Oh yeah, like everything we tends to discuss here there are exceptions to most things! Multiple moons are complicated, but you can certainly find ways to simplify them. Harmonic moons are an excellent way to do that.
The Romans actually always had 12 months in their calendar. The offset of September and other numbered months comes from the fact that March used to be the first month of the year to align with the beginning of the campaign season. The first month was changed to January give more time for consuls and other magistrates to prepare for said campaign season.
📆A huge thanks to Artifexian for chatting about calendars with us! We had a great time putting this together. Go check out his channel and check out his series on creating his own world, Artifexia: www.youtube.com/@Artifexian 🔥Also, coming soon to Campfire, you'll be able to create your own custom calendars later this month (assuming no delays)! You'll be able to store that alongside all of your other worldbuilding notes, character profiles, manuscript, and more in one app. Learn more about Campfire at www.campfirewriting.com.
I loosely talked about the calendar in my story, it can get really complicated to talk about every single detail, but I wanted to say something because our idea of days, weeks, months, years... are constructs that we don't ever get to question or think about, so why not? 😏
Yeah! Depending on what you're doing you still need to balance that kind of heavy worldbuilding against the plot and characters (though the best thing is to make it so your worldbuilding is an inherent part of that)-but you can absolutely play around with the construct of time like this. If the first calendars and clocks were built just a bit differently you can be sure we'd be talking about time so much differently.
Given how both the Ethiopian Calendar and the Julian Calendar are derived from the Coptic Calendar, it may be better to compare when each of those start their new years. In Eastern Europe, the Byzantine Churches still celebrate New Year's Day at the start of September. In Western Europe, it was March 25th in many places throughout the Middle Ages.
I just made it simple and my world is just a plane of existence, not a planet, where the normal planetary bodies like the sun, moon, and stars appear the same no matter where you are, sort of following survival video game logic where everyone on the server experiences the same day/night cycle. Weather, climate, etc. are determined instead by the natural force that is used to produce magic naturally agitating and flowing in different ways. There are 15 months, each one aligning with one of the other planes of existence and the greater deity that resides there. Each is perfectly 28 days, 7 days a week (Monday to Sunday), with major moon phases (half, full, half, new) falling on our equivalent of sunday on the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th of the month. Though the days of the week have names, people in the world just usually refer to the days as “xth phase of month” since the 14th will always be a fantasy sunday, the 16th will always be a fantasy Tuesday, so on and so forth. All months have a -lune suffix in their name with all days of the week having a -dis suffix to match Erelune and Pazdis, the moon goddess and sun god of my setting, two of the more prominent deities, being worshiped in some fashion worldwide across the entire plane. Amazing what you can do when you divorce yourself of worldbuilding on a planet and instead go for a plane carefully hand crafted by the gods. If the hells can have all sorts of weird supernatural terrain and multiple layers for different “sins”, then it isn’t far fetched to think the plane of man can follow some rules that don’t follow normal Earth logic. Has also freed up my mapmaking as well. Is a vortex/swirl/maelstrom shaped chain of islands logical? Not really. Is it cool and supported by the internal logic of the world? Absolutely.
I'm cheating with my calendar, having a solar lunar calendar but the math works out perfectly because of info that the readers/players do not know. (it was terraformed and placed and specifically placed for this, to make things easier for the creators who have long since disappeared. anyone who notices this weirdness gets to have a clue for later, or blow it off)
18, 23 day long months with 6 seasons would make each season 69 days long. If you ad a six day long “leap week” every year, the year is 420 days long. I am aware that 6x70 is 420, but doing it my way is nicer.
You absolutely can! It just complicates things *a lot*. More than Edgar and I had time for in this video. We did cover some of the social / worldbuilding impacts that such a thing might cause, though. That's a good place to begin. And the calculator / spreadsheet linked in the description may help you with some of the specifics.
@@AroundTheCampfire wow!!! Let's say my world building surrounds with 2 moons and 2 suns cause bigger moon and sun are true celestial bodies while the little moon and sun are influence by my gods in my world sooo yeahhh.... people in the South which is much more tropical and have only 2 climates worship god of sun so 2 suns calendar, in north is more of your typical 4 climates worship the goddess of moon having 2 moon calendar..... while the rest is moon-sun calendar like gregorian....
@@AroundTheCampfire do you think will that work too? Cause i wanna search likew that.... but.... yeahhh.... you're video here didn't talk about that but i like your videos i lot!!!
Lunisolar calendars are the simplest, if you do them right. This is mainly because the moon returns to almost the exact same position and lunar phase every 19 years, so the exact solar dates of each lunar month in those 19 years can be calculated, and this isn't even really difficult.
@@AerostarmLunar phases are also great, you can just look at the moon's phase and know exactly when it will become full again. This assumes the planet is at least broadly similar to Earth, though people rarely make fantasy calendars for other types of planets.
Thanks for having me, Campfire! It was a blast. :)
Of course, thanks for taking the time to join us! 😄
Multiple moons don't necessarily have to be complicated if you assume they've settled into harmonic orbits.
Oh yeah, like everything we tends to discuss here there are exceptions to most things! Multiple moons are complicated, but you can certainly find ways to simplify them. Harmonic moons are an excellent way to do that.
Ayy! Love the team-up! An Artifexian sponsor spot is how I found Campfire in the first place.
