Hi Bill in the UK we call the rotating part in the 5 lever lock a curtain. If you look at the key and count the cuts you will see there are more than 5 cuts in the key. This is because when you put the key in from 1 side of the lock it uses one half of the key and when you put the key in from the other side it uses the other half of the key. So when you get a lock that works from one side but not the other it can be down to the key if it’s been dropped it could be bent or damaged. Just some info for people who may have a problem with their lock and not know why... The key will normally be symmetrical unless the lock is used on like a shipping container or gun safe where the lock is only accessible from one side. Keep up the great work Bill
Yeah, but I didn't want to over-complicate the tensioning description. I was afraid it would discourage noobs thinking about taking up lever locks... I have no idea why I identified the curtain alternately as "shutter" and "curtain"... brain fart probably.
This Is Exactly What I Was Going To Comment It Was Driving Me Mad LOL 😂. Also when Bill mentioned the Snib as a Nib LOL. I think the only other thing that could confuse Noobs to mortise lock picking is where Bill A few times kept switching between four & five gauge key/tensioners when its only 5 & 7 Gauge...! But we all make mistakes sometimes😺. Keep up the great work Bill. Also Great Info loz11968 . Nick🧔🏽, UA-cam🔐: Lock Pick Nick & Nicholas Aarons.
Brummy craftsmanship at its best. Thanks for sharing Bill. I still find lever locks a little intimidating but it’s really cool and I find myself feeling like I need to speak in a medieval twang when picking. A decent set of mac tools would definitely help on the journey for anyone thinking of giving it a go.
Fantastic video Bill and great explanation. Andy Mac’s tools are amazing, I was his first customer on his new website. Found him through you so thanks again for what you do. Keep it up.
Another Great video and showing off Andy Mac's tools which are beautiful, a lot of work goes into every one!! been watching him a while too! Have a great Day!!!!
Love these locks! The keys remind me of old castle or dungeon keys. They are so cool! As alway a great video and review. I almost always buy the tools you recommend and am never disappointed
I don't own any lever lock tools yet. I've been wanting to make a set but haven't gotten around to it yet. Maybe I should get in touch with Andy Mac. Those tools of his look really nice.
Good morning Bill I just got into lock sport by watching you and lockpicking lawyer I picked my first lock last week with a homemade wrench and a Bobby pin pick😂 was wondering if you had any old locks you’d like to get rid of that would be good for a beginner
I get this question a lot, as you can imagine, but simply don't have a pile of locks sitting around. If you'll send me your contact info I'll put you on the list and try to get some to you when some locks show up. bosnianbill1 at gmail
Good morning Bill, thanks again for an amazing video. One quick question if you have time, you explained how to modify a key to make a tensioner, however, what about an instance where no key is available for you to modify, how would you go about tensioning the lock then?
Well, you COULD use a length of heavy gauge wire (as I have done in a few videos), but it is much more difficult to keep it aligned and properly tensioned. The keys for most mortise locks are pretty standard, so you can usually use a key from one lock in another manufacturer's without issue. The Yale in the demo was a bit unusual but it was the only one I had on hand for the video.
Absolutely! I use it all the time but given the expense and scarcity of these specialized tools I wanted to show off some "everyman's tools" that are both inexpensive and available from AndyMac now. Andy's tools do the same thing as the commercial tools, but at a fraction of the cost.
Oo Sounds Interesting Rich What Tools Were They? Hope All Is Well With You & The Family Buddy? Hope To Chat Soon. Nick🧔🏽, UA-cam🔐: Lock Pick Nick & Nicholas Aarons.
Bill - Greetings from Slovenia. Here in Europe the Euro lock pins are on the bottom. In your videos I see the pins are always on top. Is there an advantage to picking locks with pins on top? If you are forced to pick locks with pins on the bottom what are some good tips? Thanks
Wow, I thought lever locks were obsolete and nobody was making them anymore. My grandparents had a house with lever locks for some interior doors. Come to think of it, I bet that most jail door locks are lever locks, but with larger keys, convoluted key ways, and the center part of the key way acts as the shutter.
I'm Me I have never used or even held a lever lock as far as I know, but keys are much more frequent to see around, I guess people like the aesthetics. Most everything I have seen on tv, movies & Internet searches most prison e/jail locks are electromagnetic so the CO’s don’t have to carry keys and be a bigger safety risk than they already are. Most other locks are pin tumbler from what I have seen in currentish facilities. There are several videos on UA-cam. Bill has picked a couple in videos 333, 338 & 1138 and they are massive! Lockpickinglawyer picks one in video 919. There are a few people that pick prison lever locks if you search.
