Can you send me a phase 1 bis gear check somehow like if you have one made on sixtyupgrades? Ive been playing deep ret and its fun having repent makes it way easier for me to kill mages but im also twinked with every elixer + firey weapon I fought 1 mage for like 13m 2 fights in a row cus he was just sheeping me over and over but when I got close n hit he died before I didnt have repent it sucked cus they blink the HOJ but haveing Rep they blink that an then i can hoj and kill but I wanna have both builds just trying to figure out what gear to go for at this start of Fresh
There isn't any phase 1 BiS Gear. T1 is unirronically BiS... you can check out Holy Shock/Reckoning guide when I tank abotu Phase 1 BiS in the final 1/3 of that video. T1 or Rank 10. Rank 10 doesn't exist and T1 will take you 4 months of raiding to get a full suit. Moral of the story is wait tell Phase 2 / BWL.
I Second the other reply. If you did get a BRE... 1. Who's the idiot who gave it to you... and 2. Congrats. Its Really good. Like... Really Really good. For Ret Reckoning you would prefer a slower wep but for its TIME Reaver is #2 Best wep you can get behind Rag I think... out of MC anyways.
@@pallytime2156Im not even joking ahahah, I SR it during our second MC, and win the roll against 5 warriors, and also got crown of destruction in the same run
@@LouisDelamotte it's unironically absolutely horsesht as ret compared to warrior, thats why I asked if its ragebait. it's bis throughout the game for 2h warr and not even top 3 in phase1 for ret lmao.
keep it up man, just been thinking about how paladin is such a versatile class that it got me thinking about druid and how it almost functions the same way in that it can do anything in the game like Tank, DPS, Heal. Especially with their animal forms scaling differently than usual. pretty much right now, the top 3 most interesting classes have to be paladin, druid, shaman for me in that regard. Do you know of any reliable sources kind of like yourself but for druid?
you're actually taking + 30 healing spell power on gloves instead of + 15 agility ? also interesting with + 100 hp and not balance it out with + 4 stats for mana / spirit pool, and if you're going healing on gloves why not bracers on gloves too ? not to mention it's a 4 % hit on phase 6 gear, but 5 % is what is needed on a bare minimum, unless you're relying to much of vindication procs to lower targets defense.
The chants are more for Heal Reck then Ret Reck. Just Forgot to swap them over. Missing 1% hit or not is a season to taste thing. Some Paladins can't stand it... some can. It alters your neck piece if your want 5% hit. I was going for a "This is gear even a casual Andy could get" otherwise swap the neck for onny tooth or something better. Stam on bracers and 100 HP to chest is objectively BETTER on virtually any paladin PvP Build. You really really need to try to hit your HP break points. And what happens when you take 100 HP to chest and 9 stam to bracers is that youc an Ware... say... an Onny Tooth Necklace rather then the tank one I have for +1% Crit and Hit. Or say the Don Juls ring. ++Stam Here = ++ DPS else where. Paladins in classic DO have a +Healing break point they REALLY want to try to hit. I think its 200-250 Plush Healing. It cuases your Holy Light x2 to heal for 500 more HP give or take (I forget the ratio) But without it HoL x2 = +3400hp and with it it is 3900hp... helps top you off and moves the needle more then anything. This gear has 20% crit in avengers final form... so more crit isn't needed which is what the 15 agi on gloves would get you. The healing will give you 60 more HP to play with after you bubble 2x HoL. It sounds SUPER DUMB taken in isolation to trade .75 crit for 60hp??? But watch that Drakova clip and tell me he's not happy to have 60 more HP by the end. Hard to explain but when the extra crit MATTERS maybe 1% of the time and the +60 HP MATTERS 3% of the time. You notice. The way I think of it is that if I am bubbling I am likely 20% life give or take. 20% of 5800hp = 1180hp... HoL x2 gives +4k HP give or take. So I am back up to 5200hp. 1 FoL would top me off... or I can just do aggression from there. With the thicker mana bars +Healing is a legit stat. Assuming you have everything else you need. In AQ and Naxx gear there are a number of Str/stam/Int +Healing bits that are worth taking getting your +Healing up to 300 easy. Really its just season to taste though. Paladin builds have about 10% Stats that are "Flexible"... so for example you could remove 1 RING from every Paladin build and it wouldn't change the outcome of 95% of your fights.