The Romans actually always had 12 months in their calendar. The offset of September and other numbered months comes from the fact that March used to be the first month of the year to align with the beginning of the campaign season. The first month was changed to January give more time for consuls and other magistrates to prepare for said campaign season.
📆A huge thanks to Artifexian for chatting about calendars with us! We had a great time putting this together. Go check out his channel and check out his series on creating his own world, Artifexia: www.youtube.com/@Artifexian
🔥Also, coming soon to Campfire, you'll be able to create your own custom calendars later this month (assuming no delays)! You'll be able to store that alongside all of your other worldbuilding notes, character profiles, manuscript, and more in one app. Learn more about Campfire at www.campfirewriting.com.
I loosely talked about the calendar in my story, it can get really complicated to talk about every single detail, but I wanted to say something because our idea of days, weeks, months, years... are constructs that we don't ever get to question or think about, so why not? 😏
Yeah! Depending on what you're doing you still need to balance that kind of heavy worldbuilding against the plot and characters (though the best thing is to make it so your worldbuilding is an inherent part of that)-but you can absolutely play around with the construct of time like this. If the first calendars and clocks were built just a bit differently you can be sure we'd be talking about time so much differently.
I can't wait for the campfire timeline-module allowing me to use my own calender-system!
Given how both the Ethiopian Calendar and the Julian Calendar are derived from the Coptic Calendar, it may be better to compare when each of those start their new years. In Eastern Europe, the Byzantine Churches still celebrate New Year's Day at the start of September. In Western Europe, it was March 25th in many places throughout the Middle Ages.
Awesome video! I can’t wait for the new calendar feature in campfire to launch!
Thanks! We're really excited about that too. 😄
Me when I look at Hebrew month names as a Xenogears fan
Ah yes, Kislev.
I just made it simple and my world is just a plane of existence, not a planet, where the normal planetary bodies like the sun, moon, and stars appear the same no matter where you are, sort of following survival video game logic where everyone on the server experiences the same day/night cycle. Weather, climate, etc. are determined instead by the natural force that is used to produce magic naturally agitating and flowing in different ways.
There are 15 months, each one aligning with one of the other planes of existence and the greater deity that resides there. Each is perfectly 28 days, 7 days a week (Monday to Sunday), with major moon phases (half, full, half, new) falling on our equivalent of sunday on the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th of the month. Though the days of the week have names, people in the world just usually refer to the days as “xth phase of month” since the 14th will always be a fantasy sunday, the 16th will always be a fantasy Tuesday, so on and so forth.
All months have a -lune suffix in their name with all days of the week having a -dis suffix to match Erelune and Pazdis, the moon goddess and sun god of my setting, two of the more prominent deities, being worshiped in some fashion worldwide across the entire plane.
Amazing what you can do when you divorce yourself of worldbuilding on a planet and instead go for a plane carefully hand crafted by the gods. If the hells can have all sorts of weird supernatural terrain and multiple layers for different “sins”, then it isn’t far fetched to think the plane of man can follow some rules that don’t follow normal Earth logic.
Has also freed up my mapmaking as well. Is a vortex/swirl/maelstrom shaped chain of islands logical? Not really. Is it cool and supported by the internal logic of the world? Absolutely.
I'm cheating with my calendar, having a solar lunar calendar but the math works out perfectly because of info that the readers/players do not know. (it was terraformed and placed and specifically placed for this, to make things easier for the creators who have long since disappeared. anyone who notices this weirdness gets to have a clue for later, or blow it off)
18, 23 day long months with 6 seasons would make each season 69 days long. If you ad a six day long “leap week” every year, the year is 420 days long. I am aware that 6x70 is 420, but doing it my way is nicer.
What if my country is located on
both regions?
I have question.... what if i wanna do two suns? And two suns and moons.....
You absolutely can! It just complicates things *a lot*. More than Edgar and I had time for in this video. We did cover some of the social / worldbuilding impacts that such a thing might cause, though. That's a good place to begin. And the calculator / spreadsheet linked in the description may help you with some of the specifics.
@@AroundTheCampfire wow!!! Let's say my world building surrounds with 2 moons and 2 suns cause bigger moon and sun are true celestial bodies while the little moon and sun are influence by my gods in my world sooo yeahhh.... people in the South which is much more tropical and have only 2 climates worship god of sun so 2 suns calendar, in north is more of your typical 4 climates worship the goddess of moon having 2 moon calendar..... while the rest is moon-sun calendar like gregorian....
@@AroundTheCampfire do you think will that work too? Cause i wanna search likew that.... but.... yeahhh.... you're video here didn't talk about that but i like your videos i lot!!!
Your world sounds hot.
It's weird to hear Artifexian with a less energetic, calm voice
calender with only 10 days in a year 😂
What if you have two suns and no moons tho 😢😭
"The Ethiopian Solar Calendar puts the start of the year on September 11th"
Me, an American: yikes
Lunisolar calendars are the simplest, if you do them right. This is mainly because the moon returns to almost the exact same position and lunar phase every 19 years, so the exact solar dates of each lunar month in those 19 years can be calculated, and this isn't even really difficult.
Pretty sure That only applies to our solar system.
@@AerostarmLunar phases are also great, you can just look at the moon's phase and know exactly when it will become full again. This assumes the planet is at least broadly similar to Earth, though people rarely make fantasy calendars for other types of planets.