@@juri8723 I know that it's right but this sounds sooooo wrong xD It is like B (Be) M (Em) W (double U) Although in German we pronounce it BMW (BE EM WE) :D
I don't really understand how a Shokaku, especially one divisioned with a Kutuzov, can get deplaned against a 1/1/1 Lex, but at least he made up for it by charging into our cap to prevent it from flipping over, so the CV on my team got a compliment for manning up when it was needed. The BBs though.. jeez I don't understand their train of thought at all. EDIT: Also meant Budyonny, not Molotov. Budy has 16.6km range and 950m/s shells!
BB logic tracks, it's just rooted in ignorance. It's easy to get into the mental lock of "CAs are faster than BBs". Ten will get you twenty they never bothered to look at what ship you were in (or just didn't know anything about the Nurn), and assumed CA = faster = can get there first. Also probably assumed your AA could handle the heat under the same logic. So from there, they figure they can track down the CV eventually while you go back and stop the DD. It makes sense if you turn enough of your brain off.
Unless Molotov was buffed since I last played it, it has 15.5 km gun range. But using its spotter plane, you get 18.6 and because Moloko has such LAZER guns, it is very easy to use! Nothing feels better, man, than popping that plane, and dropping 4 citadels on some unsuspecting Nurenberg (or ANY other cruiser it will meet really) But yeah, he probably meant Budyonny - cause he said 950 meters/sec as well, where Molotov has 920 - but has much heavier shells at 215 pounds versus 123 pounds with the Soviet Lazer 152 L57 guns. Russian sure LOVE velocity - they and the Germans both do actually. But generally speaking, the Russian guns throw a heavier shell than the German equivalents by a decent bit, which is one of the reasons Budyonny/Schorchs/Chapayev/Kutuzov all have FAR better travel time.
Well, when u see which enemy ships have the most planes shot down, it looks like the Shokaku just tried to kill a Hipper with company of Tirpitz. I am not an expert on German cruisers AA, but i guess combined firepower of those two alone is probably enough to shred the planes.
That's because BBabies are some of the most arrogant, most self-important idiots you could ever hope to find. This does not apply to every BB player the same way "team-killing YOLO weebs" does not apply to every IJN DD player, but we should be honest here: the worst of the BB players will whine all day long about how torpedoes, or planes, or HE spamming cruisers are cancer, but we all know their passive asses deserve all that. To understand the logic of shitty BB players, you must first understand how they think. The average BBaby is like a spoiled brat with a sports car. He thinks he's the biggest badass in town, but is also afraid of getting a ding on his ride so he barks orders to "inferior" ships to do what he considers drudge work: contesting caps, area denying and being useful to the team in general. He sees it as his birthright and inborn duty to sit back and snipe at other BBabies who are also sitting behind their team. Once in a while, he may grace his attention towards the other BBs, CAs or DDs playing the objectives, but these instances are few and far between. Those players deserve to be treated like the subhuman filth they are.
It doesn't. As a BB captain, other BB players confuse the hell out of me. They either go full yolo charging and immediately die to torps or hang out at the cap doing nothing and eventually die to everything.
I suppose there's a lesson there: never assume that your teammates have a brain. Always assume that they are idiots who think the minimap is a cool decoration. If something needs doing, such as resetting the cap, simply do it yourself if it's doable and smart. You always have to consider the overall strategic situation, and there are a bunch of factors that go into making that decision. Still...yeah. Always plan for stupidity.
Actually that's why I think quite a few people would be interested in a direct comparison video as there wasn't a video on either of them since the cpt skill change. For example, I only recently started playing Budyonny (got it as a reward some months ago for some sort of campaign and started to use it for PvE) and actually I found out I really like the ship. I didn't plan to go up that particular tree branch, but if all the ships in the Soviet cruiser line are this fun I'm seriously tempted to buy Molotov and/or Kutuzov to be able to train captains and go up to Moskva.
There are several factors actually, some of them conflicting and some of them downright really confusing. So take the following as a sort of stream of consciousness :) I'm not denying Kutuzov is fun. It's just that recently I seem to be finding midtiers (after quite some time) more entertaining than t8-10. So playing Budyonny/Molotov with the same captain seems legit from that angle. On the other hand, the remaining 50k or so I need on Budyonny to unlock Shchors (if I don't want to use free xp, where I have 650k real and over 8.5m dubloonable) is really not that much taking into account the camo and flag bonuses, so I'd be playing t8+ next week in that tree eventually anyway. Therefore I'm not rushing into Kutuzov, and considering getting a 19* cpt on Budyonny/Molotov to have fun while farming free cpt xp, while maybe/possibly/theoretically getting Kutuzov as well in the future (I do that on a IJN DD cpt, rotating on Kamikaze R, Fujin, Shinonome and from time to time Shimakaze). Who knows, maybe Donskoi and Moskva are also sufficient fun to get them, and speed up their captains' training on Molotov and/or Kutuzov? The above doesn't really make much sense in terms of clear logic, it's just an illustration of the complex and fuzzy thought process that usually drives my ship purchasing decision making. At the end of the day, I will most probably end up getting either of them (or both) on a spur of the moment shopping impulse. However, I hope to delay that impulse until getting an advice on this channel in the form of review of either Budyonny or Molotov (preferably both). I think that this specific pair would even make for an interesting format with direct side by side comparison (if Flamu would find that format viable) of a tree and a premium ship of the same tier, looking e.g. which one benefits more from IFHE, which one from boosting AA, which one got better torps etc. I know that it's not rocket science, but very often I notice how people comment on things shown in the videos on this channel by "wow I wasn't aware of this", and it's something that appears in almost every video. Flamu has embarked on a mission to educate the player base and this might be yet another take on it.
