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Really liked this video and directly influenced me to purchase the C-Stand. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST BUYING ONE, I'll go into some of the problems I immediately had with it, but first want to mention how I'm a bit disappointed in Threefold not mentioning certain aspects and makes me think the video is biased, although they're upfront about being hired to make the promotional video, still confused as to why certain aspects were skipped. The first big problem is that the base does not tightly lock down the main riser portion. There's a pretty huge amount of play and revisiting the video you can see just how insanely the light moves around 2:40 and 2:50. Mine might have even more play than in the video, but I feel a heavy light could not be safe on it and even wind could even make it sway back and forth, regardless of sand bags etc. Just super annoying to have the main portion which should be the most secure, the part that feels the least secure. I guess I could try to make it a more snug fit with some gaff tape or something, but not something I want to do on a brand new unit and would then make detaching the base harder. The other annoying problem is the portion that is supposed to hold the additional riser, the part that doubles as a hook as well,(you can see it at 4:43), does not lock in tight enough to even hold the riser in place. On my unit, you can never lock it in tight enough, the smaller riser just falls straight through and is only held up by the knob. That means if I pick it up or hold it upside down it'll just slide out, only the knob and gravity keep it in place. You can actually see this problem in Savage's video at 1:20 ua-cam.com/video/Ok2Ucc8Fh2U/v-deo.html Threefold's unit actually does the job perfectly...which also makes me think not great quality check on all their units. The other problem I've seen a few mention is how this is not corrosion free stainless steel and that seems like a VERY big problem down the line. I really wanted to like this C-Stand and really like all the innovative features it has. I called B&H to tell them about what was happening with it and gave Savage the benefit of the doubt thinking maybe I had done something incorrectly but they told me it seemed like my unit was defective and recommended I return it. I got a telephone number from them to call Savage, and see if maybe they could attest to their build quality and give them a chance to send me a better unit or walk me through some fixes for it. (There's not easy number to find on their site, so luckily B&H provided me the correct number) I called multiple times for an entire week leaving messages with different departments and never had anyone pick up or call me back. I was very patient and kind mentioning how I really wanted to like the product but clearly had a unit that had some defects and was curious if they'd recommend getting it replaced or if all the other units would be similar. I wanted to give them the option to make it right and send me a good unit, but they never did that. This also makes me think their quality check isn't up to par and not really hopeful a new unit would solve my issues. Probably a problem with most, if not all, their units. I will go with the Avenger C-Stand and return this item. ua-cam.com/video/S_I-DSvWb8g/v-deo.html
My savage-stand came unscrewed at the base after three shoots. The company basically told me to glue it back together and that there wasn't an issue.. never thought I'd have to glue my c-stand to get it to properly work lmao As much as I want to like it, can't say I'm inclined to buy another one.
The Flashpoint ones from Adorama do as well. Between the two (I own both) I prefer the Flashpoint, I just got the Neewer on sale though and I have to say I'm impressed, but the Flashpoint is a bit heavier and feels just a smidge more solid.
Problem with the Neewer c-stands is the turtle bases are not actually junior pin size. They're too small. This means you can't use the turtle base by itself to mount a light as a low boy.
Just bought one for an upcoming 8 day shoot and they were nearly sold out everywhere! We received it today, and I have to say that I'm very impressed. My DP/gaffer is super excited to use it. Might have to buy more. Wouldn't have known about it without Threefold!
I ordered 4 of these stands for a small grip van I am putting together. One thing I decided right away, is that I am going to remove that little hook completely. The little stands and junior to baby will still be in the van in its own spot, but as cool as that hook is, I see it either getting lost on a rental, or just getting in the way more often than not.
This was actually a custom build cart. We bought a standard moving dolly from the hardware store and took it to a machinist with some vague sketches of what we wanted and he whipped it up for us!
Is the Savage C Stand with the turtle base more durable than the Neewer version? I have the Neewer and parts started falling out during a shoot! Now the pole doesn't lock in place. If it tilts while being carried it falls in that direction. I tried getting the mid pole replaced and was told that the shipping charges would be too much and I should just buy another one! But, how long until the next one falls apart? I will. never purchase Neewer products again!
