The beam "color" seems to be only to help aiming the dish to the proper transponder for your area, once the dish is properly aimed and you advance to the next step of the web interface the modem will choose the transponder with the best signal regardless of the color you had chosen, it will do the same after every power cycle. The TRIA seems to have its own CPU and also its own IP address for configuration and diagnostics, I found that information on some forum many years ago when I was looking for a way to reset the modem remotely... the best solution I found all over the internet after many hours of searching was to use a smart power plug to turn it off and on again, it seems that no one knew how to restart it remotely or if it even had that function implemented but someone knew what was inside the TRIA 🤷♂ Look at all those warning stickers, if you put your hand in front of the LNB you will be shortening your life by the same amount of time you spend with your hand in front of the LNB 😅 If you wonder why the web interface tells you the cable resistance that's because Viasat and/or Tooway use crappy copper clad steel coaxial cable.
Thank You for all your great videos and knowledge , more videos please…Great English… My experiences range from : NOAA APT , HRIT , GVAR and now GOES GRB. Best wishes from Colorado , USA..
The uplink freuqency should be in the range: 27.5 GHz - 30.0 GHz With the donwlink being: 17.7 GHz - 20.2 GHz So there is one up and one downconverter.
Hello there, recently found your channel and I'm loving the content! So, for doing spectrum scanning I like to use either Satsagen or Spektrum, I recommend you try them, both are free and very nice to use, the former being a more complete option than the latter. Keep up the nice work.
Disable the trackpad and use a mouse. For the SDRplay receivers some clever guy has made a software wich can scan from 1kHz to 2 GHz in one go, or whatever one wish within that frequency limit. It simply reprogrames the SDRplay one chunk of spectrum at a time and draws the spectrum. Sounds clunky but it works very very smooth. A very cool spectrum analyzer and very precise. Maybe somebody made some software for your devices.... I have no experience with the SDR devices you have there. Thanks for the upload. I like your efforts and entusiasm. Keep exploring.
nice backyard you got der!!. did this work ? where you able to find the signals? why dont you use this setup for tracking NOAA singnals you have a good gear there..
That TrackPad glitch happens on my T480 as well. I guess it's just some bug in the firmware. And btw, there's a good chance your USB problems would disappear on Linux. Or at the very least they could be troubleshooted relatively easily 🙃
Yeah! That's how it should be, in the ODU there must be an LO and a Mixer to cook that baseband. It can be simply checked putting a freq counter at the output of the IDU
děkuji za velmi zajímavé video! Always wish I could use my old sky digital satellite dish for something. It still has its LNB and some cable attached but I no longer have the receiver. If there are any suggestion what can do with, would be interesting to know :D So funny :D Chicken, Diesel, Noisy bird etc, is why I love and want to live in CZ. I would like Moravia side, Brno or Vsetin so I can be close to Vsetin Hokej team, love them, great team. For now, have to put up with UK, horrible country lol Great video, love watching all of them :D Thanks!
I have a question for the clear internet connection. If you are transmitting packets, what does it mean? Can you connect to the WAN internet through the KA-SAT, like ping the google DNS? If so, that means you just RX and TX packets with satellites and that means, you must transmit some EM pulses signal from the LNB to the satellite. What license or band concession you need to legally do this thing. I mean, I am from CZ, and for know, IDK that I can have satellite internet legally without any license or registration at ČTÚ. For a couple times, I got into argument with Starlink internet as well. I couldn't find any paper from our state authorities of telecommunication that makes legally transmitting on frequency like 9 - 13 GHz on Starlink satellite. The problem is not receiving packets, problem is sending ACK packets to the satellite as TCP protocols (maybe it's using very different protocols with satellite communication or UDP) to be conforming the received packets and of course, sending data directly to the satellite with some intensions of browsing internet to give some request packets on servers in the WAN.