The AA is only better in the sense the Bogue is better than the Langley. It's like half a knot faster and like 2 more planes. The C Hull Nurnberg's AA is very marginally better. If you want to worry about AA in Operations mode in your Nurnberg drop Hydro for Def. AA. You won't kill many planes but at least you'll panic them.
Geoffrey.R Hsu During my grind through the Nürnberg, I actually preferred the C-Hull sidegrade. Yes, I lost out on some damage potential in the form of those two extra torpedo tubes, but at the same time, if you wanted to use those torps, you had to be in kissing distance. You don't want to be six kilometers from ANYTHING in the Nürnberg, considering how squishy she is. You might as well paint a giant sign that says "FREE KILL HERE!"
Funniest thing last night was watching our Nurn Yolo against the enemy Nurn, which was, in turn, yoloing ours. They pummeled each other on the way in, and both got successful torps to kill each other. Same map as Flamu; Neighbors, right next to where B cap is. I had the fun of soloing against (and killing) the enemy Benson in my Buddy. (also got a flesh wound via torps of shame on the enemy Colo)
Murdering New Mexico's/Colorado's with Königsberg/Nürnberg AP when they show broadside is extremly satisfying since they are basicly made out of 25mm Armourplates and ofc. alota Superstructure
I absolutely detested the Nurnberg. Some maps screw you over royally, and you need so much effort to make the ship work even somewhat, whereas IJN or Russian CAs just steamroll everything. Also, getting citadelled through the bow for half your hp is just...stupid.
great video, i got that ship now. i like the ship, just need to learn to use it better like i see you doing. most i got is 1500xp so far. long way from your score lol do you have a video on how to use the hydro? i don't understand how that works.
Awesome to see that you keep showing more of the Tier 6-9 ships in the last weeks! Keep up the good work! If you want to suffer a bit, try Ranger.. but i guess you're not that much into hurting yourself :D
The german 203mm guns actually benefit a great deal from that HE pen buff. They can now natively pen 50mm of armour, which is a lot of german BB deck armour you'll find at those tiers. Plus it beats the Moskva 50mm deck armour and the Khabarovsk 50mm troll hull armour. That's a threshold that was previously only beaten by BB HE and recently the HIV's 240mm (but only if the HIV is specced for IFHE).
I don't really understand why you said it's bad mm. I mainly play my Nürnberg to get into T8 matches with like 5 German BBs (e.g. 3 Bismarcks and 2 Tirpitzes). Just stay 11km away and they will never hit you while you can deal a lot of damage. Just go forward, turn around and unload your rear turrets while dodging incoming fire makes this ship so fun to play. In a lot of the matches you even get like totally ignored. DDs don't really waste torps on you when you have hydro and there are T8 BBs around, BBs mostly engage each other and can't be bothered, CVs go for priority targets and only other cruisers are really annoying.But maybe it's just me.
I really like this ship, feels similar to the Budyonny, which is enjoyable. These ships are meant to be played at distance and the rail guns help with that. :)
Well the anti air certainly can't keep up with Cleveland but it's still the second best cruiser at T6 I think. With AA mod and AFT+BFT you get ~110dps plus Def AA at 5km, with 5,8km on the 88mm and in my opinion that's viable. Personally I too rarely get the opportunity to use all those torps. And for a Ryujo that AA is nothing to sneeze at. At least while Def AA is running and he'll maybe looses planes when he goes for you without it. Also I hate carriers. That's probably the main reason I run C hull.
I see Thea, I see her can be used as normal German captain, and it seems that she's not the premium captain that can be moved all around without retraining.
C not worth it? Well you lose 1 out of 2 torpedo launchers per side...wich means only 3 instead of 6 torps....per side. And you lose the Aircraft Catapult. However you get an AA wich is able to kill enemy planes. Especialy the Midrange AA dmg is alot higher. I have to say you don´t see many Cvs these days anyway but lets be honest how many times do you yolo in as a Nürnberg? Are 3 Torps (i mean you have 3 anyway for close combat, we only talk about the additional) realy worth it to have an AA even DDs are ashamed of? Someone has to do the math and compare C hull AA and the fighter plane.
It had to be a name. the fighter does what regular aa doesn't. it scatters the bomb/torp drops. now Def fire does the same thing but if that's on cool down then your fucked.
Well if you go for the C hull i think def fire is a viable thing. And in the Back def AA is better than hydro. At least in the early. And Cvs are better late game...and to kill as much planes early on as possible might come in handy late game. However Def AA deals alot more dmg than the plane i suppose. And if the Carrier strikes you with all of his planes at once Def AA is alot better than the plane anyway.
If you look closely at the earnings screen, there was a bonus mission he completed that gave him one million as a prize, so his winnings were actually 700,000 or so. Still damn good, though.
I hated grinding that ship more than any other I've played so far. For me it will always be the nuremturd ;). Glad to hear they buffed it some it had the 360 turrets when I grinder it but the HE wasn't buffed so the HE would all shatter the AP wouldn't pen and I just had to pray for fires add to that the occasional first person being spotted and blown up with a single volley since I was still a newb and boy was it an unpleasant experience.
