your comparison. The thing is really intelligent actually.
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How intelligent is the thing The thing about the thing that scares me is the fact it can access the ;(memories;) of it's host witch leaves me with one question can such a creature be reasoned with if you were talking to a thing and tryed to talk to it perhaps try to give a different option like corporationing with you it's smart enough to know mimic a human almost perfectly so can it feel human emotion or is it just a bag of animal instincts
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People overselling The Things intelligence. The Thing wouldnt have time to build a spaceship or a weapon if they both got dumped on a deserted island in a fight to the death.
Way to much credit for Calvin in my opinion, same against the Alien. The stuff about every cell being brains, eyes etc is just bull. They just said stuff like that without any proofe, same with Life on Mars. Calvin needs time to adapt, the Acid does not wait for a few minutes, it will melt Calvin faster compared to adapting against it, another thing, any kind of Life form will need energy for stuff like that. The Thing on the other hand does not only Assimilate Cells, it can copy non organic matter as well. Its assimilation time is really fast, organic changes can happen in a fraction of a second. It literally out-performs Calvin, how can Calvin protect itself if the Things Cells can blend it with Calvins Cells as well. It will assimilate Calvin without Calvin even knowing it. Once the Thing has 1 Cell from Calvin, it can be Calvin as well. Alteori may not see this comment. pls like it so that she can read it =D Good weekend 2 everyone.
From what I gather the entire concept of cosmic horror revolves around the fact that there are beings compared to whom humans are not even like microbes. So I think perfect copy works well in this case.The thing doesn't need to be relatable( which I hear is the problem with Superman). It's a lovecraftian, otherworldly, probably other dimensional creature beyond human understanding.
Calvin would be assimilated after his first initial contact with The Thing. The Thing would take over Calvins body and Calvin would be no longer unless The Thing wants to use that form. Watch the movies.
I don’t think it would be a long fight. The thing will be stealthily aggressive and Calvin will defend himself unless he was the one who attacked first. Calvin doesn’t know what the thing is neither does the thing know of Calvin so it’s likely they will come in contact. The moment Calvin touches the thing he has no chance of defeating the thing. He will be absorbed and his will belongs to the thing now. If Calvin gets away some how then it’s only a matter of time. The things DNA will probably take over him having Calvin not even knowing. If the fight is some how prolonged. The thing will have Calvins abilities added to its own. Calvin may be able to adapt but the Thing will always be a step ahead now.
Considering all of Calvin's cells are muscle and nerve cells, he most likely would know if he's infected and would probably cut the infected appendage, but yeah he still has no chance.
@@jhevgainz2307 that's the thing though the things cells replicate and copy Calvin's perfectly stealthily replacing Calvin's own cells he wouldn't even notice it happening
@@jhevgainz2307 Except that the reason viruses are so effective against us is because we don't know when they're infected. That's what we have vaccines for. Calvin doesn't have a vaccine, and his cells won't know they're infected, just going about their regular functions and replicating, and infecting too much of his body before he realizes it.
all the advantages you note for calvin would be transferred to the thing as soon as it assimilates any bit of calvin. The thing built a spaceship and from what they showed, holds onto the DNA and info from anything it ever came into contact with. Also, since the thing actually absorbs the cells it assimilates, eventually there would be no calvin cells left. Thing wins
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😐The Thing, copies down to a molecular level making a perfect clone😐... I think your fan n out sweetheart🤣🤣 I'm not a fan of neither I'm just going off of the lore. Calvin can eat and accumulating only after consumption but not copy. He may acquired knowledge to try to adapt but only after he's been completely copied. Remember, "all the way down to molecular level."😐 If you like you can call a stalemate but the Thing wins due to that attribute of its anatomy. If anything thing, The Thing gets an upgrade🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Why?!😐 Because now its immune to fire as well due to Calvin.😐😶 So😐....... There's that😐...... Remember, a perfect clone😐😐😐 But awesome video tho😁👍
YAYKS..... this gived me CREAPS ... and I known this is nothing more them movie monsters VS video, but after reminding my self of those movies, I really gets the goosebumps after this ,again whhhhhhh
I just realised: if Calvin was to get in the ocean, he could easily keep eating progressively bigger animals, so he could theorically grow to be a shapeshifting, super intelligent and adaptive kaiju... Can you imagine kaiju kelvin? I'd say it could potentially get big enough to kill and eat another kaiju and become some absurdly enormous beast that could take on everything
Calvin doesn't seem to be able to absorb. He just seems to increase his mass and adapt to situations. Not really much proof that his intelligence increases by any amount when he consumes prey. Also not really sure if shape-shifting is part of his abilities.
Andrew French bruh did u not watch the movie? He literally managed to Control a oof he’s never seen before, break out of containment using the shocker, Adapted to survive in space for a bit,
@@curryposterizeslewashedjam3588 That is just simple problem solving and his own biology already allowing for space survival. And I don't know what an oof is. But the Thing perfectly copies the memories of the people that is absorbs to be able to accurately imitate them and gains actual advanced knowledge. They just can't compare. And your argument doesn't really challenge any of my points from my previous post.
@@curryposterizeslewashedjam3588 actually eating is a simple survival skill, and growing and adapting as he did is simple. He never solved any complex problems or showed any great intelligence. As to him piloting the escape Pod, he didn't. The escape pod was already set for earth, that's why someone needed to be in it to pilot it into space. All Calvin did was trap the pilot and stop them from being able to do that and so it went on its intended course to earth.
Outmatched, full stop. Calvin doesn't stand a chance from an attack by a creature that reproduces itself by simply touching you. Calvin would have to be able resist the cellular digestion process. The Thing would have turned the entire world in just a few months if it had escaped.
The thing was Calvin when the aliens found it on Mars they wanted to use it to create bio weapons and they mutated it and changed it to create a bio weapon but it got out and wanted to go to earth but Sargent Zip Glop the last alien on the ship crashed it in the Arctic to contain it.
If The Thing were to infect Calvin, it would infect every single part of it that was connected. Even if Calvin broke a smaller part of itself away to avoid it, The Thing would simply eventually assimilate those smaller pieces. The Thing already has the intelligence and knowledge of anything it has already assimilated. It doesn't need to learn much of anything. It will know everything Calvin does anyway.
You're incorrect if you haven't watched the movie closely you'll remember the thing was getting bigger every time it absorbs something. And you're saying that if it absorb something it was still a thing what you didn't realize again is the thing if it absorb the dog if it became a dog and was suddenly able to run like a dog would at high speed. So if it absorbed the bird the assumption is it would be able to fly away as a bird. You're failing to remember how adaptable the thing was while I don't think it could absorb intelligence again I don't know, it did prove itself to be very adaptable and it was able to mimic things down to the cellular level. So if it was able to absorb some of Calvin cells wouldn't it be seen that it would be able to mimic Calvin's current form?
Disagree. The Thing can also hibernate, over 100,000 years. Who is to say The Thing did not wipe everything on it's planet, hence why it got on a spaceship in search of another planet to "consume". Also, early renditions of The Thing give a hint as to the creatures from the planet where it came from. This means that The Thing could totally mimic/assimilate and fly or hover just like Calvin. The fact that Calvin could not escape Mars and had to wait for something or someone to come along to bring him elsewhere means he is nowhere as advanced as The Thing. In the prequel to The Thing, near the end when the girl goes inside The Things spaceship, there is a floating interface that literally shows thousands upon thousands of smaller interfaces. The Thing's cells all work independently of one another. In the first movie when Blair was locked up, he quickly began to tunnel underneath and started to build a makeshift spaceship out of parts that were just laying about. Calvin could not do that. If so much as a single drop of The Thing got inside of Calvin, it would be over for Calvin. The Thing would immediately begin to replace Calvin's cells with replicas of itself.
The thing has proven to learn entire languages upon absorbing one individual, and had been caught building its own spaceship from 1980’s scrap, so the Thing can adapt to its environment and be technology savvy. The thing destroying blood samples also shows it’s not a mindless organism. The theory that it accidentally crashed the ship that landed it on earth is not probable. The thing would just become a more horrific version of Calvin. The Thing wins.
Alteori though you make a compelling argument on how Calvin would beat the thing, you must remember that the thing itself was discovered making a space craft underneath a human settlement salvaged from helicopter parts. Calvin may be able to use tools but the thing on the other hand would not only use tools but could develop multiple minds of its own to create a weapon powerful enough to downright kill Calvin. Not to mention the thing itself could develop itself enough limbs or body parts that would have enough strength to rip lil' Calvin to peices. Other than that good video and keep em coming
The longer they both grow before confronting each other the more likely it is that Calvin will understand The Thing enough to win. Also... Calvin's proto/supercells might be resistant to being absorbed by The Thing.
@@hariman7727Calvin's cells can't be immune to the thing's assimilation, It'll end up copying them moment of contact and gain Calvin's knowledge and abilities
One problem with this argument is that the Thing IS able to use technology. In the ‘82 film the scientist (Blair?) Thing almost finished building a flying saucer out of cannibalised snow-cat parts in a shed in under 24hrs. In the prequel the things gets the original flying saucer working and is about to take off. It appears that even tiny fragments of the Thing are encoded with the memories and abilities of all former hosts.