I MUST give Andy and ALL you guys Way more credit (and apologize to Locksmiths). You CAN\ COULD Have Opened my door! Have not had Front Door for many Years bcs of Jammed Latch. was 'soo close' 1\8 in - but . . lost grip. Tried working around the inner works to pull\ unblock what moved, (broke) stopping latch from moving. At least i did have the 'dip in Bend'. lol (Obvious) this has Door knob, and with Split (name?) - not spindle (maybe ?) now stuck. Gave Up, tired of failing. Too many other things need work - i'll mess up - ha ha oh brother. = ] Hinges removed - didn't work either. Big Boot will split frame, NO Thanks, Plaster walls. sorry for bitching ramble, just need courage. Cheers! Just to add >> I used *Umbrella Wire* Holds up well. _and_ *THANKS!*
It seems his UA-cam channel is no longer available 😕 Edit: it's possible it's just the link, or perhaps he created a new channel because I searched and did find a channel of his.
Gee, since there is only one set in the giveaway, and Andy Mac makes such good tools, does he have a website where one can purchase these fine tools? Somehow it's not showing up in google.
I just wanted to head over to Andy Mac's channel but it's apparently deleted. :( EDIT: Oh, just noticed the other comment below (by Malcolm Diamond) including a link to Andy's new channel. @Bosnianbill: You should change the link in your video description. ;)
Even though the tools are nice, they’re super pricey for little more than fancy shaped and polished piano wire. Piano wire is super cheap, and if you put in a little time and be sure of your dimensions for the picks, you’ll spend maybe 6-10$ on your tools. Peace.
Dear @Bosnianbill, I recently saw on your web page that I have won the give away of the Sparrows Tuxedo on Wednesday, 10/23/19. Unfortunetly I didn't receive any message regarding the give away yet. And also found no other way to contact you. Can you please tell me which information you need to send the give away to me? Thank you! Regards, Maik
Something I dont understand is why this type of lock considered less safe if you need very specific tools to open while most pin locks you can tension with almost anything and rake/pick with improvised tools?
Not a shutter lock, a Curtain lock Curtain locks come in 5, 5.5, 6, 7 & 8 gauge You showed an ERA Viscount 5 lever curtained lock which is a 7 gauge NOT a 4 gauge The wires look decent but compared to what is available ie GJLocks for instance then these tensioners look crap in comparison.
Its obvious you dont have much knowledge about locks making a random comment like that. "Get a skeleton key" lmao. I'm not even going to waste my time on explaining HOW a skeleton (Or MASTER) key is the proper name. watch these this to get started ;) ua-cam.com/video/aVPSaKLKHd4/v-deo.html
Hi Bill in the UK we call the rotating part in the 5 lever lock a curtain. If you look at the key and count the cuts you will see there are more than 5 cuts in the key. This is because when you put the key in from 1 side of the lock it uses one half of the key and when you put the key in from the other side it uses the other half of the key.
So when you get a lock that works from one side but not the other it can be down to the key if it’s been dropped it could be bent or damaged. Just some info for people who may have a problem with their lock and not know why...
The key will normally be symmetrical unless the lock is used on like a shipping container or gun safe where the lock is only accessible from one side.
Keep up the great work Bill
Yeah, but I didn't want to over-complicate the tensioning description. I was afraid it would discourage noobs thinking about taking up lever locks... I have no idea why I identified the curtain alternately as "shutter" and "curtain"... brain fart probably.
This Is Exactly What I Was Going To Comment It Was Driving Me Mad LOL 😂. Also when Bill mentioned the Snib as a Nib LOL. I think the only other thing that could confuse Noobs to mortise lock picking is where Bill A few times kept switching between four & five gauge key/tensioners when its only 5 & 7 Gauge...! But we all make mistakes sometimes😺. Keep up the great work Bill. Also Great Info loz11968 . Nick🧔🏽, UA-cam🔐: Lock Pick Nick & Nicholas Aarons.
I really miss your videos. Learnt many tricks of the trade.
Thank you for sharing
Just started watching Andy’s videos a few days ago, he is brilliant when it comes to lever locks and the pick tools. Great video Bill!
I just started dimple locks. Now I have to pick up one of these kits... Thanks, Bill...
Did you find them? Can’t see them online
Clear and concise review. Andy makes really useful and beautiful tools...the passion shows in the finishing and detail. 👍
Brummy craftsmanship at its best. Thanks for sharing Bill.
I still find lever locks a little intimidating but it’s really cool and I find myself feeling like I need to speak in a medieval twang when picking. A decent set of mac tools would definitely help on the journey for anyone thinking of giving it a go.
Great work @Andy Mac👍😉
Fantastic video Bill and great explanation. Andy Mac’s tools are amazing, I was his first customer on his new website. Found him through you so thanks again for what you do. Keep it up.
Thanks for doing that Bill, I'm still interested in learning these.
I have multiple sets of his tools. And am a long time viewer Of Andymac.
