Low kv = a LOT of torque = high amps in small bursts (like multiple wheelies)... Shouldn't be enough to burn, but maybe together with one bad wire, or solder joint, or connector point, could be enough to kill it. Or its possible they have bad QC in house, and some bad units get out
I'm sorry with you. bad also bought a similar ESC. 4s lipo seems to be more suitable than 6s, because this is just a cheap product anyway. What esc are you going to replace next? From Viet Nam!
I have the same esc. For years they marketed this as Surpass hobby. A similar looking esc is the new 9imod. Runs so smooth as fck. There are factors that fries the esc. No matter what brand you're into they will meet their demise eventually. I wonder what you did there that ended its life soon. I have one similar esc and still running straight 25 minutes without issues. Usually, the culprit is the top fan. Once shorted by water they fried the esc bad.
lower kv DOES NOT MEAN HIGHER TORQUE! i see alot of comments saying that and it is ABSOLUTELY not right. it will confuse people who are knew. Also not everyone is willing to fork out more than $60 for just one battery. These lower kv motors using 6s or higher is kind of silly. I know I will get hate for saying this but I just bought another 6500kv from spectrum bc even though it says 2s-3s. which lets say you do 6500x11.1 will give 72,150RPMS, then if you use a 4s thats 6500x14.8= 96,200 which is insane. Yes the motor cant spin that fast of course but I changed my gearing and center diff on the new rlarrlo terminator and its INSANE. I have to put the remote on 70 percent otherwise it just sits there and either flips over and spins out of control haha. So Why go lower kv motor just so then I have to purchase more costly batterys to get the overall desire I already have using 2-4s?
The weak links of these cheap esc are probably cheap out caps(they won't handle ripple voltage very well) and if you put much load(high gear ratio + high torque) on the motor...those caps will probably explode especially on 6s (you would rather pair this esc with very high c rating lipos for 4 or more cells or adding big cap packs) this is my speculation based on my research so feel free to correct me
@@Antoniosp10 exactly, the current draw of the motor can exceed from the specification when the load suddenly got heavier (eg. When the truggy lands with high rpm then suddenly lands and the voltage will also drop a bit depending of the c rating on your battery and that cause the amps to go way higher although for a fraction of the second but if done repeatedly it can degrade the caps and other components that's why it will take a couple weeks or months before you see the smoke of death depending of how you use it)
@@trojaned1652 Bro, I heard about caps pack, can you tell me if this would help to prevent something or not? Of course, using everything within specifications.
@@Antoniosp10 i would add a cap pack if the motor and battery you've placed are close to the maximum limit of your esc(eg. Manual says esc can handle 6s lipo with 40xx 3000kv and you paired it with 4050 2900kv and you also run it at 6s. Those esc will probably smoke soon enough especially if you bash it too hard but if you only run it on 3s-4s and 2000kv then the esc won't get strained too much and you won't need cap packs)
Hey Ian we’re both those lipos in use at the same time😳 what s rating are they and why do you have your lipos wired the way you do🤯🤔🤔 it always blows my mind seeing it Maybe I would have gone Arrma blx185 before the surpass Thanks for sharing Bummer about the esc and can’t wait to see what you replace the burnt out1 with 😎😎
Thanks bro. I connected the 4s and 2s lipos through series connector that I made, to make 6s. They're both 5000mah 70c. I've been using this connector. It's fine. I am planning to replace the power system with brushed ESC and brushed 775 motor so I won't break more parts. I have the kraton for high speed bashing anyway. If ever I return to using brushless on this, I'd get the hobbywing WP 8BL150 (150amp 6s esc) as a replacement.
@@IsaiahJackson-v4f thanks for the answer bro, I returned that one without using and ordered a Hobbywing Quicrun 10bl120. The Surpass Hobby 80A was also too big to fit in my rig and feels more comfortable with the Hobbywing :)
@@uA_1905_hY That's awesome to hear bro! Glad your enjoying your rig that's my next goal to have an rc rig! These surpass hobby esc's are weird mine still works just overheats pretty quickly on 6s and that's the only setup i can really run at this moment until get the money to grab 2 2s lipo batteries lol! Not really enthusiastic about running 4s main goal was to max this surpass motor out and it's struggling to do so at the moment.
Wow man just seen this video... I'm gonna use my rocket 3665-3800kv or my 3674-3270kv motor both rated for 4s... I have a rcrunning ESC and it seems slow with a 20t pinion...