Q&A: How has the pandemic impacted your business? Do you see a major shift in your approach to working with clients or even the kind of work you will do moving forward?
Q&A: How are company duties delegated? What is your customer acquisition process like? Pitching? What does the 5 year plan look like for Threefold? My business is going through a transition and feels like it may be starting to gain some real traction. As a fan of the company, in many ways, would love to hear about the mentioned above.
Hi Joao, thanks for your comment! We are working on getting our new c-stand readily available throughout Europe. Please find your local distributor to special order: savageuniversal.com/shop/international-distributors/
Hard to say. I think the pocket 4k & 6k specs wise are pretty future proofed, so I don't think a mark ii is coming anytime in the near future...but that's just our guess. I'd guess that a BM Micro cinema 4k camera would come out before a new pocket.
Great video but according to Savage when I asked what specific stainless steel is used in the making, "the polished stainless steel stand tubing is # 202," which is not corrosion resistant. According to their warranty page, Savage only gives their item like this a 90 day warranty rather than a year like everyone else. If there product is great, why not back it up? That, and they should stop telling people it is corrosion resistant. Not all stainless steel works the same way.
C stands that are spring loaded are EXTREMELY dangerous. I've had crew guys rushed to the hospital because they didn't know that it was spring loaded. I think I'll pass on this one. Too bad, because the other features are really amazing. Hopefully they will make on that is not spring loaded.
@@adamkempenich One guy was leaning in a little too closely and got hit with the knob. Another got his hand smashed up. Spring loaded equipment at that weight is not really that safe.
@@Ranger7Studios Dang. Really sorry to hear that about your crew 😟 I just checked these stands---the top spring held ~15lbs of compression, and the bottom spring is somewhere between 25-35 lbs, it would appear. I wasn't able to get much throw from them (about the same height as in the video)---not sure what other stands' throw looks like, though. We'll definitely be keen on set about that, though --- thanks for letting us know.
@@adamkempenich I know the Neewer stands are even more dangerous. The spring in those are horrible. I guess the best thing to to is pre warn people or just leave them a bit more extended, so they don't spring up upon opening.
Nice video, but maybe let's dial down the video jokes every 15 seconds, Edit (additional input) If i'm not mistaken your primary audience are guys from the field not toddlers. cheers
“How much you wanna bet I could throw a c-stand over them mountains!!”
If only coach would've put you in during the fourth quarter ... you'd've won state for sure...
.... They improved the C stand.
THEY IMPROVED THE FECKIN' C STAND
Questions for Q&A:
- How did you get started as a company?
- What are some things you wish you'd known back then?
- If you were starting over from scratch today, what would be the first essential investments, gear and otherwise?
Love your stuff, keep it up!
Really liked this video and directly influenced me to purchase the C-Stand. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST BUYING ONE, I'll go into some of the problems I immediately had with it, but first want to mention how I'm a bit disappointed in Threefold not mentioning certain aspects and makes me think the video is biased, although they're upfront about being hired to make the promotional video, still confused as to why certain aspects were skipped.
The first big problem is that the base does not tightly lock down the main riser portion. There's a pretty huge amount of play and revisiting the video you can see just how insanely the light moves around 2:40 and 2:50. Mine might have even more play than in the video, but I feel a heavy light could not be safe on it and even wind could even make it sway back and forth, regardless of sand bags etc. Just super annoying to have the main portion which should be the most secure, the part that feels the least secure. I guess I could try to make it a more snug fit with some gaff tape or something, but not something I want to do on a brand new unit and would then make detaching the base harder.
The other annoying problem is the portion that is supposed to hold the additional riser, the part that doubles as a hook as well,(you can see it at 4:43), does not lock in tight enough to even hold the riser in place. On my unit, you can never lock it in tight enough, the smaller riser just falls straight through and is only held up by the knob. That means if I pick it up or hold it upside down it'll just slide out, only the knob and gravity keep it in place. You can actually see this problem in Savage's video at 1:20 ua-cam.com/video/Ok2Ucc8Fh2U/v-deo.html Threefold's unit actually does the job perfectly...which also makes me think not great quality check on all their units.
