College Pitcher and Coaches Get Into Screaming and Pushing Match
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I was a catcher at a small college and our Head Coach insisted on calling every pitch. I hated it and the pitchers hated it even more. The worst thing about it was our HC was a giant narcissist and if we had a clean inning he would verbally credit himself for calling a great game as we were walking back to the dugout, and wouldn't hesitate to scold the pitcher if he started to get hit around. This guy was also an assistant on my HS team so i knew he was an ass, but once he got a HC job his ego went through the roof. Not saying these coaches are that, but whenever i see a coach calling the game from the dugout i get triggered lol...that guy scarred me for life
I’m grateful to this day I was allowed to call pitches. I’d rather talk with my pitcher than a coach guessing and not being in the middle of the action.
I was an all state catcher as a Junior in high school. My senior year we had a new pitching coach who insisted on calling every pitch. I had been playing the same guys on club teams since I was 9 years old and knew every batter... so I ignored him. Five innings in to our first game, our pitcher was throwing a no hitter. After the side we came back to the dugout and that pitching coach grabbed me... much in the same manner that the Cajun pitching coach grabbed that player. I gave him a warning not to touch me and he gave me shove... so I knocked him out cold.
Yep I got kicked off the team. Yup I got suspended. I did not get charged with assault because my teammates had my back with the police. Yes I lost potential scholarships for it. Ya know what though... I'd do it exactly the same. You don't grab a man like that and expect there not to be consequences. Our team went from winning the conference the previous year to having a .500 season. After I graduated, that tool got busted for messing with a student and went to jail. I played county league for a year then went to school for a degree in Chemistry.
All it takes is one bad coach to turn a season, and players lives, upside down.
What about this- did you try to talk to him before hand and tell him you knew all the batters? I wonder how he would have responded
I’m not sure I got a good look…. Can you show the pitcher walking into the dugout again ? ?
I had to rewatch the middle of this a few times to catch it, I wished he showed it at least 12 more times.
Yes I will make sure next time to add a few more for you 😂
@@AntonelliBaseball I'm not sure what else you could have added. I have not seen any update on the fallout of this story. Any info?
The problem is that the pitching coach grabbed the player in front of a camera that was filming the whole thing at close-up range. Any university administration that sees this film--and they will--will get rid of that pitching coach, as he's now a potential liability and lawsuit waiting to happen. If it happened behind closed doors, that's one thing. But this is on film. That's assault, regardless of the context. At the university admin level, it's all about business.
Stop calling guys old enough to serve their country , kids. They are young men. Maybe, if we did that they would stop acting like 12 year olds.
I was in the Marine Corps. In boot camp, DIs have to form a platoon of Marines out of all sorts of sloppy, lazy, weak, scared civilian recruits. And they manage to do it without ever laying their hands on you. These ego maniac coaches who think they are teaching a young man a valuable life lesson, probably need to sit and listen to their own advice. And probably be fired.
This a channel about baseball. Leave your G.I. Joe talk at the VFW bar!
Really .I wish u were there when I was there
@Great1Duane reported DEC 27 1987
Semper Fi…..nicely put.
2016 DI’s were still laying hands on guys bro I’ve seen someone get fucking drop kicked for asking a dumb question
I was actually the camera guy who shot this, and I can confirm he said that stuff.
Seriously?
No, because I was the camera guy@@tonythackerson6246
The pitching coach wants to grab you right now.
@@tonythackerson6246 yes
No coach should ever put an aggressive hand on a player. Even if the player was incorrect in their actions, the coaches have to remain calm and manage the situation.
don’t shelter them, if he is being uncoachable and blatantly disrespectful, nah bro, put him in his place. These aren’t kids, these are grown ass men 18+ years old. Good job coaches!
They are 18+ exactly why you dont put your hands on them might bwe swallowing you teeth with right MAN
Not one, not two, but three coaches putting hands on you is excessive. And they weren’t holding him back they were the aggressors. And then to have to go in the tunnel. Yeah that’s not where I’d want to be. It’s like getting jumped in the bathroom. The optics here aren’t good.