The Thing is far more than you give it credit for. With everything it ingests it doesn't just eat them it becomes them. And because of this we know that it absolutely knows how to use tools. We see this when at one point in the original move we find out that the Thing is actually building another spaceship to presumably escape from the South pole. So, in each cell of its body it, seemingly, has all of the knowledge of it's former hosts. No one in that that science station knew how to build a spaceship but the Thing did showing us also that it retained information from host to host. So there would be no learning curve for the Thing. It would ingest part of Calvin, make a copy and then fool Calvin long enough to then completely absorb him.
One problem you have is saying the THING isn't smart. It was building it's own space ship out of crap in a arctic science station. It's pretty damn smart.
@Jerson Castillo NO, he's talking about how the Blair-Thing, after being left alone in the tool shed for a day, salvaged parts from the helicopter and Thiokol into a makeshift space ship to escape Antarctica. This was almost straight out of the original story "Who Goes There" where the Blair-Thing. after being left alone in the tool shed for a day, cobbled together a flying sled to escape the Arctic.
The Thing absorbs the knowledge of every lifeform it assimilates.
Every single cell has this knowledge somehow.
Who knows how many super advanced alien species it has assimilated?
I bet The Thing is capable of creating super advanced alien weaponry.
Calvin doesn't stand a chance.
Yeah, I think the ending of "The Thing" was forgotten when this video was made. Not much is known about what The Thing is thinking or what it wants exactly, but it's definitely smart.
Also remembering that it purposely would do stuff to 'frame' other members.
@@rsrt6910 have u watched the thing 2011
even if you discount the fact the thing was building a god damn spaceship. The thing was able to pass itself off as other people mimicking everything right down to Norris's weak heart and it knew to act like a human would act if their heart gave out.
Hell it even assisted with its own "capture" during the blood test scene.
Theres the theory that the "thing" has a collective memory of all of its assimilation making it extremely intelligent. My money is on the thing.
The flood would destroy both of them.
@@shugo5130 Tyranids>Flood
I think that the larger the thing is, the more intelligent it is, because we've seen the smaller things from the blood or the head that have behaved in simple ways with only the goal of survival
yes, the smaller the parts, less smart they are, but larger parts are smarter and can access more information from previous assimilated creatures. it is smart enough to build and operate spaceships, if given enough time
Garmr I mean it’s a lose lose scenario if the tyranid and flood ever meet. Either the flood assimilate the tyranids and gain a free super shadow without needing the grave mind to establish a warp presence + upgrades to their hive mind and plenty of information on the 40k universe. Or the tyranids assimilate the flood and gain primordial DNA (this would be real fucking bad for the 40k), the ability to get all the memories of things they assimilate, and the ability to make something similar to a gravemind/keymind which gives them access to the space roads (basically a more effective means of travel) and neurophysics which they can use against the necrons. Either way biological, machine, and any other life (and eventually Warp entities) are screwed if either super race assimilate each other. It’s a lose lose for everyone.
They'd absorb each other until their cells are so intertwined that they're effectively one creature.
That would be something disturbing.
The perfect.... Organism....
Ok i can get behind this
Lol
I was thinking the same thing, they would become a new hybrid parasite/apex predator if Calvin has any physical contact with the Thing
The Thing copies everything down to the cellular level, even the brain. Therefore, it should inherit the intelligence of the original, at least in its macro forms. Remember, it was in the process of building something underground that looked suspiciously like a disc-shaped spacecraft. So, potentially it retains a great deal of knowledge from previous forms.
it does.. Being that Calvin is a cellular lifeform. Calvin eating the Thing will just assimilate Calvin a lot faster. Not to mention give the Thing a massive advantage = fire resistance, in the form of knowing the DNA make up for this.
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@Dick Balls • 30 years ago I'll take that as a compliment
@@georgegobin1839 Fun Fact: the first "the thing" movie came 1951out, a nice movie for its age. But because it nobody knows about it.
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It called who goes there.
Haven't seen it but I have read the book
The thing was shown to use tools. It mimiced jobs performed by the staff in the offices both Nordic and Us base. Also before moving on to the U.S base it was operating its ship before it was destroyed. Saying Only Calvin was able to use tools and the thing was animalistic is incorrect.
Yes, it is incorrect, if I recall right it was because the mask fell off and he tried hard to kill them or was the severed pieces not being able to think
I might be remembering it wrong but in the Life 2017 Calvin uses a tool only a single time through out the whole run? Like that's not smarter than a capuchin !
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people also forget the thing was making a homemade spaceship out of random parts
The thing is much more intelligent, in the comics continuing from the original movie the thing assimilates an entire camp of soldiers and still act like them and has learned pack mentality or something similar. The Thing is much more akin to Borgs, The Flood, and other assimilating species. Calvin is no match for the thing, in all honesty, all we see in the movie is Calvin killing relatively defenseless people. In both movies and the comic, the Thing fought and won against people with guns, flamethrowers, grenades, and was only killed(?) when it got trapped in a nuke submarine set to self destruct.
True and I guess you can see we really didn't know what Calvin was up against but based on what the theory is in the movie, Calvin (his species) is responsible for wiping out all life on Mars.
@@Alteori To be fair, it's not even a theory in universe it's speculation, nothing else in the film supports it. (and to get meta it's just a line thrown in to make the audiance go ooo, and it really didn't need it because the movie and monster were both cool enough without that terrible line.)
@@Alteori and the thing could be responsible for wiping all life on untold thousands of planets since it knows how to construct vehicles and was building what appeared to be a flying saucer in its movie. So this is kind of a moot point.
@@Alteori it was only a speculation that he wiped out all life on mars. The trouble with this is that it can also be speculated that all life on mars was wiped out by a catastrophic cosmic event that caused the atmosphere to be destroyed (IE a solar flare), and calvin just had the right tools to survive it and go into a dormant state. But let's give calvin the benefit of the doubt and say he wiped out all life on mars, but then how many worlds would have been assimilated by the thing since it knew how to build and operate spaceships? Calvin is smart, but its more akin to basic tool making than making complex machines that the Thing can certainly do.
One thing is for certain though. The moment calvin touches the Thing, he's doomed. The thing invades, not only blood, but all organic tissue so perfectly that the host immune system considers that invasive cell as part of the host body infact it doesnt even know its an invasive cell. The thing will take over more cells that it has come in contact with and proliferate until it takes over the host body, and the host body will never know it was already assimilated.
@@Alteori
To be fair, I've heard the same speculation about the Thing.
The thing assimilates its prey. The other just gets bigger from what was shown in the movie. The thing for the win
Did you not see the video
@@macaarrooon That does not mean she is right you know. The thing is not so easily beaten.
Both creatures are fictional, and if the creators of both stories had their say, I'm pretty sure both of them would insist their creature would win.
'Tis the nature of favoritism.
They would become a Hybrid since the Thing assimilates any organism that comes in physical contact with it, Calvin would have to avoid any kind of physical contact period, unless there's something in his biological make up to keep assimilation from happening
@Adventist No.
If you want to be honest then nobody actually knows which creature would win as both are biologically impossible and entirely fictional.
So at the end of the day it comes down to personal bias which side wins, little else.
Going by their abilities it is honestly impossible to predict which would win as both have some advantage over each other.
(Calvin is harder to destroy but is incapable of full assimilation whereas the thing is vulnerable to extreme cold and heat but entirely capable of assimilating any living creature, and I mean any. That includes Calvin)
It would only take a single Calvin cell to be converted for the thing to acquire every single one Calvin's abilities and overall intelligence.
As you can tell, I lean in the direction of the thing winning due to its ridiculous assimilation abilities that can mimic anything down to a perfect molecular copy.
@Adventist Calvin, aware of the supercellular parasite assimilating him, grows at an almost cancerous rate to compensate for the infected cells. The thing, aware it has been spotted, starts to twist and morph Calvin until Calvin is just an unpleasant to look at blob of teeth and stringy flesh. A stalemate. Or, alternatively, the thing outpaces Calvin's matabolism and engulfs him. I see no other option. But I am now very interested and invested in finding a way for Calvin to have a definitive win.
The Thing wins, no questions asked, it attacks on a cellular level and Calvin wouldn’t be able to defend himself and no, Calvin wouldn’t be able to absorb the thing, why? Simple.
First and most important. Unlike the Thing, Calvin has never shown any ability whatsoever to absorb things on a cellular level and if we start just inventing abilities of this things then there is no point in discussing this.
And second, even if Calvin was unbeatable until his last cell was killed or absorbed, best case canario for him, the Thing would be perpetually absorbing him while he reproduces, ending in a stalemate and worst case scenario for him, the thing absorbs him completely and he dies.
