DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who [REVOLUTION OF THE DALEKS REVIEW]
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- After saying that he won't be watching the new Doctor Who episode, Harry watches the newest Doctor Who episode: Revolution of the Daleks
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I loved that the fake TARDIS house was just sitting on that street corner for ten months, and nobody in the neighbourhood thought to report it to the COUNCIL!!!
Isn't it that TARDIS' are difficult to notice?
The Doctor explained in The Sound of Drums that it's like a perception filter, you only notice it if you want to. Sure, it's a HUGE house, but maybe to many residents, they just couldn't see it and just saw a house they thought was already part of the neighborhood?
@@Kranitoko that's what I'm thinking.. Nobody would notice it wasnt supossed to be there, until someone point it out..
Haha
COUNCIL AXE FROM A COUNCIL VAN
ravio and the other survives from the invaded planet by the cybermens lived in that tardis....
rest in peace lmfao
The reason she forgot it was the silence is because you can't remember them once you've seen them, tbh I thought it was the funniest line Chibnall has written
@@DanTheMan2150AD because of the entire silence ark. 11 worked out the silence were there without seeing them. You just forget the encounter.
@@DanTheMan2150AD Because the show was badly written even before Chibs took over, though it's certainly worse now than it was then.
@@DanTheMan2150AD bruh its a one liner explaining the premise of the silence 😂
@@DanTheMan2150AD She did work out it was there. "I forgot you were here" implies that she remembers knowing it was there but forgot afterwards.
They established that repeated encounters had a seriously detrimental effect on your mental state though.
Thanks for the reminder about the silence guys, it has been a LONG time since I watched those episodes... Maybe the silence have made me forget about them too...
The who?
The silence can make me forget about this episode please
SPOOKY
Repeated encounters with them caused you to go mad though. The caretaker in the orphanage in Day of the Moon was proof of that.
Wait, the Silence were in this episode?
Hey Chris, here's a good idea. Instead of Jack flat out saying he's immortal, how about when the mutants attack him they "kill" him, then Yaz is left horrified, but then... he comes back to life!!! That's how you write an effective scene, SHOW DON'T TELL!!! I swear, this stupid era is filled with characters just saying shit and not doing anything.
He doesn't even die in the episode!
the exposition dumps are really getting crazy. any more and we could listen to the episodes on audible...
@@RealCryptoTest That was the most disappointing part of the episode! Not even once!
also when he just tells the doctor he spent like 18 years getting in the cell next to her and that's it.
I think this is the first episode since bad wolf where Jack doesn’t die on screen and he really should have at least once (not counting fugitive or tenants goodbye tour as they’re more cameos)
"I truly hope that the Master reappears in the next series and says "your origin story? I made that up just to fuck with you." I felt that in my soul.
My headcanon is that the Doctor finds Rassilon (not on Gallifrey at the time) and he explains that he edited the redacted parts of the matrix so that The Doctor was the timeless child rather than the master, because if the Master knew he was immortal it would almost certainly end the universe.
Not gonna happen. They recapped the Timeless Children in this episode for a reason - it's the setup for the Series 13 main arc.
@@irrevenant8724 "No. No god please. Noooooo"
OR when russell t davies takes over series 14 starts with Peter Capaldi waking up in his tardis and being like "sheesh that was an awful dream i was a fucking woman"
@@splatinummcoming back after a year and I can confirm that it wasn’t Peter who woke up it was David Tennant
Whenever the Doctor refers to her companions as her fam, I get some serious "How Do You Do, Fellow Kids?" vibes out of that and I have no idea if that's intentional or not.
I think it’s meant to give those vibes but in an endearing way, but honestly it just comes off as cringey
@@krustykrabmeat6881 It's incredibly cringe. Like some executive told them to toss it in because that's what the kids are saying these days.
Definitely intentional. Her Doctor is socially awkward.
Ummmm hasn't the doctor been doing the how do you do fellow kids vibe since Eccleston??? I mean Smith and Capaldi definitely did it
@@pyromaniac2104 Smith’s doctor had more charm about it though, I think that’s just down to his character being better written. Same goes for Capaldi although he was still a bit hit and Miss for that kind of thing.
she even says to her Tardis "Nice nap? Thanks for waiting". So in the beginning she fully acknowledges the sentient and self aware nature of her Tardis, but by the end she completely disregards and forces another Tardis to kill its self. Not just kill its self but mutilate its self, fold all of its metaphysical limbs in on itself like someone chucked it into a trash compacter and then hurl it self into a infinite void were it and the Daleks will "break apart" into basically atomized dust on the Temporal winds.
yet weve seen within the matt smith era if a tarids blows up it creates cracks in the universe and ruins reality so yeah da fuq
@@captain_dsz6049 thats if it blows up while in the time vortex
@@captain_dsz6049 That's probably one reason why she had it collapse in on itself rather than exploding. Although like Chris pointed out, the particular circumstances of the explosion matter too.
I felt nothing toward Ryan and Graham leaving, NOTHING, Rose leaving, Martha leaving, Donna leaving, Amy and Rory leaving all made me cry or at least upset, but this just made me feel glad that they were gone!
same, feel ya there
They had no character arc or development. It’s normal you felt nothing
Graham was the only one I liked, and now we're stuck with Yaz. Who is, I think, my least favourite character in Dr Who. Sigh
@@auberginemanproductions1608 Yeah. I'm hoping that with the other two gone, they'll take the time to flesh out Yaz now. It wouldn't be the first time the show managed to turn around an unlikeable character.
