Vintage sewing machine purchase and first impressions: Singer 201 and 1200
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2017
- I've been looking for a Singer 201, and last week I finally found one. The next day, I found another - or did I ...?
In this video, I tell you how I stumbled on a Singer 1200, and how the 1200 is, and isn't, a 201.
Enjoy!
For information on identifying a 201 (and other vintage Singers), check out this blog (not mine!) -
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I found my 1947 15-91 in the dumpster behind where I work. Super lucky find. The machine needed a little tlc but worked when I pulled it out of the dumpster. Great find on your part
Nice!
I have a basket case 15-91 that I hope to one day rebuild. It's sitting on a shelf waiting for that day.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I enjoyed your video. I’m 67 and was taught to sew by my mother at the age of 7 on her Singer 201-2. I now own it. She bought it new. It is in perfect condition with original cabinet with drawers, Manuel, all attachments including button hole attachment and ruffled. It makes a perfect stitch. Runs so smooth. I love it. Sure beats my modern machines.
I am envious. I have been looking for a 1200 for a long time. I have four 201's, two 99's, and two 66's. I also have a japanese clone (post WWII) 201 which is smoother than the Singers. They all stitch beautifully and can work with heavier cloth than current machines. I do all my heavy stuff on a Juki 8700H. I have a couple recent machines for doing zig-zag and open arm sewing only.
Never apologize for having lots of machines. I find your UA-cam stuff to be very useful and easy to follow. Keep sewing!!! And..... I am a 74 year old man.
I had not heard of a Singer 1200, very cool. That machine will look super great in future project videos!
Thanks for the shout out, you are too kind.
Thanks, Alexander! And the shout out is well-deserved, you've been an inspiration. Thank you.
Great video! I just picked one up in the Victorian style cabinet with original stool, instruction booklet, and box full of feet for $45.00. I didn't even know what I was buying at the time I just thought it was a neat old singer. Only thing missing is the power cord which I have ordered. After doing my research, I'm going to retire my 1990 plastic Singer sewing machine!!! :)
I agree with you that Alexander Dyer and the Sergeant are both great guys to watch because of their sewing machine knowledge. I now add you to my list of mentors regarding vintage sewing machines and guy sewing related projects. Thanks again.
Cool Jason, I wasn't aware of the 1200 set-up. Let me tell you my very recent story. I was aware of the potted motor Singers, the 201-2 and the 15-91. Since the 201-2 is considered the "Rolls Royce" of vintage Singers and sells for double or so of the 15-91, I figured I would try and find a 15-91 at a reasonable price. I've been checking the local Kijiji ads (sort of like Craigs List here in Canada, but better. I'm around Edmonton) for months, and three weeks ago I ran across a "vintage singer" ad with an asking price of $60. I recognized from the photos it was a 201-2. I phoned the guy and made arrangements to go see it the next morning. He phoned me just before I was about to leave and said he could not find the power cord. I said I wanted to see it running but I would come anyway. And would he take $40 without a cord. He says "sure". He wasn't aware it was a desirable model. So I go see it, turn it by hand and it all seems very good. It was his mom's who had passed away, and it hadn't been used in over 20 years. The gears and underneath mechanisms are all quite clean. So no power cord, no light bulb, no spool felts and no bobbins. I'll take it at $40. In a twice badly painted oak cabinet with knee control. At home, I inspect the motor innards and it alI looks very good. I'm pumped! I check out parts places online and I order a bunch of things for both this machine and my other 1960-ish Jap made Coronado (which is a fabulous zigzag beast in itself) including the power cord and also a new foot control cord. All for $32 US, from Sew-Classic in Ohio. Arrives in a week, and just three hours ago I wired in the new cords, put on the felts, bulb, bobbin winder tire....plugged it in and fired it up. Everything worked like a charm. And in the meantime, I've stripped the paint off the cabinet, sanded it and put the first coat of Mission Oak stain on.So now I'm the proud owner of a great running 201-2 R.R. and I'm taking it to my grave. Hope you survived Irma OK. My daughter lives in Gainesville and she and her guy survived nicely, losing just two sections of fence. Cheers! Martin
Wow, great find, Martin!
I'm glad your daughter fared well in Gainesville. It sounds like our place is pretty similar, we're just waiting around to see if the power comes back on before we absolutely have to go home.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I picked up a 206k for $10 at a thrift shop. Having a hard time finding information on this, but it works beautifully.