And no, Calvin wouldn’t create technology, that’s just freaking ridiculous, why? Because then why isn’t mars full of the technology of these things? And ok I get what you are saying “she said he would use tools to kill the thing, not invent technology” ok fine, what tools? If they found each other in an environment like the jungle he can’t make fire, he doesn’t know how and I doubt he has ever created fire. So where does he get the tools to kill the Thing from?
And another thing, the thing CAME IN A SPACESHIP and it was going to take off in a SPACESHIP! We may haven’t seen it use human tools but I can definitely asure you it is more than capable of handling technology MUCH better than Calvin.
You pretty much summed up my thoughts. I just think you could have said it a little nicer. :)
Oh Plss tag that bitch so her Calvin bias will end I got really triggered over her Calvin bias and all I heard what she said is Calvin Calvin and not supporting the thing
@@TFGh0st_VC I thought I'm the only one who's annoyed about the calvin bias in this channel, specially in this vid jesus is she serious?
We can also see based upon the movies alone that Calvin digests and absorbs organic tissue in order to grow and sustain itself. JC's the Thing consumes and assimilates on a cellular level, whether ocular, neural, gastrointestinal, or even immune system cells, it simply doesn't matter to JC's the Thing.
Another note between the two creatures is that Calvin does have implied limits to its rate of cellular consumption as compared to JC's the Thing. This can be implied from Calvin consuming a mouse (doubling in size), versus consuming some of Ryan Reynolds (doubling in size again, but we don't know how much was consumed to do this), and then slowly feeding on the biologist's leg to grow even bigger. JC's the Thing fully consumed and almost completely assimilated a man within an unspecified time of several minutes to a few hours.
Another point that can be made is that Calvin grows only when it can feed. JC's the Thing grew a large monstrosity from an assimilated form the size of a dog within minutes. JC's the Thing was also seen to sprout large legs from seemingly nothing, suggesting that it can multiply far beyond any rates we have yet to observe from Calvin.
Okay while I agree The Thing will win in a fight, why y'all gotta call her a bitch lmao. They both fiction guys chill.
She really likes to try and make it seem like Calvin is just this innoccent little baby that was "just protecting themselves" even though this thing wiped out a planet. As well as give him way more credit. I wonder why? This obvious bias towards Calvin makes any matchup with him seem kind of hard to believe.
You could see it that way but we don’t really know what inhabited Mars, most of the things she said was correct. Besides her not understanding shit about the thing and failing completely to discuss the case for The Thing
yeeeup, too biasedddddddd
Simpi'n for Calvin!
Well if you think about how Calvin's body is composed, it becomes obvious that Calvin actually hasn't wiped out all life on Mars.
If you consider it contextually, then Calvin is the collective life on Mars, and every cell in his body is consequentially a martian citizen. Calvin as a whole is a colony of Martians. They even said in the movie that every cell was capable of thought, movement, and sight.
Using this logic, Calvin isn't simply a baby creature, but the last vestiges of a civilization that, after being revived and doted on for some time. Was suddenly put under threat of death by it's savior. It's only been alive for so long now, and after brushing so closely with death once already, it's instinct for survival would be one hell of a motivator.
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Actually you over simplified "The Thing". Its shown many times to be wildly intelligent able to compete with human intellect and dupe those around it into making mistakes or getting alone. Also in the first movie it was shown building a freaking spaceship with a box of scraps! And in the second movie prequel it was clearly turning on the old giant spaceship to leave the planet. The Thing is able to take on the memories of those it copies and it has both human knowledge as well as the pilot alien that crashed the ship into earth. And it was able to recall that knowledge from a single cell all the way up to its hulking form to build and command spaceships! Calvin is near indestructible and has rudimentary intelligence on that of a child or teenager but clearly has no ability to absorb and call upon the memories of those it kills. Every time its reduced to a single cell it can be argued that its basically starting from scratch intellect wise, where as the Thing from single cell onwards it has all of its prior knowledge as well as those of whom ever it assimilates. The thing is far more likely to figure out how to kill it or it would build a ship and fly away as it clearly prefers self preservation over fighting and killing.
I know, right?
I mean, even Tony Stark needed a few weeks to build his first suit of armor from scraps.
The Blair-Thing was almost done in a day!
The thing most people don’t remember from the thing is that it’s cellular memory is relative to it’s mass, I mean he can remember it but to have complex thoughts like these he needs enough mass, for example, the way they tried to discover the thing in the movie was by separating a blood example and burning it, because it would act on instinct and not be able to think in the act, just imitate and grow, so if Calvin shred it in enough pieces he could (I’m not shure if he can) digest them one at a time whitout it being able to fight back properly, but the thing might imitate him so i wouldn’t give a safe bet, both are extraordinarly strong creatures
Well I think Calvin might have cellular memory of what it kills, but of adaptations and by imitating skills, like the abilities we saw in the movie weren’t developed in the movie but he already had this skills and could grow them as soon as he had enough mass, he basically becomes like an octopus at the final stages, i think in mars he already knew how to be an octopus, the fire resistance would play a massive advantage to Calvin,
I agree thing wins but one problem in your theory Calvin being a collection of independent cells, destroying every other cell would not wipe the memory of the remaining cell
But the the beauty of the thing once a cell touches you that’s it. I bet in the blood scene if the guy touched it. It would’ve gone into him & started assimilation
@@maxedout199 not true. Remember the huskies?
My money is on the thing. The thing absorbs and replaces, where as the other seems to grow and change to survive. I think Calvin would be running for its life. Try foe for the Thing would be the blob, which absorbs and dissolves.
In that regard, I got money on the blob. It’s basically a giant living mass of acid.
If the thing tried to absorb the blob, the blob would probably eat and dissolve the thing’s cells faster than it could assimilate.
The Blob was the only creature I ever saw who could beat the Thing. Good call👌
Not to mention that the Blob is a single cell organism, there are no small cells for the Thing to absorb.
Only problem is the blob is not intelligent
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The 1958 version of the Blob?
Yes, it’s most likely not truly intelligent as it always moved slowly about from place to place with people accidentally either running into it or getting cornered by it.
The 1988 version, however, shows a good level of intelligence as it’s able to stealthily ambush and actively hunt people down both with a surprising amount of speed at times and by overwhelming them with its sheer sizes and mass if its gotten big enough; almost like an giant amorphous spider.
If that version of the Blob fought the Thing, the Blob would either ambush the Thing and latch onto it before it even knew what was going on or block off all of the Thing’s escape routes and swarm itself around the Thing, consuming it entirely within a matter of seconds.
Alteori, I think you forgot something.
It's not just a drop of blood, The Thing doesn't just assimilate blood, it invades ALL CELLS.
As soon as Calvin touched the thing, it could assimilate him. And as soon as it affects one cell, it spreads. We don't know how quickly it spreads but due to Calvins small body mass it would likely be 20-30mins maximum.
Unfortunately, Calvin doesn't stand a chance simply because of his killer instincts. He would immediately be taken over.
And then, The Thing would easily be able to destroy the rest of our planet.
It's truly frightening when you plot the timeline of The Thing and realize that Nauls was consumed from the inside out in about a day.
Yeah, Calvin is toast, and 20-30 minutes might even be generous.
One possible exception. If the Thing is vulnerable to acid then acid Calvin makes might be enough to burn Thing Cells.
Exactly. And once again like I said alot. Shes biased and wants calvin to win. I bet she'd say calvin would win against Godzilla combined WITH the thing. Like bruh
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@@RequiemPoete the problem is as soon as the thing absorbs one of calvins cells it gains calvins knoledge and complete acess to calvins abilities
What if Pumpkin Head was summoned to take revenge on the Jeeper Creeper?
What if Jeeper Creeper was targeted the Yautja?
What if Xenomorphs stalked his hunting ground? Like a queen landed within miles of his hunting grounds birthed a legion of soldiers, drones, etc. would he fight try to kill them or flee? What if somehow he's bottled up in a quarantine zone and can't get of there?
What if the Dragons from Reign of Fire wiped us out or makes us endangered? Would Jeeper fight them to save us? Or switch to try & somehow make them a food source?
Jeeper Creeper vs A Lycan & vampire from Underworld? Or Marcus & Michael?
Van Helsing (Hugh Jackman) & any or all of the Monsters he fought vs any of the mentioned creatures above?
Pumpkin Head vs any of the opponents mentioned above?
What if the Cloverfield monster showed up in the Pacific Rim universe?
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Tell me more
You're a fan of Jeepers Creepers I take it?
@@Werewolf914 How could you tell?
@@Werewolf914 Actually I just want something to stomp him. He's got to many wins. I actually put him up against several of my favorites like Yautja, Xenomorphs, & Lycans.