Its gonna be the same as wifi or any other wireless device, the hardware itself comes certified and as long as you use it for its intended purpose and on a non-interference basis you are fine. I tried pinging a DNS server in this video and got no response so without the modem being registered, activated and paid for, it will not let you through to the Internet. It could be a problem if you import the hardware from some other country so it's not compliant with local laws but this modem and setup has been used in CZ
When Derek first got a lock it was already like a million bytes either way. That's 1Mbyte of data. Before hopping into the bandwagon of thinking about the upper OSI layer levels like the transport layer which is represented by stuff like TCP/UDP there's deeper stuff than that. If the OSI model was an onion and you started to peel away at it until you reached the network layer of IP protocol packets there are already traffic there as that windows os is already sending out ARP requests and such. On that higher level where UDP sits there's a chance that windows tries to send out mdns traffic to resolve hostnames of nearby peers. Anyways Derek can maybe try to check if there's a default route established after getting DHCP from that modem, traceroute out to an obviously unreachable public IP address to discover other IPs (next hops) along the way to that ground station, then use those IPs as targets for ICMP (ping) packets as delibarate traffic generator to make more TX traffic. But I doubt he'll get a DHCP response, because I suspect that it was designed to establish an allocated public IP address on stuff that's plugged into the modem and that might be tied to having an active subscription with the provider, identified by the modem's MAC or similar. I might even be mistaken and it's not even DHCP, but a dial-up like PPPoE tunnel service requiring authentication which identifies the subscriber. I have a hunch that the sat is even just a "dumb" terminal and doesn't even know what the IP protocol is, it just uses pure ethernet frames or a more common (seen it being used on Ku based stuff) DVB transport stream packets like some sort of layer 2 switch and the ground terminal is the "smart" one. Because nobody would like to pay the price for repeatedly fixing a complicated datacenter in space that could go bad a million ways. The sat might simply be some pairs of wideband traveling tube amp tx/rx magic and some switching/muxing logic and a telemetry computer for monitoring it. Using DVB-S2 encapsulation of ethernet frames or just IP packets simplifiy modem design, avoids reinventing the wheel and makes component sourcing easier, because it basically builds upon already established standards made for sat TV. By reusing the same technique it makes the design resemble a glorified set top box and low power mobile ground station combined into one device. :)
@@chris-tal 1. thing is internet connection on its own, 2. thing is transmission between ground station and satellite on the orbit, as you probably want to say (I don't think it could be something like dial-up PPPoE tunneling service bcs for this, there are existing the actual service for satellite mobile that works very similar, mby same as PPPoE). I believe, Derek already sent some packets to the satellite but IDK if there is some software gateway inside of the modem that needs to established the connection between satellite and it can do only if it is registered by provider MAC address or if the packets are already sent to the satellite and the satellite ignored them because in IPv4 header it doesn't know the MAC address. What I know, the Starlink works only as big "mirror" on the orbit and the signal, that is receiving on 9 - 13 GHz band is (by thy satellite) send back on the ground station, where is RX and this data from satellite are goes to the datacenter. So satellite itself isn't datacenter. This is probably the same principle.
@@dereksgc Yeah, I think so, in future, the ČTÚ will say, it's okay in some restrictions (Wi-Fi on 2,4GHz band not more than 100mW Preamble) same, as with Wi-Fi standard in 2000s. But thank you, make sense, it should be problem.
@@faskedfask8012 Yeah I meant to say that. It's not a datacenter, that's why one of it's building blocks are called transponders. I'm almost sure there aren't any software gateways in the modem, because you can't easily hand out a public IP to the device connected to it. Only annoying, restrictive 4G ISP's do that in their cheap USB sticks (which are small routers too) who only have individuals as customers and CGNAT them on top of it to preserve IPv4 allocations(and AFAIK Starlink too, well at least if you only use IPv6 to my knowledge you can avoid it, they are using CGNAT on v4). :) On Starlink there's IPv6 via RA messages to give out address ranges and their router picks it up (or using radvd on your own custom router). What I don't know is if there's any low level "ignoring mechanism" right on the transponder to avoid up/downlink comms channel congestion, because I don't think the sat transponder understands IP directly. There must be some control side channel for establishing a lock and keeping sync while avoiding normal use congestion with something similar to TDMA/CDMA way of coordinating multiple customer units Tx-ing (hidden node collision avoidance). And yes, IP headers don't have MAC fields, they are lower level and more local, but if you look at a DOCSIS implementation, the MAC is identifying the customer, because the CMTS end at the provider can "see" client MACs, they are transparent through that lower level. Those work like every subscriber have their own private bridge interface or VLAN tag (not scalable just with QinQ). For example 20yrs ago you'd have to call them and re-register if you changed ethernet interfaces(or clone the prev. MAC). You're still thinking too high up on the IP level. :)
Yes, USB layer for serial connection has proven to be extremely unreliable across all operating systems. Ridiculous considering that's what it was designed for.
"everything involving USB is just incredibly annoying USB and Bluetooth are the two worst inventions that mankind has ever conceived" *_You have obviously never had to work with RS232._*
The beam "color" seems to be only to help aiming the dish to the proper transponder for your area, once the dish is properly aimed and you advance to the next step of the web interface the modem will choose the transponder with the best signal regardless of the color you had chosen, it will do the same after every power cycle.
The TRIA seems to have its own CPU and also its own IP address for configuration and diagnostics, I found that information on some forum many years ago when I was looking for a way to reset the modem remotely... the best solution I found all over the internet after many hours of searching was to use a smart power plug to turn it off and on again, it seems that no one knew how to restart it remotely or if it even had that function implemented but someone knew what was inside the TRIA 🤷♂
Look at all those warning stickers, if you put your hand in front of the LNB you will be shortening your life by the same amount of time you spend with your hand in front of the LNB 😅
If you wonder why the web interface tells you the cable resistance that's because Viasat and/or Tooway use crappy copper clad steel coaxial cable.