The disrespect on Clara and Bill 🥴
I absolutely lost it when Ryan said ”the mighty pting”
The line was so unbelievably bad 😂
Because he was joking (or at least I hope he was) it was kinda funny
He was being sarcastic
@@DoctorWhoHugh I don't think he was being sarcastic. He delivered the line the same way he delivers all his lines: in a flat monotone mumble. If he wanted to sound sarcastic, he would have to change his voice up a little bit.
@@davidbray5982 changing his tone to sound sarcastic in a scene like that is hard, if he did he would sound like he was exaggerating. Speaking of which, he does not speak in a monotone voice, that is an exaggeration. It seems like you are jumping on the “let’s all shit on Tosins acting” bandwagon. Then again, I saw your comment about the reapers cgi (from a episode produced in 2005) so it seems like you just are a cynic
That whole bike segment was unbelievably bad. I'm just hoping that "Me Mates" or "Fam" doesn't carry over to Series 13 every 5 minutes. It was downright irritating.
D...did you just ask why she didn’t remember the silence?
The joke went over his head lmao. Honestly that’s some really funny fan service. Not too obvious
😂 this guy is a fucking melt. He talks total crap
@Charlie Douglas:
He explained that he hasn't watched those episodes in a long time, and those aliens haven't been utilised (aside from cameos) since their debut in series 6, which was 10 years ago. Besides, everything else he said about this episode is 100% accurate.
@@Rocket1377 good point
@@Rocket1377 LOOL “The Doctor Dances” was 15 years ago and I still remember that that Rose wore a Union Jack shirt and The Doctor destroyed the squareness gun factory It’s not hard to remember that you can’t remember The Silence.
They waited 10 months?
Rose’s mum and Mickey waited a year for rose
Amy waited 12 years then 2 more, and then another years 30 which got erased, and then another 2 years.
Jack waited a few centuries after jumping into the wrong time to wait for the doctor.
Rory waited 2000 years outside a box for the girl he loved.
Im sorry but 10 months isn’t much to compare
Doctor Who has become that abusive partner that won't ever change for the good but keeps luring you back with memories of the good times you had......and even though you hate what they have become....you can't bring yourself to just end it
I miss you Anna
Fortunately I've left now, bit I was hating what I was becoming aswell
I feel this. Also this is exactly how I explain why I still play destiny 😂
I miss tom baker, I also miss missey. That was an incarnation of the master I really wish they had more time to explore. Oh well like all things born, they eventually die. The BBC did it's job and killed it. Just like a dead horse, the BBC is still making sure we all know the horse is dead. How many more seasons to prove that the horse is dead?? We shall see.
Bro fax. So glad I stopped watching halfway through Season 11.
Did they even say where or what the prison was?
Also, the tentacle creatures being bred in Japan... unintentional joke?
LMAO
The fictional company in Spyfall was called Vore
I think chibnall might be a bit of a deviant
I never thought of it like that! 😂
We have no idea
@@tameston5467 Oh....oh god, I hate that I’m laughing at this as much as I am lol
For those of you that are watching the review without watching the episode, no it isn’t super dark. It’s an issue with Sony Vegas trying to balance out the contrast between the screenshots and the clips I use. I’m in the process of trying to sort it before my next upload, if anybody has any suggestions or fixes please let me know!
Hi
I have a suggestion, use premiere pro
Just a question? I thought you weren’t reviewing any more of the Jodi Shitaker episodes
@@mrmeme9991 reviewing dr who gets views 🤷♂️
Hey Harry, I’ve been having this issue myself. I think it may help if you go into the project preview properties and change the view transform settings to default (I think that’s what it is..)
When Ryan said the mighty Pting I thought it was the funniest thing I'd ever heard in my life XD
Yeh, super cringey.
I was rolling on the floor with laugher
Oh yeah i loved the line so much i nearly fucking offed myself with laughter ahahah
No wonder Tosin left!
@@OfficialMorty which time in this video did he say that
I actually laughed out loud when Ryan said “and how do you feel about that” like jeez writer come up with a better way of getting the doctor to express feelings than that
I knew it was coming and still laughed. No normal people talk like a psychologist.
Especially because the Doctor never gives a straight answer to personal questions. We know this, Ryan knows this.
That scene could have been done a lot better.
Next line should have been 'tell me about your mother', 'Overall, how would you describe your mood?' and then 'What would it take to make you feel more content, happier and more satisfied? '. The line about Jack being insecure and needing approval reeked of some shitty meta commentary aswell. Oof, I'm glad I stopped watching a long time ago just seeing these reviews to make sure I am not missing anything worth seeing.
Eh, it's the Doctor. Ryan knows full well that unless you ask her that question point blank, she'll just sidestep it.
To be fair, that didn't upset me. I think Ryan just went straight to the point because Jodies Doctor always evade situations like this if she can. So if you ask her directly she can't evade it and Ryan was "forcing" her to answer and open herself.
Remember Turn Left where everything went to shit without the doctor, all the major earth threatening events had to be dealt with by companions such as Jack and Sarah Jane? Imagine this explored one of those adventures. The A plot would be Captain Jack and the companions trying to take down the dalek coup, the B plot would be a prison escape, and the plots would merge at the finale where Jack and the companions are almost about to sacrifice themselves and then the doctor manages to help them escape with the tardis. Maybe this is just shit fanfic on my part, but it seems better than what we got.
No, no, almost everyone thought that would happen, that's also what they insinuated in the trailer. Which is a shame, because the prison scenes were actually quite fun (for example I loved the bit of her quoting Harry Potter or talking to the cameras, in those few minutes she really felt like the Doctor to me) and wouldn't have minded it if she was there longer - or if her being locked up had any significance whatsoever.