Great UA-cam channel and awesome tools if you like picking lever locks.
Excellent tools! As a locksmith I don’t ever see the need for them. But for practice and fun these would be amazing. Excellent demo
Andy Mac has it down on these tools for sure.
Good video Bill and always enjoy your channel. 👍👍👍👍🧡
Another Great video and showing off Andy Mac's tools which are beautiful, a lot of work goes into every one!! been watching him a while too! Have a great Day!!!!
Excellent demo, Bill!
Andy is the lever tool man. Great demo and info Bill.😉👍
Those are some cool tools! Thanks for sharing, Bill.
Wow, Andy's gone international!!! Well worth subscribing to. @Andymac
Fantastic video as always.
Andy ... always hitting a home run on the tools. Nice kits to explore lever locks.
Andy’s kit is the best
Wow, nice looking tools! Nice job Andy!
Love these locks! The keys remind me of old castle or dungeon keys. They are so cool! As alway a great video and review. I almost always buy the tools you recommend and am never disappointed
Great tools and great explanation.
I must expand my noob picking skills and try lever locks.
Thanks for posting.
Beautiful work.
I don't own any lever lock tools yet. I've been wanting to make a set but haven't gotten around to it yet. Maybe I should get in touch with Andy Mac. Those tools of his look really nice.
Nice review Bill on Andys tools.
Yey, finally! This is the standard kind of key over here
Andys channelle is great, and his tools are awesome.
great to see you do a review on Andy Mac picks , have a few myself , all top quality and hand made by Andy who who is the total boss at lever locks
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏We'll miss you.🖖
Andy makes some great tools Bill 👍🏻
Thanks Bill, been looking to get into picking these!
That would be a nice giveaway to win! Awesome as always Bill.
Love channel, love your video's Bill!! 👍🏻🥇🍀
Great review Bill and he's a great trainer as well 👍🏻 but don't tell him I said so 😂
wow great giveaway bill thank you for doing this.
Good morning Bill I just got into lock sport by watching you and lockpicking lawyer I picked my first lock last week with a homemade wrench and a Bobby pin pick😂 was wondering if you had any old locks you’d like to get rid of that would be good for a beginner
I get this question a lot, as you can imagine, but simply don't have a pile of locks sitting around. If you'll send me your contact info I'll put you on the list and try to get some to you when some locks show up. bosnianbill1 at gmail
Would love to find out how and where to get a set like these
Ever worked an old school brass jail cell welded in the door lever lock?
Morning have a fantastic night day
Good morning Bill, thanks again for an amazing video. One quick question if you have time, you explained how to modify a key to make a tensioner, however, what about an instance where no key is available for you to modify, how would you go about tensioning the lock then?
Well, you COULD use a length of heavy gauge wire (as I have done in a few videos), but it is much more difficult to keep it aligned and properly tensioned. The keys for most mortise locks are pretty standard, so you can usually use a key from one lock in another manufacturer's without issue. The Yale in the demo was a bit unusual but it was the only one I had on hand for the video.
@@bosnianbill would a set of tryout keys be a good start to make tensioners?
Thank you for this. Ive been waiting for this
Hello, where I can buy all thos tools? Thanks
What if you need to unlock from the other side?
Nice one Bill... Did you ever try out the 5 lever curtain pick I sent you ages ago with the 5 lever curtained lock?
Absolutely! I use it all the time but given the expense and scarcity of these specialized tools I wanted to show off some "everyman's tools" that are both inexpensive and available from AndyMac now. Andy's tools do the same thing as the commercial tools, but at a fraction of the cost.
@@bosnianbill Okay buddy ;O))))))
Oo Sounds Interesting Rich What Tools Were They? Hope All Is Well With You & The Family Buddy? Hope To Chat Soon. Nick🧔🏽, UA-cam🔐: Lock Pick Nick & Nicholas Aarons.
Bill - Greetings from Slovenia. Here in Europe the Euro lock pins are on the bottom. In your videos I see the pins are always on top. Is there an advantage to picking locks with pins on top? If you are forced to pick locks with pins on the bottom what are some good tips?
Thanks
Wow, I thought lever locks were obsolete and nobody was making them anymore. My grandparents had a house with lever locks for some interior doors. Come to think of it, I bet that most jail door locks are lever locks, but with larger keys, convoluted key ways, and the center part of the key way acts as the shutter.
I'm Me I have never used or even held a lever lock as far as I know, but keys are much more frequent to see around, I guess people like the aesthetics. Most everything I have seen on tv, movies & Internet searches most prison e/jail locks are electromagnetic so the CO’s don’t have to carry keys and be a bigger safety risk than they already are. Most other locks are pin tumbler from what I have seen in currentish facilities. There are several videos on UA-cam. Bill has picked a couple in videos 333, 338 & 1138 and they are massive! Lockpickinglawyer picks one in video 919. There are a few people that pick prison lever locks if you search.
still in use in the uk , new houses are sometimes fitted with them ,
We call it lock curtain here in the uk😂
Actually on most 2 lever including the yale (mh & y pre cut keys) the bolt is tension in the centre of the key not the end.