The Nurnberg is GREAT for operations mode I don't have IFHE on my Cleve nor Budyonny, so the built in IFHE, turret angles, and highest ROF make it great for that mode And the massive YOLO trips are great against the AI high tier BB at the end where you need alpha
I just don't understand the matchmaking algorithm. 11k people online and the system can't put 24 people of the same tier together? I've seen 20k+ people online and the que instantly pops with ridiculous MM. You'd think it would try to place you in a match with equal tiered ships FIRST, then try to slot +/- 1 tiered ships after 45-60 secs and then +/-2 after 2 mins etc.
I admit, I struggled in this ship. Only managed a 58% solo queue win rate, which is lower than my average. The main thing that made me upset about it was how it couldn't mitigate damage when spotted. No matter the angle, it seems vulnerable. If I showed enough side for them to shoot the side, they got citadel hits, naturally. However, if I angled enough to hide the citadel from the side, they would simply land citadel hits through the nose.
I played my Nurnberg as a kiting, island-hiding, firestarter. But enemy ships would drop shells on my stern and citadel me via the rear turret magazines. Or through the front. Or from the side. :P I had maybe one game in every twenty that turned out as shown in this video, interspersed with a lot of frustrating battles otherwise. The Yorck was a godsend, by comparison.
flamu, i have a big reason to believe that missouri can not be a money maker ship since 0.6.6. day before pacth i recieved 1.4m credits with 185 k dmg. now 150-180k dmg it comes round 400-600k credits . comment please. thanks
Probably a Mission or with credit camo. I looked up an old result, 6 months ago, 190K damage, 1500 base XP, 710K income without flag bonus and before repairs. The results I remember where I got more than one million credits were with the Gamescom camo.
I think the game is biased against me, as I always get tons of achievements, krakens, etc., yet I have NO camos, and during events, I always get very little flags and camos... Everyone else always has more than me, even if they play less, or have worse average games... Explanation?
AA on the nurn is not abysmal at all i get consistent 20 kill on planes if you add up specs its second to the cleveland but over all more balaned all rounder of all the t 6 cruisers use Defensive fire mod with an aa spec Cap you will deal great damage to planes work together with the cv her damage per minute thx to her 6 sec reload is 351000 per minute on ap and 153000 on HE the cleveland gets 288000 on ap an 198000 on HE cleve has no torps Nurn does protecting bb;s with this thing will win the Rankes
Regarding the fires to hits ratio: I've been playing the Cleveland with my brother who is playing the IJN cruiser line, currently he's in the Aoba. I remember having absolutely abysmal number of fires compared to the hits I got. In one match, for example, I had 200+ HE shell hits and... 4 fires. Yeah. The Cleveland clearly has 2% fire chance, doesn't it? Of course there was some shooting on targets whose Damage Con was active or hitting BB superstructure that was already on fire, but that doesn't cover even half of the total hits. Sadly that wasn't the only match where I had similar luck. On another note, we also got probably the worst MM that's even possible in tier 6 ships: only two tier 6's in total, that means us. The enemy team had no tier 6's, but I guess we had more tier 8's or something to compensate. I've done my grind through the Nürnberg a while ago (currently I'm in the Hipper), but I still thoroughly enjoyed this video. So thanks to you, Flamu! :) EDIT: Oh, and those tier 8 BBs... hah, if you had lost the match because of them I probably would have laughed in disbelief. At least the NC was going for the enemy cap though it didn't and wouldn't have made any difference in any case.
I had the same issues. Everyone seems to talk up how Cleveland is this epic firestarter. Not for me it wasn't. Even at 15% (iirc) fire chance, I maybe start 3-4 fires a match, with well over 100 shell hits (Compared to the Phoenix with like half the guns and fire chance, was still pretty much 1 fire per salvo for me). That, plus it's ridiculously high arcs and paper armor regardless of angle, made Cleveland very underwhelming for me. Then again I was maybe too spoiled by the Russian and Japanese cruisers. The Budyonny just shits all over the Cleveland in pretty much every category. Though I will admit, there is some dark satifaction having an AA spec'd Cleveland in a match with 2 CV's on the other team. Sadly, Clevelands only real strength (AA) is nullified with the fact CV's are a rarity and even then, most actively avoid you. Really fun ship in Killer Whale and Aegis scenarios though!
Remember that shattering drops fire chance by half, and then tier 6 resistance is another 25ish% reduction. Still not down to 2%, but it's within striking distance taking bad rng into account.
Oh, that shattering thing explains a lot. Also I knew ships have resistance to fires based on tier and even though I didn't bother looking up the actual values, I knew they're not anything crazy (like 50+% resistance) in tiers 6 to 8. I'm not speccing into IFHE because I'm probably going to keep playing the line further.
The higher tier USN CAs are pretty team-dependent, but they're worth it. You can get over 90k dmg in the Des Moines under one minute in the right conditions
That could actually be true. :)) I just bought the Nurnberg (so can't speak about her), but I remember how I hated the Dunkerque. Truth is, when played the Dunkerque I had just discovered the game.
I wish you content creators would finally put to rest the myth or truth about chance damage of fire. Training room with demo expert without it should put it into perspective once and for all. Maybe even a few different ship classes would be nice.
I recently also had a tier 8 MM against my Leander, but managed to save the game with my friendly carrier... This can't be a coincidence.. I even uploaded it.. :P
wow! it can't shoot down a plane from t km away? how shocking! I'm sure the real thing could hit a small, fast moving target at 5km. but really year of the carrier my ass. I know cvs can do well especially at high tiers where the planes are faster. but at low tiers, people get discouraged by the aa power. first time I ran into Cleveland aa in my bouge, I shit my pants, every one of my planes was gone from 6 km. fun.