@@rkah6187 icl i didnt like the prison parts, i wouldve liked a yard seen where the doctor is surrounded by enemies, that mightbe been interesting
@@The-ch1rz Yeah, that would've been pretty cool
This actually reminds me of something they did all the way back in The Daleks’ Master Plan in the First Doctor era. The entire first episode followed a space ranger tracking a threat which is revealed to be the Daleks at the end of the episode where they kill him, but not before the audience gets a glimpse at the return of these villains. Wish they played around with the formula more like that these days.
The actor that plays Ryan always delivers his lines as if he's trying to keep his voice down while standing in a freezer
Why didn't they use Jack's ability to never die?
Preach I was excited to see the current companions to react to that
I love how in the scene where he explains how he can't die they also sum up everything wrong with the show: their desire to tell, not show. Every other time Jack was introduced to a companion it showed him dying and coming back, we saw it in Utopia, Sound of Drums, Journeys End yet here it's just the writers saying "jack comes back when he dies lol, but we don't have the budget to show that"
@@oldoldmeme Definitely. Every time the Doctor explains her plan instead of just showing it as an example of the philosophy too.
The only reason for Jack's ability not being showcased is lack of writing talent. It's THE easiest super power to showcase. No CGI, literally just have him fall over, pretend to be dead, then get up a few seconds later...
Literally nothing happened with Jack there was no reason for him to be there
Or the Doctor's newly established ability to never die.
It got too much for me when the Doctor said "the creatures inside the Daleks" when the creatures inside ARE the Daleks! How does the Doctor, who met them time and time again, who has been to Skaro multiple times and knows their origin story as a mutated race not know this??
I was soo pissed I had to pause the whole thing for a few minutes to calm down. I want to smack everyone who read that in the script and gave it the green light.
The companions know the shell as a Dalek, and so the Doctor explains it to them as if it was something inside a Dalek. When introducing a new concept to someone you dumb it down, start with the easy stuff and then build it up later. I have problems with this episode but that ain't one of them
@@auberginemanproductions1608 Because how hard it is to say "actually, the creature inside the shell is the dalek"? The companions have met a dalek before, so they should already know better.
Plus the Doctor has never been known to turn down the technobabble for the sake of the others, why would this be the time she allows humans to miscategorize another race?
@@rkah6187 Dunno. Just trying to say what the thought process behind it could have been. I'm normally a pessimist, but I try and be an optimist sometimes to regain some hope in humanity. Doesn't usually work
@@auberginemanproductions1608 Right, I get it you are trying to assume the best, and I suppose it could have been just a mistake in the script where the Doctor simply said "the creatures inside" and some genius 'corrected' it.
It's just that daleks were in Doctor Who since the very beginning, and it just feels such a stupid mistake when you supposedly have professionals working on this who know the show really well.
@@rkah6187 i totally agree
does it bother anyone else that the emperor from series 1 couldn't do the job that the "CEO" of this episode did so easily? clone daleks with no human dna
Perhaps because he didn’t have any trace of Dalek DNA to clone from.
Or, alongside why he didn’t use flesh/DNA from himself, because it emphasises his divine ‘Godhood’ by being the only truly pure Dalek while the other Human-grown Daleks weren’t.
But yeah what the scientist did was pretty out of nowhere & quickly glossed over just for narrative purposes.
well, lets be fair, the dalek emperor was an insane cult leader so....... makes sense he didn't do the best plan
I actually just went back to watch that scene with the Dalek Emperor as I thought he'd said he used his own flesh and needed cells from humanity to help cultivate it. But yeah no, it seems he did just transform human cells to Dalek ones.
That being said, oof that original scene, the tension, the music. The Daleks have such a presence and the Doctor takes them so seriously, you can see his passion and rage at them even existing, the weight of losing his people to stop them and him thinking it was a price worth paying had they actually been destroyed.
It seems the Daleks this time are just doing their thing and the Doctor doesn't care? They are just another villain of the week now it seems that the Doctor has a jolly time dealing with... I mean I only saw this review but does she seriously just call them up to buzz by Earth? Is she not bothered by them being out there at all? Also to just kill a Tardis like that when she has established in the past they cannot be made anymore, thats an incredibly valuable and important thing to just discard like that.
@@laurenceellis6256 he had himself to clone from
@@blamass6708 And I made note of that in the second paragraph where the reason he didn't may have been "because it emphasises his divine ‘Godhood’ by being the only truly pure Dalek while the other Human-grown Daleks weren’t"
8:11 She forgot the Silence because their whole thing is that nobody can remember them. It's literally their main ability.
But she knows they exist
@@kobeangelesdamelio She didn't forget they exist, she just forgot that that one was there. In the end, it was just meant to be a 'funny' one-off line.
@@charlz1636 I think you meant to respond to the op
@@kobeangelesdamelio I was responding to both of you, but yes it was more aimed at op.
@@charlz1636 Well I already knew the information you provided, but thanks anyway
Does nobody remember that time that the Daleks stole Earth? No? Just gonna accept the Daleks, people of the public? Well, OK, then.
I thought that was already explained in season 5, what with the cracks in time and Amy not recognising the Daleks in Victory of the Daleks.
@@linkofvev I just looked it up. You’re right, but now that I’ve looked into it, it seems as though the writers didn’t really know what they wanted, there. Amy doesn’t remember them, and neither do the people, apparently, because the cracks made it so that it never happened, but UNIT somehow remembers the whole ordeal, and even has parts of the Daleks who were destroyed in the invasion. That’s...weird...?