Thank You for all your great videos and knowledge , more videos please…Great English… My experiences range from : NOAA APT , HRIT , GVAR and now GOES GRB. Best wishes from Colorado , USA..
Remember about polarisation signal changing by different voltage bias, upling and downlink can be on opposite polarization angles
The uplink freuqency should be in the range: 27.5 GHz - 30.0 GHz
With the donwlink being: 17.7 GHz - 20.2 GHz
So there is one up and one downconverter.
Thanking you from England
Hello there, recently found your channel and I'm loving the content! So, for doing spectrum scanning I like to use either Satsagen or Spektrum, I recommend you try them, both are free and very nice to use, the former being a more complete option than the latter. Keep up the nice work.
Disable the trackpad and use a mouse.
For the SDRplay receivers some clever guy has made a software wich can scan from 1kHz to 2 GHz in one go, or whatever one wish within that frequency limit. It simply reprogrames the SDRplay one chunk of spectrum at a time and draws the spectrum. Sounds clunky but it works very very smooth. A very cool spectrum analyzer and very precise. Maybe somebody made some software for your devices....
I have no experience with the SDR devices you have there.
Thanks for the upload. I like your efforts and entusiasm. Keep exploring.
I still using tooway on some locations, 80 Mbps @ 800ms ping ;)
Which modem can achieve that? The Surfbeam 2 datasheet limits it to 40M
@@dereksgc Nope, Surfbeam has ben bricked by the remote attack. Currently RM511?? i guess
Thanks, I really like this kind of fresh air sat hunting videos, I hope your chanell will get much more attention to it
nice backyard you got der!!. did this work ? where you able to find the signals? why dont you use this setup for tracking NOAA singnals you have a good gear there..
can't wait for the teardown!
That TrackPad glitch happens on my T480 as well. I guess it's just some bug in the firmware.
And btw, there's a good chance your USB problems would disappear on Linux. Or at the very least they could be troubleshooted relatively easily 🙃
Fantastic Video
Very entertaining
Great video as always 🎉
8:03 Love you do it yourselfing 🙂
I think the Uplink IF is very far down at 70MHz or so.
Yeah! That's how it should be, in the ODU there must be an LO and a Mixer to cook that baseband. It can be simply checked putting a freq counter at the output of the IDU
6 attenuators just to be safe
děkuji za velmi zajímavé video!
Always wish I could use my old sky digital satellite dish for something. It still has its LNB and some cable attached but I no longer have the receiver.
If there are any suggestion what can do with, would be interesting to know :D
So funny :D Chicken, Diesel, Noisy bird etc, is why I love and want to live in CZ. I would like Moravia side, Brno or Vsetin so I can be close to Vsetin Hokej team, love them, great team.
For now, have to put up with UK, horrible country lol
Great video, love watching all of them :D Thanks!
Thanks 👍
I have a question for the clear internet connection. If you are transmitting packets, what does it mean? Can you connect to the WAN internet through the KA-SAT, like ping the google DNS? If so, that means you just RX and TX packets with satellites and that means, you must transmit some EM pulses signal from the LNB to the satellite. What license or band concession you need to legally do this thing. I mean, I am from CZ, and for know, IDK that I can have satellite internet legally without any license or registration at ČTÚ. For a couple times, I got into argument with Starlink internet as well. I couldn't find any paper from our state authorities of telecommunication that makes legally transmitting on frequency like 9 - 13 GHz on Starlink satellite. The problem is not receiving packets, problem is sending ACK packets to the satellite as TCP protocols (maybe it's using very different protocols with satellite communication or UDP) to be conforming the received packets and of course, sending data directly to the satellite with some intensions of browsing internet to give some request packets on servers in the WAN.