But I can see were you could get that notion. Lol
Tbh If they both met at their earliest stages, splooge calvin vs drop of blood The Thing, I really think Calvin would have been assimilated far before it even realized the thing was a threat. Now, if they both met after evolving and absorbing a few humans, while I get Calvin is smart, you really are downplaying the intelligence of The Thing. The thing also assimilated the intelligence of its hosts, it wasn't just simple programming or simple instinct, it was smart enough to plot, deceive and fool a whole group of experts up to the point of driving them into paranoia, The Thing never acted randomly, it knew exactly what it was doing the whole time, overall it has shown way more intelligence and adaptability than Calvin did, yes, Calving was curious and it learned to do puzzles but The Thing showed a greater intelligence in a shorter amount of time. So I really thing even in their evolved forms, Calvin would stand no chance against the thing, simply because to analyze The Thing, it needs to touch it and interact with its structure to understand what it is, and at the moment it gets inside the thing, Calvin has already become part of The Thing. Narrowing it down to "Calvin was the last thing left alive in Mars" is no guarantee it would survive literally anything, especially when we don't know how many planets The Thing has left void of life.
Agreed.
The Thing not only knew how to destroy a human from the inside out using assimilation, it knew how to destroy a group of humans from the inside out using their own fear and paranoia.
THAT's some next level shit right there.
Well Calvin has a strong resistance against elements like the void,realy high temperature and has a lot of strength, and the thing is realy vulnerable to fire, I’m not shure if the thing would assimilate the resistances of Calvin, if he does, well Calvin is screwed, but there’s an important thing of the thing they don’t consider, even thought the thing can assimilate previous victims knowledge, it requires a minimum mass, the less mass it had it was less intelligent, little amounts of the thing like blood samples did react to fire even thought that would uncover it’s mask, it needs a minimum size to make a complex brain, if not is more like a mindless monster, Even if it assimilates Calvin if he breaks the thing in pieces he could digest or rather find a way to destroy the thing, but it would be a realy close fight, and I wouldn’t absolutely bet to Calvin, but I think he could have a chance considering these factors
@@cardescomedioses3674 It wouldn't matter if Calvin broke The Thing into pieces. If it is being assimilated the The Thing has already won. Calvin would have to kill it before the The Thing can assimilate other organic life.
@@cardescomedioses3674 exactly.
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The thing is smarter
The thing grows extremely fast while Calvin takes time to digest and grow so the thing would assimilate Calvin easily
Calvin has shown no signs of having the ability to split into multiple organisms like the thing
The thing has the entire intelligence of everything it ate meaning it can take over the entire world while calvin would take time to grow and possibly not even replicate
The thing can literally copy anything its consumed meaning it can copy calvin
Assuming calvin learned to use human tech, it only has access to flamethrowers or things its seen work while the thing will know everything the human it ate knew meaning it could find its way to using a nuke
If calvin were somehow able to learn how to use fire and have knowledge of the thing it could possibly kill the thing in a 1v1 situation with fire but in terms of assimilation or any other scenario the thing would eventually kill or take over calvins cells. Unless you can come up with a scenario which calvin wins?
Simply touching The Thing is already a death sentence for Calvin because the manner and pace in which it spreads would overwhelm his own biology tenfold.
Considering the fact that it has be shown that Calvin increases in size whenever he consumes biomass this would mean that the Thing's natural assimilation process who in fact double due to Calvin's biologic makeup, as well as the Trojan effect the Thing would have within Calvin, the likes of which would go unnoticed by the ever curious Calvin.
Sounds convincing, but no. Calvin is an entity made wholely of a type of cell capable of independent thought, movement, and sight. There is no Trojan horse effect as you call it, because the moment contact is made, Calvin's cells are alerted individually. Not to mention that his cells would see The Things cells like you could see the passengers on a rollercoaster. There is no element of surprise whatsoever. But even ignoring that, "Curious" is a term best saved for infant Calvin. By the end of the movie, he has already become cold and calculated, effectively falling into his role of Apex Predator. Besides it's not like The Thing is shaking Calvin's hand at a pot luck. I don't think The Thing would be able to see Calvin on a cellular level, but if he could, I doubt he'd engage if he didn't have to.
@@jordangray5948 By the time Calvin notices that his biological makeup is getting rearranged it will be too late.
While I am aware Calvin evolves to his physical surroundings molecularly speaking he is no match for The Thing.
@@alexissalinas8321 Well that's only an assumption. (Him being no match that is.) But to say he'd notice too late is to ignore the fact that Calvin is a multicellular organism made completely from sentient single cells with the capability of thinking independently and acting the same. It's not a matter of The Thing sneaking into Calvin's body, but of The Thing attempting to blatantly slap him in the face. Calvin's cells are the truth of his existence. (And also his eyes btw.) He would quite literally see the attack coming. You can't hold Calvin to the same expectations of humans because the extent of even his known abilities are like nothing we've seen in any living organism. And infinitely comparable to even The Things. Seeing as Calvin also has the ability assimilate his prey, just much more violently. Where The Thing goes, "Take a seat." Calvin goes, "Mine, gimme."
@@jordangray5948 The only option Calvin has is to escape assimilation by breaking a chunk of its self before he is completely overtaken.
Even if Calvin tries to contend with the Thing, the act alone of trying to adapt, one cell at a time (since each is independent), is futile because the Thing attacks from all sides, coordinately, and does not stop.
Compare the Things rate of growth to Calvin's, as well as the intelligence gap and it's simply not a contest.
Ignoring those simple facts thereby limits the Thing more so than I Calvin (of which I am not, he simply is not as impressive as the Thing).
@@alexissalinas8321 You're trying to limit Calvin's abilities to a level that he has been shown to be above in the movie. Calvin's body is not a solid entity like you or me. Think of the scene at the end of the movie, where Calvin exploded into a web that held the astronaut down. Calvin has the ability to "attack from all sides" as you put it.
How can you possibly prove that The Thing is more intelligent than Calvin? By the end of the movie, Calvin is smart enough to operate the escape pods controls. They havent shown that there is any limit to Calvin's ability to process information.
Calvin wouldn't simply "adapt one cell at a time". Its exactly because his cells are independent that they would all adapt at the exact same moment. The movie also shows that Calvin has the ability to digest an organism through touch alone, as proven by the rat scene at the beginning of the movie. A physical touch could possibly be just as dangerous for The Thing as it would be for Calvin.
I'm not gonna say that Calvin would for sure win. But you also can't say that with what limited information we have toward Calvin's true capabilities. That he wouldn't be a match for The Thing. Especially when what we do know shows him to be a formidable match at minimum.
...Calvin wins the science fair with a sharp stick while the Thing's homemade spaceship only gets him third place.....
This battle is won or lost on a cellular level. If a Calvin cell is too strong for a thing cell to penetrate or melt with acid then Calvin wins but if the Thing can capture a single Calvin cell then it gains all of Calvin's abilities making it much easier to capture the rest of Calvin's body
The Thing can perfectly imitate other life. It can also infect Calvin taking it over cell by cell. If we are going by statements in the movie then Calvin took out Mars, but the Thing would be able to completely take out 80's Earth.
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The Thing also took out the far more advanced and intelligent insectoid aliens that crashlanded here on earth and likely a few more planets.
Here’s what’s interesting: the director of LIFE said that Calvin might have found a way to communicate with humans at the end of the film, thus humans may have not been doomed.
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Calvin: *uses a broken tool to escape*
the thing: *was trying to create another spaceship out of scrap and parts in a arctic base*
The Thing is like Author Brian Lumley's vampires, as he describes them.
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I remember seeing those covers as a kid... Never did get a chance to read them though.
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I'm guessing you forgot that the thing was building a ship to get away in the movie, or that by absorbing the knowledge of the original aliens and attempting to fly a gigantic alien ship in the subsequent prequal. The thing assimilates at a cellular level. Meaning one cell of Calvin would be all that is needed to mimic Calvin's abilities and quirks to devastating effect
I honestly believe the thing wasn't building a spaceship more of a hovercraft to get out of Antarctica
The thing would fuse with and absorb all of Calvin's abilities.
But Kelvin could just do the same thing.
Agreed
@@Anomalous1879 Calvin doesn't absord abilities he grows and becomes smarter
@@ladyfaeryj5108 ok
Calvin would win because if the thing attached to him he would either detach a part of his body,use a tool to rip himself apart from the thing or form acidic blood using the nutrients of the thing ...this didnt happen with other creatures in the thing's movie because they dont evolve and adapt like calvin
Considering the idea that Calvin wouldn't feel threatened by The Thing until it actually attacked I don't see any chance of Calvin winning this fight. Even if a piece of Calvin escaped to regenerate a new Calvin (something implied but never shown), The Thing would BE A NEW CALVIN. It would have ALL of Calvin's abilities. Calvin has NO advantages. If The Thing didn't have access to tool usage before it met Calvin, and considering the fact that it was making a homemade flying saucer I would say it already did, then it sure did after their first contact. Again, all of Calvin's strengths are also The Thing's.
Also there's 80 comic pages worth of the original "The Thing" story found and the producers and screenwriters are using them to create a new yet classic reboot. I'm flippin' ecstatic fam! What do you think about it? Also Calvin's one of my favorite aliens!!
Are they making a new movie of The Thing?
I mean it could have potential, but then again so did the prequel but the studio made them cover up all the practical effects with CGI. Which kind of ruined the entire experience.
It really depends on how much the studio decides to unnecessarily interfere with the production of the film.