The other problem I've seen a few mention is how this is not corrosion free stainless steel and that seems like a VERY big problem down the line.
I really wanted to like this C-Stand and really like all the innovative features it has. I called B&H to tell them about what was happening with it and gave Savage the benefit of the doubt thinking maybe I had done something incorrectly but they told me it seemed like my unit was defective and recommended I return it. I got a telephone number from them to call Savage, and see if maybe they could attest to their build quality and give them a chance to send me a better unit or walk me through some fixes for it. (There's not easy number to find on their site, so luckily B&H provided me the correct number) I called multiple times for an entire week leaving messages with different departments and never had anyone pick up or call me back. I was very patient and kind mentioning how I really wanted to like the product but clearly had a unit that had some defects and was curious if they'd recommend getting it replaced or if all the other units would be similar. I wanted to give them the option to make it right and send me a good unit, but they never did that. This also makes me think their quality check isn't up to par and not really hopeful a new unit would solve my issues. Probably a problem with most, if not all, their units.
I will go with the Avenger C-Stand and return this item. ua-cam.com/video/S_I-DSvWb8g/v-deo.html
the metal gear sound effect lol
The editor had way to much fun editing this video 😂
My savage-stand came unscrewed at the base after three shoots. The company basically told me to glue it back together and that there wasn't an issue.. never thought I'd have to glue my c-stand to get it to properly work lmao
As much as I want to like it, can't say I'm inclined to buy another one.
just a heads up, the cheap Neewar c-stands have the spring loading.
The Flashpoint ones from Adorama do as well. Between the two (I own both) I prefer the Flashpoint, I just got the Neewer on sale though and I have to say I'm impressed, but the Flashpoint is a bit heavier and feels just a smidge more solid.
You are right! I do have 6 Neewer C-stands and they are great.
Problem with the Neewer c-stands is the turtle bases are not actually junior pin size. They're too small. This means you can't use the turtle base by itself to mount a light as a low boy.
@@zoanyway That's true. Therefore I added Avenger turtles to my grip. But the Neewers are still a great tool and easy to carry.
Just bought one for an upcoming 8 day shoot and they were nearly sold out everywhere! We received it today, and I have to say that I'm very impressed. My DP/gaffer is super excited to use it. Might have to buy more. Wouldn't have known about it without Threefold!
Don't worry Adam. You can join the club of bald men. I'll welcome you with open arms. Also, I'm ordering one of these stands.
Thanks! I'm excited to get my membership card.
Nice!! Enjoy the stand! Let us know what you think of it
I ordered 4 of these stands for a small grip van I am putting together. One thing I decided right away, is that I am going to remove that little hook completely. The little stands and junior to baby will still be in the van in its own spot, but as cool as that hook is, I see it either getting lost on a rental, or just getting in the way more often than not.
the hole on the leg is amazing, loved the possibilities !
2:27 That noise... I had to rewind for that one
Question maybe for a future video: Can show us how you make your set flats? Thanks.
the @epiclightmedia comment is GOLD
can you share link to cstand with wheels i see 4.53 sec
This was actually a custom build cart. We bought a standard moving dolly from the hardware store and took it to a machinist with some vague sketches of what we wanted and he whipped it up for us!
Absolutely the most delightful c-stand review ever.
Is the Savage C Stand with the turtle base more durable than the Neewer version? I have the Neewer and parts started falling out during a shoot! Now the pole doesn't lock in place. If it tilts while being carried it falls in that direction. I tried getting the mid pole replaced and was told that the shipping charges would be too much and I should just buy another one! But, how long until the next one falls apart? I will. never purchase Neewer products again!
No issues with any of our turtle bases so far!
@@threefoldtv Thanks!
I Really love your Content! Keep doing these Videos! :)
Q&A: How has the pandemic impacted your business? Do you see a major shift in your approach to working with clients or even the kind of work you will do moving forward?
Q&A:
How are company duties delegated?
What is your customer acquisition process like? Pitching?
What does the 5 year plan look like for Threefold?