@@linkofvev is there an explanation for all the death and destruction from alien invasion?
@@connorwood9211 I dunno, maybe UNIT or someone covers them up? To be honest the show (both Classic and New) tends to play loose when it comes to continuity of modern day Earth invasions. The Seventh Doctor has a quote that basically sums up the in-universe response to these events: "Your species has the most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity when trying to destroy itself.
"
I always thought everyone forgot when 11 reset the universe with the Pandorica so it never happened after that point but then they brought Jack back and he remembers everything so I guess that goes out the window. 🤷♀️
I wonder if Yaz actually did her job in those past ten months. Cause you know, she's a Police Officer.
Yeah. The show does kind of keep forgetting that. :/
I love that the Judoon apparently managed to catch a Silence and a Weeping Angel and keep them locked up, like okay course they did please give us more fan service so we don’t think it’s as bad as it is
I mean, the Judoon caught the Doctor and she is supposed to be unstoppable
Next time it's the vashta nerada
@@DoctorWhoHugh Isn't the weirder question that they take a weeping angel to do exercise......? Its a lump of stone..... do some Judoon come in an carry it down the corridor, dump it there then carry it back...?
@@jonsmith5058 remember a weeping angel isn’t stone when no one is looking, which means that when others are blinking, it is exercising, granted it would take longer but it could do it by itself.
@@DoctorWhoHugh I knew someone would point this out, but it still doesn't work man.
They'd need to turn off all the cameras and stop looking so it can move down the corridor. The exercise yard would need to be completely empty, then to remove it they would need to empty the exercise yard again....
Plus what are those shackles for? They are tied around its wrists, I would guess that stops them from changing and removing their hands away from their eyes allowing them to look at other people.
This episode of Doctor Who threw like 20 potentially interesting concepts at the wall but none of them stuck. I didn't go in with high hopes, but somehow I was still disappointed.
That "4 minutes to Osaka" line blew my top off THAT'S NOT HOW THE TARDIS WORKS AND EVEN IF IT DID HOW SLOW ARE YOU GOING???
Yeah exactly, and adding the fact that it’s not even a time jump only like 500km or something through the planet even without the vortex
Go to Season 1, final episode, it starts with the Tardis flying across the solar system, to the edges of it infact where the Dalek fleet is hiding. After tanking the missiles shot at it the Doctor does a pinpoint materialisation ontop of Rose and another Dalek bringing them inside the Tardis.
But to get to Osaka, nah, we just go the slow slow slow way. Tardis is abit old now, she can't go as fast as she used to. Or is the Tardis a He now? Did we check the last time it regenerated?
@@jonsmith5058 the tardis is still a she, it’s not a gender thing I’m this case apart from the idris episode with smith.
It’s just the whole ships and cars are she’s thing
@@jonsmith5058 but yeah it’s all ridiculous in this episode
@@thecoloradokid5418 Do you know that for a fact? It might have identified as a woman because it had some sort of hetero romance with the Doctor. Perhaps its now identifying as a male to mirror the Doctors flip, I wouldn't put it past Chibnall....
Its weird thinking of the silence behind bars, how were their crimes even accounted for? How did the Judoon even capture said silence?
probably tax evasion or some technicality
@@pedroxqui that sounds about right, crimes like that never go unnoticed
They were stealing cheap suits from TK Max. Where else do you think they get their clothes from?
The scene outside Number 10. When the daleks enter the shot, the journalists react surprised, but to enter the shot like that, they must have been just next to her on the street where they would have been seen
I felt that this episode had a lot of potential but it was just flushed down the toilet. The climax especially felt incredibly rushed.
You just summed up the chibnal era.
Like every chibnell era episode
It definitely was. In my opinion, this episode should've just been Jack and The Doctor trying to escape the Prison and it gets attacked by Dalek invasion force.
So a massive war breaks out between the Judoon forces, The Prisoners and The Daleks with Jack and The Doctor in the middle of it.
The episode ends with The Doctor finding out that so many prisoners escaped in the attack and takes it upon herself to track them down which would be the Mini Arc next to The Timeless Child Arc for Series 13.
@@TheHufflepuffSaint Ever considered becoming a writer for BBC?
@@byungbin1395 I wish I could. I've got so many ideas of what I could add to the Doctor Who Lore (Without damaging the canon).
Currently I got my own sci-fi horror novel series that I'm writing up so hopefully, if I finally get to publish one or all of them I'll be able to pursue a job as a BBC writer. :-)
And thank you so much for thinking that I'd be good for a BBC writer. You made my afternoon. :-)
Honestly, it had some redeeming qualities, but overall was a huge miss.
4/10
I agree. The set up is fairly solid, but as soon as the gold daleks arrive theres just 0 tension.
There were so many things I was getting excited to see.
> Jack Robertson saying "take me to your leading" to the Daleks, I was getting hype for Davros.... NOPE
> When they were on the Dalek Ship, it looked like Jack was gonna get killed... NOPE
I'm sure there were other moments like that. Oh well...
@@molduga yeah how the hell can it be a jack episode with no resurrection, it’s not even like they need cgi or something to pull that off, just shoot him wait a min and have him get up
At best 3.3/10 at absolute best
Honestly the biggest thing that frustrated me was how slow the episode was. The pauses between lines were excruciatingly noticeable. Plus so much dialogue was unnecessary. It’s like chibnal has never heard of “show, don’t tell”
It was a very tedious endeavour to watch that’s for sure.
I have a few problems with this episode, but I can sum it up in four lines of dialogue.