They grabbed his jersey. No one attacked him. You are soft like the kids
@@Michael-tj5bk wrong. only person soft here is the pitching coach and others not yelling back without being physically aggressive. if a pitcher comes at you like that, you either deescalate and tell him to stop and you'll talk about it after the game. or you can yell back at him a bit, i've seen that happen in our d1 games as well. what you don't do is put your hands on him.
I’d have more of a problem with the picture screaming at his coach if he wasn’t correct. A two strike breaking ball, a 1-0 change up, and a 3-2 fastball are all horrible (and obvious) pitch calls. The pitching coach is wrong in this situation and he’s wrong twice. One he’s wrong for grabbing the kid. Two he’s wrong for his pitch selection and he should be held accountable as well.
Dumb & Dumber reference was legendary!
I pitched d1. My head coach called pitches as he also preferred to be pitching coach... Then with guys on base you're getting signs from the infielders... I wasn't allowed to shake ANYTHING off.. So I get this kid's frustration 😂
Where did u pitch????😀
@@mrsmukk in the MAAC
Did you ever go to your coaches though and say “what the f are you doing?”
He wasn’t following the script.
@aristotlewasnotafanofplato3661 i didnt say anything about grabbing anyone. Im talking about what the player did.
There’s nothing left to add to this analysis. You hit every single perspective.
This is why sports provides great management lessons for life.
Sometimes you have to let a player/employee let off some steam. But it always needs to be done in private.
This coaching staff seems very touchy handsy.
They really need to keep their damn hands off of him. Props to that pitcher for not slugging one of them.
The are probably pedophiles
I was thinking that exact same thing word for word. What is up with grabbing a player by the jersey, and the head coach actually shoving him backwards? Not very professional at all.
@aristotlewasnotafanofplato3661no they weren't. Go watch football practice every day
Never show up your coach!
Teach kids to call their own game.
Um… listen to Matt’s breakdown?
Grandson pitches 10U in PG. He has 1.5 pitches. Main coach in a former D1 pitcher whose son also pitches on the team. At 10U they're already getting the starting catcher to sort of call for the pitchers as a way to keep them focused off of everything that can distract a young kid from the task at hand, and calm on the mound. Main thing the coach will do is vocally prompt form and technique reminders from the dugout.
Kids are stupid 😊
Pitcher could have handled it better
But just because someone cusses or disagrees/disrespects you doesn’t give you the right to put hands on them
That was the moment the coaches lost the argument regardless of what the kid said.
@@chrisconley8583 Yep. Plus what's this BS about don't show up the coaches on TV? The coaches did that to themselves. All TV showed was the kid saying something at the top of the steps. No idea what he said to who or why. No one would have noticed or cared until Mr. Toughguy Coach got handsy.
That was one of the most outrageous things I’ve ever seen in baseball by a coach. And the pitcher didn’t even do anything wrong, he was just making a case. Never never ever lay your hands on a player like that!
You guys are so soft. Go have another glass of soy milk. And then have a seat in your safe space.
@@flossdaly8274 whatever, a kid losing his cool, that’s expected. If the coach can’t handle that then they suck. Sorry that you favor inferior ways of teaching a kid.
U can take my scholarship but NO COACH will ever grab my shirt like that, the glove will come off and his ass will get handed to him. All 3 of those idiots who grabbed him will definitely get fined, they all including the young man pitching could have handled it better but the coaches need to understand it was in a heat of the moment situation.
I think the context is wrong. I think the pitching coach wasn’t prepared and he only got 4 warmups in the pen, then whatever his allotted amount is from the mound. So he said “What the F are we doing? What the F are we doing?” “I got 4 F’ing pitches.”
He gave up the homer and as he got warmed up he stared shutting them down.
Sounds to me, but then the video is a total 'oooops' that needs revision...)
This stigma over the last 10 years with coaches demanding their pitches called being thrown and "don't shake me" mentality is absolutely ridiculous. It's not their game it's not their stats. I can 💯 tell this pitching coach has an ego and has a culture that his pitch calling is not questioned. How'd that work out for him? I preach the same as Matt is saying to my students and it is the same as I was taught. If you don't have conviction feel free to shake until you get what you want. If you give up a knock it's on you then but that is how the game should be.