Hi Jason: I have just found this channel - saw the "10 tips" videos and came to see what the 201/1200 was about. Seems I too have the 201. It was my mother's machine, full cabinet model, 1950 (the medallion on the front under the stitch adjustor says "100th year anniversary model). I was told it was bought the summer of 1950 (I was born that November). This machine taught 3 girls to sew, made all of our clothes and wedding gowns, countless draperies (mother made drapes to pay for the machine). It still has just a beautiful stitch. My only "complaint" is that when they wired it, the wire runs through the cabinet!!! There is no way to disconnect the head from the cabinet, so if it needs to go to the shop, we have to take the entire piece. 3 drawers, the large arm of wood to the left of the machine, and there's also a short extension arm to the right. Needless to say, it doesn't go in for service often. (I guess I could have it rewired, but I hate to "change" it from original) And thankfully, I'm comfortable with where to oil and such. I DO still have the book and the buttonhole attachment. Yes this machine is made for "home sewing", but it's beefy enough to deal with jeans and other hefty fabrics. Thank you so much for your video.
These machines are not made for the life time, but for generations, and I am a proud owner of one such antique machine.I congrattulate the then Singer sewing machine co for the simple design and durable quality of the product.
Dr.Raman.L.S.
I've got a hand cranked 1953 201k, it's virtually silent and smooth as silk, the most perfect machine of any kind I've ever owned. So strong I'm sure it could sew concrete slabs together if I asked it to.😊🇬🇧
I just found your channel by accident. My grandmother was a professional tailor and I learned to sew on her machine which was similar to this including the treadle and knee lift. I don't think it had a reverse but I sewed everything on it - leather, really heavy wool, heavy denim. It did everything. On her machine I think that plate on the left was black, not silver. When my we moved to a new city my parents didn't tell me that they left it behind. We just arrived and it wasn't there. (I'm still a bit p**sed about that). I'm sure it would still be working perfectly.
Mentioning the manual, I'll look in my sewing things. I kept the special attachments and may have a manual.
Love this video, thanks so much.
Franchesca,
That's a great story, thanks for sharing it! One of my most-prized possessions is my 1936 Singer Featherweight that belonged to my grandmother. I still use it from time to time.
Thanks for watching my video, I'm glad it resonated with you!
Hi Jason, great video. How wonderful, I will be on the lookout for a 1200. I recently started using a 201 and love sewing with her. A few months ago I found one for $150 off Craigs. I had sought one out as I have trouble sewing through multiple layers and needed a machine that could sew through multiple layers without having spasms. I am a bag maker and she has saved the day. I have been sewing with her exclusively now and my $3,000 Janome and my $8.000 BabyLock are in the garage now. Now I am thirsting for a 1200. Thanks for sharing the news of this marvelous 201
Thanks Phyllis!
I just sewed my first actual project with the 1200 - look for a video coming up. I'm pretty impressed with the 201 in general, and the knee lift that the 1200 adds to the equation really makes the machine excel!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video and I can attest to the fact that the 201 really is Singer's masterpiece of engineering! They say it would cost quite a bit of money to reproduce it today with that same level of craftsmanship. What was once the greatest name in sewing machine history has been reduced to selling plastic disposable junk! A lot of people get pissed off when they find they can't hem a pair of jeans on these new computerized machines because they have no "backbone"! All metal beats nylon anytime. The Singer's I own are all over 50 years old and I wouldn't trade a single one for anything they make today!!
I totally agree. It amazes me that these old machines don't cost ten times what they do. They're beautiful and incredibly functional!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Nice find, one thing people fail to mention about the 201 is the very streamlined head above the foot which allows a clear view of everything. I also have a bernina 730 and a 717 minimatic both of which have bulky heads and you find yourself twisting your head at strange angles to see what you are doing. All the best.
Beautiful old machines! Thanks for the link to the article, I'll take a look at it in case I happen to run across a 201.
I'm glad you showed this my friend that happens to be a Laber gave me his mom's vintage Singer sewing machine the light is on the back and i need helpwith information on how to fix her up.
Your videos are great... I found my 1949 201-2 in the art deco cabinet with all attachments for a whopping $80. I think you got the better deal on the 1200... You are an inspiration too.
Thanks so much, Richard!
Oh Jason!!! My wonderful husband got it unstuck for me!!!!!! It WAS gummed up underneath, the shaft or something. He got it loosened up, oiled, greased, and I cleaned it up and put it all back together and WOW what a machine!!!! I can't believe how perfect the stitches are for being through who knows what. It's a centennial made July 1951, in cabinet with bench. So nice. I'm so glad you posted your video when you did or I maybe would have bypassed the machine! I would not have known it was a 201. I'll be posting a video on google +.
AWESOME!!! I'm so glad to hear that. Sounds like your husband gets his choice of dinner!
By the way, I looked for your pictures on Google+ and found no results under that name.
