To be fair, fostering 30 children isn’t out of the question. Some children are only fostered for a few days to a week. If a foster parent is willing to take on emergency placements (which this character does as they are taking in a baby on Christmas Eve) then I think 30 children is reasonable
I wish the Goblins kidnapping the babies and eating them stuff was done a lot more seriously. Like, genuinely shocking with disgust and horror on the character's faces.
Surprisingly, the concept of the Goblins seems like something from the 2nd or 4th Doctor era, and the amount of seriousness played by the plot and actors would have been higher than the actual episode's execution.
It's been a weird few years for Doctor Who with the tone being mishashed we get stuff that is dark and good and would make for a standout episode but it is forced alongside a goofier tone that just undermines any seriousness and stake in the story.
How have you not heard of Davina McCall? Presenter of Big Brother for years, Masked Singer, various BBC shows throughout the years, also Davina droid in Bad Wolf from Series 1 was not only based on Davina but voiced by her too
As for people outside of the UK, we tend to just shrug when a character like this shows up. We might not get that Davina actually hosts a show of orphans meeting their family, but we just nod as it's clear enough that she's some kind of TV presenter.
@@Rognik Yes. This. We understand the reason for her presence without being familiar with her work. Davina being in this episode wasn’t confusing at all. It was obvious she was a TV show host who investigated people’s genetic background. We as an audience aren’t stupid. We understand context.
@@TPH250290 i may be a lowly zoomer who older generations love to say don't know anything about anything but no one in my family had, idk why people say stuff like this, it's not like a floppy disk or a landline phone or something
A lot of people can't review it objectively if you know what I mean? I know everything is subjective but I feel like they are blinded completley one way or the other and just sensationalise everything. Objective isn't the word but it' the best I can do.
Am I the only one who misses when the show had companions who began wanting to have nothing to do with The Doctor but evolved over time to be more interested? Not that there's a problem with eager companions, but I would just like something different.
3/10 This was so poor. I really tried and wanted to like it but the whole thing was ridiculous from start to finish, including the forced 'promoting our talent' song that seems to follow soap actors around. The only thing that saved it for me is the obvious new time lady who didn't know the police box was a TARDIS at first until it moved - that I quite liked. The rest was trash. So many plot holes and unrealistic behavious from characters who just take the most bizarre situations in their stride. Be that goblins, time travel, stolen babies being eaten, instant musical numbers etc. In fact scrap my first score 2/10 - a point off for RTD's bigoted comments about sensory impaired and mobility disabled people like me as well! Oh and I'm also gay (before someone says I'm just being some right wing anti-woke troll) Merry Christmas everybody
I don't know Long Lost Families either but it's very clear what's happening anyway and I liked them using British TV in the plot. Also Davina Mccall is very well-known in the UK and I'm sure a lot of viewers did recognise her. She hosted the OG Big Brother.
I'm from latin america, i don't know davina nor that show, but i got it in an instant "oh, it's one of those tv shows where they try to find lost families and relatives" it's not a weird concept, i don't think anyone was confused about it
the conversation in which Russel confirmed that that scene was included after a screening was on the Commentary episode for the Christmas special, where Russel explains that Disney wanted the doctor to be seen sooner.
Looking at a lot of the comments, maybe I was in the minority. I actually really enjoyed this episode. Wouldn’t call it an amazing episode by any stretch, but I had a lot of fun with it, and I quite liked seeing the dynamics between the new doctor and companion. Like I said I don’t think it was amazing, but it was quite a fun light hearted adventure.
It’s a 4/10 in my book. It was bizarre, I didn’t feel anything and the entire thing felt very synthetic like an AI had written the entire thing. Like London, probably the cleanest, quietest it has ever been. Even Moffat made me tear up which I didn’t think was possible. The best thing about it were the special effects. But this new era isn’t looking good. Technically only one episode but we’ve had four of them under RTD (the second).
I wish the BBC would bring in some completely new people to be show-runners and writers, instead of relying on old talent which isn't able to even meet the heights he was famous for.
"the doctor knows Cherry's name" No disrespect Harry but sometimes you forget in your reviews that perfectly normal things can happen off screen 😅 I checked this bit and theres a small bit of downtime off screen where they enter the flat where Ruby absolutely could have said "I live with my foster mum Carla and in bed is a woman named Cherry" 🤷♂️ Also "something that could be a fabrication by the master" okay but like, the Doctor MET Tecteun who confirmed it all... I know we all wish it wasnt canon but we've just gotta accept it now.
@@hegantank6495 of course it doesn't make it impossible, but it seems a bit farfetched. Also, if it were a fake story by the Master, inevitably Chibnall would have done that storyline, but he didn't, meaning it wasn't his intention.
Chibnall had no intentions my friend, he was a bumbling fool who didn’t know how to write an episode of a sci-fi program, he’s quite good at crime programs tho
@@Kranitoko his intention doesn't matter, any way for it to be removed would im sure be universally positively recieved by fans without being too ridiculous which is what matters (cant be more ridiculous than the timeless child in the first place)
i think the 3% remaining on the mavity gloves is good actually, and intentional, as it adds more stakes and a time limit for him to stop the goblins. him having time to charge them would’ve ruined that and decreased the tension.
But then there were no issues with the gloves whatsoever. When the Doctor said there was only three percent left on them, you assume that they are bound to run out when the Doctor needs them most and he's got to improvise to get out of sticky situation. *That* would have added stakes but they worked just fine in the end.