Using Nurnberg only in the PvE mode, as an experiment I am trying a full AA spec, having loads of fun with it actually. Dont think that will work in randoms though :p
HE does not penetrate. It overmatches armor or shatters. You of all should know this. Penetration is, when shells don't surpass an overmatch treshold and their characteristics are matched against armor characteristics. This calculation is only made for AP. IFHE is a missleading term. It is just a buff to lower the overmatch treshold for HE shells. The only truly inertia fused shells are AP shells. Period
Technicalities. Point is, you can damage targets you otherwise wouldn't be able to with this new buff, or with IFHE. Whether it truly is penetration or overmatching really doesn't matter on practicality.
if you deal damage with HE the expolsion is strong enough to make the shrapnel "penetrate". As the shell explodes on contact no matter what it cant overmatch the armor, it just ignores angle.
It is important for people trying to understand game mechanics. It bugged me to hell, that HE could "penetrate" armor at an angle AP cannot, until i understood how it works. A task dedicated mean not able to do what it is meant for, while a not dedicated mean can, is a challenge for the intellect to overcome, unless you don't give a shit for logic and buy everything that is told to you. Using the wrong terminology always leads to misunderstanding.
Confusion on this particular matter is basically impossible because Flamu made a video on how HE works, and how IFHE affects HE. You can search it by typing 'IFHE guide'. Wrong terminology can lead to confusion, but not in this case. It's bloody simple. HE penetrates/overmatches/breaches armor regardless of angle because it's penetrative value is based on it's diameter divided by 6, and it only accounts for the target's raw armor value, aka doesn't facotr in angles. As long as your HE penetration/overmatching/whatev value is higher than the raw armor's value, it won't shatter and it'll deall full damage. You're turning something that is otherwise simple into an unecessary mess.
Nürnberg is the worst ship in the game...srsly , I really try to come back to it but its just a big "meh". Whenever I see one I know i can easily snack it without any problem.
well flamu i like u and u r vids but i hust want to say sonething generell. If u complain about every Ship they start patching every ship and then after some time they all would be the same. Its skill u need to improve and the playstyle. Thats the challenge to learb how to play. Its not against u just generell
The ship's called the Nürnberg because it's a real trial to grind through.
That's Nuremberg...
@@juri8723 I know that it's right but this sounds sooooo wrong xD
It is like B (Be) M (Em) W (double U) Although in German we pronounce it BMW (BE EM WE) :D
funny i just got it. i love it. that and the cruiser before is my favorit atm
I don't really understand how a Shokaku, especially one divisioned with a Kutuzov, can get deplaned against a 1/1/1 Lex, but at least he made up for it by charging into our cap to prevent it from flipping over, so the CV on my team got a compliment for manning up when it was needed. The BBs though.. jeez I don't understand their train of thought at all.
EDIT: Also meant Budyonny, not Molotov. Budy has 16.6km range and 950m/s shells!
I think he meant the Budyonny
BB logic tracks, it's just rooted in ignorance. It's easy to get into the mental lock of "CAs are faster than BBs". Ten will get you twenty they never bothered to look at what ship you were in (or just didn't know anything about the Nurn), and assumed CA = faster = can get there first. Also probably assumed your AA could handle the heat under the same logic.
So from there, they figure they can track down the CV eventually while you go back and stop the DD. It makes sense if you turn enough of your brain off.
Unless Molotov was buffed since I last played it, it has 15.5 km gun range. But using its spotter plane, you get 18.6 and because Moloko has such LAZER guns, it is very easy to use! Nothing feels better, man, than popping that plane, and dropping 4 citadels on some unsuspecting Nurenberg (or ANY other cruiser it will meet really)
But yeah, he probably meant Budyonny - cause he said 950 meters/sec as well, where Molotov has 920 - but has much heavier shells at 215 pounds versus 123 pounds with the Soviet Lazer 152 L57 guns. Russian sure LOVE velocity - they and the Germans both do actually. But generally speaking, the Russian guns throw a heavier shell than the German equivalents by a decent bit, which is one of the reasons Budyonny/Schorchs/Chapayev/Kutuzov all have FAR better travel time.
Well, when u see which enemy ships have the most planes shot down, it looks like the Shokaku just tried to kill a Hipper with company of Tirpitz. I am not an expert on German cruisers AA, but i guess combined firepower of those two alone is probably enough to shred the planes.
That's because BBabies are some of the most arrogant, most self-important idiots you could ever hope to find. This does not apply to every BB player the same way "team-killing YOLO weebs" does not apply to every IJN DD player, but we should be honest here: the worst of the BB players will whine all day long about how torpedoes, or planes, or HE spamming cruisers are cancer, but we all know their passive asses deserve all that.
To understand the logic of shitty BB players, you must first understand how they think. The average BBaby is like a spoiled brat with a sports car. He thinks he's the biggest badass in town, but is also afraid of getting a ding on his ride so he barks orders to "inferior" ships to do what he considers drudge work: contesting caps, area denying and being useful to the team in general. He sees it as his birthright and inborn duty to sit back and snipe at other BBabies who are also sitting behind their team. Once in a while, he may grace his attention towards the other BBs, CAs or DDs playing the objectives, but these instances are few and far between.
Those players deserve to be treated like the subhuman filth they are.
Someone should study how does an average BB players brain works
It doesn't.
As a BB captain, other BB players confuse the hell out of me. They either go full yolo charging and immediately die to torps or hang out at the cap doing nothing and eventually die to everything.