Congrats on your new machine!
thats weird, try again. my google+ is KJ Louisi. I put a video on you tube. ua-cam.com/video/q6BtplHyPFE/v-deo.html
I recently opened up my 201 that was left to me When a friend passed ......Original owner .......used as only a farmers wife could use it.....for everything
It was electric all original I have swapped the electrics for a hand wheel thanks to you tube videos lol ....so I can take it outside etc to sew ..I have the table ...so it could be a treadle but way to heavy lol I might eventually put it in there eventually but at this time she is an incredible old portable no need for electricity lady who’s stitch surpasses my lovely Bernina b790
So far she has made a wonderful patchwork for my grand daughter .....she sewed like a quiet lady a dream done in front of tv not noisy to disturb or my granddaughter now has an antique scrap quilt made on an antique sewing machine just a bit older than me 😉 something to truly become a keepsake and I am finding I have started my next project on her as well my expensive electronic machine sitting covered up 😆 I really love your videos and have learnt a lot thankyou from not a tequila savvy grandma but a I can get this working antique. Style grandma lol 😎👍🇦🇺
As of today I am the proud owner of a Singer 1200. Your video was most helpful. Thank you. The one I purchased if fully serviced and painted Wineberry Pearl. Just love it.
Edit: I totally missed you mentioning that it was the pearl one. I saw it on fb. It is stunning!
@@mikeypotts4732 sure is. It's a honey. Thanks
New needle! This solves a lot of issues with my Precision Deluxe when it starts having stitch issues. Buy needles in bulk, because you can dull a needle faster than you realize. Nice finds on these new machines!!
Hi jason thanks for your reply much appreciated yea i had needle in wrong way now works a dream and learned more about it
Thank you
My brother found an old Singer 16-188 at a thrift store and uses it from time. It seems like butter. He’s an upholsterer and uses a Consew 206 as his primary machine but he loves sewing on that Singer. And my mother feels like she’s going back in time when she sees on it.
My singer found an old brother the other day
I purchased a 1200 in mint condition 2 weeks ago, and it’s now become my go to machine! I own 5 201-2’s but they’re also all mint, and I didn’t want to ruin the decals, so when I found the 1200, I loved the lack of decals.
That's awesome!
Love your videos - they're always informative and fascinating. Love your cat too! We have two kitties and one large dog. No surprise I'm sure - the cats rule.
I collect and refurbish vintage machines to the best of my modest abilities. I'm a 71 year-old great grandma, started sewing 60+ years ago (thanks Mom) and really enjoy it. I have modern machines as well, but the vintage machines are so much more durable and dependable - no plastic, cheap parts or poor design. I particularly like the Maruzen/Jaguar-made Kenmores but I have others as well. I recently acquired a very nice 201-2 that I'm almost finished with, so hopefully I'll have her humming soon! There's nothing like these "Grand Old Ladies" of sewing.
Thanks for the awesome comment, I love your story!
Incidentally, I recently acquired a Maruzen-made Kenmore, video coming soon!
Terrific! I'll look foward to seeing it.
Appreciate your love for these oldies by goodies! Just got but by the big... I thonk, not sure why. But I grabbed a nice 15-91, and a 301 (non 'A') version both in excellent condition. Would like a 201 to round out the mini collection. Good info
Thanks for watching and commenting, Jeff!
Hi Jason and congrats on your work. I too am a fan of vintage sewing machines. I didn´t realize that the 1200 had a knee lift ? Very nice addition. To be honest the machine sounds a little noisy , but I am sure that after a proper service and cleaning , it should sound better. I have several 201 ‘s. The potted motors are great when they have been reworked , don’t forget the internal light wire. There is however a weak point in this machine and it is the connection between the potted motor and the macihine. I forget the name of the material, it was well designed for its time , but not metal. Therefore , a potential accident waiting to happen (sometime?). This is why I prefer the 201 with the external motors. These are truely indestructible . If the motor dies you can swap it out , treadle or hand crank. Oh, and don’t forget the external wiring for the light is easier to replace.
Hi,
You're correct, there's some gear slop or something going on with this machine, and eventually I'll get around to working on it.
Regarding the material connecting the potted motor to the machine, I don't know what it is either, but my sense is that it acts as a clutch. It does appear to be a "wear item," but I haven't seen any references to catastrophic failures. Of course, there's a lot I don't know lol!
The clutch on an industrial sewing machine clutch motor is just cork, and those take tons of abuse.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hi Jason. Got into sewing recently. Started learning on a Singer 477 which was the model suggested to me by a local service centre. Been using UA-cam videos such as yours to learn how to sew. It didn't take long for me to develop an interest in vintage machines, especially the heavy chunks of metal with lines and chrome reminding me of steam locomotives. Would love a video on how to clean up a thrift store find. Especially replacing the wiring. Going to check out the channels you suggested. Thanks for sharing.
Hi! I need to do a video of what to do with thrift store machines, that's a great idea. I will almost certainly make a video on the re-wire of the 201, but it's probably going to be a long time. In the meantime, Vintage Sewing Machine Blog has a great series of posts on how to do it, you might check that out.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks for pointing me to the blog I will check it out. I just picked up a couple thrift store finds, a Singer 27 that looks in great shape and a Singer 15 that needs a major cleaning/grease/oil and replacement of rubber wheel, light cover, and wiring.