@@pallytime2156 What do you think about swapping into Hammer of the Twisting Nether and Shield of Condemnation mid combat to get 550 + healing spell power or would that remove all reck stacks to be in vain to switch at all ? Also what do you think about Blazefury Medallion ? i never seen you talking about it in any video and i've watched quite a few hehe, it literally doubles your procs chance of SoR SoJ and something else i forgot, probably everything outside of concecration, it would make any reck or deep ret paladin that much more lethal in pvp.
@@PenanceTM That's a good idea the healing swap. But for Ret Reckoning. Ret Reck heals in bubble and they won't have reck stacks at all. Also its easier to get those +healing weps because of rank 14 gear. Pretty sure Bazefury Medalion doesn't do what you are saying it does because if it did Drakova would have told me. Even if it does... good luck getting that off of Lord Kazzak. I know it causes extra procs but I can't remmber of what.
@@pallytime2156 I mean even Storm Gauntlets gives you a double chance of procing vengeance as i have tested it myself, although i am not sure if it procs SoR and SoJ, did not go that deep into it as there is a video already out there for it. Also it seems that Blazefury Medallion does + 1 physical damage and not fire making it that much more valuable than any gear piece paladin can equip.
@@PenanceTM I recall me and Drakova tested EVERYTHING back in the day. Black Grasps of the Destroyer... do the resist trinkets Stack if x2 used... Some proc on hit leather gloves.... all teh weapons... Nothing really stood out to us as being worth taking over the raw stats other then Thick Obsidian BP. Can always find more damage on your paladin. Question is is it worth the opportunity cost. You have that 10% Stats flexability I talked about so season to taste.
Please talk about best weapon enchants and what to use
Can you send me a phase 1 bis gear check somehow like if you have one made on sixtyupgrades? Ive been playing deep ret and its fun having repent makes it way easier for me to kill mages but im also twinked with every elixer + firey weapon I fought 1 mage for like 13m 2 fights in a row cus he was just sheeping me over and over but when I got close n hit he died before I didnt have repent it sucked cus they blink the HOJ but haveing Rep they blink that an then i can hoj and kill but I wanna have both builds just trying to figure out what gear to go for at this start of Fresh
There isn't any phase 1 BiS Gear. T1 is unirronically BiS... you can check out Holy Shock/Reckoning guide when I tank abotu Phase 1 BiS in the final 1/3 of that video.
T1 or Rank 10. Rank 10 doesn't exist and T1 will take you 4 months of raiding to get a full suit.
Moral of the story is wait tell Phase 2 / BWL.
@@pallytime2156 Cool thanks! so just go deep ret for now?
what about Bonereaver's Edge for Reckoning ? I just got one on my ret paladin on anniversary
I refuse to believe someone actually gave a BRE to a ret, or is this ragebait?
I Second the other reply. If you did get a BRE... 1. Who's the idiot who gave it to you... and 2. Congrats. Its Really good. Like... Really Really good.
For Ret Reckoning you would prefer a slower wep but for its TIME Reaver is #2 Best wep you can get behind Rag I think... out of MC anyways.
@@pallytime2156Im not even joking ahahah, I SR it during our second MC, and win the roll against 5 warriors, and also got crown of destruction in the same run
@@pallytime2156btw, can you give me your discord please ? Got a few questions for the pvp release next week, or private message on UA-cam ? Idk
@@LouisDelamotte it's unironically absolutely horsesht as ret compared to warrior, thats why I asked if its ragebait. it's bis throughout the game for 2h warr and not even top 3 in phase1 for ret lmao.
keep it up man, just been thinking about how paladin is such a versatile class that it got me thinking about druid and how it almost functions the same way in that it can do anything in the game like Tank, DPS, Heal. Especially with their animal forms scaling differently than usual. pretty much right now, the top 3 most interesting classes have to be paladin, druid, shaman for me in that regard. Do you know of any reliable sources kind of like yourself but for druid?
you're actually taking + 30 healing spell power on gloves instead of + 15 agility ? also interesting with + 100 hp and not balance it out with + 4 stats for mana / spirit pool, and if you're going healing on gloves why not bracers on gloves too ? not to mention it's a 4 % hit on phase 6 gear, but 5 % is what is needed on a bare minimum, unless you're relying to much of vindication procs to lower targets defense.