Oh god! No! They'll just inject more political correctness like Hollywoke does with everything else now.
the thing has done intelligent things in the comics like destroying parts of him so the humans dont suspect it as being the thing and touching the blood in the blood test so it isnt a simple organism
That Comic even Canon to the movie timeline lol
After a certain amount of time of endless fighting though couldnt Calvin just evolved to me immune to the virus that is the thing and just not be infected by it plus with all of the eating of the things wouldnt he eventually just become enormous
Comics always add extra abilities and make characters OP, so I'm not surprised.
@@shadowdagon7358 Calvin wouldnt have time to evolve an immunity to the thing, if it even could. The moment they make any kind of contact, the thing will begin assimilating it. Even if Calvin could somehow break off a piece of itself and escape it'll have even less of a chance of winning as the thing would have absorbed Calvin's dna and would be pretty much unkillable.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 The comics are the canon ones most of the time so I guess its the other way around with the movies nerfing the monsters lmao
The Thing would win imo, it has the intelligence level of every species it has consumed. Calvin on the other hand, despite it's advantages, was fooled by the oxygen lamps. Calvin is basically an advanced animal, like the xenomorphs, whereas the Thing is many species, both instinctual and with higher reasoning, all at once.
The Thing actually believes it's doing the right thing by assimilating other lifeforms as it sees it as making those creatures better, calling the act of assimilation "communion".
Calvin: "oh hey, look at this thing? I wonder what it does, maybe it's frien-"
*gets attacked*
Calvin: *"So you have chosen, Death."*
The thing: *Holds up Uno reverse card*
Glitchy Animator Calvin:wait we can just fuse and become the ultimate life form
The Thing: Omae wa mou shindeiru.
LOL
Then within minutes Calvin is dead as it's cells rapidly are consumed and converted.
The Thing: "I'm going to make them suffer Cal. These humans you wish to absorb, I will take them all from you."
"Your a monster thing, and I'm going to absorb you"
Pre watch:the things got this fight in the bag.
Post watch: no like you said calvins first idea would be to crush and devour the thing and he would be immediately assimilated considering it only take a few seconds to be devoured.
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Redacted Content I feel like it would be a race to see who could do what to who faster. For instance, each cell of Calvin could instantly consume and digest each cell of The Thing. But each cell of The Thing could instantly assimilate each cell of Calvin, so I guess depending on how fast Calvin can eat things, Calvin could win.
SCP-173-1 thing would win its an infection I don't see Calvin fighting back at all
@@theapeape5094 That's the thing though, Calvin only attacked something that attacked it first so it's reactionary. Calvin loses because he wasn't the first one to attack
@@akai9446 I would have to agree here, just one touch from the thing and it would be over for kalvin as he wouldn't detect the assimilation process the whole point of that process is to not be detected by its prey..... Kalvin wouldn't even see it coming.
The Thing can attack on a cellular level. If they got into contact with each other, the thing would assimilate Calvin since Calvin doesnt have anything to protect him from the infectioneous bite.
Calvin is only able to eat and grow while the Thing is capable of fully replicating a creatures abilities.
This wouldn't even be a stalemate. It's a slaughter.
The Thing ftw.
But Celvin evolvs immediately.
The thing does the same thing but way less complex.
While the thing uses parts of other live forms to do what it wants, Celvin eats his prey immediately and adapts to his surroundings as far as possible.
So if the Thing would infect Celvin, Celvin would eat on it as well.
Celvin doesn't need to copy the abilities of his prey, because he would develop them himself.
Cas Cas Calvin doesn't evolve immediately, if he evolved Immediately that would mean he would evolve to grow bigger when he was small to get out of the glass box he was in when breaking the scientists hands .thing wins hands down tho I don't know much about the thing I do know it's very infectious and Calvin would have to be near or infected by it too adapt but by the time he try's to adapt to it the infection would just eat him u can't assume Calvin is just some super alien just because he adapts fast and evolves fast that doesn't work like that
@@cascas9656 The thing(1982) at a cellular level is more like an infection. The thing's cells would attack, adsorb, and finally imitate Calvins cells. I don't think Calvin has this ability. When Calvin adapts he's changing shape and behavior and his cells remain the same. It doesn't matter how much of this macroscopic adaption he does. if the infection has already taken root, he is toast. Once any part of Calvin is "thingified", his entire mass will eventually be converted cell by cell. Calvin most likely won't even know this is happening. In the Carpenter movie, once the dog-thing is in the kennel, it begins to attack a couple dogs, but it also makes sure to squirt fluid on the others. In case one or two get away, they would eventually be taken over and converted. It's just that this would be a much slower process, so the attack-kill-convert cycle is used when it can.
One thing to note, is that the thing from the original book "Who goes there" (1951) does not seem to use this infection motif. It's more of a consume the flesh and then imitate. Though a tiny piece of the creature could eat you from the inside out. If Calvin were put up against a 1951 thing I do think Calvin would win.
@@akai9446 With adapt I dont mean grow.
He changes is shape based on his zise throughout the movie, but If the environment would change, Celvin would to.
@@cascas9656 Kalvin absorbs, grows and evolves, but he doesn't work like a living virus tho. His cells would not have any feasible defense against even a single drop of blood from the thing.
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Two very different organisms. But I feel like the thing would either absorb and assimilate Calvin. Either that or they would stalemate, fuse, and become a new monster
Could you imagine the thing copying Calvin's dna🧬?
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"The thing don't have the intelligence of the zenomorphs." Did you see the same film I did lol? The thing gets all the intelligence of its host. Blair once infected or taken over tries to build a ship to fly back to mainland. The thing is very intelligent and learns from its environment. It's smarter than most people.
Not to forget it made a anti gravity back pack in the novel
Calvin just gets absorbed, no contest.
The more interesting match-up would be The Thing vs. The Blob. I believe it would result in a stalemate as they would both repel each other on contact. The Blob from the pain of being assimilated, and the Thing from the caustic chemicals in the Blob.
On second thought, maybe the blob dissolves he Thing's cells, interrupting the assimilation process? So the Blob wins.
Blob v the thing that be an interesting match up I’d say the thing would run away build a space craft go to a planet with no blob on it lol
Calvin would find the Thing to be a threat. So then Calvin would try to eat the Thing and, in the process, be Thingified.
The End.
Did the thing just do its thing when it built a UFO to escape Antarctica? This comes from the original novella, as well as the 1982 movie and the 2011 remake/prequel. It obviously knew how to operate machines, and possibly sabotage them. Your intelligence hypothesis is flawed.
Plus calvin only used basic tools (he has mastered pointy stick technology) but nothing complex. It didn't even figure out doors so it's sub JP raptors.
Also, if we look to "Who Goes There", the short story from which JC's the Thing was based, you'll see further evidence of the Thing's superior intellect and cunning.
@@Mr.Agateophile. calvin's intelligence can be compared to a caveman making a stick into a spear. But I guess building spaceships from inferior primitive technology is not mind blowing. 😂
This Alterio clearly knows nothing about The Thing. It takes a lot of intelligence to build a spacecraft out of scraps.
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Damn I rly would have like to see how Calvin would have been friendly if they didn’t just shock him
Same here. I assume that Calvin's species doesn't like competition or violence, so they'll attack or consume whatever is hurting them, be it directly or indirectly...and whatever they deem to associate with it.
Please. "Calvin" would be friendly while it wasn't hungry and play nice until it found something to eat. Calvin is a bio weapon.
The problem with...
(A) humans is we see everything as a potential weapon.
(B) they automatically tried shocking Calvin to wake him up instead of say changing the tempature.
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You forgot that the second the thing eats a Calvin, the thing will learn everything about Calvin. That is its greatest tool. Also the thing can fly, it gets the ability after eating a bird
The Thing is a lot more intelligent than it appears at first. In the movie it was in the process of building a spaceship from scraps, so it possesses memories and intel from all of its previous imitations. Plus it perfectly copies any organism, meaning if it replicates just about any part of Calvin, it will be able to do everything he can, including his quick thinking and ability to adapt. Even technologically. Also Calvin being responsible for wiping out all life on Mars doesn't really give him advantage. The Thing was also theorised to be able to assimilate all life on Earth terrifiedly
fast. I think the Thing has way more chances to win.
The Thing built a flying saucer under one of the huts, so it was highly intellegent.
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Calvin would win if he somehow avoided making any form of physical contact with the Thing, and burned it remotely to ash. But by nature Calvin is curious so would automatically touch the Thing. Or would only respond aggressively once attacked/ touched. At which point infection begins on a cellular level and it is essentially game over for Calvin.
The Thing" would absorb the little guy. You're pretty much infected once you touch "The Thing" but Calvin could sense it and run away.