I MUST give Andy and ALL you guys Way more credit (and apologize to Locksmiths). You CAN\ COULD Have Opened my door!
Have not had Front Door for many Years bcs of Jammed Latch. was 'soo close' 1\8 in - but . . lost grip.
Tried working around the inner works to pull\ unblock what moved, (broke) stopping latch from moving. At least i did have the 'dip in Bend'. lol
(Obvious) this has Door knob, and with Split (name?) - not spindle (maybe ?) now stuck.
Gave Up, tired of failing. Too many other things need work - i'll mess up - ha ha oh brother. = ]
Hinges removed - didn't work either. Big Boot will split frame, NO Thanks, Plaster walls. sorry for bitching ramble, just need courage. Cheers!
Just to add >> I used *Umbrella Wire* Holds up well. _and_ *THANKS!*
It seems his UA-cam channel is no longer available 😕
Edit: it's possible it's just the link, or perhaps he created a new channel because I searched and did find a channel of his.
Gee, since there is only one set in the giveaway, and Andy Mac makes such good tools, does he have a website where one can purchase these fine tools? Somehow it's not showing up in google.
Have you thought about looking at safe locks. I have 7 and higher lever locks if you want to look at them :) Single and double sided.
Nice
I know I'm a year off, but what happened to Mac? No YT and no website.
Andy's website seems to be down. Is Facebook the best way to get hold of him?
the 2 levers are cut to the same depth so that the key can be used from both sides! That's why that key looked so weird.
How about railroad lever locks? Especialy the Adlake designs which are still made and used but mostly in Railroad Museums.
I have one in the queue.
Sweet
I just wanted to head over to Andy Mac's channel but it's apparently deleted. :(
EDIT: Oh, just noticed the other comment below (by Malcolm Diamond) including a link to Andy's new channel.
@Bosnianbill: You should change the link in your video description. ;)
Even though the tools are nice, they’re super pricey for little more than fancy shaped and polished piano wire. Piano wire is super cheap, and if you put in a little time and be sure of your dimensions for the picks, you’ll spend maybe 6-10$ on your tools. Peace.
*Shinny things*
Making them for years, has he now?
Dear @Bosnianbill, I recently saw on your web page that I have won the give away of the Sparrows Tuxedo on Wednesday, 10/23/19. Unfortunetly I didn't receive any message regarding the give away yet. And also found no other way to contact you. Can you please tell me which information you need to send the give away to me? Thank you! Regards, Maik
Sorry Maik, this went to MARK Brunner and was shipped out on 10/28/19.
Was that a torx screwdriver you just tightened your socket head with?
Not only a Torx screw diver, but a Wera Torx screw driver from Germany. The best you can get.
@@hiltihome Too bad he used it on a hex screw. Waste of a good driver.
Something I dont understand is why this type of lock considered less safe if you need very specific tools to open while most pin locks you can tension with almost anything and rake/pick with improvised tools?
i do have locks but have all of the keys some of the lock
Why did you pick it from the inside of the door? Surly its from the other side of the lock you will be picking from
What gage i s a jail door lock as on rhe Andy Griffith shows?
🔒🔓🗝
2 Gauge.
That first lock will stop your cows or horses to open the stable doors during the night. And that's about it.
Do not show the cows n horses this video!.. It would be chaos!!!.. ;)
@@spandexsteve5156 They probably wouldn't be able to unlock this.
But unlocked latches get opened by cows who feel like taking a walk all the time.
Where are these types of locks even used? All I usually see are dead bolts and handle sets.
There's at least 6 in the hall I'm caretaker at.. On store rooms and access.. (Wales, UK)
AndyMac's youtube channel doesn't exist anymore... 😓 What's happened?
Not a shutter lock, a Curtain lock
Curtain locks come in 5, 5.5, 6, 7 & 8 gauge
You showed an ERA Viscount 5 lever curtained lock which is a 7 gauge NOT a 4 gauge
The wires look decent but compared to what is available ie GJLocks for instance then these tensioners look crap in comparison.
Jack Tate Americans sure now nothing 😂 about UK locks 🔒
Get a skeleton key.
Its obvious you dont have much knowledge about locks making a random comment like that.
"Get a skeleton key" lmao.
I'm not even going to waste my time on explaining HOW a skeleton (Or MASTER) key is the proper name.
watch these this to get started ;)
ua-cam.com/video/aVPSaKLKHd4/v-deo.html
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enjoy your retirement mate you will be mist
This was too basic