I own two 201-2's. They really are the best machines ever made. Even though I have 4 industrial and a couple other home models, nothing beats sewing on a 201.
I'm really happy I found these. The 201 was the last domestic machine that I know I want. And a basket case 15-91 just landed in my lap, too!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
thejasonofalltrades and don't get Singer's 66 bobbins, they don't work. You'll need the flat 66's.
Good tip, thanks! I think they're the same as the Featherweight? If so I have quite a few.
We recently picked up a 201 with a (non-potted) motor and treadle. It had been in storage on a farm, not used in decades, and cost us the princely sum of £16 including original accessories and a buttonhole device. Like your 201, the wiring is scary and we'll probably need to replace it/the motor, but it's working great with the treadle. The light is on the back of the machine... not sure if this is a UK thing. The elongated shape of the metal plate below the spool pin is a dead giveaway for a 201.
Nice find!
Yeah, I was was not as specific as I should have been regarding the light on the front. I was referring only to the 201-2, which I think is much more common here in the US than the later aluminum-bodied one (which I think is what you have...?). I should probably repeat at the beginning of every one of my videos that I actually don't know what I'm talking about lol.
Good luck with your project, and thanks for watching!
The -2 (or the K2 in the UK) refers to the potted motor rather than the body shape. Ours is still the earlier cast-iron version. I'm wondering if it's technically a 201K1 (treadle) with the motor bought as an optional extra - you could certainly buy a motor, light and foot pedal kit separately for retro-fitting. Maybe this explains the light being on the back?
Here, for pure geek pleasure, is the lowdown on 201 model variants: www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/201/
I prefer the cast iron body, I think the MK2 aluminium body looks kinda mean! For the same reason, my partner prefers the later version... apparently it reminds him of some kind of badass dog breed.
Are you still enjoying your standard 201, or has the 1200 blown it out of the water?
Interesting, I had only seen the cast iron ones with either a light in front or no light at all. Thanks for the link, I've read up on the 201 a little, but I don't think enough!
I haven't touched my 201, mostly because I just haven't had time to even think about starting the re-wiring project. I've used the 1200 a few times and love it, and I'd like to get the 201 going for sure. Stay tuned!
Likely already mentioned but I’d say featherweight is descended from 115 as they share the vertical rotary hook.
I think mechanically you are probably right, but I think stylistically they were intended to appear to be a baby 201. I may only think that because they share the front-mounted light arrangement, though.
Congratulations!
That machine does look great for it's age and the inside does look as good as the outside also and I have a machine which belonged to my grandmother and I have not used it since I got and put it in my house. The company made great sewing machines and I own a new 2277 model and have not used it yet and hope it works as good as the old machine.
Good video. I'm on the hunt for a 201 with a crinkle or flat black finish. I hope they exist as I've never seen one.
I'm not sure about the finishes they were available in, but they were made for a long time, so maybe! The 1200 is partly distinguished by not having the gold scrollwork on the bed, it's not completely undecorated but a lot plainer than the standard 201. If you can find one, that might be close to what you are looking for.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
In nearly 8 years and just under 200 domestic sewing machine restorations, I have never come across one of these. I have restored both 201's and 201k's (with the belt driven motors) and have also seen quite a few of Singer's 31-15's which were common for tailor's use. Thank you so much for sharing this. The knee lift alone makes it special. Now, I have yet another unicorn to search for!!!
Hi! Do you have, by any chance, a picture with the 201k? I just receive a Singer machine as a gift and I'm wondering what it is, because looks exactly like the machine is presented here, but is electric and has a belt. Thank you
I want to mention as well that this machine has a number on it which is EP501605. If you know what this means I would appreciate your explication. Feel free to email me at lrdnvdv@gmail.com. Thank you
@@lrdnvdv serial # (EP- 489072 to 509071) model (306K-319K) manufacture date (September 11 1959)
Recently got a 201 with a bundle purchase of 4 machines. A dirty 20u (the reason for the buy) and 3 other mystery case machines. All for $20.00. Ya a jackson. The mystery machines were a perfectly tuned but bad wiring 201-2, 128, and a pitiful white rotary. The womans boy friend was arrested and judging by the skunky pot smell of the house and the teenage kids and woman were high when i showed up it was very easy to have her throw the mystery machines in for free. It was a good day.
I just bought a 1950 201-2 this week in a cabinet for $65, it needs new power cords, a service and a cleaning. I also have a 1956 Singer 301a and a Bernina 930 Record(that my wife gave me, it was her Aunts).
Awesome 1200. I found a 1200 table that has a newer 404A machine on it. I love it. You're description is spot on. Thanks for the info.
thanks for the blog link! I do believe I am going to be a proud owner of a 201!!!
Awesome! Pics or it didn't happen ;) Enjoy!