@SHAHLIFE way too much 4s needs like 2200kv 2000kv around those 6s same then for 8s u want 1100-800 around there lower the kv higher torque higher kv higher rpms
My local hobby shops in my area told me it just matters what the esc can handle if it can run 6s lipo and they told me that is fine it’s not what the motor can handle it’s what the esc can handle is that true and I was planning on getting a traxxas id splitter cable and running 6s
I somehow agree brother. This 150amp esc is surely rated for 6s. But if the motor demandsntoo much from the esc, it also matters because the esc could either cutout or just burn.. So it's still safer to follow what the manual says. But in this case, the Surpass Hobby is just low quality.. Safer to run it on voltage lower than the maximum it can take. For example run it on 4s only if it's rated for 6s. Run 3s only if rated for 4s.
It doesn't matter bro. The "s" means series. All the cells connected in series. The 4s is composed of 4 cells (3.7 volts each) connected in series. The 2s is composed of 2 cells connected in series as well. So if you connect the 4s and 2s via series connection, it will make 6s. Just like 3s + 3s in series connection. What matters is that the batteries connected must have the same mAh and Discharge rate (c).
I tho about it but I was just going to go with the flow of things plus on top of that should of had a double battery connector on the esc instead of 1 I think
@@ianbudgetrc2574 sabertooth esc has problem. Hangs and turn off or reduces power after 20 minutes. This is hobbywing 100a wp-8bl100 rtr. This car is new, not used since 2018. The model is strong and fast, rides on 4s, motor 3674-1845kv. Parts for it are not in sale
It's the same thing. Inside a single 4s pack are 4 thin battery sheet. So, it's just like literally connecting each of the battery sheets to each other when using multiple packs.
Sorry bro I can't really tell you what's the problem with yours. You can't actually recalibrate the esc alone but you can adjust the throttle trim on the controller to find the proper throttle input. And also, you can reset all the settings on your esc if you have the Surpass Hobby program card.
@@ianbudgetrc2574 thank you for your help I figured it out my motor wire was not solder good there was broken wires on the bullet plug I had to resolder it works now I do have a surpass hobby ESC program card my uncle in Louisiana bought me one and when I went down to Louisiana he gave it to me I'm going down to Louisiana tonight or tomorrow morning thanks again
Thanks for the concern brother but these wheels were just lightweight China wheels and the gearing I used was not too high. The motor wasn't even hot. It's just the supposedly 6s esc that couldn't handle it..
It's okay as long as each cell in each pack is the same as the rest. The mAh and C rating are the same. And they are all connected through series connection. There's no problem. Don't be fooled by the number of "s" like 4s or 2s
It says the ESC is fully waterproof but the fan isnt ..so its not advised to get it wet unless you remove the fan first
Low kv = a LOT of torque = high amps in small bursts (like multiple wheelies)... Shouldn't be enough to burn, but maybe together with one bad wire, or solder joint, or connector point, could be enough to kill it.
Or its possible they have bad QC in house, and some bad units get out
Thanks bro. Was unlucky with the bad qC I guess. I solder my wires well.
I'm sorry with you. bad also bought a similar ESC. 4s lipo seems to be more suitable than 6s, because this is just a cheap product anyway. What esc are you going to replace next?
From Viet Nam!
Thanks brother. Yea. It is safer to run 4s on this ESC.
I am planning to replace it with brushed ESC and Brushed 775 Motor.
I have the same esc. For years they marketed this as Surpass hobby. A similar looking esc is the new 9imod. Runs so smooth as fck. There are factors that fries the esc. No matter what brand you're into they will meet their demise eventually. I wonder what you did there that ended its life soon. I have one similar esc and still running straight 25 minutes without issues. Usually, the culprit is the top fan. Once shorted by water they fried the esc bad.
Thanks for the feedback. It could be the top fan as well. I will consider that next time I buy a similar esc.
lower kv DOES NOT MEAN HIGHER TORQUE! i see alot of comments saying that and it is ABSOLUTELY not right. it will confuse people who are knew. Also not everyone is willing to fork out more than $60 for just one battery. These lower kv motors using 6s or higher is kind of silly. I know I will get hate for saying this but I just bought another 6500kv from spectrum bc even though it says 2s-3s. which lets say you do 6500x11.1 will give 72,150RPMS, then if you use a 4s thats 6500x14.8= 96,200 which is insane. Yes the motor cant spin that fast of course but I changed my gearing and center diff on the new rlarrlo terminator and its INSANE. I have to put the remote on 70 percent otherwise it just sits there and either flips over and spins out of control haha. So Why go lower kv motor just so then I have to purchase more costly batterys to get the overall desire I already have using 2-4s?