Utopia:
Doctor: "Have you had work done?"
Jack: "You can talk!"
Revolution of the Daleks:
Doctor: "Have you had work done?"
Jack: "You can talk!"
However, when the Doctor said "To billions of people, Dalek means hate", she meant billions of people as in different planets, or people not on the Earth. Have to give them that one.
i saw an article where they shared that dialogue with underneath: "well chibnall can write oneliners well for jack, after all he wrote a lot for torchwood" except he totally stole that dialogue...
@@Coops1985 is it hard to believe this is supposed to be a nostalgic callback?
@@qwert_511 i guess it was, but the article clearly got it wrong
@@qwert_511 That's not a nostalgic callback. That's just stealing lines. If you haven't got anything clever to say, or do with, the nostalgia, don't bother. It's not like bringing back an old monster or actor, it's a LINE!
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer it’s a line that functions as a callback to another point in the show’s run, it’s meant to be a nudge to the older fans. Nostalgic or not, to assume that they would brazenly steal lines like this is really demonising this iteration of the series more than it deserves.
Graham "We do get aliens in shefield!"
Me "I do believe in fairies, I do I do!"
Gay ham
The only aliens in Sheffield are the crack heads near the cathedral
What’s ironic is that in torchwood it’s revealed fairies are aliens
Its like they watched black mirror and wanted to do a crossover episode with black mirror and doc who but then got bored with it half way through.
I honestly hate what they’re doing to the legacy of this show... the more episodes they release the more they damage what came before:(
Reminds me very much of 80s Doctor Who. But back then, there were at least SOME great stories among all the rubbish.
“Four minutes to Osaka” LMAOOO 💀💀💀
Why couldn’t it of been ‘4 minutes “till we’re needed” in Osaka’? x
@@HattielyEverAfter1995 Well, I guess the TARDIS is on a new time delay, it’s like a Uber! 😭😭
It’s like a sad version of “Two minutes to Belgium!”
@@salem_meow7137 LMAOOO exactly. 🤣🤣
Personally I assumed she deliberately set the TARDIS to take a bit longer to get there so she had a chance to talk with Ryan.
God this episode was atrocious. 10 months of post production for an episode with awful sound mixing, lacklustre cinematography and poorly recycled ideas...
I thought it was brilliant tbh. The score was undeniably great too.
@@DanTheMan2150AD Well, isn't that mature...
@@OriginProductions1963 neither was his comment towards Harry but each to their own.
@@DanTheMan2150AD lol, it's fine if you disagree with me but let's all be mature about it
@@sonnykingcomposer from the comments you’ve made in the past, I think we are past “being mature”
WAIT!!!! Let's stop and explain what we just did, what we are doing right now and how are we feeling...
The thought occurs to me that this story should have been a two parter. Think about it: the first part focusses on the Doctor being trapped in prison, coming to terms with what she learned in the previous finale, before breaking out with Jack's help (and this is the key difference - she actually takes an active role in her prison break, rather than waiting for someone to just rescue her), and making her way back to Earth. The episode then ends with the revelation that the British Government have been building "defence drones" that the Doctor, Jack and the companions recognise as Daleks, and the second part is about stopping them and their plan.
The fact of the matter is that both central ideas (the Doctor in prison, and the British Government using alien death machines to maintain public order) are fantastic, but by forcing both into the same episode, neither idea feels fully developed and the overall product feels underwhelming as a result - much like most of Chibnall's episodes now I think about it
You know what would have also been a thousand times better. If Jack was already in the prison and it wasn't this slapstick 'I got myself inprisoned in order to break you out lols' sort of thing. I mean in 19 years on the outside Jack could have made a better plan than 19 years waiting to get put next to the Doctor by random chance.......
If Jack was already locked up he could have been desperate and alone, the Doctor helps him and in turn Jack reminds the Doctor who she is getting her out of this timeless child blah blah slump. Stronger together they both devise a plan to escape centred around Jack being able to die/not die.
The slapstick dumb prison break is awful and its completely out of character for Jack to just toss out 19 years like that, immortal or not.
@@jonsmith5058 Jack was once buried alive for millenia. 19 years in space prison is a doddle. Totally agree the Doctor should've been more invested in her own escape though. This incarnation of the Doctor seems very passive in general.
The thought occurs to me that this story should have been a zero parter.
The monotony of Doctor in jail = Wake up, eat, walk around, go to bed.
Sound familiar?
I wish the doctor would have stayed in jail longer and did a prison escape with the other prisoners
And for Jack to have stayed in the series longer
I wish this episode was a two parter... It’s almost like it was filmed to be longer, like an hour 40 minutes, but they were told at the last minute they had to shorten it down to an hour and 15.
I was in stitches when “Your origin story? I made all of that up just to fuck with ya hehehehe” 20:34
When I was watching this I literally kept seeing plot wholes, terrible editing, awful shooting and even worse writing. Like honestly who is producing these episodes..
It's embarrassing
It's really not that bad. Timelash is far worse.
CGI was quite good tbf
@@yannatoko9898 That was in 1986 pal 🙃
I know. I'm aware of the dates of episodes' broadcast. Timelash is incomparable to this though, it's so dreadful. Well parts of it are mildly amusing in their terribleness. Anyway, there's no absolute law on how long ago something must be before you can't compare it simply because of its age, therefore, I repeat, this episode really isn't that bad. Doctor Who is generally a mixture of all right episodes, with occasional great ones and occasional awful ones. That's the nature of the programme.
Yaz: I waited 10 months for the Doctor!