I got it. It don't know how to load pictures here. I think I have the centinial! One problem. Its froze. I got the shuttle out and I will blow it all out. It doesn't appear too dirty. After I dust it off guess I will wd 40 spray to loosen it up?
So, take what I say with a grain of salt, I am not an expert sewing machine repair person. That said, I've had good luck with a product called PB Blaster for loosening old machine mechanisms. I have NO IDEA if it is safe for the finish or other parts of the machine, so I urge you to do some research on the inter webs if you can. Of, if you're not concerned about preserving the finish and want to see what happens, go for it. You can, of course, use it carefully and avoid getting it on painted parts of the machine, but it's worth it to proceed cautiously. WD-40 is more of a water displacer (that's what "WD" stands for), although it also lubricates.
I have a 1913 Singer Patcher that was frozen solid with rust when I got it, and PB Blaster got it moving again in like five minutes.
Good luck!
Thanks Jason for your help and quick response! I so appreciate it. I'm beginning to think it is a gear jam issue rather than a gum issue. The hand wheel turns a fraction then stops completely. I have let it sit in oil after brushing off dust and no response. It is clean, there is no rust. I have the shuttle out so now the only thing left to do is take out the bottom of the hook assembly. The needle bar is stuck in the down position. I got the needle and bunched up thread out so will go from there. I will keep you posted. I hope I don't have to sell for parts. It is so clean, the decals are perfect. And its a centennial 1951.
Good luck, hopefully you can get it going!
Your videos are great!
Thank you!
I’m going to look at a 202 today, hopefully
Thank you for your help.
It is called a "potted" motor because the way it sits off the back apparently looks like a pot. Or so they say. I just got a 15-91 which also has a potted/ direct drive motor. It is supposed to be a design that is pretty efficient. If you have any references for rewiring the 3-prong Singer receptacle, that would be fantastic.
I've heard the same thing about the "potted" motors, but I think that might be a long-running mistake. There are two "grease pots" on these motors, and I suspect that might be the true reason for the name. I haven't found any documentation of that, though, so I could be wrong!
I don't know if this blog covers the receptacle in particular, but it's a good place to start - vssmb.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-to-re-wire-potted-motor-part-1-wire.html
Just scored 201k made in 1955 with table (needs some work) from fleemarket. After 4-5 hours got it running it was completely Jammed now runs like a new machine. Whole set with lots of accessory was 20€ no case sadly.
Great finds, Jason. E-mail coming your way.
I love my 201-2, I inherited it. Made all my son halloween costumes. This a great machine, I would recommend it if you can get one.
Funny, my 201K has the light on the back. It's original but probably added later (as was the motor) since it was originally a threadled setup. The threading issue (right to left) and why it's different is because in order to grap the loop (bobbin thread), the open end of the thread (needle) needs to be towards the bobbin. This goes for just about every sewing machine I've ever seen.
Hi,
I'm afraid I was a little bit less specific than I should have been. The 201K has the light on the back, as well as an aluminum body (as opposed to the cast iron of the 201-2 I have). There are probably other variations that I'm not aware of, too.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Lucky you ! I hope to find one of those. I just got a 1949 15J in kind of bad condition, working on that .... but the feeding dogs are working , and there is not that much rust i have to get a strap on the side and the padle is missing also could you point me that direction, that would help and thanks for your videos you are great. jn
Awesome video. But a different question, what's that "cover" on your spool of thread called? Looks like a great way to combat the cat walking through and dragging a bunch of thread around the house.
Thanks!
The place I buy it from (thethreadexchange.com, no affiliation) calls it "thread sock." It's definitely a helpful cat deterrent, and keeps the thread cones not in use from coming unspooled.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Awesome! I got one too!
I'm comin' to join ya, honey
Hi .I just bought a Singer with cabinet. Can you help me with identify the model and year? It did come with a book for Singer Electric P.H. Built in motor 201-2 Reversible Feed Horizontal Rotary Hook. Thanks
Hi ehm I think I’m probably late since this video it’s from few years ago but … I happen to have a singer 201 but don’t know if I might use her to sew with heavier thread that the usual polyester for dressmaking … I wanted to sew some upholstery and medium weight bags but the thread seams not right with this model… with my 15-88 it’s perfect although but I don’t want to give up on her… do you happen to use a heavy thread successfully with the 201 model? Both upper and lower thread or only upper?
Thank you!!
Hi! I've used V69 thread (both upper and lower) with no problems in all of my 201s. I think I've used V92 a time or two, but I can't swear to it.
I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
HI Jason! Would I be able to rig up my 201-2 with a Knee Lifter like the one on the 1200?
Hi,
The short answer is no. There is additional linkage built into the body of the 1200 that is not present on the 201-2.
If you were sufficiently motivated, you could fabricate the necessary linkage, which would include drilling/tapping some holes in the body. I suspect that it would be far more work than it would be worth.