The weak links of these cheap esc are probably cheap out caps(they won't handle ripple voltage very well) and if you put much load(high gear ratio + high torque) on the motor...those caps will probably explode especially on 6s (you would rather pair this esc with very high c rating lipos for 4 or more cells or adding big cap packs) this is my speculation based on my research so feel free to correct me
Thank you for your input, brother. You could be right. We're talking about current so yea
No, he was used a 408x motor with 6S batteries, on a truggy. Man… Did you saw the manual? 😂
@@Antoniosp10 exactly, the current draw of the motor can exceed from the specification when the load suddenly got heavier (eg. When the truggy lands with high rpm then suddenly lands and the voltage will also drop a bit depending of the c rating on your battery and that cause the amps to go way higher although for a fraction of the second but if done repeatedly it can degrade the caps and other components that's why it will take a couple weeks or months before you see the smoke of death depending of how you use it)
@@trojaned1652 Bro, I heard about caps pack, can you tell me if this would help to prevent something or not? Of course, using everything within specifications.
@@Antoniosp10 i would add a cap pack if the motor and battery you've placed are close to the maximum limit of your esc(eg. Manual says esc can handle 6s lipo with 40xx 3000kv and you paired it with 4050 2900kv and you also run it at 6s. Those esc will probably smoke soon enough especially if you bash it too hard but if you only run it on 3s-4s and 2000kv then the esc won't get strained too much and you won't need cap packs)
Hey Ian we’re both those lipos in use at the same time😳 what s rating are they and why do you have your lipos wired the way you do🤯🤔🤔 it always blows my mind seeing it
Maybe I would have gone Arrma blx185 before the surpass
Thanks for sharing
Bummer about the esc and can’t wait to see what you replace the burnt out1 with 😎😎
Thanks bro. I connected the 4s and 2s lipos through series connector that I made, to make 6s. They're both 5000mah 70c. I've been using this connector. It's fine.
I am planning to replace the power system with brushed ESC and brushed 775 motor so I won't break more parts. I have the kraton for high speed bashing anyway.
If ever I return to using brushless on this, I'd get the hobbywing WP 8BL150 (150amp 6s esc) as a replacement.
Ordered 80A esc today to run it with 2845 4500kv motor and 3S. I think (and hope) it will be fine. Im sorry with you bro
You should be perfectly fine running that 3s in there with the 80a esc for sure! My surpass hobby 150a esc just went up in smoke on 6s.
@@IsaiahJackson-v4f thanks for the answer bro, I returned that one without using and ordered a Hobbywing Quicrun 10bl120. The Surpass Hobby 80A was also too big to fit in my rig and feels more comfortable with the Hobbywing :)
@@uA_1905_hY That's awesome to hear bro! Glad your enjoying your rig that's my next goal to have an rc rig! These surpass hobby esc's are weird mine still works just overheats pretty quickly on 6s and that's the only setup i can really run at this moment until get the money to grab 2 2s lipo batteries lol! Not really enthusiastic about running 4s main goal was to max this surpass motor out and it's struggling to do so at the moment.
Wow man just seen this video... I'm gonna use my rocket 3665-3800kv or my 3674-3270kv motor both rated for 4s... I have a rcrunning ESC and it seems slow with a 20t pinion...
3270kv on 4s.
But 3800kv on 4s is too high, bro. I doubt if it could handle it. 3s would be safe.
@SHAHLIFE way too much 4s needs like 2200kv 2000kv around those 6s same then for 8s u want 1100-800 around there lower the kv higher torque higher kv higher rpms
Should of use cap pack too much current for the ESC to take the cappack will help
My local hobby shops in my area told me it just matters what the esc can handle if it can run 6s lipo and they told me that is fine it’s not what the motor can handle it’s what the esc can handle is that true and I was planning on getting a traxxas id splitter cable and running 6s
I somehow agree brother.
This 150amp esc is surely rated for 6s.
But if the motor demandsntoo much from the esc, it also matters because the esc could either cutout or just burn..
So it's still safer to follow what the manual says.
But in this case, the Surpass Hobby is just low quality..