I thought that me and my gf were the only ones who didn't like this episode for us it was 100% the singing and the fantasy elements but we're still hopeful rtd will change his mind when he said that he wants to put more fantasy in the show. Its not doctor who if theres straight up magic and goblins in the show. Its supposed to be a sci fi not a sci fi fantasy.
He was writing the end of Series 15 when he said that, soo. I don't think there's much use in waiting around for the show to become something you like, because it might maybe change. I won't be eatching the next era cos I'm really not into Russell rn, even of Ncuti and the new companion look cool.
Completely agree (though I haven't seen this episode yet). RTD really seems to love just putting things in the show without proper explanation (fantasy elements, bigeneration, doctor keeping clothes, new sonic etc.), which I'm not a fan of. Like someone else said above, I'm also not planning on watching the next era because it doesn't seem like it will become something I'll like.
As for whatever show Ruby Sunday was on, I genuinely have no idea it was supposed to be a reference to a real world thing. This video is the first time I'm being told it was apparently based on something that exists, so I wouldn't say that it really made me feel alienated. I just thought it wasn't original idea, and I guess if you live in the UK, there's a chance you might get what it's referencing, which is a nice bonus
30 fosters isn't a huge number.. There are some 'Short term" foster parents who take a kid in for a few weeks so, if you're one of those, you can easily have multiple. Several of my foster parents had seen that many..
Funny Disney felt like the Doc needed clarified on who he is but the Davina stuff was kept. I was very very lost with that part of the show (non-UK viewer)
As a UK viewer who has never heard of her or her show, I just thought it was made up for Doctor Who, so just went with it. I suppose the name dropping when he said merry Christmas to her was probably weird for you, but my mum had already explained to me who she was, so it wasn't as jarring to me.
Maybe this is just me, but I think the tears when Ruby is gone are more for him than Ruby. I think he's imagining what his life would be like if it become like Carla's in the new timeline, with all the companions he once had gone.
Thank christ for this video. I genuinely have no memory of the rest of the episode after I saw a baby on a conveyor belt and the Return of the Jedi music number. I was too busy trying to borrow a CPAP from the old lady next door before i suffocated from laughing too much.
Just to confirm, the snowman scene was 100% added after screenings, I believe it was filmed in October last year? Almost a year after the episode itself was filmed!
I think the controversy stems from who made the decision, as it has been militantly defended by Whovians that Disney has zero impact on the show and only has the rights to air it.
I thought this episode was very weak, i found the doctor a little cringe and unfunny in the lines which was a shame as i think gatwa has the ability to be good. I actually really liked gibson as Ruby, she was a fun watch on screen despite how wierd it feels theres a companion younger than me now, i just found the story uninteresting at best and downright bad at worst. I want the doctor to actually get a little depth i felt like there was nothing to him which normally i somewhat accept in first stories due to the post regeneration haze, but that wasn't a factor here. The 9th doctor was established beautifully in rose as a hero but one who had a dark streak and utterly alien, 10th doctor had his lighter, cockier flirty persona established in Christmas invasion, 11 felt pretty solid in the last 30 seconds of end of time, let alone the 11th hour (imo the standard that should be aimed for). I feel like this doctor just has nothing to him, hes kinda flirty and cheeky ig, but thats a lot like the 10th doctor without the dark side that made him flawed.
Without the gloves, The Doctor would not have been able to pull the ship down on the spire of the church! Just wish it had been little aliens in their space ship with Jabba the Hut.
As an American I assumed they just made up the finding lost parents show for the episode lol. And I’m holding out hope they eventually pull that instrumentless musical number gag (since there’ll be many more opportunities).
This episode lacked character. Despite all the new characters in it.... I learnt some nice things about Ruby, and this set up her character to be a really interesting one... I'll agree, when I first watched it, I was exicted and gave the bad parts a pass because I wanted to see where the episode would end up. But the whole church scene at the end just felt like a poor rehash of 'Father's day' without any of the interesting parts. I gave the music a pass, but it definitely needed reverb added to make it sound diegetic. In addition, I haven't watched this actor before in anything notable but I don't know what this doctor's character traits are yet. I hope the new season picks up well because if it starts feeling awful again, I'm just not going to watch it and I'll wait for your reviews instead.
I don't actually think the doctor and ruby getting along so quickly was a problem. It seemed like she was just charmed by him very quickly which happens sometimes. Its not like Rose who only meets him in the midst of chaos. Ruby met him before and liked him a little before the chaos. Also I think the good thing is that all the ongoing parts of this episode, the stuff we will see in season 1, is all great. The problems are really just the plot of this episode and the goblins.
7:47 "The Amazing claim that she had fostered over 30 Children in her life" - My own children were fostered, Reasons why dont matter - But That's not such an amazing claim... In fact, my Daughters foster Carer is only shy of that number by about 5... She has fostered 25 children, 10 became permanent members of the family... ... There is a bit of a misconception that Fostering is always long term, but it can be for a few mere months or even weeks so it is actually very feasible! Also, The Police Officer - And the Sonic detecting the ring in his pocket... I dunno! Again I woudl not trust the websites as sources, but there is a smell of Disney to that as it seems to be "Borrowing heavily" from the Doctor Who TV Movie with Paul McGann... How at the end McGann's 8th Doctor tried to give Grace and that young lad "Advice for the Future" that they woudl not yet have experienced but the Doctor had already seen... It STINKS of Hollywood Cliche! Now, I dont have a big issue with it - I actually like the idea that The Doctor can make "Tiny Adjustments" by dropping tiny hints... But it is way too easy to abuse as well and that concerns me!!! I can believe that was Disney Mandated as it STINKS of Hollywood Cliché Ideas!!! Someone else has mentioned that The Doctor was told Cherry's Name... Though I easily woudl have looked past that anyway as they were clearly borrowing ideas from teh TV Movie meaning - Yeah, The Doctor having some idea of "Future Events" when he shouldn't... Again, CLICHE... But yeah, Ruby did mention it! Easy to miss though! I am also a bit fairer than you... When I watched it, I gave it a 7 out of 10, I still give it a 7 Out of 10 as while it is WAY TOO FULL OF CLICHE... The pacing is off, and to much is far to contrived, It is enjoyable! That said, its a WEAK 7/10... Compared to other Doctor Who Episodes, including eth Chibnall Era... Yeah - I think a 5 is fair!