I'm so glad I played before anyone told me what to throw. My attitude: if you want to decide what pitch to throw, suit up and get on the mound yourself.
Little league was a good time for you.
I’m glad I played before everyone became so entitled and unapproachable for fear of being “disrespected.”
The guy calling pitches for Louisiana was one of the greatest pitchers in program history. youre soft
As if you knew the scouting report on every batter you faced. lol your soft and seems like you’re from this generation.
Having been a D1 pitcher, this topic is dear to my heart. I was always confused on how a college coach could sit in a dugout 50-100 feet away from the catcher and see exactly where my pitch missed. If he asked for a curve ball down in the zone for a strike, could he really tell weather I missed in or out? Because of this, I always believed the coach should teach his guy how to pitch not call the pitches. Of course I want to think two pitches ahead but if I miss my spot it changes the entire strategy. At least let the pitcher shake off and if your catcher thinks it’s a bad shake, then call time-out and go talk to him. I appreciate Matt’s view on the matter. Hopefully the coach can take a deep breath, and refrain from disciplining a young man who is obviously passionate about competing.
Don’t just coach, teach.
a a pitcher i had a coach that wanted to call every pitch with no chance of shaking off the pitch he called. That lasted 1 game and i told him after the game that i was not coming back and i would just wait and play summer ball. that was my freshman year and i made it clear to my pitching coaches from that point forward that if they were not good with that then i would just play at third base. I lettered 9 times in high school 4 football, 3 baseball 1 track,1 basketball.
Not disagreeing with anything you said. I'm curious, at this level would the coaches have tablets in the dugout showing the pitch locations?
@@partytoparty i played back in the late 70s early 80s so we did not have that . most coaches that i had ( i attended seven different high schools 4 different states) did not call pitches the catcher did with the pitcher shaking of pitches he did not agree with. I had a plan for each batter after the first time through line up and discussed it with my catcher before the inning started so we would be on the same page. Usually the coach and the catcher spoke between innings about how the game was going and if the pitcher was getting tired or wild.
Don't most colleges have systems built into their stadiums for pitch tracking and hit tracking? It is my understanding that these systems have replaced radar guns for pitch speed etc.
If coaches have access to that data, they can tell where the pitch was and monitor other things like spin rate and other metrics.
@@swolf2004 in my opinion the catcher is still the one with the best knowledge of the pitchers condition during the game.
I’m probably in the minority but a little fatherly “grab and get your attention” doesn’t bother me at all. It’s different than physical abuse. I have no problem here at all.
yeahm the error is gettin up in your coaches faces cussing them out. he's copying what he saw at the super bowl
Weird
You should never place hands on someone no one deserves that
I didn't think it was weird until the 2nd coach did it too lol
He‘s not his father, what kind of good coaching calls for grabbing onto someone who should trust you.
Do you often go on the internet to announce that you are incorrect??
So a college kid has a little immaturity and all 3 coaches start to physically threaten him? I hope all 3 lose their jobs, total garbage.
They should've taken him into the tunnel right away, then do whatever you want. I'm sure there's history here, but that's embarrassing from those coaches. All THREE of them had to put their hands on him? Weird. How about being an adult amongst these college kids? At least take it into the tunnel away from the cameras.
Gotta love three grown men who feel that they need to put their hands on a kid in response to words spoken out of frustration.
Don’t put your hands on people you’re supposed to be a guardian of. It’s never appropriate.
Agreed. Scum bags in my book
The "kid" is a grown man too. This isn't middle school lol. Most of the D1 starters are 21-23 and big dudes. Agree with what you said, but stop saying "kids".
The estrogen in these comments is typical of this generation.
They should leave it up to the pitcher and catcher. Coaches have to trust them at some point.
So let's see: ALL 3 of (what appeared to be) coaches put their hands on a player. That's a material breach of their contract and a firing offense. An AD MUST act. I don't care what the player said. You can suspend the player if you feel the need, but you can never let the coaches behave like that. (Don't give me the "in my day..." crap; I lived through those days, too. I saw and experienced way worse but it was all wrong. It has to be stopped).