Enter battle, zoom in, double click every 30 seconds, eat crayons, die, repeat.
Wait they have a brain???
u don't have to if u play BB also if u playing one class only then u might be a problem
Well, as a scharny player, i tend to be the that BB player who supports his CA's but solo caps in the end.
I suppose there's a lesson there: never assume that your teammates have a brain. Always assume that they are idiots who think the minimap is a cool decoration. If something needs doing, such as resetting the cap, simply do it yourself if it's doable and smart. You always have to consider the overall strategic situation, and there are a bunch of factors that go into making that decision. Still...yeah. Always plan for stupidity.
Flamu, how about a Budyonny/Molotov comparison video? You haven't done either of those since the captain skills have been changed.
I would enjoy that too :D
At this point, with IFHE Buddy is pretty much superior to Molotov in vast majority of situations.
Actually that's why I think quite a few people would be interested in a direct comparison video as there wasn't a video on either of them since the cpt skill change.
For example, I only recently started playing Budyonny (got it as a reward some months ago for some sort of campaign and started to use it for PvE) and actually I found out I really like the ship. I didn't plan to go up that particular tree branch, but if all the ships in the Soviet cruiser line are this fun I'm seriously tempted to buy Molotov and/or Kutuzov to be able to train captains and go up to Moskva.
Just go for Kutuzov if you can afford it, that ship is ridiculously good and fun
There are several factors actually, some of them conflicting and some of them downright really confusing. So take the following as a sort of stream of consciousness :)
I'm not denying Kutuzov is fun. It's just that recently I seem to be finding midtiers (after quite some time) more entertaining than t8-10. So playing Budyonny/Molotov with the same captain seems legit from that angle.
On the other hand, the remaining 50k or so I need on Budyonny to unlock Shchors (if I don't want to use free xp, where I have 650k real and over 8.5m dubloonable) is really not that much taking into account the camo and flag bonuses, so I'd be playing t8+ next week in that tree eventually anyway.
Therefore I'm not rushing into Kutuzov, and considering getting a 19* cpt on Budyonny/Molotov to have fun while farming free cpt xp, while maybe/possibly/theoretically getting Kutuzov as well in the future (I do that on a IJN DD cpt, rotating on Kamikaze R, Fujin, Shinonome and from time to time Shimakaze). Who knows, maybe Donskoi and Moskva are also sufficient fun to get them, and speed up their captains' training on Molotov and/or Kutuzov?
The above doesn't really make much sense in terms of clear logic, it's just an illustration of the complex and fuzzy thought process that usually drives my ship purchasing decision making. At the end of the day, I will most probably end up getting either of them (or both) on a spur of the moment shopping impulse. However, I hope to delay that impulse until getting an advice on this channel in the form of review of either Budyonny or Molotov (preferably both).
I think that this specific pair would even make for an interesting format with direct side by side comparison (if Flamu would find that format viable) of a tree and a premium ship of the same tier, looking e.g. which one benefits more from IFHE, which one from boosting AA, which one got better torps etc. I know that it's not rocket science, but very often I notice how people comment on things shown in the videos on this channel by "wow I wasn't aware of this", and it's something that appears in almost every video. Flamu has embarked on a mission to educate the player base and this might be yet another take on it.
I don't think Molotov has 16.6, that's Buddy. Molotov is 15.5 or so.
C hull also sacrifices the catapult fighter, which makes it extremely useless.
Really? I´m glad I stuck to B-hull, I was considering the C one for the operations mode to get better AA.
Geoffrey.R Hsu what the fuck? How is C-hull an upgrade then? WG pls
The AA is only better in the sense the Bogue is better than the Langley. It's like half a knot faster and like 2 more planes.
The C Hull Nurnberg's AA is very marginally better. If you want to worry about AA in Operations mode in your Nurnberg drop Hydro for Def. AA. You won't kill many planes but at least you'll panic them.
Geoffrey.R Hsu During my grind through the Nürnberg, I actually preferred the C-Hull sidegrade. Yes, I lost out on some damage potential in the form of those two extra torpedo tubes, but at the same time, if you wanted to use those torps, you had to be in kissing distance. You don't want to be six kilometers from ANYTHING in the Nürnberg, considering how squishy she is. You might as well paint a giant sign that says "FREE KILL HERE!"
Funniest thing last night was watching our Nurn Yolo against the enemy Nurn, which was, in turn, yoloing ours. They pummeled each other on the way in, and both got successful torps to kill each other. Same map as Flamu; Neighbors, right next to where B cap is. I had the fun of soloing against (and killing) the enemy Benson in my Buddy. (also got a flesh wound via torps of shame on the enemy Colo)
I enjoy Nurnberg more than Yorck and Hipper. The 6 second reload is amazing, especially AP against broadside BBs. You can get 3K volleys / salvo
While Hipper AP salvo can do 11k from 17 km away... But agreed, Nürnberg AP potential gets underestimated a lot. Yorck AP is just crap in comparison.
Murdering New Mexico's/Colorado's with Königsberg/Nürnberg AP when they show broadside is extremly satisfying since they are basicly made out of 25mm Armourplates and ofc. alota Superstructure
For some reason, I have a higher winrate in my York than in any other german cruiser. I enjoyed it quite a lot.
Nurnberg AP is so much fun. I did get a 7k volley on a Nagato from 11km. Itś fun to play unless you get random citadels from any plunging AP.
I absolutely detested the Nurnberg. Some maps screw you over royally, and you need so much effort to make the ship work even somewhat, whereas IJN or Russian CAs just steamroll everything.