Honestly i think the episode is really charming, yeah the plot is nothing new and a little bit silly but everyone just comes off so likeable i think its a great introduction to the new doctor
Yes it did and it was a massive cringe fest. I don't watch Doctor Who to see them break into a big song and dance when faced with a threat. Absolute horse plop. RTD has lost his mind.
After Mrs Flood's TARDIS line, it should've just cut to some random shocked kid instead, it'd be another character for people to guess about, and less cringe
"Apologies this video took so long to make" you don't have to apologize for nothing. Your videos are always top quality content, and i'm always looking forward to seeing them. Hope you feel better!
And to think we used to complain about Peter Capaldi 🤦♂️. The show has been shite since he left and some of the best episodes have been during his era.
the funny thing about the mid-credit break is I thought it was setting up some big mystery because ive never seen East Enders...i was all hyped about "ooo what kind of mystery cosmic old lady is living besides the next companion?" now that i know what it is i think the episode is worse in my opinion
I don’t mind that the Goblins sing. But the sound should sound like it came from the eras of medieval fantasy. Not a semi-modern pop song. They should stick to the same themes
By Christmas episode standards I thought it was kinda cool To me Christmas episodes are always below the standard of regular doctor who and this was fine, really did a decent job at endearing ruby to the audience It wasn’t as cool as the 3 that preceded it but I liked it fine
I may be in the minority but I really enjoyed this episode. I believe the snowman scene being added at the request of Disney was in the in vision commentary for the episode
One criticism I disagree with is calling the Doctor Gullible for believing the Timeless Child story. This would be a fair criticism after series 12, but I think after Series 13, meeting Tecteun and literally seeing visions of her past, it's perfectly reasonable for the Doctor to believe it.
5/10 is generous, dude. I gave it a 2/10 WORST XMas special since the Dr, the widow and the wardrobe. Too much time spent on the family, no real threat, no time spent on the actual villains of the episode, I don't get "Time Lord" vibes from 15, but rather likeable weirdo and that song dance routine was UTTER cringe.
Personally I don’t see any problem with a focus on the family. Whilst it’s a Christmas special, it’s also the first introduction to the new companion and first proper look at the new doctor in action. In that regard the closest comparison is probably the Christmas Invasion. Whilst I still think that was a much better episode, even that had a very heavy focus on Rose and her family, and we’d already had a season with them. In this case it makes sense to have a focus on the family to get to know the new companion better. Also it’s a Christmas episode, Christmas stories typically focus around themes of family because it’s Christmas.
@@tonaerio If I wanted to watch a family drama: I'd watch Coronation Street. I don't mind family in New Who World, but NOTHING was happening. They were all literally sitting around in the house doing nothing. Runaway Bride - there was a wedding. Voyage of the damned - A party on a spaceship, Husbands of River Song had various timelines (if I watched it) And damn near 80-90% of the episode was spent on the family and no time was spent on the antagonist. My point is: make the show entertaining, thrilling and logical. If you enjoyed the episode: fantastic. I thought the show was trash, which is sad because the show could use some solid storytelling, for a change.
@UnderTheKoscheii Time Lord vibes: someone who has seen a lot, wise beyond their years, experienced,cultured, sees the big picture, insightful, smarter than they lead on. Do I need to keep explaining? 🤦♂️
Did you steal the idea of the Doctor having to sing acapella because the band refuses to play off of me, or is this just a case of great minds think alike? That was literally my first suggestion of how that scene might have been improved.
And I thought I didn't like it, but Harry Osborne from the amazing spiderman 2 popping up for once with Supreme pedantry, I don't want to be like that. Still don't like it though, just don't have as many fake justifications other than how it felt in my soul
Sure Gibson is 19, but at least she's not playing a _gorgeous_ 15-year-old as Finney was, so it's only Stanley Kubrick Light this time around. It is probably hoping too much that Gibson was swapped out because of awareness the optics of associating queerness with hebephilia in a show RTD said was to send messages to kids may be less than politic. At least a 19-year-old is above the UK ages of consent and drinking out, but context matters.
I wondered if that might be the reason for the abrupt decision to ditch Millie; I can imagine Disney becoming alarmed that, if people start shipping these two (which they will), it all heads a bit too Epstein-esque for a modern audience! RTD started the indulgence in Doctor/companion shipping. In classic Who the Doctor/companion relationship was paternal for the duration of the 60s (if there was any implied shipping it was between companions - e.g. Ian and Barbara, Ben and Polly, Jamie and Victoria/Jamie and Zoe); platonic friends in the 70s and mentorial in the 80s - making it romantic in the 00s was intended to appeal to the Buffy audience demographic.