Its gonna be the same as wifi or any other wireless device, the hardware itself comes certified and as long as you use it for its intended purpose and on a non-interference basis you are fine. I tried pinging a DNS server in this video and got no response so without the modem being registered, activated and paid for, it will not let you through to the Internet. It could be a problem if you import the hardware from some other country so it's not compliant with local laws but this modem and setup has been used in CZ
When Derek first got a lock it was already like a million bytes either way. That's 1Mbyte of data. Before hopping into the bandwagon of thinking about the upper OSI layer levels like the transport layer which is represented by stuff like TCP/UDP there's deeper stuff than that. If the OSI model was an onion and you started to peel away at it until you reached the network layer of IP protocol packets there are already traffic there as that windows os is already sending out ARP requests and such. On that higher level where UDP sits there's a chance that windows tries to send out mdns traffic to resolve hostnames of nearby peers. Anyways Derek can maybe try to check if there's a default route established after getting DHCP from that modem, traceroute out to an obviously unreachable public IP address to discover other IPs (next hops) along the way to that ground station, then use those IPs as targets for ICMP (ping) packets as delibarate traffic generator to make more TX traffic. But I doubt he'll get a DHCP response, because I suspect that it was designed to establish an allocated public IP address on stuff that's plugged into the modem and that might be tied to having an active subscription with the provider, identified by the modem's MAC or similar. I might even be mistaken and it's not even DHCP, but a dial-up like PPPoE tunnel service requiring authentication which identifies the subscriber. I have a hunch that the sat is even just a "dumb" terminal and doesn't even know what the IP protocol is, it just uses pure ethernet frames or a more common (seen it being used on Ku based stuff) DVB transport stream packets like some sort of layer 2 switch and the ground terminal is the "smart" one. Because nobody would like to pay the price for repeatedly fixing a complicated datacenter in space that could go bad a million ways. The sat might simply be some pairs of wideband traveling tube amp tx/rx magic and some switching/muxing logic and a telemetry computer for monitoring it. Using DVB-S2 encapsulation of ethernet frames or just IP packets simplifiy modem design, avoids reinventing the wheel and makes component sourcing easier, because it basically builds upon already established standards made for sat TV. By reusing the same technique it makes the design resemble a glorified set top box and low power mobile ground station combined into one device. :)
@@chris-tal 1. thing is internet connection on its own, 2. thing is transmission between ground station and satellite on the orbit, as you probably want to say (I don't think it could be something like dial-up PPPoE tunneling service bcs for this, there are existing the actual service for satellite mobile that works very similar, mby same as PPPoE). I believe, Derek already sent some packets to the satellite but IDK if there is some software gateway inside of the modem that needs to established the connection between satellite and it can do only if it is registered by provider MAC address or if the packets are already sent to the satellite and the satellite ignored them because in IPv4 header it doesn't know the MAC address.
What I know, the Starlink works only as big "mirror" on the orbit and the signal, that is receiving on 9 - 13 GHz band is (by thy satellite) send back on the ground station, where is RX and this data from satellite are goes to the datacenter. So satellite itself isn't datacenter. This is probably the same principle.
@@dereksgc Yeah, I think so, in future, the ČTÚ will say, it's okay in some restrictions (Wi-Fi on 2,4GHz band not more than 100mW Preamble) same, as with Wi-Fi standard in 2000s. But thank you, make sense, it should be problem.
@@faskedfask8012 Yeah I meant to say that. It's not a datacenter, that's why one of it's building blocks are called transponders. I'm almost sure there aren't any software gateways in the modem, because you can't easily hand out a public IP to the device connected to it. Only annoying, restrictive 4G ISP's do that in their cheap USB sticks (which are small routers too) who only have individuals as customers and CGNAT them on top of it to preserve IPv4 allocations(and AFAIK Starlink too, well at least if you only use IPv6 to my knowledge you can avoid it, they are using CGNAT on v4). :) On Starlink there's IPv6 via RA messages to give out address ranges and their router picks it up (or using radvd on your own custom router). What I don't know is if there's any low level "ignoring mechanism" right on the transponder to avoid up/downlink comms channel congestion, because I don't think the sat transponder understands IP directly. There must be some control side channel for establishing a lock and keeping sync while avoiding normal use congestion with something similar to TDMA/CDMA way of coordinating multiple customer units Tx-ing (hidden node collision avoidance). And yes, IP headers don't have MAC fields, they are lower level and more local, but if you look at a DOCSIS implementation, the MAC is identifying the customer, because the CMTS end at the provider can "see" client MACs, they are transparent through that lower level. Those work like every subscriber have their own private bridge interface or VLAN tag (not scalable just with QinQ). For example 20yrs ago you'd have to call them and re-register if you changed ethernet interfaces(or clone the prev. MAC). You're still thinking too high up on the IP level. :)
Man I had tooway 10 years ago... what a pain :)
"Unlimited data plan" and never got more than 2GB before they kicked me
... хороший ключ ))
Yes do teardown
Totally agree. Bluetooth is my nemesis. I hate that thing with a raging passion.
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Yes, USB layer for serial connection has proven to be extremely unreliable across all operating systems. Ridiculous considering that's what it was designed for.
"everything involving USB is just incredibly annoying USB and Bluetooth are the two worst inventions that mankind has ever conceived" *_You have obviously never had to work with RS232._*
hey, rs232 never randomly dropped connection. it just keep going with corrupted bits
bro needs to use SDR++
Thanking you from England