Also, getting citadelled through the bow for half your hp is just...stupid.
Did you compliment the Shoukaku? He/She was smart enough to enter the base to stop the capping despite driving a CV.
The Shokaku was trying to survive the battle, but then he saw the two BBs doing jack shit and decided "If you want a job done properly...."
yeah, was the only possibilty to to win at this time
I think he said he did
great video, i got that ship now. i like the ship, just need to learn to use it better like i see you doing. most i got is 1500xp so far. long way from your score lol
do you have a video on how to use the hydro? i don't understand how that works.
Awesome to see that you keep showing more of the Tier 6-9 ships in the last weeks! Keep up the good work! If you want to suffer a bit, try Ranger.. but i guess you're not that much into hurting yourself :D
Thanks for this video, Flamu. I'm now starting to get better results with the Nurnberg, following your advice. :)
What about a video of the Tashkent?
Seems like you didn't make one since it was moved to Tier 9.
ANTWORTEN
Could make one yeah
Flamu That would be nice, Flamu :)
I'd like to see Flamu re-visit the entire Russian DD line T5+ tbh.
The german 203mm guns actually benefit a great deal from that HE pen buff. They can now natively pen 50mm of armour, which is a lot of german BB deck armour you'll find at those tiers. Plus it beats the Moskva 50mm deck armour and the Khabarovsk 50mm troll hull armour.
That's a threshold that was previously only beaten by BB HE and recently the HIV's 240mm (but only if the HIV is specced for IFHE).
Flamu, can you feature a recent Essex game? The last video on the ship is over 1 year ago! I am really struggling on it - especially against Taiho.
I don't really understand why you said it's bad mm. I mainly play my Nürnberg to get into T8 matches with like 5 German BBs (e.g. 3 Bismarcks and 2 Tirpitzes). Just stay 11km away and they will never hit you while you can deal a lot of damage. Just go forward, turn around and unload your rear turrets while dodging incoming fire makes this ship so fun to play. In a lot of the matches you even get like totally ignored. DDs don't really waste torps on you when you have hydro and there are T8 BBs around, BBs mostly engage each other and can't be bothered, CVs go for priority targets and only other cruisers are really annoying.But maybe it's just me.
A noob but hero Shokaku saved the game. If he didn't charge home base and his secondaries de-cap the Mahan it would have been GG.
sry and thanks ^^, just started to play with the shoki :D
was that you? good job man. you can learn the skills to control your planes better, but playing with balls and selflessness is much harder to teach.
A wise man once said,
"If you want a job done properly....
NEVER ask a BB player to do it!"
I really like this ship, feels similar to the Budyonny, which is enjoyable. These ships are meant to be played at distance and the rail guns help with that. :)
"any of these perks", kind of hard to see as you don’t record your mouse pointer
He's talking about the perks he has equipped
Scythl yes, and he highlights there, and he could as well had pointed with his finger at the screen
You mentioned the Molotov; would like to see how you play it.
I like the Molotov's guns but like the Nürnberg its armor can't withstand many hits.
Thanks for this review flamu
The moment i saw its nurnberg, i knew which stream game it was.
irl the 37mm flk was a beast like the bofors and shreaded planes
Well the anti air certainly can't keep up with Cleveland but it's still the second best cruiser at T6 I think. With AA mod and AFT+BFT you get ~110dps plus Def AA at 5km, with 5,8km on the 88mm and in my opinion that's viable. Personally I too rarely get the opportunity to use all those torps. And for a Ryujo that AA is nothing to sneeze at. At least while Def AA is running and he'll maybe looses planes when he goes for you without it. Also I hate carriers. That's probably the main reason I run C hull.
love this ship, had my best game in one - my first Confederate and Kraken Unleashed :)
FINALLY! u made it
Thank you!
I see Thea, I see her can be used as normal German captain, and it seems that she's not the premium captain that can be moved all around without retraining.
C not worth it? Well you lose 1 out of 2 torpedo launchers per side...wich means only 3 instead of 6 torps....per side. And you lose the Aircraft Catapult.
However you get an AA wich is able to kill enemy planes. Especialy the Midrange AA dmg is alot higher.
I have to say you don´t see many Cvs these days anyway but lets be honest how many times do you yolo in as a Nürnberg?
Are 3 Torps (i mean you have 3 anyway for close combat, we only talk about the additional) realy worth it to have an AA even DDs are ashamed of?
Someone has to do the math and compare C hull AA and the fighter plane.
It had to be a name. the fighter does what regular aa doesn't. it scatters the bomb/torp drops. now Def fire does the same thing but if that's on cool down then your fucked.
Well if you go for the C hull i think def fire is a viable thing. And in the Back def AA is better than hydro. At least in the early. And Cvs are better late game...and to kill as much planes early on as possible might come in handy late game.
However Def AA deals alot more dmg than the plane i suppose. And if the Carrier strikes you with all of his planes at once Def AA is alot better than the plane anyway.
wtf? 1.7 million credits? holy shit that could give the missouri a run for itss money.
Nice game flamu and I hope I can see you in the NA server!
If you look closely at the earnings screen, there was a bonus mission he completed that gave him one million as a prize, so his winnings were actually 700,000 or so. Still damn good, though.
I hated grinding that ship more than any other I've played so far. For me it will always be the nuremturd ;). Glad to hear they buffed it some it had the 360 turrets when I grinder it but the HE wasn't buffed so the HE would all shatter the AP wouldn't pen and I just had to pray for fires add to that the occasional first person being spotted and blown up with a single volley since I was still a newb and boy was it an unpleasant experience.