Step 1 in effective communication: grab their jersey angrily....
pitching coach: check
head coach: check
And this is why coaches have no business calling pitches.
You're not on the field, you have no idea what's working for that pitcher that day. Teach your pitchers HOW to pitch, and let them pitch. If you can't teach pitching strategy, you shouldn't be coaching pitching.
This is a tough one. First and foremost, if you physically grab someone you better be ready for whatever comes next. I don't care if it is a "kid" who is 20 years old or not. Both are grown men and you don't grab a grown ass man who is 6'4" and 220 unless you are ready for whatever he has for you. The kid may have publicly torched him, but at least he didn't rag doll the guy after he grabbed onto him. The kid may not have handled it in the best way possible, but the coach is 100% in the wrong. I guarantee you he isn't grabbing a guy like that on the street. He had the position of authority and he abused it plain and simple. I'm not soft, that just isn't coaching. Second, it was either a terrible call or the kid missed his location by a mile. Throwing a 3-2 fastball above the belt on the inside of the plate can't be the call with a power hitter at the plate. You know he is selling out fastball. Based on the catchers posture on that pitch versus the other pitches for strikeouts, he was expecting it in and not low. Last but not least, this doesn't seem like something that came from that scenario by itself. There was underlying anger there on both sides.
All the coaches grabbed him. Not just one of the coaches.
Maybe something about that particular kid. Maybe not.
They know the kid !
@@luisgomez-kq5nz We don’t know how close or not close they are. We are in no spot to characterize anything about the relationship.
You should be careful grabbing people in an argument...
I would not be happy if a coach grabbed my kid. There is never any reason for that UNLESS my kid takes a swing lol.
@@richblunt1309That kid was at least 4 " taller than all those old men! LOL
@@inconnu4961That just means they are taking advantage of their position. They know they can push him around and he can’t do anything because he is scared of being kicked out of the program.
Point taken - All three coaches are in the wrong for placing their hands on the kid - and instead taking it out of the Doug out and yelling or simply tell the pitcher you are out for the next x amount of games, end of story. No-one puts hands on anyone - they are all in the wrong for this - it is only a game and education first.
I'm sure this wasn't the first time for this pitcher to get upset. We got to many soft folks around here. This was not bad and no need to get crazy about it.
Pitching coach should be fired. Bob Knight days are over.
Can you imagine if Bobby Knight, Woody Hays or Earl Weaver was coaching today? People would lose their minds.
You still don't need to put your hands on someone to get their attention. If you're an effective communicator, you’ll keep your hands to yourself.
People would be correct to lose their minds. You can't throw things like a toddler(Bobby Knight).
I never saw Earl Weaver try to throw around any of his players so don’t put him in the same category as those two idiots.
Nick Saban certainly got players' attention. He screamed like a madman, but you never saw him put his hands on a player like that.
@@Bruss813Woody was worse; he shoved media members and punched an opposing player. He also taught Knight all about petulant behavior.
If these coaches put their hands on my kid they’d get a baseball bat shampoo. Also that pitching coach and coach has their beards too manicured and it infuriates me.
I understand the pitcher’s emotions. I’ve been rocked before, and it’s demoralizing and even humiliating. But you can’t openly show contempt towards coaching staff or anyone else, for that matter. Likewise, I’ve been called out before, and I didn’t care for that either. But you can’t go around putting your hands on people like the coach did. This is bad all around, but I’m sure that it’s all water under the bridge now-after the pitcher ran a few dozen laps or so and had his scholarship threatened.
We rarely see the follow up and it did look like the pitching coach came to his senses eventually.
The head coach has to be more chill though, lol! As you pointed out, there are other ways to get the kid’s attention than what was done here.
I would have been in that coaches face immediately after the game if it was my son. If my son came at you using his mouth (even in that lapse of judgement), you should admonish him without putting your hands on him. It is no longer about what my son said. I will deal with that later. It is about why you are grabbing and shoving my kid.
I was an asst. and a JC in Washington, our HC called the pitches. In one game we had, a kid who shook off the HC. The HC ran out to the mound, and subsequently got into a yelling match with the kid being kicked off the team immediately. I had never seen that happen before. The kid left in the 3rd inning with his dad, never to return
Good
Seems like they did this inning after inning? WTF? Oh wait. you just replayed it a million times.