Safer to run it on voltage lower than the maximum it can take. For example run it on 4s only if it's rated for 6s. Run 3s only if rated for 4s.
@ianbudgetrc2574 what you would run it a single 6s or single 5s
Did any one notice he's running a 4s and a 2s battery. It should be 3s + 3s battery.
It doesn't matter bro.
The "s" means series. All the cells connected in series. The 4s is composed of 4 cells (3.7 volts each) connected in series. The 2s is composed of 2 cells connected in series as well. So if you connect the 4s and 2s via series connection, it will make 6s. Just like 3s + 3s in series connection.
What matters is that the batteries connected must have the same mAh and Discharge rate (c).
This means your an idiot that’s an electrical hazard, Why don’t you put a 1/5 scale motor on there while you’re at it stupid ass
It's NORMAL 3s + 2s = 5s. Heli pilots do it all the time. Surface people 😂
I tho about it but I was just going to go with the flow of things plus on top of that should of had a double battery connector on the esc instead of 1 I think
Do you know a car basher sabertooth? What can you say about her? I bought it recently
Sabertooth is a nice RC truck!
I say it is faster and tougher than this ZD Racing truck I have.
@@ianbudgetrc2574 sabertooth esc has problem. Hangs and turn off or reduces power after 20 minutes. This is hobbywing 100a wp-8bl100 rtr. This car is new, not used since 2018. The model is strong and fast, rides on 4s, motor 3674-1845kv. Parts for it are not in sale
What if you just use single batteries like a single 6s are single 5S well it work then
It's the same thing. Inside a single 4s pack are 4 thin battery sheet.
So, it's just like literally connecting each of the battery sheets to each other when using multiple packs.
How do I recalibrate it and I have a 1 20a esc and it has a red light on it a solid red light what can I do to fix it
Sorry bro I can't really tell you what's the problem with yours.
You can't actually recalibrate the esc alone but you can adjust the throttle trim on the controller to find the proper throttle input.
And also, you can reset all the settings on your esc if you have the Surpass Hobby program card.
@@ianbudgetrc2574 thank you for your help I figured it out my motor wire was not solder good there was broken wires on the bullet plug I had to resolder it works now I do have a surpass hobby ESC program card my uncle in Louisiana bought me one and when I went down to Louisiana he gave it to me I'm going down to Louisiana tonight or tomorrow morning thanks again
Man them Tires are too damn heavy for that truck to be running 6s on the road with bashing gears yeah it got hot quick
Thanks for the concern brother but these wheels were just lightweight China wheels and the gearing I used was not too high. The motor wasn't even hot. It's just the supposedly 6s esc that couldn't handle it..
Damn thats sucks bro hope it's just the fan or contact them get a new 1 asap
Like mine,just 80A esc,just bought it and not install yet,just test it and it burn just after try pull the trigger 2,3 time,suprass hobby just sucks
I feel you, bro..
Same thing happened to me today.
I feel sad for you bro..
I have the same ESC I think it can take up to 3s
Yes bro.
This 150 amp esc can take 3s, 4s, 5s, and 6s. I am not sure if it can use 2s tho
@@ianbudgetrc2574 yes it can take a 2 s I’m running a 2s now I’m thinking about upgrading it to a 4 s now that you said it can go up to 6s
@@thomassimmons1947 yes bro. But note that I burnt mine on 6s in this video. Just be extra cautious. With 4s, you should be fine.
@@ianbudgetrc2574 ok will do and thanks for the advice bro💯💪🏾
Should of use cap pack
you cant run it with a 4s and 6s, the batteries needs to be the same
It's okay as long as each cell in each pack is the same as the rest. The mAh and C rating are the same. And they are all connected through series connection. There's no problem. Don't be fooled by the number of "s" like 4s or 2s
No but serie is 6s+4s=10s and the voltage is way to high
@@pieterkruijver3939 he had 4s+2s
And mine burn
Sorry
This surpass esc sucks
I thinks motors are good from surpass
That's true. They have decent motors. It's just the ESC that is not really good..
Lesson learned. I hope others can learn from this video too.
I have the 3670 surpass motor paired with a castle 15amp esc in my slash running 3s man she does about 60 mph barely on the trigger
Ha
Are they just no good LOL
I can't tell exactly. But it sure is cheap. And you get what you pay for..
To be safe, use only 3s on 4s esc. 4s on 6s esc...
Lol