My business is going through a transition and feels like it may be starting to gain some real traction. As a fan of the company, in many ways, would love to hear about the mentioned above.
I enjoyed this a lot. I absolutely subscribed. Thanks for the awesome review. I definitely know what C-Stand to get now
This was a really fun video.
Traditional T-bone. I found my new nickname... that I'm giving myself
The way you tilt the lights without opening the lock is a bad habit but you know sometimes you are in a hurry
Wish I could buy one in Europe! Seems awesome!
You can!
@@threefoldtv A link to an online store, please?
Great Video! That is a pretty Kool stand!!
awesome video！what is the light at 2:03? Thx!
If yall could shoot a dream project with any brand, talent, or concept what would yall do?
HI. It’s so cool !! I want buy this one !!
Where can buy ULTIMATE C-stand ?
What if I liked and commented?
no but srsly. Seems like a nice product that you could use for some good work. But probably costs like the double?
Who else is UNSUBSCRIBED to Epic Light Media?
Aye
109% unsubscribed... Why would any1 sub to that channel. Bruh moment. Like I don't want free information delivered to me in an entertaining fashion
Anyone know of an European distributor to buy these? Great video and great product!
Hi Joao, thanks for your comment! We are working on getting our new c-stand readily available throughout Europe. Please find your local distributor to special order: savageuniversal.com/shop/international-distributors/
i like this guy. not balding btw
$255... 🧐Ugh I want one....
wouldn't say no to two.
Hey, could you please tell me the origins of threefold? What was it like when you were just starting?
Do you think black magic is going to come up with mark ii versions of their pocket camera lineup any time soon?
Hard to say. I think the pocket 4k & 6k specs wise are pretty future proofed, so I don't think a mark ii is coming anytime in the near future...but that's just our guess. I'd guess that a BM Micro cinema 4k camera would come out before a new pocket.
Yes.
but he's got a good decade, I'd predict.
why is this better than a norms or mathews? what makes them the ultimate? I need to purchase a few soon.
Michael J. Fox Vibe :)
Great video but according to Savage when I asked what specific stainless steel is used in the making, "the polished stainless steel stand tubing is # 202," which is not corrosion resistant. According to their warranty page, Savage only gives their item like this a 90 day warranty rather than a year like everyone else. If there product is great, why not back it up? That, and they should stop telling people it is corrosion resistant. Not all stainless steel works the same way.
Will this work on my A stand or B stand??????
Probably on other people’s, but not on yours.
well these c stand are awesome looking forward to get one of these keep up the good work .. ow and dear editor please grow up
This guy has no idea of how to properly use a C-stand. lol
C stands that are spring loaded are EXTREMELY dangerous. I've had crew guys rushed to the hospital because they didn't know that it was spring loaded. I think I'll pass on this one. Too bad, because the other features are really amazing. Hopefully they will make on that is not spring loaded.
Mind if I ask what on earth happened there? 😳
@@adamkempenich One guy was leaning in a little too closely and got hit with the knob. Another got his hand smashed up. Spring loaded equipment at that weight is not really that safe.
@@Ranger7Studios Dang. Really sorry to hear that about your crew 😟 I just checked these stands---the top spring held ~15lbs of compression, and the bottom spring is somewhere between 25-35 lbs, it would appear.
I wasn't able to get much throw from them (about the same height as in the video)---not sure what other stands' throw looks like, though.
We'll definitely be keen on set about that, though --- thanks for letting us know.
@@adamkempenich I know the Neewer stands are even more dangerous. The spring in those are horrible. I guess the best thing to to is pre warn people or just leave them a bit more extended, so they don't spring up upon opening.
the editing is distracting
Τhe whole video feels unstable and dangerous.
Nice video, but maybe let's dial down the video jokes every 15 seconds, Edit (additional input) If i'm not mistaken your primary audience are guys from the field not toddlers. cheers
nice comment but maybe let's remove the stick from our ass. Edit (additional input) unless said stick gives you pleasure
@@izored it was a joke, mate. It’s not my video
I love your content, but the editing was a bit overdone on this video.
I hate the way this video has been produced. It's such bad pacing and difficult to watch...