Amy: Only 10 months? Try 36 years mate
I was wondering whether those people they rescued at the end of The Timeless Child would be mentioned.
It seems a huge shame that they glossed over the human beings brought back from the edge of human extinction - there’s so many questions there!
Not to mention they seemed to be setting up a potential relationship between Ravio and Graham...
"People got Hurt"
*Dalek going on murderous extermination spree*
Just hurt righhhhhht...
Ever heard of a euphemism
@@davidthewhale7556 I get the point of it. That's just how I felt when she said that.
It's up there with that line from Rise Of Skywalker; "It's the Death Star. It's a bad place."
Christ what happened to competent writers. Granted, it is teaching me how NOT to write characters for my novel.
@@TheHufflepuffSaint That's a decent bit of dialogue that clearly conveys how callous the character is. A bit like later when Robertson suggests that he still thinks it would've been fine to use real CS gas for the demonstration.
I'm 15 and I even predicted the grandma showing up at the end. The writing is that predictable.
Ngl Chibbers target audience with stories like this is probably someone half your age.
@@billylardner true true
I predicted a few lines exactly before they were said and I only just turned 16 today like ffs it’s so boringly written
@@billylardner that's is because doctor who is a children's show and has always been a children's show. That doesn't mean people older than that can't enjoy it.
Are we not going to talk about how when Jack appears in the "prison" the Doctor audibly touches the electric fence and NOTHING. HAPPENS.
This episode was riddled with ugly lens flares. Did they asked JJ Abrams to work on it?
Nah even TLJ and ROS was better than this.
@@tikitong7285 Chibnall - king of horrible writers
@@tikitong7285 Rubbish. ROS was absolutely terrible. This episode was mostly just meh. They're not even in the same ballpark.
Also Rest in peace Donna, after seeing Daleks flying over London
again
Rational side of my brain: huh, gess you are right.
Emotional side: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK, YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE-
"The ballots are on my side...."
Hearing that a second time, I just realised how eerily similar that felt to current events.....
1) The Silence make you forget them when you look away, this has been established (it's the whole premise of them in fact).
2) Why does it matter who Jack heard the rumour from? For once Chibnall didn't over-explain something (over-exposition is easily one of his main flaws).
3) Obviously they met in the woods for the purposes of keeping it secret. It wouldn't be very secret if one of them turned up to the other's office.
4) "The fam" did already know that the Doctor used to be a man. I'm pretty sure the Doctor herself mentioned it once or twice and Jack definitely did the first time he was onscreen.
All of these are great explanations.
I know Harry doesn’t care for the show but I really don’t know how he could forget the entire premise of them. Also I remember The Master referencing Then doctor being a man to Graham so he knew, makes sense that they all did
So it doesn't matter that every enemies the doctor made through her life could come to kill her, but no it doesn't matter because seeing her in prison for ten minutes was so coool...
@@akaiendo7312 When did I say that I thought this was a good episode?
While I agree with 3/4 of your points I think his criticism about Jack's source is valid since it leaves the plothole of how did Jack know how the Doctor looked like and why did he risk imprisonment over a rumor. It's ironically the only part of the episode that I wish Chibnall explained more.
On point 3) yeah, clandestine meeting in the woods, okay, yeah, I'm fine with it. My problem with that whole scene is that Robertson calls the politician lady "Prime Minister" about half a dozen times. It was completely unnecessary as in the very next scene you can see on a computer screen that she won the elections and we knew she was running for office from the beginning of the episode. We get it, don't treat us like idiots. And anyways, rule one of cinema is "show, don't tell". Chibnall does not have any sort of subtlety that is needed for a good script.
Oh my God.
Is "4 minutes to Osaka" the worst canon break Chibnall has ever done?
I mean, the Doctor was able to go across the galaxy and thought time in a matter of seconds.
He could jump to Australia in no time.
Correct. Which suggests that she deliberately set the trip to take longer so she had time to talk to Ryan.
No, it's not a canon break. It has always taken the TARDIS wildly-varying amounts of time to get from point A to point B.
When something sucks so hard, Harry is even fumbling around in the video. This is serious.
Look, the idea of Daleks being used as a police force while the Doctor is in prison, is not a bad idea but it's just written and executed in a incredible lazy way.
Also: Hugh Grant has mastered the TARDIS once! What are you talking about?
That children in need episode was better than anything in the chibnal era, and ironically most of the Moffat era, since he wrote the episode.
@@linkofvev Would rather see 3 episodes of Joanna Lumley as the 13th Doctor than 3 seasons of Jodie.
@@linkofvev which Children in Need episode? “Dimensions in Time”? yeh you’re probably right. 😂
@@jamesstewart7736 'The curse of the fatal death', but yeah, I can't phantom why 'Dimensions in time' gets the hate it receives if you look at the past 2 seasons, lol.
I hate how this episode tried to cover such a poor written story with fan service, like “hey we know this episode is bad but look, here’s a villain who haven’t seen since series 2”
I assume he meant the Sycorax in the prison
This story would’ve been better with cybermen, the prime minister tells everyone they’re just robots but then they start converting people, humanity rises up under the guide of the fam & jack, all while the Doctor is trying to break out of prison
Problem is the cyberman were so heavily featured in the last series’ finale
Would’ve been a fantastic episode for another enemy like the Krotons or others
I thought this episode was...okay. I didn't expect the resolution to be turning Daleks against Daleks but that was fun, and that shot of all the Daleks flying into the Tardis was fantastic. But this was the second episode IN A ROW where the big bad alien ship full of thousands of enemies was dealt with by the companions sneaking on board, laying some bombs, and then buggering off.