I'm failing to understand how the Thing(T) wouldn't just assimilate ALL of Calvin(C). Once C ate T, T would continue to assimilate C's cells, until all of C was consumed. We have no reason to think C has any defense against this, and in attacking T, it would probably just increase the speed C is assimilated. Cells do not cease to be part of an organism once assimilated. And each cell ideally works individually, as one cell absorbs, then 2 absorb 2, 4 absorb 4, 8 absorb 8, and so on. C would be fighting off assimilation at every point T came into contact with it. T doesn't assimilate an organism to copy and create another T, the assimlilated organism BECOMES T. The author buried the lead in focusing on each cell being it's own organism. Far more significant is that any one, singular cell can assimilate other organic cells. If a single cell was left, it could assimilate C. Furthermore, C may use tools, but doesn't necessarily know how to create them. T literally rebuilt a spaceship, a task that CLEARLY would require not only tool use, but a FAR more sophisticated grasp of tool usage, as well as (very likely) an intimate knowledge of chemistry and physics. T was able to imitate complex social interactions as when interacting with other humans. As far as I am aware, there's nothing to indicate that this is simply "regurgitation" of the assimilated organisms' memories, and it seems unlikely, since even after assimilating humans, it still had the knowledge to build a freakin' spaceship. Unless it assimilated someone(thing) who had memories of building a spaceship from spare parts, which seems less likely, the T must be quite intelligent, as that would require quite a bit of ingenuity. This also suggests a level of coordination of all T cells, if each cell functions independently as it's own organism. Furthermore, T being able to assimilate an organisms memories, knowledge, etc could give it an advantage once it absorbed a few of C's cells.
Thank you for this!! I remember when I asked and you immediately liked it! This was the match I was waiting for!! Your awesome. I think its a stalemate because the thing whatever it assimilates it also takes the intelligence of what it absorbs. Most have said the thing absorb whatever was on that spaceship that crashed landed on Earth. Even in the movies you see the thing building his own spaceship from spare parts. If the thing keeps absorbing different parts of Calvin I think it will grow smarter just like Calvin not as fast but he will adapt. Plus the thing has also shown to be super resilient to have been dormant in the ice over a hundred thousand years and to have shown a cell can be reactivated. my verdict is I would not want to run into any one of these creatures they spell death and destruction either way. Calvin can wipe out a whole planet so can the Thing. I cannot wait to see what video you'll put out next! What about Slither vs Night of the Creeps. Lol
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Your theory is flawed. The thing's cells absorb other cells on the cellular level, so if the Thing came into contact with Calvin, it would be over for Calvin unless he had some kind of defense mechanism that repelled the thing at the cellular level. He would be absorbed. Also, the thing is highly intelligent. In the movie with Kurt Russell, it was building a machine to get out of the area. It is every bit as smart and resourceful as Calvin. Calvin would not survive.
What if a xenomorph walked into the grudge woman’s home?
Edit: Or what if an alien met a powerful ghost?
The Alien would have no way to fight back and/or doesn't have the necessary intelligence to dispatch the ghost. The ghost would probably find a way to kill it eventually or it would become a stalemate as neither side can win.
The xeno (once realising it can't win) would probably run away.
@@xenomorph-2017 it can't everything that goes in the house becomes part of it
@@LiightingDestroyer can't it use its acid blood to melt a hole in the wall and escape? Xenos are aware of their blood and will use it to maximum effect. If it can't escape, it would most likely make a small hive and hibernate if the ghost can't kill it...
Wouldn't work alien would show no attention to ghost and if ghost DNT get that emotional energy of fear them nothing will happen neither would fk with eachother
She’s obviously biased towards Calvin, subconsciously maybe, but definitely biased. There’s no way Calvin would beat the Thing, but she wants to believe it would so she completely ignored the intelligence of the Thing and focused on Calvin’s one short moment in the beginning where it solves a puzzle as her reasoning behind Calvin being more intelligent
Calvin and the thing just vibing: you're my dad! Boogie woogie woogie
calvin never stood a chance, making physical contact with the thing in anyway starts your assimilation, it is on a cellular level. All calvin could do is break the part of himself off thats being assimilated, humans are easy, the thing can do much more than the "wiki" says about it. Read up the extended material, novels, comics and stuff
Though Calvin has more durability.
The Thing can't take heat, extreme cold or explosions as seen by example.
So if you manage to gather all thing-cells into one place and burn them then the thing would effectivly be gone.
Also the thing attacks on a cellular level, yes thats true, but it has a specific way of assimilation as seen in the movie. It's not magic. The thing spikey cells could be inable to assimilate or even be countered by Calvins own cell structure. I mean it's impossible to be certain but it's a real possibility.
@@Raffney The Thing can't take heat or cold is irrelevant to this fight, unless you are implying Calvin is smart enough to use a flamethrower, which it is not. It will try to eat the Thing and dies before it realize it's harmful.
What's this "specific" way of assimilation you are talking about? Where are you getting the implication that the Thing cannot assimilate another organism?
@@DamnitMan88 You see it in the first movie. Thing cells pierce other cells, that is actually not an unknown way of infection and can potentially be countered by the immune system in various ways. Anyway the immune system of humans can't act fast enough to react to the sheer infection speed of the thing. However that doesn't mean Calvins immune system isn't fast enough.
About the durability. Humans and animals are considered a variable in this discussions, since both of them need to assimilate biological matter. So once humans decide to throw fire against the both of them Calvin's durability does count. Imagine them burning a building with both of them inside.
Well the thing could assimilate calvin but it wont be dead it would probbably addapt to the thing and work together
@@Raffney What do you mean "pierce" other cells? Elaborate on this. Who's said it can potentially be countered by an immune system? In what way and how do you know how fast Calvin immune system is? Was it shown in the movie?
You say "both" needs to assimilate, so you're implying Calvin can assimilate as well? Where in the movie has Calvin shown to assimilate?
I'm confused here... how exactly are humans and animals involve in this battle? It's about the Thing meeting Calvin.
me: The thing? whats the thing???.
after a few minutes of research: Now i remember. mabye i should'nt have looked that up.
Lol i seen a bit movie and after ive been super disturbed and welp stoped watching it because i was a kid then just a pre teen watching that movie
Right I watched it as s kid and I'm still paranoid
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The one problem with your supposition about Calvin's technological prowess, the Thing was making a spaceship on the down-low under Blair's prison using random junk onsite. Calvin wasn't doing that. Calvin was a problem solver to be sure, but he sure as hell wasn't rebuilding/recreating alien technology from random garbage.
Realistically I think Calvin would win, but only because his ability to digest the Thing would be faster than the Thing's ability to assimilate Calvin. But this only works if there is equal parts Calvin to Thing. If there is enough extra Thing, say roughly 2/3 more biomass, then the Thing would be able to assimilate enough of Calvin, that even if Calvin successfully separated and regrew, The Thing would essentially BE Calvin at that point, with all his biological strengths.
However there a two creatures that would utterly obliterate Calvin or the Thing. The Blob would simply eat both of them, hands down, no contest. And then there's Living Hell, which would outgrow them by such a gigantic margin, that any assimilation would be fruitless, damaged parts would be re-digested back into the main mass, and I'm not sure it can be assimilated.
But calvin mastered pointy stick technology, no one can beat that.
I think you missed a very important detail about "The Thing" in the fight between the two. For starters, the moment Calvin comes into contact with "The Thing" once they start to battle each other, "The Thing" has already begun assimilating Calvin. All the thing needs is one cell to assimilate, ONE of Calvin's cells, assimilating and copying Calvin's DNA sequence.
What makes this battle go in favor of "The Thing" is the assimilation process, and how quick and successful it is. Once "The Thing's" cells assimilate one of Calvin's cells, "The Thing's" cells quickly camouflage and turn into an exact copy of Calvin's cells, and they quickly proceed to assimilate more cells, and repeat the process over and over. Not even Calvin would be able to tell the difference, especially not in an ensuing intense battle where his only focus is to out-power and kill the new unknown opponent.
The thing is(pun intended) that Calvin from the start would have a battle where he is basically fighting on two fronts. This is what makes Calvin lose the fight in favor of "The Thing".
Even if Calvin eventually figures out whats going on and detaches that assimilated piece from him, and escapes, that would make the matter even worse for Calvin, turning him into the prey. After that happens, "The Thing" will replicate the DNA sequence and become a copy of Calvin. So then this would turn essentially into a battle of *Calvin vs Calvin* ."The Thing" would not only be one entity, but now two full entities since the detached piece becomes a copy-cat of Calvin.
"The Thing", after becoming a copy of Calvin, would gain ALL the advantages of Calvin, which includes his resistance to fire, thus eliminating "The Thing's" weakness. That means "The Thing" would be able to adapt, and evolve, as quick as Calvin. However, "Thing Calvin" would be an improved version of Calvin. If Calvin is already OP, "Thing Calvin" is OP-fuller.
Since "The Thing" essentially also assimilates the "personality" of the assimilated host, this means that "The Thing"; now "Thing Calvin", would opt. for a predator tactic against Calvin, and this "Thing Calvin" with its new "personality" no longer feels the need to hide, and fight as a last resort.
Now, with its new assimilated "personality", "Thing Calvin" has a mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later".