If you haven't seen my knee-lift "disambiguation" video, there's a clip comparing the bottom of the 1200 to the 201 where you can see one part of the mechanism in question.
I have seen a forum post where someone made a knee lift for a Sailrite using bicycle brake cable. I haven't experimented with that, though.
I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
I've been given to understand that it's called a "potted motor" because it looks like a little cooking pot.
I've heard the same thing, but I believe the true reason is that the motor has two "grease pots" to lubricate it.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@thejasonofalltrades thank you! Very interesting.
Hi Dan, I'd be very interested to find out if the 1200 was ever sold in Australia (land of 240 volts). I've been looking for one for a while - the closest I've come is a Singer 188 which is a tad bigger (but has the knee lifter). Do you by any chance know if the 1200 was ever built in the 'Mk 2' aluminium body version... (as the 201 was)? Great video of course! Sam.
Hi Sam,
So, the short answer is "I don't know."
Here's my speculation - in reading what I can easily find online, it looks to me like the only 201s that were made for the Australian market were the later 201K aluminum-bodied ones (201P for Australia, I think). The only production number I've seen for the 1200 is 6500 units, and I've never seen any indication that there was ever a 1200 variant of the aluminum 201. This is purely a guess, but I rather doubt they ever produced one, as by the time the aluminum version was being produced, the sewing machine market was already changing to more of a hobby.
I hadn't heard of the 188, but from what I've gathered it appears to be a short bed variant of a 31-15? It might be a fine option. To me, if you need a straight-stitch machine with a knee lift, there are (in my market, at least) plenty of older non-walking-foot industrials that fit the bill. Finding a 1200 would be great as a collectible that you can also use, but it's not the only machine that will serve its purpose.
I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
I was lucky to find a 301 and I’m amazed by the stitch quality and precision especially with its fine tiny stitch length. I do not have a 201. Would you know the difference between the 201 and 301?
Hi Sharon,
To my understanding, the 301 is similar in size and function to a Featherweight. It is a much more portable machine than the 201.
Thanks for watching!
Ok yeah - so It would seem webbing sewn into cordura etc may not break this but may not be the intended use...I guess if I want something specifically for heavier fabrics - that sailrite may be the winner
Just got a 201-2 but it needs some tlc... Missing the light socket and it had a couple of broken springs to replace. Finally found a light socket online, but I think it was overpriced and the shipping is ridiculous. Also found a nearly-pristine Queen Anne cabinet but it has a couple of spots where the veneer is loose. Can I repair this with an iron, or will I have to inject new glue and clamp it? I wanted to ask before I put a hot iron against the finished veneer. If you've seen this before, I'd love to hear how to fix it!
Hi Carl,
Congratulations on finding a 201!
Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about woodworking. I would be wildly guessing about how to fix the veneer. There are a ton of woodworking channels on UA-cam, though, and I'm sure you can find something to point you in the right direction!
Thanks for watching, and good luck!
How often do you use your 1200 for your projects or do you have the 1200 set up for just certain projects?
Hi Boyd!
I used to use it quite often. Over the last few years, I have acquired a few industrial walking-foot machines, and they see the lion's share of use now. I also do most of my sewing in my work space, and the 1200 is at my home. I keep a couple of 201s at work, among other machines, so there isn't really a great need for me to move it there, so it unfortunately doesn't get much use these days.
Anytime I am sewing at home and have a task that doesn't benefit from a walking-foot machine, I will generally end up using the 1200. The table and knee lift make it very comparable to my industrial machines, and lets my muscle memory work for me.
Unfortunately, many of my machines are dormant (partly because I have too many) most of the time. I try to rotate them into use when an appropriate opportunity presents itself, but 90% of my sewing these days is split between my Consew 206 RB-1 and my Sailrite LSZ-1.
The 1200, being essentially a 201, is as capable as a vintage domestic machine gets. It can be used for virtually any of the things I sew, with my usual caveat that a walking-foot machine is preferred when the materials get thicker and the assemblies get more complex and harder to feed.
Anyway, I hope that helps. You've inspired me to make a point to use that machine sometime soon :)
@thejasonofalltrades Well, you inspired me to buy a 1200 from 1954. I've had (4) 201s and (2) were belt driven from the GB. One was in a case with a motor and the other I had in a treadle with a motor included if the moment rose to switch over; I don't why anyone would because the treadle was so smooth. That one actually was sold to a couple in Australia, and the one in a case went to a lady that drove 200 miles to pick up. The other 1952 201 with potted motor I sold was in such great shape the wire was like it was made yesterday. So I'm left with a 201 potted from 1940 that needs rewiring really bad; so much that I snipped the wires, so I would quit using it. I can't keep both of these, but the little bit I used the 1200 with the lifter, I think it it will be the one to stay. I especially like the tailors table with the extension. When I rewire the 1200, I will make a disconnect for the controller so I can put my 319W in the table also. It will be hard to part with my other 201; it is in really good shape except for the wiring that someone botched while attempting to rewire. I especially like the older ones that have the more ornate chrome plating. Sew onward
You're a bad influence haha! I just picked up a nice 201 in a Queen Ann leg cabinet. As expected, it will need some wiring work and possibly a speed controller. But overall in very nice shape.