Wow. You really didn’t like this episode. Your criticisms seem a bit random in some parts. Like the Doctor being on the roof of Ruby’s house. To me it seemed obvious from the beginning of the episode in the night club that he was investigating something suspicious that appeared to center around Ruby. My brain assumed he was nearby observing Ruby’s home for unusual activity. So him being on the roof at that point didn’t seem all that jarring. Her apartment is in the attic so the roof is a pretty good vantage point to watch for weird occurrences. I thought the episode was a fun bit of Christmas ridiculousness. Most of the Doctor Who Christmas specials are silly romps with fantastical stuff going on. Remember A Christmas Carol with flying fish and even a shark during Matt Smith’s era? Or the mix of Santa Clause and Alien face eating monsters during Capaldi’s era? Or the Superhero Christmas special? Doctor Who Christmas episodes are always goofy, over the top, nonsensical fun in my experience. I don’t tend to take them too seriously. Edit: Gotta admit the song in the middle of the episode did jar me a bit. In the sprit of the silliness of Doctor Who at Christmas I’m ok with it, but gotta admit it was weird. Bet Davies will do a musical episode…just hope Davies uses Buffy’s Once More With Feeling as a guide if he does go that direction. There needs to be an in universe reason for it happening and hopefully some good character development along with the singing. Just got to your discussion of Christmas. Obviously my take on Christmas specials won’t do much for my argument here. 😂😂😂😂😂
I haven’t watched this video yet, but the answer is yes, it did suck. I probably won’t carry on watching if they carry on with that terrible direction of this episode. 😢 it isn’t Mary Poppins, where it’s meant to be a musical 😂
I questioned so many decisions in the first half of this episode it caused me to stop watching. Really disappointing from RTD. I didn't even like the new Tardis animation!
rather off topic but i really really hope the "devils chord" episode 3 of the new series isn't based on the myth that a tritone was banned by the catholic church for sounding "satanic" like fr in musical circles this idea is so cringe at this point
Ok I had to stop watching this "review" because all it was in the first 5 mins was nitpicking and making them seem like big problems when they are not I think you need to redo this video when your healthy and re watch the episode 😅
I think you really like this show and won’t admit it’s obvious problems and that’s why you leave passive aggressive comments on criticism of it😂imaging being that weak minded and stupid you can’t handle someone pointing out your show sucks in it’s 400th season😂😂😂
will a agree the story was weak. not issue with the doctor are ruby but the thing with the goblins maid me think of the hobbit i mean they sang and there was even a fat goblin king just like the hobbit. Also i agree the new screw driver looks crap bring back old version i say
I think it might be the first time that I don't agree with your opinion. I kind of feel like you are making small things big. I just think it was fun, with good actors, nice cinematography. It is nice
I like how Millie Gibson's performance went down so well, she's not coming back for a second season with no explanation. So, do we all think that the big twist is that its Ruby who drops herself off at the church?
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To be fair, fostering 30 children isn’t out of the question. Some children are only fostered for a few days to a week. If a foster parent is willing to take on emergency placements (which this character does as they are taking in a baby on Christmas Eve) then I think 30 children is reasonable
I wish the Goblins kidnapping the babies and eating them stuff was done a lot more seriously. Like, genuinely shocking with disgust and horror on the character's faces.
Surprisingly, the concept of the Goblins seems like something from the 2nd or 4th Doctor era, and the amount of seriousness played by the plot and actors would have been higher than the actual episode's execution.
Its a Christmas Special
@@Joseph-uo3mx Yeah, but a Christmas special should have lighthearted villains, not dark concept villains that are played off with comedy.
@LPTV84 heck yeah.
It's been a weird few years for Doctor Who with the tone being mishashed we get stuff that is dark and good and would make for a standout episode but it is forced alongside a goofier tone that just undermines any seriousness and stake in the story.
the anecdote of that snowman scene was real, however wrongly cited in that article, it was mentioned by RTD in the in-vision commentary NOT unleashed.
How have you not heard of Davina McCall? Presenter of Big Brother for years, Masked Singer, various BBC shows throughout the years, also Davina droid in Bad Wolf from Series 1 was not only based on Davina but voiced by her too
As for people outside of the UK, we tend to just shrug when a character like this shows up. We might not get that Davina actually hosts a show of orphans meeting their family, but we just nod as it's clear enough that she's some kind of TV presenter.
@@Rognik Yes. This. We understand the reason for her presence without being familiar with her work. Davina being in this episode wasn’t confusing at all. It was obvious she was a TV show host who investigated people’s genetic background. We as an audience aren’t stupid. We understand context.
@@Rognik Exactly! It was not a "pause and get your partner to explain" kind of scene lmao
Your naming shows that very obviously only a certain type of person (adult theater kid/tumblr adult) so yeah makes sense for him not have heard of her
@@TPH250290 i may be a lowly zoomer who older generations love to say don't know anything about anything but no one in my family had, idk why people say stuff like this, it's not like a floppy disk or a landline phone or something
The first accurate review I've seen. The early reviews were either blindly giving 10/10 or saying everything sucked.
A lot of people can't review it objectively if you know what I mean? I know everything is subjective but I feel like they are blinded completley one way or the other and just sensationalise everything. Objective isn't the word but it' the best I can do.
Am I the only one who misses when the show had companions who began wanting to have nothing to do with The Doctor but evolved over time to be more interested?
Not that there's a problem with eager companions, but I would just like something different.
3/10
This was so poor. I really tried and wanted to like it but the whole thing was ridiculous from start to finish, including the forced 'promoting our talent' song that seems to follow soap actors around.
The only thing that saved it for me is the obvious new time lady who didn't know the police box was a TARDIS at first until it moved - that I quite liked. The rest was trash. So many plot holes and unrealistic behavious from characters who just take the most bizarre situations in their stride. Be that goblins, time travel, stolen babies being eaten, instant musical numbers etc.