Flamu, you don't get shot at at lot when you play cruisers. How do you do that? It looks like magic.
He picks his moments so that the enemy is busy with somebody else.
unbelievable how Flamu hits each and every round. and his ass does the torpedo evading in automatic mode...
The Nurnberg is GREAT for operations mode
I don't have IFHE on my Cleve nor Budyonny, so the built in IFHE, turret angles, and highest ROF make it great for that mode
And the massive YOLO trips are great against the AI high tier BB at the end where you need alpha
Tony Chiu Can't agree more, especially with free IFHE and 360 turret traverse, gave Nurmburg quite some extra value.
nobody flosses Nuremburg like u flamU !!!! great gp against ametures lol
Flamu, please, what mod shows you the enemy's ship direction on the minimap?
Modpack from Aslain - display target direction lines
I just don't understand the matchmaking algorithm. 11k people online and the system can't put 24 people of the same tier together? I've seen 20k+ people online and the que instantly pops with ridiculous MM. You'd think it would try to place you in a match with equal tiered ships FIRST, then try to slot +/- 1 tiered ships after 45-60 secs and then +/-2 after 2 mins etc.
Flamu can i please request a Tashkent and FDG refresh vid?
what mods u use ?anw good ship i love to play with him ,,
I admit, I struggled in this ship. Only managed a 58% solo queue win rate, which is lower than my average. The main thing that made me upset about it was how it couldn't mitigate damage when spotted. No matter the angle, it seems vulnerable. If I showed enough side for them to shoot the side, they got citadel hits, naturally. However, if I angled enough to hide the citadel from the side, they would simply land citadel hits through the nose.
I played my Nurnberg as a kiting, island-hiding, firestarter. But enemy ships would drop shells on my stern and citadel me via the rear turret magazines. Or through the front. Or from the side. :P I had maybe one game in every twenty that turned out as shown in this video, interspersed with a lot of frustrating battles otherwise. The Yorck was a godsend, by comparison.
flamu, i have a big reason to believe that missouri can not be a money maker ship since 0.6.6.
day before pacth i recieved 1.4m credits with 185 k dmg.
now 150-180k dmg it comes round 400-600k credits .
comment please.
thanks
didnt u finish some quest or had some credit flags?
Probably a Mission or with credit camo.
I looked up an old result, 6 months ago, 190K damage, 1500 base XP, 710K income without flag bonus and before repairs.
The results I remember where I got more than one million credits were with the Gamescom camo.
I think the game is biased against me, as I always get tons of achievements, krakens, etc., yet I have NO camos, and during events, I always get very little flags and camos... Everyone else always has more than me, even if they play less, or have worse average games... Explanation?
Will this help the Yorck at all I wonder
AA on the nurn is not abysmal at all i get consistent 20 kill on planes if you add up specs its second to the cleveland but over all more balaned all rounder of all the t 6 cruisers use Defensive fire mod with an aa spec Cap you will deal great damage to planes work together with the cv her damage per minute thx to her 6 sec reload is 351000 per minute on ap and 153000 on HE the cleveland gets 288000 on ap an 198000 on HE cleve has no torps Nurn does protecting bb;s with this thing will win the Rankes
Best way to buff your bread n butter: *VEGEMITE* 💪
Nice game!
I'll be using my Köni a lot more it seems :D
are you doing any vids for a specific class of season 6?
As in ranked season 7? We don't know the tier bracket yet.
Ok
mhh can't remember how my nürn performed against high tier CVs but the C hull is in my opinion worth the trade off...
Wow nice play....
Regarding the fires to hits ratio:
I've been playing the Cleveland with my brother who is playing the IJN cruiser line, currently he's in the Aoba. I remember having absolutely abysmal number of fires compared to the hits I got. In one match, for example, I had 200+ HE shell hits and... 4 fires. Yeah. The Cleveland clearly has 2% fire chance, doesn't it? Of course there was some shooting on targets whose Damage Con was active or hitting BB superstructure that was already on fire, but that doesn't cover even half of the total hits. Sadly that wasn't the only match where I had similar luck.
On another note, we also got probably the worst MM that's even possible in tier 6 ships: only two tier 6's in total, that means us. The enemy team had no tier 6's, but I guess we had more tier 8's or something to compensate.
I've done my grind through the Nürnberg a while ago (currently I'm in the Hipper), but I still thoroughly enjoyed this video. So thanks to you, Flamu! :)
EDIT: Oh, and those tier 8 BBs... hah, if you had lost the match because of them I probably would have laughed in disbelief. At least the NC was going for the enemy cap though it didn't and wouldn't have made any difference in any case.
I had the same issues. Everyone seems to talk up how Cleveland is this epic firestarter. Not for me it wasn't. Even at 15% (iirc) fire chance, I maybe start 3-4 fires a match, with well over 100 shell hits (Compared to the Phoenix with like half the guns and fire chance, was still pretty much 1 fire per salvo for me). That, plus it's ridiculously high arcs and paper armor regardless of angle, made Cleveland very underwhelming for me. Then again I was maybe too spoiled by the Russian and Japanese cruisers. The Budyonny just shits all over the Cleveland in pretty much every category. Though I will admit, there is some dark satifaction having an AA spec'd Cleveland in a match with 2 CV's on the other team. Sadly, Clevelands only real strength (AA) is nullified with the fact CV's are a rarity and even then, most actively avoid you. Really fun ship in Killer Whale and Aegis scenarios though!