Three different coaches put their hands on him? Horrible. It bothers me much more than it bothers you.
The pitcher learned a lesson today on professionalism. Hope it sticks. Its not his team.
The old glove over the mouth never fails. I don't think this is the first time they haven't seen eye to eye.
all 3 coaches angrily putting hands on a student athlete, that's a problem!
As a former college pitching coach, I started every season calling pitches and it always ended up with the catcher and pitchers asking if they could take over that responsibility. I believe that worked well for us because they were taking ownership of decision making.
If you called a bad game were you also taking responsibility? Or was your pitcher not executing?
Good stuff coach
@samgardner4667 Hi Sam. Yes, I shared in the responsibility when things didn’t go well. Like I said, I gave control back to the players and would usually just give suggestions between innings and during mound visits.
You should count yourself lucky and be proud, because your pitchers had the balls and confidence to approach you so they can call their own game. Well done mate. That’s a coach. 🥇
How does the coach call pitches? Like does he give hand signals? And from where?
He should get in trouble for that. U can’t grab anyone like that anywhere else in the adult world. College coaches don’t get to shit the rest of us don’t. Not even a questions.
Legally that's assault. You or me grab someone's shirt and push them into a wall. We're getting arrested and charged with assault. And could possibly serve some time over it. Just too many coaches take the drill Sargent approach. Played highschool baseball and football 30 year's ago. My baseball coach was a sweet old man who even when critiquing you would do it in a MR Rodgers way. Now my football coach was different story. He'd yell and cuss you out. And grab jerseys and slap you across the helmet.
Seeing a lot of the feminine in the comment section, it was a spirited tug on a kid that was being WAY out of line. No problem. Coach Saban was right when he said this new generation of people are sensitive and fragile and must handled with bubble wrap.
I used to come in to pitch when we were getting our asses whupped and we needed to save arms. I'll be dammed if they are gonna call my pitches from the bench. I'm going to throw my emphus pitch dammit!
All the coaches being aggressive is a little out of line.
BS keep your hands off players..!
Btw Matt you recruited and signed at Holy Cross one of my students Dan Vucovich. Crazy to think.
That pitcher and teammates should went hands on with that coach you got to take up for your teammates . You gone put your hands on somebody you better expect grown things to happen .
DAMN STRAIGHT!!! I won't give his name, but he played running back in the SEC. Told a story about a coach in college grabbing his facemask and pulling him to the sideline bench. His helmet went sideways and he could not see anything. He said his natural instincts kicked in and he pulled back took a swing at the coach. Yanked his hands off his facemask . He didn't want to hit him - but THAT was his reaction.
@@dusterbuster no doubt .
That couldn’t be my kid. You’re damned right; grown men things would have been happening. You can say whatever you want. Going hands on gets you into things you don’t want and for what? A Baseball game. You want to win, but it’s not that serious. If he can’t control his emotions; then is he the right person to teach? Probably not.
@@juggernautabc5007no you would not 🤣
@@juggernautabc5007 nope he don’t need teach or he needs to grab the right kid lol .
My 2 girls I’m raising know to fisty hands if somebody puts hands on or is picking on you . We will work other details later. Put them fist to work don’t say word just go to work I’m not raising sissies.
I’ve played at the college D-2 level and my son has played at the D-2 level too my opinion is that many college coaches that I’ve observed have gigantic egos that manifest itself with massive control issues that can be abusive. I personally don’t like coaches calling pitches generally. However, there are many situations where the coaches have charted tendencies, or spotted weaknesses, or have defensive plays they want to happen and then it’s the right thing to do…always. In college, the pitching coach should go over each upcoming batter with the pitcher and catcher so they are all are on the same page. Having said that, we all know that pitchers, all pitchers, are head cases and what goes on inside those delicate, weird heads directly translates to their effectiveness on the mound. Any coach who doesn’t understand the psychology of pitchers is doomed to fail. And any pitcher who has lost touch with his mental zone of perfection should be removed immediately. The pitching coach’s primary job is to get their pitcher into that zone and ride that wave as long as he can sustain it. It frequently requires the pitching coach to be egoless and from what I saw on this video, those coaches are more ego than is healthy for a good relationship between and among the players. Don’t you think the other pitchers and players are watching what is going on? This is not healthy environment.