In fact scrap my first score 2/10 - a point off for RTD's bigoted comments about sensory impaired and mobility disabled people like me as well! Oh and I'm also gay (before someone says I'm just being some right wing anti-woke troll)
Merry Christmas everybody
I don't know Long Lost Families either but it's very clear what's happening anyway and I liked them using British TV in the plot. Also Davina Mccall is very well-known in the UK and I'm sure a lot of viewers did recognise her. She hosted the OG Big Brother.
She's also a Doctor who fan herself, with strong memories of Jon Pertwee, my second favourite Doctor.
how can anyone in Britain not know who Davina is?!
@@c.t.martin3915I’m a TV hater and I know Davina but some people don’t even acknowledge TV
Maybe in America but not Australia
I'm from latin america, i don't know davina nor that show, but i got it in an instant "oh, it's one of those tv shows where they try to find lost families and relatives" it's not a weird concept, i don't think anyone was confused about it
the conversation in which Russel confirmed that that scene was included after a screening was on the Commentary episode for the Christmas special, where Russel explains that Disney wanted the doctor to be seen sooner.
But I have been militantly shut down in all comments sections by Whovians that Disney have no say whatso ever in Doctor Who.......
@@temparalflux914Who asked........?
@@Rocksteady72a Nobody, why?
Looking at a lot of the comments, maybe I was in the minority. I actually really enjoyed this episode. Wouldn’t call it an amazing episode by any stretch, but I had a lot of fun with it, and I quite liked seeing the dynamics between the new doctor and companion. Like I said I don’t think it was amazing, but it was quite a fun light hearted adventure.
Same!
It’s a 4/10 in my book.
It was bizarre, I didn’t feel anything and the entire thing felt very synthetic like an AI had written the entire thing. Like London, probably the cleanest, quietest it has ever been. Even Moffat made me tear up which I didn’t think was possible.
The best thing about it were the special effects. But this new era isn’t looking good. Technically only one episode but we’ve had four of them under RTD (the second).
No, it was a negative infinity, this episode shouldn't exist, and neither should any other episode after Capaldi
I wish the BBC would bring in some completely new people to be show-runners and writers, instead of relying on old talent which isn't able to even meet the heights he was famous for.
"the doctor knows Cherry's name"
No disrespect Harry but sometimes you forget in your reviews that perfectly normal things can happen off screen 😅 I checked this bit and theres a small bit of downtime off screen where they enter the flat where Ruby absolutely could have said "I live with my foster mum Carla and in bed is a woman named Cherry" 🤷♂️
Also "something that could be a fabrication by the master" okay but like, the Doctor MET Tecteun who confirmed it all... I know we all wish it wasnt canon but we've just gotta accept it now.
could be a fake person or something along those lines, that doesn't make it impossible
@@hegantank6495 of course it doesn't make it impossible, but it seems a bit farfetched. Also, if it were a fake story by the Master, inevitably Chibnall would have done that storyline, but he didn't, meaning it wasn't his intention.
@@Kranitokothe fact is it's stupid and should be decanonised
Chibnall had no intentions my friend, he was a bumbling fool who didn’t know how to write an episode of a sci-fi program, he’s quite good at crime programs tho
@@Kranitoko his intention doesn't matter, any way for it to be removed would im sure be universally positively recieved by fans without being too ridiculous which is what matters (cant be more ridiculous than the timeless child in the first place)
i think the 3% remaining on the mavity gloves is good actually, and intentional, as it adds more stakes and a time limit for him to stop the goblins. him having time to charge them would’ve ruined that and decreased the tension.
But then there were no issues with the gloves whatsoever. When the Doctor said there was only three percent left on them, you assume that they are bound to run out when the Doctor needs them most and he's got to improvise to get out of sticky situation. *That* would have added stakes but they worked just fine in the end.
I thought that me and my gf were the only ones who didn't like this episode for us it was 100% the singing and the fantasy elements but we're still hopeful rtd will change his mind when he said that he wants to put more fantasy in the show. Its not doctor who if theres straight up magic and goblins in the show. Its supposed to be a sci fi not a sci fi fantasy.
Also I'm so done with the mavity thing it was maybe funny for the one episode, but it gets really dumb after a few episodes.
He was writing the end of Series 15 when he said that, soo.
I don't think there's much use in waiting around for the show to become something you like, because it might maybe change. I won't be eatching the next era cos I'm really not into Russell rn, even of Ncuti and the new companion look cool.
Completely agree (though I haven't seen this episode yet). RTD really seems to love just putting things in the show without proper explanation (fantasy elements, bigeneration, doctor keeping clothes, new sonic etc.), which I'm not a fan of. Like someone else said above, I'm also not planning on watching the next era because it doesn't seem like it will become something I'll like.
sorry to hear you've been sick ive been wondering why it took so long but glad that you're back!
They say if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all...
Therefore I won't review the recent Christmas Special 1/10! 😮
As for whatever show Ruby Sunday was on, I genuinely have no idea it was supposed to be a reference to a real world thing. This video is the first time I'm being told it was apparently based on something that exists, so I wouldn't say that it really made me feel alienated. I just thought it wasn't original idea, and I guess if you live in the UK, there's a chance you might get what it's referencing, which is a nice bonus
I sincerely hope the 'mavity' thing does not continue. It's so cringe
It isnt
@edwardvincentlaybournwalle4991 how tf u missed the point
30 fosters isn't a huge number.. There are some 'Short term" foster parents who take a kid in for a few weeks so, if you're one of those, you can easily have multiple. Several of my foster parents had seen that many..