When "Thing Calvin" hunts and finds Calvin, and it will, the second battle would also go down in favor of "The Thing" since like I mentioned before, Calvin would be fighting a battle on two fronts; one against "Thing Calvin" on a organism level, brawling, trying to out-strength one another, and the other front would be on a cellular level, in Calvin's own body. Every contact Calvin has with "Thing Calvin", more of "The Thing's" cells are invading and assimilating more of Calvin. Thus turning *Calvin against himself* .
- Oh but Calvin has probably adapted to fighting "The Thing" from their first encounter...
+ Not a problem for "Thing Calvin" he has also adapted and improve as well after acquiring its new enhancements from assimilating Calvin cells, that also includes an enhanced assimilation due to is new "Thing Calvin" cells. If it was deadly for Calvin before, this time it will finish the Job MUUUUUCH quicker.
- But Calvin killed all life on Mars!
+ "The Thing" possibly did the same with its planet, and possibly is from another Galaxy it completely assimilated.
- But Calvin is smart!
+ "The Thing" is also smart, it has assimilated the intellect of its host, it also learns, and possibly even has a "collective memory" of previous hosts it has assimilated. Which means it possibly has the intellect of countless millions of civilizations it has assimilated.
- But Calvin-
+ No.
- But the-
+ Um No.
If Calvin won against the Xenomorph, Calvin will have his own version of the Xenomorph to be afraid of, that is where "The Thing" comes in. "The Thing" is Calvin's Xenomorph to be afraid of.
Just Sayin'.
I guess people forget that the thing adapted between the original and prequel movies. In the prequel one of the survivors finds out that the thing can't absorb nonorganic materials like metal tooth filling or implants. But sense the blood cells carry information. The next things after the prequel are able to keep nonorganic materials in the body and it can copy symptoms of diseases or other problems found within a person's body like say you have a heart issue of some kind, the thing can copy it. Also If the thing were to touch your brain first you would be gone instantly, and if I understand correctly, Calvin is 100% muscle, eyes, and a brain at the same time. The things cells can go through a person's blood cells to take the body at minutes to an hour or 2 depending on conditions but the brain is near instantly gone. The example of this is near the end of the first movie a disguised thing sticks its fingers through a man's skin and mouth and the moment they get near the brain, the man shuts down kind of. His reaction is gone because it took control that quickly in just a few seconds. So I see this going 1 of 2 ways Calvin who hates humans jumps on a thing in disguise and the moment he makes contact he dies becoming a thing which allows the thing to adapt after every kill, create better cells, and to be far more aggressive now that it has Calvin which is not a person and who is near unstoppable can infect so many more so much faster. 2 before Calvin attacks the thing he sees a thing attack a person. Do to the fact that he is a pretty smart cookie he understands what it is and leaves before he is gotten by the thing. He will now test for a weakness using technology and find it weakness is fire and either die because he made a mistake or he will burn every thing to nothing. He could theoretically develop a sense to tell if something is a thing in disguise
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Ah, I see the DeathMatch Queen strikes again.. Calvin VS J'C's 'The Thing' this time eh..
although The Thing might not seem very intelligent.. it could actually be the opposit when ya break down it's purpose / how it came to be, you see.. from the movie standpoint at least (bare in mind there's two versions of The Thing, and both essentially overlap each other.. with one showing how The Thing was first discovered (1982 version with Kurt Russell) and the other showing how The Thing ended up on earth (2011 remake with Mary Elizabath Winstead)
the intelligence kicks in when it finds a host.. it'll replicate it perfectly then it'll wanna blend in to attract the least amount of attention possible.. at this point the only thing on it's mind is to escape by any means (shown by the shower/Helicopter scenes in both movies) showin' self awareness / conciousness at all times when in the presence of other people and it's only when backed up into a corner with no other option that it goes absolutely fuckin' mental lol
if Calvin and The Thing were to fight?... fuck, that's a tough one.. two Aliens, one strong as fuck Martian who can adapt to anythin' regardless... VS a sneaky boi who can replicate anythin' perfectly and turns into an absolute psychopath when trapped.. I mean that's a hard fight to call right?
Didn’t the thing try to build a spaceship tho?
Also you forgot that the thing will take over all cells in the hosts body till they are the thing.
James Moriarty probably but Calvin was able to also control a pod he’s never seen before. So who knows. If I allow Calvin to Roam free one earth he might be able to adapt to human tech
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The thing sabotaged helicopters and radios and used the spare parts to make a space ship. VERY SMART. It knew that humans die in cold and it doesn't. The main advantage kalvin has is his flame resistance. The thing lacks such a defense. But the thing, is much more smart as it legit gains knowledge in the form of memorys from people and things. Its SMART.
As far as i know Kelvin can't attack, assimilate, and mimick on the cellular level tho. I don't think this would go in his favour by any measure. Just one random droplet of blood and it would be over for him.
Just watched this and enjoyed it. I instantly subscribed and liked it. I read through some of the comments and it seems a lot of people favor the thing. It’s definitely a hard matchup IMO and I think you did your best to analyze it and present it. Calvin seems super resilient and super hard to kill as with the Thing. I think there is much more content out there for the thing than there is Calvin simply because the Thing has been out for several decades and lore is well established. At the time you made this video Calvin the movie was only 3 years old.
Long story short I think there is more to Calvin than the movie portrays. I’d be curious to see if there’s more and then a part two of this matchup would be cool.
You have a bias towards Calvin, so please just listen to the comments
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Hey Alteori, you should do the monster from “Slither” vs “The thing” or “Calvin”
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@@valken666 Slither would get spanked by The thing.But Then again slither could be a ancestor of the thing.
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I'mma keep it a hundo witcha, chica: if you have a cell, any cell, you lose to the Thing. Period. You have the abilities of the two mixed up. Even your take on the xeno morph confrontation is wrong. Calvin is a hydrogen/oxygen based life form, that's why it was emphasised at the end of the movie that the shuttle landed in the ocean. To infer that it would use that water and subsequent life in it to expand. That's why fire hurt it. That's it went into the coolant tanks of the astronaut when trapped outside the space station. That's why it cradled the hydrogen flares that where used as bait near the end of the movie. It has to breath in whatever shape form or fashion that it does. It literally says this in the movie (sans the having to breathe part but the inference is implied). So when you tell me that it basically takes a shat on the xeno morph (which has acidic blood way stronger then anything known to man, that that acidic blood would not decimate something that needs an eart like environment to thrive) I call foul. To add insult to injury you double down and say that it's out of the league of JC's Thing, which is a creature that dominates and assimilates ANY BIOLOGICAL thing on a CELLULAR LEVEL... I say no. Calvin converts viable biological material into useable biomass. The Thing doesn't care about your biology or adapted physiology because it dominates you at a CELLULAR level. It circumnavigates all by attacking the basic fundamental building blocks of said super adapted biology/physiology.
As said in the beginning: if you a cell, any cell, the more cells the better, you lose.
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The Thing: *Has assimilated billions of organisms and most likely has eaten through entire worlds*
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The things blood after ingestion would then start to take over calvin thing wins
Yeah but the thing still has to dissolve Calvin down to the very last cell to truly kill him which the thing can’t do so it’d probably be a battle forever
@@gandalf2447 and why not? calvin has to eat to grow but the thing just needs to replicate onto the next cell(s) in calvin's body. Assuming calvin even realized what was happening to him he would eventually run out of biomass to consume to stave off the ever growing thing cells and at a certain point(at least 51% more likely 60-75% I'd say) the thing portion would just turn active and envelop the remaining calvin cells preventing it from consuming any more.
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what if calvin consumes the blood too?
@@assitch5604 in the comics the thing can take over people in just second with skin contact!!
Calvin will totally know that The Thing is very hostile.
I feel like you should do more research on the Thing because it seems like you’re being biased with your comparison. The thing is really intelligent actually.
Calvin is actually quite elegant looking...like a translucent cuttlefish/deep sea comb jelly cross
Didn't the thing make a space ship in the movie?
Yes, it did. The thing is very intelligent.
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How intelligent is the thing
The thing about the thing that scares me is the fact it can access the ;(memories;) of it's host witch leaves me with one question can such a creature be reasoned with if you were talking to a thing and tryed to talk to it perhaps try to give a different option like corporationing with you it's smart enough to know mimic a human almost perfectly so can it feel human emotion or is it just a bag of animal instincts
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Austin powers would come in and obliterate all of them
People overselling The Things intelligence. The Thing wouldnt have time to build a spaceship or a weapon if they both got dumped on a deserted island in a fight to the death.
Way to much credit for Calvin in my opinion, same against the Alien. The stuff about every cell being brains, eyes etc is just bull. They just said stuff like that without any proofe, same with Life on Mars. Calvin needs time to adapt, the Acid does not wait for a few minutes, it will melt Calvin faster compared to adapting against it, another thing, any kind of Life form will need energy for stuff like that. The Thing on the other hand does not only Assimilate Cells, it can copy non organic matter as well. Its assimilation time is really fast, organic changes can happen in a fraction of a second. It literally out-performs Calvin, how can Calvin protect itself if the Things Cells can blend it with Calvins Cells as well. It will assimilate Calvin without Calvin even knowing it. Once the Thing has 1 Cell from Calvin, it can be Calvin as well.