Remember that shattering drops fire chance by half, and then tier 6 resistance is another 25ish% reduction. Still not down to 2%, but it's within striking distance taking bad rng into account.
Goodwill from the old, pre-nerf Cleveland. That's why.
The old girl was quite literally a T8 ship put in T6 BEFORE the nerfs.
Oh, that shattering thing explains a lot. Also I knew ships have resistance to fires based on tier and even though I didn't bother looking up the actual values, I knew they're not anything crazy (like 50+% resistance) in tiers 6 to 8. I'm not speccing into IFHE because I'm probably going to keep playing the line further.
The higher tier USN CAs are pretty team-dependent, but they're worth it. You can get over 90k dmg in the Des Moines under one minute in the right conditions
So, is IFHE good for anything now?
rildain76 any non-german non-british light cruiser
Who need a Missouri if u can make 1.7M in a Nürnberg >.
1 Mil came from a mission, so its, sadly, "only" 700K+.
M Solo thank you captain
Donskoi commentary?
I always liked the Nurnberg, but then again I like the Dunkerque, so maybe my opinions aren't that great :P
That could actually be true. :)) I just bought the Nurnberg (so can't speak about her), but I remember how I hated the Dunkerque. Truth is, when played the Dunkerque I had just discovered the game.
when did it recieve this buff?
2:04 does that happen for real?
Significantly BETTUUUURR
As a bb main, i facepalm at every camping bb, every bb with SE, and broadside straight sailing bbs.
I wish you content creators would finally put to rest the myth or truth about chance damage of fire. Training room with demo expert without it should put it into perspective once and for all. Maybe even a few different ship classes would be nice.
The Nürnberg (even though i fucking hate this ship) is on of my best played ship (statswise)
I recently also had a tier 8 MM against my Leander, but managed to save the game with my friendly carrier... This can't be a coincidence.. I even uploaded it.. :P
wow! it can't shoot down a plane from t km away? how shocking! I'm sure the real thing could hit a small, fast moving target at 5km.
but really year of the carrier my ass. I know cvs can do well especially at high tiers where the planes are faster. but at low tiers, people get discouraged by the aa power. first time I ran into Cleveland aa in my bouge, I shit my pants, every one of my planes was gone from 6 km. fun.
I wish the same tier fought the same tier. Now in my Aoba I always get horrible matchmaking.
EDIT: although reking lower tiers is fun.
I am tired of cruisers not supporting their dds and just farming away on BBs instead.
AMAZING~~
us and ussr cc are much beeter then derman and japan cc
Roon plz!
Using Nurnberg only in the PvE mode, as an experiment I am trying a full AA spec, having loads of fun with it actually.
Dont think that will work in randoms though :p
Ömer Bekcioglu Nurnberg is very good in scenarios.
i wish na had a 1mil credit mission .-.
HE does not penetrate. It overmatches armor or shatters. You of all should know this.
Penetration is, when shells don't surpass an overmatch treshold and their characteristics are matched against armor characteristics. This calculation is only made for AP.
IFHE is a missleading term. It is just a buff to lower the overmatch treshold for HE shells.
The only truly inertia fused shells are AP shells.
Period
Technicalities. Point is, you can damage targets you otherwise wouldn't be able to with this new buff, or with IFHE. Whether it truly is penetration or overmatching really doesn't matter on practicality.
if you deal damage with HE the expolsion is strong enough to make the shrapnel "penetrate". As the shell explodes on contact no matter what it cant overmatch the armor, it just ignores angle.
It is important for people trying to understand game mechanics.
It bugged me to hell, that HE could "penetrate" armor at an angle AP cannot, until i understood how it works.
A task dedicated mean not able to do what it is meant for, while a not dedicated mean can, is a challenge for the intellect to overcome, unless you don't give a shit for logic and buy everything that is told to you.
Using the wrong terminology always leads to misunderstanding.
@Yoshi
You can imagine that it works that way to overcome the illogic, but hitbox damage calculation doesn't do it so.
Confusion on this particular matter is basically impossible because Flamu made a video on how HE works, and how IFHE affects HE. You can search it by typing 'IFHE guide'.
Wrong terminology can lead to confusion, but not in this case. It's bloody simple. HE penetrates/overmatches/breaches armor regardless of angle because it's penetrative value is based on it's diameter divided by 6, and it only accounts for the target's raw armor value, aka doesn't facotr in angles. As long as your HE penetration/overmatching/whatev value is higher than the raw armor's value, it won't shatter and it'll deall full damage. You're turning something that is otherwise simple into an unecessary mess.
seriously Flamu, Expert marksman sucks on a Nurnberg, you win 2 seconds for 180°
That's because EM is really only best suited for BB's (some exception for a few DD's). Just like how SE is only best for DD's.
.. that's what I said? I called it pointless and recommended against using it..
Flamu ok ok my bad. And when do you take hydro or defensive AA fire on the most of cruisers ?
Do you que with CV's often? Does your ship have fantastic AA? If yes, then take Defensive Fire. If you've answered no to those, then take Hydro etc.
Why do we as a player base still let shit matchmaking be acceptable??!
Nürnberg is the worst ship in the game...srsly , I really try to come back to it but its just a big "meh". Whenever I see one I know i can easily snack it without any problem.
well flamu i like u and u r vids but i hust want to say sonething generell. If u complain about every Ship they start patching every ship and then after some time they all would be the same. Its skill u need to improve and the playstyle. Thats the challenge to learb how to play. Its not against u just generell
lol
Can you inform me what language this is in?
DerekT english
1st XD