I thought it was ok at best. Definitely it didn’t hold a candle to Rose, and I feel several small changes would’ve improved the episode a lot.
I have never heard of that ITV show you mentioned in the beginning of the video but I still understood what was going on.
Funny Disney felt like the Doc needed clarified on who he is but the Davina stuff was kept. I was very very lost with that part of the show (non-UK viewer)
As a UK viewer who has never heard of her or her show, I just thought it was made up for Doctor Who, so just went with it. I suppose the name dropping when he said merry Christmas to her was probably weird for you, but my mum had already explained to me who she was, so it wasn't as jarring to me.
How?? I've never heard of her but I still understand what was going on
@@phlippywell considering they explictly say what was going on i'd hope so
@@dankerbell exactly
Maybe this is just me, but I think the tears when Ruby is gone are more for him than Ruby. I think he's imagining what his life would be like if it become like Carla's in the new timeline, with all the companions he once had gone.
also, calling it now: that woman who dropped Ruby off isn't her mother. It is older Ruby.
Thank christ for this video. I genuinely have no memory of the rest of the episode after I saw a baby on a conveyor belt and the Return of the Jedi music number. I was too busy trying to borrow a CPAP from the old lady next door before i suffocated from laughing too much.
~16:10 I'm happy I can recognize Super Mario 64 music now, lol
I’m an American who had no ideas who davina McCall was or the show but I’m not stupid I know of the concept of the show. There’s lots of them
Ngl I thought this was a great episode, Ncuti is great, was a lot of fun
Just to confirm, the snowman scene was 100% added after screenings, I believe it was filmed in October last year? Almost a year after the episode itself was filmed!
I think the controversy stems from who made the decision, as it has been militantly defended by Whovians that Disney has zero impact on the show and only has the rights to air it.
The snowman scene was explained in the in vision commentary.
I thought this episode was very weak, i found the doctor a little cringe and unfunny in the lines which was a shame as i think gatwa has the ability to be good. I actually really liked gibson as Ruby, she was a fun watch on screen despite how wierd it feels theres a companion younger than me now, i just found the story uninteresting at best and downright bad at worst. I want the doctor to actually get a little depth i felt like there was nothing to him which normally i somewhat accept in first stories due to the post regeneration haze, but that wasn't a factor here.
The 9th doctor was established beautifully in rose as a hero but one who had a dark streak and utterly alien, 10th doctor had his lighter, cockier flirty persona established in Christmas invasion, 11 felt pretty solid in the last 30 seconds of end of time, let alone the 11th hour (imo the standard that should be aimed for). I feel like this doctor just has nothing to him, hes kinda flirty and cheeky ig, but thats a lot like the 10th doctor without the dark side that made him flawed.
I’m so glad the goblin king was prosthetic and not cheap CGI
harry remember me? is juan
I'm so glad Gareth Roberts got a cameo on this story, even if he got Hot Fuzz'd
So that bloody transphobe got to be in a doctor who story? Who the hell did he cameo as?
@@Freezer28528 it's a joke about him playing the Goblin King
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I’m in five guys with my chips and drinky, ready to watch
I watched this while tripping on lsd - fucking loved it highly recommend
"Then McCall's up Ruby" NO. Bad Harry. Bad.
Russel said about the snowman scene that in the commentary of the episode im pretty sure
Mrs Flood is going to be a much more important character and so i think her scenes will make more sense in retrospect.
Without the gloves, The Doctor would not have been able to pull the ship down on the spire of the church! Just wish it had been little aliens in their space ship with Jabba the Hut.
As an American I assumed they just made up the finding lost parents show for the episode lol. And I’m holding out hope they eventually pull that instrumentless musical number gag (since there’ll be many more opportunities).
I think Mrs. Flood could be a reimaging of the Doctors mother from the books Mrs. Penalope Gate = Floodgate
This episode lacked character. Despite all the new characters in it.... I learnt some nice things about Ruby, and this set up her character to be a really interesting one... I'll agree, when I first watched it, I was exicted and gave the bad parts a pass because I wanted to see where the episode would end up. But the whole church scene at the end just felt like a poor rehash of 'Father's day' without any of the interesting parts. I gave the music a pass, but it definitely needed reverb added to make it sound diegetic. In addition, I haven't watched this actor before in anything notable but I don't know what this doctor's character traits are yet.
I hope the new season picks up well because if it starts feeling awful again, I'm just not going to watch it and I'll wait for your reviews instead.
i thought the first interaction between The Doctor and Cherry includes her introducing herself?
I don't actually think the doctor and ruby getting along so quickly was a problem. It seemed like she was just charmed by him very quickly which happens sometimes. Its not like Rose who only meets him in the midst of chaos. Ruby met him before and liked him a little before the chaos.
Also I think the good thing is that all the ongoing parts of this episode, the stuff we will see in season 1, is all great. The problems are really just the plot of this episode and the goblins.
7:47 "The Amazing claim that she had fostered over 30 Children in her life" - My own children were fostered, Reasons why dont matter - But That's not such an amazing claim... In fact, my Daughters foster Carer is only shy of that number by about 5... She has fostered 25 children, 10 became permanent members of the family...
... There is a bit of a misconception that Fostering is always long term, but it can be for a few mere months or even weeks so it is actually very feasible!