Jack is fun though, even if I don't think he could continuously return on his quips again without some development or proper plot relevance - River Song he ain't.
The silence are forgotten once you look away thats why she didnt remember but I agree the prison shouldve been used more so we could see a solo doctor and actually give 13 her own personality
The silence is forgotten as soon as the person isn't looking at them
I personally really liked it. A bit anticlimactic and too short was my issue. The pacing was too fast for me and there was little time to let everything sink in, which is really my primary issue with Chibnall scripts. They just move by too quickly, which is why I think two parters are the best place for him... and maybe not as show runner. I don’t have an issue with the man, just that I don’t think he’s a good show-runner for Doctor Who. But back to the story, yes, I really liked it. I’m just saying it should’ve been a two parter with the Doctor’s escape being halfway through, because what we have feels like it was cut-down, as if they filmed for a longer story but were told they had to have a much shorter story. Solid 6/10.
She forgets the Silence in prison because everyone does when they look away from them.
I would like to point out the fact that the Silence job is to make you forget that they were ever there and you only remember them by looking at them.
I litterally said nine months ago, when you said you wouldnt be reviewing this, "Cant wait for you to review revolution next year ;)"
Look who was right lmao
Yeah, he just can't help himself. :D
All the show has left are nods towards nostalgia. Everything else is awkward, stupid and embarrassing to watch.
That is blatantly untrue.
@@MrThorfan64 Did you watch this video? Compare the current series to older series, the difference is immeasurable.
@@Pond721 Matter of opinion. You cant just assume you are right and anyone who thinks differently must be wrong.
@@MrThorfan64 Says the person who said "blatantly untrue" to someone with a different opinion.
@@Pond721 Saying everything is bad is untrue, as some people liked it it is not all bad.
Me ACTUALLY a half hour ago (8 min before this got uploaded): “damn too bad he said he won’t do the new episodes.
Me 30 mins: *gasp* No way!
How could you forget that when u look away you forget the silence are there
What annoys me most about this episode is the fact that no one obviously remembers the planets in the sky and people being taken hostage by the Daleks only 10 years prior. Now they are supposed to be treated as security drones? Shouldn't this set off a bunch of red alarms?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who is bothered by this.
It made sense with Amy, but I've never understood why no one remembers them (unless I've missed something?)
Do neither of you remember series 5? The Doctor rebooted the Universe with a second big bang, so everything that happened before didn't really happen.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer except for those who were with the doctor. That and UNIT for some reason.
I dont know what it is about Revolution, I know that it's very flawed as a story and that they were so many missed opportunities, but I can't stop myself from genuinely enjoying it somehow.
Because his era is so bad that this is the best episode. At least he actuall attempted actual character interactions this time, even if he failed at it.
@@Josh-oj9mm not really, i am watching currently the 4th Doctor and i didn't have a "disappointment" with this episode
Because it's a fun episode. Something can be "objectively" bad but still be enjoyable
Personally I love the entirety of Doctor Who (classic + new, all seasons). Most of that entirety is shit but that doesn't stop me from loving it all. Hell, I personally love series 11 and 12 more than 1/2 of Moffat's era because the episodes are entertaining to watch
I’m catching up to last season now, and yeah it’s somewhat enjoyable; there is a story that’s not overly nonsensical and the characters try to have some interactions and there is no dumb ticking clock; and the fanservice is working on me
As opposed to the master, I’d prefer Rassilon to come back and say that either the master got it wrong or was fucking with her head but instead she found the timeless child quite a few regenerations ago and then was regeneration and memory wiped
"how could you possibly forget if your doing this same routine day in and day out"
The point of the silence is you forget no matter how many times you see them
It was probably just prison humour
I think you nailed something that bothers me about this era of Doctor Who is picking and choosing of things that the characters do or don't remember. Not a single person mentioned that the new "defense drones" looked uncannily like the Dalek race that INVADED THE ENTIRE PLANET. Like, have a Dalek story but don't make an entire country forget about a significant storyline from the same show.
Know your Who stuff before you comment on it. The Doctor reset the universe with the Pandorica, meaning that none of those invasions ever happened, technically. It's confusing, but there is an explanation
What The Science Guy said. This was addressed back in Series 5. It's kinda dumb, but probably a necessary evil if they don't want Who Earth to become unrecognisably different than the real world.
@@irrevenant8724 Well I'll be damned, fair enough. For the longest time this has always bugged me but I guess if they addressed it then it makes sense? Guess I need to stop complaining about it now 😂
The fact that you didn't even mention the way jack exited really shows how bad and unmemorable it was
Gosh, I miss the bright colored Daleks. I kind of liked them (one of the only people in my direct circle that did so :).). But then again, much of that era was more fun to watch, at least for me.
Harry, she didn't remember the Silence because it was a joke on how when you look away from one you forget them. Just saying
Are we ignoring how the dalek creature was stored inside an NZXT Case
When the Doctor said "Looks like he's opened a facility on Osaka" she was talking about either Robertson (not sure if I got his name right - the giant spider guy), because the dalek accessed Leo's computer and did it through the company, so it would have looked like Robbertson did it. That also explains why Robertson didn't know anything about it.
I'm absolutely with you when it comes to bringing Jack back. Sure, I love him as a character, but if you're going to utilize him again then you need to do so _for a fucking reason._ Don't just throw him in because, "Shit, mates, we're fresh out of ideas, but the fans'll definitely love this!"