Nah you and your heathen child have the egos
I could be wrong .... but this kid has some nice stuff. His curve or breaking ball is nice. He just does not have major league gas. I take it he wanted to use the curveball more. ?
If you get near a baseball dugout yiu can always detect the scent of vinegar and water, not sure why.
I’m totally fine with the coach grabbing the player. The kid is emotional and wants to compete. You’ve got to love that. It’s all good here…
@@paddyb456 Prison? I think that a little extreme. This is the highest level of college baseball and the kid pitching just gave up the go ahead runs. He wants to compete with his best stuff. I didn’t see punches, just a coach trying to calm his pitcher down. If this bothers you, you’d have a heart attack on the sidelines of a college football game. All the parties involved want to win and it got a little heated but it happens and you move on. I guarantee you the player will apologize and the pitching coach will reciprocate and apologize to the pitcher…. And you move on.
Coach needs to do better here. Pitcher is still just a kid at the end of the day, grabbing him like that isnt the play.
This looks the continuation of something with that player, with the way the coaches reacted.
Every day is an interview, scouts are watching and your baseball career can disappear in college or any level depending on your attitude. As you said, the player is busy with athletics and academics and the coaches jobs are statistics and scouting and everybody wants to win so check your attitudes.
Ok first that pitcher had some adrenaline going on, but those two coaches that put their hands on him should be suspended or fired, at no point are you or should put your hands on a student. They are the coaches and should have known better.
This is my hometown team. This may cause a big stink. There is more to this story. About 4 years ago the softball coach got fired for basically the same reason. It was a major story. Law enforcement got involved. This player holds the careers of these coaches. He could stir the pot if he chooses
Yeah that softball Coach was a piece of you know what. My daughters attended his so-called summer camp and he was a total jackass. I knew a few who played for him and he got off easy. The stories were horrible. My daughter got a full ride to South Alabama and that Coach was a bully too. One of the star players at South Alabama said it was the worst 4 years of her life playing there and urged my daughter to get out after her Freshman year. Not sure I could have done anything but I found out too late.
All I know is the greatest coach in NFL history never did this shit once.
If you think you need to put hands on your players as a coach you've already lost. The argument and your temper.
Showing the rest of the team this is okay is batshit. If im head of athletics department I might fire him. Suspend him undoubtedly.
The pitcher was wrong to vent in public, the coaches were wrong for grabbing the player, the pitch calling by coaches is mostly crap. This exposes how frustrating it can be having coaches call the pitches.
The old "everybody involved is both right and wrong at the same time" scenario...
But people are missing the facts.This is not a contact sport except for the baseball to the bat or the player going to home against a catcher...... Anytime someone put your hands-on you, that's assault.
And in this case it could be called assault & battery...... Imagine grocery shopping and 3 guys get on you and grab your chest..... how would you handle..... be a punk and let it go or fight back. You're asking a young adult to control their emotions when coming off the mound. What about the 3 adults that coach, these adults need to be adults and keep in check and keep their hands off players. This is not the 80s and the 90s. This is the year 2024.
Remember all the trouble that the coach for Indiana got into by putting his hands on a player. Bob Knight
If my last baseball coach had grabbed any of his players, he might have been suspended by the Peewee Division of the Little League.
Everyone was in the wrong, but what the hell coaches? It's a young kid who just gave up a lead in an important game, handle it better. If need be tell him, "do that again and your out". Not a fan of laying hands on another person for literally a game that in 10 years will not matter.
NO! FULL STOP
1. Almost impossible yto comment with YT incessant ads. (Sorry)
0 Problems with Coaches Calling pitches. But they are human and make mistakes.
2. Control Emotions! - The coachs are men AND professionals. They have much higher expectations to CONTROL EMOTIONS than a 20yo kid. IMO the kid failed but the coaches failed 10x worse.
3. Aggressive - You had 3 grown men, approach a 20 yo kid and ALL 3 put hands on him. This leads me me believe ALL 3 were sitting talking and fuming during the inning.