Also, The Police Officer - And the Sonic detecting the ring in his pocket... I dunno! Again I woudl not trust the websites as sources, but there is a smell of Disney to that as it seems to be "Borrowing heavily" from the Doctor Who TV Movie with Paul McGann... How at the end McGann's 8th Doctor tried to give Grace and that young lad "Advice for the Future" that they woudl not yet have experienced but the Doctor had already seen... It STINKS of Hollywood Cliche!
Now, I dont have a big issue with it - I actually like the idea that The Doctor can make "Tiny Adjustments" by dropping tiny hints... But it is way too easy to abuse as well and that concerns me!!!
I can believe that was Disney Mandated as it STINKS of Hollywood Cliché Ideas!!!
Someone else has mentioned that The Doctor was told Cherry's Name... Though I easily woudl have looked past that anyway as they were clearly borrowing ideas from teh TV Movie meaning - Yeah, The Doctor having some idea of "Future Events" when he shouldn't... Again, CLICHE... But yeah, Ruby did mention it! Easy to miss though!
I am also a bit fairer than you... When I watched it, I gave it a 7 out of 10, I still give it a 7 Out of 10 as while it is WAY TOO FULL OF CLICHE... The pacing is off, and to much is far to contrived, It is enjoyable!
That said, its a WEAK 7/10... Compared to other Doctor Who Episodes, including eth Chibnall Era... Yeah - I think a 5 is fair!
Honestly i think the episode is really charming, yeah the plot is nothing new and a little bit silly but everyone just comes off so likeable i think its a great introduction to the new doctor
Yes it did and it was a massive cringe fest. I don't watch Doctor Who to see them break into a big song and dance when faced with a threat. Absolute horse plop. RTD has lost his mind.
He got brainwashed by Chris Chibnall. I didn't know that Doctor Who showrunners nowadays need to try and RUIN the show
You know that have made the characters sing random before and doctor who has always been cringe that’s just a charm to it
@@mrdead2817 That doesn't make sense, retype that comment
@@mattthesilent777RED well then I guess you didn’t read it properly or you was just too lazy to even read a comment
@@mrdead2817 No, you just don't know grammar
After Mrs Flood's TARDIS line,
it should've just cut to some random shocked kid instead,
it'd be another character for people to guess about, and less cringe
"Apologies this video took so long to make" you don't have to apologize for nothing. Your videos are always top quality content, and i'm always looking forward to seeing them. Hope you feel better!
And to think we used to complain about Peter Capaldi 🤦♂️. The show has been shite since he left and some of the best episodes have been during his era.
the funny thing about the mid-credit break is I thought it was setting up some big mystery because ive never seen East Enders...i was all hyped about "ooo what kind of mystery cosmic old lady is living besides the next companion?"
now that i know what it is i think the episode is worse in my opinion
I don’t think there’s meant to be any romantic connection with ruby and the doctor aswell, just rushed bad writing
I wish the goblins sounded more goblin-y
I don’t mind that the Goblins sing. But the sound should sound like it came from the eras of medieval fantasy. Not a semi-modern pop song. They should stick to the same themes
By Christmas episode standards I thought it was kinda cool
To me Christmas episodes are always below the standard of regular doctor who and this was fine, really did a decent job at endearing ruby to the audience
It wasn’t as cool as the 3 that preceded it but I liked it fine
Yeah, I don't like how they're playing down Ncuti's age. He's not a teenager, he's 30. Let him be 30, it's weird.
I personally enjoyed it, It's a great first episode and It's 100% a christmas special.
I may be in the minority but I really enjoyed this episode. I believe the snowman scene being added at the request of Disney was in the in vision commentary for the episode
One criticism I disagree with is calling the Doctor Gullible for believing the Timeless Child story. This would be a fair criticism after series 12, but I think after Series 13, meeting Tecteun and literally seeing visions of her past, it's perfectly reasonable for the Doctor to believe it.
5/10 is generous, dude. I gave it a 2/10 WORST XMas special since the Dr, the widow and the wardrobe. Too much time spent on the family, no real threat, no time spent on the actual villains of the episode, I don't get "Time Lord" vibes from 15, but rather likeable weirdo and that song dance routine was UTTER cringe.
Personally I don’t see any problem with a focus on the family. Whilst it’s a Christmas special, it’s also the first introduction to the new companion and first proper look at the new doctor in action. In that regard the closest comparison is probably the Christmas Invasion. Whilst I still think that was a much better episode, even that had a very heavy focus on Rose and her family, and we’d already had a season with them. In this case it makes sense to have a focus on the family to get to know the new companion better.
Also it’s a Christmas episode, Christmas stories typically focus around themes of family because it’s Christmas.
@@tonaerio If I wanted to watch a family drama: I'd watch Coronation Street.
I don't mind family in New Who World, but NOTHING was happening. They were all literally sitting around in the house doing nothing. Runaway Bride - there was a wedding. Voyage of the damned - A party on a spaceship, Husbands of River Song had various timelines (if I watched it) And damn near 80-90% of the episode was spent on the family and no time was spent on the antagonist.
My point is: make the show entertaining, thrilling and logical. If you enjoyed the episode: fantastic. I thought the show was trash, which is sad because the show could use some solid storytelling, for a change.
@UnderTheKoscheii Time Lord vibes: someone who has seen a lot, wise beyond their years, experienced,cultured, sees the big picture, insightful, smarter than they lead on.
Do I need to keep explaining? 🤦♂️
@UnderTheKoscheii Grasping at what? Its called an opinion. I don't need you to agree with me.
Do you need me to explain that to you, as well?