The chants are more for Heal Reck then Ret Reck. Just Forgot to swap them over. Missing 1% hit or not is a season to taste thing. Some Paladins can't stand it... some can. It alters your neck piece if your want 5% hit.
I was going for a "This is gear even a casual Andy could get" otherwise swap the neck for onny tooth or something better.
Stam on bracers and 100 HP to chest is objectively BETTER on virtually any paladin PvP Build. You really really need to try to hit your HP break points. And what happens when you take 100 HP to chest and 9 stam to bracers is that youc an Ware... say... an Onny Tooth Necklace rather then the tank one I have for +1% Crit and Hit.
Or say the Don Juls ring.
++Stam Here = ++ DPS else where.
Paladins in classic DO have a +Healing break point they REALLY want to try to hit. I think its 200-250 Plush Healing.
It cuases your Holy Light x2 to heal for 500 more HP give or take (I forget the ratio) But without it HoL x2 = +3400hp and with it it is 3900hp... helps top you off and moves the needle more then anything.
This gear has 20% crit in avengers final form... so more crit isn't needed which is what the 15 agi on gloves would get you. The healing will give you 60 more HP to play with after you bubble 2x HoL.
It sounds SUPER DUMB taken in isolation to trade .75 crit for 60hp??? But watch that Drakova clip and tell me he's not happy to have 60 more HP by the end.
Hard to explain but when the extra crit MATTERS maybe 1% of the time and the +60 HP MATTERS 3% of the time. You notice.
The way I think of it is that if I am bubbling I am likely 20% life give or take. 20% of 5800hp = 1180hp... HoL x2 gives +4k HP give or take. So I am back up to 5200hp. 1 FoL would top me off... or I can just do aggression from there.
With the thicker mana bars +Healing is a legit stat. Assuming you have everything else you need.
In AQ and Naxx gear there are a number of Str/stam/Int +Healing bits that are worth taking getting your +Healing up to 300 easy.
Really its just season to taste though.
Paladin builds have about 10% Stats that are "Flexible"... so for example you could remove 1 RING from every Paladin build and it wouldn't change the outcome of 95% of your fights.
@@pallytime2156 What do you think about swapping into Hammer of the Twisting Nether and Shield of Condemnation mid combat to get 550 + healing spell power or would that remove all reck stacks to be in vain to switch at all ? Also what do you think about Blazefury Medallion ? i never seen you talking about it in any video and i've watched quite a few hehe, it literally doubles your procs chance of SoR SoJ and something else i forgot, probably everything outside of concecration, it would make any reck or deep ret paladin that much more lethal in pvp.
@@PenanceTM That's a good idea the healing swap. But for Ret Reckoning. Ret Reck heals in bubble and they won't have reck stacks at all.
Also its easier to get those +healing weps because of rank 14 gear.
Pretty sure Bazefury Medalion doesn't do what you are saying it does because if it did Drakova would have told me.
Even if it does... good luck getting that off of Lord Kazzak.
I know it causes extra procs but I can't remmber of what.
@@pallytime2156 I mean even Storm Gauntlets gives you a double chance of procing vengeance as i have tested it myself, although i am not sure if it procs SoR and SoJ, did not go that deep into it as there is a video already out there for it. Also it seems that Blazefury Medallion does + 1 physical damage and not fire making it that much more valuable than any gear piece paladin can equip.
@@PenanceTM I recall me and Drakova tested EVERYTHING back in the day. Black Grasps of the Destroyer... do the resist trinkets Stack if x2 used...
Some proc on hit leather gloves.... all teh weapons...
Nothing really stood out to us as being worth taking over the raw stats other then Thick Obsidian BP.
Can always find more damage on your paladin. Question is is it worth the opportunity cost.
You have that 10% Stats flexability I talked about so season to taste.
We dont care about the genealogy of the video get to the point...