8:15 When the Doctor says "I forgot you were here" to the Silence Harry interjects "How could you possibly forget...?", rather missing the joke and ironically forgetting the obvious. :) A few questions that weren't addressed:, Why would they send only one guy to transport their invaluable cargo, what if he hadn't stopped for tea at that particular location or ordered something else, why didn't the dalek just take over him there without that elaborate plot, how is it possible to touch the electrified fence, how is the supposedly uncontainable p'ting being contained, why don't the 'SAS' daleks follow the usual 'take over the universe' Dalek imperative and just hang around waiting for a phone call, why doesn't the Doctor tell her 'Fam' that she's been in prison for years to shut down their winging over her ten week absence?
I'm convinced Chibnall did a doctor who marathon before making this episode, I thought the episode was ok but it had a few plot errors like going to another country with an alien squid on your back, trying to take an unknown creature out of a pc case instead of throwing the whole thing in the incinerator, who turned the people into food for the Dalek creatures if the Dalek was in another country? My biggest gripe was the Daleks killed the copies then didn't try to kill everything that wasn't them which is very out of character
In regards to the last part “everything” is lower on the daleks chopping block than the blimming doctor of all people, so of course they’d focus her down instead of the general populace. But yeah I still agree it’s all a bit ridiculous for them
Hey, dude wanted his PC case back!
The Doctor deliberately went looking for (and found) Death Squad Daleks. Their specific role seems to be to maintain the purity of the Dalek race by destroying impure daleks. Exterminating other species is someone else's job...
This, incidentally, is a great example of why the Daleks keep losing. They're so obsessed with purity that whenever a Dalek evolves and innovates the rest immediately obliterate it...
this is the only episode of Doctor who that made me feel physical pain
Really? Why? Of all the Chibnall era this episode was at worst meh. Series 11 alone produced 6-8 worse episodes.
8:11 "How can you possibly forget (the Silence) if you're doing the same routine over and over again?"
... Do you seriously not remember what the Silence are?... Oh, wait. I forgot too.
You didnt understand the joke with the silence... when you are not looking at him, you forget that... it's why the doctor forgot the silence.
Also... I really didn't like the 4 minutes thing... so the Tardis can go to the past and future in seconds and it needs 4 minutes to go to Osaka?
I've always thought a show becomes creatively bankrupt when it sends its main character to prison
Prison Break
As much as I enjoy Harry’s observations I think he missed the fact that you forget the Silence while you are looking at them or not looking at them or whatever and that was a Chibnall Dad joke. Also it does sometimes rain while the sun is shining 🤷🏻♂️
I really want to know how nobody in London seems to remember the multiple Dalek attacks of the past
Addressed in Series 5. Cracks in time, wibbly-wobbley. The meta reason for it, of course, is that they don't want the fictional Earth in Doctor Who to diverge too much from real world Earth.
Id love to see the face of bow say "excellent bottom" to captain jack and boom theres his true ark complete
Not only is the tardis a living being and the doctor would NOT use it as a weapon...
There are a few other problems.
The Doctor always warned that the Daleks were insanely powerful and must never be let inside a Tardis.
A Tardis that is destroyed produces an immense amount of energy. Enough to power a Dalek super fleet or even destroy the universe.
The Doctor would never put the Earth in more danger than it already was in just to take an easy way out. Going to the Daleks to take care of Daleks is like setting up a supernova to deal with a supernova.
I haven't seen any complaints about the Angel being on camera, I thought the image of an angel becomes an angel?
Part of me hopes they quietly forget that factoid. It was pretty dumb.
I gotta agree, when I first saw the new companion, I ran into my mums room and said that hugh grant was the new companion two seconds later I shout: "NEVERMIND! ITS JOHN BISHOP!"
8:09 surley the doctor said "forgot you were here" to the silence because they wipe memory upon looking away from them??
This is random but there's a really great Doctor Who novel called Seeing I that has the Doctor in prison for the bulk of its length, and it handles it in a much more interesting way.
I imagine it would - that's the entire point of the novel whereas in this situation it was a plot point they needed to get quickly resolved so they could move onto the main story. The story reason for the Doctor's incarceration seems to have been the enforced separation from the Companions.
8:13 Okay, I think you haven’t seen season 6 so.....The Silence are aliens you forget exist once you turn away from them
Ah yeah,my favorite doctor who villian, BUDGET
It *is* what managed to finally defeat UNIT after all...
With the device where they can run through walls, how come they didn’t fall through the floor ?
8:13 you forget the silence when you look away XD
Thanks for acknowledging the lenses flare. They were so overused throughout the episode. Don't know about anyone else, but I found them so distracting.
Don't you know that lens flares=good
Try being a fan of the latest Star Trek films
@@naleekdrahcor3841 was just about to make a star trek joke ahhha
Four minutes to Osaka... Donna musr've aged 8,000,000 years getting to the Medusa Cascade.
Personally I assume the Doctor set the TARDIS to take a little bit longer so she had a chance to chat with Ryan. It's not like the TARDIS won't arrive at the same time no matter how long the trip takes.
Also, was the other Tardis not the same one? Chibnall confirmed that the Ruth doctor was the same doctor so surely destroying her own older selfs tardis would cause some kind of paradox?
Another plot hole! Well done, I didn’t catch that.
It wasn't Ruth's Tardis though, it was a spare one they took from Gallifrey. I think. Honestly I remember so little from the season 12 finale it's unreal but there is no way I'm gonna go back to check this.
In the past making new daleks seemed to be so hard. I mean, Daleks in Manhatten? The Cult of Skaro had imagination, and yet this one octopus is able to make THAT many new daleks. ):(