I think Ncuti is miscast. 🤷
no offence but idk who would be alienated by a tv show that finds people’s long lost family, aren’t there a bunch of them??😂
I’m from the UK and I had no idea who she was or about the show, but I just understood it from context straight away
Did you steal the idea of the Doctor having to sing acapella because the band refuses to play off of me, or is this just a case of great minds think alike? That was literally my first suggestion of how that scene might have been improved.
And I thought I didn't like it, but Harry Osborne from the amazing spiderman 2 popping up for once with Supreme pedantry, I don't want to be like that. Still don't like it though, just don't have as many fake justifications other than how it felt in my soul
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Sure Gibson is 19, but at least she's not playing a _gorgeous_ 15-year-old as Finney was, so it's only Stanley Kubrick Light this time around. It is probably hoping too much that Gibson was swapped out because of awareness the optics of associating queerness with hebephilia in a show RTD said was to send messages to kids may be less than politic. At least a 19-year-old is above the UK ages of consent and drinking out, but context matters.
I wondered if that might be the reason for the abrupt decision to ditch Millie; I can imagine Disney becoming alarmed that, if people start shipping these two (which they will), it all heads a bit too Epstein-esque for a modern audience!
RTD started the indulgence in Doctor/companion shipping. In classic Who the Doctor/companion relationship was paternal for the duration of the 60s (if there was any implied shipping it was between companions - e.g. Ian and Barbara, Ben and Polly, Jamie and Victoria/Jamie and Zoe); platonic friends in the 70s and mentorial in the 80s - making it romantic in the 00s was intended to appeal to the Buffy audience demographic.
Regulated rent still exists for long-established tenants in London. They're on the Fair Rent register.
I think sometimes you need to remember the purpose of this show is entertainment
You could use that argument for any TV show or movie though.
Wow. You really didn’t like this episode. Your criticisms seem a bit random in some parts. Like the Doctor being on the roof of Ruby’s house. To me it seemed obvious from the beginning of the episode in the night club that he was investigating something suspicious that appeared to center around Ruby. My brain assumed he was nearby observing Ruby’s home for unusual activity. So him being on the roof at that point didn’t seem all that jarring. Her apartment is in the attic so the roof is a pretty good vantage point to watch for weird occurrences.
I thought the episode was a fun bit of Christmas ridiculousness. Most of the Doctor Who Christmas specials are silly romps with fantastical stuff going on. Remember A Christmas Carol with flying fish and even a shark during Matt Smith’s era? Or the mix of Santa Clause and Alien face eating monsters during Capaldi’s era? Or the Superhero Christmas special? Doctor Who Christmas episodes are always goofy, over the top, nonsensical fun in my experience. I don’t tend to take them too seriously.
Edit: Gotta admit the song in the middle of the episode did jar me a bit. In the sprit of the silliness of Doctor Who at Christmas I’m ok with it, but gotta admit it was weird. Bet Davies will do a musical episode…just hope Davies uses Buffy’s Once More With Feeling as a guide if he does go that direction. There needs to be an in universe reason for it happening and hopefully some good character development along with the singing.
Just got to your discussion of Christmas. Obviously my take on Christmas specials won’t do much for my argument here. 😂😂😂😂😂
I haven’t watched this video yet, but the answer is yes, it did suck. I probably won’t carry on watching if they carry on with that terrible direction of this episode. 😢 it isn’t Mary Poppins, where it’s meant to be a musical 😂
I questioned so many decisions in the first half of this episode it caused me to stop watching. Really disappointing from RTD. I didn't even like the new Tardis animation!
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rather off topic but i really really hope the "devils chord" episode 3 of the new series isn't based on the myth that a tritone was banned by the catholic church for sounding "satanic" like fr in musical circles this idea is so cringe at this point
If you look up "suck" in the dictionary, there's a picture of this Doctor there.
I've been sitting here waiting for this. I nearly ran out of turkey. (Make your own punchline.)
It’s just a different show using the same main character, sad but gna try keep an open mind
very generous, its a 2 from me, thought the family scenes were great but spare me the goblins and awful songs!
Ok I had to stop watching this "review" because all it was in the first 5 mins was nitpicking and making them seem like big problems when they are not I think you need to redo this video when your healthy and re watch the episode 😅
I thought he was very kind to this drivel
Russell, is that you?
I'm out tòo
RTD's burner
I think you really like this show and won’t admit it’s obvious problems and that’s why you leave passive aggressive comments on criticism of it😂imaging being that weak minded and stupid you can’t handle someone pointing out your show sucks in it’s 400th season😂😂😂
I dig Harry with his emo / goth hair
I think it would have been cool if the goblins got to be revealed to be an evolved form of the Pting
the song bothers me so much
Chibnall's era lasted 6 years?
will a agree the story was weak. not issue with the doctor are ruby but the thing with the goblins maid me think of the hobbit i mean they sang and there was even a fat goblin king just like the hobbit. Also i agree the new screw driver looks crap bring back old version i say
I liked Ruby. That's about it. I'm still cringing over the 15th Doctor walking around in his underwear at the end of the Giggle.
It was hot
Of course, it was shite!
I draw the line at Musicals
It was not good. I have no faith in doctor who anymore.
I think it might be the first time that I don't agree with your opinion. I kind of feel like you are making small things big. I just think it was fun, with good actors, nice cinematography. It is nice
2.5/10 at best
I absolutely love this episode so glad you do too
I like how Millie Gibson's performance went down so well, she's not coming back for a second season with no explanation.
So, do we all think that the big twist is that its Ruby who drops herself off at the church?
Yo
Personally I loved it
I like The Church on Ruby Road
CHANGE THE RANKING TO NEGATIVE INFINITY!
Couldn't disagree with you more. Sorry 😅