I understand a coach grabbing a kid by the shoulder and saying "you listen son". But that douche coach put his fist in his chest and tried to man handle him like he wanted to fight. That's BS. Then to make it worse the 2nd dbag jumps in with a cheap shot ribbing.
4. I understand coaches career riding on this, but let's not forget the kids career is also riding on this.
Ultimately, the responsibility to perform belongs to the man in the arena. Coaches should NEVER put hands on a kid like they are gonna fight.
IMO all 3 coaches should be severely reprimanded.
Kid pitched good game. Had one bad inning. Pitchers and Catchers should ALWAYS be allowed to call games, period. Managers should limit pitch calling. Its a 3-0 game and teams have big innings. It happens. Now the team from behind should get its big inning.
This pitcher’s coach might have just “Bobby Knight”ed himself by grabbing a fistful of jersey. The AD might be forced (politically) to address this issue as a physical violation.
Look all athletes have that alpha mentality or competitive mentality and ego because of being on TV in front of a bunch of fans. Well at least at the college level they should. So this is just a chill out grab and bring him back into focus. Plus you need to re-establish the pecking order of who’s the leader of the team. Once you allow this behavior to happen it could potentially open the door to all kinds of problems with players disrespecting the coaching staff. But it’s safe to say them Cajuns were definitely Ragin!! 😂
I agree this isn't really anything too egregious on anyone's part in the long run...but c'mon. The kid clearly had the stuff working - he struck out three. If the coach was calling pitches, he clearly called the wrong ones, because three runs came in anyway. The kid is right to be pissed. And sure, a calm, leisurely stroll back to the tunnel to talk everything out over herbal tea would have been The Way It Is Done...but hey, you're now down 6-3 after starting the frame tied - yeah, you're going to be hot, if you care about the game at all. Multiple coaches grabbing the kid by the jersey and jerking him around just reinforces to me that you don't have a clear idea how to handle your team or the game. It's a bad look - but not on the part of the pitcher.
Most important statement of this video. “You never show up your coach, especially when it is being televised.” You’ve just blackballed yourself, even if the coach is wrong and a total douche…
idk the shirt grav/shove by the pitching coach is a really bad look. Doesn't bode well for my opinion on college coaches and how they handle pitchers, they don't care about developing young arms, just winning. Probably also why there's not really a notable case of a college head coach going directly into a Major League Manager's role
I agree with your assessment. Flared up quick and died down quick. It happens when emotions are high. Love the D&D reference
He should be at the least suspended. You don't get to put your hands on someone. It's college baseball not basic training for the Army. All 3 coaches should be suspended with the manager / head coach suspended for extra time. No pay. They need to be taught a lesson and made an example of. You don't touch people that haven't touched you first.
Theyre supposed to be the grown ups in the situation and they acted like children.
I’m glad Dave Van Horn allows his guys to call their own game. It eliminates a lot of this stuff. But it puts a lot of work on the pitchers and catchers to know their stuff though.
This wouldve never happened under Coach Tony Robichaux rip
If the coach immediately grabs the player by the jersey on TV… this shit has happened many many many times before. You want to lay into a player by yelling at them. That is fair… but to grab a player that’s wrong… he’s a kid, the coach is an adult… BS
This just came to my feed I think the coaches should have told him to sit out and shut his mouth but they should not ever put a hand on him. He's a kid they're grown men act like grown men.
The only time I've ever seen a coach grab players for good reason in my opinion was a basketball game at my college there was a fight people squared off the coach literally grabbed three guys and pulled all three of them back. Number one he didn't want him to get in a fight and get hurt and two that's just going to hurt the team.
This I'm not a fan of. This is everything wrong with sports.
If you roll up in a grown man’s face cussing and showing him up you just might get a reaction you don’t like. It only took the player a few seconds to realize he had overstepped his bounds. I think you can also see nobody has ever stood up to him for acting this way and he was a little shocked by it.
I’m not taking up for the first coach to grab him because visually it didn’t look like that was called for. And the 2nd and 3rd coach seemed to be more in a break it up role.