I do what I can ;)
Congrats, nice find!
Nice Subaru baja- super super rare.
That was my wife's, but after 15 years of ownership, she moved on from it a couple of years ago..That thing was one of the greatest cars either of us has ever owned, I wish they still made them!
Very good and great work sir
Plz sir I needed a machines
I have a 201 singer just like tha t one mine looks newer but threads up the same motor is working needle is going up and down but the top thread doesn't seem to catch the bottom thread can you tel me wher im going wrong here thanks
Hi Donna,
There are a couple of things that might cause the top thread to not pick up the bobbin thread.
Easier/more common ones are:
bent needle
needle not inserted all the way
wrong needle system for the machine
needle turned in the wrong direction
On the 201, the thread is inserted into the needle from right to left, not left to right as with many other machines - is the thread in the needle correctly?
More complicated possibilities:
needle bar height is incorrect
hook timing is incorrect
hook is damaged
There are other possibilities, but those are all pretty likely. I hope that helps, let me know!
Did you notice the spool pin below the forward and reverse lever I believe that is where you load the bobbin from
Yes I did! I actually mention it in the video, but it's a bit rushed in that section so you might have missed it. I don't have many regular-sized spools, so doing it the way I did from a cone thread stand is probably what I will do most of the time.
Thanks!
nice machine😍
Thank you! The more I use it, the more I like it.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
It is a 201 classfied as a 1200 due to the fact it had a knee lift and came with a commercial table and foot pedal just like you have.
Jason, I have an opportunity to buy a Singer 31-15 for $150 is that a good deal and what should I look for in a commercial machine?
Hi Tamie,
First, I am not an expert on vintage sewing machine values, so please take any advice I offer with a grain of salt!
Vintage sewing machine prices can be hard to pin down, and sometimes I think it's a matter of "how bad do you want it?" So, what do you want your sewing machine to do? The 31-15 is a non-walking-foot industrial. Assuming it's in a table, with a knee lift, and everything works, is that the kind of machine you're looking for/need? I've never used a 31-15, and I gather that it's a strong and capable straight stitch machine, but if you need a walking-foot machine (for example), then it might not be a good buy. By the same token, if you don't have room for an industrial-style table, or do lots of work that doesn't benefit from the faster speeds that an industrial motor usually provides, it might not be right for you.
If you do a lot of straight-stitch sewing on medium-weight materials, and want to go faster, have a knee-lift, don't need a walking-foot machine, etc., then the question is, "is it worth it?" I don't think there are many sewing machines out there that are great investments. I doubt I'll be able to finance my retirement by selling my sewing machines for hundreds of thousands of dollars one day. They were made in huge quantities, and unfortunately sewing is not an activity that is rapidly growing. So that brings us back to the "how bad do you want it?" question.
Vintage sewing machines are on the market pretty commonly, but if a machine you like is available at a price you are willing to pay, and it's a machine that fills a need for you, I say buy it (which is why I now have 11 machines ... ).
If you've never sewn before and just want to give it a try, this might not be the machine I'd recommend, though :)
I hope that helps. If you'd like to let me know what your intended use is, or what you are looking for in a machine, I might be able provide more info. You can email me by going to the "about" tab on my channel if you'd like.
Good luck!
If you're not tired of reading yet, this is a good read on sewing machine values - ismacs.net/sewing_machine_articles/how_much_is_my_sewing_machine_worth.html
thejasonofalltrades thank you Jason, that helped me a lot. I use to sew gloves at a factory and that was the only experience I had with commercial machines. I do a ton of sewing for family and mending their crappy retail purchased clothes! The machine I asked about did not include the table and I don't think I would use it enough to warrant the investment. Your information was very helpful as I knew nothing about what the machine could and couldn't do. Again thank you.
Hi Jason, I dont kno if u r still here?. I found u because I am having issues with my 1200 and need to take it to the dr :) Do u kno how I can get it out of the cabinet. TY so much if u get this and reply. Otherwise I did luv seeing 'my machine' on ur vid :)
Hi Phyllis,
You should be able to unplug the foot control and power cord from the end of the machine. If you lay the machine back, there are two screws that clamp onto the hinges the machine reclines on, loosen those and you should be able to slide the machine off of them to remove it from the table. Let me know if that doesn't work for you.
Thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades HI, Jason. I have searched and researched and found u again today :) At 7:47 in ur vid it shos the wire going thru the table. I kno how to get the mach off of the hinges, but I cannot figure out how to get it off of the table. It is wired in on both ends. Into the mach and into the controller underneath. Im sorry to bother u, but do u have an answer? Machine needs to go to the dr :)
Hey again. I did it--I did it. ok, will take my baby to hosp soon. thnx 4 ur help
found my singer rainbow last week for $100
Good vid. Anyone notice the controller for this getting hot?
I have 4 201s now, and I haven't noticed the controller getting hot on any of them. I would be very careful, the wiring on these machines is very old and could be in disrepair. If you have any doubt, please get it checked out by someone knowledgeable!
Only missing the drawer on the LHS
Do you think that it will be good enough to sew backpacks?
Hi Francisco,
Well, yes and no. First, I know there are people out there making incredible stuff out of 1000D Cordura and similar materials using non-walking-foot machines like this one. If I were going to use a non-walking-foot, domestic machine, this would be at the top of the list, and I'll be using it to make stuff for sure. However, I often find myself running back to one of my walking-foot machines when the seams start getting thick. Truthfully, I could probably put more thought into designing things so the seams don't get so thick, but to some extent it's unavoidable, and all of the non-walking-foot machines I have used so far have needed help in the tough spots, and that can lead to some inconsistent stitches.
When I'm working on a bag, I often like to use one of my vintage non-walking-foot machines for stuff like interior linings, for which I typically use thinner materials.
To be clear, I'm not saying this machine (or others) CAN'T do it. However, I don't think it's ideal for the really thick seam transitions that tend to occur in complicated, heavy duty backpack type stuff. I am spoiled by using walking-foot machines at home and at work.
Take everything I say with a grain of salt; I haven't even sewn anything more than a couple of scraps with this machine yet!
Thanks for your question, I hope that helps!
Thank you
Great video. So if I'm in the market for a first machine, and can find a 201, I should buy it?
Thanks!
So, first caveat - you shouldn't do anything just because I say so ;)
The 201 is a great machine, and if you are in the market for a straight-stitch only vintage machine, there probably isn't a better machine. However, they are old machines, and the insulation on the wiring can degrade, creating a possibly hazardous situation. At least one of my machines is definitely going to require re-wiring, and if I paid for that to be done, it would start to become expensive. However, these machines are also fairly simple to work on, and that can be a great experience-builder, too.
If you can get one (that works well with sound wiring) at a price you're happy with, you probably won't be disappointed. I almost think it's better if it isn't your first machine, because you might be going downhill with any machines you buy after it!
I get lots of questions that basically amount to "is this THE machine for me?" My answer is always, I don't think there is one machine for anyone. This machine is great, but I still will be using my Sailrite for heavier materials, and one of my zig-zag machines for when I need zig-zag. And I'll probably be buying more ....
It’s called a potted motor because the motor looks like a flower pot. Or so I’ve heard.
I've heard the same thing, but upon further research, I believe it might be because of the two "grease pots" on the motor.
I wish I can have that many money to buy every sewing machine
This machine is a bit noisy. I have 2 and they purr. What could be going on with it?
Hi,
I also noticed it's a little "clunky" sounding, particularly when starting and stopping. I haven't had a chance to crack it open to investigate. I've greased the gears and oiled all of the oil points. I suppose there could be some play between gears, a worn bearing(s) somewhere, or some other issue, but I need to take the time to figure it out, and it is unfortunately way down the priority list at the moment.
If you have any ideas, I'd love to hear them!
Thanks!
I think I have found a 201 in a vintage/antique shop for $79.99 complete with table. It is jammed, I don't know why, I tried to move the wheel while looking at it in the store and it wouldn't budge. Hopefully it is just bobbin thread mess. It has the potted motor and front light. I can't find anything on the serial # KJ40851. Going for a 2nd look today. Hoping its a 201.
If it has a potted motor, a front light, is a full size machine and says Singer, it is almost certainly a 201. Other clues are a round plate on the back of the machine in the area opposite the stitch length lever, and the shape of the front part of the machine. Check out Vintage Sewing Machine Blog's excellent article on identifying a 201. Good luck!
thank you!!! Hope you faired okay during Irma.
KJ Louisi lots of times vintage machines just need oil and 12- 24 hours to unfreeze and they work as intended.
Lucky Dog
Just found this video. 10 machines! Notice the vid is 5 years old and you’ve obviously been badly bitten so … how many machines do you have now!??
31 😂
You kept talking like all 201's are direct drive but they are not, 201-2 are direct drive 201-3 are belt driven
Hi JD,
Yeah, I am guilty of referring to the 201-2 as if it is "the" 201. One reason for this is I have seen dozens of 201-2s - I currently own 4 of them - and I have never laid eyes on a 201-1 or a 201-3. I don't know if 2s are just more common in general, or more commonly seen in the US, but when I say "201," I pretty much mean "201-2."
Thanks for the information!
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