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The Thing can't copy non-organic matter.
All it takes is one infected cell and its all over . . . the nightmare continues to spread
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Shit Superman ain't even that broken anymore: almost anybody can go head to head with homeboy nowadays
From what I gather the entire concept of cosmic horror revolves around the fact that there are beings compared to whom humans are not even like microbes. So I think perfect copy works well in this case.The thing doesn't need to be relatable( which I hear is the problem with Superman). It's a lovecraftian, otherworldly, probably other dimensional creature beyond human understanding.
If the Thing landed anywhere else on Earth it would have completely taken over.
Calvin would be assimilated after his first initial contact with The Thing. The Thing would take over Calvins body and Calvin would be no longer unless The Thing wants to use that form. Watch the movies.
Except he can just amputate some cells, get away and grow a Calvin that isn’t infected.
I don’t think it would be a long fight. The thing will be stealthily aggressive and Calvin will defend himself unless he was the one who attacked first. Calvin doesn’t know what the thing is neither does the thing know of Calvin so it’s likely they will come in contact. The moment Calvin touches the thing he has no chance of defeating the thing. He will be absorbed and his will belongs to the thing now. If Calvin gets away some how then it’s only a matter of time. The things DNA will probably take over him having Calvin not even knowing. If the fight is some how prolonged. The thing will have Calvins abilities added to its own. Calvin may be able to adapt but the Thing will always be a step ahead now.
Considering all of Calvin's cells are muscle and nerve cells, he most likely would know if he's infected and would probably cut the infected appendage, but yeah he still has no chance.
@@jhevgainz2307 that's the thing though the things cells replicate and copy Calvin's perfectly stealthily replacing Calvin's own cells he wouldn't even notice it happening
@@jhevgainz2307 Except that the reason viruses are so effective against us is because we don't know when they're infected. That's what we have vaccines for. Calvin doesn't have a vaccine, and his cells won't know they're infected, just going about their regular functions and replicating, and infecting too much of his body before he realizes it.
all the advantages you note for calvin would be transferred to the thing as soon as it assimilates any bit of calvin. The thing built a spaceship and from what they showed, holds onto the DNA and info from anything it ever came into contact with. Also, since the thing actually absorbs the cells it assimilates, eventually there would be no calvin cells left. Thing wins
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I'm not a fan of neither I'm just going off of the lore.
Calvin can eat and accumulating only after consumption but not copy. He may acquired knowledge to try to adapt but only after he's been completely copied. Remember, "all the way down to molecular level."😐
If you like you can call a stalemate but the Thing wins due to that attribute of its anatomy. If anything thing, The Thing gets an upgrade🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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The thing doesn't copy to the molecular level but the cellular level.
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I just realised: if Calvin was to get in the ocean, he could easily keep eating progressively bigger animals, so he could theorically grow to be a shapeshifting, super intelligent and adaptive kaiju...
Can you imagine kaiju kelvin?
I'd say it could potentially get big enough to kill and eat another kaiju and become some absurdly enormous beast that could take on everything
Calvin doesn't seem to be able to absorb. He just seems to increase his mass and adapt to situations. Not really much proof that his intelligence increases by any amount when he consumes prey. Also not really sure if shape-shifting is part of his abilities.
Andrew French bruh did u not watch the movie? He literally managed to Control a oof he’s never seen before, break out of containment using the shocker, Adapted to survive in space for a bit,
@@curryposterizeslewashedjam3588 That is just simple problem solving and his own biology already allowing for space survival. And I don't know what an oof is. But the Thing perfectly copies the memories of the people that is absorbs to be able to accurately imitate them and gains actual advanced knowledge. They just can't compare. And your argument doesn't really challenge any of my points from my previous post.
Andrew French that isn’t simple survival skill. Being able to control something he’s never seen before to get the earth, Eating to grow and adapt.
@@curryposterizeslewashedjam3588 actually eating is a simple survival skill, and growing and adapting as he did is simple. He never solved any complex problems or showed any great intelligence. As to him piloting the escape Pod, he didn't. The escape pod was already set for earth, that's why someone needed to be in it to pilot it into space. All Calvin did was trap the pilot and stop them from being able to do that and so it went on its intended course to earth.
Outmatched, full stop. Calvin doesn't stand a chance from an attack by a creature that reproduces itself by simply touching you. Calvin would have to be able resist the cellular digestion process. The Thing would have turned the entire world in just a few months if it had escaped.
I think the Thing would just absorb Calvin. It's that simple.
The thing was Calvin when the aliens found it on Mars they wanted to use it to create bio weapons and they mutated it and changed it to create a bio weapon but it got out and wanted to go to earth but Sargent Zip Glop the last alien on the ship crashed it in the Arctic to contain it.
Calvin only has adaptation and knowledge from 1 planet.
The Thing possibly has adaptations and knowledge of countless alien organisms.
If The Thing were to infect Calvin, it would infect every single part of it that was connected. Even if Calvin broke a smaller part of itself away to avoid it, The Thing would simply eventually assimilate those smaller pieces. The Thing already has the intelligence and knowledge of anything it has already assimilated. It doesn't need to learn much of anything. It will know everything Calvin does anyway.
Never heard of Calvin before, so this was very interesting to learn about, and consider. Thanks for the video Alteori ^^
You're incorrect if you haven't watched the movie closely you'll remember the thing was getting bigger every time it absorbs something. And you're saying that if it absorb something it was still a thing what you didn't realize again is the thing if it absorb the dog if it became a dog and was suddenly able to run like a dog would at high speed. So if it absorbed the bird the assumption is it would be able to fly away as a bird. You're failing to remember how adaptable the thing was while I don't think it could absorb intelligence again I don't know, it did prove itself to be very adaptable and it was able to mimic things down to the cellular level. So if it was able to absorb some of Calvin cells wouldn't it be seen that it would be able to mimic Calvin's current form?
Disagree. The Thing can also hibernate, over 100,000 years. Who is to say The Thing did not wipe everything on it's planet, hence
why it got on a spaceship in search of another planet to "consume". Also, early renditions of The Thing give a hint as to the creatures
from the planet where it came from. This means that The Thing could totally mimic/assimilate and fly or hover just like Calvin.
The fact that Calvin could not escape Mars and had to wait for something or someone to come along to bring him elsewhere means he is
nowhere as advanced as The Thing. In the prequel to The Thing, near the end when the girl goes inside The Things spaceship, there
is a floating interface that literally shows thousands upon thousands of smaller interfaces. The Thing's cells all work independently
of one another. In the first movie when Blair was locked up, he quickly began to tunnel underneath and started to build a makeshift
spaceship out of parts that were just laying about. Calvin could not do that. If so much as a single drop of The Thing got inside of Calvin,
it would be over for Calvin. The Thing would immediately begin to replace Calvin's cells with replicas of itself.
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I have always wondered about this since I watched Life, thanks for the vid!!
The thing has proven to learn entire languages upon absorbing one individual, and had been caught building its own spaceship from 1980’s scrap, so the Thing can adapt to its environment and be technology savvy. The thing destroying blood samples also shows it’s not a mindless organism. The theory that it accidentally crashed the ship that landed it on earth is not probable. The thing would just become a more horrific version of Calvin. The Thing wins.
Alteori though you make a compelling argument on how Calvin would beat the thing, you must remember that the thing itself was discovered making a space craft underneath a human settlement salvaged from helicopter parts. Calvin may be able to use tools but the thing on the other hand would not only use tools but could develop multiple minds of its own to create a weapon powerful enough to downright kill Calvin. Not to mention the thing itself could develop itself enough limbs or body parts that would have enough strength to rip lil' Calvin to peices. Other than that good video and keep em coming
The longer they both grow before confronting each other the more likely it is that Calvin will understand The Thing enough to win.
Also... Calvin's proto/supercells might be resistant to being absorbed by The Thing.
@@hariman7727Calvin's cells can't be immune to the thing's assimilation, It'll end up copying them moment of contact and gain Calvin's knowledge and abilities
One problem with this argument is that the Thing IS able to use technology. In the ‘82 film the scientist (Blair?) Thing almost finished building a flying saucer out of cannibalised snow-cat parts in a shed in under 24hrs. In the prequel the things gets the original flying saucer working and is about to take off. It appears that even tiny fragments of the Thing are encoded with the memories and abilities of all former hosts.
The Thing is far more than you give it credit for. With everything it ingests it doesn't just eat them it becomes them. And because of this we know that it absolutely knows how to use tools. We see this when at one point in the original move we find out that the Thing is actually building another spaceship to presumably escape from the South pole. So, in each cell of its body it, seemingly, has all of the knowledge of it's former hosts. No one in that that science station knew how to build a spaceship but the Thing did showing us also that it retained information from host to host. So there would be no learning curve for the Thing. It would ingest part of Calvin, make a copy and then fool Calvin long enough to then completely absorb him.