People from different places … grabbing someone like that could elicit a reaction you don’t really want and then it’s the kids fault?? na bro …the old head need to control himself - if the youngen would have layed the paws on him …..
The young man was amped but the biggest mistake to me is the coach is putting his hands on the player. Wrong, you can't do that anymore they have to be more professional. The second coach appears to tell the first coach to let go but then he grabs him then the head coach jumps in. Regardless of situation it looks bad on the program should have sent him down the hall then confront the young man with professionalism. They are young men not kids they do make mistakes so do the coaches but hands on people now days will get your ass fired or sued! Bad for the progarm.
If any of the coaches on my Varsity Baseball team put his hands on me I'd sue. A lot of these Baseball coaches are Alphas and tend to be physically dominant with players. ⚾ But Pitchers can be arrogant and difficult at times.
I understand at times you would like to grab somebody’s shirt to get their attention but, this day and age cannot… no excuses. What is a little disturbing in this altercation is that every coach feels they need to go up and grab him and or shove him. This tells me it’s ingrained within the staff to physically grab/push others when they want. With that said… It is unprofessional to show disagreement in front of the whole team, whether it is one of your colleagues in front of the entire staff.
Here is a cautionary tale, kids.
If you want to call your own pitches, it's your responsibility to talk to these coaches, and find out what system they use, before you ever step foot on campus.
After that, you are choosing to use the system those coaches use, so dont complain afterwards.
Never show up your coach in any situation but also coach shouldn’t be grabbing any player for any reason I’m all for ass chewings but keep your hands to yourself !
While I agree it's not egregious, you can't grab players. Just can't do it. Pitching coach should be suspended a few days.
Putting hands on a player is never acceptable, and everything else that follows is bullshit!!
Yelling by the player is acceptable because the coach started the unacceptable behavior!!
When I pitch, I rarely shake off the catcher. Granted, it's franchise mode of MLB the Show, but still.
I mean..dont grab him. Now whatever your trying to argue.. is lost cause now its passed talking.
Thats not leadership.
Man, Even when i played D3 i called my games along with my Catcher. If i had a dictator telling me what to throw i wouldn't have played.
If the coaches are fucking up and can't take criticism then they need to find another profession. Being a dumbass doesn't excuse you from being called out.
Between men who are teammates in competition this is perfectly fine. Nothing was painful or violent this is just high emotion competition stuff. Anyone offended by this has never done something physically competitive at a high level in their life.
Just because you had shitty coaches who couldn't coach without being physically aggressive, doesn't mean this is the best way nor the only way to find success. Even at the highest levels of competition. Yelling, I understand. Physically grabbing someone isn't part of Baseball. Period. Read @hayfielddraw4364 's comment about the Marine Corps, great example of men training without needing to get physical.
you are wrong
@@mseriously911 It wasn’t grabbing someone’s neck or something. I wouldn’t grab someone’s shirt but what I said is it doesn’t offend me or get me all up in arms about it. People are so damn soft now this was a huge nothing burger, no one was ever in any danger and nothing violent happened. I see bigger confrontations during YMCA basketball.
Carlos zambro?
@@ChosenPlaysYTIts disrespectful! Its like saying" you wanna fight?"
High School, College and definitely not the major's should a coach be calling pitches. It's all about the feel of the game.
I think you cut out of the dumb and dumber clip to early .... harry choking Loyd .... "harry, your hands are cold"
Always those stupid coach gotta act like they know the game zzz that’s bs! He’s frustrated! Let him pitch!
Why’s he grabbing him … if the pitcher would have punched someone for that … then what …..all I see it don’t touch someone
What they taught that kid was that its okay to put your hands on someone if you're upset. Im torn tho. We need to teach masculine values to our young men. We don't want them soft. But we also need less brawls and handsiness in our sports - unless we are defending ourselves. We need to teach self control. I don't see that happening here.
i have no problem with what the coach grabing the kids shirt was absolutely nothing. people that think they need to fight over something like this are complete idiots. at the same time i wouldn't play for a coach that wanted to dictate 100 percent what I was throwing. these college players have been pitching for years at this point they have a good idea what their doing. their responsible for what ever happens . if the Coach doesn't like what hes doing he can pull him .